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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Open Thread: PEPFAR No Longer on the GOP Chopping Block

Open Thread: PEPFAR No Longer on the GOP Chopping Block

by Anne Laurie|  July 16, 20251:09 pm| 72 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Healthcare, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, Show Us on the Doll Where the Invisible Hand Touched You, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It)

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Some really great news: funding for PEPFAR–about $400M for the global fight against HIV and AIDS–has been restored. Millions of lives will be saved.
www.politico.com/live-updates…

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— Charlotte Clymer (@charlotteclymer.bsky.social) July 15, 2025 at 5:06 PM

Good news, if we can keep it, per Politico, last night:

Senate Republicans will scale back the White House’s $9.4 billion spending clawback request as they look to shore up their vote count.

Sen. Eric Schmitt (R-Mo.), who is leading the rescissions effort in concert with the White House, said Republicans will remove a $400 million cut to the global AIDS program known as PEPFAR, bringing the total amount of cuts in the package down to $9 billion.

Senate Majority Leader John Thune said there was a “lot of interest” among Senate Republicans to address the cut to the program created under President George W. Bush and credited with saving tens of millions of lives…

In addition to preserving the PEPFAR funding, the revisions will include language to “protect” programs related to maternal health, malaria, tuberculosis and nutrition. The substitute negotiated by Schmitt and others will also explicitly state food aid will not be touched as part of the package. Those provisions will not change the new $9 billion topline, a person granted anonymity to disclose the private talks said…

A number of GOP senators, including Appropriations Chair Susan Collins of Maine, had raised concerns about the AIDS funding cuts. It’s not clear whether the $400 million rollback will be enough to secure her vote but it might placate enough Republicans to eke the package through the Senate…

The Senate is scheduled to start voting on the rescissions package Tuesday afternoon. Schmitt said he expected the changes to be reflected in a final “wraparound” amendment offered during a marathon series of votes expected Wednesday.

Any changes to the Senate product will necessitate another House vote ahead of a Friday deadline for action on the request.

Ed Kilgore, at Nymag:

… Shorn of the false accusation, PEPFAR, a legacy initiative of George W. Bush, stands as a testament to the compassionate conservatism the 43rd president always claimed to champion. Aside from Vought’s smear, the main problem with PEPFAR in MAGA eyes is apparently that it represents “foreign aid,” albeit an especially successful and universally admired form of foreign aid that notably helped African nations cope with the deadly AIDS epidemic. And to be clear, other foreign-aid cuts (including those first imposed by DOGE in its assault on the U.S. Agency for International Development) remain in the rescission package, along with the speedy termination of subsidies for public broadcasting. But PEPFAR will survive for now.

Assuming the rescission package does make it out of the Senate, the House will have to approve the amended version. Perhaps some fiscal hard-liners will object to the slightly reduced size of the cuts, and possibly some anti-abortion ultras still believe Vought’s apparent whopper about PEPFAR and Russian abortions. But House Republicans will probably go along and leave the job of driving final nails into the coffin of the United States’s proud foreign-aid tradition for another occasion.

Comes as the NYT caught him cold in a lie about PEPFAR — www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/h…

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— City Nolan (@ndhapple.bsky.social) July 15, 2025 at 2:29 PM

When they’re not lying, they have nothing at all…

It was a startling, almost unbelievable, allegation. It turned out to be untrue.

On June 25, Russell Vought, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, told a Senate committee that the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, known as PEPFAR, had spent $9.3 million “to advise Russian doctors on how to perform abortions and gender analysis.”…

PEPFAR has not operated in Russia since 2012, when President Vladimir Putin kicked the United States Agency for International Development out of the country. U.S. law prohibits the use of any federal funds to pay for abortions. Funding abortions through PEPFAR would imply not just waste, but serious crimes or negligence, or both…

A talking points memo to the Senate committee named a particular organization, JSI Research & Training Institute, that supposedly oversaw the work on abortions in Russia. In an email exchange with The New York Times, Rachel Cauley, the communications director for the O.M.B., said that a subcontractor for JSI, called MSI Reproductive Choices, used the funds for online booking services for abortions and for a hotline that taught Russians to perform their own abortions.

Both MSI and JSI said that was false.

