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Saturday Morning Open Thread: Keep the Faith

by Anne Laurie|  September 20, 20255:49 am| 240 Comments

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nothing rich white guys like more than being schooled by a black man, it’s part of why we are here right now
this man of color deigned to be charming and thoughtful, no choice but to be a nazi. not my fault.

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— not an art thief (@famousartthief.bsky.social) September 20, 2025 at 12:11 AM

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Trump is not popular, and Trump’s agenda is less popular than Trump

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— Lawyers, Guns and Money (@lawgunsmoney.bsky.social) September 19, 2025 at 3:39 PM

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republicans mad that it didn’t become 2019 again

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) September 19, 2025 at 12:35 PM

nine months in, thirty-nine to go. half expect vaughn or vance or some other admin stooge to look straight into the camera and say “we didn’t tell you that you would enjoy it”

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— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachine.com) September 19, 2025 at 1:09 PM

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The difference between having ideas that are considered radical and being very into Being Radical is that the former hates the fact their beliefs are marginal and the latter get off on it. Yeah, I don’t wanna be a righteous oppressed underdog. Shit sucks. I do want to be the state. I do want power.

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— William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social) September 19, 2025 at 1:52 PM

The difference between having ideas that are considered radical and being very into Being Radical is that the former hates the fact their beliefs are marginal and the latter get off on it. Yeah, I don’t wanna be a righteous oppressed underdog. Shit sucks. I do want to be the state. I do want power.

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— William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social) September 19, 2025 at 1:52 PM

If abolishing the senate and greatly restricting private car ownership began polling well, it would be a good thing. it would not be like someone discovering my favorite underground band and the new audience diluting their appeal to me.

— William B. Fuckley (@opinionhaver.bsky.social) September 19, 2025 at 4:08 PM

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ppl who say we’re cooked or nothing matters or that we won’t have future elections or that what’s happening now will be what happens forevermore are not only telling you they have basically no historical knowledge but also that they can’t distinguish “the end of my world” from “the end of the world”

— elias isquith (@eliasisquith.blog) September 19, 2025 at 4:13 PM


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    1. 1.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 5:53 am

      no choice but to be a nazi.

      Only Dems have agency.

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    2. 2.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 6:04 am

      This is the post that Fuckley is responding to, for those who don’t want to or can’t log into Blue sky

      That isn’t how you spell Zinn. The left shouldn’t use symbols of genocide and injustice in the fight against injustice. We are for the oppressed people not the state. You don’t win by trying to get your enemy’s respect.

      Even with this context, however, I don’t know what these people are saying.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 6:08 am

      they can’t distinguish “the end of my world” from “the end of the world”

      I can’t speak to the accuracy of that diagnosis for the group to which it’s applied above, but there’s a lot of that going around in general!

      On a personal note, I slept nearly eight hours last night! I should go dig a canal or something.

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 6:11 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Whoa. Congratulations

      ETA:

      Nazis are bad.

      Me not being the dominant force in post-Nazi America is worse.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:21 am

      @Baud: I think it’s clearer down thread of the quoted post:

      ‪queen cryptid‬: I am once again reminding very online socialists that if your politics are supposed to be about the interests of the common people, you do actually have to care about what those people think.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:24 am

      @Betty Cracker: Good for you! When I do that it’s positively disorienting, like I’ve missed that essential “sitting around from 3-6 am doing nothing” and my day seems off kilter. 😉

      Reply
    7. 7.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:26 am

      Weekend watch, It’s science!

      Interesting deep dive: How Small Can You Make a Nuclear Weapon?.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 6:30 am

      @satby: Yes, exactly! 😂

      Reply
    9. 9.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:31 am

      @Betty Cracker

      Eight hours? Slugabed.
      :)

      Am ecstatic when I get four.

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    10. 10.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:34 am

      @NotMax: 4 is my hoped for minimum. But then I really look forward to a siesta those days too. I never understood before why older people napped and now I’m one of them 😂

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    11. 11.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 20, 2025 at 6:34 am

      @Betty Cracker: You fortunate human, you!

      I’m only here because I gave up on trying to sleep after the fifth bathroom trip. Bleah.

      AND IT’S STILL FREAKIN’ PITCH DARK OUT THERE!!!

      Double bleah.

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    12. 12.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:36 am

      @satby

      Yup yup. Napping has become my treasured best friend.

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 6:37 am

      This is… interesting:

      Sinclair pulls Charlie Kirk documentary from ABC affiliates
      “Celebrity Family Feud” aired in place of the documentary, which streamed on YouTube instead.

      My guess is they pulled it because a documentary with significant quotes from Kirk would reveal that he held extremist views that would be repugnant to normal people.

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    14. 14.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:37 am

      Cole’s other girlfriend Bitchleen is sitting on my lap pinning me down and my coffee just finished brewing. Sorry cat, priorities.

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    15. 15.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:41 am

      @Betty Cracker: interesting in a good way. They thought they could whitewash his NAZI views with the Xtian content and turn him into a martyr, but it didn’t really succeed. Outside their cult anyway.

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    16. 16.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:43 am

      @satby

      Sitting here debating on a second double martini (after a post-prandial nap).

      Magic 8-ball sez: “Of course, dumbass.”

      Reply
    17. 17.

      mali muso

      September 20, 2025 at 6:44 am

      Good morning! Up to challenge myself at my gym by participating in a “Dri Tri” in which we will row for 2,000 meters, do 300 body weight exercises (squats, burpees, etc) and finish it off with a 5k on the treadmill. Wish me luck! 🤣

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    18. 18.

      CCL

      September 20, 2025 at 6:45 am

      Does Mike Johnson use blusher?

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      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:47 am

      @mali muso: OMG, just reading that almost sent me back to bed. Good luck 🍀

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    20. 20.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:48 am

      @CCL: he might, but rosacea looks like that too.

      Reply
    21. 21.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 6:50 am

      @mali muso:

      I could do that if I wanted to. I just don’t want to.

      Reply
    22. 22.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 6:50 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      Fascinating.

      Reply
    23. 23.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 20, 2025 at 6:50 am

      @mali muso: Thanks, now I really feel like crap– my challenge is simply to GET to the gym and get in a half hour on the treadmill and right now I don’t think I’m up to it!

      GOOD ON YOU!!

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    24. 24.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:52 am

      @CCL

      Flushed after watching Real Housewives of Biarritz.

      “Strictly for research purposes.”
      //

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    25. 25.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:53 am

      Coffee ☕ ummm! Now waiting for it to get light enough to feed the cat my neighbors across the street abandoned when they moved a few days ago. We’re going to try to trap it, she’s very skittish. Poor thing, people are untrustworthy in her experience.

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      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 6:54 am

      @satby: Yes, I think that’s right. The gap between Kirk’s public image and reality was brought home to me the other day. An apolitical and not excessively online friend brought up Kirk’s death the day after it happened, and it was clear she knew almost nothing about his views. She had a vague impression of him as “that conservative ‘Debate Me’ guy.”

      Kudos to everyone with a platform who used the deceased’s own words to accurately show who he was.

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    27. 27.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 6:56 am

      @Betty Cracker: just another lesson in how the extremely online media confuses that environment with the real world. Klein was just hopping onto what he assumed would be a bandwagon.

      Which I also think is the theme of the BS posts up top.

      Reply
    28. 28.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      September 20, 2025 at 6:57 am

      Sadly, it’s been only 8 months since January 20, not 9. So 40 more to go

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    29. 29.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 6:58 am

      @satby:

      I regret not waiting a week before purchasing my Charlie Kirk Memorial Bobblehead.

      Reply
    30. 30.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 6:59 am

      @Betty Cracker

      All one has to do is watch any random five minutes of Turning Points’ White is Might, White Is Right 2024 summer event,

      Bring a barf bag. Or two.

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    31. 31.

      Llelldorin

      September 20, 2025 at 7:01 am

      @satby: What originated that thread was a powerful photo of a protestor waving an American flag in a cloud of tear gas at a ICE protest. It was posted with a comment along the lines of “this is why you carry American flags to protests.”

      That in turn led to a lot of silly scolding along the lines of “no the American flag represents evil we should instead use (some preferred flag).”

      The quoted post was the finale of all that.

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    32. 32.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 7:01 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: and 8 months ago the Republicans were riding high, convinced they were invincible. Which is always their undoing. Honestly thought the disillusionment would take longer because they’d be smarter about putting their agenda in place. In only 8 months, they’ve trashed their brand with everyone outside the cultists, and there’s cracks there too.

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    33. 33.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 7:03 am

      @Llelldorin: thanks for the fuller context! Makes more sense now. Plus, that’s really the kind of discussion that would bring the agitator trolls out in force.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 7:04 am

      @Llelldorin:

      Yeah, that’s dumb advice. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one needs to treat it seriously.

      Reply
    35. 35.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 7:07 am

      @satby

      Everything old is new again.

      There’s an old joke about a pet food manufacturer that mounts an all out marketing campaign for its new brand of dog food. It pulls out all the stops. Celebrity endorsements. Super Bowl Ad. You name it. But sales tank. The CEO calls the head of marketing onto the carpet and demands an explanation for the appalling sales. The marketing guy answers: “It’s those damn dogs. They just won’t eat the stuff.”

      ;)

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    36. 36.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 7:08 am

      @Baud: But you have all you need for a symbolic Charlie Kirk Memorial warlock burning.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 7:10 am

      @NotMax: 😂👏

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Llelldorin

      September 20, 2025 at 7:14 am

      @Baud: I got my flu/COVID vaccinations yesterday and was watching it all happen live on BlueSky with a mild fever. It was like a hallucinatory vision of Parody Left Wing Hell (which I still prefer to the actual Authoritarian Right Wing Hell that was waiting when the fever broke, so…)

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    39. 39.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 7:16 am

      @satby:

      Now I want to get more bobbleheads of living Republicans and practice some voodoo.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Princess

      September 20, 2025 at 7:19 am

      @Baud: I believe the “symbol of genocide and injustice” is the flag of the United States. I believe the complaint is the performative left won’t fly it but the left that wants to change the world thinks protestors should carry it. The second group is right — the most viral photo out of Chicago yesterday, the best of any of the ice protests so far — was of a Marine vet carrying a flag.
      (maybe you know this context Baud but I post in case anyone else needs it)

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    41. 41.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 7:22 am

      @Baud

      ♫ You do
      That voodoo
      That you do
      So well ♫

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Jeffro

      September 20, 2025 at 7:23 am

      @Betty Cracker:My guess is they pulled it because a documentary with significant quotes from Kirk would reveal that he held extremist views that would be repugnant to normal people.

      right??!?

      like…we didn’t make this stuff up, RWNJs!  he really was a white supremacist, no matter how much y’all would like to pretend otherwise

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    43. 43.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 7:24 am

      @Princess: You have a better chance at changing what the flag represents than changing the flag, itself.

