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Foreign Affairs Open Thread: America Has Been Disgraced

by Anne Laurie|  February 22, 20253:42 pm| 211 Comments

This post is in: Excellent Links, Foreign Affairs, Trump Crime Cartel, War in Ukraine

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(Drew Sheneman via GoComics.com)

 
Major media rules would require a headline like ‘We Americans have disgraced our standards’, but f*ck that — I take no responsibility for the criminial choices of a Putin figurehead elected by a bare plurality, as enabled by some of the least useful GOP ‘legislators’ assembled since Incitatus was a Roman Senator.

Slava Malamud, born in Moldavia, emigrated to America as a teenage Jewish refugee. “Rage. Grief. Shame.
On the horrific feeling of being implicated in a crime against humanity”
:

My only hope right now is that Ukraine survives these four years. That, in spite of everything, in spite of being despicably and blithely betrayed by the country that still has the temerity of calling itself the “leader of the free world”, it can endure and remain free…

My hope is that I can visit a free Kyiv someday. Walk its streets, talk to its people, see an FC Dynamo football match (even though I always hated them as a kid, mostly because everyone in my school rooted for them), marvel at its history and culture. But I will never be able to feel pride there for being an American. I will feel compelled to apologize, to beg forgiveness for my compatriots whose hate, or resentments, or stupidity, or ignorance have put Ukraine on the brink of destruction…

… America hasn’t just betraying its friend today. It has betrayed every single American ideal it’s been breathlessly advertising for over 200 years. It has betrayed all the beautiful myths we have told ourselves about who we are. To be sure, these were ideals we have never really approached. Captain America was never anything more than a silly fantasy and an exercise of white self-adoration. But to actually join the ranks of evil? To actually fight against freedom and democracy? Give our ancestors some credit. They were never this shamelessly open about it…

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I am not going to waste breath debunking every single Kremlin talking point that Trump has spewed about Ukraine. Nobody with a modicum of sense can be surprised by this turn of events. Trump has never hid neither his disdain for Zelensky for not going along with his “Perfect Phone Call” election interference scam nor his admiration of Putin and other dictators. Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk, JD Vance and Tulsi Gabbard, whom Trump listens to, have always been open about their support of Russia. And if you still don’t understand that Trump has no morals, ideals or convictions and views every single relationship as strictly transactional and every transaction with someone he perceives weaker than him as a way to dupe and swindle the counterpart, then you are truly an ignoramus, and I can’t say much more beyond this. The fact that America, by electing Trump, has taken the side of a fascist aggressor who is attempting to derail the democratic world is unambiguously clear.

And what this leaves me with is rage. And grief. And profound, unwashable shame. I have personally done nothing to bring this horror about, but, being a citizen of a country firmly aligned with evil, I am ashamed for it…

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(Matt Davies via GoComics.com)

The war is un-winnable for Ukraine argument would be better if we weren't 3 years into a two day operation.

— Il Pomodoro (@dabenner.bsky.social) February 21, 2025 at 8:10 PM

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Zelensky is negotiating with a very big card: 3 years of thwarting Putin's attempted conquest, at an immense cost to Russia which they cannot sustain.
We can be confident Trump gets, at some level, how big that card is, because he keeps trying to weaken it.

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— Nicholas Grossman (@nicholasgrossman.bsky.social) February 21, 2025 at 12:23 PM

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Trump: Zelenskyy had the most beautiful cities and they’re all demolished

Fox host: But that’s Putin’s fault, don’t you agree?

Trump: I get tired of listening to that, I’ll tell you what

Fox host: Don’t you think it’s Putin’s fault?

Trump: *ignores* pic.twitter.com/1kTWKcAOMT

— FactPost (@factpostnews) February 21, 2025

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Musk: What are Ukrainians dying for? What exactly are they dying for? pic.twitter.com/4SxZcOrlmB

— FactPost (@factpostnews) February 20, 2025

"I'm gonna go straight to the end game" is something a guy thinks five turns before losing a game of chess https://t.co/5qHSBd80i8

— Fentanyl Tsar (@canderaid) February 20, 2025

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  1. 1.

    A Ghost to Most

    February 22, 2025 at 3:46 pm

    Sometimes, “I warned you” just doesn’t cut it.

  2. 2.

    Lapassionara

    February 22, 2025 at 3:49 pm

    Trump has disgraced the United States. I strongly prefer expressing that idea in the active rather than passive voice.

    How can we survive 4 years of this nightmare?

  3. 3.

    AM in NC

    February 22, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    We must NEVER let ANY Republican forget that they did this.  I call my GOP Senators daily and remind them that THEY aided and abetted this destruction of American power and respect around the globe.

    Fatherfucker Thom Tillis and his strong statement in support of Ukraine this week was far too little far too late. He KNEW what Trump was, and he did nothing to stop him.

    If he can’t uphold his oath of office because he’s getting death threats from the MAGAs he suckled at his breast for years, he needs to resign.  Which I be sure to say to his staffers.

  4. 4.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 3:50 pm

    At this point, Ukrainians who voted for Trump are looking exactly like Jews who voted for Hitler.

  5. 5.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 3:51 pm

    I know.

    And the WaPost has a cartoonish story up, scolding Zelenskyy for picking a fight with Trump.  Has to be seen to be believed.  Not linking, but I saved the whole text, in all its insane glory, in event BezosPost starts tweaking it after it’s been up a few hours.  Fuck ’em.

    Great place to put a fundraising beg from United24 — satby informed us of this official Ukraine fundraiser to buy armored evacuation vehicles.  They seek $1.5 million to buy five armored medevacs.  They’ve raised a little over $1 million at this time.

    United24 is an official Ukrainian government website.  It felt so good to donate.

    Fuck Trump.

  6. 6.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    February 22, 2025 at 3:52 pm

    Right now the (least-likely) best-case scenario I can think of is Acting President Hakeem Jeffries in 2027.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 3:53 pm

    @A Ghost to Most:

    100%

  8. 8.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 3:54 pm

    @Lapassionara:  The Founders were not expecting this, particularly when one half of the Congress is complicit with the intending dictator and absolute traitor and usurper.

    Maybe we will see another impeachment demanded by the majority of the citizenry.  But why leave the government in the hands of the party of usurpers?

    Really a mess.

  9. 9.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR:  I could live with that.

    Or maybe earlier, if we have a few vacancies in the House, which is already a razor thin margin.

  10. 10.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 3:55 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    The Founders weren’t expecting civil rights for people not like them. Maybe if they had, they would have expected the backlash.

  11. 11.

    WTFGhost

    February 22, 2025 at 3:57 pm

    “I’m gonna go straight to the end game” is something a guy thinks five turns before losing a game of chess”

    Wow. That was actually a *good* chess analogy! See, the opening, you can open poorly, and be behind all game. Then comes the midgame – this is where the king can be mated in the center of the board, and where you can’t count “moves to queen a pawn.” Once the queens are off the board, you can try to *advance* to the endgame, by trading material, but you’re also squandering possible opportunities to make the endgame even easier to win.

    So: yes, “I’m going straight to the endgame” is something a person might say, three or five moves before moving their king to a spot where a queen can mate. “But you were supposed to *trade* queens… not checkmate me!” is the common feeling when you’ve made that mistake. Yes, you realize, “oh, yeah, they chose to win the game outright, because I stupidly gave them a chance!” but your first thought is that it was some kind of dirty trick.

  12. 12.

    matt

    February 22, 2025 at 3:57 pm

    Trump is trying to rob Ukraine while stabbing them in the back. He’s the worst leader this country has ever had.

  13. 13.

    caphilldcne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:02 pm

    What is there to say. We are dishonorable. We cannot be trusted. Even those of us who tried to avert this. America will never be the same. At one time in my life I was an Air Force officer. I cannot believe that we have surrendered to a Russia run by thugs. Fuck MAGA voters.

  14. 14.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 4:02 pm

    Anton Gerashchenko
    @Gerashchenko_en
    12h
    In case you missed the news from this night:

    ◾️If the deal on Ukraine’s rare earth minerals is not reached, the United States might turn off Starlinks for Ukraine – Reuters.

    ◾️The rare earth agreement between the United States and Ukraine might be signed today – Wall Street Journal. Its details are unknown at the moment.

    ◾️The United States will suggest a resolution on Ukraine to the UN. According to Reuters, it will contain grief about deaths in the “Russian-Ukrainian conflict” and state that the “principal purpose of the United Nations is to maintain international peace and security and to peacefully settle disputes.” It is unclear whether the resolution will condemn Russia and support Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

    Feb 22, 2025 · 8:25 AM UTC

    nitter.poast.org/Gerashchenko_en/status/1893215482724884861#m

    The “new “offer”” Dolt 47’s ruZZian vatnicks have come up with to twist Ukraine’s arms with is:

    2/3rds of all Ukraine’s Rare Earths and all other minerals will accrue to the US,

    1/3rd of all Ukraine’s Rare Earths and all other minerals will be used to “pay back” aid previously supplied by the US.

    There are no territorial or security guarantee’s.

    Sign now or Starlink will be turned off.

    two notes,

    1). Starlinks in Ukraine are on contracts. Turning them off, violates the terms of agreement between Ukraine, individual users (a lot of Starlinks were individually crowd funded), Donor Nations and both the US and SpaceX. So, globally and in the US, all Starlink contracts are worthless.

    2). This is a move to force Zelenskyy to sign an agreement that will make him highly unpopular, force Ukraine into illegal and un-Constituional  elections and allow ruZZia to install their puppet Government in Kyiv.