Multiple government databases confirm that the grant was funded by other programs within U.S.A.I.D. — not PEPFAR — and that it was used for work to strengthen health care in Ethiopia, not for abortions in Russia. The grant was terminated in April…

Ms. Cauley, the spokeswoman for the O.M.B., insisted that PEPFAR had administered the grant, and did not respond to repeated requests to provide evidence of her assertions about the program or about the two organizations…

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  1. 1.

    Trollhattan

    July 16, 2025 at 1:13 pm

    This is a Big Deal. Heard a lengthy interview last week with the UN head of AIDS programs and the lack of  consistent use of retroviral drugs is revving up an explosion of HIV back to transmissible levels. A direct consequence of US pulling funding. (Not that the planet should be relying so heavily on one nation but there’s no practical way to backfill on such short notice.)

  2. 2.

    zhena gogolia

    July 16, 2025 at 1:19 pm

    This is why we have to keep complaining about every single little stupid thing. (I say “we” although I’m lazy.) They do seem to back down on some things.

    I hope the widespread revulsion over ICE can have some effect before long.

  3. 3.

    Josie

    July 16, 2025 at 1:23 pm

    These people are so deficient in research and reading comprehension skills that it is laughable. I guess their staffs are equally stupid. Anyone with better skills would not want to work in such an environment.

  4. 4.

    suzanne

    July 16, 2025 at 1:24 pm

    Is this another flavor of TACO? And it happens to be a good flavor?

  5. 5.

    Trollhattan

    July 16, 2025 at 1:27 pm

    Since Every Seat Counts, one of those “moderate Democrat” critters is challenging a California Central Valley Republican congresscritter. Bon chance, as they say.

    Democratic state lawmaker and physician Jasmeet Bains will challenge Rep. David Valadao, R-Hanford, for his Central Valley congressional seat, she announced Wednesday morning. Bains ripped Valadao for supporting President Trump’s Big, Beautiful Bill despite the four-term congressman saying he would not support large-scale cuts to Medicaid.

    The Republican tax bill is expected to cut more than $1 trillion from the low-income health insurance program over the next decade. Roughly two-thirds of residents in Valadao’s district rely on Medi-Cal, the state’s version of Medicaid, for health coverage.

    “In the middle of an affordability crisis in the Central Valley, while our communities struggle to afford care, food, or clean water, Valadao just voted to gut Medi-Cal that provides 68% of the affordable healthcare in our community, jack up prescription drug prices, and cut off food assistance for thousands of hardworking folks,” Bains said in a statement announcing her campaign.

    “That’s not leadership — that’s betrayal.” Bains, a moderate Democrat from Delano, became the first Sikh American and the first woman of South Asian descent elected to the California Assembly when she won her 2022 race. She has broken with her party on oil and gas regulations and public safety.

    Early in her tenure she was removed from a committee position after she voted against a bill sponsored by Gov. Gavin Newsom to crack down on oil industry profits. Bains has also continued to work as a physician while serving in the Legislature, something she highlighted in a video announcing her campaign.

    sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article310784020.html#storylink=cpy

  6. 6.

    Baud

    July 16, 2025 at 1:28 pm

    That is a nice Easter egg.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    July 16, 2025 at 1:28 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Agreed.

  8. 8.

    Anne Laurie

    July 16, 2025 at 1:32 pm

    @Josie: These people are so deficient in research and reading comprehension skills that it is laughable. I guess their staffs are equally stupid. Anyone with better skills would not want to work in such an environment.

    My personal suspicion is that the Project 2025 people hate PEPFAR because it enables ‘those people’ to have filthy, disgusting S-E-X without the fear of ‘God given’ consequences.  They can’t find honest reasons to attack the program, but they dig through every right-wing social media conspiracy site to find something they can pretend gives them a reason to destroy it.

  9. 9.

    H.E.Wolf

    July 16, 2025 at 1:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia: This is why we have to keep complaining about every single little stupid thing. (I say “we” although I’m lazy.)

     Oh, we’ll do it in tandem, I promise. Together we are mighty! :)

  10. 10.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 1:33 pm

    I just had an epiphany while listening to the History of British  India, that the foundation of the British Empire was drug trafficking and human trafficking.

    And it was maintained using systematized violence. I have never seen them being held to account for the misery, cruelty and the death they unleashed wherever they bought their “civilization”

  11. 11.