      Reply
    44. 44.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 7:27 am

      @Dorothy A. Winsor: I just saw this post from SubStack, and thought you’d find it reassuring. I hope you do, I often find Fr. David a calming voice even though I’m not at all religious. Like our Rev Rick.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @iKropoclast

      “I’ve signed an executive order changing the stars on the flag to capital Ts.”
      //

      Reply
    46. 46.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 7:30 am

      @NotMax: Gross. And can he do that? How is the flag established in law?

      Reply
    47. 47.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 7:35 am

      Musical interlude.

      Michael Nyman, Chasing Sheep is Best Left to Shepherds.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 7:39 am

      @iKropoclast

      “I am the law.”
      – Judge Dredd
      .

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Llelldorin

      September 20, 2025 at 7:48 am

      @Jeffro: They had two choices:

      (1) Really show Charlie Kirk, which would demonstrate that we were right.

      (2) Make the Charlie Kirk was Jesus’s 13th Apostle Hagiography Hour.

      I think the key thing is that either would be TERRIBLE TELEVISION, and would really piss off the vast apolitical mob who have no idea what a tariff is (or what a Canada is, for that matter) but might actually riot at Trump Take Funny Man In Box On Wall.

      (There’s a reason why suddenly Ted Cruz isn’t sure about all this. He’s… actually less stupid than a lot of his colleagues? Who knew?)

      Reply
    50. 50.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 7:49 am

      @NotMax:

      This?

      m.youtube.com/watch?v=xn1_vUe_Vws&pp=ygUnY2hhc2luZyBzaGVlcCBpcyBiZXN0IGxlZnQgdG8gc2hlcGhlcmRz

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Interesting Name Goes Here

      September 20, 2025 at 7:51 am

      @satby: Good luck with that.  They’ve already moved on from Kimmel and Disney back to making sure everyone knows that Kamala Harris is trash for telling her side of her story and not going out and getting herself killed at their demand.

      Reply
    52. 52.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 7:53 am

      This abstract group of people I hate is definitely doing things I don’t like and it’s these precise things I say they are..

      It’s easy to denigrate whole groups of people if you don’t put a name or a quote to any of it. So much for all this talk about meeting people where they’re at, I guess.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Scout211

      September 20, 2025 at 8:02 am

      Some leaks are leaking.  Leftist views? Left-wing groups? That connection is getting weaker and weaker.

      NBC    The federal investigation into the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has yet to find a link between the alleged shooter, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson, and left-wing groups on which President Donald Trump and his administration have pledged to crack down after the killing, three sources familiar with the probe told NBC News.

      One person familiar with the federal investigation said that “thus far, there is no evidence connecting the suspect with any left-wing groups.”

      “Every indication so far is that this was one guy who did one really bad thing because he found Kirk’s ideology personally offensive,” this person continued.

      In addition, two of the people familiar with the probe said it may be difficult to charge Robinson at the federal level for Kirk’s killing, while the third source said there is still an expectation that some kind of federal charge is filed against Robinson.

      Factors that have complicated the effort to bring charges at the federal level include that Robinsin, a Utah resident, did not travel from out of state; Kirk was shot during an open campus debate at Utah Valley University. Additionally, Kirk himself is not a federal officer or elected official, further complicating the matter.

      And mainstream media is reporting facts.

      Since 2002, right-wing ideologies have fueled more than 70% of all extremist attacks and domestic terrorism plots in the United States, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

      The Justice Department also said in a study last year that the number of far-right attacks in this country continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. The study was removed from the Justice Department website in the past few days, according to 404 Media.

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    54. 54.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:02 am

      @iKropoclast:

      If there in fact people who are upset that Harris isn’t dead, then we’re not going to meet them even a tenth of the way.

      If no such people exist, then no one had been denigrated.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:03 am

      @Scout211: they’ll probably try for some sort of civil rights violation. My guess.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Another Scott

      September 20, 2025 at 8:05 am

      AL quotes clever opinion haver having opinion:

      nothing rich white guys like more than being schooled by a black man, it’s part of why we are here right now

      this man of color deigned to be charming and thoughtful, no choice but to be a nazi. not my fault.

      That’s one way to look at it, but I think it misses the forest for the trees.

      The head of the FBI didn’t put his dirty boot on the scale to keep Obama out of office.

      The richest man in the world didn’t dump $250M in the last couple of months of the campaign to keep Obama out of office.

      Etc.

      As much as rich white guys who want to be worshipped hated a thoughtful black guy telling them his administration “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks”, they could work with him. (And he was a very handy “other” to point to as a foe.)

      Similarly with angry normie white guys whose lives didn’t turn out the way they were told and expected they would.

      They went insane at the thought of girls having power over them and their team.

      “Change my mind.”

      Grr…

      FWIW.

      Have a good weekend, everyone.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 8:07 am

      @NotMax

      Bad linky. Fix.

      Michael Nyman, Chasing Sheep is Best Left to Shepherds.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 8:10 am

      @prostratedragon

      Fumble fingers thank you. Didn’t see that when made the fix above.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:12 am

      @Another Scott:

      I think Obama drove a lot of the insane. But the insanity didn’t stop with him. And there are definitely a lot of men who are more inclined to hate women leaders more than black leaders.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      espierce

      September 20, 2025 at 8:13 am

      @Llelldorin:

      Ted still believes he’s presidential material, somehow.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 8:14 am

      @Baud: Utter nonsense. The idea there is to put the idea that “online socialists” want Harris to shut up and/or die. The goal is to place that little grain of doubt in others’ minds to justify not so much as considering anything the hated group says.

      It’s propaganda. It’s the same thing Republicans do to Democrats every day. Innuendo and assertions “they” want something that no one is asking for except for maybe BluHairPxy420 on Twitter.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:14 am

      @espierce:

      He’ll fall back in line after Trump insults his wife.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Shakti

      September 20, 2025 at 8:14 am

      @Betty Cracker: 

      This also serves the 95 Democrats who voted to honor the life of Charlie Kirk

      The roll call list: Roll Call 282

      95 Dems voted for this
      58 Dems voted against this
      38 voted present
      22 not voting

      Most Dems voted for this.

      The only people voting present were Democrats. (Hi Nancy Pelosi).

      I’m not sure what to make of.the 22 not voting ( I assume the 4 not voting Republicans just happened not to be there)

      They obviously aren’t trying to take back the bouse. And in the Senate, Schumer, BTW, is still on his book tour and will be at the Atlanta Book Fair on November 2 from 7:30-9:30 pm.

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    64. 64.

      Scout211

      September 20, 2025 at 8:16 am

      Screen Rant  on Disney’s dilemma now.

      Disney Is Scrambling After The Backlash To Jimmy Kimmel’s Cancellation Blew Up

      TL;DR: Everybody is mad, including senior management at Disney.  They have few options to fix this. And it may be too late.

      Among the growing chorus of people calling for a full Disney boycott, a quieter question arises: whether Disney could simply choose to move Jimmy Kimmel Live! to its Disney+ streaming platform and thus reinstate him. On the surface, it seems logical. If the pressure is coming from Nexstar and Sinclair regarding their ABC affiliate stations, then moving Kimmel to a platform other than ABC would satisfy their concerns.

      In reality, though, moving Kimmel to a new platform won’t resolve the issue, as it doesn’t address the actual underlying motivation underpinning the entire mess: government censorship. The pressure isn’t actually coming through Nexstar and Sinclair, but from the FCC and Trump himself, and nothing short of Kimmel being canceled – or, at the very least, having to publicly apologize to Trump – will suffice.

      Disney could move Kimmel to Disney+, and the minute the late-night host said something even remotely critical of the President, Disney would find itself right back in the same situation. Even if Jimmy Kimmel did do everything Disney has asked of him – apologize to Kirk’s family, donate to Turning Point, and tone down his rhetoric of Trump, which is almost certainly not going to happen – the damage is already done.

      By bending the knee, Disney has shown its weakness and broken trust with its employees and consumers in a way that can’t easily be rebuilt. For many, it will never be. The longer Disney spins its wheels on doing right by Jimmy Kimmel Live! – and by the First Amendment – the more it risks doing permanent damage to its brand. The fury of the backlash, however, suggests it may already be too late.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      mappy!

      September 20, 2025 at 8:18 am

      Something seems out of whack. If white supremacist ownership and control of the (mainstream) media was so effective, why would the message be tanking in polls?

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Betty

      September 20, 2025 at 8:18 am

      @Scout211: Hey, NBC, it’s not complicated. Murder is a state crime. States retain the police power within their jurisdiction, a fundamental principle based on the US Constitution. No federal involvement means no federal jurisdiction. That’s also why sending in the National Guard and the military to address crime makes no sense.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:19 am

      @iKropoclast:

      Well. I don’t know what’s in that commenter’s heart or what he or she is reacting to. I do know there are awful posts on on social media from all sides. You yourself will have made generic statements about “Democrats” without identifying specific people. I suppose it’s all propaganda.

      But I was reacting to your statement about reaching out to people, since I talked about that yesterday. So I’ll be clear that not everyone is worth reaching out to. I don’t expect we’ll reach out to die hard MAGA or fascists. And I don’t expect we’ll reach out to people who have a negative reaction to flying the US flag in protests against fascists.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      Interesting Name Goes Here

      September 20, 2025 at 8:19 am

      @iKropoclast: If they wanted to be considered, they should have voted to stop this last November.  They are running from their own responsibilities and demanding everyone else sacrifice for them.  I’ve played that game once.  No more.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 8:22 am

      Speaking of flags, from Levant24:

         Syrian Foreign Minister Asaad al-Shaibani raised the Syria flag over the embassy building in Washington, marking the reopening of the diplomatic mission after a hiatus of 11 years.

      An accompanying video shows a small crowd with Syrian flags, clapping and cheering.

      In 2009, when Asaad al-Shaibani graduated from Damascus University with a degree in English Language and Literature, he probably dreamed of visiting the U.S. some day. But not like this.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      JerseyBeard

      September 20, 2025 at 8:23 am

      The second Trump flag came down last night.

      I walk the dog on a pretty regular route. Two weeks or so back, I noticed the Trump and American flags down a typical mid-Jersey MAGA house. Their flag pole is a bit busted, so I figured 50/50 it was disillusionment vs maintenance. But it has stayed down this whole time.

      This morning, the Trump Vance flag was down at a second, even more MAGA house. These guys had the Let’s Go Brandon crap up for years and stuff like that. No signs up at all today.

      I’m no fancy pundit, but I think it’s probably better to have more signs rather than fewer.

      Reply
    71. 71.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      Christoph von Dohnányi:

      Dvořák: 8 Slavonic Dances, Op. 46: No. 1 in C; The Cleveland Orchestra

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    72. 72.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here:

      I don’t excuse anyone who didn’t fight with us, but who is “they” exactly?

