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Wednesday Morning Open Thread: Change Is In the Air

by Anne Laurie|  September 24, 20255:56 am| 191 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Popular Culture, Proud to Be A Democrat, Trumpery

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New extended definition of Remote Control @newyorker.com new issue

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— Eric Topol (@erictopol.bsky.social) September 19, 2025 at 11:40 AM

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I'm not sure to what degree this is Trump physically or mentally declining versus the administration losing steam & pursuing diminishing returns to keep the show's ratings up. Frankly, I don't need to be. Whatever brings them low is in my interest, in Democrats' interest, & in America's interest.

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— Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST (@chathamharrison.bsky.social) September 23, 2025 at 11:16 PM

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Adelita Grijalva wins CD7 election, becoming successor for late father Raúl Grijalva, AP projects

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— Juan Escalante (@juansaaa.com) September 23, 2025 at 11:17 PM

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CNN: Breaking news tonight, Democrats securing the final push they need to force a vote on the release of the Epstein files as Democrat Adelita Grijalva wins the special election in Arizona's 7th congressional district

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) September 23, 2025 at 11:24 PM

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Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein holding hands, titled "Best Friends Forever," which appeared on the National Mall in Washington D.C. in front of the US Capitol today.
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— Dorothee V. Plessis (@dorotheevplessis.bsky.social) September 23, 2025 at 9:14 PM

Per the Washington Post:

A spray-painted bronze statue titled “Best Friends Forever” that depicts President Trump and disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein holding hands was placed on the National Mall in front of the U.S. Capitol early Tuesday morning. The work is the latest in a series of politically charged sculptures critical of the president that have been placed in Washington and elsewhere by an anonymous group.

A plaque at the base of the installation reads, “We celebrate the long-lasting bond between President Donald J. Trump and his ‘closest friend,’ Jeffrey Epstein.”…

The National Park Service issued a permit for the sculpture that allows it to remain on the Mall until 8 p.m. Sunday. The purpose for the artwork stated on the permit application is “to demonstrate freedom of speech and artistic expression using political imagery.”

The new sculpture is similar in style and content to several previous installations by an anonymous group of artists such as one in June titled “Dictator Approved” that included statements of support for Trump from authoritarian leaders Russian President Vladimir Putin, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro and North Korea’s Kim Jong Un.

The first piece of protest art by the group appeared last October when it installed a replica of former House speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-California) desk that included a (fake) pile of poop on top of it. That work paid mock tribute to the Jan. 6 rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election.

The Washington Post was alerted to the Trump and Epstein statue early Tuesday morning by a text from someone claiming to be one of the artists responsible for its creation and its predecessors. His identity has not been confirmed by The Post but he has provided information about the artworks that would only be available to someone involved in their manufacture and placement…

Last week, a statue of Trump was temporarily placed on the Mall by a group apparently honoring him for his support of Bitcoin. The artist responsible for the statues placed Tuesday of Trump and Epstein said there was no connection between the Bitcoin statue and his group’s efforts…

 

For those of you who didn’t get to watch last night:

Twenty-one million subscribers, according to YouTube, and the number of views clicking steadily upwards from approximately 2,500,000 around 3am to over 5,000,000 now. They’ll be cleaning catsup off the fake-gilded walls of the White House!

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    1. 1.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 6:07 am

      Less expensive to have showings across the country of Piss Trump.
      //

      Reply
    2. 2.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:07 am

      The second, third, and fourth fifth Blue sky posts are not posting.

      Reply
    3. 3.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      September 24, 2025 at 6:11 am

      @Baud: For all of them, I’m getting messages saying “Post not found; it may have been deleted.”

      Reply
    4. 4.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:12 am

      @Bruce K in ATH-GR:

      They’re all loading slowly, but some come through for me.

      ETA

      Third post just came through.

      Reply
    5. 5.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:22 am

      Looks like Blue sky is fixing the problem. They’re all visible now

      Loading is still slow.

      Reply
    6. 6.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 24, 2025 at 6:23 am

      I see 5 Bluesky posts. They do load slowly.

      I think Kimmel did fine. Maybe a little too deferential to the fee-fees of the fascists, but he stuck the knife into Hair Furvor enough to get the desired response from the toddler. Hopefully Kimmel uses the additional attention to ask Trump what his good friend Charlie said about the Epstein files.

      Reply
    7. 7.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:23 am

      Congrats to Adelita Grijalva.

      Reply
    8. 8.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:24 am

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      I see 5 Bluesky posts

      There. Are. Four. Lights Posts!

      Reply
    9. 9.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:29 am

      But according to the Associated Press’s Farnoush Amiri, an anonymous U.N. official said the escalator in question was actually stopped prematurely by someone from Trump’s group, who ran ahead of the group and accidentally triggered a stop mechanism. The official added that the teleprompter that Trump was so upset about was also being operated by his White House.

      Reply
    10. 10.

      Princess

      September 24, 2025 at 6:31 am

      @Baud: evidently she’s the 218th vote for the discharge petition on the Epstein files.

      Reply
    11. 11.

      Princess

      September 24, 2025 at 6:33 am

      @Baud: That’s what happens when you hire for sycophancy not competence . I’m old enough to remember when it was bad for a president to even use a teleprompter.

      Reply
    12. 12.

      Jeffro

      September 24, 2025 at 6:37 am

      @NotMax: you know what would really be less expensive for the country?  ditching trump

      let me count the ways…

      Reply
    13. 13.

      Princess

      September 24, 2025 at 6:39 am

      There’s something wrong over at bluesky. I can’t see these posts and over there no new post has uploaded for an hour.

      Reply
    14. 14.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 24, 2025 at 6:43 am

      @Baud: Weird. I see Bluesky posts from

      1. Eric Topol
      2. Chatham Harrison dba TRUMP DELENDUS EST
      3. Juan Escalante
      4. Acyn
      5. Dorothee V. Plessis

      Picard was confused.

      Reply
    15. 15.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 6:44 am

      Turkish security analyst Levent Kemal on Trump’s U.N. speech:

          We are living in a simulation of madness.

      A Turkish ex-pat replied from Chicago:

         His speech made us feel like we are diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

      Reply
    16. 16.

      Chief Oshkosh

      September 24, 2025 at 6:45 am

      @Princess: Hopefully Trump will spend quality time in his next presser complaining about the UN’s lack of competent teleprompter operators and the broke-down escalator.

      Next up? Strawberries and steel balls!

      Reply
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      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 6:50 am

      @Geminid: I beg pardon, it’s not a SIMULATION of madness.

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    18. 18.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 6:50 am

      Mark Zuckerberg showed Google how to make Republicans happy

      tl;dr blame Biden

      Reply
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      zhena gogolia

      September 24, 2025 at 6:53 am

      The New Yorker can go f themselves. Anyone remember Biden and Pelosi on walkers?

      Reply
    20. 20.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 6:59 am

      The Boston Globe and other Massachusetts news sites report the Rep. Seth Moulton is seriously considering a primary run against Senator Ed Markey, who is up for reelction next year. Moulton is 46 years-old old, and Markey is 79.

