Or something.
I honestly don’t know what the crap this guy is talking about. It’s just batshit bananas. Something about unmarried women not wanting married women to have children because all single women are lesbians, or something?
I don’t know, you tell me:
Meeuwsen: There are lots of government-funded agencies in this country. Why do you think the President picked that one above all else to say, ‘not one penny’?
Robertson: Well it’s the left; it’s this culture of death. The far-left is livid about killing babies. They want to kill do this, they want to destroy. You go back, and I don’t want to play all this psychological stuff but nevertheless, if a woman is a lesbian, what advantage does she have over a married woman? Or what deficiency does she have?
Meeuwsen: Well she can’t have children
Robertson: That’s exactly right. And so if these married women don’t have children, if they abort their babies, then that kind of puts them on a level playing field. And you say, nobody’s there to express that? Isn’t that shocking, well think about it a little bit ladies and gentlemen.
What the–
I don’t–
I’m just gonna look at the amusing cartoon for a while…
(H/T Denise!)
[via Right Wing Watch; image via Natalie Dee]
[I don’t know what “#dickwhisperer” means, but my vagina isn’t outraged enough for the “Vagina Outrage” category. Maybe if there was a “Vagina Bemusement” category…]
different church-lady
Well, it’s quite clear his intent is to make your head explode.
The best revenge in this case is to not allow your head to explode.
Cermet
Robertson + so-called typical amerikan christian = insane. Why else? You appear to not understand Christianity in this insane immoral country.
STUCKZILLA!
Call it VAGINA REBELLION
That’ll get ther attention . PD fucking Q.
bwwa ahahahhha teehee!!
Ash Can
Don’t the later stages of syphilis make people act like this?
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
It’s the intersection of mental illness and a pathetic bid for the attention that has long since been transferred to other crazies, grifters, and panderers.
MikeJ
#dickwhisperer is specifically about WaPo “reporter” Dana Milbank who whispered “You’re such a dick” to Nico Pitney during one of those cable TV shoutfests.
MattR
I think what Robertson is saying is that the left’s desire to create equality for lesbians is so extreme that it pushes them to encourage abortion for heterosexual women because that way neither of them have children.
PS. No excuse for not knowing Dick Whisperer when it is in the Lexicon.
Warren Terra
It’s there in the lexicon:
Google also works …
ETA PS I’d never looked at the drop-down menu of tags before – but did you know there’s one called “Vagina Outrage”?
Cat Lady
@MattR:
You speak wingnut. Impressive! and Scary!
ABL
oh, i always forget about the ding dang lexicon.
Comrade Colette Collaboratrice
Nearly all the lesbians I know have children. But I live in San Francisco, not in America, so what do I know?
ppcli
@MattR: Aha – excellent translation. Makes sense. That’s similar to the reason why the left tends to favor more relaxed drug laws. For reasons of equality: only through ingesting massive simultaneous doses of LSD, ether, ibøgaine, and cheap bourbon can most people attain the state of mind Pat Robertson occupies all the time.
Guster
@MattR: Dude, that’s brilliant. You have my vaginadmiration.
STUCKZILLA!
@Cat Lady:
So do I. cANT SPELL IT, BUT CAN SPEEK IT.
jeffreyw
I read that as “create quality lesbians” and I wondered: Maybe inculcate them with a certain understated elegance or something? Because I can see that working.
Chris
Watching conservatives try to think is just really, really, really funny sometimes, like walking a dog trying to walk on its hind legs to the power of a gajillion.
Shadow's Mom
Wow! Thank you, Pat Robertson! I did not know that when a woman became a lesbian her ovaries and uterus stopped working. Nor did I know that married women want to be on the same playing field as lesbians and will abort their babies in an attempt to do so.
Shhh! Don’t tell the lesbians who went to a sperm bank to get pregnant, or who had children through heterosexual intercourse, that their children don’t really exist
ppcli
Many years ago, Robertson’s cohost was a woman with a Scottish accent and a beautiful singing voice that she would be given a spotlight to show off every now and then. She was just as much a wingnut, but she was very sharp and had an independent spirit. Whenever Pat would say anything particularly deranged, she would give him this half smile, and a “weeelll…”, with an amused sideways “you’re going off the rails, boss” look in her eye. I miss her – the contrast between her and this airhead yes-woman Meeuwsen couldn’t be starker.
Chris
Also,
Check this link out(salon.com/news/politics/red/2001/04/18/blue/): Pat Robertson weighing in on abortion in the People’s Republic of China.