      I’m not opposed to talking about groups of people without using #NotAll, but I’ll agree with Krope that being more precise about who were talking about would be helpful.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Spanky

      September 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      Elect a clown, expect a circus. Via Wired:

      RFK Jr.’s Vaccine Panel Votes Down Its Own Proposal to Require Prescriptions for Covid-19 Shots

      In a chaotic meeting, ACIP voted not to recommend a prescription requirement for Covid-19 vaccines. Some panelists seemed unaware of the point of the meeting, while others went on strange tangents.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      zhena gogolia

      September 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      @mappy!: It was effective enough to put a felon rapist con man back in the White House after he attacked the Capitol.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Mai Naem mobile

      September 20, 2025 at 8:25 am

      Anybody heard of the Enhanced Games

      apnews.com/article/kerley-enhanced-games-1871da27b978f7ff83d022fe5ee62531

      They want to let athletes compete while doping.  I did a little searching. Ofcourse its the same tech bros people involved.  Is there anything they touch that they don’t ruin?

      Reply
    76. 76.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 8:26 am

      @Scout211: By bending the knee, Disney has shown its weakness and broken trust with its employees and consumers in a way that can’t easily be rebuilt.

      Building trust is hard. Another organization that long ago broke my trust, the NYT, I still go there to check the headlines and get a general sense of national stories. I do not pay to subscribe.

      I’ve been noticing lately a lot of their headlines have been more straightforward, dropping a lot of the false ambiguities. This is good. A couple more years of this and I may consider becoming a subscriber again. If that timetable for liking up new subscribers doesn’t work for them and they give up this effort, oh well, should’ve thought of that before.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:27 am

      @zhena gogolia:

      Agree. Unlike election season, there’s no foil in the form of a Democrat to help distract people. With all the focus on Trump, it’s easier for unhappy people to see him as the problem.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 8:29 am

      @Mai Naem mobile

      Brolympics?
      //

      Reply
    79. 79.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 8:32 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here: If they wanted to be considered, they should have voted to stop this last November

      I’m sure most, in fact, did. But it’s easy to lose track of that as you inveighing against a nebulous “they.”

      Meanwhile, it remains okay to chase white racists. Dems running away from BLM so hard, Biden saw fit to denounce their goals in the state of the union.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 8:33 am

      @Shakti:

         They obviously aren’t trying to take back the the House.

      I don’t know how you get that conclusion. Winning a majority next November is absolutely the top priority of House Democrats from the leadershio team of Jeffries, Clark and Aguilar right down to the freshman class.

      This vote will not be an issue then, and most voters will have never even heard of it.

      Reply
    81. 81.

      Scout211

      September 20, 2025 at 8:36 am

      Have we discussed Trump’s “proclamation” to raise the cost of H-1B visas?

      WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Friday signed a proclamation that will require a $100,000 annual visa fee for highly-skilled foreign workers and rolled out a $1 million “gold card” visa as a pathway to U.S. citizenship for wealthy individuals, moves that face near-certain legal challenges amid widespread criticism he is sidestepping Congress.

      If the moves survive legal muster, they will deliver staggering price increases. The visa fee for skilled workers would jump from $215. The fee for investor visas, which are common in many European countries, would climb from $10,000-$20,000 a year.

      . . .

      Trump on Friday insisted that the tech industry would not oppose the move. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick said “all big companies” are on board.

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    82. 82.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 8:36 am

      @Geminid:

      Yeah, I don’t like those votes personally, but I don’t think reps who don’t do what I want are trying to lose. That’s just conceit.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      indycat32

      September 20, 2025 at 8:37 am

      @satby: I have a similar situation except the 3 abandoned cats are very friendly and try to come inside every time I open the back door.  One of them is a tiny (8 pounds) long hair dilute tortie.  Absolutely gorgeous.  I tried bringing her inside but my sweet Chloe Ann attacked her every chance she got so that didn’t work.

      Reply
    84. 84.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 8:38 am

      @Geminid: You’re probably right that the vote won’t be an issue in the next election (which will likely be a reaction to Trump/Repub mismanagement of… everything). But why vote yes on that fucking hagiographic bullshit? Why assume a defensive crouch that is demoralizing to a not-insignificant percentage of Dem voters who ARE paying attention? It won’t affect how I vote, but I recognize it for the cowardice it is.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 8:42 am

      @Betty Cracker

      An “I’ll scratch your back, now you scratch mine” ploy to gain leverage about the impending shutdown?

      Won’t work, but that’s my hypothesis.

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 20, 2025 at 8:44 am

      Good mornin’, ya’ll!

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Scout211

      September 20, 2025 at 8:45 am

      @Spanky: As I commented yesterday, the panel recommendations could have been so much worse with the new panel being hand- picked by RFK,jr.  I wouldn’t have been surprised if they declared all mRNA vaccines poison and then recommended vitamin supplements instead.

      The fact that they dropped the prescription requirement and  did not drop health insurance coverage for vaccinations, it turned out better than I had feared.

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Mai Naem mobile

      September 20, 2025 at 8:49 am

      @Scout211: I saw that.  Leopard eating face party moment for Muskrat. Now would be a good time for somebody to check and see if Orange Manbaby’s vineyard is still using  foreign workers(I know it’s not H1Bs.)  It might help get  some of the Magat farmers out of the cult.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Interesting Name Goes Here

      September 20, 2025 at 8:49 am

      @Baud: People like Oliver Willis, quoted below in the BlueSky post (assuming that this poster hasn’t blocked him themselves): bsky.app/profile/veronicamcdonald.bsky.social/post/3lzba35l5fk2w

      People like George Clooney and Susan Sarandon.  People like the Pod Save Bros.  And of course, all of their many, many followers who care less about the cause and more about the parties they can have around the cause.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 20, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @CCL: That’s just the natural flushed face he gets from having something crammed down his throat. He quite enjoys it, according to his son’s porn feed.

      Reply
    91. 91.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 8:51 am

      @Scout211

      “CDC authorizes hex signs to be nailed above every entrance.”
      //

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 20, 2025 at 8:52 am

      @Betty Cracker: Got it in one, I think.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      UncleEbeneezer

      September 20, 2025 at 8:55 am

      @Another Scott: I think it’s both/and.  The rise (appeal) of Trump was a reaction to Obama AND the prospect of Hillary.  The two are connected and I don’t think there’s really any point in trying to choose only one.  Obama skewering Trump, to his face, probably motivated him personally as much as his desire for power/popularity.  But the fear of Hillary (and her SCOTUS) complimented that and might have been even bigger, for voters.

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    94. 94.

      Another Scott

      September 20, 2025 at 8:56 am

      Meanwhile, … WARNING RollCall.com (from yesterday):

      Republicans actually got fewer votes for their version [ of a CR ], which fell short on a 44-48 vote, despite backing from Sen. John Fetterman, D-Pa. The vote on Democrats’ more expansive stopgap bill, which would permanently extend the expiring health care tax credits, was 47-45; no one on either side crossed the aisle on that vote.

      Multiple absences on the GOP side Friday didn’t help their cause, though Republicans didn’t expect to pass their bill in the first place and gave senators a pass to be elsewhere if needed.

      The defeat of both bills inched the government closer to a partial shutdown once current funding runs out on Sept. 30.

      Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., said he plans to reconsider the vote when the Senate comes back after recess. Unless senators return early from the Rosh Hashana recess next week — an option Senate leaders did not rule out Friday — lawmakers would have only two scheduled work days remaining to pass a funding extension before the deadline.

      “I think it’s unlikely we’ll be in next week but, obviously, never say never,” Thune said.

      House GOP leaders, meanwhile, on Friday canceled their scheduled Sept. 29-30 votes, though they reserved the right to call members back to Washington if the Senate hasn’t passed a stopgap bill yet.

      The House-passed measure would extend current spending levels through Nov. 21 to keep the government open. But it would not include an extension for the enhanced tax credits that defray the cost of health coverage purchased on government-run exchanges, which are set to expire at the end of this year.

      Democrats included a permanent extension of those subsidies — at an estimated cost of $350 billion over 10 years — in their stopgap bill, which would extend current spending through Oct. 31.

      The defeats of both versions set the stage for a tense standoff that could drag on straight through a potential shutdown unless leaders can reach a bipartisan deal. But so far, neither side was ready to blink.

      ‘Either this or a shutdown’
      “We want to sit down and negotiate,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., told reporters after the votes. “I think it’s clear, when you look at the votes on the floor … that a negotiation is the only way to avoid a shutdown. We want to do it. So far, they don’t. We hope they change their minds.”

      Thune told reporters repeatedly there was no room for negotiating costly health care provisions in a short-term funding extension.

      “It looks to me like it’s either this or a shutdown,” he said of the Republican bill.

      But the Congressional Budget Office and other independent analysts say by then it will be too late to prevent steep premium increases for millions of individuals with coverage purchased on federal and state exchanges, with insurers already setting rates and open enrollment starting Nov. 1.

      “When Republicans say they don’t want to talk about health care — yet — what they are saying is they don’t want to talk about it until a lot of the damage has been done,” Senate Appropriations ranking Democrat Patty Murray of Washington said during debate Friday. “Because premium hikes are already being announced, and people will receive letters in the mail with their new rates next month.”

      September 30 is a Tuesday, so realistically we’re looking at several days of a shutdown as things stand now.

      WARNING TheHill.com (with autoplay video):

      Trump expressed some pessimism about the two sides reaching an agreement that can garner 60 votes in the Senate. Republicans have 53 seats in the chamber, meaning at least seven Democrats will need to support a funding measure to keep the government open.

      “We’ll continue to talk to the Democrats, but I think you could very well end up with a closed country for a period of time,” Trump said. “And we’ll take care of the military. We’ll take care of Social Security. We’ll take care of the things we have to take care of.

      “A lot of the things Democrats fight for … will not be able to be paid,” Trump added. “So we’ll watch and see how we do with that.”

      [ Eh? Is that English?? ]

      Funny how the GQP majority expects to get needed Democratic votes without giving any consideration to their views and requirements for those votes. Funny.

      The 2018-2019 shutdown lasted 35 days.

      What’s that about those Epstein Files??

      WARNING TheHill.com (from 9/15):

      Republican lawmakers say it now appears certain that a discharge petition that’s being circulated in the House by Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) and Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) will get enough signatures by the end of the month to force a vote on a bill directing Bondi to release the Epstein files.

      Massie and Khanna are only one vote short of getting 218 signatures to force a vote on their bill.

      Once Arizona holds a special election Sept. 23 to fill the vacant seat of Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), who died earlier this year, they’re likely to reach the threshold.

      Grijalva’s daughter, Adelita, won the Democratic primary and is a heavy favorite to win the special election. She’s expected to provide the final signature.

      Tick Tock…

      Yeah, it won’t end with the vote – Bondi will try various bits of delay and obfuscation. But …

      Forward!!

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

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    95. 95.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 8:58 am

      @Betty Cracker: Marcy Kaptur voted yes, and she is not a coward. Neither are Jaime Raskin, Katherine Clark, Mikie Sherril, Sharice Davids, Becca Balint, Rosa DeLauro or Chrissy Houlahan, and they voted yes also.

      Reply
    96. 96.

      AM in NC

      September 20, 2025 at 8:59 am

      On my way out the door to go to an overpass protest this morning.