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    That Fox exchange sort of reminds me of a scene right out of Sax Rohmer.

    Fu Manchu : That is very good news…

    Servant : Why is it good news, master?

    Fu Manchu : Because I’m in no condition to receive bad news. I shall fine you each 1000 yen.

    Servant : But you don’t pay us, master.

    Fu Manchu : Then I shall start paying you in order to fine you.

  16. 16.

    Lapassionara

    February 22, 2025 at 4:03 pm

    @matt: I try to imagine what historians will write 20 to 30 years from now. Ouch! Trump makes Neville Chamberlain look like a hero of WWII, rather than a chump.

  17. 17.

    zhena gogolia

    February 22, 2025 at 4:04 pm

    Elect a criminal traitor thug, get a criminal traitor thug.

  18. 18.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 4:05 pm

    @WTFGhost:

    Your comment took me back to when I played competitive chess as a kid.

    I remember playing a tournament where I ended up in the final against  a much better player. So my strategy wasn’t to win, but to stalemate. She was playing to win and assumed that I was too, so we ended in stalemate.

  19. 19.

    Jive talkin

    February 22, 2025 at 4:07 pm

    I used to say that you could go to any state prison and pick out 100 prisoners at random, and I’d rather have at least 75 as president vs. Trump.  I can’t  use that analogy anymore.  If there is a serial child molester or killer I might take Trump but that would probably be it.  The Republican congress are traitors/ cowards/quisslings.  Take your pick.

  20. 20.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:08 pm

    @John S.: I am interested to know how many Americans of Eastern European, and especially Ukrainian, descent voted for FFOTUS.

    This makes me sick. I hope that Trump’s name comes to be associated with even greater cowardice than Neville Chamberlain’s. This is reprehensible.

  21. 21.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 4:08 pm

    @Jay:

    Just wanted to say I enjoy your informative comments on Ukraine, especially on Adam’s threads.

  22. 22.

    WTFGhost

    February 22, 2025 at 4:10 pm

    @Baud: I agree with Elizabelle. The idea that a President would use foreign policy to attack a political rival would have been so foul to the founders that they would have expected 80-90 votes to convict, grudgingly admitting that the guilty (political) party wouldn’t trust the charges, but, still – most would.

    That was their biggest fear: the use of the executive to expand power. The use of the executive against political foes. Their biggest comfort was that they included in the Constitution that the President must see the laws *faithfully* executed.

    Good faith – the President won’t just decree that the laws have been executed, but he must see that they are executed as a faithful public servant should.

    Someday, they’ll blame the Democrats for not impeaching Trump for “faithless execution of the laws,” insisting that Republicans would have voted guilty for *that*, and not for the specific lawless and criminal acts for which he was impeached. They’ll swear the Constitution was good (INSPIRED BY GOD!!!!11!!!!!!!elventyone!!!), but the DEMOCRATS didn’t hold to it!

    By the way: what kind of arrogant asshole would think that God inspired the effing Constitution, including the 3/5ths compromise, so that it was, like the Fundamentalists Bible, inerrant, like everything a fundy pulls from their fundament?

    I’m just asking because God didn’t descend from the heavens with stone tablets, nor did George Washington talk about some mysterious gold plates found in the US west, nor did any mythology provide any reason to believe God inspired the founding documents. And the only people who’d think God inspired the 3/5th compromise are those who believe *every word* in Dred Scott, and believe God would have wanted it that way, even to this day.

    That thought would make me sure that I was following… not a false prophet, but some special kinda stone-stupid post-turtle.

    If you’re interested in the nolongerChristian perspective.

  23. 23.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 4:10 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I don’t know if that data exists. All I know is that based on comments made by G&T and others who are plugged into that community, there is a not insignificant number of them who voted for Trump. Which is mind boggling.

  24. 24.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    February 22, 2025 at 4:11 pm

    @zhena gogolia:

    Elect a criminal traitor thug, get a criminal traitor thug.

    BuT ThAt pAlEs iN CoMpArIsOn tO ThE PrIcE Of eGgS.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 4:11 pm

    Thom Tillis pretends to be a good guy.

    “Look, I’m a Republican, I support President Trump, and I believe that most of his policies on national security are right. I believe his instincts are pretty good,” Tillis said Thursday on the Senate floor while warning of global turmoil.

     

    “But what I’m telling you: Whoever believes that there is any space for Vladimir Putin in the future of a stable globe better go to Ukraine. They better go to Europe; they better invest the time to understand that this man is a cancer and the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime,” he added.

    You can’t support Trump and oppose Putin.

  26. 26.

    RaflW

    February 22, 2025 at 4:13 pm

    “every transaction with someone he perceives weaker than him [is] a way to dupe and swindle the counterpart”

    Yep. But the even worse part is, like seeing Trump emerge from the private meeting with Putin in his first term, looking hang-dog and dominated, holding the above belief also means he’ll show his belly to the few men he perceives as stronger.

  27. 27.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    February 22, 2025 at 4:17 pm

    @Baud:

    You can’t support Trump and oppose Putin.

    Sure you can.  Republicans engage in Schrodinger’s Paradoxes for any subject that suits them.  It’s not unlike fitting Jesus into any construct of their making, ie., Gun Nut Jesus, Supply-Side Jesus, etc.

    Tillis can be the Schordinger’s Cat Russian Foreign Policy Senator at a moment’s notice…like he did in that statement.

  28. 28.

    Jeffg166

    February 22, 2025 at 4:18 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I think the founders alway knew there was a possibility of this happening. It’s a wonder we got as far as we did before it happened.

  29. 29.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:20 pm

    @John S.: Data will come out later this year from Pew that will be much more definitive and detailed about the election.

    I will note that the state with the largest Ukrainian population is Ohio, and the second-largest is PA, and they both went red.

  30. 30.

    Gvg

    February 22, 2025 at 4:21 pm

    @Suzanne: chamberlain was not a greedy traitor. Trump is a Benedict Arnold, except he has no real accomplishments before the betrayal.

  31. 31.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:22 pm

    @Gvg: It is difficult for me to express my sadness and loathing at what is happening.

  32. 32.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 4:23 pm

    Simon Ostrovsky
    @SimonOstrovsky
    5h
    If you’re going to have an argument about Ukraine on here or on TV please read this ISW factsheet first.

    – Zelensky does not imminently risk losing all of Ukraine. At the current rate of advance, it would take Russian forces over 83 years to capture the whole of Ukraine.

    – Ukraine has not suffered millions of losses. US officials have placed the number of Ukrainian military losses between 60,000 and 70,000, but no reputable source places casualty estimates in the millions. The UN confirmed that Russia had killed over 12,000 Ukrainian civilians.

    – Europe provides about as much direct aid to Ukraine as the United States. Europe has provided and pledged approximately $204.1 billion in all, which is actually slightly more than the US.

    – Ukraine did not misuse or lose half of the aid the United States has provided. The majority of the funds the United States has allocated for Ukraine stays in the United States to fund domestic defense industrial base and replenish US stockpiles.

    understandingwar.org/backgro…

    nitter.poast.org/SimonOstrovsky/status/1893328079335964958#m

    The EU Aid package announced 2 days ago as 8billion Euro’s has now grown to 20billion Euro’s in arms and money as European governments respond to America’s siding with ruZZia.

    The “Merkin Putinist’s Putschists “Peace Deal” apparently includes abandoning all NATO members who joined after 1990. This effectively kills NATO, and it’s so cute that Amerikka’s Nazi’s don’t think they will be kicked out of the rest of Europe.

    The EU is reported to be negotiating with Britain and France to come under their nuclear umbrella in the short term, while developing a pan EU domestically produced nuclear umbrella.

  33. 33.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    February 22, 2025 at 4:28 pm

    @Gvg:

    Chamberlain was not a greedy traitor.

    Thank you for pointing out that very salient fact.

    Misreading history or drawing inaccurate parallels is a chronic occupational hazard online which it shouldn’t be given how easy it is to bring up tons of authoritative sources…like this one:

    encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/neville-chamberlain

    One of the salient points in that piece is the very first one:

    Appeasement was a pragmatic strategy. It reflected British domestic concerns and diplomatic philosophy in the 1930s.

    What Hair Furor is doing isn’t pragmatic nor reflective of any *widespread* domestic concerns in ‘Murka.  Also too, it flaunts literally the entire post-WW2 era of ‘Murkin foreign policy, much of which (for better or for worse) had a strong bipartisan element.

    The Orange Fart Cloud’s departure from such foreign policy philosophy is one of the main, obvious reasons, that otherwise godawful, conservative politicians like the Cheney’s are voting Democratic these days.

    I’m trying to come up with a better historical comparison to what we’re observing now, one that has more of a contemporary feel to it in the specific context of our international treaty obligations and strategic foreign policy goals (as opposed to a generic “It’s 1930s Germany All Over Again” motif).  Hell, I’m having trouble going back far enough to find something.

  34. 34.

    WTFGhost

    February 22, 2025 at 4:33 pm

    Ukraine did not misuse or lose half of the aid the United States has provided. The majority of the funds the United States has allocated for Ukraine stays in the United States to fund domestic defense industrial base and replenish US stockpiles.

    I had thought that one of the big ticket budget was as much security moving massive amounts of modern weapons, including high explosives, from the US to a partner country (or Ukraine directly),  who might then send on the same materials (or materials from their own stockpile), but yes, sending American made HIMARS rockets and American made planes and American made artillery, and American made tanks, a lot of that money flows back into weapons manufacturing and (again, I assume) the military for transporting the weapons. It costs a lot of operate the military transport, but, that money is going into military paychecks and maintenance/upkeep.

