Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Do we throw up our hands or do we roll up our sleeves? (hint, door #2)

Come on, man.

No Kings: Americans standing in the way of bad history saying “Oh, Fuck No!”

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

I swear, each month of 2025 will have its own history degree.

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

At some point, the ability to learn is a factor of character, not IQ.

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

Hey hey, RFK, how many kids did you kill today?

Republicans cannot even be trusted with their own money.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

So many bastards, so little time.

“Until such time as the world ends, we will act as though it intends to spin on.”

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

Since we are repeating ourselves, let me just say fuck that.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

“Can i answer the question? No you can not!”

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

Books are my comfort food!

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  1. 1.

    RaflW

    Footie biggie.* Or maybe just multiple pressure relief points?

    *I have completely lost my mind with anxiety.

  2. 2.

    ArchTeryx

    So much big footing going on here you’d think I brought my 400 foot tall otterwhale Sylia onto the blog.

    I’m on 30 mg of THC. I won’t be feeling any anxiety until tomorrow. yay.

  10. 10.

    cmorenc

    Suggest you all avoid steve bernacki (msnbc) micro-statisting slight edge here vs deficit there analysis – you will go alternating nuts swinging from optimism to pessimism and be a nervous wreck with nothing to show for it.  Wait till tomorrow am when much more of actual vote has come in across the land bf you get excited or depressed for bona fide reason.

  11. 11.

    Ohio Mom

    @CliosFanBoy: There is often more than one chemo option, if one doesn’t work, it’s on to another.

    I’m just trying to be be calm(er)

    ETA: Also, they don’t make announcements like that over the phone. You have to go in and probably wait and wait, because in my experience, oncs are behind schedule a lot.

    But I get the anxiety analogy.

  13. 13.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    Our 2 neighbors are over and we’re watching msnbc.  I have an ear bud in watching the Sabres game on my Mac.  Nursing  a Hayburner IPA.  Naseuously optimistic as I’ve seen some write.

  14. 14.

    Yarrow

    @YY_Sima Qian: Dems can’t hold the House because it’s R majority now. They have to win it back. Doesn’t mean anything for the presidential race except possibly a good sign.

  15. 15.

    YY_Sima Qian

    While we eagerly/dreadfully await the results, I think below is a good assessment of where the US is as a polity (emphasis mine):

    Robert E Kelly
    @Robert_E_Kelly

    Final Thread on the Election

    1. Prediction: Harris will win bc of an enormous gender gap due to Dobbs & the generalized air of misogyny around the late Trump campaign

    2. The failure of US elite institutions to keep T out of politics has been shocking & systemic: the press, Congressional Republicans, the courts, the biz community, conservatives on SCOTUS. America is far more vulnerable to an Orbanist, semi-authoritarian takeover than we thought.

    3. That elite failure reflects our staggering public failure. It is shocking that so many Americans want Trump back in power. This campaign is ending w/ a nat’l debate on whether T is a fascist (!!), yet he will still take at least 46% of the vote. 1/3 of Americans have fallen into what’s basically a cult, and it’s not clear how to pull them out. The rest of T’s voters seem unmoved by the endless drumbeat of T scandal and misbehavior, which is similarly inexplicable given the comparatively minor scandals which previously brought down US politicians.

    4. The Electoral College has become a threat to US political stability. The EC’s ability to let a candidate lose but still win is the obvious reason to eliminate it, but almost as bad is how it permits the GOP to avoid electoral pressure to mature & moderate. The GOP cannot win a majority of US voters in a straight race anymore. That has been the case for almost 20 years. The pressure of regular defeat wd encourage moderation, but the EC blunts that, keeping the GOP more radicalized than it wd otherwise be.

    5. Right-wing media has become a massively toxic force in America. The right’s ‘hack gap’ is no insight at this point, but a left-wing version of T (RFK, Jr.) is almost impossible given the less coordinated, more intellectually honest punditry on the left. RW media, by contrast, is lost in wild conspiracy theories and grifting, which perfectly fits T’s own ‘paranoid style.’