      My 2-sided sign:  ARE YOUR GROCERIES CHEAPER? / WE ARE ALL JIMMY KIMMEL

      I just need to feel like  I am doing something or I am going to fall into despair paralysis.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:00 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      I don’t necessarily agree or like it, but I’m not sure that a defensive crouch isn’t the best play for at least some of these reps in some of these districts.

      How many normies in those districts would be influenced by right wing propaganda that the reps voted to condone the killing? If it’s substantially more than discouraged Dems, then it may be the only play.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 20, 2025 at 9:00 am

      @Scout211: I don’t think it’s been discussed here. My colleagues in academia are telling all of their H1b visa holders and visa-exempt people from Canada or Bermuda not to travel, even to Canada or Mexico (maybe especially?)

      Shitbird announces it Friday night; implementation is Sunday midnight.

      This is another example of how well-planned the destruction of the post-WWII order was. It’s a very specific way to fuck things up and it’ll get barely any notice. There’s no way Trump thought this up, of course. He’s just following what the MotU tell him to do (of course, they do it in a manner that makes him think it’s his brilliant idea).

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @Geminid:

      Wow. I understand why leadership wanted to morally support the yes voters, not Raskin surprises me. He’s a super safe rep who’s very progressive.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Shakti

      September 20, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @Geminid: 
      You may be right. It might not matter then.

      I’m sure there’s no real overlap between people who know what Kirk is and are disgusted by this and who are reliable voters for Democrats. Or do any kind of voter outreach.

      Numbers are numbers.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @Chief Oshkosh

      There was some discussion last night.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      H.E.Wolf

      September 20, 2025 at 9:03 am

      As we all know, Democrats who represent purple or slightly red House districts still count toward a Democratic majority in the House.

      Sometimes their votes on certain bills represent their constituents’ positions in ways we bluer folks disagree with. It’s a distasteful fact of life.

      With a larger House Democratic majority, we’ll have the luxury of risking the electoral defeats of conservative Democrats, and their replacement by Republicans – or, if those districts become more liberal, by Democrats who match that viewpoint.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Baud: You yourself will have made generic statements about “Democrats” without identifying specific people. I suppose it’s all propaganda.

      I will talk about elected Democrats as a group, typically referencing a vote they took or a trend in the messaging they’re putting out.

      This is a small, discrete group that actually does things in concert, by necessity. All of it is recorded.  Easily cross-referenced and attributed to actual people. So saying something like Congressional Dems have been mostly on this side of issue X for the last 50 years is not the same thing. They act as a caucus. And the exceptions pop right out, those who didn’t vote with the caucus. Those who did but voted against a certain amendment that passed or who made a speech denouncing the flaws of the measure but conceded that overall the measure will help and should be passed can be found. Specificity can arise from sufficient reference.

      That’s just not the same thing as just slamming a nebulous groups of hundreds of thousands/millions I don’t even know how many.

      Now say there was a caucus of elected socialists, let’s call them the Maple Street Warriors, maybe 50 of them between the House and Senate. Now if it were the opinion of 48 of those members that Kamala Harris should shut up and/or die, I would have no problem with that group being called out in this way. Because, again, they are a small, discrete group with known members; easily referenced and attributed

      ETA: And if I falter on this standard, which I’m sure I will from time to time because human, please call me out. I review my work but I don’t catch all my mistakes.

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    104. 104.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Geminid: They literally co-signed a resolution that contained this bullshit:

      Whereas Charlie Kirk was a devoted Christian, who boldly lived out his faith with conviction, courage, and compassion;

      Whereas Charlie Kirk was a fierce defender of the American founding and its timeless principles of life, liberty, limited government, and individual responsibility;

      Whereas Charlie Kirk, at 18 years old, founded Turning Point USA in 2012, a student movement with the mission to “identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government”;

      Whereas Charlie Kirk became one of the most prominent voices in America, engaging in respectful, civil discourse across college campuses, media platforms, and national forums, always seeking to elevate truth, foster understanding, and strengthen the Republic;

      Whereas Charlie Kirk personified the values of the First Amendment, exercising his God-given right to speak freely, challenge prevailing narratives, and did so with honor, courage, and respect for his fellow Americans;

      Whereas Charlie Kirk’s commitment to civil discussion and debate stood as a model for young Americans across the political spectrum, and he worked tirelessly to promote unity without compromising on conviction;

      I call their “yes” votes on that steaming load of horseshit an act of cowardice. Please note this isn’t the same thing as saying everyone who voted yes on that hagiographic crapfest of a bill are always cowards who never do anything brave.

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    105. 105.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:05 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here:

      I appreciate your clarification. I’m not a Willis fan, and I wouldn’t have posted that opinion, but that post doesn’t set me off like some others. But I respect that you and others have a different reaction.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      Interesting Name Goes Here

      September 20, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @iKropoclast: They didn’t, or we wouldn’t be here right now.  In fact, if progressives ever stood on their business, we’d have had two terms of President Sanders by now.  But they don’t, unless that business is causing the kind of chaos that we’re living through now.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      UncleEbeneezer

      September 20, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here: I remember last year, several people here claiming we needed more voices like Oliver Willis and I was like, oh God, no.  Glad people are finally seeing him for what he is.  Like some of our former-front-pagers, he’s absolutely obsessed with bashing/blaming Dems for everything including the actions of Republicans that Dems literally fight against.  He’s the epitome of Murc’s Law (only Dems have agency) and no matter how big the looming threat of Republicans, you can always count on him to focus only on Dems.  The dude truly needs therapy.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      September 20, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @satby: Thank you for that.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @iKropoclast:

      When you talk about “Democrats,” that doesn’t mean elected Democrats. It means the whole party, including many of us. That’s why the word “elected” is needed if that’s who your talking about.

      Even then it’s misleading in situations where you mean only a handful of outliers.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 9:09 am

      @Betty Cracker: Eww.

      ETA:

      Whereas Charlie Kirk became one of the most prominent voices in America, engaging in respectful, civil discourse

      Respectful and civil doing a lot of heavy lifting where hateful and superficially polite would have been perfect for the job.

      Whereas Charlie Kirk personified the values of the First Amendment…

      , which we now seek to end in his name…

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    111. 111.

      mrmoshpotato

      September 20, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      My guess is they pulled it because a documentary with significant quotes from Kirk would reveal that he held extremist views that would be repugnant to normal people. 

      Hmmmmm…….they didn’t think that though.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      sab

      September 20, 2025 at 9:14 am

      @Baud: Ask any female college professor about her student reviews.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      Scout211

      September 20, 2025 at 9:15 am

      @Betty Cracker: Sinclair pulls Charlie Kirk documentary from ABC affiliates

      Just delayed.

      Sinclair intends to air the Kirk documentary on all of its owned or operated TV stations over the weekend.

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    114. 114.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 9:16 am

      @Baud: Maybe reps in purple districts could use any criticism for voting “no” on the bill as a teaching moment to explain the very good reasons WHY they couldn’t support it?

      Also, it’s hard to square a couple of arguments put forth (not by you) to excuse the Democratic “yes” votes, i.e., “no one cares/it won’t matter” and “it will cost them votes.” Well, which is it? (Rhetorical.)

      Reply
    115. 115.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:23 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      That would be my ideal. But we both know how hard it is to explain stuff to people.

      I don’t object to the criticism of the vote. I share it. But I don’t find it that surprising that some reps might make the (cowardly) calculation to avoid the issue. (Again, not sure what happened to Raskin).

      In terms of what would or would not cost votes, I have no clue. It’s affected not only by the vote itself, but how much mileage the Republicans can get from the vote.

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    116. 116.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:24 am

      @Scout211:

      Fascism delayed is fascism denied.

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    117. 117.

      NotMax

      September 20, 2025 at 9:25 am

      @Scout211

      Turns out the dinosaur associated with another Sinclair wasn’t far off the mark.
      //

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    118. 118.

      sab

      September 20, 2025 at 9:29 am

      @Scout211: We now know that at Disney the next Kimmel type won’t ever be allowed a show to begin with.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 9:31 am

       

       

      @Shakti:I think what you are saying is there are reliable voters who will not vote Democratic next year because of yesterday’s House vote, and/or won’t do voter outreach. Are you one of them? Or are these the other Democrats people here like to invoke to support their personal views.

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    120. 120.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 9:36 am

      @Baud: My rep voted Yes also. I’m not happy about it. I realize he needs votes from super red Warren County to win reelection but I suspect his vote was not totally influenced by ramifications at the ballot box. He also stated Biden should step down back in 2024 and I was angry about that.

      I follow him closely and I still support him. I don’t think he’s cowardly. He has pro Palestine protesters camped out at home who harassed his family (he is Jewish). Rep Hortman’s murderer listed him as one of his targets. He’s revealed his fears about feeling he has a target on his back.

      But he has accomplished a lot. He was instrumental in helping to obtain release of Muslim chaplain at Children’s Hospital who was picked up and held by ICE and is one of the “do nothing feckless Dems” who instead of emoting outrage obtained refunding of agency in Cincinnati that Administration had closed and was instrumental in reopening of the hotline that tracked missing Ukrainian children (in which he enlisted bipartisan support as well as assistance from Trump administration). Many Dem reps and senators are engaged in these activities but we don’t hear about them. Online Substack/Brocasts too lazy and find the “useless Dem” business plan too lucrative to actually investigate what ARE Dems are doing.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Wapiti

      September 20, 2025 at 9:40 am

      @Scout211: Yeah, we need to get rid of the “investor” visas entirely. We have enough rich entitled assholes; why do we need more?

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Betty Cracker: I think it’s both. There were Democrats in safe seats like Raskin, Clarke, Balint and DeLauro who voted yes, and Democrats like Derick Tran, Adam Gray and George Whitesides who voted yes. Those three California Reps won by some of the closest margins of any Democrats last year. Same with Marcy Kaptur.

      Maybe the first group were giving cover to the second, and figured the best move was to put this tempest in a teapot behind their caucus so they can go back to laying the groundwork for taking the House back next year.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      Another Scott

      September 20, 2025 at 9:43 am

      @Betty Cracker: @Baud:

      Not purple, but an explanation from one:

      Raskin press release:

      September 18, 2025

      Washington, D.C. – Rep. Jamie Raskin (MD-08) released the following statement on House Resolution 719:

      “I’m voting yes. The Resolution repeatedly condemns all political violence, extremism and hatred in unequivocal terms. It’s a very positive thing to get our Colleagues, Republicans and Democrats alike, on record condemning these dangerous forces when we hear so many outrageous calls to polarization, demonization, censorship, hatred, violence and division, often coming from the highest levels of government where we should expect ethically and morally grounded leadership.

      “We should overlook whatever surplus verbiage is contained in this Resolution designed to make the vote difficult for Democrats. We cannot fall for that obvious political trap and should rise above it. It is essential that we come together as Americans to condemn each and every episode of political violence.

      “I’m voting yes to join the central call upon all Americans ‘to reject political violence, recommit to respectful debate, uphold American values, and respect one another as fellow Americans,’ to condemn the brutal assassination of Charlie Kirk ‘and all forms of political violence,’ to commend the law enforcement officers involved in the case and to extend deepest condolences and sympathies to Charlie Kirk’s family, including his wife, Erika, and their two young children and to pray for their comfort, peace and healing.”