    He is cutting a lot of spending, and soon, people will start pulling in their own spending, because people won’t be spending as much, because there’s not a cash flow. That’s called a “recession” if you didn’t know. (Yeah, they have a different guess/marker they publish, but that’s the real, economics textbook definition.) Massive cutting of government spending, especially US-directed spending, would be reasonably expected to cause a recession. Any advisor could tell him this, if they could cut through the right wing noise machine that’s constantly playing in his head.

  35. 35.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 4:36 pm

    I like all the cartoons; I particularly like that the ones using the outline of the country have its full territory, including Crimea.

  36. 36.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 4:37 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

    Trump’s Afghan “Peace Deal”.

  37. 37.

    Steve LaBonne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:37 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: I don’t think there are any analogies to be had in the realm of statecraft. This is a Mafia shakedown. We all know Trump, as a (not very successful) NYC real estate developer, has been mobbed up his whole life and has taken mobsters as his role models.

  38. 38.

    WTFGhost

    February 22, 2025 at 4:38 pm

    @Gvg: Right. Arnold’s foot, at least, was buried with full military honors!

    I heard it said that Chamberlain gets a bit of a bum rap because England wasn’t ready to engage Germany directly, so appeasement, while going back and saying “MILITARY BUILDUP!!!” was seen as pragmatic.

    The US doesn’t have to engage Russia directly, though. And if Ukraine bloodies Putin’s nose, it will likely be good for America.

    (Okay, okay, if Ukraine breaks Putin’s nose for the umpteenth time, in this “two day operation.”)

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 4:38 pm

    @Suzanne: I don’t believe either state has a large enough Ukrainian-American population to be determinative. It is true, though, that a lot of Ukrainian-Americans, especially older ones, have been Republican supporters since the Cold War. Their children are much more likely to be Democratic voters.

  40. 40.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 4:42 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Agreed. I am just noting that the areas of the country where there is a relatively high amount of Ukrainians, and other Eastern Europeans as well, don’t seem to be voting bluer.

    I’m guessing they vote like, well, other white people. Which is to say, a big gap in voting behavior depending on whether or not they went to college.

  41. 41.

    WTFGhost

    February 22, 2025 at 4:42 pm

    @RaflW: Worse, he wants to be a big, vicious, dog. I swear, I can just hear Putin saying to Trump “people don’t understand the new reality. Look, China is going to seize territory; Russia is going to seize territory. And you, America, you can do the same! Why not make Canada one of your states? Why not take back the Panama canal, which so many of your ancestors died while building. Have you seen how Greenland takes up so much of the arctic circle? With that, and Canada, why, you might even give us back Alaska, ha ha, kidding.”

    And Trump thinking “he is a BIG BAD BOLD DOG, and I could be like him, because I don’t care about reality or consequences!”

    Well – he’s probably incapable of thinking the “because” clause.

  42. 42.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    February 22, 2025 at 4:43 pm

    @Jay:

    True but I was trying to think of anything in the context of something other than what he did first time around, either by a US head of state in our history or another European country/head-of-state over the last 150 years or so.

    What we’re seeing here is the literal breakdown of the Western Democracy International Security Structure.  And yeah, that’s led us down some not-so-nice places over the last 75 years and I’m sure there’s plenty of people who think this isn’t a bad thing.

    It is a bad thing.  And it really is a demonstration of what should have always been a theoretical construct: “The Mafia Shakedown Form Of Government and Foreign Policy”.

    If we had functioning checks and balances, perhaps the worst excesses of this could be curbed.  I’m no longer holding my breath on that happening until after the mid-terms.

  43. 43.

    RevRick

    February 22, 2025 at 4:45 pm

    @Elizabelle: Actually, Hamilton had an inkling of the danger of the “populist on a white horse” smashing the government. But he thought the guardrails built into the system would prevent this calamity.

  44. 44.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 4:46 pm

    @WTFGhost:

    Most of the “money” values for the US arming Ukraine were:

    • the estimated, (often overestimated) “value” of mothballed equipment, missiles and ammo in US storage,
    • paying US Contractors in the US and Europe to inspect, repair and service that equipment,
    • a backhanded dollar amount for new production of ammo and missiles, where the money was allocated to Ukraine to buy from US producers, but the money never left the US.
  45. 45.

    trollhattan

    February 22, 2025 at 4:48 pm

    Three months late, dude.

    “Billionaire investor Steve Cohen doubled down on his negative view of the U.S. economy due to a backdrop of punitive tariffs, immigration crackdown and federal spending cuts spearheaded by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency,” NBC News reports.

    Said Cohen: “Tariffs cannot be positive, okay? I mean, it’s a tax. On top of that, we have slowing immigration, which means the labor force will not grow as rapidly as the last five years and so.”

  46. 46.

    Ksmiami

    February 22, 2025 at 4:48 pm

    @Elizabelle: fuck Trump. Thinking of Scaffolding atm. Pitched in to United 24

  47. 47.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 4:51 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Billionaire investors should read Balloon Juice more, cuz we knew all that long ago.

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 4:51 pm

    @John S.: I don’t have a lot of time right now, but maybe tonight I’ll write up a longer comment about the political dynamics of this community.

  49. 49.

    prostratedragon

    February 22, 2025 at 4:52 pm

    @Jeffg166:  Oh, they knew. Remember Ben Franklin.

  50. 50.

    trollhattan

    February 22, 2025 at 4:52 pm

    @Jay:

    Also forced us to confront the lack of production capacity for stuff like artillery shells, gun tubes and boring stuff like that. Been a long time since we were in a set piece battle or conventional war. Ukraine invasion woke us up—now Trump is taking ALL the Ambien. Another lesson about to be lost.

  51. 51.

    Lapassionara

    February 22, 2025 at 4:54 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: I think Putin has defeated the US and is now reaping the rewards of that accomplishment. Our country is no longer the leader of the free world, as the saying goes. We will align our foreign policy with his goals, and we will be counted on to do his bidding.

    I don’t see how we can view this treatment if Ukraine in any other way.

  52. 52.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That would be awesome. If you want to post it in one of Adam’s threads, I’ll look for it there.

    Based on what you described to Suzanne above, it sorta sounds similar to the Cuban dynamics I am familiar with in South Florida.

    ETA: As a recent transplant to the PNW, there is a noticeable Ukrainian (and Russian) community here in Washington. So I always love to learn more about my neighbors (literally).

  53. 53.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    @Lapassionara:

    I think that’s correct. Trump will ask the Republicans to host Putin for a joint address to Congress, the way they did Zelenskyy.

  54. 54.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Hasn’t really been confronted. In one of Adam’s Ukraine threads, somebody posted a graphic addressing this issue.

    Of the money that flowed to the top 3 US Arms Corporations, roughly 1/3 was spent on stock buybacks, 1/3rd on Executive bonus’s and dividends, with roughly 1/3rd going to actual production.

  55. 55.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 4:56 pm

    @Ksmiami: Yay you!! Thank you.

  56. 56.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 4:58 pm

    @Jay: The Starlink threat pisses me off more than anything else.  I want all of Musk’s companies burned to the ground so he never has any power again.

  57. 57.

    John S.

    February 22, 2025 at 5:00 pm

    @Baud:

    I can see them inviting Putin to come here. Would he actually come?

  58. 58.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 5:01 pm

    @trollhattan: Trump is phenomenally stupid, but even he knows tariffs are a tax.  That is why he wants them, to replace the taxes ultra-rich people won’t be paying.

  59. 59.

    AM in NC

    February 22, 2025 at 5:02 pm

    @Baud: Thom thinks he can support Trump and somehow have clean hands on Ukraine/Putin capitulation.  He is a power-hungry asshole who ensured one-party legislative rule in my state. I want his scalp next election.  I think we have a chance if Roy Cooper runs.

  60. 60.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:02 pm

    @Shalimar:

    It’s not Apartheid Clyde threatening to turn the Starlink’s off, it’s Putin’s Puppet Putinist Putschist’s State Department.

  61. 61.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:04 pm

    @John S.:

    Nope, he’ll make them come to Moscow like every other time.

  62. 62.

    RevRick

    February 22, 2025 at 5:04 pm

    @WTFGhost: The GOP suffers from the math problem of saying subtraction is really addition.
    It’s cheap and easy to campaign on the notion of cutting government spending, because that claim is an abstraction. It’s a fill-in-the-blank argument. The vast majority of people have no idea what constitutes government spending, and for many it just conjures up the notion of boondoggles. So when GOP candidates assert they’re going to cut government spending, most will be on board.
    The reality is that government spending translates into somebody’s paycheck. Social Security goes into the accounts of seniors, the disabled, and widowed with minor children. Medicare and Medicaid go to doctors and nurses and hospital and nursing home staff. SNAP benefits pay the employees of grocery stores (and the users get food). So, slashing government spending means someone is losing income. Which means they have to cut back, like fewer outings to restaurants or holding off on buying a new car. This loss of income cascades through the economy.
    Subtraction really is subtraction.

  63. 63.

    Starfish (she/her)

    February 22, 2025 at 5:07 pm

    @Baud: You can charge thousands annually for that type of newsletter.

  64. 64.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 5:08 pm

    @Jay: The State Department doesn’t have the ability to turn Starlink off for all customers in Ukraine.  All they could do is turn off the contracts the US government is paying for.  Musk has the ability, and he has hinted before at doing it.

  65. 65.

