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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / (Interim) Thursday Morning Open Thread

(Interim) Thursday Morning Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  July 31, 20258:52 am| 101 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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60 years ago, President Johnson traveled to the Truman Library in Independence, Missouri, to sign Medicare and Medicaid into law.

With President Truman—who began the fight—at his side, our nation took a historic step toward recognizing health care as a right, not a privilege. pic.twitter.com/lE8fqD8fX5

— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) July 30, 2025

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The Federal Reserve is leaving its key short-term interest rate unchanged for the fifth time this year, brushing off repeated calls from President Donald Trump for a cut.

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— The Associated Press (@apnews.com) July 30, 2025 at 3:00 PM

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Call to Activism – Joe Gallina
🚨MAJOR BREAKING: Speaker Emerita Pelosi just SILENCED Republicans by announcing she SUPPORTS the ban on Congressional stock trading.
Hawley thought it was cute calling it the PELOSI Act – now it’s the HONEST Act. I love that she called his bluff!!

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— Paul Eric Scannell (@pauleric70.bsky.social) July 30, 2025 at 9:23 PM

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Correct stance by @warren.senate.gov
The Vought/Trump/Vance/DOGE-Musk [remember them, and him?] forces are acting in entire bad faith.
Do not engage with them.

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— James Fallows (@jfallows.bsky.social) July 30, 2025 at 2:12 PM

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If you're a pilot, you've already gotten this notice.
Trump is capping off his golfing trip to Scotland, with a golfing trip to New Jersey.
At work, for America.

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— James Fallows (@jfallows.bsky.social) July 30, 2025 at 3:33 PM

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Coming tomorrow at 9 PM ET with @senateinsession.bsky.social: a full breakdown of my follow the money investigation on Epstein so far. How we got a look at the Treasury’s Epstein files, how it all ties back to Donald Trump, and where we go from here.

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— Senator Ron Wyden (@wyden.senate.gov) July 30, 2025 at 8:58 PM

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  1. 1.

    japa21

    July 31, 2025 at 9:02 am

    Morning all

  2. 2.

    satby

    July 31, 2025 at 9:04 am

    Looking forward to Sen. Wyden’s findings.

    I think the felon is hiding financial dealings, since the stories of him raping minors have been out for years.

  3. 3.

    MCat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:04 am

    Good morning!

  4. 4.

    Librettist

    July 31, 2025 at 9:05 am

    Go to Texas, go broke.

    Joe Rogan’s Comedian Pals Regret Following Him to Texas.

    I remember the good old days when the GOP would tut-tut about “pushing the demand string….”.

  5. 5.

    kindness

    July 31, 2025 at 9:05 am

    I miss Joe Biden’s presidency.  I didn’t have to think about anything.  I didn’t worry constantly about the country going to hell in a hand basket.  He didn’t get any credit by the MSM and he barely got enough credit from fellow Democrats.

  6. 6.

    Lapassionara

    July 31, 2025 at 9:10 am

    Medicare is great in my view. I know the Republicans want to take away its power to affect what HPs are paid, but that power is crucial.

    thank you, LBJ

  7. 7.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 9:11 am

    @kindness: Me too.
    Living through the heightening of contradictions is unbearably stressful.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 9:12 am

    @japa21:

    @satby:

    Good morning.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 9:12 am

    @kindness:

    @Ohio Mom:

    We’re a minority. People are bored and want a reality show with drama.

  10. 10.

    Librettist

    July 31, 2025 at 9:13 am

    Quantitative easing….  was one weird trick that worked until it didn’t. I don’t see his fiscal brainiacs understanding the difference between that and chopping at the rate.

    Man-baby can mewl all he wants, inflationary pressures are not going away because he wishes them away to a corn field.

  11. 11.

    Geminid

    July 31, 2025 at 9:13 am

    @MCat: Good morning!

  12. 12.

    H.E.Wolf

    July 31, 2025 at 9:13 am

    President and Mrs. Truman allegedly received the first two Medicare cards, in recognition of Truman’s longstanding championship of this and similar plans.

    pbs.org/newshour/health/president-johnson-signs-medicare-law
    Excerpt:
    “During his administration, President Truman called for the institution of a federally funded health insurance program in 1945 and again in 1947 and 1949. Each presidential plea, however, was thwarted or ignored by the U.S. Congress, aided and abetted by powerful medical lobbies such as the American Medical Association and the American Hospital Association, which denigrated such efforts as a descent into ‘socialized medicine.’ “

  13. 13.