    6. Trumpists have created a fantasy version of the US left as a massive, powerful nat’l threat (antifa!) to justify radical, ‘postliberal’ action. Trumpist extremism (the ‘Flight 93 election,’ Jan 6) is ostensibly necessary, bc woke liberals dominate American institutions – Hollywood, the media, academia and so on. But conservatives dominate other institutions – overrepresentation in the Senate, EC, & SCOTUS; gerrymandered state assemblies; the biz community; a huge, highly coordinated media & entertainment universe; a large network of churches & home-schooling. It’s hardly as dire Trumpists say

    7. Trump will not fade away. People keep saying this is T’s last election, but I don’t buy it. He will dominate the GOP until his death, if only for the grift & to try to stay out of prison by claiming he is the leader of a major US political movement. And if T is is even reasonably coherent in 2028 (& not in jail), he will run again

    8. Trump will die eventually, but Trumpism will not. Obviously T himself will pass, but he has so re-made the GOP in his own image that a trumpized GOP will persist. A lot of conservatives want to pretend that the GOP’s trumpist turn is a one-off, traceable to T alone, & that the Reaganite GOP will return when T is gone. This is highly unlikely. T is the apotheosis of RW media trends going back to Limbaugh at least. He is what the GOP base has been groomed to want for decades now. The trends which created T won’t go away w/ his death. Another, likely Vance, will pick up the trumpist mantle. Trumpism will be with us for decades

    NB: I worked the GOP back in the day. Please don’t tell me that I am just another liberal academic saying all this

  16. 16.

    billcoop4

    @cmorenc:Suggest you all avoid steve bernacki (msnbc) micro-statisting slight edge here vs deficit there analysis – you will go alternating nuts swinging from optimism to pessimism and be a nervous wreck with nothing to show for it.  Wait till tomorrow am when much more of actual vote has come in across the land bf you get excited or depressed for bona fide reason.

     

    Remarkably illiterate. WFT are you going on about? This is Trumpian word salad, not to insult salad.

     

    BC

  17. 17.

    YY_Sima Qian

    @Yarrow: Oops, you are right, of course. I guess I have been unconsciously trying to blot out the last 2 years of R-majority House from my mind.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    I just added an Election Resources section in the sidebar – just above recent comments.

    Let me know if there are other good resources to add.

  23. 23.

    Nelle

    I’m winding yarn, organizing my yarn stash.  Listening to podcasts on Jane Austen novels.

    This afternoon, got an urgent call because two folks had shown up to vote at the nearest polling station, one they could walk to, only to be told that they had to vote at one that was an hour’s walk away.  They don’t have a car.  So I picked them up and took them to the other place.  On the way, I realized that they both have some learning disabilities.  But they talked about what they wanted for their country and were clear about who they wanted as a leader.  Someone nice, not mean.  They both have jobs and pay taxes.  They asked if I could help them with their ballots and I agreed , with an okay from the poll workers.  I knew the regs on it as my husband, a poll worker elsewhere had been reviewing them yesterday. A disabled person can request help.

    I did not tell them how to vote, but helped them with instructions and told them they could leave some blank. If they wanted.  They were so happy to have voted.  They made more intelligent choices than a lot of my fellow Americans are making today.  Then I took them home, just as a cold rain was starting.

  27. 27.

    Chet Murthy

    @cmorenc: Haha, OK, so all I’ll say about this, is that you’re right, and Kornacki’s style was parodied by The Onion of all places.  I don’t plan to watch a -minute- of his  coverage, for precisely the reasons you adduce.

    Life’s to short to  zoom in on some undecided voter’s undershorts to see where the skidmarks are and what they portend for the Presidential election!

  28. 28.

    Percysowner

     

    I keep coming here. I want to know, but I’m afraid to know. I think I’m getting a nice stiff drink. Maybe even two.

  29. 29.

    Jeffro

    @YY_Sima Qian: hard to argue with any of that (most of which has been noted and discussed here & elsewhere quite a bit over the years, but still) – thank you.

    it’s long past time to address these issues – we can’t go on with every election being “the end of democracy?”  We’ll crap out eventually

  34. 34.

    Chet Murthy

    @Nelle:Wow, thank you so much for relating  this story!  We’re all in this together, and you helped some people join in.  It’s a great thing you did!

  37. 37.