    JMG

    February 22, 2025 at 5:08 pm

    @trollhattan: Give him a break. He spent all winter working on signing Juan Soto. He’s just getting around to his inbox on the economy.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 5:08 pm

    @John S.:

    Probably not. It may be the one where our glut of guns has a good effect.

  67. 67.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:10 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

    Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with the Secret Addendums?

  68. 68.

    Shakti

    February 22, 2025 at 5:14 pm

    @John S.: 
    Kinder people better at organizing would engage taunt

    this Ukrainian-American who voted for Trump in 2020, 2024, insisted Musk was a Ukrainian ally. I truly hope this is not representative of Ukrainian-Americans voting.

    Unfortunately, in what concerns Ukraine, the Trump administration is doing exactly what the Biden administration did but openly instead of in secret. I expected a pivot in US foreign policy but there is none. A replay of Clinton, Bush, Obama and Biden is taking place. Second administration Trump is weaker on foreign policy than the first. Why he’s repeating Obama’s failed reset with such dogged dedication I don’t know but it’s probably the usual lack of ideas in the same government apparatus.

    I hope at least we’ll get our mass deportations. This is a historic opportunity, and it shouldn’t be pissed away.

  69. 69.

    AM in NC

    February 22, 2025 at 5:17 pm

    @Shalimar: Come sit by me.

  70. 70.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 5:18 pm

    Seems like another great place for U.K. satirist Jonathan Pie for anyone who’s missed it:

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0nUUqG_Ag

    Speaking of Neville Chamberlain…

  71. 71.

    AM in NC

    February 22, 2025 at 5:19 pm

    @Shakti: So it’s the white supremacy.  Why is it ALWAYS the white supremacy with these people?

  72. 72.

    Tom Levenson

    February 22, 2025 at 5:20 pm

    @Elizabelle: Thanks for the link. Donated.

  73. 73.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 5:21 pm

    @Shalimar: this Shirley’s for you

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=pEte-YJz-cc

  74. 74.

    zhena gogolia

    February 22, 2025 at 5:22 pm

    @Lapassionara: Putin hasn’t defeated the US or Ukraine.

  75. 75.

    zhena gogolia

    February 22, 2025 at 5:22 pm

    @John S.: Never. Nikogda.

  76. 76.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:22 pm

    @Shalimar:

    It’s the State Department making the threat, not Apartheid Clyde.

    Which just shows how deep the treason goes.

  77. 77.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 5:22 pm

    @Tom Levenson:  Thank you!  Satby alerted us to United24 in Anne’s morning thread.

  78. 78.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:28 pm

    reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1ivuicw/cant_access_email_will_mean_bye_bye_job/#lightbox

    Felon Musk just sent out a twit, saying that all Federal Employee’s will receive an email, requiring them to note everything they got done last week. Failure to respond will result in termination.

  79. 79.

    Tom Levenson

    February 22, 2025 at 5:32 pm

    @Elizabelle: I’m on a crazy deadline for a book (the one after the one that comes out in April). So I don’t always catch everything that gets posted here.

    Which is why it’s a kindness to do as you did, reposting important stuff for those of us perhaps a little slow on the uptake. ;-)

  80. 80.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 5:34 pm

    @Jay: I’m saying I am not as worried about them following through as I am about Musk announcing that the company can no longer do business in Ukraine.

  81. 81.

    UncleEbeneezer

    February 22, 2025 at 5:34 pm

    This is so enraging because it was completely predictable and we all know damn well that Biden or Harris wouldn’t abandon Ukraine and Trump absolutely would.

    THIS should have been the foreign policy issue hammered home to voters constantly and centered in the 2024 election.  My heart goes out to the people of Ukraine.  We failed your country as well as our own.

  82. 82.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 5:34 pm

    ‘Tis time for Gritty to storm the Bastille

    ICE detainees will be confined at the federal jail in Center City. They are expected to arrive “soon” to the reserved unit with up to 125 beds.

    The move expands the number of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention sites in Pennsylvania from three to four, and immediately drew condemnation from immigrant advocates who want local leaders to speak out against the arrangement.

  83. 83.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:34 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    There are hundreds of verified crowd funded campaigns that one can donate to, not just United 24. Some are for medical gear, some are for wounded soldiers rehabilitation, some are for drones, some are for engineering equipment,

    much of this defense of Ukraine has been crowdfunded.

    kriegsforscher.bsky.social
    ‪@kriegsforscher.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    Folks!

    We have a fundraising. We are in desperate need of night bird 3T. With it help we will be able to find Russians. Especially to see how they are advancing and destroy them.

    Just like in this thread🧵 AFV losses in Kursk.

    We need only 900$🔽

    secure.wayforpay.com/donate/Krieg…

    bsky.app/profile/kriegsforscher.bsky.social/post/3lip5o7ipgc2w

  84. 84.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 5:35 pm

    @TBone: gracias

  85. 85.

    Shakti

    February 22, 2025 at 5:36 pm

    @AM in NC:

    No idea.

    And this particular person claims she has Jewish ancestry through her father; married a Russian she found in North America, is proud of looking “Slavic” which could be several things but she’s ‘blonde’ and blue eyed.

    I just know that white ethnics often double down on the racism and get vein poppingly mad at the merest suggestion of proximity to blackness.

  86. 86.

    Raoul Paste

    February 22, 2025 at 5:36 pm

    @Jay: This is a domination play.  And it won’t help the stock market on Monday

  87. 87.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 5:38 pm

    @Shalimar: any time, catharsis helps me stay calm and save some adrenaline for when it’ll be of best use. It’s some powerful shit.

  88. 88.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 5:39 pm

    @Shakti: Too many white people have lost the cultural memory of being hated. And now they want to do some hating of their own.

  89. 89.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:42 pm

    @Shalimar:

    Felon Husk might not want to do that. Only 31% of Starlink’s revenues, (which include DOD and State’s Starlinks supplied to Ukraine) are from the US. The ROW provides 69% of Starlink’s revenue.

    Turning off Ukraine’s and breaking the contracts, means that Starlink contracts are worthless.

  90. 90.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 5:42 pm

    @Shakti: ​

    And this particular person claims she has Jewish ancestry through her father; married a Russian she found in North America,

    And my BS meter is going DING DING DING!

  91. 91.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:44 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    On the Internet, no one knows you are a dog.

  92. 92.

    Jobeth

    February 22, 2025 at 5:48 pm

    @Jay: And who is going to read all two million of those emails?  What an asshole.

  93. 93.

    Glory b

    February 22, 2025 at 5:48 pm

    @AM in NC:dyingofwhiteness.com/

  94. 94.

    Shakti

    February 22, 2025 at 5:48 pm

    @Suzanne: Possibly.

    This person immigrated from Canada and before that immigrated from Ukraine. So she wouldn’t have the memory of being hated and it’s my understanding once you get past two or three generations you don’t really have the immigrant experience anyways in your brain.

    I don’t understand the point of immigrating to a country, naturalizing and cheering when someone shits all over their key institutions but then also Musk is doing all of this and naturalized from Canada, so clearly I’ve missed important truths.

  95. 95.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 5:50 pm

    @Jay: ​Interesting fact, that cartoon is over 30 years old.

  96. 96.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 5:54 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    We should have listened to it.

  97. 97.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 5:55 pm

    @Baud: How do I know you’re not a dog?

  98. 98.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 5:57 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:

    In all our time together here, I have never once tried to sniff your butt.

  99. 99.

    Ruckus

    February 22, 2025 at 5:58 pm

    @Lapassionara:

    shitforbrains has disgraced HUMANITY.

  100. 100.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 5:58 pm

    @Shakti:

    Musk immigrated from South Africa to Canada.

    Illegally immigrated to the US,

    Illegally got a work visa,

    Illegally got a Green Card, (because of #2 and #3),

    Illegally got Naturalized, (because of #2, #3 and #4).

  101. 101.

    Shakti

    February 22, 2025 at 5:59 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I agree, it stinks. Like a potato left in a vent.

  102. 102.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 6:01 pm

    @Shakti: From what I have observed, many people consider politics to be primarily about power and favor, not about values. This creates weird effects, like one came know that their grandparents faced discrimination and that was bad, but that person probably sees no dissonance in then discriminating against others.

  103. 103.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 6:06 pm

    @Baud: Hard to argue with that logic.

  104. 104.

    Jackie

    February 22, 2025 at 6:08 pm

    @Jive talkin:

    If there is a serial child molester or killer I might take Trump

    You really believe FFOTUS hasn’t molested and raped underage girls? He was besties with Jeffrey Epstein.

  105. 105.

    Shakti

    February 22, 2025 at 6:13 pm

     

     

     

     

    @Suzanne: I loathe people.

    As a naturalized US citizen, I have voted in every single presidential election that has occurred in my life. And every midterm save the one that occurred when I was a teen.

    I have a picture of that first time because I was proud to be a citizen to vote.

    To gleefully rip all that apart and root for that?  How are they claiming to be American in any way, let alone arbiting any part of that? That is the floor.  And I clearly have a different idea of what loyalty to a country even means.

    I loathe people.

  106. 106.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 6:15 pm

    @Shakti:

    Come sit by me.

  107. 107.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 6:15 pm

    @Shakti: This morning I linked to an article about Elon Musk that is so good I will link to it again. It’s in New Lines Magazine– a valuable resource– and is written by Capetown-based reporter Joseph Dana:

       The Worldview of the South African Diaspora Now Haunts the US

    Elon Musk and other tech moguls with roots in apartheid South Africa have been shaped by the history of right wing white nationalism.

