TPM is reporting that Obama has selected Elizabeth Warren as the interim director to the new consumer protection bureau. This announcement comes pre-shit on by the progressive “base” (you know, the ONES WHO GOT OBAMA ELECTED! After they quit the Hillary campaign.):
“The left” is so god damned fickle. Up next, fifty posts from progressives taking credit for the appointment because “WE MADE NOIZ AND HE LISTENED TO US AND WE MATTER, GOSH DARNIT!
*** Update ***
TPM is now reporting she has not been appointed. Projected spin- this leak was designed to get progressive hopes up only to dash them in the end because RAHMBAMA HATES THE LEFT.
bago
What else would a tweet be for?
Linda Featheringill
Excellent choice, Obama!
Question: Will we have to resort to a bunch of interim appointments in order to get anything done? And deal with the ratification nonsense later?
beltane
Sorry about Peter Daou being such a stick in the mud but even Slinkerwink at GOS is jumping for joy. Is there anything that would make that passive-aggressive PUMA happy?
El Tiburon
Does anyone get the feeling that Obama waited this long to get closer to the elections?
I’m not saying there is anything necessarily wrong with a bit of theatrics and flare – better late than never.
I just wonder if it is part of his ‘campaign mode’ and what other little treats for his base he may toss out in the next few weeks.
valdivia
No matter what he does, it is always wrong. God I hate this so much. Can these people just go DIAF?
John Cole
@El Tiburon: I dunno- is the office even up and running? The financial bill just passed a few months ago, which is a blink of an eye in DC.
Zifnab
She didn’t get selected by accident, if that is what you are implying. I seriously doubt “the left” single handedly beat off Tim Geitner with a bag of hammers and cleared a way to confirmation spot. But do you concede that maybe dozens of petitions and Op-Eds and blog rabble rousings might have maybe put a feather on the scale to keep the spot from getting handed over to a corporate shill as part of some crazy “sell the cow to buy the milk” Obama compromise?
Maybe? Possibly?
WaterGirl
@El Tiburon: I would have to guess that this has been a done deal since about 45 minutes before Elizabeth Warren notified Harvard that she wouldn’t be able to teach her class this semester.
If there’s anyone who knows that timing is everything, it’s Barack Obama.
cat48
@El Tiburon:
Absolutely! I would have! (plus washpo said yesterday; her vetting is not complete yet so that is really the holdup)
TR
The best part of all this — after the Republicans retake both houses of Congress this fall due to liberal apathy, all of these voices will blame Obama.
Steve
I was hoping for a confirmation fight. Elizabeth Warren is about the only person involved with this administration who is unambiguously on the side of the little guy, and that matters. Of course, that plan could have backfired if there were too many squishy Dems like Chris Dodd.
Maude
Heard it on the radio early this morning.
Now it will be, he only did an interim appointment and he should have picked her on 1/21/09.
dmsilev
So, basically Peter Daou is saying that if he gets a pony, he’ll still complain because it wasn’t the *exact* shade of pink that he wanted.
dms
freelancer
Way to go for Solidarity, fellas.
General Stuck
Dear gawd. Maybe time for a galt.
If past history is any predictor, we will also be assaulted on this blog with cries of, yes, but why hasn’t he put Cheney in jail or pulled out Afghanistan. Warren will be forgotten in 24 hours, but might get a few hardass progs to actually go vote. All 178 of them, give or take.
fourlegsgood
Don’t be redonk, all the whiners will start screaming about how she’s only an “interim” appointment.
fourlegsgood
@dmsilev:
Yes. kaithxbai
Steve
TPM now says there’s no new news, it’s a false alarm.
cat48
@Linda Featheringill:
Interim & recess appts. Treasury Dept, you know the one the hated Tim runs is allowed to appoint an “Interim Director” for it.
Now they can start whining abt a “permanent appt.”
cleek
i’m going to admit something: i don’t know who Elizabeth Warren is, what she’s supposed to do, why there’s been any controversy over her, or why i should care.
as far as i can tell, she’s someone who was going to be appointed anyway but The (Famous Original) Left decided to take a stand on her because they wanted to be disappointed if it didn’t happen.
Guster
From TMP: “Late Update: Maybe not so fast. Fox was one of the outlets originally reporting this and has now retracted that report, saying they may have “misheard” White House spokesperson Bill Burton on board Air Force One. Reuters says Burton simply confirmed that Warren is “obviously in the mix.”
This means John may need to change his post to ‘Senate refuses to allow Obama to select Elizabeth Warren as interim director of the new consumer protection bureau.’
valdivia
cue outrage that this was reported erroneously and it is the WH fault in 3,2,1….
@Dogsdoingthings
Dogs who last had “a couple days’ worth of cheer” when Richard Nixon resigned, but have been courting death ever since.
Midnight Marauder
@Steve:
Dawn Johnsen and all that.
daveNYC
And going into the elections this would be a bad thing because…?
It may be silly, but if it helps boost turnout for the democrats I’ll take it.
August J. Pollak
Yeah, that’s, well, completely wrong but no worries, it doesn’t stop anyone else when it’s strawhippie torchin’ time.
stuckinred
I’m trying a proxy server to overcome this week long blockage of BJ.
Violet
I’m thrilled he’s appointing her. She’s awesome.
NonyNony
@Steve:
Given Dodd’s stance towards the financial sector, I wouldn’t exactly call him “squishy”. He’s clearly a man who does what he’s told, and is willing to shit on his own legacy in the Senate on command. I hope his debasement gets him something more than a pat on the head and a Scooby snack from his masters on Wall Street.
(Not really. I’d rather he have to take a job doing something useful to society for a while and maybe think about what his priorities were for the last few years. But realistically, he’ll probably land on his feet with a cushy lobbying job once the legally mandated cool off period has passed…)
August J. Pollak
What I truly don’t get about all of this, two years down the line, is how the Obama camp really enjoys setting themselves up for this any time via painfully long waffling and leaking. for fuck’s sake, just sack up, nominate someone and be done with it. Three weeks of “will it be Hillary?” Three weeks of “will it be Kagan?” Three weeks of “will it be Warren?” And every time, “internal sources say…” oh those internal sources. And then Alan Simpson shits on half the country and they release a press release 24 hours later stating in no ambiguous terms will he be fired or even disciplined.
These people launch trial balloons like it’s the opening of a car dealership.