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      MagdaInBlack

      September 24, 2025 at 7:02 am

      @Geminid: I’ve been saying we’re living in the “Twilight Zone.”

      Reply
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      TS

      September 24, 2025 at 7:02 am

      @Baud:

      of course, but trump will always blame anyone other than himself and his incompetent staff. The latter really are useless, no-one with an iota of skill/competence would work for him.

      Reply
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      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 7:06 am

      Inquiring minds want to know how the simultaneous translation handled his use of ‘braggadocious’ in the “Your countries all suck” logorrhea.

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      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:06 am

      @TS:

      I had thought the escalator actually had a problem. So it was news to me.

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      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:07 am

      @Geminid:

      I think I’d prefer Markey to Moulton, but since Dems have decided that age a critical issue, I can’t fault Moulton for seizing the moment.

      Reply
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      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 7:08 am

      @TS: Seems like the teleprompter SNAFU would be on Trump’s UN mission staff.

      Reply
    27. 27.

      Jeffg166

      September 24, 2025 at 7:09 am

      @Chief Oshkosh:

      The strawberry phase is getting very close. Sad.

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      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:10 am

      @zhena gogolia:

      Savviness is its own point of view.

      Reply
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      MagdaInBlack

      September 24, 2025 at 7:10 am

      @Geminid: It was. They did BYO “technology”, and that worked out as one might expect with these idiots.

      Plus, with trump at the wheel, well…..

      Reply
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      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:13 am

      Didn’t Bill Clinton face a broken teleprompter during a SOTU and he winged it exceptionally well?

      Reply
    31. 31.

      CarolM

      September 24, 2025 at 7:14 am

      @Baud: I understood that reference!

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    32. 32.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 7:15 am

      @Baud: I think some of the people complaining about the supposed Democratic “gerontacracy” use this issue as a “stalking horse.” Their real beef is with the moderate wing of the party. A Moulton run would test their principles.

      Reply
    33. 33.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 7:16 am

      @MagdaInBlack

      Operating like a well oiled soiled machine.

      Reply
    34. 34.

      rikyrah

      September 24, 2025 at 7:17 am

      Good Morning Everyone 😊 😊 😊

      Reply
    35. 35.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 24, 2025 at 7:17 am

      @NotMax: 😊

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    36. 36.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:18 am

      @Geminid:

      IIRC, Markey’s last primary was against young Patrick Kennedy, and Markey’s age wasn’t an issue. If course, he’s going to be six years older this time.

      Reply
    37. 37.

      Ramalama

      September 24, 2025 at 7:18 am

      Kimmel gets his show back but not Colbert? Did everyone discuss this already?

      Reply
    38. 38.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:18 am

      @rikyrah:

      Good morning.

      Reply
    39. 39.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 7:23 am

      @Geminid: A lot of them are big Bernie Sanders fans. He’s 84.

      Reply
    40. 40.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 7:24 am

      @Ramalama: Colbert certainly did.

      Reply
    41. 41.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 7:25 am

      Kimmel’s band missed a bet by not playing “If I Could Turn Back Time.”
      //

      Reply
    42. 42.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:26 am

      @Geminid:

      Other people might throw their hat in the ring too.

      Reply
    43. 43.

      MagdaInBlack

      September 24, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @NotMax: “Time Is On My Side.”

      Reply
    44. 44.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:28 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      I’ve seen some click bait posts on Reddit about AOC running for president, but thankfully nothing on Sanders doing so. Yet.

      Reply
    45. 45.

      Bruce K in ATH-GR

      September 24, 2025 at 7:29 am

      @Ramalama: Well, Kimmel’s situation is a much more blatant First Amendment violation.

      Reply
    46. 46.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 7:33 am

      @Baud

      Dear FSM, can we get through the midterms first?

      Reply
    47. 47.

      Marcopolo

      September 24, 2025 at 7:35 am

      Just dropping in to note the win for Adelita Grijalva in AZ-7 is another special election over performance for Ds.  Looks to be +20.  Not sure when the number crunchers will dig in to the final results but sure seems like R Hispanic support dropped off a lot.

      Reply
    48. 48.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:35 am

      @NotMax:

      A large number of Reddit posts are about distracting people with squirrels and shiny objects.

      Reply
    49. 49.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 7:36 am

      Good mornin’, y’all!

      Posted this on Bluesky last night so I thought I’d share it here:

      Totally non-political but very serious question  – Do hummingbirds kill each other?

      Reason I ask is I found a dead one on a feeder today & nearly all feathers on back of his head had been pecked off.

      Ms. Biskits reported that earlier today, there were around 20 at that feeder.

      So .. I’m wondering.

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    50. 50.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:37 am

      @Nukular Biskits:

      Maybe the hummingbirds are being framed by the armadillo.

      Reply
    51. 51.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 7:42 am

      There has not been much reporting on the “Gaza summit” Trump held yesterday with leaders from seven Arab and Muslim nations. Turkish President Erdogan said afterwards that it was a good meeting, and Steve Witkoff gave reporters a thumbs-up when reporters asked about it.

      The optics were interesting. The eight leaders sat at U-shaped table arangement, with three of them on either side. Uncharacteristically, Trump shared the head table with the Turkish president. I thought, “Yeah, it’s the Sultan and the Null-tan.”

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    52. 52.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:44 am

      @Marcopolo:

      Thanks. I actually thought it was a bluer district than that.

      Reply
    53. 53.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 7:45 am

      @Geminid:

      If Trump was there, that meeting was unproductive. I assume all the real work is occurring behind the scenes.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      geg6

      September 24, 2025 at 7:46 am

      @Ramalama:

      I think because Colbert isn’t set to end until, I think, May.  Word is that CBS may be waiting and then perhaps decide they didn’t really mean to cancel him.  Or they’ll forget.  Or something.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 7:49 am

      @Geminid

      About as anodyne a statement as ever wert.

      Reply
    56. 56.

      Ramalama

      September 24, 2025 at 7:54 am

      @Matt McIrvin: I’ve been recording Colbert’s show on dvr. A backlog to look forward to.

      Reply
    57. 57.

      Ohio Mom

      September 24, 2025 at 8:02 am

      @Nukular Biskits: I just googled that question and the answer is yes. But I didn’t see anything specifically about attacks to the back of the head.

      Reply
    58. 58.

      New Deal democrat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:05 am

      In the good news department, it appears that Ball State University and the State of Indiana are about to enter the “find out” portion of FAFO when it comes to retaliation for government employee free speech.

      Via NPR,
       ipm.org/news/2025-09-22/fired-over-post-about-charlie-kirk-ball-state-staff-member-sues-university-p…

      Backed by the Indiana chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, Suzanne Swierc is alleging that the university violated her First Amendment rights when it fired her for a private Facebook post.
       
      In a Sept. 17 statement, Ball State announced it had terminated the employment of Swierc, effective immediately, after it found her comments were “inconsistent with the distinctive nature and trust” of her role.

      The lawsuit says Swierc’s privacy settings allowed the post to be seen only by people who were her friends on Facebook. It also said she listed only her name in her profile, not her city, employer, or other personal information.