    3Sice

    kos:

    The big news at the top of this hour is Hamilton County, Indiana. This suburban Indianapolis county went Trump 52-45 in 2020. Harris leads it by 1-point, with 65% of the vote in. If we see an 8-point swing in suburban America, it’s not going to be particularly close

  38. 38.

    Yarrow

    @Jeffro:

    it’s long past time to address these issues – we can’t go on with every election being “the end of democracy?” We’ll crap out eventually

    I just had this discussion with someone today. This person is in the LGBTQ+ community and feels completely at risk every four years when elections roll around. Of course the TFG era was a horror show for them. They said they can’t go on like this. We really have to fix this somehow.

  44. 44.

    Marleedog

    Polls in many places in the East will be closing in a few minutes, and the analysts will release some kind of results,  and I think that we will soon have a better sense of where things are headed. MD Senate and NY Congressional results for example will be a kind of telltale.

  45. 45.

    Scout211

    Nice roundup AL!

    Charlie Kirk worried?  Awwww.  Poor guy.  He worked so hard to fire up the dude bros and insult all the women.  What happened Charlie? It’s a mystery.

  50. 50.

    Kirk

    What keeps me on tenterhooks is this:

    America has shown it can overcome racism – see Obama.

    America has not yet shown it can overcome misogyny.

  51. 51.

    cmorenc

    @billcoop4: don’t be such a pedantic twit – i am posting from a cell phone where editing is hard, and if you are unable to understand my point, just move on.  Everyone’s nerves are in hard edge without you firing verbal pot shots at folks who are presumably on the same team.  I did accidentally misspell steve’s last name with a b instead of k.

  52. 52.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @3Sice: TPM said Boone County in Indiana swung about 8 points closer to Blue from 2020 with 91% of the vote in. Sounds like turnout is through the roof in Philly and Michigan.

  56. 56.

    citizen dave

    @3Sice: This is my county, these are my votes.  I would guess that the large cities (100K+) of Fishers and Carmel are reporting faster than the Trumpier northern parts of the counties.  Biden won Fishers and Carmel in 2020, I believe, barely.

  63. 63.

    kwAwk

    NBC News has declared that the state of Mississippi is Too Close to Call.   FFS I could have called the state of Mississippi 2 years ago.   Seriously?

  66. 66.

    stinger

    @Ohio Mom:

    they don’t make announcements like that over the phone

    Um, I wish that were true. My PA gave me the results of my biopsy (not good) over the phone. I told her I was waiting at the grocery store pharmacy counter for a COVID booster. That didn’t stop her.

    Luckily, I’d already figured it out over the weekend via the internet, so it wasn’t a shock.

  69. 69.

    YY_Sima Qian

    @Jeffro: Yeah, I thought it was a succinct summary. This election is a rear guard action that has to be fought & won, but also just a rear guard action nonetheless.

  73. 73.

    Dan B

    @Yarrow: I will second the feeling of risk but tempered by having lived through the Lavender Scare and AIDS I believe that there are more allies and acceptance will be difficult to stifle.  Ugly years and suffering may increase but it’s unlikely to overwhelm.  Famous last words if Trump gets in with Heritage and Christianists.

  74. 74.

    Lem365

    @Percysowner: I am right there with you. I know I’d be better off just going to bed and seeing what it looks like in the morning, but here I am. Going to be a long night.

  87. 87.

    Jeffro

    @Yarrow: I think we’d better take our 3-4 best shots and go full bore.  “We can’t deliver for you, America, unless we can make your voice heard against all these headwinds.  Here’s our 3-point plan…”

    – SCOTUS expansion

    – much higher taxes on the wealthy

    – double the House

    – codify Roe

    ?

    I dunno but let’s pick a few and get going before it’s too late.

  88. 88.

    dr. bloor

    @Baud: One suspects that Mother Nature will have a more influential impact going forward than anything we mortals can conjure.

  90. 90.

    bbleh

    As a hardcore junkie, I’m very likely soon gonna tune out ’til tomorrow.  IMO the ONLY significant signals we’re likely to get tonight are if it’s a TRUE blowout, like not “particular district in X shifts 5 points” but “Iowa too close to call.”  In THAT case, I’ll be sorry to miss it.  But I think FAR more likely we will have hints and what look like trends and some thrilling data here and scary ones there, and an awful lot of STRESS, and … I will leave that to those more fit than I.  I remain guardedly optimistic.

