A busy day for John and I. Hash out everything that we missed.
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A busy day for John and I. Hash out everything that we missed.
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Gump, Esq
John is my real dad.
Paul Wartenberg
Church arsonists caught; House committee votes against the Dubai port deal; more people getting killed/wounded in the Middle East; Wal-Mart is buying bloggers on the cheap; oh and Wonkette’s stopped obsessing over panda cubs.
Ed
That should be “John and me”. If you are just going to phone it in, at least use correct English.
neil
In Bizarro Redstate, they’ve decided that Kos’s opposition is enough to make them happy about a Democrat winning an election somewhere. We are told that the Democrats should elect more people like Henry Cuellar, and that Cuellar should switch to the Republican party… in the same paragraph, no less. (Seriously. Go look.)
Pooh
So that means when Hillary wins in ’08 they’ll be happy, right?
neil
I doubt that Kos will be campaigning against Hillary if she gets the nomination. He was pretty harshly anti-Kerry before the primaries — a side of his losing streak that nobody in that RedState thread had caught on to last I saw.
Here’s another good one: The Marines’ Absentee Collection Center is reopening cold cases of people who deserted during the Vietnam war, supposedly as a way to intimidate currently active soldiers from deserting. Symbolic punishment is pretty cruel and unusual, if you ask me.
Mr Furious
Hmm. What have you guys missed…?
Congress officially handing over their balls to the White House perhaps?
Regular commenter Otto Man lays it out:
Pooh
What are these balls you speak of?
Louise
Ed beat me to it. Using “I” as the object makes Baby Louise cry.
g-rant
Correct? Says who(m)? This ain’t Latin. Throw a conjunction between two pronouns and all bets are off in about every dialect of English.
Pb
Scrutator is scaring me more than usual lately–I know half the nuts over there are spoofing, but… what about the other half? And really, what would someone have to say over there for anyone to notice!
The Other Steve
You mean maybe instapundit.com is a spoof?
ppGaz
Barry Bonds is the world’s biggest asshole.
Pb
But… but… He’s so dreamy! *sigh*
ppGaz
The government of the United States is a spoof.
You know, in case you hadn’t noticed.
scs
Amen. I mean I make errors all the time – but that one really bugs me. Mostly because it’s spreading so much. Remember – substitute “we” and “us” to figure it out.
ppGaz
It’s a busy day for John, and for (me, I).
Not rocket science.
Bob In Pacifica
So what’s the story with the faith-based homeland security unit that just got created by the Prez’s Executive Order? Are we going to pray for port security or pray that the waters don’t top the levees this year. Maybe an organized prayer beam can redirect hurricanes to park over Cuba.
Actually, it’s probably just another ploy to keep the fundies in the fold.
===
In other news, some of you may have recalled a little story that was bruited about here. It was about the California National Guard spying on some little demonstration about a year ago on Mother’s Day. I think the Demos overplayed it.
Apparently, the posse comitatus act doesn’t apply to national guard units not activated by the federal government. I heard a radio show this afternoon with a candidate for state office here in Cali, can’t remember which office he’s running for, but he mentioned that apparently there are now reports of National Guard spy ops in ten different states.
What does anyone here think that that means?
scs
Okay, I want to comment on Keith Olberman on MSNBC. Every now and then I’ll catch his show if I don’t change the channel after Hardball and so many times I see him make O’Reilly his “Worst Person in the World”. Does anyone think it’s cool that he does that all the time? I mean I could understand if O’Reilly got in a car and mowed down a few people, but usually it’s for some minor, silly reason- like the way Bill phrased things or his opinion on something. I mean I just think it’s an obvious tactic to smear your direct competition and very tacky, and I don’t think they should allow that silliness on the air on a major news channel. O’Reilly, in contrast to his nutjob image, never comments on Olberman on his TV show even after all that and shows much more decorum in this case. Of course I know you will all protest, but I had to say it anyway.
Joey
No, O’Reilly is too busy spreading lie after lie and shouting down anybody who disagrees with him, and of course planning boycotts of France and Pepsi. Of course, if you ask him, he’s never told a soul to shut up. Honest. O’Reilly is an asshole of epic proportions, and if somebody wants to call him the worst person in the world, I’m not going to go out of my way to object.
srv
knock knock
Joey
Oh, and O’Reilly doesn’t have a nutjob image. He has a “One of the biggest pricks on the face of the planet” image. And he deserves it. He’s not crazy. He’s just a douchebag. A lot of crazy people are douchebags, but not all douchebags are crazy.