    Josie

    July 16, 2025 at 1:41 pm

    @Anne Laurie: ​
     That makes total sense, unfortunately.

  12. 12.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 16, 2025 at 1:43 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:

    That’s a most interesting (in the “duh, yes, of course!” way) observation. Can you recommend a good source for the history of the EIC?

  13. 13.

    caphilldcne

    July 16, 2025 at 1:45 pm

    Still time to call Senators.  HIV/AIDS advocates still oppose the whole package – and let’s be clear – saving $400 million in PEPFAR is ok but getting rid of another $800 million in other aid for malnutrition etc. is not.  Here’s an email that has been going around from the HIV side of things:
    Yesterday, the Senate voted to move the rescissions bill to the floor for final debate and a vote. They will try to vote on the rescissions bill around 1:30pm ET vote today. We still have time to get calls into the Senate and we’ve seen that there have been changes – your pressure is working!!  We must continue to send the strong message that the entire package should be stopped.
    Call using our action alert to demand they vote NO on the recessions!
    Please be aware that since the bill has changed, if it passes it will then have to be voted on one more time by the House.  Please keep an eye out for a final action alert as well for the House.  We appreciate your advocacy and activism!  Kill this bill!  Keep up the fight!

  14. 14.

    Josie

    July 16, 2025 at 1:45 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: I’ve never read anything on India’s history, but I’ve read enough on Irish history to believe you are correct.

  15. 15.

    bbleh

    July 16, 2025 at 1:46 pm

    @Anne Laurie: agree there likely is a substantial dose of Victorian sex-panic in the mix, but I also think there is at least as much stone-cold sociopathy.

    They simply don’t care about other people.  It’s not so much moral revulsion about other people as … absence of any feeling at all.  It’s like people who have no sense of humor — everybody laughs at a joke and they just look puzzled.

  16. 16.

    Old School

    July 16, 2025 at 1:48 pm

    While it’s great that PEPFAR will stick around, it strikes me as likely that the Trump administration still won’t staff/fund it.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    July 16, 2025 at 1:50 pm

    Reposted from yesterday.

    Five months into its unprecedented dismantling of foreign-aid programs, the Trump administration has given the order to incinerate food instead of sending it to people abroad who need it. Nearly 500 metric tons of emergency food—enough to feed about 1.5 million children for a week—are set to expire tomorrow, according to current and former government employees with direct knowledge of the rations. Within weeks, two of those sources told me, the food, meant for children in Afghanistan and Pakistan, will be ash.…

    Sometime near the end of the Biden administration, USAID spent about $800,000 on the high-energy biscuits, one current and one former employee at the agency told me. The biscuits, which cram in the nutritional needs of a child under 5, are a stopgap measure, often used in scenarios where people have lost their homes in a natural disaster or fled a war faster than aid groups could set up a kitchen to receive them. They were stored in a Dubai warehouse and intended to go to the children this year. Source

  18. 18.

    bbleh

    July 16, 2025 at 1:51 pm

    @Old School: unfortunately agree.  They’ve made it clear that just because Congress passes a law saying money should be spent on something doesn’t mean they have to do OTHER Executive things like, say, hire people to spend it.  And the Supremes agree, so there we are.

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    July 16, 2025 at 1:53 pm

    When they’re not lying, they have nothing at all…

     

    so much truth

  20. 20.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 16, 2025 at 1:57 pm

    @Old School: Take the fucking win.  Then fight the next fight.

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    July 16, 2025 at 2:00 pm

    @schrodingers_cat

    Many don’t know the French tried (and in some cases temporarily came very close) to replace British rule in India.

    Looking at the legacy of former French colonies, that would have been even more disastrous.

  22. 22.

    Josie

    July 16, 2025 at 2:01 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     Thank you.

  23. 23.

    caphilldcne

    July 16, 2025 at 2:04 pm

    @Old School: also very likely.

  24. 24.

    caphilldcne

    July 16, 2025 at 2:06 pm

    They just started vote-a-rama on the rescission.  Will likely continue into the morning so I’m telling folks to keep calling Senators and vote against.

  25. 25.

    Kathleen

    July 16, 2025 at 2:07 pm

    @zhena gogolia: My OH#1 Rep Greg Landsman with whom I disagreed when he said Biden should step down nonetheless has been instrumental in getting the hotline that tracked kidnapped Ukrainian children and was discontinued by DOGE back online, He worked with some Republican reps and some people in the Trump administration. He said the most vocal and helpful allies were the evangelicals, many of whom I think help to man the hot line.