General Stuck
@stuckinred: I am no longer blocked. I didn’t do anything but suddenly could connect and noticeably faster.
stuckinred
@General Stuck: Dang! This “Ultra Surf” seems to work but the russkies are proly on me like white on rice!
Scott P.
Turns out the Warren announcement was a Fox plant; the White House didn’t say anything about the appointment.
Cat Lady
@stuckinred:
I’ve been blocked out too from home – I can only read teh google cache of the front page in text only format, but no comments. Nothing has worked. I’m on a different wireless network today, but I’m only at this location once a week or so, so if you have a workaround, lay it on me bro. I’m in full withdrawal, but have to admit I’ve gotten a lot more done around the house.
General Stuck
@Cat Lady: Here ya go Cat Lady, the proxy server I was using before I no longer needed it. Has some limits on commenting, but is much better than fumbling with google cache like I did as well for awhile.
El Cid
Actually, I think it would be somewhat reasonable to be happy about an appointment of Elizabeth Warren for some comparatively short amount of time, and then seeing what actually happens if she should end up in that position.
In the end, isn’t that what counts?
Maude
@El Cid:
For cripe’s sake, you are making sense. Stop that!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steve:
Poor Hilda Solis, she gets less respect than Rodney.
As for Daou and “the Left” he thinks he represents, remember the PUMA wail “Are we really that small a sliver of the party?” Yes, Peter, you are. On the issues, I always described myself as 60/40 Obama/Clinton, my chief objection being her “I can be as tough as McCain” foreign policy. As the nomination slipped away, her campaign became, frankly, embarrassing to watch. All that to say I will never understand the emotional investment the post-PUMA neo-purist “left” has in longtime center-leftist HRC. At least the Naderite/Down the Drain With Dennis caucus is consistent.
Resident Firebagger
So Peter Daou comprises The Left now? Who the fuck is Peter Daou?
David Dayen at FDL just wrote last night how great this move is, should it actually happen. But I guess acknowledging that someone on the Left is happy about Obama would get in the way of Cole’s whole manic progressive meme, which he seems very proud of.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/09/13/white-house-considering-interim-cfpb-director-appointment-for-elizabeth-warren/
Added link.
Corner Stone
@stuckinred: A man of your advanced age could probably use more fiber. Just sayin’.
mb
#30 “What I truly don’t get about all of this, two years down the line, is how the Obama camp really enjoys setting themselves up for this any time via painfully long waffling and leaking.”
I’ve become convinced that the administration is paralyzed by fear to do anything that doesn’t bear the stamp of approval of the center-right.
Absolve Alan Simpson of his dumfuckery? No brainer, the center-right loves Simpson — he’s got that crunchy, delicious common sense. But actual action that results in moving the ball? What if the republicans criticize us? What if Ben Nelson doesn’t like it? Oh Noes!!!
I’m about fucking sick of ’em. If we lose the house, when Issa subpoenas Obama’s underwear drawer, I’m going to have just a touch of schadenfreude.
Corner Stone
@Resident Firebagger:
It’s one of his standard troll post moves. Like dance moves, he only knows a couple and they all suck.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hilda Solis hasn’t exactly kicked anyone in the balls either.
Turgidson
False alarm.
No pony for us.
Corner Stone
Ya know, I’ve been wondering where The Ghost of Elizabeth Warren(tm) has been hiding recently.
Corner Stone
@Turgidson: If you got that pony, what EXACT shade of pink/pinkish/purple would’ve made you happy?
I want fuchsia. Nothing more. Nothing less.
NR
@mb: Yep. This is exactly how we ended up with the craptastic health care bill. Obama started in the center-right and only ever negotiated with people to the right of that position.
General Stuck
@Turgidson:
“No Pony” Drat, and once again you get the donkey’s ass.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: Is Elizabeth Warren going to kick Ben Nelson in the balls? Would Hillary? Kucinich? Mario Cuomo or the ghost of Bobby Kennedy? I’d pay to see it, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.
I realize pointing out that Congress has some role in determining policy is the weakest and whiniest of O-Bot cop-outs, buy that’s just the way I am
General Stuck
@NR: LOL, like clockwork. You don’t disappoint.
Corner Stone
I love the update:
Just can’t help yourself I guess.
Allison W.
@Steve:
No she’s not. Geithner and Summers are not the entire administration. Obama appointed a lot of people who care about the little guy. Just because they haven’t made the left’s most favored list doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
LanceThruster
Why hasn’t this woman’s name been mentioned? She was one of the first to sound the alarm, and yet it seems there is no reward for being right. If nothing else, her name should be put out there so people can read up on how those warning of the disaster were hobbled at every turn by the old guard.
from: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/interviews/born.html
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just pointing out that Hilda Solis as Sec labor hasn’t exactly burned anybody’s bridges or landed a triple lutz combo or anything.
You can go whine off into the void with the rest of your nonsense.
mantis
@August J. Pollak:
Or maybe people in the press just speculate and spread rumors with abandon? You know, like how Fox just today “misheard” Bill Burton saying Warren would be appointed, when the pool report says nothing of the kind, and went ahead and reported it? Maybe a lot of those “trial balloons” and “waffling” that you speak of are just bullshit manufactured by a press that finds it much easier to gossip than to do any real investigation and reporting?
@valdivia:
cue outrage that this was reported erroneously and it is the WH fault in 3,2,1….
If you cue it, they will come. It took Pollak all of nine minutes.
NR
@General Stuck: Oh right, I forgot. I’m supposed to be excited about the right-wing, corporatist HCR bill that passed. Rah-rah, go team.
General Stuck
@LanceThruster: Was it Frontline I saw her on? And I agree she should be considered as well.
Corner Stone
@mantis: This is another of those conundrums for me. I have heard “with abandon” and “without abandon” roughly equally. I’m sure the speaker means the same thing in each usage.
numbskull
So, to summarize John Cole:
You’re whining in advance of some other people possibly whining in advance of a decision, that as it turns out, hasn’t actually been made?
Cole, really, get out and meet some people. Do something constructive. Convince one person today to vote, maybe even vote for a Democrat.
mantis
@NR:
This is exactly how we ended up with the craptastic health care bill.
Yeah, we could have had jackshit, which is preferable to any true progressive, you know.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@numbskull: Huh. I thought he was just making fun of Peter Daou for being a bitter, whiny, self-important, poutraged twit, and doing it because mocking pompous, whiny twits is kinda fun.