      I don’t see him urging his colleagues to support it. He knows that they each have to do their own calculations.

      Our representatives have to make choices on these usually performative things all the time. Folks like us see the traps and at the same time will not have our votes changed no matter what the representatives decide they need to do in any particular instance.

      Yeah, it sucks that performative bills get so much attention. The majority sets the agenda, and that sucks.

      Vote, give the reason, and move on to doing what is needed to win the next election, is my view of what needs to happen.

      FWIW.

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

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    124. 124.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 9:45 am

      @Geminid: I noticed Jeffries voted for it also. Unlike the majority here I admire him and was disappointed. I think there is some truth to your speculation.

      Betty Cracker brought up a good point. I am going to ask my Rep why he voted Yes.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 9:46 am

      @Interesting Name Goes Here: I consider myself a socialist and here I am online. I have voted a straight D ticket for as long as I have been eligible, save for 04. I encourage others around me to do the same. A beloved relative of mine who is a much more cantankerous socialist than I am even voted for Harris last year.

      I know anecdotes aren’t data. But what you described is way too far outside what I am living and what I have seen online.  Granted, a lot of my online experience can be attributed to the fact that I don’t listen to the more radical socialist voices and have cultivated a watch/read list of more practical and/or humble voices. But that selection bias can work the other way, as well. They also tend to be more issue focused than electoral politics.

      Think Contrapoints. Foreign Man in a Foreign Land. Philosophy Tube. Thought Slime is a little radical but professes to know little and dedicates their time to ripping on choads. Respect.

      Among my watches, Some More News and F.D. Signifier probably go the furthest in outright criticizing Democrats. But more often than not they seem to do a good job of giving a fair hearing to the pro and con.

      Though, truth be told I stopped all political content except Balloon Juice and direct links from here when Biden “became” old. I don’t even know what was said, I didn’t even want to invite the possibility of hearing it from them.

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 9:49 am

       

      @Kathleen: Rep. Landsman might give you a version of what Rep. Raskin said, as quoted by Another Scott at #123. That’s what I would do.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 20, 2025 at 9:49 am

      @Kathleen:

      Hopefully you’ll get an answer.

      I can’t get even an acknowledgement out of mine.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 9:51 am

      @Baud: When you talk about “Democrats,” that doesn’t mean elected Democrats. It means the whole party

      I strive to specify elected Democrats when I mean them and D voters when I mean them. The latter would probably be in reference to a primary result. If I don’t,  please feel free to ask for clarification. I’m happy to.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      zhena gogolia

      September 20, 2025 at 9:51 am

      @Geminid:
      I tried to find out about DeLauro. Found this:

      Himes, who largely represents Fairfield County, explained his vote for the resolution as a vote against political violence.

      “A person’s politics do not negate the dignity of their existence as a human being,” Himes said in a statement to CT Insider. “I will always vote to condemn political violence, whether it’s the murder of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, the assassination of Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman, or the January 6th assault on the Capitol.”

      In a closed-door meeting on Thursday morning, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-NY, reportedly told his caucus that he would be supporting the resolution, but left it up to each member to decide how to vote, according to Axios.

      Both Hayes and Himes declined to answer questions about the divide in Connecticut’s delegation on the resolution. Courtney, DeLauro and Larson did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the vote.

      Reply
    130. 130.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 20, 2025 at 9:52 am

      @iKropoclast: Gonna add a vote for “Philosophy Tube” and now am checking out your other mentions.

      Reply
    131. 131.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 20, 2025 at 9:52 am

      @Baud:

      So I’ll be clear that not everyone is worth reaching out to. I don’t expect we’ll reach out to die hard MAGA or fascists. And I don’t expect we’ll reach out to people who have a negative reaction to flying the US flag in protests against fascists.

      HEAR HEAR!!

      Reply
    132. 132.

      zhena gogolia

      September 20, 2025 at 9:53 am

      @Another Scott: His reasoning is sound.

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Baud

      September 20, 2025 at 9:55 am

      @Another Scott:

      Thanks for posting.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 20, 2025 at 9:55 am

      @Geminid:Maybe the first group were giving cover to the second, and figured the best move was to put this tempest in a teapot behind their caucus so they can go back to laying the groundwork for taking the House back next year.

      That’s how I see it as well— get this stupid crap out of the way and get back to the serious work.

      But of course, being a Democrat myself, I’m willing to extend “the benefit of the doubt” to Democrats, unlike so many others.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      oldgold

      September 20, 2025 at 9:57 am

      Reading this in the post caused me to wince.

      “Nine months in, thirty-nine to go.”

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Dorothy A. Winsor

      September 20, 2025 at 10:03 am

      @oldgold: Except it’s actually 8 months down since January 20. So 40 to go.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 10:04 am

      So Trump has invited Turkish President R.T. Erdogan to Washington next Friday. Erdogan will be in the U.S. to address the UN General Assembly, I assume before he meets with Trump. If the two men hold a joint press conference it ought to “lit,” as we olds like to say.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      rikyrah

      September 20, 2025 at 10:05 am

      Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊

      Reply
    139. 139.

      tobie

      September 20, 2025 at 10:06 am

      @Kathleen: who woulda thunk that Democratic House members are multisided individuals just like regular people and sometimes we won’t agree with them. I don’t know where this need came from to adore politicians like rockstars. Politics is not romance. I’ll vote for someone and even volunteer for them if I agree with them a lot of the time about the issues facing the country. It’s nice to be inspired, swept off your feet but I’m not expecting that to happen a lot.

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Betty Cracker

      September 20, 2025 at 10:09 am

      @Another Scott: Re: your quote:

      “We should overlook whatever surplus verbiage is contained in this Resolution designed to make the vote difficult for Democrats. We cannot fall for that obvious political trap and should rise above it.” — Rep. Raskin

      Respectfully, sir, you should NOT have overlooked it and you DID fall for an “obvious political trap.”

      Raskin is usually awesome, but I think he’s dead wrong here.

      And with that, I’ll move on and let you lot argue it out without me. The canoe is calling!

      Reply
    141. 141.

      zhena gogolia

      September 20, 2025 at 10:18 am

      I guess I feel that condemning political violence is a bedrock principle, no matter who the victim is.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      Fair Economist

      September 20, 2025 at 10:22 am

      @iKropoclast: I suspect part of the reason the online left wants Harris to go away is that she was so far left that only 6% of the population thought she should be more to the left – but she still lost. She is walking proof that “we didn’t run someone left enough” is just false.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 20, 2025 at 10:23 am

      @Chief Oshkosh: H1-Bs are pretty unpopular on liberal/progressive blogs like this one and the Orange Satan. So I guess there will be celebrations.

      But the thing to remember is that if this stands no one, is immune to his increasingly capricious royal decrees.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 10:25 am

      @Fair Economist: That Kamala Harris was too far to the left is certainly a take.

      Reply
    145. 145.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 20, 2025 at 10:25 am

      @zhena gogolia: I have to agree. Gandhi suspended his highly successful non-cooperation movement in the 20s because some supporters burnt an entire police station. More than 20 people who were in there were burnt alive.

      Many of his supporters were extremely unhappy about this.

      Reply
    146. 146.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 20, 2025 at 10:25 am

      @Another Scott: ​

      The defeat of both bills inched the government closer to a partial shutdown once current funding runs out on Sept. 30.

      Bolding mine. I wonder what parts of the government have already been funded into the next fiscal year?

      A bit of personal trivia: during the 2018-2019 shutdown, the Census Bureau, where I worked, was shut down just like everything else. But I had to come into a virtually empty office anyway because my work was 100% funded by the statistical arm of the CDC, and the CDC had already been funded for that entire fiscal year. It was a real bummer, let me tell you!

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Jackie

      September 20, 2025 at 10:30 am

      @Scout211:

      Have we discussed Trump’s “proclamation”to raise the cost of H-1B visas?

      There was some discussion in the overnight thread, but it should be posted as its own topic.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 20, 2025 at 10:30 am

      T2.0 has correctly assessed that Modi is a kiss up, kick down style bully. A paper tiger and hence he has penalized India far more than many other countries

      H1-B stuff is going to affect a lot of Indians over 50% people who get industry H1-Bs are Indians
      Over 50% tariffs on India for buying Russian crude.

      I am hoping that this will open the eyes of many bhakts who are engineers since this directly affects them.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 20, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @Another Scott: A little while back I was talking to my kid about politics and how her fellow Gen Zers feel about it, and one thing she said that surprised me, but shouldn’t have, is that among her teenage cohort there’s huge nostalgia for Barack Obama. He’s the President they knew as kids. He was a comforting presence; he was a cool, smart guy; they loved him even if they didn’t have a deep understanding of the issues.

      It surprised me because I instinctively think of the youth as either junior Nazis or disaffected online radical leftists, and both of those groups hate Barack Obama. But that was apparently an illusion.

      Reply
    150. 150.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 10:31 am

      @Baud:  Raskin might have been concerned about his high visibility being used against other Dems. That’s still going to happen of course, but on less treacherous ground.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 10:32 am

      @Geminid: Erdogan’s UN speech should be good. He has strong opinions about the Gaza war, and he hates Benjamin Netanyahu’s guts.* Erdogan is not a very diplomatic man, and I expect he’ll state his views “with bark on.” That’s one reason why a joint Trump/Erdogan press conference could be interesting.

      * One of the funny (to me) stories coming out of the Middle East lately is the trash-talking between Erdogan and Netanyahu over the Siloam Stone. This ancient engraved stone was discovered by Ottoman archeologists centuries ago, at the Siloam Spring beneath Jerusalem. It resides now in a Turkish museum.

      The Siloam Stone is engraved in old Hebrew, and Netanyahu considers it a priceless artifact of ancient Judaism. He says he wants the stone returned. Erdogan’s response is a long-winded version of, “Fuck you.”

      Reply
    152. 152.

      Terraformer

      September 20, 2025 at 10:36 am

      @NotMax: I’m surprised someone hasn’t created a website that just shows footage of Kirk talking, just showing what he’s said in a constant loop. Might open some eyes. Call it “Kirk’s World” or something.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 20, 2025 at 10:37 am

      @schrodingers_cat: The administration is pitching it as “protecting America’s highly skilled professional workers”.

      I’m presumably one of the people they’re talking about and I know this is not going to do a damn thing to protect me because I’m not an idiot. (If you’re a US citizen, would you rather have a bunch of Indian and Chinese coworkers, or have the office shut down entirely? One of those prevents you from having a job.)

      But I’ve certainly known people in my line of work who would not do that reasoning.

      Reply
    154. 154.

      Fair Economist

      September 20, 2025 at 10:37 am

      @iKropoclast: Policy-wise, even more to the left would have been good. Electorally, according to the polls, being less left, or at least perceived as less left, would likely have gotten more votes.