    ICE seized a Muslim chaplain who worked at Children’s Hospital  is scheduled to be deported. Again, Landsman and some other people got an agreement from ICE to let him remain in Cincinnati until his hearing. I’m willing to bet most Dem reps are engaged in this type of activity but we don’t hear about it. I got the idea Landsman wanted to keep the info about working with Trump’s people on the down low for some reason so I’m sure there are valid reasons not to publicize everything they’re doing.

  26. 26.

    Matt

    July 16, 2025 at 2:08 pm

    On June 25, Russell Vought, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, told a Senate committee that the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, known as PEPFAR, had spent $9.3 million “to advise Russian doctors on how to perform abortions and gender analysis.”

    I long for the days when a high-level official FLAT-OUT LYING TO CONGRESS would have been a five-alarm scandal.

    Instead, it’s just another day of Liars For Jeebus hard at work

  27. 27.

    frosty

    July 16, 2025 at 2:09 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: … the foundation of the British Empire was drug trafficking and human trafficking…

    Opium, tobacco, slaves

  28. 28.

    kindness

    July 16, 2025 at 2:10 pm

    With all due respect, DOGE and Trump cut the AIDS funds because those patients are not only disposable people, but folk MAGA wants to die.  It was a twofer in their world.  Man will they be pissed about this.

  29. 29.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 2:12 pm

    @NotMax:

    French came nowhere close to supplanting the British in India. I am not ready to pin a medal on the British as being a good colonial power based on their own telling. Ask the people who were under the British occupation about “good” they were. They weren’t.

  30. 30.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 2:13 pm

    @frosty: Tea and indentured servants after abolishing slavery.

    It was a criminal enterprise backed by a nation state.

  31. 31.

    Doctor Science

    July 16, 2025 at 2:14 pm

    Indivisible is entering a new phase. So far it’s been organized around pressuring Congress and other electeds, now it’s clear that isn’t enough to stop the authoritarian breakthrough.

    Tonight is the first session of One Million Rising: Strategic Non-Cooperation to Fight Authoritarianism. These are training sessions, to get people prepared to organize locally for sustained, strategic nonviolent non-cooperation. These are the kind of movements that *work* to overcome authoritarian regimes — but they’re also the kind that need 3.5% of the population actively involved. In the US, that would be 12 million people.

    Right now, we’re aiming to train 1 million, as we build toward a truly society-wide No Kings movement. You can sign up here.

    I always liveblog Indivisible’s Thursday afternoon What’s The Plan? meeting, but tomorrow’s will be extra-important, with special guest Erica Chenowth, whose work on the history of resistance to authoritarianism undergirds our strategy. I expect my liveblog will be particulary spotty as I’ll be spending too much time *listening*. Sign up here!.

    You should probably front-page something about this, by one of the front-pagers or another regular.

  32. 32.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 2:17 pm

    @Doctor Science: Yes Gandhi was able to paralyze the British Empire using non-violent non-cooperation.

  33. 33.

    Paul in KY

    July 16, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    @bbleh: They laugh at cruel jokes.

  34. 34.

    Chetan Murthy

    July 16, 2025 at 2:20 pm

    Senate Majority Leader John Thune said there was a “lot of interest” among Senate Republicans to address the cut to the program created under President George W. Bush and credited with saving tens of millions of lives…

    I have to wonder if there’s some diabolical plot afoot.  B/c they never do something for brown/black people out of the goodness of their hearts.

  35. 35.

    zhena gogolia

    July 16, 2025 at 2:21 pm

    @Doctor Science: I thought there was supposed to be a protest today, but I haven’t seen anything since a church announcement.

  36. 36.

    chrisanthemama

    July 16, 2025 at 2:22 pm

    Now do USAID.  Oh wait, today’s the day the administration is incinerating $800k worth of food (already paid for) for starving children at a cost of $130k.  That’ll show those lazy starving kids, huh.  Trump Ignored Warnings and Now Has to Burn 500 Tons of USAID Emergency Food

  37. 37.

    Old Man Shadow

    July 16, 2025 at 2:22 pm

    Okay, we can turn down Hell’s thermometer from 300,000F to 299,999F for them.