    The writer discusses past and present day South Africa, as well as Musk’s and Peter Thiel’s lives growing up in that country.

    Fun Elon Musk fact: in the 1930s, his grandfather Josua Haldeman was a follower of the Teknocracy movement. The Teknocracy movement advocated management of society by experts, in place of democracy.

    The article ends with a quote from Johnny Steinberg, who wrote an article about Musk’s beliefs for Business Day:

       “Apartheid’s deepest ideas are back. They are circulating in the Western world. They have purchase.”

    The link:

    newlinesmag.com/argument/the-worldview-of-the-afrikaner-diaspora-now-haunts-the-us/

  108. 108.

    glc

    February 22, 2025 at 6:16 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: That is an interesting fact, indeed. Given that Mosaic appeared in 1994, it’s kind of stunning. A couple of years made a difference.

    “He drew the cartoon only in the manner of a “make-up-a-caption” item.” (Wikipedia)

    And we only got “Someone is wrong on the internet” in 2008.

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    February 22, 2025 at 6:16 pm

    @matt:

    He’s not a leader.

    He has zero concept of a leader. He has been his entire life the jackoff that thinks money makes one smart. It doesn’t. There are a lot of things money can buy, it does NOT BUY, in any way, any humanity or intelligence whatsoever.

    He is the worst imitation of a human being to sit in that office.

  110. 110.

    MagdaInBlack

    February 22, 2025 at 6:22 pm

    @Geminid: Thank you, I missed that earlier link.

  111. 111.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 6:29 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: New Lines Magazine is published by a Syrian American, Hassan I. Hassan. Its articles cover a wide range of subjects from Neolithic British culture to the war in Gaza, in depth.

    It’s a valuable resource; my only problem with New Lines is the articles are long and detailed and my reading skills are conditioned by short form reporting.

  112. 112.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 6:31 pm

    @Shakti:

    I loathe people.

    Come sit by me. I have snacks.

    ETA: Goddamnit, Baud.

  113. 113.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    February 22, 2025 at 6:36 pm

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    This.

    It’s why I welcomed otherwise odious political entities like the Cheneys into the campaign fold.  I naively felt they might add something to the message of “vote for that man and you might as well be dooming Ukraine.”

    It’s another reason why I view the Congressional GOP as essentially traitors, particularly the Senate.

  114. 114.

    MagdaInBlack

    February 22, 2025 at 6:37 pm

    @Geminid: I was and still am, drawn in to the rabbit hole of several other articles there  =-)

  115. 115.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 6:37 pm

    @Jackie: Trump was also great friends with John Casablancas before he even met Epstein.  Casablancas helped Trump set up his modeling agency.  Casablancas supposedly used casting couch tactics on 13-year-olds, he was the guy who signed Ivanka to a modeling contract when she was 15, he had a public affair with Stephanie Seymour when she was 16, and he married a 17-year-old Elite winner when he was 50.

  116. 116.

    TurnItOffAndOnAgain

    February 22, 2025 at 6:38 pm

    @Elizabelle: Speaking of which, I know there are some long shots, but did BJ want to maybe have a thread about contributing money or resources or information about off year elections that could make that margin thinner?

    It’s something to do that’s not letting our own panic swallow us whole like mine’s been threatening to do to me.

  117. 117.

    zhena gogolia

    February 22, 2025 at 6:39 pm

    @Suzanne: I loathe people and I love them.

    PutinTrump / Zelenskyy Ukrainian people

    People who flew planes into WTC / Firefighters who went UP the stairs

  118. 118.

    zhena gogolia

    February 22, 2025 at 6:40 pm

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: I’d like to see a front-page Razom fundraiser (or other support for Ukraine).

  119. 119.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 6:42 pm

    In before they’re laid off by DOGE

    More than three dozen people were arrested and four missing children were recovered after an operation in West Virginia targeting sex offenders, the U.S. Marshals Service announced this week

  120. 120.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 6:46 pm

    @Shakti:

    It is also known as the IGMFU, the Ladder theory, etc.

  121. 121.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 6:47 pm

    @zhena gogolia: Yeah.

    It’s harder some days than others. That balance is constantly shifting for me.

  122. 122.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 6:50 pm

    @zhena gogolia: If anyone in the US is concerned or curious, US donations to UKRAINE24 UNITED24 go to “UNITED24 (Ukraine House DC Foundation)” – a US charity.

    ukrainehouse.us/

    Slava Ukraini!!

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  123. 123.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 6:51 pm

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain:

    There is a donation bar off to the right of the screen. Right now it’s for the Wisconsin Supreme Court Seat.

    Just under the header image, and on the right side of the bar, there is a Targeted Fundraising tab. It has not (yet) been updated for 2025.

  124. 124.

    matt

    February 22, 2025 at 6:51 pm

    @Lapassionara: Such an incredible victory, controlling a country with 13x the GDP of his country. Just had to find the worst, most traitorous and evil faction and help them out.

  125. 125.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 6:53 pm

    @Baud: That’s ONE bullet point.  What about the other FOUR, huh?  Huh??

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  126. 126.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 6:54 pm

    Document work or resign, Doge tells US federal workers in email
    11 minutes ago

    Share

    Save
    Laura Blasey and Ana Faguy
    BBC News, Washington DC

    bbc.com/news/articles/cr72n1yyj30o

  127. 127.

    matt

    February 22, 2025 at 6:55 pm

    @Ruckus: He has inspired a lot of this country’s people to be worse people.

  128. 128.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 6:56 pm

    @TurnItOffAndOnAgain: Those fundraising threads are usually done closer to the elections in question. I remember WaterGil doing fundraising threads for a couple Viriginia legislative candidates in 2023. She was able to pick a couple with close races, which is hard to do before August.

    I like these threads because in addition to the funds raised, they give readers a chance to learn about different candidates and districts. To my mind, that is one of the best ways to learn politics.

    Besides 100 House of Delegates seats, Virginia will have statewide contests for Governor, Lt. Governor and Attorney General. The party that wins the Governor race typically wins the other two.

    This Governor race will attract plenty of national attention, probably some international as well. Virginia is right accross the Potomac from D.C. and the many reporters based there, and it’s an easy venture. Plus former Rep. Abigail Spanberger, the Democratic contender, is a formidable politican..

  129. 129.

    me

    February 22, 2025 at 6:58 pm

    My brother, who is the union rep for his department, told me that he told everyone to not respond to the first buyout email.  I haven’t asked him about this one yet.

  130. 130.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 7:06 pm

    @Geminid: more full service blog points!

  131. 131.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 7:07 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: did you see the dark humor death video I posted yet?

    (It’s not for everyone, please do not @ me)

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=ghuntBvDKLE

    PS disable closed captions

  132. 132.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:08 pm

    @me:

    The respondents to the “buy out” email, were later told that the “buy out” was invalid while it was before the courts,

    and then were fired for “underperforming”.

  133. 133.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 7:10 pm

    @me: From the GovExec.com story linked above:

    […]

    Employees were given a deadline of Monday at 11:59 p.m. ET to respond.

    Musk warned the emails were coming Saturday afternoon, which included the resignation threat and suggested they were issued at President Trump’s direction. Several CEOs at technology companies have deployed similar strategies in recent years.

    “Once again, Elon Musk and the Trump Administration have shown their utter disdain for federal employees and the critical services they provide to the American people,” said American Federation of Government Employees President Everett Kelley. “It is cruel and disrespectful to hundreds of thousands of veterans who are wearing their second uniform in the civil service to be forced to justify their job duties to this out-of-touch, privileged, unelected billionaire who has never performed one single hour of honest public service in his life.”

    The emails themselves did not include the resignation threat. It is unclear how the federal government could force employees to resign, which by law must be a voluntary decision. AFGE vowed to challenge any “unlawful terminations” that federal employees face.

    […]

    “Law, schmaw. Don’t you know I’m really, really, rich??” – Melon, probably.

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  134. 134.

    different-church-lady

    February 22, 2025 at 7:10 pm

    @Jay:

    On the Internet, no one knows you are a dog.

    But everyone can tell if you’re an asshole.

  135. 135.

    different-church-lady

    February 22, 2025 at 7:12 pm

    @Jay:

    “I got tons of shit done DESPITE the fact that you’re trying to make every bit of it impossible, you asshole.”

  136. 136.

    Aziz, light!

    February 22, 2025 at 7:14 pm

    Trump is doing everything we expected him to do. Checking off every item on the Project 2025 list and carrying out his personal vendetta against our allies. What I did not expect was the complete abandonment of their constitutional duties by the Republican members of Congress. They are all on board because they are getting what they have long desired: to destroy the regulatory state, kill the New Deal, restore white male supremacy, and further enrich the rich.

    The ship of state has been commandeered by pirates. They are going to kill the crew, steal the cargo, and scuttle the ship.

  137. 137.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 7:14 pm

    Let’s cry for the Bad Man 🎶

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEDVGSThqEg

  138. 138.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 7:15 pm

    @Jay: My understanding is that most or all of the people fired for “underperforming” were probationary people who had been in their job for less than a year.  Some of them had also accepted the buyouts, but it is giving Musk’s minions way too much credit for competence to say there was any connection between the two attempts to get rid of people.  I think they were separate, and all of the people fired would have been fired anyway even if they didn’t accept the buyout.

  139. 139.

    Jackie

    February 22, 2025 at 7:17 pm

    @Shalimar: You proved my point. Most of this I knew/suspected; I was just pointing out ONE example to @Jive talkin for suggesting FFOTUS was a better option than child molesters/murderers.