    Raoul Paste

    July 31, 2025 at 9:14 am

    @Baud:  The same people are so uninformed that they don’t realize the level of drama that they are getting.

  14. 14.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 9:14 am

    Subaru Diane asked yesterday if anyone had seen Raven commenting recently.

    By my calculations, he’s due any moment to remind us to Fuck LBJ; if he doesn’t, I think a front pager should be alerted to do a wellness check.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 9:15 am

    @Ohio Mom:

    He said he was going to be around less.

  16. 16.

    Suzanne

    July 31, 2025 at 9:16 am

    @Ohio Mom:

    Living through the heightening of contradictions is unbearably stressful.

    Agree.
    The End of History was supposed to feel more secure, rather than less so.

  17. 17.

    zhena gogolia

    July 31, 2025 at 9:22 am

    @kindness: Amen.

  18. 18.

    Librettist

    July 31, 2025 at 9:24 am

    @satby:

    Money crimes, sex crimes, thought crimes. He is no longer able to carry the blizzard of lies day to day, and just randomly blurts out incriminating stuff that might not even be true (because he doesn’t remember). He implicates himself further in the court of normie opinion on a daily basis.

    They need to drop the fool now, before the midterms get baked in, but they won’t.

  19. 19.

    Another Scott

    July 31, 2025 at 9:27 am

    @kindness: +1

    I can’t stand to listen to the top of the hour news on the radio anymore.  About 85.732% of the stories are “President 47 did this thing…”. They rarely if ever call out the illegality and how he’s breaking all the systems that our parents and ancestors built.

    There are times that I think that Democrats lose close elections not because people don’t like them or their policies, but because they aren’t narcissistic enough to demand to dominate the news every hour of every day.

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  20. 20.

    Betty Cracker

    July 31, 2025 at 9:29 am

    Good to hear Senator Warren advocate for refusing to participate in rigged budget “negotiations.” This came up last week in a post about Senator Murphy, who also recognizes it’s a charade that offers no upside for Dems.

    As Bill Scher wrote in The WaMo (linked in the post), Republicans can keep the government open all by themselves by nuking the 60-vote threshold and voting on a straight party line. They don’t want to do that because they want fake bipartisan cover from agreements they telegraph in advance they’ll break.

    I haven’t heard a good argument yet why Dems shouldn’t make them do that and own their unpopular shit if they’re going to cheat Dems out of every “concession” anyway.

  21. 21.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:30 am

    @kindness: He was boring and old and appointed too many black women. So we had to be punished for his “sins”. So say the Bernie bros and the PodBros and D electeds that led the charge against him.

    //Dead horse alert.

  22. 22.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:34 am

    @Baud: MAGA are minority too, but they have succeeded in imposing their will on the rest of us. The majority is slumbering.

    Speaking about messaging, warmed up claptrap from campus Socialist-Marxist luncheons is not a winning message beyond a certain type of an entitled person who thinks that they are the tribune of the poor and the unwashed. Eat the rich is not a great message.

  23. 23.

    stinger

    July 31, 2025 at 9:34 am

    @Another Scott: I get 95% of my news from Balloon Juice now, because I can’t bear to have the Felon’s actions reported as if they were normal presidential actions. The news announcers need to show horror, dismay, and outrage in their faces and voices. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

    So I’m very grateful to Anne Laurie, Betty Cracker, WaterGirl, and other frontpagers and commenters for filtering what’s going on.

  24. 24.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 9:37 am

    @Baud: We’re a minority. People are bored and want a reality show with drama.

    QFT. Look at TV and the internet, this crappy reality show stuff is all over it. It wouldn’t be there if people didn’t watch it, plus it’s cheap for them to produce.

  25. 25.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 9:37 am

    @Baud: That was good manners, to give us notice. I must have missed that thread. Thanks for the update.

  26. 26.

    Doug R

    July 31, 2025 at 9:37 am

    Weird error message posting a link.

    What’s a “redis”?

     

    Anyway “mystery orange shape spotted near Jeffery Epstein’s cell the night of his death: report”

    Got a weird error trying to post the link…

  27. 27.

    zhena gogolia

    July 31, 2025 at 9:37 am

    @stinger: Same here.