  38. 38.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 2:22 pm

    @Josie: Ireland was their lab for genocidal starvation.

    The Nazis took notes on British experiments in India on the minimum caloric intake needed to survive. Something they used in death camps and work camps.

    India was also their lab for studying and practicing policing methods, under the lovely name of crowd control. I just learned that rubber bullets were first used in Occupied India.

    FWIW IMHO British had a better PR/information dispensing apparatus than the other colonial powers to sanitize their activities in the colonies for domestic consumption.

  39. 39.

    Mathguy

    July 16, 2025 at 2:24 pm

    If there’s a hell, Vought should pack very light clothes since it will be extremely warm where he’s going. What a POS.

  40. 40.

    Paul in KY

    July 16, 2025 at 2:24 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: It was so very successful! Maybe there’s another state that wants its independence that maybe could try that and see what happens? Their current strategery of ‘lets use our popguns against a nation-state that has nukes to force them to give us our independence’ hasn’t worked out quite so well…

  41. 41.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 2:29 pm

    @Paul in KY: Are you talking about Kashmir?

  42. 42.

    Paul in KY

    July 16, 2025 at 2:41 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Nope.

  43. 43.

    Librettist

    July 16, 2025 at 2:43 pm

    The lede said a couple of House members flipped to stop Kegsbreth’s re-re-naming of bases.

  44. 44.

    Trollhattan

    July 16, 2025 at 2:46 pm

    @NotMax:

    Is that what they settled on for powering AI server farms?

  45. 45.

    lowtechcyclist

    July 16, 2025 at 2:52 pm

    So does this rescission bill need 50 Senate votes, or 60?

  46. 46.

    Baud

    July 16, 2025 at 2:58 pm

    @lowtechcyclist:

    50

  47. 47.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 3:04 pm

    @Paul in KY:Then I have no idea what you are talking about.

  48. 48.

    Belafon

    July 16, 2025 at 3:04 pm

    @Doctor Science: The hard thing will be getting that large of a population to resist while things still feel “normal” to a large part of the country.

  49. 49.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 3:06 pm

    @NotMax: The British defeated French in India in 1760 and after that the French were a footnote in Indian history.

    In 1760, EIC’s holdings included Bengal and some fortified towns where they had factories (warehouses). So over 80 percent of India’s territory was held by Indian rulers.

  50. 50.

    Harrison Wesley

    July 16, 2025 at 3:09 pm

    @zhena gogolia: John Lewis protest is tomorrow.

  51. 51.

    danielx

    July 16, 2025 at 3:15 pm

    Ms. Cauley, the spokeswoman for the O.M.B., insisted that PEPFAR had administered the grant, and did not respond to repeated requests to provide evidence of her assertions about the program or about the two organizations…

    Pretty much SOP for anyone in the Orange Jesus administration, starting at the top – when in doubt, lie and keep on lying.

  52. 52.

    Martin

    July 16, 2025 at 3:17 pm

    @Trollhattan: CA-22 has the highest percentage of Medicaid recipients in the US. It is a massive issue there.

    I’m skeptical that the usual left/right issue spectrum is relevant to winning in a lot of these places. A lot of Trumps success has come from scrambling that up – a lot of the MAHA movement is pretty left crunchy, tariffs used to be a left/labor hobbyhorse.  And I think the center is mostly gone – I think we’re past the days where marginal changes to the status quo are seen as solutions and we’re in an era where big, bold ideas are what’s resonating. That district has a lot of active oil fields up around Lost Hills and north of McKittrick. Lot of field workers in that district. So her oil-friendly position probably won’t hurt her. She’s very vocal in support for MediCal for undocumented Californians, which is probably what this race will swing on. There are a lot of voters in that district that have relatives who are undocumented and rely on that care. She’s a bit far south for her Sikh heritage to be a big help, but there’s a general solidarity in the valley among immigrants of all types.

    Valadao won by 3 in 2022, and by 7 in 2024 against the same opponent. I think she’s got a decent shot.

  53. 53.