    Allez les Bleus!

    @kwAwk: wait … WHAT?!?  Oh ffs.  Helm! — belay that last!

  92. 92.

    Ken

    @YY_Sima Qian: I guess I have been unconsciously trying to blot out the last 2 years of R-majority House from my mind.

    In fairness to you, it’s not like they did anything.

  96. 96.

    Citizen Alan

    @kwAwk: It’s the AA population. As I mentioned in an earlier thread, Obama needed 15% of the white vote in 2008 to win Mississippi because of the massive turnout in black voters. He only got 11%, but if there are enough white Mississippians who have had enough of the Talibangelicals, it’s not impossible for Kamala to pull off a miracle. But it would take a miracle.

    EDIT: And I see she did not pull off a miracle.

  99. 99.

    Poe Larity

    Happy B-day!

     

    Not sure Trump dead-enders are a bad thing. They’ll last longer than W’s did, but nobody remembers him now. I think a generation is going to die out and drag the Republican primaries down. It will be a Jan. 6th crowd with walkers. That will be bad for those in red districts, but a lot of purples could get bluer.

    At the POTUS level, I think we’re in for more Perot/Nader/RFK Jr. types. Pseudo-populists who want to spoil it. They will be the problem.

  107. 107.

    Quinerly

    Unpopular opinion…I like Kornaki with his maps. Especially the comparisons 2024 vs 2020.

    Numbers looking good for GA and NC.

  108. 108.

    Yarrow

    @Jay:  Also, if you look at the screenshot of what he was googling it shows Harrisvotes.com, which is the voting website for Harris County, the largest county in Texas and where Houston is. He must be using a VPN located in or near there.

  110. 110.

    realbtl

    Holee shit I just looked at the Four Directions fundraiser- almost $32k in no time. Thanks again from MT.

  111. 111.

    Shalimar

    @Baud: Florida will change significantly over the next 10 years as people have to deal with the loss of flood insurance and Republican unwillingness to even address the issue.  We’re probably screwed for the next 2-4 years, but who knows what population and voter attitudes will be after that.  It is very possible there will be massive emigration from the state.

  112. 112.

    Chris

    @YY_Sima Qian:

    I don’t think we learned nearly as much about right wing media toxicity as we have about mainstream media toxicity. We now know that even in the face of actual-factual fascism, the MSM will never, ever, dump its commitment to a “both sides do it but liberals are worse” worldview, that it will in some cases bend over even further to accommodate the fascist than it ever would have a regular Republican, and work harder than it ever has before to undermine Democratic presidents, and that since the only alternative to it is the Newscorpverse. And since the public still hasn’t woken up to that reality like they finally have for, say, the courts, their ability to sow chaos in the cause of fascism is enormous.

  117. 117.

    khead

    @Baud:

    Yeah… I thought I read something earlier that said about the only good sign from Florida would be if it takes longer than 5 minutes to call it.

    Narrator:  It took less than 5 minutes!

  118. 118.

    UncleEbeneezer

    I vowed not to check in on the election, but waiting to start work I gave in.  I’m seeing lots of teenage girls with I Voted stickers here in Arcadia, CA, which I think is a good sign.  I don’t remember seeing them in 2016 and 2020 we were still under Covid restrictions so I wasn’t working then.

    Fucking Florida…(no offense, Betty)

  119. 119.

    Leto

    @Quinerly: Lehigh University, Bethlehem PA, has 6 hour lines. The President of the university was in line with students for four hours, and still had about two to go. Said all the students were super excited, motivated, and determined to vote. Harris campaign sent Paul Rudd from Temple to Lehigh to rally them on.

  123. 123.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @lamh47:

    You certainly lucked this year by having the opportunity to see Kamala Harris make history on your birthday. Savor every minute of this evening!

  127. 127.

    Kristine

    @WaterGirl:

    The response to Four Directions today really blew me away. $20k in the first hour, and now we’re early at $32,000.

    If Tester retains his seat, BJ support will have played a huge part and I am in awe of the fact that a politics and pets blog has morphed into a powerhouse.

    You have so much to be proud of, WaterGirl.