Bob In Pacifica
ppGaz, being a Giants fan, I hope that Bonds has another forty-five non-steroid homers in his bat this year.
And, yes, Bonds is an asshole. He was talented, spoiled and had a chip on his shoulder. Sounds like he was a bit of a bigot too. Just like Bush, except for the “talented” part.
Richard Bottoms
Words fail me.
scs
And that is a problem for whom exactly? People on the left? Pleeease. I get called every name in the book on here, just for expressing rightie views on occasion. That is just pure, you know it- hypocricy.
Joey
Those same people that do that to you don’t invite you here for your comments, so no, it’s not hypocrisy. O’Reilly invites people onto his show, and then screams, yells, cuts off their mic, and tells them to shut up if they disagree with him.
ppGaz
You stupid troll.
Click here
Click here
Click here
Do you ever get anything right, you stupid piece of crap?
scs
sorry- hypocrisy – as usual please excuse all spelling errors/typos. I read the other day that Darwin was a horrible speller too, so I have good company.
Joey
No worries. We knew what you were saying, so it was effective communication, and that’s all that matters :).
scs
Well first of all, he hardly does that all the time. Occasionally he does that, true, but it’s hardly fair to portray that as the whole picture. And secondly, people who come on his show know what to expect. If he wants to yell, so what?
Joey
Doesn’t do it all the time? I watched his show for over a year during the build up to war and the first three months or so of the war itself, and he did it at least twice a week. I avoid his show now, but I doubt very much that he has changed. And just because people going on his show know what to expect doesn’t excuse the behavior, and his being an all-around asshole while acting like everybody else is beign the jerk.
srv
Scrutator is scaring me more than usual lately
I expect it from DougJ’s fan club, but some of the lefties there might just make me convert to neoconservatism. Unless you and demi are writing for them.
Joey
*being, excuse me.
ppGaz
Awaiting moderation for what?
scs
Well it depends what you consider ‘yelling’. If you consider heated talking, “yelling” maybe. But if you take only the really psycho episodes, I’ve only seen that a few times maybe- maybe once every few months. You all obviously don’t have any Italians in your family. They talk like that all the time, so it doesn’t even register with me. Maybe it’s a waspy, leftie elite thing to hate that so much.
CaseyL
“Why weren’t the Confederates Nazis?”
Jesus. Where do they find these people? Did they recruit them straight out of an 8th grade history class?
That’s one of the characteristics of the Bushist Right that never fails to amaze me: the ignorant, shallow banality of their thought processes. Hannah Arendt would probably just nod wisely, banality-of-evil and all that.
But when I think about the sheer genius of the minds that invented this country, that created its Constitution and governmental structure, and then see, not only how little it took to wreck all that careful work, but the fact that the wreckers and their thralls have such tiny trivial minds – it makes me wonder how the US lasted as long as it did.
Man, we must’ve just been damned lucky for 230 years. And, well, luck does run out eventually…
Ancient Purple
So the petition O’Reilly started to return Phil Donahue to his old time slot on MSNBC (thus getting Olbermann off the air) was what exactly?
ppGaz
ppGaz
Click here
and here
finally, here
scs
Okay, I heard about that, but that was never mentioned on TV. I just don’t think large cable news channels are the place for personal rivalries. Niche radio shows maybe. It’s about right time and place.
Joey
Maybe it’s because of comments like that last sentence that you get called all sorts of names by people around here?
By “yelling” I mean being rude beyond belief to his guests and raising his voice in an aggressive manner, above simple heated debate. Do you find it even the slightest bit ironic that you’re defending O’Reilly for being rude to his guests, whom he should be polite to for taking the time to come on his show, but attacking Olberman for attacking a fellow pundit and talk show host, who is considered by most reasonable people to be fair game?
ppGaz
A history of the feud
scs
See, it wasn’t just my imagination. It’s true.
ppGaz
Really?
scs
Okay, no that doesn’t happen that often. Defintiely not twice a week. I’d say once a month tops, depending on what subject he is on to. We need someone to do a media study on this to quantify it.
Joey
Do the specifics really fucking matter? Is it not enough that he’s a dick, period? Or does him only being a complete dick once a month make it better? We don’t need anybody to quantify anything. Anybody with a semi-functional brain can tell you that he’s a asshole.
scs
Besides, I watch Imus every now and then if I wake up early and THAT guy is a bastard. He is constantly calling people fat (like Mariah Carey at the Grammies. she is hardly fat!), Rita Cosby (he called her the chunky girl) and ugly (he called Allen Colmes ugly). THAT is the guy you should all be protesting. He constantly has bile coming out of his mouth. O’Reilly never stoops to gratuitous insults like that. At least he yells at people who deserve it, like people who defend giving child rapists 3 month sentences.
ppGaz
What about your blatant factual error, desribed above, scs?