    Bill Arnold

    July 16, 2025 at 3:21 pm

    @Doctor Science:
    A good introduction to Chenoweth’s work: Why 
Civil 
Resistance 
Works
 (Slides (22), Erica 
Chenoweth,
 April
8,
 2010
)

    Longer, PDF:
    Why Civil Resistance Works – The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict (PDF, 38 pages, Maria J. Stephan and Erica Chenoweth, 2008)

    A key takeaway; her analyses (15 years old now, FWIW) of attacks on armed internal security forces showed that they generally tended to prevent defections of those services to the opposition, i.e. are(were) a bad idea. (Genuine self-defense excepted, maybe, though even they would be spun as attacks on internal security forces.)

  54. 54.

    Anyway

    July 16, 2025 at 3:25 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:In 1760, EIC’s holdings included Bengal and some fortified towns where they had factories (warehouses). So over 80 percent of India’s territory was held by Indian rulers.

    Are the Mughals considered Indian rulers?

  55. 55.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    @Anyway: Yes they are. What else would they be? They didn’t tax peasants to the point that they died of starvation by the millions and took that money to Samarkand. Although by 1760 they were a spent force.

  56. 56.

    zhena gogolia

    July 16, 2025 at 3:27 pm

    @Harrison Wesley: Locally I’m hearing nothing about it, whereas the No Kings protest was inescapable.

    ETA: Looks as if there’s nothing planned in my town. Weekday.

  57. 57.

    Geminid

    July 16, 2025 at 3:34 pm

    @Martin: David Valadeo was one of the ten House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump the second time. Four retired and four lost primaries in 2022. Only Valadeo and Dan Newsome survived, perhaps because California and Washington are “jungle” primary states.

  58. 58.

    Anyway

    July 16, 2025 at 3:39 pm

    @schrodingers_cat:Yes they are. What else would they be?

    i don’t know. That’s why i asked. Sorry if it didn’t meet your exacting standards. I thought they came from Turkey or Iran (or places outside India)

  59. 59.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    @Anyway: They came from Central Asia from modern Uzbekistan. But they became Indian. Persian was their court language.

  60. 60.

    Martin

    July 16, 2025 at 4:40 pm

    @Geminid: Maybe. California GOP isn’t particularly Trumpy. I mean, it’s there, but we haven’t see a notable uptick in anti-immigrant sentiment in the state unlike most of the rest of the country. Broad tariffs aren’t popular because every industry knows that landscape pretty well. The tomato farmers understand pretty well how that market works, and how it differs from almonds. The idea you can slap national tariffs down and have that work is pretty strongly rejected here. So I’m not surprise there wasn’t a large backlash against his impeachment vote.

    But this is a small/medium business landscape more than anything else. A lot of ag and oil work is through subcontractors or as contractors, so there’s a pretty solid pro-business, regulatory cautious environment, even among the workers. We don’t have these big factory farms where the workers are all employees, we navigate the undocumented labor space though a kind of web of plausible deniability. The big factory farm hires a labor subcontractor who pulls in crews from other labor subcontractors, and technically someone down that chain is responsible for checking if workers are legal, but no legal responsibility ever flows uphill. Workers often aren’t even sure who they are working for, and employers often don’t know which subcontractor their crew actually works for – and everyone kind of likes it that way because everyone is shielded. But it means that you have LOADS of small businesses that like to keep government at arms length, so I think there’s an inherent bias for GOP policy. And of course, the biggest policy issue there is water, which doesn’t even get acknowledged at the federal level, or even often by residents in the cities because we always have water, what’s the problem? And those are really difficult issues to get into at a place like this because it’s so utterly foreign to anything in our political space. But put simply, there’s a general view that Democrats fuck over ag water (which, to be clear is insatiable) in favor of cities. North of this CA-22 a water district was stealing water and selling it back to farmers. And a number of water districts in this area aren’t managing their usage in accordance with the law and may be forced to cut off flow to farmers in order to stabilize aquifers. These are big local issues.

    Jungle primary works like normal primary up until you get heavily D/R districts where there’s a risk of the top 2 in one party taking those slots. 22 isn’t partisan enough for that to matter, so it works like anywhere else. Even if Valadeo had gotten a MAGA primary, he might have lost to that candidate, but it still would have been a D/R general, so there was no risk to the party for allowing that primary to happen. So I don’t think the jungle primary was a factor here. Not sure about the Washington race – there it might have been.