      Leftists have unfortunately forgotten FDR’s lesson – run to the center, govern to the left (FDR ran on balancing the budget!) Unfortunately the Republicans are SUPER aware of it – they denied Project 2025 all through the election, and then promptly implemented it once they won.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 10:38 am

      @Another Scott:  Yeah, treacherous. But better for him to do that dance for his constituents than for some bystander Dem in another constituency to have to do the counter dance, is what I’m thinking he was thinking, and maybe some of the others.

      Reply
    156. 156.

      sab

      September 20, 2025 at 10:40 am

      @Geminid: That Siloam Stone story is interesting.

      Reply
    157. 157.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 20, 2025 at 10:42 am

      @Matt McIrvin: Yep. Racism against Indian born tech workers was rampant in the pre social media word of electronic bulletin boards in the 90s and early aughts. I remember it well. This is nothing new. Even IEEE boards

      Check out some of the posts on this blog from early Jan for a glimpse of what I am saying.

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Soapdish

      September 20, 2025 at 10:43 am

      @Baud: Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one needs to treat it seriously.

      Nominated!

      Reply
    159. 159.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 20, 2025 at 10:45 am

      @zhena gogolia: Yeah, but they make it so that just condemning political violence is not an option. The options are to (1) be seen as supporting political violence, or (2) condemn the violence, BUT ALSO fulsomely praise the life and opinions of a hatemonger who was also pro-violence. No third way.

      ISIS called it “eliminating the grayzone”. The trick is to make everyone take sides in the manner you define.

      Reply
    160. 160.

      H.E.Wolf

      September 20, 2025 at 10:47 am

      @Terraformer: ​
       In my opinion, we don’t need to help spread the hate-filled words of Nazis and far-right-wing weirdos.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 10:49 am

      Sergio Assad: 5 World Dances, 1st mov

      Reply
    162. 162.

      Eyeroller

      September 20, 2025 at 10:52 am

      @zhena gogolia: The sentiment is fine but it seems to me to be a good example of why “if you’re explaining you’re losing” is a reality.  Assuming the audience is his constituents, it’s about three times as long as it needs to be and contains too many big words (“surplus verbiage” come on.  We understand that, but a lot of people might have trouble reading it or not really know what he means).

      Reply
    163. 163.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 20, 2025 at 10:56 am

      @Scout211: I guess the meeting with JK didn’t go as they had hoped.

      Reply
    164. 164.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 20, 2025 at 10:57 am

      I am not going to be upset at D Congress people for signing on to Kirk resolution. I am not fond of that move but the H1-B fee of $100,000 per year and that people who are traveling are going to be stranded if they don’t return by Sunday (less than 2 days to comply with a highly arbitrary rule) is what is concerning me right now. YMMV.

      Reply
    165. 165.

      tobie

      September 20, 2025 at 10:58 am

      @Fair Economist:

      Leftists have unfortunately forgotten FDR’s lesson – run to the center, govern to the left

      It strikes me that that’s what Biden did. And I greatly appreciated that. The big headwind for him during his admin were the Republican 6 on SCOTUS. Everything became a “major question” that must be decided by Congress. Sinema and Manchin had absolute veto power and used it to the hilt.

      Reply
    166. 166.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 20, 2025 at 10:58 am

      @Betty Cracker: ​

      I call their “yes” votes on that steaming load of horseshit an act of cowardice. Please note this isn’t the same thing as saying everyone who voted yes on that hagiographic crapfest of a bill are always cowards who never do anything brave.

      I’m with you all the way here, Betty. Hell, they lost me before the first semicolon:

      “Whereas Charlie Kirk was a devoted Christian, who boldly lived out his faith with conviction, courage, and compassion”

      He was a white supremacist, a purveyor of hate and division, who regarded people different from him as lesser beings, as less than fully human. There’s no part of the Gospel message that Charlie Kirk’s work didn’t hold in contempt. Reading that part of the resolution alone makes me want to vomit.

      If there’s any sort of formal observance of this remembrance day, I’m gonna show up with a poster with some of his quotes. I can’t think of a better way to remember him correctly.

      Reply
    167. 167.

      Gin & Tonic

      September 20, 2025 at 10:58 am

      Don’t feel like reading 160+ comments. Let me guess, Democrats are Doing It Wrong again, yes?

      Reply
    168. 168.

      Eyeroller

      September 20, 2025 at 10:59 am

      @Betty Cracker: He probably should not have even mentioned it.  Who is going to read the proclamation other than some political nerds?  Defending the vote on the grounds of condemning all political violence should be adequate.  Talking about “surplus verbiage” just draws attention to it.

      Reply
    169. 169.

      jimmiraybob

      September 20, 2025 at 11:00 am

      Republicans mad that it didn’t become 1619 again.

      Fixed.

      Reply
    170. 170.

      Jackie

      September 20, 2025 at 11:01 am

      @Gin & Tonic:

      Let me guess, Democrats are Doing It Wrong again, yes?

      It depends on who you ask ;-)

      Reply
    171. 171.

      WereBear

      September 20, 2025 at 11:07 am

      @lowtechcyclist: I think we can think of lots of ways to remember him, including quoting him correctly.

      We can all make sure everyone remembers what he said.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 20, 2025 at 11:10 am

      @zhena gogolia: ​

      I guess I feel that condemning political violence is a bedrock principle, no matter who the victim is.

      So do I, but one can condemn someone’s murder without giving the deceased a blowjob.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      trollhattan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:11 am

      Confess I did not anticipate Trump declaring himself to be Mao and announce a second Great Leap Forward. But here we are. Start gathering your cookware and await further instructions.

      “The Trump administration flexed its new authority over U.S. Steel, blocking the company’s plan to shut down production at an Illinois plant this fall,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

      Two weeks ago, U.S. Steel notified workers in Granite City, Ill., that plant operations would cease in November. The company, owned by Tokyo-based Nippon Steel, said it would continue paying the mill’s nearly 800 employees, even without them doing regular production work.”

      Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick got wind of the plan and called U.S. Steel Chief Executive Dave Burritt… Lutnick told Burritt the administration wouldn’t allow operations to cease, and the president would invoke his so-called golden share authority over plant operations.”​​

      Reply
    174. 174.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 11:12 am

      DOGE fallout?

      Dallas’ two major airports were thrown into chaos Friday afternoon as the Federal Aviation Administration issued a ground stop after controlers “lost all radar and phone communications,” according to officials and reports. Dallas Love Field and Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport are under both a ground stop and a ground delay after communications equipment malfunctions popped up just after 4 p.m. local time, according to the FAA.

      The ground stop was reissued at Love Field just before 6:30 p.m. local time after being lifted about an hour earlier, FAA data showed.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      zhena gogolia

      September 20, 2025 at 11:13 am

      @lowtechcyclist: It’s not as simple as that. The Republicans ARE IN THE MAJORITY. They have the power. The Democrats are faced with either voting for it or not. If they vote against it, then they have to “explain” to people why they don’t condemn political assassination. Of course all the Democrats are in a terrible position, because the voters did not give them the majority. They were picking their noses, I guess.

      Reply
    176. 176.

      prostratedragon

      September 20, 2025 at 11:14 am

      @trollhattan:  Cookin’ pots, or bangin’ pots?

      Reply
    177. 177.

      trollhattan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:14 am

      @prostratedragon:

      I see Vlad’s fingerprints.

      Heathrow is among several European airports hit by a cyber-attack affecting an electronic check-in and baggage system.
      A number of flights were delayed at the airport on Saturday as a “technical issue” impacted software provided to several airlines.
      Brussels Airport said a cyber-attack on Friday night meant passengers were being checked in and boarded manually, while Berlin’s Brandenburg Airport also reported longer waiting times due to the problem.
      RTX, which owns software provider Collins Aerospace, said it was “aware of a cyber-related disruption” to its system in “select airports” and that it was working to resolve the issue as quickly as possible.

      The company added: “The impact is limited to electronic customer check-in and baggage drop and can be mitigated with manual check-in operations.”
      It said its Muse software – which allows different airlines to use the same check-in desks and boarding gates at an airport, rather than requiring their own – had been affected.
      The BBC understands that British Airways is operating as normal using a back-up system, but that most other airlines operating from Heathrow have been affected.
      Hundreds of flights have been delayed at the airports throughout Saturday, according to flight tracker FlightAware.

      Compounding his violating airspaces of several NATO nations.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      trollhattan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:16 am

      @prostratedragon:

      Fair question, stay tuned!

      And gather all those wooden spoons; they’re going to be in short supply.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      Anyway

      September 20, 2025 at 11:16 am

      @Scout211:  MobiusKlein had good comments and links in the overnight post. Some of my coworkers are on H1B — hope they’re not badly affected.

      Reply
    180. 180.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 20, 2025 at 11:20 am

      @zhena gogolia: ​
      Explanation: “I will always condemn political violence. That’s not what this resolution does. Feel free to read it.”

      Reply
    181. 181.

      lowtechcyclist

      September 20, 2025 at 11:23 am

      @trollhattan: ​

      Lutnick told Burritt the administration wouldn’t allow operations to cease, and the president would invoke his so-called golden share authority over plant operations.”​​

      “Golden share authority”?? That’s a new one to me. What the hell authority does a President have to tell a business to do something like this? Sounds like a new name for extortion.

      ETA: A bit of an explainer here: ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/golden-share-american-governments-ownership-100041029.html​
      ​
      ​

      Reply
    182. 182.

      MobiusKlein

      September 20, 2025 at 11:26 am

      @Chief Oshkosh: I brought it up last night, and it scares me a lot

      Mostly because it throws my coworkers into chaos. Folks that own homes, have US citizen children, etc.  Folks who want to visit families.

      It’s a total consumption of Congress’s role to make law. A place for corruption and coercion.

      And 100k a year is a shit ton of $. Does it lock folks to their current employer even more?

      Reply
    183. 183.

      WereBear

      September 20, 2025 at 11:26 am

      Sleep hygiene tips, like “no blue light after sundown” and using a sleep mask, added hours to my own sleep.

      But you have to commit. Even to wider changes in habits. It’s not found in a supplement: the fact that melatonin “works” means your body can’t make enough at the right time to give you full sleep. And that’s why it stops working, because now your body is confused and doesn’t make as much.

      We have to accept that Big Food has been messing with our heads and our science. Most recently the exposure, in 2015, of how Big Sugar, in particular, tilted the playing field with corrupted studies. All the increasing disease was blamed on saturated fat, not the amount of sugar in the food.

      The Lipid Hypothesis was a sham, and so was all the stuff we do that is based on it.

      This gave me the boldness to rethink all I knew about nutrition and health. I recommend the book, The Big Fat Lie. Wild read, and the science world was so impressed it was accepted as her PhD thesis. The book was that good.

      It’s KNOWN, and yet… because of how our media is corporate, too… it’s not known, either. Because nothing changed. And you know what? It should have.

      Based on this, I discovered that I had to eat right to sleep right. I upped my animal fat, (cultured dairy a great source,) because that’s what human hormones are made from. I started the day with a 30-50 gram breakfast of complete protein, which tells our body to “take all this to fuel the brain waking up” because we don’t “run on sugar and carbs,” our brain needs lots of protein to make neurotransmitters, because that is how we run.