    ETA: And yet I feel better informed than a lot of people I talk to.

  28. 28.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 9:38 am

    @Ohio Mom: I’m friends with him on FB. He posted about Ryne Sandberg’s death on Tuesday of this week.

  29. 29.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 9:40 am

    @Another Scott:  I can’t stand to listen to the top of the hour news on the radio anymore.  About 85.732% of the stories are “President 47 did this thing…”. They rarely if ever call out the illegality and how he’s breaking all the systems that our parents and ancestors built.

    Same here, I hear this crap on the local news every night too. They rarely mention the problems with what he does.

  30. 30.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:42 am

    OT: What are kosher meals on Delta international flights like? I have become  supersensitive to lactose, especially milk and cream and some cheeses. I can tolerate butter, yogurt in small amounts. I usually would get the Hindu meal. Of course I can go vegan but I am afraid it will be tasteless. They have a kosher meal option too. So I was wondering what that entails. If anyone has any experience please let me know.

    I have to go to India, for the first anniversary to commemorate my mother.

  31. 31.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2025 at 9:43 am

    @Ohio Mom: @Baud: I emailed him.  Will let y’all know if he responds and authorizes my sharing that information.  Don’t want to intrude if he’s faked his own death and is trying to disappear.

  32. 32.

    lowtechcyclist

    July 31, 2025 at 9:44 am

    @Baud:

    People are bored and want a reality show with drama.

    Television doesn’t already give them plenty of that?  Not to mention, the ups and downs of one’s sportsball teams.

    And best of all, no matter how your team’s season ends, or what happens to your favorite character on a ‘reality’ show, it doesn’t affect when you can retire or whether you can afford to see a doctor, or whether any help is on the way when your area has been hit by a natural disaster.

    There’s a lot to be said for that sort of drama.

  33. 33.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2025 at 9:45 am

    @stinger: same here and I concur with all your statements

  34. 34.

    Another Scott

    July 31, 2025 at 9:45 am

    Relatedly?

    Wondermark #1569

    Hmmm…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  35. 35.

    Jackie

    July 31, 2025 at 9:47 am

    @Baud:

    @Ohio Mom:

    I believe he said he’d be lurking more; posting less.

    BUT he needs to check in weekly with a FUCK LBJ!, if nothing else ;-D

  36. 36.

    Tony Jay

    July 31, 2025 at 9:47 am

    Since the UK Government was dragged kicking and squealing into sort of maybe promising to follow France and 140+ countries in recognising a Palestinian state in September (if Hamas surrenders, disarms and dissolves itself – so, no then) the usual suspects have emerged from the baroque mausoleum that is The House of Lords to inform everyone that such an action by the UK would dum-dum-duuuuum violate international law.

    Forty ‘eminent lawyers’ (stop laughing at the back) have come forward to claim that recognition of Palestine is in violation of The Montevideo Convention, a 1933 agreement between states in the Americas that the UK is not a signatory to and that has never been mentioned before in pretty much any context. Except by Russia, which referred to it in justifying its invasion of Ukraine. Which is, uh, something.

    Lady Ruth Deech has been on Sky News giving her ‘expert opinion’ that the UK (and presumably all the other countries that have already recognised or intend to recognise Palestinian statehood) simply have to view the MC as settled international law. Unlike those other and presumably irrelevant Hague, Geneva and Genocide Conventions. Those apparently aren’t worth the antisemitic paper they’re antisemitically written on and Ruthie is simply having no truck with that nonsense.

    Needless to say, nobody at Sky or on the BBC or in the FTF Guardian felt it necessary to mention that Lady Deech is a former director of the controversial Jewish National Fund, that supports the expansion of Jewish settlements, including across the West Bank, as well as being a patron of the UK Lawyers for Israel group that uses lawfare to silence opponents of Israel. Deech is also on record denying that Israel is committing genocide, and claiming that Netanyahu has sovereign immunity against international arrest warrants because he’s Israel’s Head of State… so not a great record for accuracy.

    I’m sure that the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Lisa ‘Brexit 4 Life’ Nandy will be straight in front of a camera demanding to know why people haven’t been sacked for such a blatant failure to provide adequate disclosure. After all, she claims to be genuinely outraged with the case of a 13 year old providing a voiceover for an award winning documentary about how hellish life is in Gaza because no one revealed that the kid’s dad worked with Hamas, so she must be boiling over with rage at Lady Deech being presented as an independent legal voice.