      Swierc’s lawsuit says someone obtained a screenshot of her post and made a graphic with it next to her entry in Ball State University’s staff directory. That graphic was distributed on social media and was submitted to the Secretary of State Todd Rokita’s “Eyes on Education Portal.”

      Rokita eventually posted the graphic on multiple social media platforms.

      On Sept. 15, she was asked to meet with employee relations at Ball State. Two days later, she was given a letter saying she was fired.

      Here is the entirety of Swiec’s post. It appears perfectly reasonable to me:
       

      “Let me be clear: if you think Charlie Kirk was a wonderful person, we can’t be friends.
      His death is a tragedy, and I can and do feel for his wife and children.

      “I believe in the Resurrection, and while it’s difficult, I can and do pray for is soul.
      Charlie Kirk’s death is a reflection of the violence, tear, and hatred he sowed. It does not excuse his death, AND it’s a sad truth.

      “The shooting is a tragedy, and I can and do feel for a college campus experiencing an active shooter situaton.

      “The deaths of Melissa and Mark Hortman, the children shot and killed in Minneapolis last month, and the children shot in Colorado today are all tragedies that also deserve your attention.

      “Charlie Kirk excused the deaths of children in the name of the second amendment.”
      ——-

      P.S.: Bluesky is completely borked on both of my Apple devices.

      Reply
    59. 59.

      narya

      September 24, 2025 at 8:07 am

      @Baud: Why? I was trying to remember if we liked Moulton but am too lazy to rummage around the intertubes to figure it out.

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:10 am

      @narya:

      If I remember correctly, Moulton is more centrist in his policies and Markey is more to the left. That’s all.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 8:11 am

      @narya: He’s one of these guys who tried to curry centrist favor by saying trans girls in sports scared him. Not fond of him just for that.

      I do like his advocacy for a Boston North-South Station rail link, though that’s a distant fantasy at best.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:11 am

      @New Deal democrat:

      Perfect case, sounds like.

      Reply
    63. 63.

      narya

      September 24, 2025 at 8:12 am

      @Baud: Yeah, that was my vague thought. As long as he doesn’t Fetterman and isn’t anti-choice, I don’t care all that much. I have my own district to worry about right now.

      @Matt McIrvin:  Hmm. THAT bothers me. So, let’s add “isn’t trans-bashing” to my short list.

      Reply
    64. 64.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 24, 2025 at 8:13 am

      @Nukular Biskits: Hummingbirds are very territorial and constantly run off interlopers when feeding.  I have four feeders on our back deck and have witnessed them fighting and dive bombing each other numerous times so a casualty amongst the ranks would not surprise me.

      Reply
    65. 65.

      Scout211

      September 24, 2025 at 8:16 am

      Trump’s reaction to Kimmel being reinstated, on his Truth Social:

      I can’t believe ABC Fake News gave Jimmy Kimmel his job back. The White House was told by ABC that his Show was cancelled! Something happened between then and now because his audience is GONE, and his “talent” was never there. Why would they want someone back who does so poorly, who’s not funny, and who puts the Network in jeopardy by playing 99% positive Democrat GARBAGE. He is yet another arm of the DNC and, to the best of my knowledge, that would be a major Illegal Campaign Contribution. I think we’re going to test ABC out on this. Let’s see how we do. Last time I went after them, they gave me $16 Million Dollars. This one sounds even more lucrative. A true bunch of losers! Let Jimmy Kimmel rot in his bad Ratings.

      This is a very weird response and not in all caps and mostly full sentences.  His team seems to be trying to make his social posts less bonkers.

      (bold added)

      Reply
    66. 66.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 8:17 am

      @Nukular Biskits: 20?!? Sounds like a gangland hit. Sad that there was a casualty. They are violent little buggers.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 8:17 am

      @narya: Mind you, he’s been generally pro-trans-rights in votes and has critiqued Trump’s trans-bashing, but he does this split-the-difference thing.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      snoey

      September 24, 2025 at 8:19 am

      @They Call Me Noni: One of my kids acquaintances got a long coveted grant to study Central American hummingbirds.

      Came back hating the little assholes.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:20 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Yeah, to my knowledge, aside from has-been Rahm, the “debate” among the national party politicians is limited to trans girls in sports.

      Reply
    70. 70.

      JML

      September 24, 2025 at 8:20 am

      @geg6: It seems like Colbert is in a different situation than Kimmel, for a variety of reasons. His show didn’t seem to be adjusting to the paradigm shift for how people increasingly consume late night comedy (i.e., via YouTube, etc) and wasn’t building out that audience to compensate. Kimmel, for instance, also does a lot more for ABC than Colbert does for CBS too. If cancelling Colbert was just about appeasing the fascists in the WH, Paramount would have had to dump South Park too, right?

      It’s going to be interesting to see where things go with Kimmel after this initial burst. Are the local right-wing conglomerates (Sinclair & Nexstar) going to keep not airing him? Will people care? Will ABC worry about it so long as the YouTube clips keep popping? Will the Orange Idiot try to resume his vendetta, or will he get distracted by something shiny?

      Reply
    71. 71.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 8:21 am

       

       

      @Matt McIrvin: Moulton was responding to a high school sports controversy in his district. As I recall, one or two teams refused to play another with a transgender player because they said she was injuring other players with excessively rough play. It sounded to me like it might have been a referee problem.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 8:22 am

      @Scout211: And yet, he’s still just flat-out promising to punish Disney/ABC for airing dissent.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 8:24 am

      @JML:

      His show didn’t seem to be adjusting to the paradigm shift for how people increasingly consume late night comedy (i.e., via YouTube, etc)

      It’ll be interesting to see if NBC/Universal throws Seth Meyers under the bus, since Trump is openly calling for his head too–it seems to me that Meyers *has* done that.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      narya

      September 24, 2025 at 8:24 am

      @Matt McIrvin: @Baud: Ah, okay, that’s good. I still think the sports thing is ridiculous for soooo many reasons and is being used as a way to monitor ALL girls’ participation in sports. Okay, now I can go back to worrying about my district.

      Reply
    75. 75.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:24 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      There’s no cost to him, so he’s going to do it.

      Reply
    76. 76.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:27 am

      @Baud:

      Should have specified Dem politicians.

      Reply
    77. 77.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:28 am

      @zhena gogolia: Its good that this is an AL thread because there are some FPers who call this relitigating the past and frown on it

      Censorship is very fashionable these days

      But yes fuck the NewYorker.

      Reply
    78. 78.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:32 am

      OT is anyone here going to do the Inktober challenge?

      Reply
    79. 79.

      JML

      September 24, 2025 at 8:32 am

      @Matt McIrvin: yes, Myers & Fallon have both done well in packaging their stuff for an online audience in ways that someone like Colbert hasn’t. Myers also has Lorne is his corner, who is still a significant player.

      Reply
    80. 80.

      Soprano2

      September 24, 2025 at 8:34 am

      @New Deal democrat: But…but….but….I’ve been reliably told by conservatives I know that no people have been fired for saying things like that, it was only for celebrating his death! /s/s/s/s/s/s

      Reply
    81. 81.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:35 am

      To everyone who helped reinstall a man who tried to stage a coup when he lost. A hearty fuck you. This includes all those late night comedians making unfunny and stale Biden is too old jokes. All the uncommitted folks and everyone supposedly on our side who don’t lose a single opportunity to shit on Ds even when their priorities/issues are addressed. You are the reason why we are here.