“I don’t agree with it. But at the same time, they’ve got 1.2 billion people, and they don’t know what to do,” Robertson told Blitzer. “If every family over there was allowed to have three or four children, the population would be completely unsustainable … I think that right now they’re doing what they have to do. I don’t agree with the forced abortion, but I don’t think the United States needs to interfere with what they’re doing internally in this regard.”
Pat Robertson is just fine with China’s anti-choice, anti-life policies, leading to the inescapable conclusion that it really is the woman’s choice and not the baby’s death that he has a problem with.
Linda Featheringill
@Comrade Colette Collaboratrice:
I did some research once upon a time and found that something like 2/3 to 3/4 of all lesbians have at least one child. The same is true of straight women, married women, single women, women in jail, women who are declared insane, etc.
Martin
Teh gheys don’t have behbehs. Behbehs make you straight. Abortions keep more lezzies in the lezzie boat.
Bob Loblaw
Wait, we have a reason for our baby killing agenda? I thought we just did it recreationally? And to show our solidarity with Satan, of course, but that’s always the case with everything we do.
Shit, we’re cleverer than I thought. Here’s to the new lesbianic world order.
TooManyPaulWs
It’s something about how lesbians can’t have babies, so the lefties want abortions so that all women can be lesbians. To which I reply: “Hey Pat. IT’S CALLED ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION, AND EVEN LESBIANS GET THEM TOO. AND IT’S LEGAL, JERKASS!”
Sorry for the CAPS LOCK, but it’s only meant for Pat.
Chyron HR
And then Pat Robertson came over, pinned a medal on me, and said, “You’re our boy.”
Culture of Truth
Does he know what livid means?
amk
My take – lesbians are gonna kill us all.
handy
Pat Robertson’s still alive? More to the point, hasn’t he stopped being relevant since the 80s?
Spaghetti Lee
Batshit bananas are the least tasty kind of fruit.
Ghanima Atreides
Culture of Death links back to this Ramesh Ponnuru old-white-people-scare-book.
I had a big blogfight with that assclown once. I told him I hoped his kids were forced to attend BYU and Oral Roberts.
;)
Zifnab
The abortionists need to kill all those babies, otherwise the atheists won’t have anything to eat and we’ll lose all our special powers.
Omnes Omnibus
Wha?
R-Jud
@Warren Terra:
“Vagina Outrage” always makes me think of the last panel of this comic strip.
joeyess
What did any of that mean? I think Pat skipped a few doses of Aricept.
jrg
Let’s think about this for a second. Robertson’s got to be pushing 400 years old.
In all that time, I’m quite sure some liberal, somewhere, has tried to explain why abortions should be legal (terminating pregnancies where the baby will live a short life and die a painful death, health of the mother, preventing botched back-alley medical procedures, etc, etc, etc).
Presumably, someone has also tried to explain Planned Parenthood to him (they provide birth control and family planning, help prevent unwanted pregnancies, which in turn helps prevent starving children, etc, etc, etc).
Yet, every time the subject of mocking “conservatives” like Robertson comes up, someone on this site invariably says that we should not mock them, we should try to reason with them…
How do you reason with someone like this? These people are fucking morons. If Robertson were any dumber, he would not be able to speak at all… He’s about 5 IQ points above finger painting the walls of the 700 club with handfuls of his own diarrhea.
handy
@Zifnab:
That was covered in a South Park episode a few years ago.
joeyess
What did any of that mean? I suspect that Pat has been skipping his daily dose of Aricept.
aimai
@Warren Terra:
I thought it was because Dick Cheney was known to use Milbank as a conduit for favorable information and that Milbank had done several suck up “beat sweetner” style pieces on Cheney.
aimai
Capri
What is most striking is that it is the woman he’s speaking to that came up with the difference between lesbians and straight women being they can’t have children.
Certainly the exchange was scripted to some degree, but still…
From my own experience (in America, not San Fran) 3/4 of lesbians having kids of their own sounds about right
MikeJ
@Ghanima Atreides: No one should be forced to oral Roberts.
Studly Pantload
What’s scary isn’t that one old fart is uttering some conspiracy-theory word salad, it’s that 27ish% of the gen pop upon hearing that would just nod in agreement.
Ghanima Atreides
@MikeJ:
win.
Brachiator
So let me get this … straight. Having an abortion turns a woman into the ghey? And they will never, never, never, ever want to have children again?
And so, all the ghey women I know who have children are closet heteros?
It must be so confusing in Pat Robertson’s head.
This ranks up their with the stupidity of the Proposition 8 supporters who are against Vaughn R. Walker for judging while ghey:
What a world.