    Right? Right?!? Ha! Like fuck.

    Still, always nice to smell the fumes of panic on The Right. Kind of nutty, with a floral bouquet. 

  37. 37.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2025 at 9:49 am

    @schrodingers_cat: I get all my political opinions from the left flank of the Oberlin student council.  Is that a mistake?

  38. 38.

    Miss Bianca

    July 31, 2025 at 9:49 am

    @Ohio Mom: I too was wondering about Raven. Also about Momsense – haven’t seen anything from her in ages.

  39. 39.

    Belafon

    July 31, 2025 at 9:51 am

    @Librettist: I can’t get to it from here, but a bsky post showed that the BLS has mostly stopped collecting the data it needs to actually compute the correct inflation value. So the inflation value they are putting it is only going to match reality by luck.

  40. 40.

    zhena gogolia

    July 31, 2025 at 9:52 am

    @Miss Bianca: Momsense left with Kay. I understand you can find them at mistermix’s blog.

  41. 41.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:53 am

    @Steve in the ATL: No that’s perfect. Do they wear their red Che tshirts?

  42. 42.

    Miss Bianca

    July 31, 2025 at 9:54 am

    @zhena gogolia: Oh. Well. I was afraid of that. Too bad then.

  43. 43.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 9:57 am

    @Baud: He is wise, I should probably do the same. I must be a masochist to keep posting here to be excoriated on the daily by the  leading lights  aka valued commenters of BJ who fancy themselves as super novae of brilliance.

  44. 44.

    eclare

    July 31, 2025 at 9:58 am

    @Baud:

    I get drama from reality tv.  I wish it would stay there.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 9:59 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I know Raven likes to fish. What would you do?

  46. 46.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:00 am

    @Baud: Paint. Color. Draw. Work. Read. Write.

    I am restarting my blog when I come back from India this fall.

    You guys are my besties, I can’t leave you even though I want to.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 10:01 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Truth be told, all of those things sound better than being online. It’s kind of dreary on the Internet these days.

  48. 48.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:04 am

    @Baud: I have reduced my time online. One can’t quit a habit of several decades cold turkey. I could take up fishing. I like to be on the ocean. Or I will just do plein air painting. And eat the fish.

  49. 49.

    RevRick

    July 31, 2025 at 10:04 am

    @kindness: We all miss his Presidency. Even more, I miss the would be Presidency of Kamala Harris. We have descended into a very dark and dangerous place.

  50. 50.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 10:05 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Ohio Dad, who keeps kosher but hasn’t been on a flight long enough for meal service in many years, says in his ancient experience, breakfast will most likely have milk products; lunch will probably be a cold cut sandwich, and dinner will probably be some sort of meat. He warns that first class is served the same Kosher meal as coach, except they get two meals — what they lack in quality, they make up in quantity.

    He says they are basically TV dinners, produced by Kosher caterers. Some of his lunch sandwiches were still partially frozen.

    I’m guessing if the meal has fish, which isn’t considered meat (it’s neutral), it might also have milk products included.

    I don’t know if that helps you or not. As we all know, airplane food is as best mediocre, and as some of us know, almost all kosher food is mediocre as well.

    My joke is, white people see Asians eating in Chinese restaurant and declare, “The food must be good, Chinese eat there,” but nobody looks in the window of a kosher restaurant and says, “The food must be good, look at all those black hats” (code for ultra-orthodox). As economics teaches us, when you have a monopoly, there is no pressure to aim for quality.

    Safe travels to you!

  51. 51.

    eclare

    July 31, 2025 at 10:06 am

    @Soprano2:

    Stephen Colbert calls him out, and his show was canceled.  Sigh.  I have watched him eviscerate Republicans since 2005, I hope he continues to do so in some way.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 10:06 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I saw the news reporting this morning that Trump is screwing Modi over on tariffs.

  53. 53.

    RevRick

    July 31, 2025 at 10:06 am

    @H.E.Wolf: The AMA and the AHA are singing a very different tune now.