  140. 140.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:20 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Some people apparently can’t thus Apartheid Clyde and Child Rapist, Rapist, 37 Convictions Felon, Insurrectionist and ruZZian agent Dolt 47.

  141. 141.

    MagdaInBlack

    February 22, 2025 at 7:22 pm

    @TBone: Yikes!  =-)

  142. 142.

    Shalimar

    February 22, 2025 at 7:22 pm

    @Another Scott: The first thing that occurs to me is that this is a bluff.  DOGE doesn’t have even 1% of the manpower to evaluate hundreds of thousands of people describing what they do each week.  They’re going to use AI, and it will not understand what people do.  What they want is for people to refuse to fill it out so they can “fire” them for that.

  143. 143.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 7:25 pm

    @MagdaInBlack: when she (almost) leaps the fence and starts sprinting!

  144. 144.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:28 pm

    @Shalimar:

    1000 Full time, Non probationary National Parks full time workers were fired, and not rehired, and no they did not take the buyout.

    A bunch, (the number is unknown) who did take the illegal buyout offer, many were full time, non probationary, some though the 7 months pay, (that did not exist) would allow them to transition to a new job or take early retirement, were fired for underperforming.

    As pointed out just upthread, its a MOU Techie manipulation to get people to self select for firing, with out cause, to quickly do mass firings with out having to involve HR or any research, (tasks, responsibilities, performance, etc).

  145. 145.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:30 pm

    @Shalimar:

    Yup, there are over 2.4 million US Federal Employees, as of now.

  146. 146.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 7:30 pm

    @Shalimar: I hope there’s some five-star malicious compliance occurring right now.

    read and forward email = “served as a conduit of vital information under time constraints”
    brought in coffee and donuts = “provided life-sustaining nutrition, resulting in exponential increase in team productivity”
    Got on a Teams meeting = “facilitated digital collaboration across platforms, transcending barriers of space”

  147. 147.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 7:34 pm

    @Shalimar: Yeah, they’re trying to come up with that One Weird Trick that will let them go around all the rules and regulations and collective bargaining agreements and US Code and laws and all the rest.

    I pity actual civil service supervisors who are having their weekends ruined by these stupid twoots and emails, trying to figure out what they mean when they don’t come through proper channels with actual information on who is sending them and on what legal authority, explaining all the things that cannot be included, and all the rest.  Of course, those actual civil service folks don’t get overtime…

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  148. 148.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 7:35 pm

    ‪Kevin M. Kruse‬ ‪@kevinmkruse.bsky.social‬

    8m
    If you’re a federal worker looking for a good accomplishment to share with Elon, tell him you responded to texts from the mother of your children.

  149. 149.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:37 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Here in BC, it takes 2 years just to get a Employment Standards hearing on an illegal firing, and you will need your own Employment Lawyer, paid or pro bono to put in at least 50 hours, at $300 an hour. That’s even if you are Union.

    If you have to challenge it in court, 5 years.

    The Union’s usual tactic is a mass walk out, but that relies on the strength of the Union and the guts of the Shop Stewart.

    US Courts have not been a check on Dolt 47 or Felon Musk.

    The probable result will be the breaking of all Federal Unions.

  150. 150.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 7:40 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Reposted by

    Aaron Fritschner

    ‪Imani Gandy‬ ‪@angryblacklady.bsky.social‬

    1h

    1. Monday – fell apart
    2. Tuesday – broke my heart
    3. Wednesday – same
    4. Thursday – didn’t even start
    5. Friday – I’m in love

    ‪Aaron Fritschner‬ ‪@fritschner.bsky.social‬

    2h

    The reply email inbox for this “what did you do last week” email is [email protected], so, you know, definitely don’t send them any unrelated messages that would interfere with their ability to carry out Elon’s dumbass bullshit

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  151. 151.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 7:41 pm

    Via reddit

    Poland pledges to continue to pay for Ukraine’s satellite internet, says minister

  152. 152.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:41 pm

    Telehealth will soon no longer be covered by Medicare
    Claire Curry
    1 day ago
    INDIANAPOLIS — If you or someone you love is on Medicare, there are some changes to healthcare access you need to know about.

    Telehealth phone and video visits will no longer be covered for certain patients. Telehealth services will still allow for the disabled, elderly and immunocompromised to be seen by a doctor through a phone or video call.

    This also applies to those in rural areas, where medical centers are few and far between.

    fox59.com/news/telehealth-will-soon-no-longer-be-covered-by-medicare/amp/

  153. 153.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 7:47 pm

    @Jay: This isn’t single firings.

    A GovExec story says they are planning on trying to fire 60,000+ DoD civilian workers, starting Monday.  That’s just one (albeit large) department.  They’re trying to gut the entire federal government as quickly as possible, process and law and regulations be damned.

    They’re trying to panic people into resigning, trick them into resigning, and all the rest, because they don’t want to follow the rules.  They think rules are for suckers.

    We have to stand up as a country and show them that they’re wrong.

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  154. 154.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 7:47 pm

    What is the saying? “There are decades when weeks happen, & there are weeks when decades happen.” The 4+ weeks since Trump’s inauguration feels decades have happened, domestically & internationally.

  155. 155.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 7:48 pm

    @Another Scott:

    Sent 8 from my real email and my 7 throw emails. Added some nasty white links to some shady stuff on my 7 throwaways.

  156. 156.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 7:49 pm

    @Jay: 145,000 if those federal employees live Virginia. While people often associate them with Northern Virgina, 40,000 live in the Richmond area and 75,000 live in the Tidewater region, where there are several large naval bases and shipyards.

    That’s on top of 120,000 active duty military and 600,000 veterans. Bottom line: this will not be a good year to run in Virginia as a Republican.

  157. 157.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 7:53 pm

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: Generally, disorder is worse than all but the worst kind of order. That is not to justify the perpetuation of an unequal & unjust status quo, but revolutionaries/counterrevolutionaries want to see a new order emerge out of a period of anarchy, & are convinced only by tearing down the old can the new be born. That may be true from the anthropological perspective, not to be wished for, let alone engineered.

    OTOH, meaningful reform is the only way to forestall revolution.

  158. 158.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 8:00 pm

    @YY_Sima Qian: I saw an interesting post by Syria analyst Aaron Y. Zellin. It was accompanied by a picture of China’s Syria Ambassodor and the Syrian President seated in a reception room:

       Ahmed al-Sharaa meets with Chinese Ambassador in Syria today; still don’t think many in Washington get that power competition is not just about the Asian-Pacific.

  159. 159.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 8:05 pm

    Meanwhile, all of you who thought that the lead 208 nucleus is a perfect sphere are wrong.

    I bet you feel pretty silly now, don’t you??

    ;-)

    (There’s always new stuff to learn, because nature is almost always richer than we imagine.)

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  160. 160.

    Marc

    February 22, 2025 at 8:07 pm

    @Shalimar: They’re going to use AI, and it will not understand what people do.

    It will understand well enough what Elon wants it to understand.  Do you really think this is about efficiency, merit, or actual job performance?  Try asking his AI: Why?

    And, just to be annoying, everything that is going on makes the most sense if one accepts the fact that there is some sort of private deal between Musk, Trump, and Putin.  They talk to each other in private, why is this so hard to accept?

  161. 161.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 8:13 pm

    @Marc: So I listened to the episode of Sarah Longwell’s Focus Group podcast about Elmo this morning. Kara Swisher said straight-up that Elmo is looking for government data because he’s behind his competitors in AI.

    Not a thing I had considered. I am considering it now.

  162. 162.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 8:17 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I hope the other atoms don’t make fun of it.

  163. 163.

    Marc

    February 22, 2025 at 8:17 pm

    @Suzanne:  Musk has cared about exactly one thing for decades, he wants Mars.  I see all of his companies (and extracurricular activities) as intended to enable that.

  164. 164.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 8:18 pm

    @Marc:

    Tech
    Even Musk’s Grok knows: X’s AI system named Elon as one of the biggest pushers of misinformation on platform


    Tesla billionaire has lauded artificial intelligence system Grok’s success, ‘up-to-date’ information

    Julia Musto
    Tuesday 12 November 2024 22:30 GMT

    independent.co.uk/tech/elon-musk-grok-twitter-ai-misinformation-b2645906.html

    Tech·Elon Musk
    Is Elon Musk a good person? His Grok AI says no
    BYChris Morris
    January 28, 2025 at 8:40 AM PST

    fortune.com/2025/01/28/elon-musk-grok-ai-not-a-good-person/

  165. 165.

    WaterGirl

    February 22, 2025 at 8:19 pm

    @Geminid: @TurnItOffAndOnAgain:

    Those fundraising threads are usually done closer to the elections in question. I remember WaterGil doing fundraising threads for a couple Viriginia legislative candidates in 2023. She was able to pick a couple with close races, which is hard to do before August.

    I like these threads because in addition to the funds raised, they give readers a chance to learn about different candidates and districts. To my mind, that is one of the best ways to learn politics.

    Besides 100 House of Delegates seats, Virginia will have statewide contests for Governor, Lt. Governor and Attorney General. The party that wins the Governor race typically wins the other two.

    This Governor race will attract plenty of national attention, probably some international as well. Virginia is right accross the Potomac from D.C. and the many reporters based there, and it’s an easy venture. Plus former Rep. Abigail Spanberger, the Democratic contender, is a formidable politican..

    Just a quick preview of some irons already in the fire…

    We have a phone meeting with “Good Kim”, aka Kimberly Pope Adams, scheduled for Monday.  You may recall that we supported 2 candidates in the VA state elections last time – Good Kim, who lost to Bad Kim by a handful of votes, and Michael Feggans, which was the race that put Ds over the top and gave them a majority in VA.