      The brain runs everything with signals from our digestive system. That’s what needs the fuel. That’s what took me from 2-4 hours a night to 8-9 hours.

      It’s bliss. And so is my breakfast :)

      Reply
    184. 184.

      Anyway

      September 20, 2025 at 11:26 am

      @tobie: I don’t know where this need came from to adore politicians like rockstars. Politics is not romance.

      that’s ridiculous. Here I thought paying  attention to your rep’s votes and having an opinion was a sign of an engaged citizen. Nothing to do with romance or adoration. We’re allowed to be disappointed in our rep’s votes without a lecture.

      Reply
    185. 185.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 20, 2025 at 11:28 am

      @lowtechcyclist:

      By  MARC LEVY
      Updated 8:12 PM CDT, June 25, 2025

      Share

      HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — President Donald Trump will control the so-called “golden share” that’s part of the national security agreement under which he allowed Japan-based Nippon Steel to buy out iconic American steelmaker U.S. Steel, according to disclosures with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

      The provision gives the president the power to appoint a board member and have a say in company decisions that affect domestic steel production and competition with overseas producers.

      Under the provision, Trump — or someone he designates — controls that decision-making power while he is president. However, control over those powers reverts to the Treasury Department and the Commerce Department when anyone else is president, according to the filings.

      (eta oops I see you got it already)

      Reply
    186. 186.

      Jackie

      September 20, 2025 at 11:29 am

      No surprise, but, oh the memories… (not good ones)

      “In the 1970s, Hamburger Helper became a staple on American dinner tables as families, strained by inflation and soaring beef prices, looked to turn a pound of ground beef into an entire meal,” the New York Times reports.

      “These days, those same pressures are why the flavored pasta mix is coming to the rescue again.”

      “While most food companies are seeing declines in consumer demand for their products, sales of Hamburger Helper are up 14.5 percent in the year through August.”

      Time to put “Thanks, Trump” post-its in the Hamburger Helper section of the grocery store.

      Reply
    187. 187.

      mrmoshpotato

      September 20, 2025 at 11:30 am

      @prostratedragon:

      Cookin’ pots, or bangin’ pots? 

      Banging ICE over the head with pots?

      Reply
    188. 188.

      Citizen Alan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:30 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: in 90 minutes, i am going back in to my first meeting with my personal trainer after skipping for 3 weeks due to covid restrictions. I think I am preemptively getting PTSD imagining how much pain i’m going to be in tomorrow.

      Reply
    189. 189.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 20, 2025 at 11:32 am

      @Jackie: As if ground beef is affordable, and ffs, I wouldn’t ruin it with that swill.

      Reply
    190. 190.

      trollhattan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:34 am

      Evidently the H-1B thing has a hole big enough to drive a truckgiant bribe through it.

      (c) The restriction imposed pursuant to subsections (a) and (b) of this section shall not apply to any individual alien [love that word], all aliens working for a company or all aliens working in an industry, if the Secretary of Homeland Security [she’s really nice, have you met her yet?] determines, in the secretary’s discretion, that the hiring of such aliens to be employed as H-1B specialty occupation workers is in the national interest and does not pose a threat [boo!] to the security or welfare of the United States.

      And there it is.

      Reply
    191. 191.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 11:36 am

      @Fair Economist: So…lie?

      Reply
    192. 192.

      Glidwrith

      September 20, 2025 at 11:38 am

      @Shakti: Thanks for the link. I was able to see my rep voted “present”.

      Reply
    193. 193.

      Citizen Alan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:39 am

      @iKropoclast: Meanwhile, it remains okay to chase white racists. Dems running away from BLM so hard, Biden saw fit to denounce their goals in the state of the union.

      Meanwhile, back in 2016, we had the BLM Morhers speak at the DNC, and you could hardly hear them over the sounds of the bernie bros booing when they mentioned Hillary Clinton’s name.

      Reply
    194. 194.

      iKropoclast

      September 20, 2025 at 11:44 am

      @Citizen Alan: Any booing I heard was a distortion in the din of the room. I heard speakers loud and clear. They’re efforts were counter-productive, though, I’ll agree.

      Reply
    195. 195.

      Glidwrith

      September 20, 2025 at 11:47 am

      @Scout211: It gives me hope. They may be a lesser grade of nutball. Being in the CDC, directly addressed by the real experts, perhaps some can be reached to minimize what their sociopathic boss wants to do.

      Reply
    196. 196.

      Citizen Alan

      September 20, 2025 at 11:48 am

      @sab: that may not be avoidable. I, for one, was absolutely not expecting the former host of The Man Show to eventually become a leader in the fight against fascism. Much like I would not have expected a Ukrainian comedian famous for a comedy sketch where he pretended to play the piano with his penis to become a modern day Winston Churchill.

      Reply
    197. 197.

      Sure Lurkalot

      September 20, 2025 at 11:49 am

      @Geminid:

      “I think what you are saying is there are reliable voters who will not vote Democratic next year because of yesterday’s House vote, and/or won’t do voter outreach. Are you one of them? Or are these the other Democrats people here like to invoke to support their personal views.”

      Voting nose pincher forever but the youngers are not so enamored with the reflexive habit. There is truth to putting your money where your mouth is. When is there too much political calculation? The sorry approval polls of Dems these days may be an indication and assuming the electorate is too dumb or distracted to remember is not a winning message.

      Reply
    198. 198.

      Sure Lurkalot

      September 20, 2025 at 11:53 am

      @Citizen Alan:

       I, for one, was absolutely not expecting the former host of The Man Show to eventually become a leader in the fight against fascism. Much like I would not have expected a Ukrainian comedian famous for a comedy sketch where he pretended to play the piano with his penis to become a modern day Winston Churchill.

      Thank you for stating so succinctly that we don’t know who our heroes are until the moment is upon them. I’d add a certain billionaire, Governor Pritzger.

      Reply
    199. 199.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 11:57 am

      @Geminid: I agree. Based on his earlier comments I think he and Raskin are approaching this the same way.

      Reply
    200. 200.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 12:00 pm

      @Nukular Biskits: Thank you! I’ll be attending his Zoom call tomorrow.

      Reply
    201. 201.

      tobie

      September 20, 2025 at 12:02 pm

      @Anyway: i didn’t say anything about the bill, which sucks. I was speaking more generally about the outrage that electeds aren’t perfect all the time, which is a view you frequently find on Bluesky.

      Reply
    202. 202.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 12:03 pm

      @zhena gogolia: One of the reasons I love Jeffries.

      Reply
    203. 203.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 12:04 pm

      @Another Scott: Thank you for posting this.

      Reply
    204. 204.

      Geminid

      September 20, 2025 at 12:04 pm

      @Sure Lurkalot: I’m not saying voters are dumb and distracted; those are your words, not mine.

      I’m saying this issue is of interest only to a fairly narrow segment of on-line Democrats, and that few voters will consider this vote on a performative Congressional resolution important enough to influence their view of the party, or to sway their vote next November.

      Reply
    205. 205.

      WereBear

      September 20, 2025 at 12:05 pm

      @Citizen Alan: Comedy is supposed to tell the truth. That’s valuable in these times, I guess.

      It’s our secret weapon. Conservatives suck at it.

      Reply
    206. 206.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 12:09 pm

      @tobie: Great point! I myself tend to put people on pedestals in many areas of my life (including politicians) and I appreciate your reminder. I’m still pretty grumpy about Sherrod Brown but I definitely will vote for him.

      Reply
    207. 207.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 20, 2025 at 12:29 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: I think I said during one of these flare-ups that I’d much prefer that all these people just get green cards with the option of a path to citizenship instead of temporary worker visas bound to employment, since they’re obviously people that any sane government would WANT permanently immigrating, bringing both their skills and their demand into the economy. But we don’t live in that world and probably never will.

      Reply
    208. 208.

      Pappenheimer

      September 20, 2025 at 12:57 pm

      @Mai Naem mobile: this is a thing Larry Niven (SF author) was on about years ago in his “Achille’s Choice”, where athletes willing to ruin their health and reduce their lifespan could compete at  a higher level. Part of his turn to wingnuttism, I think.

      Reply
    209. 209.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 12:59 pm

      @satby:

      I’m an old. Born in the first half of the last century. Most nights I sleep 8 hours. Of course I have no other requirements of getting up other than I’ve slept long enough. OK on rare occasion I have a doc appointment and have to get up at the unreasonable hour of 7:30 am. I find that walking helps with sleeping and living. Just walked to the closest store and back. That’s a 2 mile walk. Or 2, 1 mile walks. Now I used to walk a lot farther every day, but oldfartitus is at least on the horizon. If not closer than that.

      Reply
    210. 210.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 1:04 pm

      @WereBear:

      If they told the truth, there would be a hell of a lot fewer of them, because what they want is only productive (and the rich, with ownership) people to be alive so that at least someone is making money off of them. I know that’s a shallow view of conservatism but then they are shallow, selfish people.

      Reply
    211. 211.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 1:06 pm

      @WereBear:

      Conservatives suck at it. 

      They do but then that seems to be all they are capable of.

      Reply
    212. 212.

      Rudi666

      September 20, 2025 at 1:15 pm

      @Betty Cracker: Lets just hope that the statues for this douchebag also peter out.

      heraldtribune.com/story/news/2025/09/17/florida-college-plans-statue-of-activist-charlie-kirk-on-cam…

      It took years for the Vietnam Memorial to come about. Destainis and ReThugs are memorializing Kirk in weeks.

      Reply
    213. 213.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 1:21 pm

      @Kathleen:

      I was told once, in the US Navy, that one has to go with the flow. Or it will drown you. Now real life is not the military thing but that was a good lesson in any sized group setting where there will likely be at least 2 sides to any issue. It’s politics, it’s a democracy. No one will agree with everyone else in most situations. So in any large group one has to pick a side and be at least minimally involved. In politics that means at least voting. And for most it means being in the fight, which is a part of a democracy, being involved, speaking out, building a core that you can agree with and then agreeing with it, fighting for it. One of the aspects of a democracy is that we ALL have to be at least minimally involved. When this old fart was a lot younger I worked on/in elections, stuffing envelopes, helping out how and at what I could. Now I follow and vote – still for the future of all of us, because we never know how much future we will have, but ALWAYS vote to make it better. It’s a slow process, but it doesn’t move forward without power, and in a democracy, that power is provided by citizens.

      Reply
    214. 214.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 1:24 pm

      IT’S NOT EVEN THE END OF THEIR FUCKIN’ WORLD.

      Reply
    215. 215.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 20, 2025 at 1:27 pm

      @Scout211: For obvious reasons of personal interest, I’ve been heartened by the multistate alliances in the Northeast and West Coast that have popped up to make their own sanity-based vaccine recommendations in the absence of a functioning CDC and FDA. But that doesn’t help the rest of the country.