  54. 54.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 10:07 am

    @zhena gogolia: I hate that this happened. I know some people here are happy about it, but I think it’s better to have a mixture of thoughts and ideas and to talk about them. I don’t like the personal attacks, though. I think it’s not great for people to isolate themselves in smaller and smaller bubbles.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 10:08 am

    @Soprano2:

    When you’re insecure, you can debate yourself.

  56. 56.

    prostratedragon

    July 31, 2025 at 10:09 am

    An Uruguayan tango: “Matasano,” Francisco Canaro.

  57. 57.

    RevRick

    July 31, 2025 at 10:09 am

    @Librettist: King Cnut and tides. Or in this case, the bond market.

  58. 58.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:09 am

    @Baud: Of course he is. Modi is a typical bully, kiss up and kick down, what else did he expect. Modi is getting dragged on Indian Twitter for being too trusting.

  59. 59.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 10:10 am

    @Steve in the ATL: Thanks. I hope Raven’s health  (such as it is) is holding up.

  60. 60.

    frosty

    July 31, 2025 at 10:12 am

    @stinger: I’m like you, 95% of my news is from Balloon-Juice. I don’t know how the usual news sources spin what FFOTUS is doing because I never see them. Well, except for the Guardian.

  61. 61.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:12 am

    @Ohio Mom: Thanks that’s helpful. I am a pretty adventurous eater and the kosher aisle in the grocery store fits your description of kosher food.

    I saw a kosher meal served by Turkish airlines and it looked delicious. Hence my question.

  62. 62.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 10:17 am

    @schrodingers_cat: Isn’t all Turkish food scrumptious?

    I’m going to guess that appetizing kosher food on Turkish airplanes is somehow related to the raised consciousness that comes with keeping Halal.

  63. 63.

    jimmiraybob

    July 31, 2025 at 10:22 am

    The Felonius F. Predatorius Memorial Center for the Performing Arts.

    I don’t know, it kinda pops, don’t ya think?

  64. 64.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:23 am

    @Ohio Mom: Delta has a Halal option too. I love Turkish food. I had a Turkish housemate, who was a great cook.

  65. 65.

    prostratedragon

    July 31, 2025 at 10:34 am

    @Baud:

    Derek Guy:

    The 25% tariff on Indian imports announced today means this sort of craftsmanship is further out of reach for Americans. And there’s simply no US substitute.

    He illustrated the point in this thread from late last year:

    When people think of menswear crafted with a high-degree of workmanship, they think of places such as France, Italy, and the UK. Some may think of Japan. But few will think of India, even though some of the most incredible workmanship is happening there now. Let me show you. 🧵

  66. 66.

    H.E.Wolf

    July 31, 2025 at 10:40 am

    @schrodingers_cat: ​
     Sending my warmest sympathies on the anniversary of your loss.

  67. 67.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 10:41 am

    @H.E.Wolf: Thanks so much.

  68. 68.

    opiejeanne

    July 31, 2025 at 10:42 am

    @frosty: Me too. I come here, read the posts and maybe a few comments. Then I go and do something else, because I feel powerless to do much about the chaos of the current maladministration; I try to do good things where I am, one small thing at a time.

  69. 69.

    opiejeanne

    July 31, 2025 at 10:44 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    May her memory  bring you peace.

  70. 70.

    eclare

    July 31, 2025 at 10:48 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    Anniversaries are so hard.

  71. 71.

    TONYG

    July 31, 2025 at 10:51 am

    @satby: I had never heard of the “Katie Johnson” lawsuit until now.  I wonder why this was not MAJOR NEWS back in 2016.  If I didn’t know better I might suspect that the corporate media really wants Trump and the Republicans to be in charge.

  72. 72.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    July 31, 2025 at 10:51 am

    @lowtechcyclist: Television doesn’t already give them plenty of that [drama]?

    500 channels and there’s nothing on.

  73. 73.

    TONYG

    July 31, 2025 at 10:52 am

    @Ohio Mom: Being neither Jewish nor Muslim, I do not know the difference between kosher food and halal food.  Maybe there’s not much difference at all.

  74. 74.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    July 31, 2025 at 10:53 am

    @schrodingers_cat: safe travels and best wishes.