    Also, I talked with the folks at Four Directions yesterday (Friday) and it looks like they will be working with the native vote in Virginia because the governor’s race is coming up in November of this year.  And not just the race for governor, but also Attorney General, Secretary of State, etc.

    I won’t provide much more detail than that right now because they are still formulating their plan for Virginia.  But I can say that there are about 125,000 voting age Native folks in Virginia, so there’s a chance to have a real impact there

    We’ll be gearing up soon to fund some things in Virginia.  Early money matters!

  166. 166.

    Gin & Tonic

    February 22, 2025 at 8:20 pm

    @Marc: I’d be delighted to chip in a nickel to send him there, tomorrow if possible.

  167. 167.

    A Ghost to Most

    February 22, 2025 at 8:21 pm

    I’d like to thank all the enablers, apologists, and appeasers for clearing the way for the christian fascists.

  168. 168.

    Suzanne

    February 22, 2025 at 8:24 pm

    @Marc: Time’s a-wastin’, let’s try to send him there tomorrow.

    ETA: Goddamnit, G&T.

  169. 169.

    Marc

    February 22, 2025 at 8:26 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: One of my college buddies who was proto-MAGA stopped talking to me after I drunkenly offered him $100 to pay his airfare to Texas, since he found the Bay Area so appallingly liberal.  Musk would be worth at least that much.

  170. 170.

    Aziz, light!

    February 22, 2025 at 8:30 pm

    @Shalimar: Federal employees can’t simply be promoted by their bosses. To move up, they must compete with other qualified applicants for a job at a higher pay grade. It might be their own job that has been reclassified, or a job somewhere else. Then (as I vaguely recall from my own experience as a fed) they are probationary for one year at the higher grade. Elmo summarily chainsawed a lot of people whose strong job performance had propelled them into a higher grade. Some had long federal careers behind them but were treated the same as recent recruits.

    What he did was illegal, but his victims will find no redress anytime soon, if ever.

  171. 171.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 8:35 pm

    @Geminid: The PRC is not picky when it comes to partners (particularly economic partners). Just about the only condition is not caring about what the CPC regime does in Xinjiang, Tibet and Hong Kong, & at least not challenge the PRC’s claims to Taiwan.

    Even though the PRC had supported Assad as the internationally recognized, “legitimate” government of Syria, it had not provided the kind of support that Iran & Russia did. Now that there is a new government starting from a nearly blank slate, it is unsurprising that the PRC will look to find commercial & geopolitical opportunities there. Given the financial & infrastructure building prowess of the PRC, it makes for a natural partner in Syria’s reconstruction.

    Türkiye (who has also been active in building infrastructure across the Muslim world in the past decade) might be the even more favored one, but it does not have the financial wherewithal & the resources of the PRC, & I suspect al Jolani will not want to be completely beholden to Türkiye. Getting global/regional powers to outbid each other on a case to case basis is perhaps the best way for small countries to maximize their interests in the newly chaotic world.

  172. 172.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 8:36 pm

    @YY_Sima Qian:

    Speaking of the world’s official diplomatic positions wrt the PRC’s claims to Taiwan, below article from the Lowy Institute in Australia is a great primer:

    Five One-Chinas: The contest to define Taiwan
    A world-first dataset and framework for understanding every UN member state’s position on Taiwan.
    Benjamin Herscovitch
    January 2025

    TL:DR

    Status Quoists: 40 countries (including the US, the UK, the Scandiavians, Italy, Spain, Canada & India) acknowledge the PRC’s claims w/o either challenging or endorsing it

    Mixed Signalers: 23 (including France, Germany, Ukraine, Vietnam & Malaysia) supports the China‘s claim over TW, & recognizes Beijing as the only legitimate government representing China, but w/o endorsing the CPC regime’s preferred One China Principle that states Taiwan is an inalienable part of the PRC, (frankly the nuance of the mixed signalers’ stance is lost on me)

    Beijing leaners: 119 countries (including the rest of the BRICS & BRICS+, outside of India) endorses the One China Principle

    Beijing backers: 89 of the 119 “Beijing leaners” support Beijing’s effort to achieve “reunification”, with/o specifying that such efforts be peaceful; CEE, LATAM & ME countries are the “Beijing leaners” whoa re not “Beijing backers”

    Team Taipei: 11 & dwindling number of countries (outside of the Vatican, all are small states almost entirely dependently on the US’ largess) that recognizes Taipei as the only legitimate government representing all of China

    For the past few years, there has been a notably concerted effort by the PRC to get as many countries in the world as possible into the “Beijing backer” camp. My take is that Beijing is trying to build the international legitimacy of a “war of reunification”, if it ever comes to that. No serious China scholar thinks there is any evidence that Beijing has made a decision to invade TW on any kind of timeline, but there are plenty of evidence that Beijing is preparing the geopolitical environment, economic resources, & military capacity to prevail in such a contingency. Xi does not want to be caught in Putin’s position of being rounded criticized by even many parts of the Global South at the start of his re-invasion of Ukraine.

  173. 173.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 22, 2025 at 8:43 pm

    @Jay: Shalimar: as I said over on Bluesky, this is one situation where it’s morally okay to use ChatGPT to generate your answers to this. The wrecking crew is going to be feeding the answers into an AI anyway, so this is the perfect chance to feed AI-generated slop into the AI to create a Hapsburg AI database (more inbred than the Spanish Hapsburgs)

  174. 174.

    Gvg

    February 22, 2025 at 8:47 pm

    @Suzanne: there also could be backlash. Historically, areas that see a lot of immigrants start resenting them once they reach a certain noticeable number, even if they are welcomed before.

    The other factor is that immigrants can be the ones who liked their country the least, or didn’t like the direction it was going in. Perhaps, the Russian leaning ones were the ones most likely to leave?

  175. 175.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 22, 2025 at 8:53 pm

    @Suzanne: I’m worried about what he’s going to do to the Patent Office. Patent applications are not available to the public until and unless they are published (which usually happens 18 months after filing). And the applicant can choose to withhold the application from being published until it issues as a patent, or internal review can put the application into a security level that means it won’t be published. Or you can even file patent applications on material that has a security clearance.  That rat bastard Musk having access to the unpublished applications is a danger for every patent applicant.

  176. 176.

    Jay

    February 22, 2025 at 8:58 pm

    @Marc:

    Felon Husk has no real interest in Mars, Its a sales pitch to make him look like the “smartest man” on the planet.

    The science and the engineering that even Felon Husk understands, is that we won’t get to Mar’s even in his kids lifetimes.

    Felon Husk, like any self obsessed narcissist, he wants the ego high he got from all the Muskboys back in the early days of Tesla.

    Since then, he has been desperate for anything to feed that ego, but everything he has tried has just put his public image on a downward track, and he has tried more and more desperate things to try to get that back, to the point of self destruction.

  177. 177.

    Elizabelle

    February 22, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek: I love your concept of Hapsburg AI.

    And yes, re Musk getting access to others’ inventions.  He is a slime mold (racist, too).

  178. 178.

    RaflW

    February 22, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    Sen. Tina Smith has had it. Dang!

    Senator Tina Smith @smith.senate.gov‬
    This is the ultimate dick boss move from Musk – except he isn’t even the boss, he’s just a dick.

    Senator Tina Smith‬ ‪@smith.senate.gov‬
    I bet a lot of people have had an experience like this with a bad boss – there’s an email in your inbox on Saturday night saying, “Prove to me your worthiness by Monday or else.”

    I’m on the side of the workers, not the billionaire asshole bosses.

  179. 179.

    Geminid

    February 22, 2025 at 9:03 pm

    @YY_Sima Qian: Turkiye is carrying out urgent projects like setting up sitports and repairing Syria’s electrical grid. But I think Turkiye’s plan for Syrian reconstruction is to have the Gulf Arab and EU states foot the bill for projects Turkiye’s engineers and construction companies execute. R.T. Erdogan seems to have the attitude that the business of Turkiye is business.

    China has influence beyond marerial matters though. Trump Gaza “plan”excited plenty of negative pushback worldwide. I noticed that Al Arabiya, which is owned by the Saudi government, reported a Chinese Foreign Ministry statement that Palestine was for tbe Pakestinians and population transfers were contrary to Chinese policy

    I thought this was significant; at least Al Arabiya did. And while Israel is often seen as a rampant bully that does what it wants, even Netanyahu’s stupid government knows it crosses China at its peril. Same with crossing the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.

  180. 180.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 22, 2025 at 9:05 pm

    @Elizabelle: not original to me, but I have seen the concept come up in all the various material that I have been reading and watching about AI. And yes, they call it Hapsburg AI because the dataset gets so inbred.

  181. 181.

    Bill Arnold

    February 22, 2025 at 9:12 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek:

    That rat bastard Musk having access to the unpublished applications is a danger for every patent applicant.

    He/DOGE will no doubt demand write access as well, and ability to exfiltrate at scale.
    Am glad I am not in a position to be asked for such access, even read-only; would actively not comply.

  182. 182.

    Baud

    February 22, 2025 at 9:16 pm

    It Sure Looks Like Musk’s Newfound Power Is Scaring Advertisers Back to X

  183. 183.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 9:36 pm

    @Baud: or deport it after detainment.

  184. 184.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 9:40 pm

    @Baud: I need a more comprehensive list than “Amazon, Apple, and Verizon.”