Midnight Marauder
@NonyNony:
Oh, Chris Dodd is just getting started, bitches!
Dodd: Congress Could Defund Consumer Bureau Over Warren Interim Appointment
I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and nobody else but you, Chris Dodd. I wish you ill, Chris Dodd! I WISH YOU ILL!
mantis
@Corner Stone:
This is another of those conundrums for me. I have heard “with abandon” and “without abandon” roughly equally. I’m sure the speaker means the same thing in each usage.
I’m sure you’re right that the speaker means the same thing, but “without abandon” is incorrect, if one is meaning to denote recklessness. “With abandon” indicates that one is abandoning restraint, pride, etc., while “without abandon” would indicate a reserved posture, I suppose.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Midnight Marauder: Jesus Christ, Dodd has gone fucking nuts. I actually sent that hump 50 bucks to retire his campaign debt (just as a gesture but I’d still like it back)
Corner Stone
@WaterGirl:
That’s because, as we all obviously know, he plays the long game.
FlipYrWhig
@General Stuck: OMG STuck your stabbing elizabethwarRean inthe back! WTF there can be onl7one nomin8d hasta b warren nomroe sellouts !!1`1
Nick
@Resident Firebagger:
And let’s see how the peanut gallery in the comments section responded;
So there’s your response, a mix of “too little, too late” and “its just a cheap trick to get us to vote for them” (I’m sorry, wasn’t that what they were asking for, a reason to vote for them?) with a spoonful of “They’ll just hamstring her anyway” and a dash of “He’s still a corporatist sellout because he won’t put solar panels on the White House roof!”
But I guess acknowledging that you can never please these people flies in the face of your constant pleading to “please give you my pony and I swear I’ll stop complaining and vote for you”
What’s that Lucy/Football analogy again?
NR
@mantis: Jackshit is what we got. Progressives were blackmailed into supporting the bill because of the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies (this is what people here would point to when they were jumping up and down shrieking “If you don’t support this bill, you want people to DIE!”). Well, now it turns out that the Medicaid expansion isn’t going to be worth the paper it’s printed on because the states have no money to fund it, and the subsidies still won’t make the private insurance that we’ve forced everyone to buy affordable.
This bill was a sad excuse for reform. And because it passed, we won’t get another chance for at least a generation.
ny nick
Thank god for small victories. My guess is that this signals something more important. Geithner didn’t like Warren for this spot, he wanted his understudy to get the job. Hopey knows there’s little he can do to actually fix the economy between now and the midterms but what he can do is find someone to throw under the bus for the mess this administration has made of economic policy. Giethner and Bernanke will do nicely.
Allison W.
@Midnight Marauder:
doesn’t sound so different from what Republicans are threatening to do if they gain the majority. defund HCR, shut down the government, investigations. He’s not entirely wrong.
Marc
i think that they’re trying to figure out whether Warren can get confirmed, or whether they should just say “the devil with congress” and make her the interim agency head for life.
The comments here provide plentiful examples of the professional left attitude, however, which is instead that Obama is on some obsessive mission to disappoint them instead.
Whatever gets your through the night…
Allison W.
@ny nick:
Please stop lying about Geithner’s relationship with Warren.
Corner Stone
@Midnight Marauder: I wish someone had the resources to track the next 5 years. Track Dodd and everyone he is related to and find out where they work, who pays their paycheck and how they got their job.
numbskull
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, on a very narrowly-defined level, sure. :)
Midnight Marauder
@NR:
Easily one of the dumbest, most illogical comments ever written on this subject.
Allison W.
@NR:
You don’t see why some of you aren’t taken seriously?
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: Jeebus. Did The Ghost of Matoko Chan(tm) take over your shit?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@ny nick:
Wow. Throw in “veal pen” or “shit sandwich” and I think you’ve got some kind of Firebagger Bingo Card there.
Paris
Lucy with the football certainly is busy today – first maybe no vote on Bush tax cuts, now maybe Warren, maybe not! Fooled you hippies again.
John S.
@Zifnab:
I don’t care much for Tim Geithner, but he has been one of her SUPPORTERS. The one person who has been shitting all over Warren is Chris Dodd.
brendancalling
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
heh. i’m so old i remember when there was so little daylight between policies offered by the clinton and obama campaigns, it was largely about personalities.
now HRC is longtime center-leftist, and obama is…?
mantis
@NR:
Jackshit is what we got.
Well, if you start your comment out with obvious bullshit, what point is there in reading more?
Nick
@NR:
And it failing would have allowed us to revisit it, with a better bill, when? next year?
Maybe we should’ve not tackled the issue at all, but then you’d be bitching we weren’t trying it. Wake up, whether it passed or not, we weren’t getting another chance for a generation.
No pleasing you people. Not worth trying.
Allison W.
Jigga what? did you think that if it DIDN’T pass that Obama could just get a better one next year? The foundation has been laid, now you work to make it better.
oy!
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
I’m waiting to see what Digby Downer has to say.
Digby Downer: [after being hugged by a happy Obama supporter] Oh, hi, O-bot. It must really be fun supporting Obama, even though it’s hard to tell the difference between his policies and George Bush’s.
Obama supporter: [depressed, the Obama supporter walks off]
Democrats: What, where’s he going? What’s wrong?
Digby Downer: He probably realized that nothing has changed…that the war in Afghanistan is the new war in Iraq, the economy would be doing just as bad under McCain as it is under Obama and that Republicans are going to win back the House, Senate and Presidency by 2012 because Democrats were stupid and didn’t vote for Hillary.
Wah Waaaaaaah
NR
@Midnight Marauder: Bullshit. As far as Obama and the rest of the Democratic leadership is concerned, HCR is over and done with. They certainly aren’t going to bring it up again. If they did, they would be admitting that the bill they passed was pitifully inadequate.
This bill is all we’re getting for at least a generation. Better get used to it.
srv
John, you really are living in fantasy land if you think Warren is going to get this job. But I guess whatever gives you an opp to punch hippies.
Corner Stone
@Marc:
That’s what the FP said, not sure about the comments reflecting that too much.
mantis
@brendancalling:
now HRC is longtime center-leftist, and obama is…?
The second coming of Richard Nixon. Or a Kenyan anti-colonialist marxist nazi muslim. Depending on which side of the crazy you are on.