  129. 129.

    billcoop4

    @cmorenc:@billcoop4: don’t be such a pedantic twit – i am posting from a cell phone where editing is hard, and if you are unable to understand my point, just move on.  Everyone’s nerves are in hard edge without you firing verbal pot shots at folks who are presumably on the same team.  I did accidentally misspell steve’s last name with a b instead of k.

    Then don’t post until you’re able to be coherent. Your post made no sense whatsover.

    BC

  130. 130.

    Jeffro

    @YY_Sima Qian: I’m good with both?  Right now each Rep has something like 20x the number of constituents they had at the start of the country…and something like 10x what they had as recently as WWII?

  132. 132.

    Quinerly

    @Yarrow: I am watching Kornacki and his maps. The comparisons he is doing in counties from 2020 vs 2024. It does not appear she has fallen behind where Biden was in 2020 in GA.

  135. 135.

    Eolirin

    @billcoop4: The reading comprehension problem is yours then. What they were saying was perfectly understandable; following Kornacki will result in nervous making swings from optimism to pessimism, and you’re better off ignoring things until we have actual results.

  137. 137.

    Danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    Do I need to be? Just a whole lotta anxiety and a long work day. Only thing that was good was being in and out of polling station in ten minutes and I just got done with work twenty minutes ago. Now I can take some therapeutic measures.

    But – sometimes empathy is a curse. I’ll be mostly okay no matter who wins, but I fear for a lot of people who won’t. It would be a lot easier if I was a cold hearted sonofabitch, i.e. a Republican.

  139. 139.

    Leto

    @YY_Sima Qian: @Baud: something Chris Hayes mentioned regarding FL: ton of MAGAts have moved there from more northern battleground states. Basically cementing FL as MAGA universe HQ. That’s good for us, overall, as it’s diluted their vote by taking them out of swing states and packed them into just one place. At least that’s his hypothesis. Could be true, idk.

  140. 140.

    LAC

    Florida has rejected the a right to an abortion – again, tell me about the millions of activists that are working to change this state. Damn it…

  141. 141.

    dr. bloor

    Oh, Thank Dog.  Whitehouse can keep up the good work, and Patricia Morgan can go back to thinking whatever it is she thinks in quiet irrelevance.

  146. 146.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    They also serve who only stand and wait.

    Thanks everyone for not giving in to the doom & gloom.

  147. 147.

    The Red Pen

    I’m watching the livestream from the Internet Today livestream. They promised that they had put together a bunch of material from the crazy campaign. They started with the story about Desantis eating pudding with his fingers. No obsessive reloading of stats, funny commentary, and now one guy has his dog on.

    I think it’s the best watch party for me.

  150. 150.

    WaterGirl

    @Danielx: Well, I read that and wondered if we had lost a key state or something.  That’s why I asked.  I am not watching the TV shows  so I am getting my results here

    Anxiety sucks.

  153. 153.

    Citizen Alan

    @LAC: I thank God every day that I was not offered that job in Tallahassee. Because at that moment in my life I was so terrified of unemployment that I’d have taken it and been utterly miserable.

  154. 154.

    Quinerly

    @Leto: I am  looking forward to him to get really micro on Eastern NC…where I am originally from….huge Black population there. That’s where Obama won the state in 2008. Looks like Harris is over performing Biden in the traditionally Blue areas of NC. This is where every vote counts, for sure.

    Trump was in Kinston over the weekend. Eastern NC. 10 miles from where I grew up.

  156. 156.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    Thanks, but I think I’ll self-medicate and spend the evening finding every video on YouTube featuring The Warning. It’ll all still be here tomorrow.

  157. 157.

    Danielx

    @WaterGirl:

    Just venting, better than going outside and screaming YOU INCREDIBLE DUMB FUCKS at my neighbors. I live in Indiana and bigod it gets old sometimes.

  160. 160.

    Juju

    @WaterGirl: Musk posted something about how he could only find polling places when he googled polling places for Harris, but not when he googled places to vote for Trump. I guess he didn’t realize that Harris made voting information available to voters, Trump didn’t and they vote in the same places.

  161. 161.

    Yarrow

    This seems not great.

    MASSIVE WARNING BELL FOR HARRIS:

    Loudoun County, VA (91% in):
    2020: Biden+25
    2024: Harris+17
    8% swing right atm in VERY educated suburb— Ethan C7 (@ECaliberSeven) November 6, 2024

  163. 163.