      This includes Bernie Bro late night comedians. I am looking at you Colbert and Jon Stewart.

      Reply
    82. 82.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:40 am

      Huntington’s disease successfully treated for first time

      RFK Jr is sad.

      Reply
    83. 83.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:40 am

      Trump administration rehires hundreds of federal employees laid off by DOGE

      Reply
    84. 84.

      narya

      September 24, 2025 at 8:42 am

      @Baud: I was just coming back to post that. Amazing. I can’t even imagine what those results were like for the patients and the docs.

      Reply
    85. 85.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 8:43 am

      @Baud:

      I KNEW IT!

      Reply
    86. 86.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 8:44 am

      @Ohio Mom:

      I know they’re very fierce and territorial … but I have never seen anything like that.

      Reply
    87. 87.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 8:45 am

      @snoey:

      @They Call Me Noni: One of my kids acquaintances got a long coveted grant to study Central American hummingbirds.

      Came back hating the little assholes.

      LOL!

      Reply
    88. 88.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 8:46 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      I always considered them to be very aggressive with each other, particularly when it comes to food.

      But “hummingbird violence” was not a phrase that had ever crossed my mind until yesterday.

      Reply
    89. 89.

      Soprano2

      September 24, 2025 at 8:47 am

      @Baud: Wow, that’s a big deal. Huntington’s is a particularly devastating disease. It’s too bad we have a government now that’s bound and determined to destroy medical research in this country

      ETA – this kind of thing is a great opportunity for Democrats to do that “us vs. them” stuff, by saying “We want to fund this kind of research to help you, Republicans want to defund it to give people like Jeff Bezos bigger tax cuts”. That would be an effective message. They have defunded all kinds of research that we could use that message on.

      Reply
    90. 90.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 8:47 am

      @Baud:

      Baud
      September 24, 2025 at 8:40 am

      Huntington’s disease successfully treated for first time

      RFK Jr is sad.

      I take it the treatment involved something other than sunlight and vitamins?

      Reply
    91. 91.

      Jackie

      September 24, 2025 at 8:47 am

      @Princess:

      @Baud: evidently she’s the 218th vote for the discharge petition on the Epstein files.

      Now we have to hope FFOTUS isn’t able to threaten Mace and/or Boebert badly enough to change their minds.

      Reply
    92. 92.

      Jeffro

      September 24, 2025 at 8:48 am

      I see that Oklahoma is leading the way, if ‘the way’ = ‘complete cult insanity’

      Every OK high school to have a Turning Point USA chapter

      (this is on top of one of their state legislators pushing a bill to put a statue of CK on every OK college campus)

      It’s tempting to joke and say, “so…statues at BOTH campuses, then?” but there’s actually 25(!).   That’s a fair amount of bronze, y’all.

      Reply
    93. 93.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:48 am

      @Soprano2:

      Cures are woke.

      Reply
    94. 94.

      Belafon

      September 24, 2025 at 8:49 am

      @Ramalama: Kimmel’s nearing the end of his current contract, and there were rumors he wasn’t planning on extending it before all of this happened.

      Reply
    95. 95.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:52 am

      @Baud: Science is woke, scientists are woke. BTW why is being woke bad. Is it better to be sleepwalking into the 19th century instead?

      Reply
    96. 96.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:52 am

      /r/democrats bring the Newsom vibe

      President Obama on an escalator at the UN 2015.

      Reply
    97. 97.

      Scout211

      September 24, 2025 at 8:52 am

      @Nukular Biskits: I take it the treatment involved something other than sunlight and vitamins?

      Gene therapy rather than supplements supplied by Dr. Oz’s companies.

      From the BBC link Baud posted:

      An emotional research team became tearful as they described how data shows the disease was slowed by 75% in patients.

      It means the decline you would normally expect in one year would take four years after treatment, giving patients decades of “good quality life”, Prof Sarah Tabrizi told BBC News.

      The new treatment is a type of gene therapy given during 12 to 18 hours of delicate brain surgery.

      ETA: to emphasize that the treatment is a reduction in the progression of the disease and not a cure.

      Reply
    98. 98.

      XeckyGilchrist

      September 24, 2025 at 8:54 am

      This is great, but I will believe that Trump’s losing support when I see it. Many thanks to WaterGirl et al. here for keeping the activism going.

      Reply
    99. 99.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 8:57 am

      The U.S. Physics Team made history at the 2025 International Physics Olympiad in Paris, sweeping all five gold medals. They outperformed 85 other countries.

      Reply
    100. 100.

      Eyeroller

      September 24, 2025 at 8:58 am

      @Baud: According to the article it’s not yet a cure.  It slows progression by 75% so victims can have a more normal lfe for a much longer time.  That’s a huge win, of course.

      The treatment sounds like it would require significant expertise and expense but fortunately Huntington’s is rare so many or most patients may be able to benefit.  And we can hope the treatment will be refined.

      Reply
    101. 101.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 8:59 am

      @Baud: I am sure some of them were children of immigrants so not American enough for the nativist crew.

      Reply
    102. 102.

      They Call Me Noni

      September 24, 2025 at 9:01 am

      @snoey: They are fierce little critters!  But I do love watching mine and our outside space is eerily quiet when they fly south in the fall.

      Reply
    103. 103.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @schrodingers_cat: click through (warning, they’re posing with Trump)

      Reply
    104. 104.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 9:02 am

      @Baud: I have seen that photo on Twitter. I did read an Indian sounding name IIRC. I see one white person and even he may be a child of immigrants.

      Reply
    105. 105.

      The Other Bob

      September 24, 2025 at 9:04 am

      @Baud:

      There. Are. Four. Lights Posts!

       

      Awesome Star Trek reference.  Very applicable to todays environment.

      Reply
    106. 106.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 9:05 am

      @Baud: If Trump was there, that meeting was unproductive.

      Yes.  I read an interesting explanation of Trump’s behavior:  In order to block any knowledge or new information that may enter his brain, he talks all the time.

      Reply
    107. 107.

      Shalimar

      September 24, 2025 at 9:07 am

      @geg6: All CBS has to do with Colbert is negotiate a new contract and announce it when it’s done.  The reason the show is cancelled is because they told him they don’t want to, and he announced they are ending the show when this contract is over.  Seems like an easy situation to undo any time before May if they’re willing.

      Reply
    108. 108.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 9:08 am

      @schrodingers_cat: Of course, isn’t Trump the child of an immigrant?

       

      That case  doesn’t count. Also his own youngest son.

      Reply
    109. 109.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 9:09 am

      /r/Massachusetts: Markey too old but Moulton not preferred.

      Reply
    110. 110.

      Scout211

      September 24, 2025 at 9:12 am

      Multiple  people were shot at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement facility in Dallas, Texas, the morning of Sept. 24, officials said.

      “Details are still emerging but we can confirm there were multiple injuries and fatalities,” Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

      At least three people were injured but their conditions were unknown, Tod Lyons, the acting director of ICE, told CNN.
      A shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Noem said.