Barb Hartwell
How does this guy keep a forum this long. He is just a crazy old fool, along with his idiot side kick. I was brought up catholic,but never thought about telling what other people should or could not do.
These crazy right wing nut jobs have a nerve, they don`t want to help pay for kids after they are born, but they won`t let you touch their money for abortion either. Oh but send your sons and daughters to war and have them slaughtered I guess that`s OK. with you huh Pat.
A L
Hey guys I hear a Republican Said a Thing. Let’s post psot post
gene108
Robertson makes sense, from the Religious Right’s point of view.
The Religious Right basically views the Homosexual Agenda as an attempt to exterminate humanity. Since homosexuals cannot procreate, while conducting homosexual sex, the goal of the homosexuals is to inflict straight people with the same deficiency they have in not being able to conceive babies while getting it on.
This is why homosexuals must be opposed at all costs. Giving into them, will mean the extinction of the human race.
kdaug
“The gods value morals alone, they have paid no compliments to intellect, not offered it a single reward. If intellect is welcome anywhere in the other world, it is in hell, not heaven”.
– Mark Twain, as quoted in Lapham’s review of Twain’s autobiography in this month’s Harpers
aimai
I won’t even listen but I’ll take a stab at elucidating some probable premises:
Lesbians in Robertson’s version of reality are some form of bizarro world anti-married-woman “thing.” In Robertson’s world lesbians aren’t merely unwomanly or unfeminine they are antithetical to these things because they don’t submit to the control of men sexually or socially. Potentially, neither do unmarried women who are feminists. The only real women are married women who are not feminists.
But there’s always the potential for the licentious freedom that lesbians and feminists have from masculine control to appeal to “real” married, het women. So they have to be protected from the agressive actions of gay and feminist women seeking to convert them.
How do babies get into it? Well, babies and motherhood are both the natural result of natural womanly feelings and also part of a male centered household so, naturally, when the unnatural meets the natural the unnatural tries to destroy the natural (kill the babeez) and also may tempt the natural woman to throw off her chains, I mean her babeez, which she can only do by aborting or killing them or, just as bad, preventing their existence.
The very notion that lots of lesbian and feminist het women love their babies voluntarily, seek motherhood voluntarily, is anathema to a world view in which women do what they are told by the men in their lives. In the case of lesbians because no men means no lawful authority. In the case of feminist women their feminism is a bar to their doing things under masculine compulsion so what they and their husbands freely choose to do doesn’t “count.”
Oh, go read the Authoritarians and you’ll see how logical all this crazy is. Its never what you do, but who tells you to do it that matters to these people. That’s why they aren’t anti torture as long as its done to the right people. And that’s why they can’t tell the difference between consensual sex and rape, or torture and a frat prank. Mutual consent is anathema to authoritarians.
aimai
vernonlee
I wish PFAW wouldn’t end the clip with that somber music – instead I think they should fade out to Benny Hill soundtrack.
Betty Cracker
@aimai: Bingo. Also, that word “livid”? I do not think it means what he thinks it means.
BC
Why can’t lesbian women have children? Does being lesbian mean your vagina and uterus no longer work?
jl
Hey, watch it, there,
“Vagina Bemusement”
That can be interpreted as hate speech directed at insecure men.
jl
@BC: Any such children will not be raised in the type of family these people approve of, therefore they can be omitted from the analysis.
Crashman
It makes sense, really, because the left is always pushing for more capital punishment, more wars, longer prison sentences, voucherized health-care, less environmental regulations… I mean, damn, the list goes on. Leftists just want to destroy everything.
cynickal
Shorter Wing-nut:
Women ain’t nothin’ but baby makers
joeyess
sorry about the multiple posts. seems as if Tunch’s hair clogged up the John Cole Conservative Ridicule Machine for some reason. What’s an ailurophile do? Cat hair just seems to gravitate toward me.
mr. whipple
What’s really, really scary are the thousands and thousands of lunkheads who listened to this and nodded sagely in agreement.
aimai
@jl:
Vagina Bemusement would make a great stage name!
aimai
No One of Consequence
You’re going to have that brown baby, Lady, and Obamadamnit you’re gonna SPANK IT!
Or something…
– NOoC
** shuffles back to the Group W bench…
Anoniminous
Robertson is an 81 year old dickweed. The son of a US Senator he spent his military service during the Korean War heroically ensuring the officer’s clubs in Japan had enough booze; he delivered so much whiskey, so valiantly, he was promoted to First Lieutenant.