  75. 75.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2025 at 10:53 am

    @Mr. Bemused Senior

    Newton Minow calling on line1.
    ;)

  76. 76.

    prostratedragon

    July 31, 2025 at 10:56 am

    From the representation for the plaintiffs:

    Tomorrow at 10 a.m. EDT, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit will hear oral arguments in the Liberty Justice Center’s legal challenge to the Trump Administration’s unconstitutional and devastating “Liberation Day” tariffs.

    Following the hearing, the Liberty Justice Center will host a 2:00 p.m. EDT media roundtable to discuss the case’s progress, the results of the hearing, and next steps in the lawsuit. Members of the press can register for the event and submit questions in advance here.

  77. 77.

    Fair Economist

    July 31, 2025 at 11:08 am

    @schrodingers_cat:

    What are kosher meals on Delta international flights like? I have become  supersensitive to lactose, especially milk and cream and some cheeses.

    Can you use the Lactaid pills?

    I’ve had Delta vegetarian meals and they were a bit bland but OK.

  78. 78.

    schrodingers_cat

    July 31, 2025 at 11:12 am

    @Fair Economist: Never tried them so IDK.

  79. 79.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 11:22 am

    @Baud: Sure, but you have to admit that there were some vicious personal attacks that contributed to the situation. I’m not sure I’d want to put up with that either.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    July 31, 2025 at 11:30 am

    @Soprano2:

    Sorry. That was an attempt at a joke, referring to people second guessing themselves. I wasn’t attempting to comment on the recent kerfuffle.

  81. 81.

    Geminid

    July 31, 2025 at 11:32 am

    @TONYG: I wonder how important halal food is in Turkiye. It’s a fairly secular society, and most observant Muslims there follow Sufi traditions that are looser than in many other Muslim nations.

    But this is something I want to learn more about. I intend to once all the strife in that region settles down. I’m pretty much fixated on day-to-day events now.

  82. 82.

    Geminid

    July 31, 2025 at 11:37 am

    @Soprano2: Well, I’m not happy about Kay and Momsense leaving. I clashed with Kay plenty, but I still respected her and was sorry to see her go. I guess a few people are happy she’s gone but I’m not one of them.

  83. 83.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 11:42 am

    @TONYG: People who follow Halal can eat Kosher meat and other Kosher foods, but not always (one sticking point is if alcohol was used in the recipe, alcohol being prohibited); but Halal meat is not Kosher. There are a lot of picayune rules in each tradition.

    Add to that that in contemporary times, there are a lot of personal variations in observance. If you’ve ever heard the term “cafeteria Catholic,” that applies at least to many American Jews’ observance of Kashrut (keeping Kosher), I can’t speak to how Halal is observed in America but I suspect it is the same.

    If you dig deep enough, there are beautiful ideas underpinning keeping Kosher, especially that if we are going to kill animals to feed ourselves, we should do it in the most painless way possible, we owe the animal our kindness and gratitude. We should take a moment to thank the universe for providing us with what we need to nourish and sustain ourselves (it’s a little New-Agey in some respects).

    In real life, the animals (and the workers doing the slaughtering and butchering) are not treated well, the whole thing has devolved into an extortion racket.

    Ohio Dad lives a conflicted life, knowing Kosher meat is a racket but invested in keeping this part of his heritage alive.

  84. 84.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 11:46 am

    @Geminid: Me too. Looking back, the entire ketfluffle seems inane. *That* was the breaking point?

    Oh well, water over the dam and under the bridge, no use in relitigating that.

  85. 85.

    Scout211

    July 31, 2025 at 11:56 am

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed yet, but Kamala Harris has a book.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Former Vice President Kamala Harris will have a memoir out in the fall on her historic presidential run.

    The book is called “107 Days,” the length of her abbreviated campaign, and will be published by Simon & Schuster on Sept. 23.

    “Just over a year ago, I launched my campaign for President of the United States,” Harris said in a video announcement on Thursday. “107 days traveling the country, fighting for our future — the shortest presidential campaign in modern history. Since leaving office, I’ve spent a lot of time reflecting on those days and with candor and reflection, I’ve written a behind-the-scenes account of that journey. I believe there’s value in sharing what I saw, what I learned, and what it will take to move forward.”

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2025 at 11:56 am

    @Ohio Mom

    Traversed an aisle in a supermarket in NY several years ago. The left side was all halal. the right side all kosher. Much overlap in foodstuffs but not in branding.