Sentient Puddle
@Nick: This comment catches my eye:
This, and they’re complaining that Obama isn’t good enough? Jesus Christ, what morons.
Nick
@NR:
NR, my cousin is a diabetic. She’s 22 and she just graduated college and cannot find a job that offers her health benefits. Because of this bill, she can stay on her parents plan for another four years.
Look her in the eye and tell her we got jackshit asshole.
This is why this country is hopelessly conservative. Because even the left can’t see the forest for the trees, even they have the attitude “It didn’t personally please me, so fuck everyone it helped”
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Firebaggers!! They’re EVERYWHERE!!
FlipYrWhig
@August J. Pollak: Have you considered that Elizabeth Warren might want to drive a hard bargain before stepping into a new post at a new agency whose staffing, scope, authority, etc., all have to be haggled out? And, hence, that _she_ might have some effect on the timing?
Paula
200 posts!! 200 posts!!
NR
@Allison W.: Nice try. But I remember what was said around here during the last stages of the HCR debate. If anyone so much as hinted that the bill did more harm than good and that they might not support it, they were called a monster who wanted tens of thousands of people to die.
Corner Stone
@John S.: Link please on Geithner.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@brendancalling:
Um, yeah
if you read my comment, you’ll see I said that there was little difference between Clinton and Obama on the issues. What you call “personalities” I call “competence”. The Clinton campaign fell apart, and I thought and still think she would’ve lost to McCain. YMMV.
Midnight Marauder
@Allison W.:
The issue isn’t that he’s wrong or that he’s echoing the strategy of the Republican Party. The issue is that Democratic Senator Chris Dodd is the point man for killing Elizabeth Warren’s prospects for running the CFBP, and he’s been getting increasingly hostile to the realistic possibility she will get the job. Not only that, but his rationale continues to shift on a weekly basis of why she is unqualified for the position. Notice how he framed the issue back on July 27th:
And check out how disingenuous he was just a week before that on July 19th:
Yeah, I’m sure you aren’t aware of the source of the rumors since you only have been the one spearheading the campaign.
Asshole.
Nick
@NR:
Because if you think it does more harm than good, you’re either wildly misinformed or were a monster who would rather thousands died then be forced to compromise.
Corner Stone
@Sentient Puddle:
Honestly I can’t tell how your comment here makes any sense at all.
Where is Johnsen now? And Warren?
Allison W.
@NR:
Well I wasn’t one of those people, so my comment still stands.
FlipYrWhig
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: I still like the way that people on the self-avowed left moan and snarl and spit and run everything down as insufficient and tainted and an outrage to all right-thinking people and what’s the point of going on like this? And then wonder why no one seems to be that interested in trying to please them.
Corner Stone
@Midnight Marauder: Dodd is gone soon. Why does anyone care what he says?
Nick
@Corner Stone:
Johnsen was filibustered in the SENATE, TWICE.
NR
@Allison W.: Just because you personally weren’t saying these things doesn’t mean no one was. Just look two comments up from yours, for fuck’s sake.
BlizzardOfOz
Don’t worry Mr. Cole … most of us firebaggers know perfectly well by now that Obama’s base is actually “ex” George Bush supporters like yourself.
taylormattd
@Resident Firebagger: Oh god.
What, you want cookie because you only shit on Obama 99/100 times instead of 100/100 times?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Corner Stone: everywhere? nah, a “small sliver of the party”, a slightly larger part of the blogosphere, they’re just loud enough and filled with such deluded self-righteousness that they’re fun to point and laugh at
actually, I think I might remember NY Nick from MyDD, back when a handful of PUMAs were going to save the Clinton campaign by going on strike (I think is how they put it), and no longer posting on GOS. PUMAs and Firebaggers are different, I think. The “Hopey” thing definitely smells like PUMA scat.
Corner Stone
@Nick: I could be wrong but the first nomination was not acted on, and the second was withdrawn.
Is that filibustered in the SENATE, TWICE ?
Nick
@FlipYrWhig:
The professional left are the Alex Forrests of the political world; self-destructive and unfocused with no grasp on reality whose only desire to be noticed and paid attention to.
lacp
This is great – you’re fighting like rabid dogs over an event that hasn’t actually happened! And you’re nominally playing for the same team? Truly awesome. Damn.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: PUMAs!! EVERYWHERE!!
Corner Stone
@lacp: It’s a troll post by Cole. Whaddya want?
Cat
@FlipYrWhig:
fyp.
rikyrah
Want it to happen. don’t care if interim or not.
Corner Stone
@BlizzardOfOz: You forgot the word “rabid”. As in “Rabid George Bush supporters like you”.
rikyrah
Dodd is a ruining whatever reputation he had.
Maude
@Allison W.:
No matter what Obama does, it isn’t good enough.
If Hillary had won, everything would be wonderful.
This attitude can’t be budged.
Nick
@Corner Stone:
First nomination passed Judiciary and was filibustered on the floor…second nomination, she withdrew after Scott Brown announced his opposition to her nomination. She later said she believed even if she was confirmed, the fight would have left a partisan stain that would have complicated her ability to do the job.
Corner Stone
@Nick: So there were two votes on her and she was filibustered TWICE.
Ok, thanks mr. reporter man for your accuracy.
Midnight Marauder
@NR:
Yeah, you are so right. I guess that’s why the HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has been on the warpath against insurance companies lying about the cause of their premium rate increases, right? I guess that’s why the Obama Administration went after the health insurance companies when they were trying to keep children with pre-existing conditions from getting the coverage they were legally entitled to, right? I guess that’s why people like Sen. Ron Wyden out of Oregon is using a provision he helped write into the legislation that allows states to set up their own health care systems as long as they meet minimal requirements established by the Department of Health and Human Services, right?
And admiting that the bill is “pitifully inadequate”?! Because the entire Democratic leadership came out and said “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” after the Affordable Care Act passed? Or rather, did they keep reiterating that this is only the beginning, accurately invoking the histories of similar historic pieces of legislation like Social Security and Medicare? Yeah, it definitely was the last one, since I distinctly remember President Obama making comments like this all fucking year:
And speaking of hysterical warnings, this idiocy right here:
is just all-galaxy moronic. Pop quiz: How many times did Social Security get passed? Once. The rest of the changes to the program have come through amendments and such since 1939.
But that’s the only Social Security bill we got for a generation, right?
Fucking idiot.
Turgidson
@Corner Stone:
I dunno, I’d have to see a swatch.