He, of course, claimed to have received 3 battle stars. Until that vicious bastard Rep. Pete McCloskey (R/D) ‘outed’ him for being a liar.
After graduating from Yale Law School and plowing the bar exam he “saw the light,” took a divinity degree, and went into TV broadcast God-Bothering which he parlayed into mega-bucks.
The man is a worthless POS and when he croaks the average cognitive functioning of the planet will be raised ever so slightly.
ABL
@aimai: nailed it.
@joeyess: i’ll fix it for ya. wordpress is a cruel mistress.
gex
What’s new? The fact is that it has been a winning political strategy for the right over the last 15-20 years to vocally demonize gay people, and for the most part, that has won at the ballot boxes EVERY TIME no matter what statistics people will trot out to explain how it’s getting better. People aren’t getting less religious and religions aren’t getting fewer tax incentives to continue to keep their beliefs out there.
Villago Delenda Est
Robertson is just a loon. Period. Leader of a flock of loons.
These people are all batshit insane, and they demand that you conform with their insanity. That’s what it’s all about.
gex
@TooManyPaulWs: To be fair, IVF is considered, along with contraception, to be unnatural and one of the things his folks would ban. So in the world he would create, lesbians CAN’T have babies.
PhoenixRising
3/4 of lesbians having kids of their own
and the rest of us, 27% or so, have kids of someone else’s own, so there’s the magic number again.
I think what Pat’s trying to say is, Straight women who have abortions instead of babies are on the way to becoming lesbians. And practicing witchcraft.
But that could be an echo from something he or Jerry F said back in the second Reagan Administration. Why aren’t all these dudes more dead of natural causes yet?
gex
@Barb Hartwell: He spreads the word of God. If you believe in God, you can chose whichever version is for sale. He’s found that a lot of people like a hateful, vengeful God.
PhoenixRising
Just can’t quit this topic: When I wanted to turn straight women into lesbians, back before I was gay-married, I didn’t typically use an abortion clinic, ever since finding four-year liberal-arts colleges to be a much more effective environment for the purpose. YMMV.
Or maybe Pat’s trying to say that lesbians want abortions to make ourselves equal to straight married women. Okay, but aside from the abortions, let’s talk more about this equality. Which spouse gets to “babysit” her own kids, spend 22 minutes a day cooking instead of twice that, and consistently exaggerate how much she “helps out” around the house in surveys? Because that’s the equality this lesbian wants…oh wait, that would be equality with married straight MEN…never mind, old dude is just crazy. That’s not an equality I’m in the market for.
Poopyman
@gex: And when basters are outlawed, only outlaws will have basters.
singfoom
So very Christian of them to force all women to have babies despite their own wishes. Let us not consider the possibility of suffering after birth due to bad circumstances.
I forgot, which death god do we pray to here before we go on our baby murdering rampges? Kali?
Stefan
You go back, and I don’t want to play all this psychological stuff but nevertheless, if a woman is a lesbian, what advantage does she have over a married woman?
Umm, she’ll get busy with another chick? HELLOO???
grandpajohn
What is newsworthy about Pat”foot in mouth” Robertson spouting another of his frequent insane comments that will have to be revised shortly as “not meant to be factual. What surprises me is anyone even still listens to the senile old fart and especially that anyone could actually believe that he in anyway actually represents what most of thinking non-fundamentalist Christians think and believe.
kdaug
@Villago Delenda Est:
Wait, are we putting our left foot in, out, or shaking it all about? Or have we already moved onto turning ourselves around?
merrinc
@Shadow’s Mom:
What about hetero women who had their babies and then interfered with God’s plan by having our tubes tied so that we could continue to fornicate without procreating? Are we equal to lesbians?
transmaniacon
When I was twenty, I spent the better part of a summer trying to convert a lesbian.
I’ve had no far-right tendencies otherwise.
grandpajohn
What is newsworthy about Pat”foot in mouth” Robertson spouting another of his frequent insane comments that will have to be revised shortly as “not meant to be factual. What surprises me is anyone even still listens to the senile old fart and especially that anyone could actually believe that he in anyway actually represents what most of thinking non-fundamentalist Christians think and believe. @gex:
Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@Poopyman: I originally read that as “bastards”. It worked that way, too.
The Moar You Know
Pat Robertson ought to be executed for his dealings with Liberia, the blood diamond trade and the material support that provided to Al-Queda.
From Wikpedia:
Pat Robertson is a fraud and an accessory to mass murder.
Studly Pantload
@A L:
Gotta admire a quick learner.
Iowa Housewife
Oh so now it is clear to me, you can only have babies if you are a married woman. oh.