      “While we don’t know motive yet, we know that our ICE law enforcement is facing unprecedented violence against them. It must stop,” she said.

      The shooting happened at the ICE field office in Dallas, located at 8101 North Stemmons Freeway, reports said. Traffic cameras from the Texas Department of Transportation near the facility showed a heavy law enforcement presence as of about 7:35 a.m. local time.

      Thanks, ICE Barbie.  Fomenting violence and taking zero responsibility for it.

      Reply
    111. 111.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @Matt McIrvin: One point in Moulton’s favor, he serves good breakfasts at the Dem Convention in MA. Other than that he is a pompous ass.

      Reply
    112. 112.

      Belafon

      September 24, 2025 at 9:12 am

      @schrodingers_cat: I’m sure, in Trump’s brain, Physics Olympiad just means throwing things, and he really doesn’t mind gladiators.

      Reply
    113. 113.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 9:13 am

      @catclub: If you are white it is alright.

      ETA: Not just his youngest son but also Ivanka and Don Jr and Eric.

      Vance’s children better be careful.

      Reply
    114. 114.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @Jackie: Mace is running for governor, so Trump may have leversge there. And Boebert is a bonehead and could be pressured also. I think Greene won’t be moved.

      Reply
    115. 115.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 9:18 am

      @NotMax: I would not say the statement was anodyne.  But that is the whole point of free speech rights.

      Once it was not linked in any way to her employer, the employer  cannot use it as an excuse to fire her.

      Reply
    116. 116.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 9:20 am

      @schrodingers_cat: yes, Ivana also an immigrant.

      Reply
    117. 117.

      Eyeroller

      September 24, 2025 at 9:23 am

      @snoey: ​They are doing what they have to do to survive. They have very high metabolic demands so a steady food supply is critical.

      Other birds also kill one another occasionally, particularly if one wants to take over another’s nesting site. though that’s usually interspecies violence.

      A food source that concentrates hummers, like a feeder, is especially prone to attacks. Nukular lives where ruby-throats are migrating now (most would probably be heading back to Mexico and Central America for the winter).

      Reply
    118. 118.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 9:27 am

      @Baud: It’s the single most effective wedge issue to split people against trans rights, since the facts in the matter are mildly counterintuitive, so naturally it’s always going to be dangled out there as bait.

      Reply
    119. 119.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 9:28 am

      At the UN meeting, the PRC making a move to seize the high ground in global trade regimes (gift ink to FT article below):

      China opens way to WTO reform by ceding future ‘developing country’ benefits

      Move follows long-standing US and EU objections to the practice

      China said it would no longer seek special treatment as a developing nation in World Trade Organization negotiations

      Joe Leahy in Beijing, Andy Bounds in Brussels and Peter Foster in London
      Published7 HOURS AGO
      Updated 20:0

      Additional commentary from Richard Baldwin:

      Richard Baldwin @BaldwinRE

      Is China stepping up to WTO leadership just as the US is stepping back?  
      WTO always allowed sweetheart treatment for developing countries: “special and differential treatment” China claimed to be a developing nation up till now. That changed yesterday
      “China will not seek any new special and differential treatment in the current and future World Trade Organization negotiations,” said Li, China’s second-ranked official after President Xi Jinping The implications are complex, unclear and long-term.
      The most important takeaway is that China is now acting like the adult in the room when it comes to the world trading system while the former leader is throwing toys out of the pram.
      Or at least that’s how this news makes it look.

      Reply
    120. 120.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 9:32 am

      @Geminid: If I had to guess, I’d predict Mace will cave and hypocritically frame doing so as an act to protect Epstein’s victims, invoking her own alleged victimhood as always. That’s her shtick.

      Reply
    121. 121.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 9:35 am

      @Eyeroller:

      Never seen this before but, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

      Sounds like I need to spread the horde out a little by adding feeders.

      Reply
    122. 122.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 9:35 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      This would be the most high profile use of that schtick.

      Reply
    123. 123.

      bluefoot

      September 24, 2025 at 9:39 am

      @Baud: Yep. I voted for Markey in that primary. Kennedy didn’t really have anything going for him except the name. IMO Markey has been excellent. Plus his office has always responded when I’ve called or emailed, so that’s a plus for me.

      Reply
    124. 124.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 9:39 am

      @schrodingers_cat: The white supremacist fringe definitely vocally disapproves of JD Vance’s marriage already.

      Reply
    125. 125.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 9:40 am

      @Baud: True, and if she goes that route, I hope it blows up in her face.

      @Nukular Biskits: We’ve got multiple feeders and still see hummies fighting over a single one when all they need to do is fly 15 feet to an unoccupied one. This is how I learned hummingbirds are Democrats. ;-)

      Reply
    126. 126.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: PRC leadership must be ecstatic about Trump discrediting the U.S. so thoroughly.

      Reply
    127. 127.

      Paul in KY

      September 24, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Nukular Biskits: I think they can.

      Reply
    128. 128.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 9:42 am

      A pretty hardheaded look at the geopolitical dilemma that Europe faces, caught between a maliciously threatening Russia, a wantonly coercive US, & a relentlessly competitive PRC, all haughtily dismissive, & the European leaders still lost at sea in how to navigate the geopolitical vice (link to opinion piece from the Guardian below, the last paragraphs exerted sums it up):

      Europe has lost one superpower ally – can it afford to be in the crosshairs of two?

      Nathalie Tocci

      Tue 23 Sep 2025 05.00 BST
      Last modified on Tue 23 Sep 2025 14.43 BST

      For years, the EU followed the US’s lead when it came to China. That is no longer an option and Beijing has other priorities

      …
      When I was in Beijing this month, I argued that Ukraine now represents a core interest for Europe, and that China’s stance on the war is the biggest thorn in Europe-China relations. I said that it was not only a question of values – on which, tragically, any remaining European credibility has collapsed since the Gaza war – but of security interests. The replies I got were telling. Just as Europeans now view their relationship with China through the lens of Russia, China sees Europe through the paradigm of its competition with the US. Beijing believes that if worst comes to worst in US-China relations, Europe would stand with Washington, notwithstanding Trump and the US’s abandonment and betrayal of Europe. For China, I was told, keeping Russia on side is a strategic must. In the current circumstances Russia trumps Europe from Beijing’s perspective. It’s hard not to see the logic.
      Russia represents a vital threat to European security and Europeans will bend over backwards to keep the US engaged in their defence. This is likely to fail – regardless of how much flattery and self-abasement they offer to Trump. And while Europe could potentially confront Russia without the US, it cannot do so while China is in its crosshairs too.
      This leaves Europe with no easy way out, but wishing the problem away is no answer.

      Reply
    129. 129.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 9:42 am

      @Matt McIrvin: Some upper caste Indians, many of whom are also rabid Sanghis (Modi supporters) think that they are honorary white people. They are soon going to find out how misguided that notion is.

      Sangh is short for the RSS. Indian version of fascism wearing saffron clothes, Modi is a life long member. The assassin of Gandhi was also a Sanghi

      Reply
    130. 130.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 9:44 am

      Rupar on the current topic.