See my 11:57
EL
If you haven’t been following it, there’s a new wrinkle. callingallwingnuts has started a campaign for people to call in to O’Reilly and mention Keith Olbermann. So far, it’s resulted in O’Reilly hitting the cut off button as soon as he hears Olbermann mentioned, and then he threatens the callers, telling them “we have your phone number, we know where you live.” He’s had “Fox security” call back and accuse the callers of making “harassing” phone calls.
Joey
And now for something completely different….
scs
,Okay, well then I missed that one then. I don’t watch him EVERYDAY. But I think ONE time he mentioned Olberman to Olberman’s 50 is allowed.
ppGaz
So, scs, when you start these little scripted nonsense spamoramas, you don’t have a procedure to follow when you get caught just making things up?
Joey
These things are scripted?! Christ, who’s the schizo doing the writing? Oh, look! A kitty….
scs
Good for him.
ppGaz
The feud goes back at least a year and a half.
scs
ppgaz- you constantly do the same thing, you get stuck in the details at the expense of the bigger picture. I reported my experience. I may have made one error, but the general gist of what I was saying holds. Olberman mentions O’Reilly constantly (in the few times I’ve seen his show I’ve seen him mention O’Reilly constantly) and O’reilly hardly ever mentions Olberman (I watch his show frequently and have never seen him mention him). I am not writing an article for the New York Times here and do not have my assistants do a facts check before I post. I am giving you my experiences, and my ideas, which hold up. Try to broaden your horizon.
Ancient Purple
Because Google is hard!
Google
srv
Is that longer or shorter than the scs-ppGaz feud?
scs
Please- I don’t need to google my experiences. I report them as I see them. The general gist holds.
ppGaz
No, you did not.
This is “reporting” your experience:
“I have not seen O’Reilly mention it on tv.”
This is what you said:
“that was never mentioned on TV.”
That is not “reporting.” It is called “making up.”
You made it up.
Ancient Purple
You said you didn’t have an assistant to check your facts, not confirm your experiences.
Check your facts at http://www.google.com.
This isn’t rocket surgery.
scs
Ppgaz, again, we are having a casual conversation here, this isn’t an AP article. I was fairly confident that he hadn’t, because I do watch his show frequently and hadn’t seen it. Now do I watch it everyday? No. Excuse me for not writing it more clearly then. I have not seen him mention it on TV. Are you happy now? Okay, does that mean my general point does not hold now? No.
ppGaz
But, you didn’t.
You said that O’Reilly didn’t say the thing on tv. But, he did say it. When challenged, you said you “don’t watch every day.” But you didn’t say that you didn’t see it, you said he didn’t say it. You just completely made that up.
Truth is, you have no idea what you are talking about, as usual. You just tried a troll but didn’t take the ten minutes it might have taken to properly research your subject. Plenty of material out there. You just didn’t bother.
But only a short time ago, upthread, you bemoaned a common grammatical mistake. So, common grammatical mistakes bother you, but you can’t take ten minutes to check the facts before starting a subthread?
scs
Also ppGaz, I will need a link to that statement to check if it’s factual first. Please provide it please.
scs
Man you are a little bitch. I didn’t google it because again, I felt that I saw enough of the shows to know that the general point I was making was valid, and it still is, regardless of ONE time Bill may have mentioned him and also that this was a casual conversation and people lives did not hinge on this one fact. Lighten up dude. If you haven’t learned the difference between something important and something unimportant at your age, I don’t know how to help you.
ppGaz
I already posted a link. I know, you “missed” that, too.
ppGaz
Already posted a link to my material.
Did you “miss” that, too?
demimondian
How do you know that Pb and I aren’t the same person?
demimondian
How do you know that Pb and I aren’t the same person?
ppGaz
Um, no, you did not. Your point wasn’t valid, precisely because you do not know the backstory. The whole story IS the backstory.
You did not make a “general point.” You made a very specific assertion that the thing “was never mentioned on tv.”
But, it was, it’s just that you had no way of knowing that, because you didn’t have all the information, and took no pains to check it first.
You ginned up this whole phony topic on the basis on incorrect and/or incomplete information.