    Jeffro

    OT thought: Dems should make a major ‘rally America’ push to punish Russia for calling in bomb threats to American polling locations in GA

    Put the GOP on the spot…punish a hostile foreign power…what’s not to love?

  174. 174.

    Shalimar

    @Quinerly: I turned off MSNBC because Kornacki was choosing a couple of Georgia counties where Harris was 3-10 points behind Biden.  If his later choices were better for us, that is good.

  175. 175.

    Gin & Tonic

    @dr. bloor: ​
    Looking at the overall results, Sheldon outperformed Kamala fairly substantially. Doesn’t give me a good feeling when she can only get 51% in a traditionally blue state.

  182. 182.

    Chet Murthy

    @billcoop4: I must demur.  @cmorenc: ‘s comment made perfect sense.  Sure, there were misspellings and shorthands (as is common when people post from a phone).  But it was perfectly comprehensible, and I agreed with everything they said.  C’mon: I’m 60 and I understood it all.

  184. 184.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Yarrow:

    This person is in the LGBTQ+ community and feels completely at risk every four years when elections roll around.

    Absolutely true. Lot of talk among my fellow trans people about how we might need to flee the country if Trump wins.

    More than 100 Republicans across the country run on anti-trans platforms, and spent nearly $215 million on ads demonizing trans people, who are 0.5% of the U.S. population.

  190. 190.

    Yarrow

    @Shalimar:  Every time I look I see the same sort of thing. Harris underperforming Biden in this county or that county.  I want some of what Quinnerly is seeing because I’m not seeing it.

  191. 191.

    bbleh

    @Soprano2: oh, well, see, right there’s your problem! Those Assemblies of God, well, they sway easy, y’know what I’m sayin’?  Pretty soon one part comes loose, then another, and then the whole thing starts fallin’ apart!

    Now I’m not sayin’ those Satan Assemblies are any better, tho they sure are sparkly and fun!  But my money’s on Secular Humanist Engines, y’know?  Boring maybe, make a lotta grinding noises, but they just keep chugging along somehow…

  194. 194.

    Chet Murthy

    @suzanne: You and Mr. Suzanne have done everything you could.  It’s out of our hands.  We just have to wait.  It’s awful, but try to be calm: you’ve done everything you could.  That is what matters.

  196. 196.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    Post

    Sam Shirazi  @samshirazim

    2 notes of Loudoun

    It has a decent Muslim population and Stein is getting 2% here

    There are also additional mail ballots and same-day registrations that won’t be counted tonight

    There might be a swing, but don’t know final number and wouldn’t read too much into other states

  198. 198.

    Torrey

    @Nelle:

      Thank you for posting this story. Just got back from being out for a few hours and, against my better judgment, thought I’d check in on the election doings via BJ. Saw your post. Made my evening. A reminder not to forget the little points of joy. So glad you were there for these folks.

  200. 200.

    Leto

    @Quinerly: he just threw up our county, Berks in PA. So far 1% in, about 2200, out of 275k, votes so far. We’re part of that early mail in tabulation. He’s wanting to see how the Latino response is here, because Reading has a huge Puerto Rico population. Me too bud, me too.

    esit: fuckstick was here yesterday for one of his last klan rallies. My university sent out emails warning students of it, and the accompanying traffic.

  201. 201.

    bbleh

    @Yarrow: @Sister Golden Bear: ditto all the above.  FFS I and others are now doing our careful diligence about buying, storing, and practicing regularly with firearms.  Which is not to say we haven’t used them but we never thought we might need to own them for defense!  To what has a country come when we’re arming ourselves against the economically privileged ethnic majority?  Like WTF is their problem?

    Sigh.  Should just go to sleep.

  202. 202.

    Eolirin

    @Omnes Omnibus: If only all the people voting yes on that amendment had voted for candidates who would have passed laws protecting abortion, we would have taken the state and the senate seat, and they wouldn’t have needed to meet the 60% threshold.

    :(

  204. 204.