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    Paul in KY

    July 16, 2025 at 4:47 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: What other potential nation-state maybe needs to try non-violence (as they haven’t got squat doing it the ‘violent’ way)?

    Hint: It rhymes with Zalestine

  62. 62.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 16, 2025 at 4:51 pm

    @Paul in KY: Got it, thanks.

  63. 63.

    Geminid

    July 16, 2025 at 5:00 pm

    @Martin: Well, you say “Maybe” and I said “perhaps” which is the same thing.

    There were several close California House races that I monitored last November. One thing I noticed was that CA22 had many fewer voters than the others, maybe one hundred thousand fewer. I figured this was because of a large number of residents who were not qualified to vote.

    Valadeo’s district will be a top target for Democrats next year. So will Ken Calvert’s Palm Springs-centered district and another in the LA area..

  64. 64.

    WTFGhost

    July 16, 2025 at 5:13 pm

    @Trollhattan: Well, Trump was just horrible the way he always is. He doesn’t care about a contract – if he can break it, for his convenience, he will.

    Now, I will say one thing:  this is NOTHING, repeat *NOTHING* as in, NOT A SINGLE GODDAMNED THING, if Republicans don’t force Trump to spend the money. Remember: this “recissions” bill is trying to retroactively make legal his violation of those contracts.

    But there’s nothing that can force Trump to actually release the funds, or use them for their intended purpose, in this nation, at this time, except polls. And the polls aren’t bad enough to end a tanTrump.

  65. 65.

    Geminid

    July 16, 2025 at 5:18 pm

    @Geminid: So I checked out last year’s election results for Valadeo’s CA22 and compared them to those for CA45, where Democrat Derek Tran unseated Republican incumbent Michelle Steel.

    Valadeo won with 89,484 votes to Democrat Rudy Salas’s 78,023. Total:167,507.

    Derek “Landslide” Tran got 158,226 compared to Steel’s 157,411. Total: 315,875. That total was over 148,000 votes higher than for CA22.

  66. 66.

    Citizen Alan

    July 16, 2025 at 6:03 pm

    @chrisanthemama: I always thought one of the most absurd things in Atlas Shrugged was when one of the heroes was a sea-faring pirate who was praised for hijacking relief ships sent by the US to feed the starving masses of Europe. I remember thinking “How could any human being possibly look upon this character as anything other than a monster?” And now, our government is burning food rather than see it go to starving children. And I bet everyone involved in this abomination, if asked, would proudly claim to be a Christian

  67. 67.

    Anyway

    July 16, 2025 at 7:53 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Thanks. Uzbekistan?! I had no idea.

  68. 68.

    Geminid

    July 16, 2025 at 8:17 pm

    @Anyway: That whole Central Asian region generated a lot of successful military forces. Among others, the Turkic tribes that conquered Anatolia, and ultimately Constantinople in 1453, came from there.

    Turks are very proud of their martial heritage. One of the funnier things I’ve seen on social media was a take on the origin of Azhkenazi Jews. Anti-Israel detractors were arguing that the Ashkenazi did not originally come from the Levant, and that this undercut their claim to the land of Israel. The idea was that they were originally a Central Asian tribe that converted to Judaism in the early Middle Ages: the Khazars.

    Some Turk chimed in:

     Sure the Ashkenazi are Khazars. Khazars were Turks. That’s why Israelis are such good fighters.

    I thought that was a very Turkish thing to say.

  69. 69.

    Kayla Rudbek

    July 17, 2025 at 1:28 am

    @schrodingers_cat: yes, tobacco as the original drug, replaced by opium in China (could maybe make the argument that sugar is another drug, the molasses byproduct from the sugar was made into rum which definitely counts as a drug) and slavery = human trafficking (press-ganging would probably count as human trafficking as well, maybe indentured servitude as well) and kidnapping into being a sailor persisted all the way to San Francisco late 19th-early 20th century (called Shanghaing if I recall correctly)

  70. 70.

    Kayla Rudbek

    July 17, 2025 at 1:30 am

    @Josie: the English practiced colonialism on Ireland before they took it out to the rest of the world

  71. 71.

    Kayla Rudbek

    July 17, 2025 at 1:31 am

    @frosty: sugar/molasses/rum and press-ganging and transporting convicts as well

  72. 72.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 17, 2025 at 8:53 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Yes, the Chinese know this too, from the Opium Wars.

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