Nick
@Corner Stone:
A filibuster doesn’t require a vote, it requires filing of, or the threat to file, cloture, which is opposition to unanimous consent to put something to a majority vote.
Jackie
So Fox Fucking News breaks a story everyone ,in a mad frenzy to not be late to the scoop, reports it as fact not rumor(overheard someone on a plane) and now the narrative is Obama is jerking libs around? You ARE being jerked around and, just like the duped teabaggers, are turned around 180 degrees and firing your musket at people who should be your allies.
Midnight Marauder
@Corner Stone:
Because he’s not gone yet.
Sentient Puddle
@Corner Stone: Obama sucks for not appointing people who are awesome, and it doesn’t matter if he appoints awesome people because they’ll get blocked.
Point being that if you took these whiners at their word and constructed some sort of Venn diagram that shows where they’d be satisfied, you’d end up with an empty set.
FlipYrWhig
@Cat: Well, that’s true, flaming righties do succeed in moving politicians their way, and whatever passes for flaming lefties in this country never does. And it’s not fair. A lefty version of the Tea Party would be excoriated and mocked by the media and politicians of both parties.
I guess it’s a legacy of the 1960s, where you get things like the Chicago convention; the official, “respectable” Democratic party doesn’t like the looks of the people to their left and tries to reassure the public that they don’t listen to them. Ergo, “hippie-punching.” The problem for would-be hippies is that there aren’t really that many of them to begin with, and when they look numerous they’re treated as a threat to stare down rather than a force to bring on board.
My sense is that grassroots righties try to take over institutional politics — running for school board, getting loud at public hearings, etc. — but grassroots lefties haven’t done that nearly as much. But whatever the underlying issue is, you can’t fix it by threatening to disengage. If you’re a hippie and you want to stop getting punched, you need to join. Instead we get this self-reinforcing sense that the way to bolster your hippie cred is to remain an outsider and countercultural, to be surly and hard to please and never really satisfied.
mantis
@Sentient Puddle:
Point being that if you took these whiners at their word and constructed some sort of Venn diagram that shows where they’d be satisfied, you’d end up with an empty set.
I think “Empty Set” is a good name for the firebaggers/”professional left”.
Mnemosyne
@lacp:
Welcome to the Democratic Party. Fuck Solidarity is our motto.
eemom
Tee hee. Maybe they should start requiring such imprimaturs for EVERYTHING Obama does, like in campaign ads: “I’m Jane Hamsher, and I shat on this middle-class tax cut.”
wengler
This is a lovely circular firing squad. I assume the appointment of Ms. Warren would be a good thing, but what do I have to do to get some fuckers thrown in jail?
Department of Justice, do your fucking job! The financial industry is built on a mountain of fraud and so far the “stress testing” has only been for the little people that all the shit falls onto to save our financial gods’ fat asses.
Corner Stone
@Sentient Puddle: Sooo…”Nothing can be done!”
Nick
@FlipYrWhig:
I think this is key, they live in a bubble. I’m mildly entertained by watching those on GOS scratching heir heads trying to figure out why Jack Conway is seven points behind Rand Paul in Kentucky.
burnspbesq
@Maude:
“Now it will be, he only did an interim appointment and he should have picked her on 1/21/09.”
Yup. And if you remind them that there was no such position on 1/20/09′ the likely response is “So what?”
Corner Stone
@mantis: Firebaggers! Evah ree wheah!!
kd bart
Can we start referring to them as Randy Marsh Democrats? As in Stan Marsh’s Dad from South Park. If you recall the South Park episode after the 2008 election, Randy Marsh was excited that Obama was elected and celebrated all night. He kept going on and on about how things were going to different and better and how Obama will magically make it better immediately. When he sobered up in the morning and realized that he had to still go to work and that his life was really no different from the day before and things hadn’t magically changed overnight, in a sense he didn’t get his pony, he started ranting against Obama and blaming him for everything.
Corner Stone
@Midnight Marauder:
True. But the Indy Colts perfect season is!!
Thass right! Can I get an “Amen”?
Nick
eemom
@burnspbesq:
No, it’s “Strawman! Strawman! Brrrraaaaaawk!”
Nick
@Maude:
Uh huh and if George Washington wasn’t really part of a secret British plot, he would’ve ran for President in 1770.
Nick
@wengler:
Well, first what they did would have to actually be a crime, and the biggest problem we had is that much of what they did…wasn’t technically a crime, though it should be.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig:
Man, do I have some anecdota for you. Had a straight hippie on our local school board in a very wingnut ISD.
Lots of hilarity ensued. Especially when she asked them to follow their own rules.
She was ridiculed, derided, and eventually forced out. After several confrontations with authoriteh.
Good damn times man. Good.
Point being, hippies in my wingnut woods do bust their asses to “show the fuck up”.
Oscar Leroy
Who cares what Peter Daou thinks? Every single solitary leftist website I’ve seen the past month is dying for Warren to be nominated and thinks it will motivate voters.
“Up next, fifty posts from progressives taking credit for the appointment ”
So what? What reason other than shoring up his base could Obama have to make this appointment?
John, don’t make up reasons to get ticked off. You’ll live longer.
singfoom
As a semi-firebagger, I think this is silly. I’d like to see Elizabeth Warren appointed. I was disappointed by HCR, but in the end it was better than getting nothing. It’s a precedent that hopefully can be built upon and improved over time.
I wanted my pony and over the last 6 months I’ve realized that I’ll never get my pony, even though that pony is the rule of law being applied evenly regardless of the stature of the criminal. Perhaps someday far from the actual crimes I’m speaking of, it will be investigated.
Fine. We got some kind of HCR bill and from my work in insurance, it should help. I found the financial regulation bill lacking, but again, I see it as the stepping stone to some more stringent regulations (I’m looking at you Glass-Steagal) being put in place in the future.
So other firebaggers, accept the current reality and stop shitting on everything this administration does. Please? You can hold the idea of being disappointed by the specific policies while supprting the administration in general, I promise.
The alternative is crazybaggers taking control and fucking up this country even more.
Corner Stone
@Nick: Shhh…the adults are talking. Go sit in the corner of your mommies rich house and have the nanny check your diapy.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
I don’t understand why they’re rushing President Obama so much to make this appointment. After all, the roughly 500,000 homeowners who have lost their homes to foreclosure since the Financial Reform bill was signed certainly think that there’s no urgency to having a consumer advocate at Treasury. Also too, he’s only been in office for a few months, I forget exactly how many.