    Seanly

    Just going to play on the Xbox a bit and avoid coverage. I like the term nauseously optimistic…

  206. 206.

    frosty

    @suzanne: I’m not OK either. Reading “Trump is overperforming in rural areas from 2020 …” THAT’S MOST OF PENNSYLVANIA!!” The reason Fetterman won is that he made the rural areas slightly more blue. Dammittohell!

    Deep breath. Time to make another Old Fashioned and maybe go practice harmonica for awhile.

  207. 207.

    Soprano2

    @Sister Golden Bear: They tried to defeat the amendment that restores abortion rights in MO by saying it meant children could get sex change surgeries (it doesn’t do that). It’s the go-to for fear mongering here.

  210. 210.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    At the beginning of the broadcast, the pollster for the Lincoln Project said: “Tonight, don’t look at any single data point, rather look at a group of 20 data points.  If you only look at 1 then you’re cherry picking.”

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    LAC

    @Omnes Omnibus: And you are tone policing me because I am very troubled by another state going backwards on abortion rights. We have been hearing about that old saw about this state moving forward for years.

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    MagdaInBlack

    @Quinerly: Ya, I just made the mistake of looking at some of those very same exit polls and my stomach flipped. Won’t make that mistake again. I’ll wait.

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    Leto

    @frosty: I’m remembering that all of the early totals we’re seeing are the initial dump of the mail-in results. Reading had about 2200 mail-ins reported so far, out of 275k total potential votes. Remembering that in person voting was heavier this year, so just patiently waiting and not stressing out. I know the kids at Lehigh University are still in line. The lady on MSNBC was apparently in Reading this weekend, knocking on doors, and the people were fired up to vote, especially the youth. So, just breath :)

  223. 223.

    bbleh

    @suzanne: the Old Ones knew of this, and they had a Way for it.  It was called Al-Ko-Ho.  I partake of it regularly, and it is good

    @frosty: @frosty: @suzanne: (also, let us remember that mail-ins almost certainly have not yet been reported in any volume due to PA law, so PA is vulnerable to “red mirage.”)

  224. 224.

    Wave Function Collapse

    @Leto:

    An anecdatum to back that up: A long term neighbor and police officer here in a moderately blue part of WA moved to Fla a couple of years ago. Before moving he gave reasons that sounded like they came straight out of a Trump rally.

  228. 228.

    YY_Sima Qian

    @Chris: MSM is corporate these days, & they represent elite, establishment, corporate interests. Just like the interests they represent, they are not really that averse to illiberalism & authoritarianism, as long as it does not directly affect them.

  230. 230.

    Betty

    No matter the final outcome, seeing Trump get so many votes is downright discouraging.  The Florida failure on the abortion vote is disgusting. Women are dying.

  235. 235.

    Leto

    @Betty: raising the voting threshold to 60% is why Puddin’ Boots did that. The entire South is essentially a healthcare desert.

  246. 246.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @YY_Sima Qian:Well the corporate MSM true calling to sell advertising time. That was pretty obvious when I was watching CNN at dinner tonight, a lot of flashy colors and motion but little understandable information.

  247. 247.

    Chris

    @Quinerly:

    I was living there in 2015 and had a coworker die from lack of health insurance, Medicaid’s expansion having been rejected. Pretty much cured me of ever wanting to live there again.

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    Leto

    @Quinerly: it took my parents a while to understand this, in relation to SC. I’d love to be closer to them, but we’re never going back. At least not to live permanently.

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    Doc Sardonic

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hey, I live in Florida, in my voting lifetime I have watched it go from a blue state to red state shit hole. So yes, Florida, may never come close to purple again, when the Hispanic blocks in Broward and Dade flipped, that was the ball game. Unless the Democratic Party can figure out that problem, and it’s a complex one, any talk of Florida flipping is either a grift or a fever dream.

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    japa21

    I would like to point out that in 2016, everybody here had already given up because it was that clear HRC wasn’t going to win.  That isn’t the case here.  I refuse to panic.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    @Subsole: Where do you see that?  Milwaukee County is having to recount 30000 early ballots.  I am not expecting a call until late.

  262. 262.

    Chris

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Oh, that’s good. I’d have been fucking furious if the reason we lost the Senate was because we, despite being one of the bluest states in the Union, chose the worst possibly moment to misplace our brains.

  263. 263.

    Betsy

    @Nelle: That is wonderful.