      We shall see if one of the most unpopular presidents in American history who is presiding over an economy he’s trying to wreck and the poisoning of our diplomatic relations can consolidate a dictatorship. I’m pretty skeptical he has the juice, especially in his decayed state.

      — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) September 23, 2025 at 11:03 PM

      Reply
    131. 131.

      bluefoot

      September 24, 2025 at 9:45 am

      @Baud: That is awesome. I worked on Huntington’s disease earlier in my career. It’s been a very difficult nut to crack.

      Reply
    132. 132.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 9:46 am

      @bluefoot: I’m sure he’d be fine, but Joe Kennedy was never able to articulate a substantive reason to prefer him over Markey beyond “it’s my turn now”.

      (these days, his biggest problem is probably people confusing him with his insane uncle. Hell, I still sometimes get him mixed up with his dad.)

      Reply
    133. 133.

      Nukular Biskits

      September 24, 2025 at 9:47 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      LOL!

      Spring of 2024, when I had probably 20 – 30 buzzing the backyard, I had 4 feeders out … and the little bastards would indeed fight over one.

      Roughly the same for fall of 2024.

      This past spring, I had zero hummingbirds and was worried bird flu had wiped them out.  Neighbors reported seeing only 1 or 2 but I remember  you and other Jackals reporting seeing them en masse. I guess their migration path had shifted a little.

      This fall, I put 2 feeders out after sighting a solo hummer.  For about a week, we had only 2 or 3 show up.  I was surprised when Ms. Biskits reported seeing that many yesterday, but that was before I got home from work. And now I wonder if it was indeed a “gangland hit”.

      Reply
    134. 134.

      Shalimar

      September 24, 2025 at 9:48 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: I think the bold move for China would be to take the opportunity to build closer ties with Europe and separate them from America.  Most European leaders have no reason left to be loyal to Trump, and Europe is a more valuable ally than Russia.

      Reply
    135. 135.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 9:48 am

      @Betty Cracker: The “Developing Country” status (& in association being part of the “Third World”, the “Global South”, the “Non-Aligned Movement etc.) is such a strong part of the PRC’s self identity on the international stage ever since the Sino-Soviet split, I am a bit surprised the PRC is willing to give it up now.

      Of course, even Global South countries see the modern PRC as a superpower & no longer a developing economy whose interests are largely aligned w/ theirs. They still find in Beijing a more pragmatic, productive & empathetic partner than DC/Brussels/London/Paris/Berlin, albeit one that is also relentlessly self-interested & not necessarily benign.

      Reply
    136. 136.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 9:49 am

      @Betty Cracker:

      PRC leadership must be ecstatic about Trump discrediting the U.S. so thoroughly.

      Maybe? I mean, it’s more power for them, but on the other hand, a generally unstable and chaotic world order can be a problem for everyone trying to run a huge and important country.

      Reply
    137. 137.

      Soprano2

      September 24, 2025 at 9:50 am

      @schrodingers_cat: It’s the same as Stephen Miller believing they see him as a white man.

      I listened to Kimmel’s whole monologue, and I think he did a great job. I hadn’t listened to him much before, so I don’t know if that was typical, but I thought it was good and even laughed a few times.

      Reply
    138. 138.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 24, 2025 at 9:52 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: They would be utter fools not to capitalize on the Americans’ failure.

      Them guys ain’t stupid.

      Reply
    139. 139.

      Paul in KY

      September 24, 2025 at 9:52 am

      @Nukular Biskits: And walking barefoot in poo, surprisingly…

      Reply
    140. 140.

      Paul in KY

      September 24, 2025 at 9:53 am

      @Jeffro: They could double my salary and I’d never move to OK. Now if they quadrupled it….

      Reply
    141. 141.

      Soprano2

      September 24, 2025 at 9:58 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: I figure that what’s going to happen is that over the next 3 1/2 years the rest of the world is going to make deals among themselves and learn to get along without us as much as possible. I don’t know if we can ever come back from that.

      Reply
    142. 142.

      Paul in KY

      September 24, 2025 at 9:59 am

      @Betty Cracker: Agree. Think Mace will fold and give BS reasons, etc. etc.

      Reply
    143. 143.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 9:59 am

      @Soprano2: reminds me of Sarah Taber’s recent video about the guy who killed Charlie Kirk and the bit of anti-Mormon backlash on the right (there was one) that happened as a result of it: speaking as a person of LDS background, she explained to Mormon conservatives, who have been foot soldiers for the political right for decades, that “we are never going to be good enough for these people”.

      Reply
    144. 144.

      OGliberal

      September 24, 2025 at 10:05 am

      @Scout211: Outside of the shooter offing himself, the two folks who were killed were detainees, not ICE people.  So, we’ll see…

      Reply
    145. 145.

      Betty Cracker

      September 24, 2025 at 10:08 am

      @Matt McIrvin: Good point. A nuclear-armed clown car is alarming for everyone.

      Reply
    146. 146.

      Kirklin

      September 24, 2025 at 10:08 am

      @Scout211: As of the moment, it /appears/ that all the shooting victims were detainees. The shooter (in some reports barely more than rumor it’s a white male) is dead of an allegedly self-inflicted wound.

      So lots of allegedly/appears, but the first impression is that someone wanted to shoot some immigrants that were already in ICE control. And that’s weird.

      Reply
    147. 147.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 10:09 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      we are never going to be good enough for these people

       

      I could have told them that.

      Those people hang out with Mormons because they share a hatred of us.

      Without us, they’re screwed.

      Reply
    148. 148.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 24, 2025 at 10:09 am

      @Soprano2: I agree.

      As a continental  power, the US has the ability to go alone as well… but only after a decade or more of pain.

      This is Brexit, only bigger because we’re walking away from the entire global economy; and the gods themselves don’t know how much turmoil and suffering this will engender.

      Reply
    149. 149.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 24, 2025 at 10:11 am

      @Baud: If they managed to get rid of the rest of us— everyone who isn’t straight white and Christian… they’d start looking around and asking, “just what kind of Christian are YOU?”

      Pastor Niemöller, etc. etc…

      Reply
    150. 150.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 10:12 am

      Rapture insurers made bank yet again.

      Reply
    151. 151.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 10:14 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: We are creating a situation similar to the one that lead to the Great Depression.

      Reply
    152. 152.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 10:16 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: For China, I was told, keeping Russia on side is a strategic must.

       

      I think Poland blocking the border to trains full of Chinese goods for Europe will be a problem.

      I think Russia may turn out to be more of a dead weight in the China Russia relationship.

      Reply
    153. 153.

      catclub

      September 24, 2025 at 10:18 am

      @Paul in KY: Now if they quadrupled it….

       

      You could telecommute?

      Reply
    154. 154.

      iKropoclast

      September 24, 2025 at 10:22 am

      @Baud: Right, I don’t see myself voting for Moulton. Also, I don’t see myself voting in general for anyone whose primary argument is about the incumbent’s age.

      Reply
    155. 155.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 10:23 am

      @Shalimar: That is the logical move for both Beijing & Brussels, & yet things have not played out that way so far, see the opinion piece from the Guardian that I posted above.