Allison W.
@NR:
I am not responsible for other people’s comments. When you make claims that progressives were blackmailed, you are not to be taken seriously. Any one in the party who agrees with you and your rhetoric should not be taken seriously.
Nick
@Corner Stone:
Aww, it’s so cute when babies try to imitate adults. You want a scooter pie sweetie?
FlipYrWhig
@Corner Stone: Excellent. Except for the “getting forced out” part. But that’s definitely something that has to happen on a HUGE scale for the grassroots left to match the _actual_ power of the grassroots right. I don’t think the grassroots left will ever match the _symbolic_ power of the right, mostly because the media likes to prove it’s not biased against the right by keeping up fucking the conservative chicken and either punching the hippies or just plain ignoring them.
Nick
@Oscar Leroy:
If he’s doing it to shore up his “base” it’s a stupid reason, because the number of voters who will suddenly decide to vote because of her nomination are small to none. Everyone’s either already turning out, or will find another reason not to.
He should appoint her because she’s a good choice, but it’s going to have little effect on electoral politics, that was John’s point.
Oscar Leroy
@FlipYrWhig:
Hmm, that’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that. It would be nice.
Allison W.
@wengler:
you do know that the real crime is that most of what they did was legal?
Oscar Leroy
@Nick:
I couldn’t disagree more, except for the part about her being a good choice.
Oscar Leroy
Recess appointments? Just throwing that out there.
Midnight Marauder
@Corner Stone:
AMEN!
Face, Indianapolis. Face.
Corner Stone
@FlipYrWhig: Forced out is relative I guess. The next election she had 3 hard core “conservative” opponent for her seat. So she switched and went after one of the existing conservative nutbags.
They both lost to a 3rd party newcomer but it was glorious.
She was, and is, awesome.
Allison W.
@lacp:
that’s how we roll up in here….and pretty much all over the lib blogosphere.
sad.
Oscar Leroy
Heck, the entire opening post was a straw man attack. So is every charge against most people who are upset with Obama.
Nick
@Oscar Leroy: You really think there are thousands of voters sitting around going “If he appoints Warren, I’ll vote and I’ll start approving of him again?”
I’d be surprised if there are thousands of voters who know who she is at all.
Oscar Leroy
@Allison W.:
People talking about politics. . . on a politics talk site? Now I’ve seen everything!
Bruce (formerly Steve S.)
Atrios called it “good news”, David Dayen at FDL offered “unqualified praise,” Kos said “Yes. This.” How long did it take you to find the Daou tweet, and is now the spokesperson for all of us?
Corner Stone
@Nick: Nick, in case it has not been made clear here recently, let me reiterate.
You are a liar. Every thing you type here is a lie. You do not work in the media, you are not the child of a wealthy family, you do not have a 22 yr old diabetic cousin who needs HCR.
You are a shill who relentlessly pushes a message that nothing can be done, no fight will be successful, standing up for liberal/left values is hopeless.
You are a punk bitch lying paid shill. Punto.
Linda Featheringill
@cleek:
You would like her, cleek. Trust me [us].
Nick
@Bruce (formerly Steve S.):
Daou’s tweet is from last week was retweeted by John at that time.
The diaries of all those said people are chock full of what I mentioned above. The point is the same people you mentioned have gotten all excited before (like when the WH refused to compromise on the Consumer Protection Agency, or forced Jim Bunning’s hand on Unemployment) only to go back to the “HE SOLD US OUT” mentality a week later.
Like Daou said, everyone will praise Obama for a few days if he appoints Warren and then find some other reason to call him the biggest sellout ever within a week and the end result is…it will do nothing to close the enthusiasm gap.
Glenndacious Greenwaldian (formerly tim)
ahhhhhh…an epic length flame war in which I played no part and as a result have no hurt fee fees.
a pleasant but unusual feeling.
Tis true though, that this seems one of JC’s classic troll posts
Nick
@Corner Stone: Hush child, serious conversation going on here.
cleek
@Linda Featheringill:
sweet!
i’m all for liking people.
so i hope she wins, or gets appointed, or whatever it is she’s supposed to do.
Corner Stone
@Nick: You are hilarious dog. Not only are you a straight paid shill liar but you’re pretty clueless.
You do know the owner of this blog recently posted about which one of his pets ate tinfoil, and he’d be waiting to see which one shit it out?
Whoever is paying you to post around the blogosphere is getting hosed.
IOW, you are a liar who has never held a job in the media.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
First of all, they didn’t own their home, they were paying a mortgage on a house that they could barely afford in the best of times, and through a payment plan, they hoped to own one day. But they didn’t own it when they lost it. Reality just caught up to them.
I’ve rented for over 15 years because I couldn’t comfortably afford a house – just like those 500,000 schmucks who couldn’t afford the house they hoped to own someday, but decided to buy anyway.
I’m of the mind that if you can’t afford to pay cash for a new car, then you should buy a used car that you can pay cash for. And if you can’t afford to buy a house properly (large down payment, 15-year mortgage) then you should rent.
Corner Stone
@cleek: I think she’s supposed to capture the flag.
Or maybe she’s a beast at paint ball. I can’t tell anymore.
Corner Stone
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
You do know you just described everyone, right?
I mean, I bought a house at 1:1 but it ain’t fucking mine for the next 10 years.
Fucking douchebag.
Nick
@Corner Stone: Whatever helps you sleep at night and keeps the boogeymen away.
Corner Stone
@Nick: Ha! You are of the mentality that needs a boogeyman. Oh no! Someone is stopping what is the right path! Boogeyman!
No matter what X you fit in there, you’re selling the story of an intractable boogeyman.
You’re a liar and a paid shill.
Bruce (formerly Steve S.)
@Nick:
Hey look, I found a picture of you and John.
Nick
@Bruce (formerly Steve S.): That’s all you got? weak.
Once again, like the saying goes, once someone resorts to personal attacks, it means you’ve won the argument.
Cat
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
WTF. When did they appoint you the deciderer of the ‘right’ way to buy things?
AND even if they did get a 15 year mortgage is the ‘right’ way to live to have 2 years of life expenses saved up so when you get laid off and can’t find a job for 60 weeks you don’t lose the house you “couldn’t” afford because you weren’t prescient enough to realize you were going to lose your job in 2009 and not be able to find another one?