      Reply
    216. 216.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 1:33 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      My guess is they pulled it because a documentary with significant quotes from Kirk would reveal that he held extremist views that would be repugnant to normal people.

      Would it not give some dark mirth to think the process was something like: a) “I don’t really know who this Kirk guy was but damn, look at the emotion! We’d be idiots not to pull this lever!” b) They start trying to put together the program and see the material they have to work with. c) “Holy… wait, what the fuck?”

      Reply
    217. 217.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 1:43 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      But we don’t live in that world and probably never will.

      We will if we don’t fight for it. Because that is the key in a democracy. And no, that doesn’t mean fists and baseball bats, it means we fight within the rules and with as much involvement as we can. Now that as much is different for each of us, but in a democracy we all have a part and we all have to work to uphold the concept of any democracy. Which is us. We are the concept of a democracy, each and every one of us. Now some can give a lot of hours a week, some far less, which is one big reason we all have to do what we can. A democracy is a huge chorus, but as always in any huge chorus we will all not sing the same parts, but that’s OK there are a number of parts. I’ve stuffed envelopes, knocked on doors, but I’m an old, it’s now the people that have come after me that need to do the work, be a part of the process, at least a bit more than spending 10 minutes voting. I’ll do my part but it’s up to those that come after folks my age – old fart – to do the work beyond voting. Because it’s the world of folks younger (sometimes a lot) than old fart that will be here a lot longer and it’s now their government. We did our parts, now it’s the turn of that much bigger group behind us old farts. We often can help a bit but it is your country now, those not retired, not wondering what comes next, the younger generations.

      Reply
    218. 218.

      stinger

      September 20, 2025 at 1:59 pm

      @Betty Cracker: ​

      @Baud: ​

      @Kathleen: ​(Responding to your comments about elected officials explaining their votes to constituents.) Do they not have franking privileges any more? I used to get mailers from at least one of my senators — he’s a Republican and they were more “marketing” than informational or persuasive. But even that was years ago. It might look like junk mail, but I’d be curious enough at least to glance at it.

      Reply
    219. 219.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 2:01 pm

      @Pappenheimer:

      I worked in professional sports, not as a participant, I’m not at that skill level. But I did work within my capacity, as an official.

      It’s not that they are so much willing to ruin their health as to being involved because they have the skill set of their desired sport. The vast majority of humans have a skill set of one level or another. We just don’t know what that skill set is until we try to find our highest level. I worked in a particular professional sport, participated in it long enough to find out that the professional level was above me, or at least the risk level of professional was. And yes many professional sports can be in some way risky for the participants. It may be an injury or it may be a hidden maximum level that going any higher brings on an injury level that is beyond their tolerance. Not every sport has the same levels of possible/likely injury. But more than a few do. That injury level may be personally beyond one’s level, which is the limiting factor. I worked part time in one sport with a not insignificant danger level for 30 years part time and full time for 10. Not everyone that participated walked away like nothing ever happened. Because most human sports have an injury level, some have on rare occasion a very high injury level. To some it’s worth the risk.

      Reply
    220. 220.

      RevRick

      September 20, 2025 at 2:03 pm

      @zhena gogolia: I am with you on this. One of the rules of politics is that if you’re explaining, you’re losing.

      As I think I have said before, the whole complaining about person(s) X to person(s) Y about person(s) Z is dysfunctional. If I have a beef with my Representative or Senator, I will call or write him. If I am writing a letter to the editor, I will stick to the issue at hand.
      I am mindful of Martin Luther’s interpretation of the 9th Commandment about false witness, that we should always seek to protect the other’s reputation, speak well of them, and always extend the most generous interpretation.
      With respect to what elected Democrats say or do, I am inclined to give them a huge leash. What after all does bashing them in public accomplish besides inflating our own sense of righteousness? I am old enough to see dumb, performative votes for what they are: not hills worth my dying on. My reaction is meh. But that’s just me.

      I am more interested in the big picture. Are they supporting Democratic priorities? Can we count on their votes when push comes to shove? Looking at the voting record of the most conservative Democratic Representative, Golden of Maine, I can say unequivocally that they do.

      Reply
    221. 221.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 2:14 pm

      @Ruckus: ​Now let’s do people whose best skill is working in a meat packing plant.

      Reply
    222. 222.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 2:16 pm

      You know what Chuck Schumer has done that the vast majority of these other folks have not?

      Won an election to the Senate.

      Reply
    223. 223.

      cain

      September 20, 2025 at 2:19 pm

      @Betty Cracker: ​
       

      If they put out that documentary, it would have destroyed his martyr status thats for sure.

      Reply
    224. 224.

      Captain C

      September 20, 2025 at 2:24 pm

      @NotMax: That was indeed fascinating!

      Reply
    225. 225.

      Another Scott

      September 20, 2025 at 2:24 pm

      @lowtechcyclist:

      Bolding mine. I wonder what parts of the government have already been funded into the next fiscal year?

      None.

      FY26 Appropriations Status Table.

      “Military Construction-Veterans Affairs [As amended by the Senate, 3-bill Consol. Approps. Act] H.R. 3944” seems to have passed both Houses (but note the Notes), but that’s it – nothing’s been signed.

      Lots of things are excluded from a “government shutdown” these days, and POTUS can decide (to at least some extent) what’s “essential”, so every one of these things under 47 (and 45) is a bit unpredictable…

      Grr…

      Best wishes,
      Scott.

      Reply
    226. 226.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 2:26 pm

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Many of those western areas have a rather high population density so would have to have those in any event. I live in a county that has a higher population density than some states. The state I live in has a population density over 20% larger than the next state. The county I was born in and still live in has a larger population than 40 states.

      This country is rather interesting if you ever get a chance to see most of it. I’ve lived on both coasts and in the middle and have been to every state. Driven coast to coast a few times, from different starting states. Have at least been to all 50 of them, plus a few different countries/continents when in the USN. Worked in professional sports, at events in a lot of states. Was once told by a car rental company that I was in the top 5% of renters. I’ve traveled so much it amazes me when I traveled and talked to people that have never left their state, or even more their county. It’s a big world out there and I’m very lucky that I got to see a lot of it and talk to people in other parts of it.

      Reply
    227. 227.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 2:26 pm

      @Another Scott: ​”POTUS. K-I-N-G, POTUS.”

      Reply
    228. 228.

      Gin & Tonic

      September 20, 2025 at 2:28 pm

      @different-church-lady: ​

      Won an election to the Senate.

      Five times!

      Reply
    229. 229.

      Captain C

      September 20, 2025 at 2:28 pm

      @Betty Cracker:

      My guess is they pulled it because a documentary with significant quotes from Kirk would reveal that he held extremist views that would be repugnant to normal people.

      Narrator:  “Look at this brave martyr for truth and freedom of speech!”

      Kirk:  “God says gays should be stoned to death.  Women should cheerfully and silently serve and obey their husbands.  Taylor Swift should shut up.  Kids should be happy to die for the Blood God the Second Amendment.  People who disagree with me should be silenced and eliminated”

      Narrator:  “Such a champion of free speech.  Such a lovely boy.”

      Reply
    230. 230.

      Ruckus

      September 20, 2025 at 2:31 pm

      @different-church-lady:

      Why?

      Have you ever been in one? Or are you referring to an older post of mine?

      And BTW I have been in one. Glad I have other skills.

      Reply
    231. 231.

      TerryC

      September 20, 2025 at 2:32 pm

      @Llelldorin: I have ordered an American flag blazer to wear the next chance I get. I think we should take back the flag. Can you picture an old man handing a soldier a flag and being pushed to the ground? They have abandoned both the flag and its principles. Make it ours again.

       

      @Llelldorin:

      Reply
    232. 232.

      satby

      September 20, 2025 at 2:52 pm

      @indycat32: There’s no rescue that will take them? Or is this the lackadaisical neighbor again?

      Reply
    233. 233.

      Captain C

      September 20, 2025 at 2:56 pm

      @Scout211: Plus, Kimmel might at this point just tell Disney, “Fuck you guys, talk to my lawyer about the extremely large settlement you’re going to give me on my way out.”

      Reply
    234. 234.

      different-church-lady

      September 20, 2025 at 3:03 pm

      @Ruckus: No animosity intended. I’m just looking to point out that in our society there are a great number of people who take risks to their physical well being without the compensation high achievement grants, and they go almost entirely unrecognized.

      Reply
    235. 235.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 3:15 pm

      @Ruckus: I read historian Heather Cox Richardson’s Letters From an American every day and while she acknowledges the horrors of our current American Nightmare she always emphasizes the power citizens have had and continue to have in this moment and cites numerous examples of actions people are taking, quoting from speech by Rep Jason Crow, Dem rep from Colorado:

      Coach Youman Wilder, who stood up to ICE agents when they started interrogating kids on a baseball diamond in Harlem. A schoolteacher in Twisp, Washington, who joins protests against cuts to Medicaid and SNAP every Saturday because, she says, “Democracy only works if we work it.” Massive demonstrations across the nation in April. Parents in Washington, D.C., patrolling schoolyards to protect the rights of students and other parents as ICE agents are raiding and the National Guard is on the streets. Journalists around the country “reporting the truth, despite threats to them and their family.”

      Reply
    236. 236.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 3:24 pm

      My rep sends weekly emails, hold zoom meetings every 6- 8 weeks, conducts town halls throughout the district and periodically has in person support in different locations to help people with problems with Medicare, SS, etc. Didn’t even realize I don’t get mailers and I’m a luddite LOL

      This is reply to Stinger at #218.

      Reply
    237. 237.

      stinger

      September 20, 2025 at 4:14 pm

      @Kathleen: Thanks, good to know! Sounds like your rep must be a Democrat. Sadly, I am represented by Republicans, and there is NO written informational outreach. One conducts town halls but with little advance notice. The others — zilch.

      Reply
    238. 238.

      chemiclord

      September 20, 2025 at 5:11 pm

      @Betty Cracker: If there is one thing that American voters have demonstrated time after time after time, it’s that they hate trying to grasp nuance, and love to embrace easy to remember soundbites.

      Which do you think “purple state” voters will resonate with.

      “This Democrat refused to decry political violence!”

      or

      “Now, listen the issue was far more complicated than just condemning the killing of Charlie Kirk, which I do condemn, but there was far more to my vote than that, one which is grounded in the First Amendment…” (At this point, the voters’ eyes have glazed over in disinterest)

      Reply
    239. 239.

      JustRuss

      September 20, 2025 at 5:34 pm

      @JerseyBeard:  Friend of mine is a grad student from Mexico, he does field work in the MAGAt hinterlands.  He’s noticed there’s a lot fewer Trump flags flying there these days.

      Reply
    240. 240.

      Kathleen

      September 20, 2025 at 9:18 pm

      @stinger: Yes. I suffered with a Rethuglican Rep for decades (except for a brief 2 year respite after which the Dem rep lost his seat because he voted for ACA and received death threats from “Right to Life”. Actually a gerrymandered map for OH#1 turned out to help Dems Rethugs are gerrymandering the gerrymander for 2026 so we shall see.

      Reply

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