    Incidentally, the minuscule kosher section (blink and you’ll miss it) at Safeway here on Maui still has devotional candles with depictions of Jesus on them displayed right next to the boxes of maztzo.. Head/desk.

  87. 87.

    Professor Bigfoot

    July 31, 2025 at 12:01 pm

    @Baud:

    @schrodingers_cat:

    I’ve definitely cut my online time down; finding more interesting things to do with my time.

    Like my new pistol— great googly goo, that thang is a BLAST to shoot, especially for it being so small.

    Also tinkering on the car- gotta pull the dash panel sometime and replace some backlight bulbs and maybe cajole the LEDs into displaying properly.

    Keeps me occupied.

    Oh, and working out. I’m actually starting to enjoy it; which makes me look in the mirror to say “who the hell are you, and what have you done with me?” ;)

    We’ve stockpiled food, the freezer’s nearly full, I’ve been talking to the neighbors and building rapport because y’all, when the shit hits the fan, we will absolutely be on our own.

  88. 88.

    Suzanne

    July 31, 2025 at 12:04 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    I can’t speak to how Halal is observed in America but I suspect it is the same. 

    Having overheard many of my Muslim colleagues say things like when we sit down for lunch, “Eh, there’s some bacon…. God won’t care if it’s just a little”, I think it’s very similar.

  89. 89.

    Professor Bigfoot

    July 31, 2025 at 12:09 pm

    @Ohio Mom:almost all kosher food is mediocre as well

    I watched a Jewish (I think he was actually Israeli- and of course I can’t remember his name but he was one of those dudes who does not want to be mistaken for a white dude; like “I’m a proud Jew and if you don’t like it fuck you too” which I just love to see) chef “Beat Bobby Flay” with his matzoh ball soup, so there’s gotta be some serious fire, there!

    (Bobby will take YOUR signature dish and make it better than you, I’ve watched it happen many, many times. Always leaves me hungry, too)

    Went to visit a Jewish deli I used to go to up in Cleveland and it’s gone now… and there just aren’t any around here.

  90. 90.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2025 at 12:15 pm

    @Suzanne

    True story.

    One grandfather, with a loosely kosher upbringing, on first tasting shrimp chow mein.

    “Where has this been all my life?”

  91. 91.

    NotMax

    July 31, 2025 at 12:20 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot

    One word: cholent.

    Slow cooking before slow cookers.

  92. 92.

    Harrison Wesley

    July 31, 2025 at 12:21 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Have you checked out Local Harvest for food sources in your area? That’s where I found the CSA I belong to.

  93. 93.

    sab

    July 31, 2025 at 12:23 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: You are lucky. I am prerty sure our neighbors will be on the other side.

  94. 94.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 12:25 pm

    @NotMax: When we lived in Dayton, the supermarket in our neighborhood put out honey cakes for Passover. I thought maybe they’d been in the freezer since the fall and the store manager was looking forward to finally unloading them, one Jewish holiday looking like another to him.

    It’s good character development to be periodically reminded you really are a member of a minority group.

  95. 95.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 12:28 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Oh, home cooking is its own category, assuming the cook is a good cook.

  96. 96.

    Ohio Mom

    July 31, 2025 at 12:29 pm

    @sab: Hey, what was your happy news yesterday? If you shared it, I missed it, and this thread is as light-hearted as it gets around here.

  97. 97.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 31, 2025 at 12:30 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: my favorite restaurant in Cleveland was Greenhouse Tavern downtown, which closed during Covid.  May possibly not have been Jewish or kosher since one menu item was an entire pig’s head. Chicago jackals can debate whether it’s ok to put ketchup on that or just onions and mustard.

  98. 98.

    gvg

    July 31, 2025 at 12:48 pm

    @schrodingers_cat: Right now it is. They really didn’t need a tax cut combined with so much harm to regular people who didn’t think they were so vulnerable. I don’t think the bomb has exploded yet either.

  99. 99.

    Soprano2

    July 31, 2025 at 2:03 pm

    @Ohio Mom: I think it was the incessant personal attacks from some posters that was the breaking point.

  100. 100.

    Miss Bianca

    July 31, 2025 at 2:07 pm

    @Scout211: And unlike, say, Manchin’s, this one may actually get read./

  101. 101.

    New Deal democrat

    July 31, 2025 at 5:57 pm

    Test

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