Cliff in NH
@Chris:
Conservatives can’t think as well as dogs can walk on their back legs.
Proof:
Merengue dancing dog
gex
@Cliff in NH: Sometimes it is a tragedy that we can’t upvote a post.
Sko Hayes
@The Moar You Know: Wow, I never heard that. Thanks for posting that.
Sko Hayes
And ABL, you think Robertson is bad- here is one of our elected Representatives, Allen West:
alan.com/2011/04/25/rep-allen-west-liberal-women-neuter-american-men/?utm_source=twitterfeed&ut…
joeyess
@ABL: thank you, ABL.
Mrs. Bitch
Okay, okay. I get it!!! It’s brilliant. Let me clarify: All of us married ladies will get abortions because the lesbians tell us to. Then we’ll be on the same level as the lesbians. No, wait, we can still have more babies. But lesbians can have babies too, so aren’t we already on the same level?
WAIT! I think I’ve got it… no, lost it.
NO! I’ve got it: We’ll kill all our unborn babies because we want all the glory and special rights that lesbians have. Well, that might not be right.
WAIT!! I know, I know! Obama is a closet lesbian who wants us straight women to kill our unborn babies — oh shit…never mind.
UTERUS! UTERUS! UTERUS! U T E R U S !!
Wonder how Pat feels about women using birth control?
Cliff in NH
@Mrs. Bitch:
I bet he files it under:
Wife Must Submit to/obey Husband
Triassic Sands
I did, Pat, and my head exploded.
gelfling545
I spent much of my life teaching middle school & therefore have listened to a lot of bs arguments that were blatant attempts to obscure the facts and was usually at least able to follow the trail but I can’t make any sense out of this any way any how.
WereBear
@The Moar You Know: I did not know that.
I didn’t know it was possible for me to loathe him more. Uh, thanks?
Ruckus
I was thinking maybe senility was setting in.
But then I find out that I have not been hating this ass near as much as I should have been. And it has been an astounding level of hate.
@The Moar You Know:
Are there any current religious leaders who have any concept of the teachings they are supposed to follow? Are there any who come within 20 miles of being a reasonable role model, one that doesn’t make your skin want to fly off in disgust?
I can’t think of any currently. I believe that MLK was a more than reasonable religious leader. Yes he had his faults, find one of us who doesn’t.
Cliff in NH
@Ruckus:
that dali lama guy, he is pretty cool, think he even tried to arrange scientific testing of meditation states to get some good data… ahh found it: dharma.ca/article_19092003.html
JRon
Oddly enough, the thing that jumped out at me in his random word string was that he concluded with “level playing field”. Only liberals want that, you know, because that’s socialism.
Sin and socialism always go together, especially for bankster-preachers like Robertson.
Ruckus
@Cliff in NH:
Thank you.
I knew there had to be at least one religious leader alive who is not a douchebag.
If I recall, the Dalai Lama does not get much rhythm here in god central? Is that because he is not a hypocritical ass?
Any more?
Cliff in NH
@Ruckus:
dunno much bout religion. I’m a Realist. Motto: “If it’s real, we believe in it!”
but those Buddhists: God in Buddhism
The refutation[1] of the notion of a supreme God or a prime mover is seen as a key distinction between Buddhism and other religions.
Ruckus
@Cliff in NH:
Looks like we are on the same page.
That doesn’t fit in with a few people here, or almost anywhere for that matter. Which is OK with me as long as I don’t have to listen to their BS all the time. All(or My) GOD, all the time is way over the top AFAIC.
Chet
@jrg:
The man’s barely entered his dotage. Give it time.
Nemesis
Wait…Ive been killing babies and turning women into lesbians for years now. That isnt part of the Grand Soros Maoist Marxist Sochulst Stalinist Sharia Plan?
Was there an addendum to the plan I didnt receive?
someofparts
Clearly this guy has never had even one simple, decent, honest conversation with a woman in his entire life. Rocks in the head is an understatement.
asiangrrlMN
@JRon: That jumped out at me, too. So, he’s saying that having children is a burden to women. Therefore, the fact that he wants to force women to have babies means he’s intentionally making the playing field unequal for women. Yes, two can play at this stupid game.
Here’s another thing, Dickhead Robertson–some women don’t want babies regardless of sexual orientation. I know several women (yes, including me) who have no desire for them–and it isn’t at all related to sexuality.
In other words, as usual, Robertson is full of shit. But, you know, I expect that from him. MSNBC is the one who needs to fire his ass, but they won’t because he’s good for ratings. or something.