Pooh
Has someone already mentioned this here? scs is just like Leonard from Memento. No matter how many times you demonstrate any given fact to her, approximately 13 minutes later you will have to start all over again. It’s ok though, “Who’s on first?” is one of my favorite bits of all time, so I like to play along.
Zifnab
scs, do you or do you not watch “The O’Reily Factor”, the FOX News show normally scheduled from 11-12pm Eastern Standard time, hosted by one Bill O’Reily?
Seriously. “He doesn’t yell.” “He yells sometimes.” “Only maybe once a month tops.” “He doesn’t fight with Olberman.” “Oh, I must have missed that episode.” “And that one.” “But Olberman mentions his name a whole bunch too.”
Perhaps you’ve just been watching MSNBC and only think you’ve been watching FOX.
ppGaz
Um, no, you did not. Your point wasn’t valid, precisely because you do not know the backstory. The whole story IS the backstory.
You did not make a “general point.” You made a very specific assertion that the thing “was never mentioned on tv.”
But, it was, it’s just that you had no way of knowing that, because you didn’t have all the information, and took no pains to check it first.
You ginned up this whole phony topic on the basis on incorrect and/or incomplete information.
Andrew
I bet we could convince Olbermann to credit scs as worst person in the world one night. ppGaz would get “worser” for feeding her, though.
srv
I know y’all know each other, and you know DougJ. One of you admitted as much a few weeks ago. Or maybe that’s Lines. I forget…
I haven’t scrutated Scrutator that much. But I’ve realized trolling is like great sex. It’s hard work, and alot of fun, but after three or four hours it gets kinda numb.
ppGaz
Oh, you poor man.
The Other Steve
scs – I got one word for ya.
Falafel!
scs
This is what I said above that you are getting so triumphant on:
I would think even you are smart enough know that that is just conversational speech here, and ‘never’ is a descriptive word, and not central to the argument. The argument once again, is that Olbermann mentions O’Reilly very often on his show, in contrast to what O’Reilly does.
As from your link this is what Bill said
Okay so far, I don’t see O’Reilly actually mentioning Olbermann’s name, he just uses ‘successor’. If you want to get all anally precise about it like you always do, my statement still hold up.
scs
This is the segment on the show on what Bill actually said again:
Come on, ppgaz, THAT is the best you can do? That is not even mentioning Olbermann’s name. I hardly think that even counts as “commenting on Olbermann” as it was more about Phil Donahue.
I think you owe a correction for your shoddy research.
Pooh
Scs – ppGaz is DougJ. “Don’t trust his lies”
scs
First of all, if I heard that, which I don’t remember, I probably didn’t even realize Bill was talking about Olbermann, because I wasn’t aware of what time slot Donahue held previously. If I had to guess, I was under the impression Donahue had had the 9:00 time slot. So I didn’t know who his “successor” was. I will have to make sure Donahue only held the 8:00 pm slot now to check this.
scs
Donahue’s actual successor was Lester Holt for a while, whose show expanded to two hours to fill the 8:00 pm slot after Donahue left. Then Olbermann got it later. Lester Holt is still on MSNBC, no?
Zifnab
Didn’t Donahue host one of those shitty Ricki Lake style “My wife is a man who has sex with his sister’s horse” white trash daytime TV shows?
I can only imagine what his MSNBC days must have been like. Must have been hard hitting stuff on par with Geraldo and E!
scs
Notice ppgaz’s silence on this topic now? Not so much fun anymore Gaz, right?
Pooh
Zifnab
See, that’s the problem with America. Cable TV. For every John Stewart there’s a dozen or more cable news rednecks. For every Dave Chappel show, a marathon of Sci-Fi original movies. And the scary shit is that people actually watch this stuff.
You want to know what’s wrong with America?
Not abortion or gays
Not terrorists or christians on the march
It’s the god damn Home Shopping Network. Mr Falafel has got nothing on a network who’s entire purpose is to waste your time and suck your money. Everything else is just a symptom of the root cause. Rampant, mindleeching, soulless, corporate capitalism in the worst sense of the word.
Perhaps the collapse of the American economy isn’t such a bad thing. Sure being reduced to the economy of Kenya may result in the loss of some basic creature pleasures, but at least we won’t have the money to support all the crap.
scs
Go man, go!
Ancient Purple
Heaven forbid you mean what you say and say what you mean.
Richard Bottoms
Just wanted to thank ypu current Republicans and you recently, supposed independents who put George Bush back in office for South Dakaota and the rest of the states about to pass laws outlawing abortion.
Glad to know that if Terri Hatcher’s uncle had waited just bit longer until she was old enough to get pregnant, you are just fine with her having his child.