    I wonder what the CWA union has to say about this – my brother, a long time member, might know.  I already know what he thinks…

  185. 185.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 22, 2025 at 9:40 pm

    @Elizabelle: yes, although we can actually teach the slime molds to solve math problems (traveling salesman problem if I recall correctly). And I should not have insulted honorable lab rats and Ursula Vernon’s Temple of the White Rat by associating rats with Musk.

  186. 186.

    TBone

    February 22, 2025 at 9:42 pm

    Reminder:  February 28 is National HIT THEM IN THE WALLET, WHERE IT HURTS Day.

    usatoday.com/story/news/2025/02/22/retail-boycott-what-day-and-when-why-are-consumers-boycotting/794…

    No gas or fast food either.  Get that shit on the 27th.

  187. 187.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 9:59 pm

    @Geminid: Until very recently, the PRC was all in on the pro-Palestinian narrative once Israel started the war of vengeance against Gaza, to the point where Chinese think tankers & even government officials trafficked in anti-Semitic tropes. Yet, the Israeli government was quiet despite all the barrages from Beijing, at the same time never hesitated to launch fusillades at its critics in the West.

    Then again, Bibi & the Israeli far right has no problem allying w/ anti-Semites, as long as the latter ignore what they do in the ME.

  188. 188.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 22, 2025 at 10:03 pm

    @Geminid: Surely Al Jolani has greater ambitions for Syria than a playground for regional powers, & the way to give himself more freedom of action is to court distant great powers. We see this dynamic in every region of the world, & we may see it soon in Europe, too.

  189. 189.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2025 at 10:05 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek

    The Spanish Habsburgs at least had the grace to die out naturally. The other Habsburgs, not so much and continued breeding.
    ;)

  190. 190.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 22, 2025 at 10:12 pm

    @NotMax: although Otto von Hapsburg was anti-Nazi en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Habsburg

  191. 191.

    Marc

    February 22, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @Jay:

    Felon Husk has no real interest in Mars, Its a sales pitch to make him look like the “smartest man” on the planet.

    We can agree to disagree, he’s been talking shit about Mars for a good 25 years.

  192. 192.

    PJ

    February 22, 2025 at 10:24 pm

  193. 193.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 10:45 pm

    @Another Scott: The GovExec story has been updated:

    After the emails went out, agencies across government warned employees not to respond. At the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, for example, leadership told employees in an email that it was “possible that the new message sent outside normal business hours was sent in error and/or is a phishing attempt.”

    “Until such time that as we can verify that the message that was received at or around 4:46 p.m. ET is authentic, please do not respond,” the note to employees read.

    NSA employees were instructed to “not respond until we send further notice” and FBI employees received a similar message. Employees at several other agencies told Government Executive they were instructed to wait for further guidance.

    This makes a lot of sense, not least because a little bird told me there are all kinds of rules and regulations about how federal agencies communicate, what can be disclosed, what can’t, what processes need to be followed for any information disclosure outside the organization.

    Demands for information from a mass email that is unsigned, cites no relevant legal or regulatory authority, etc., etc., is not how these things are done.

    Grr…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  194. 194.

    FLD

    February 22, 2025 at 10:45 pm

    @Bruce K in ATH-GR: One can only hope that the Pentagon brass resents being led by a three-star.

  195. 195.

    NotMax

    February 22, 2025 at 11:09 pm

    @Kayla Rudbek

    To be fair, the last of the Spanish Habsburg rulers died (without progeny) in 1700.
    ;)

  196. 196.

    Jackie

    February 22, 2025 at 11:15 pm

    Did I just hear
    FBI Director Kash Patel is to be named ATF chief???

  197. 197.

    Quiltingfool

    February 22, 2025 at 11:18 pm

    @Elizabelle:   I’m very late to the comments, but I’d like you to go to my Etsy site (just click on my nym) and send me a message.  I’ve got a photo to share with you!

  198. 198.

    Quiltingfool

    February 22, 2025 at 11:21 pm

    @zhena gogolia: This comment is late, but could you send me a message through my Etsy store?  Just click on my nym.

    I’ve got a photo to show you!

  199. 199.

    Another Scott

    February 22, 2025 at 11:27 pm

    @Jackie: That’s a bit different from some other news…

    bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3lisvgbpyb22u

    Marisa Kabas

    ‪@marisakabas.bsky.social‬

    DOJ leadership contradicts—and, it would appear, supersedes—the guidance sent out by FBI director Kash Patel a little while ago saying *not* to respond to the OPM email.

    [ image ]

    ALT [ from his twitter thing ]  – The power struggles begin. FBI Director Kash Patel tonight has instructed his employees to ignore ⁦@elonmusk⁩’s productivity inquiry, saying, essentially—we will evaluate our own people, thanks.

    February 22, 2025 at 10:30 PM

    FWIW.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  200. 200.

    Jackie

    February 22, 2025 at 11:32 pm

    @Another Scott:

    FWIW

    Thanks, Another Scott

    I’m banging head on desk emoji

  201. 201.

    rikyrah

    February 22, 2025 at 11:49 pm

     

    CAN Anyone from South Carolina expound on what she’s talking about? a 1.8 BILLION DOLLAR ACCOUNTING ERROR??? https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8Yt2bHP/

  202. 202.

    Another Scott

    February 23, 2025 at 12:03 am

    @rikyrah: Not from SC, but made me look…

    WRDW.com (from 2/19):

    COLUMBIA, S.C. (WRDW/WAGT) – South Carolina lawmakers say their work investigating the state’s $1.8 billion mystery and figuring out what consequences should come from it is not over.

    This comes after the release of an independent report last month that found a nearly $2 billion surplus believed to be sitting in state accounts was actually an accounting error.

    On Tuesday, the Senate subcommittee that’s been investigating this $1.8 billion debacle for over a year held a meeting to hear from the key players involved.

    According to his staff, Treasurer Curtis Loftis, wasn’t there because he was out of state. But in recent weeks, Loftis has criticized this group of senators, calling their work a “witch hunt.”

    “I believe it is a witch hunt because I want to find the witch that’s responsible for messing with the state’s finances in such a way that no one can have confidence and trust that the numbers being reported are accurate,” says Senator Larry Grooms. “I want the witches that are responsible to be held accountable.”

    […]

    Loftis’ chief of staff, Clarissa Adams, testified, under oath, on his behalf answering and sometimes not quite answering senators’ questions for more than two hours.

    They asked her about the conclusions from the outside audit released last month as well as Loftis’ comments to their subcommittee last year. Including his assertion that the $1.8 billion was real and that he had invested it making the state around $200 million in interest that lawmakers spent.

    Outside auditors have said that would be impossible since the majority of that money never existed, and a small amount did but had already been spent so it could not have generated interest.

    Senators also grilled Adams about an incident last year in which Loftis threatened to publish the state’s sensitive financial information with the governor, chief of SLED, and attorney general among those who had to step in to stop him from releasing that information.

    The chair of the subcommittee says they hope to hear from the treasurer himself soon, for the first time since the release of the outside audit and report.

    “We’re going to continue to probe and ask some more questions because we want to make sure the people of this state, the public, the General Assembly, and Wall Street investors can have confidence when we tell them something,” says Grooms.

    Another key player in this, Comptroller General Brian Gaines, gave a brief testimony Tuesday evening but will return before senators Thursday to complete it.

    Since the release of that report last month, the governor and lawmakers confirmed publicly for the first time that South Carolina has been and still is under a federal investigation because of these financial discrepancies.

    It’s always the witches’ fault, amirite??

    I’m sure if SC lets 47 build a casino and condo tower and golf course then that pesky federal investigation can quickly go away, also too.

    Grr…

    Thanks.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  203. 203.

    Yutsano

    February 23, 2025 at 12:07 am

    @Jay: ​I got that e-mail today. I tried not to giggle but I also noticed the ridiculous turnaround time. The e-mail was dated today. It was due by Monday 11:59pm EST.

    I got another e-mail from the deputy commissioner of the IRS saying they were looking at this. Although they didn’t say to not respond.

  204. 204.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 23, 2025 at 12:26 am

    @Yutsano: and most workers (federal, contractor, private sector) don’t check their emails on the weekends if they’re working a standard 40-hour M-F week.  It will be very interesting to see what Ask A Manager says about this on Monday morning.

  205. 205.

    Yutsano

    February 23, 2025 at 12:56 am

    @Kayla Rudbek: ​The only reason I did see it today is because I was doing some overtime. Otherwise I would have seen it on Monday like everyone else and been like whaaaa..

    I did get the heads up from here so thanks for that fellow Jackals!

  206. 206.

    Kayla Rudbek

    February 23, 2025 at 1:05 am

    @Yutsano: Musk is like every caricature and bad manager from Ask A Manager, Facebook/instagram reels, and Reddit rolled into one.  Wait, I think Ask A Manager had some posts specifically about Musk at Twitter, and I don’t remember if he won her contest for Worst Boss of the Year.

  207. 207.

    YY_Sima Qian

    February 23, 2025 at 1:17 am

    @Yutsano: This a parody of the Office.

  208. 208.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2025 at 2:07 am

    Caligula? More like Elagabalus (a.k.a. Heliogabalus).

  209. 209.

    NotMax

    February 23, 2025 at 2:07 am

    Damn. #208 – wrong thread.

  210. 210.

    rikyrah

    February 23, 2025 at 2:48 am

    @Another Scott:

    Thank you

  211. 211.

    Another Scott

    February 23, 2025 at 8:51 am

    @YY_Sima Qian: +1

    I have 8 different bosses right now…

    :-/

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

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