Nick
@Corner Stone: Oh stop whining, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Corner Stone
@Nick: If the D’s had followed your stellar advice in 06 or 08, to focus on some 3rd party boogeyman (the media), I’m sure they would’ve been elected to majorities in Congress and won the WH.
But yet, somehow, nothing can be done to push the D message until we focus on some removed 3rd party. Not the message the R’s are selling, but someone who is unaccountable to the public. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
It’s always about a distraction for you Nick. That is what you are paid to sell.
Nick
@Corner Stone:
I’m sure of it too. I’m glad you agree.
And yet you haven’t come up with a single idea, not one, because you don’t have one, so you mock me for coming up wit one. You’re either too much of moron to realize the message the R’s are selling is the same message the media is selling, or you don’t actually want a solution at all, you want to pretend there’s one that doesn’t exist so it will never be used and you can keep acting like the childish jerk you are. The media IS the Republican Party, admitting that would mean realizing we have to take them on and there should actually be a solution, it would ruin your constant trolling.
You people don’t want solution, you just want to bitch and other people who actually have solutions make you mad.
Corner Stone
@Nick: Actually I just want you to move on to the Quran thread and tell everyone hoe bad this is going to play in Peoria.
Nick, you are a liar and paid shill thread jacker.
NR
Nothing in that comment you posted backs up your contention that Obama sees this bill as “only the beginning.” Do you really think that just because he happened to mention Social Security and Medicare, that means he was admitting that the HCR bill was hugely flawed and needs to be fixed? Fucking idiot, yourself.
Bruce (formerly Steve S.)
@Nick:
Ah yes, your “argument” that “everyone” will “call [Obama] the biggest sellout ever within a week.” Quite an “argument” you’ve got there. Must be awfully lonely, you against “everyone.”
Corner Stone
@Nick: Your solution is to “fight the media”.
That’s like saying we should organize opposition to rain clouds.
Stop lying you lying fucking liar.
Anyone who suggests we focus on an amorphous 3rd party like “the media” instead of actual specific Republicans and Republican proposals is worthless.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
@J.A.F. Rusty Trombone:
> just like those 500,000 schmucks who couldn’t afford
> the house they hoped to own someday, but decided
> to buy anyway.
RT, I don’t understand how these schmucks forced their banks to lend them so much money.
NR
@Allison W.:
I didn’t say you were responsible for other people’s comments. I’m saying that those comments were made. And progressives were blackmailed into supporting Obama’s corporatist health care bill. Any time a progressive dared to speak up and say “Hey, this bill is a piece of shit,” a chorus of people here (and at many other places) jumped up and shouted “Medicaid expansion! Subsidies! If you don’t support this bill, you want tens of thousands of people to die!”
Well, now it turns out that the states have no money for the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies are not going to make the now-mandatory private health insurance affordable for millions of Americans. And thanks to this bill, there will be no more reform of the health care system for at least a generation. Heckuva job, guys.
Mnemosyne
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:
I realize that all of us in the lefty blogosphere are pissed off at Obama policies that put paying the bank over the homeowners, but one of my friends is a HUGE Obama supporter and she is PISSED at the thought that homeowners might get government assistance.
I know this is Atrios’ hobbyhorse, but I don’t think he understands how most people really feel about a homeowner bailout. On the ground, people hate it more than the bank bailout.
NR
@Midnight Marauder: By the way, dumbass, here’s the speech Obama made when he signed the health care bill:
He says the Senate needs to make a “last round” of improvements (referring to the reconciliation “sidecar” and nothing else) and that this piece of shit corporatist bill is what generations of Americans have been fighting, marching, and hungering for. Nowhere does he say that this bill is just a beginning and needs to be improved.
Obama is done with HCR. He got the bill he wanted and he is not going to revisit it. The rest of the Democratic leadership feels the same way. Sure, there are some isolated progressive Democrats calling for improvements, but these are the same progressive Democrats that the party leadership routinely shits all over (and you guys happily joined in shitting all over them back during the HCR debate), so that won’t amount to anything. HCR is dead for at least a generation. You’d better learn to love this bill, because it’s all you’re getting.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Since he mentioned the last two huge government programs that needed a huge amount of tinkering before they took their present form, yes, I think that’s exactly what he was admitting.
I know you wanted a shirt-tearing mea culpa with Obama crying about the horrendous inadequacies of the bill, but you know what? The guy I work with whose son was about to age out of being covered by his insurance is very happy with Obama right now, because his son can’t find a job that includes insurance. There are thousands of people like that. So, yes, if you insist that the bill did no good whatsoever for anyone, either you’re misinformed about the provisions of the bill or you’re just pouting because you didn’t get your way.
burnspbesq
@Corner Stone
@Nick
Get a room.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: I guess you have taught us a deep and abiding lesson. Nothing is good enough; so if you can’t have everything, bitch and whine. Taking an improvement over the status quo and then working to improve it further is what sellouts do. Thank you for your wisdom.
burnspbesq
@NR:
“Well, now it turns out that the states have no money for the Medicaid expansion and the subsidies are not going to make the now-mandatory private health insurance affordable for millions of Americans.”
If you are suggesting that that was the plan all along, then you are just bat-guano crazy. Shit happens, and this particular pile of it is compliments of the Republican Party.
eemom
Can somebody bookmark this thread to save us the trouble of going through it all again when Obama actually does appoint Warren?
That way the appointment can come pre-flame-warred as well as pre-shit-upon. tee hee.
Midnight Marauder
@NR:
You are clearly one of the dumbest people on the internet.
I really think Mnemosyne handled the response to this historically ignorant inanity quite succinctly:
Just a rare level of idiocy we are seeing today from NR. Really, it’s the kind of thing you will tell your grandkids about one day.
Corner Stone
@eemom: Sure. Cole already pre-fucked the pony. We might as well keep it for posterity.
Midnight Marauder
@NR:
Here’s where you really demonstrate what an obtuse imbecile you are. You base your contention on a speech from the signing ceremony in March, and then proceed to ignore the evolution and content of President Obama’s remarks from June, only a couple months out from the signing of the bill and the shit really hitting the fan.
And let’s examine your statement that the President is “done” with the Affordable Care Act. Perhaps we should take a look the speech you linked to?