    As an aside — I feel you.  On this night in 2016, I took to my bed early, availing myself of a Valium and Pride & Prejudice.  

    .

  264. 264.

    Citizen Alan

    @Leto: I refuse to live in any Southern state under any circumstances. If the unthinkable happens, I’m not even going back for Christmas. I will hire a lawyer long distance to force my sister to partition our property and sell my half.

  265. 265.

    Subsole

    I know it is discouraging and nerve-wracking folks. My hands are trembling as I type.

    But we always knew it was going to be a knife fight. We always knew it would be hard. Breathe. If you need to, step away. Marshall your strength and be patient.

    We have done what we can. The rest is yet to be seen.

  266. 266.

    Quinerly

    @Leto: I stepped away from Kornacki and his maps. Looks like rural Blacks in NC and GA are not coming out for Harris. Am I right?

  267. 267.

    Torrey

    @cmorenc: ​
      If there’s a problem with understanding a post, I’m likely to have it. (‘Tis the cursed “editor’s eye.”) Yours was perfectly understandable. You can, I think, safely ignore the person with the not-hitherto-seen-here-(at-least-by-me)-nym. The other responses indicate that the regulars have your back. Also, you made a good point. (Although I’m having a little trouble getting the “alternating nuts swinging” image out of my brain.)

  274. 274.

    Leto

    Apparently new bomb threats in multiple states, including PA. Shapiro says these are “non-credible.” FBI is attributing them to Russia.

  276. 276.

    Quinerly

    @Citizen Alan:

    I am pretty much done with the South/NC myself. Sold my Eastern NC farm land that had been in my family since late 1700’s in August. Oddly, I sold it to a family from Idaho. Trumpers. Thought I would feel funny about it. Haven’t looked back.

  281. 281.

    Quinerly

    @frosty:

    I am in AZ most of Dec. Bisbee area, Tubac, Tucson, Winslow, Flag. Decided to skip Phoenix.

    Home in Santa Fe Jan. Maybe Death Valley sometime in February.

    Let’s get together when you are here.

  282. 282.

    Betsy

    @billcoop4:  that’s full of baloney.  I understood the post perfectly.

    Maybe you’re tired from working the polls all day, and words are too much right now.

  284. 284.

    Leto

    @Citizen Alan: one of the things that helps is that PA doesn’t tax my retirement/disability income. SC won’t tax the first $10k, but then factor in everything else, including house prices have nearly tripled, and just… no. PA has so much natural beauty, and great little towns, we’re not far from Philly, close to NYC and other good places, and there’s just no reason to look south. On top of climate change making the South even more unbearable.

    But my parents were born, and will die, there. We’ve all made our piece with it, and I know where all the important documents are. So…

  288. 288.

    Percysowner

    I’m getting another gin and tonic, then heading to read in bed. Worrying won’t change the votes and I can’t take the tension. God go with those of you who can ride this out.

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    Geminid

    @WaterGirl: Yes, Ben Cardin is retiring and Alsobrooks will take his place. At age 52, she happens to be 28 years younger than Cardin. Andy Kim, Elissa Slotkin and Lisa Blunt Rochester are also much younger than the Senators they will replace..

    Angela Alsobrooks will bring valuable experience to the Senate. She’s been County Executive of Prince George’s County for 6 years now, managing a county of over 900,000 people. Before that, Alsobrooks served two terms as county prosecutor. Those are challenging jobs and I expect she learned a lot workng them.

  295. 295.

    NotMax

    @Citizen Alan

    The citizens of the cotton States, as a whole, are poor. They work little, and that little, badly; they earn little, they sell little; they buy little, and they have little – very little – of the common comforts and consolations of civilized life. Their destitution is not material only; it is intellectual and it is moral … They were neither generous nor hospitable and their talk was not that of evenly courageous men.
    – Frederick Law Olmstead
    .

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    Torrey

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Alsobrooks wins

      Thank goodness! Much relieved. There was some organization running truly horrific ads against her. (On the other hand, Trump helped on the side of the good guys, for once, by endorsing Hogan, which Hogan emphatically DID NOT WANT. But it allowed MD Dems to put up billboards announcing “Trump Endorsed Hogan.” So, uh, thanks, Donald?)

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