      The EU vacillates across rapprochement w/ the PRC to counterbalance Trumpian US, coordinating (yet doing so partially & hesitantly) w/ said Trumpian US on economic/trade/tech. containment policies toward the PRC as price paid to “keep the US onside” guaranteeing European security, & demanding the PRC to cease providing economic support to Russia (via export of dual use goods & import of commodities) w/o presenting the carrots to incentivize Beijing to do so (or w/o equally hardline stances toward other key trading partners of Russia such as India, Türkiye, the UAE, Central Asia, etc.), all the while failing to commit to any of the aforementioned courses of action.

      In the mean time, PRC leaders do not treat any of the leaders of the EU as credible interlocutors worthy of investment in developing ties w/, because they do not believe the EU leaders can actually deliver the European capitals or is actually willing & able to achieve strategic independence from the US, & they do not care to hide their contempt, either. Beijing prefers to deal w/ the European capitals individually & employ divide & conquer.

      IMHO, recent comments by Finnish President Alexander Stubb wrt India is a prime exhibit of the European tendency to wish away a problem (in this instances via deus ex machina in the form of India):

      timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/not-like-russia-china-finlands-president-alexander-stubb-hails-ind…

      Such wishful thinking ignores the fact that, like the PRC, India is not an ally of Europe or the US, is a fiercely independent & selfish actor, have durable motivations behind its long standing ties w/ Russia, & under Modi is increasingly illiberal & revisionist in its own way, & New Delhi views Brussels w/ as much contempt as does Beijing. By all means Europe should maintain productive & mutually beneficial relations w/ India, as it should w/ all parts of the world not named Russia, but engaging in self-delusion is self-harming.

      Europe can’t decide whether it should play hard-nosed realpolitik, or be the principled defender of a defunct “liberal & rules based international order” (that was never nearly as liberal or rules based as its Western proponents claimed, & which most of Europe helped to bury by throw the last handfuls of dirty on the grave, w/ their feckless response to Israeli genocide in Gaza), or find a way to coherently combine the two.

      Anyway, Von der Leyen is set to meet with/ PRC Premier Li Qiang on the sidelines of the UN meeting, we’ll see if anything comes of it.

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      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 10:24 am

      @Professor Bigfoot: Right-wing Protestants and Catholics and Orthodox have had a truce going on for a while in which they’re united against the liberals in their own churches. It can’t last forever because these guys care about incredibly arcane theological and ritual shit. Right-wing Mormons and Jews, and especially right-wing Muslims and Hindus, have an even more precarious status.

      Reply
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      zhena gogolia

      September 24, 2025 at 10:26 am

      @schrodingers_cat: Did you know about this composer Zubeen Garg who died?

      Reply
    158. 158.

      Geminid

      September 24, 2025 at 10:27 am

      Ukraine President Zelensky just finished his speech to the U.N. General Assembly, and now Iran President Pezeshkian is delivering his. An interesting juxtaposition; Iran has given Russia a lot of help in its war on Ukraine.

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    159. 159.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 10:28 am

      @Matt McIrvin:

      Nothing arcane about heretics who believe the head of a pin can fit four angels.

      Why do they hate God so?

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    160. 160.

      Baud

      September 24, 2025 at 10:29 am

      @Geminid:

      I wonder if Iran will make an escalator joke.

      Reply
    161. 161.

      schrodingers_cat

      September 24, 2025 at 10:29 am

      @zhena gogolia: I don’t know much about him. I have heard some of his compositions.

      Reply
    162. 162.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 10:34 am

      @catclub: Russia gives the PRC energy security, invulnerable to US interdiction or pressure, which is a top geopolitical consideration.

      Poland just reopened the border crossings that facilitate the Sino-EU rail links, after a visit by PRC FM Wang Yi a few days ago. The rail links has been beneficial to both the EU & the PRC, not the least Poland. There is a reason parts of Europe still purchase Russian gas, or petroleum products refined from Russian oil, or sell dual use goods to Central Asia, the Caucasus & Türkiye, knowing much of it ends up in Russia.

      While the Polish-Belarussian border was shut, Sino-EU rail-borne freight was diverted to (longer & more expensive) southern routes that go across the Caucasus & Türkiye/the Black Sea. Meanwhile, a Chinese cargo ship just inaugurated the 1st commercial shipping route through the Arctic, from Ninbgo in Eastern China to a port in the UK. The “Northern Route” is faster & vastly cheaper than the trans-continental rail links, albeit seasonal (& we should all hope it remains seasonal, or we are all screwed by AGW). The PRC never puts all of its eggs in any basket, including Russia. Hence Beijing dragging out the negotiations for the Power of Siberia 2 gas pipeline, & the ongoing world historical investment into all forms of renewable energy, as well as every kind of nuclear power.

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    163. 163.

      Professor Bigfoot

      September 24, 2025 at 10:36 am

      @Matt McIrvin:  Ergo, “ain’t nobody free ‘til everybody is free.”

      What fools these mortals be.

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    164. 164.

      prostratedragon

      September 24, 2025 at 10:40 am

      @Professor Bigfoot:

      Much bigger:

      You’ve likely seen the new $100,000 penalty on high-skill immigrant workers.

      Here’s the next, separate bomb the White House is dropping on high skill immigration, to be officially published *tomorrow*.

      tl;dr: Most H-1Bs now inaccessible for entry-level jobs, e.g. new grads from US universities.

      Clearly a set of policies carefully calibrated to — do what, exactly?

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    165. 165.

      Eolirin

      September 24, 2025 at 10:42 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: Do they really give them energy security if Ukraine is able to keep up and escalate their campaign of blowing up all of their oil refineries and gas pipelines?

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    166. 166.

      coin operated

      September 24, 2025 at 10:45 am

      @prostratedragon: between this and all the anti-DEI bias, I’m assuming it’s for the white boys claiming ‘all them foreigners is taking the jobs!’

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    167. 167.

      Captain C

      September 24, 2025 at 10:51 am

      @Soprano2:

      It’s the same as Stephen Miller believing they see him as a white man.

      At some point Miller might find out that he’s nothing but a kapo to the white supremacists he wants so badly to be one of.

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    168. 168.

      Captain C

      September 24, 2025 at 10:53 am

      @Kirklin:

      So lots of allegedly/appears, but the first impression is that someone wanted to shoot some immigrants that were already in ICE control. And that’s weird.

      A similar mentality to Dick Cheney and several right-leaning SCOTUS judges going on ‘hunts’ that involve shooting animals released right in front of them, perhaps.

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    169. 169.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 10:55 am

      @Eolirin: Ukraine has been selective in targeting Russia’s oil export infrastructure, I don’t think anything facing the PRC has been hit, & the associated infrastructure lie much farther away from Ukraine. Ukraine also wants to avoid turning the PRC into an openly hostile actor, one that is completely uninhibited in aiding Russia in not only dual use goods, but also advanced lethal weapons & munitions. The PRC’s defense industrial capacity is orders of magnitude larger than North Korea’s, & probably larger than all of the West combined.