Well, I’ll be damned if that doesn’t sound like President Obama saying he’s going to be on top of this issue for the next four year, with the explicit implication that implementing the Affordable Care Act–and making sure that it functions properly–will be a focus of his for years to come.
I would really love to see how you would have reacted when Social Security was first rolled out and it excluded most women and minorities, while its employment definitions reflected categories that were almost exclusively for white males.
I bet you would have been pissed about that, right? NO WAY Social Security transforms into the essential, vibrant piece of the American fabric it is today with that kind of auspicious beginning, right?
Uncle Clarence Thomas
@J.A.F. Rusty Trombone:
> I’m of the mind that if you can’t afford to pay cash for
> a new car, then you should buy a used car that you can
> pay cash for. And if you can’t afford to buy a house
> properly (large down payment, 15-year mortgage)
> then you should rent.
Also too, I don’t understand why, if you can’t afford the medical care that would allow you to live, you can’t choose the alternative:
“
The progressive vision was on full display yesterday during a vigil led by Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA) that halted, for now, the foreclosure of a cancer victim’s home. For months, Bonita, California resident Luz Maria Villanueva had been facing impending foreclosure on her home by Union Bank. Villanueva’s situation was especially dire due to the fact that her son has a kidney disease as well as cancer. As medical bills began to pile up, Villanueva had to choose between the life of her son and her home, and she chose her son.
As Union Bank began to close in on Villanueva’s home, Rep. Bob Filner (D-CA), who represents the woman and her son in Congress, took note of her situation. Comparing the struggle of families trying to keep their homes to the civil rights struggles of the 1960s which landed him in a Mississippi jail for two months, Filner announced that he’d be holding a community vigil on the steps of Villanueva’s house on the day a local sheriff was scheduled to come foreclose on her. He warned that doing so “may result” in his arrest, but that was willing to risk it to help her save her home.
“
NR
@Midnight Marauder:
You mean the remarks from June in which he didn’t say anything even close to what you’re claiming he said? The remarks from June where he talked about the health care bill and was singing its praises without saying anything about how it needs to be improved? The remarks from June where he didn’t even talk about how Social Security and Medicare were improved after passage, but rather just simply mentioned those programs in passing? Those remarks?
Good god, you are a complete fucking idiot.
Allison W.
@NR:
In other words, when those people came across shrill and generic critique of the bill they put you in your place instead of joining in the ‘Obama’s out to get progressives’ pity party?
Sorry love, I have no sympathy for you. You guys give as good as you get so suck it up.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: Context, boyo. Throughout the debate, people arguing for passage of the bill used Social Security, Medicare, and Civil Rights legislation as examples of laws that were imperfect when originally passed and then improved and amended over the years. Aw, fuck it, why am I bothering to argue with you?
Paula
@Paula:
haha, number 200, bitches!!
mantis
And progressives were blackmailed into supporting Obama’s corporatist health care bill. Any time a progressive dared to speak up and say “Hey, this bill is a piece of shit,” a chorus of people here (and at many other places) jumped up and shouted “Medicaid expansion! Subsidies! If you don’t support this bill, you want tens of thousands of people to die!”
Right. “Progressives” were “blackmailed,” insofar as blackmail means that people who disagreed with them posted comments on blogs. Call the cops on these blackmailers!
Such delicate little flowers, these self-professed progressives (who ironically and steadfastly oppose any progress that isn’t 100% pure magical pony).
Corner Stone
@mantis: Pony fuckers!! EVERYWHERE!!
BTD
Hilarious thread.
Since I don’t care if Warren is appointed or not, I get to laugh.
In fact, I wish Obama traded the Warren appointment for his tax cut plan, if he could. That actually matters imo.
LanceThruster
@General Stuck: Yes. I believe it was called “The Warning”.
She was right at every turn, stymied by everyone from Greenspan, other regulators, those on Capitol Hill, the old boy network, and the usual crooks and liars.
Even when they dodged the first near meltdown bullet by the other banks ponying up to cover losses, instead of backing her and her previously independent regulator position, they moved to relieve her of any power by requiring approval from outside her office for actions and subpoenas.
I believe you can see most of it online. It will boil your blood. One guy alone of the economic team of experts tearfully admits he wishes he hadn’t sided with the old guard but that she just wasn’t part of their clique so it would have been a career killer to swim against the tide.
The same dolts who brought this on were rewarded by further advancement.
[last lines from “Bridge on the River Kwai”]
Major Clipton: Madness! Madness!
wengler
@Nick @Allison W.
No, fraud is still illegal. Bond rating agencies getting paid off to rate a piece of shit as the safest possible investment is illegal. I get that the trouble is proving it but that is why juries are there to decide.
Seriously, you gonna prosecute the teenager on the corner dealing crack and not even bother with even fucking trying to bring down the people that fucked over the economy? Even rich fuckers need an economy that works. And Americans are willing to kill other people over damn near anything. That’s a pretty big chance for the oligarchs to be taking.
Jbird
Ah, I see. As someone to the left of Obama on consumer protection, I’m mad at . . . someone(?), and I voted for . . . Hillary Clinton(!). Oh, and, um, Warren’s nomination hasn’t actually been announced yet, which in turn is causing me to . . . look, I can’t keep track of what you’re saying I believe and say and do.
It’s these damn memory implants messing with me again. Thanks for straightening me out but I’m going to have to get back to you.
Dr. Psycho
To be fair, the Left Base is waaaaay saner than the Right Base (aka Wingnuts).
You can call that damning with faint praise if you like….
Jbird
On a serious note, John, this post comes across as sort of insane. I realize dealing with Experian can drive people to this, but we’re talking Maureen-Dowd-talking-about-sweaters weird here. You repost a tweet from some guy (should I know who this guy is?) and then expand it into a psychic hyperbolic prediction of what the left is about to do in shrieking capital letters.
Then it turns out the whole point of the post is undermined so you add an update, also a paranoid fantasy about what the left is about to do, also in capital letters. You don’t have somebody’s Twitter to post and “translate” for that one, so you just make it up out of whole cloth.
I like reading this site but I’ll never understand why y’all can’t get over a primary fight your blog had with Firedoglake, dot com, the Internet blog (and that’s what I’m guessing happened from all the lingo that was invented here). The issues here are on the table for a reason other than blogfights.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jbird: on an even more serious note: Lighten up, Francis.
gerry
Dear Mr. Cole,
Please get a grip on yourself.
Thanks.