      In any case, the PRC’s medium to long term energy strategy is total independence, which is attainable w/ a combination of solar/wind/hydro/nuclear/domestic coal, w/ hydrocarbons from Russia (in addition to that from Central Asia, the Middle East & Australia, even Canada) filling in any gaps that might exist. Russia (& Central Asia) form key parts of the bridge to that future, though.

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    170. 170.

      prostratedragon

      September 24, 2025 at 10:56 am

      @coin operated:  Probably how it’s sold to some, though it entails a complete failure (unsurprising in these folks) in noticing what those job markets are about — there still are many white guys graduating from engineering and other technical schools, after all. But also, the ability to draw in that amount of talent is another form of the soft power that is being systematically dismantled.

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    171. 171.

      prostratedragon

      September 24, 2025 at 10:58 am

      @Captain C:  He won’t be able to process what a kapo is, though I’m sure some in his family have tried to explain it to him.

      Reply
    172. 172.

      Soprano2

      September 24, 2025 at 10:58 am

      @prostratedragon: To get all the scary brown-skinned people to go back where they came from, obviously.

      Reply
    173. 173.

      jonas

      September 24, 2025 at 10:59 am

      @Bruce K in ATH-GR: I think canceling Colbert sort of chummed the water, though, giving MAGA the idea that if you put pressure on networks, maybe you could get them to go after these late night hosts.

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    174. 174.

      jonas

      September 24, 2025 at 11:03 am

      @prostratedragon: Holy shit. This is *directly* aimed at drying up the pipeline of foreign students coming to study at US universities. Fuckers.

      Well, I guess we’ll see what matters more to Silicon Valley — the ability to recruit talent from the widest pool possible or techbro libertarian dreams of low taxes and white supremacy.

      Reply
    175. 175.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 11:07 am

      @prostratedragon: This is supposed to convince white-collar professionals in tech jobs and such that the Trump Administration is looking out for them (and for their kids) by eliminating foreign competition for jobs.

      Some will bite. But you still don’t have a job if the whole office closes down. These days, tech offshoring and layoffs supposedly enabled by AI are more important than H-1B hiring.

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    176. 176.

      jonas

      September 24, 2025 at 11:09 am

      @coin operated: That’s some of it, no doubt. But most of the squawking about foreign H1-B visa holders taking all the tech jobs because they work for less, in my experience, tend to come from people not in the tech industry itself, but cranks who listen to Fox or saw something on Facebook telling them that’s what’s happening.

      Reply
    177. 177.

      jonas

      September 24, 2025 at 11:12 am

      @Matt McIrvin:  Some will bite. But you still don’t have a job if the whole office closes down. These days, tech offshoring and layoffs supposedly enabled by AI are more important than H-1B hiring.

      Same thing with the great contraction in manufacturing jobs beginning in the 60s and 70s — most of it was due to automation and technological/productivity advances, not offshoring. But that’s not what most of the people affected believed and look who they’re voting for now.

      Reply
    178. 178.

      Eolirin

      September 24, 2025 at 11:12 am

      @jonas: If other parts of the world hoover up our displaced educators and scientists and build out a higher education system that rivals where we used to be we will never get that status back, no matter what we do to course correct after Trump. At best we’ll be a competitor in a field we used to dominate. And that’ll come with a bunch of knock on effects not just for silicon valley, but also biotech, engineering, IP design, etc.

      Reply
    179. 179.

      coin operated

      September 24, 2025 at 11:24 am

      @Eolirin:

      If other parts of the world hoover up our displaced educators and scientists and build out a higher education system that rivals where we used to be we will never get that status back

      Already happening. China is big on nuclear energy, and 4 of the top 6 universities in the world teaching nuclear engineering are in China. They’re doing this for every industry…build out an education system that cranks out the engineers they need.

      Reply
    180. 180.

      Manyakitty

      September 24, 2025 at 11:29 am

      @Betty Cracker: hope we can get that lucky.

      Reply
    181. 181.

      coin operated

      September 24, 2025 at 11:34 am

      @jonas:

      tend to come from people not in the tech industry itself, but cranks who listen to Fox or saw something on Facebook telling them that’s what’s happening.

      No doubt. My BIL is a hard-core Trumper and has never worked in IT (because, honestly, he’s dumb as a rock) posts this kind of stuff all the time.

      Reply
    182. 182.

      prostratedragon

      September 24, 2025 at 11:36 am

      @Eolirin:

      Yeah! Why I think at bottom it’s about dismantling soft power, whatever other prejudices it might exploit or technologies it might activate in the process.

      Kamala reminded us the other night in her interview that the P2025 people have devoted years, likely decades, to developing what they want to implement.

      Reply
    183. 183.

      Matt McIrvin

      September 24, 2025 at 11:49 am

      @prostratedragon: I don’t think Miller’s family have been talking to him for a while.

      Reply
    184. 184.

      trnc

      September 24, 2025 at 11:54 am

      @Baud: ​
       

      Didn’t Bill Clinton face a broken teleprompter during a SOTU and he winged it exceptionally well?

      It was his 1993 health care speech to the joint session of congress.

      Reply
    185. 185.

      Fair Economist

      September 24, 2025 at 11:56 am

      @YY_Sima Qian: Seems to me Europe has its heads on straight vis-a-vis the US. They’re flattering Trump and talking constantly about US-Europe partnerships, but at the same time doing a huge defense buildup, and dropping use of US military equipment. They’re also staying cozy with Ukraine and its amazing 21st century drone tech.

      Reply
    186. 186.

      jonas

      September 24, 2025 at 11:58 am

      @Eolirin: They would rather be pure (white, Christian, male) than prosperous. As Orban’s Hungary how that’s working out. (Answer: economy on track for almost *zero* growth this year; inflation running 4-5%; rampant corruption; rapidly aging population; falling standard of living, etc., etc.)

      Reply
    187. 187.

      Betty

      September 24, 2025 at 12:52 pm

      I have to say regarding the second Bluesky post that I find it remarkable that people are so reluctant to flat out acknowledge Trump’s serious mental decline. What are they afraid of?

      Reply
    188. 188.

      NotMax

      September 24, 2025 at 1:15 pm

      @catclub

      Say what now? My comment clearly referred to the statement following the Dolt/Arab meeting.

      Reply
    189. 189.

      YY_Sima Qian

      September 24, 2025 at 8:26 pm

      @Fair Economist: On defense, perhaps, but not on trade. The EU felt they had to make humiliating concessions on the trade front to keep Trump “on side” on the security front, neglecting that the EU itself as enormous leverage over the US that it employ. Instead, Trump will likely pocket the economic concessions the EU has made while still not committing to European defense (which is what is happening), & all the EU Commission has managed to achieve has been undercutting its credibility w/ key European capitals as well as popular opinion for surrendering to MAGA.

      Astute management of Trump has not been the perception among the masses & the elites in Europe.

      Reply
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      Paul in KY

      September 25, 2025 at 9:17 am

      @catclub: I telecommute now. Hypothetical job would be offering that salary to physically move to OK.

      Reply
    191. 191.

      Paul in KY

      September 25, 2025 at 9:18 am

      @jonas: Universities will hate hate hate this as they make bank off the outrageous tuitions they get foreign students to pay.

      Reply

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