Or at least until recently you told yourself your party would never really go this far.
Bastards.
scs
Well in real life, I regret to say I sometimes talk like a Valley Girl. I say things like, “he never calls me” or “she’s totally crazy!”, not actually meaning of course that he ‘never’ calls me or that she is actually crazy- just that he rarely calls me or that she’s a little weird. That’s what casual conversations between friends are people. – and you know I consider every single one of you my friends, right?
Perry Como
Wait, I’m DougJ.
scs
We know.
Perry Como
Okay, scs found me out. I’m DougJ. I actually spoof as a number of people here[0]. Anyone that criticizes the administration? That’s me.
As a welfare queen, I’m able to pop out criminal babies and troll the the internets at the same time. Luckily *your* tax dollars are paying for my exploits. Otherwise I might have to get a job instead of relying on socialists for my well being.
Congrats scs. You have uncovered the vast DougJ conspiracy.
[0] – I don’t, and my email address actually works, so JC or Tim F. can email if you want to confirm
Perry Como
DougJ says:
(feed the paranoia)
This sucks::
Jim Allen
Don’t get too upset at Tim F.’s grammar lapses. From John Cole’s “A Turning Point” post we get:
Yes, folks, the Democrats are have a message or a plan.
Apparently, our children is learning.
The Other Steve
That’s not quite fair. Donahue was more like Oprah. It wasn’t trashy like Ricki Lake, but actually somewhat serious.
The Other Steve
Somehow I doubt the religious whackadoos have much Christian love for Ms. Hatcher. She is, after all, one of those evil desperate housewives.
Pb
Heh. O’Reilly doesn’t like to say Olbermann’s name, because the last time he tried to, he mispronounced it. In fact, he’s so sensitive about this that when a caller to O’Reilly’s radio show mentioned Olbermann recently, (in regard to the much-publicized feud that O’Reilly was recently stirring up on his program/soapbox) he was personally cut off and threatened by O’Reilly, and got a call from ‘Fox Security’.
Now, how do I know all this spectacular information? Well, I watch Countdown from time to time, for one–it’s a great show, if you want to actually stay informed! Otherwise, you might come away with all sorts of misconceptions about Olbermann and MS-NBC, and then really go off the deep end and start wondering about why an unknown nutty professor and a Californian peace activist are secretly running the Democratic party from an undisclosed location…
As for Keith’s Worst Person in the World schtick–it’s always funny, and often hilarious, although it may require a sense of humor–maybe even a sense of irony–from time to time. That’s the sort of thing that your average O’Reilly watcher might not get at first blush, but hang in there folks, there’s hope yet! I recommend staying off the O’Reilly for a week and switching to Olbermann–you could learn all sorts of things!
Ancient Purple
All well and good, if you knew the difference between plain language and idioms. But you don’t, so I will leave it at that.
Krista
Man, am I glad I missed that whole ppGaz – scs back and forth…
Krista
God love her, she says in one post how we’re always attacking her, but then says she considers every single one of us her friends. (And by saying “every single one”, that automatically includes ppGaz.)
A bit of a masochist, me thinky.
ppGaz
Uh, no, it has nothing to do with it. My challenge to you was based on the Feb 23 show. I quoted you directly more than once, surely you can find your own words without my help?
Once again, you are busted, caught just making shit up.
You said A, when B was true. But the point is, you had no way of knowing, yet said it anyway. What’s more, you could easily have checked the facts, but failed to do so.
You said A, because A tended to support your bogus argument. Your whole point was baloney from the first word. You didn’t know anything about the O’Reilly-Olbermann feud, but still went ahead and formed an “opinion” and then tried to leverage that opinion into a topic here.
There’s no law against being a stupid, childish troll, scs. It’s the constant pretending to be something else that makes you so tiresome.
Otto Man
Unlike Bill O’Reilly, who hosted “Inside Edition” for six years. In case you’ve forgotten:
Lines
Ah, this thread resembled nothing more than slamming one’s testicles in a door.
Don’t you hate it when that happens, scs?
Krista
Lines – oh honey, I’m female and seeing that in writing made me cringe in sympathy. I bet every guy reading that reflexively cupped themselves…
srv
What was it someone once said? “Get a
roomthread already!”Jim Allen
While I’m sure that would be quite painful, I’m having some difficulty imagining any circumstance where this might occur. I would think you’d have to be a Cirque du Soleil performer just to get into position.
Krista
Jim, either that, or a raging case of elephantiasis.
Jim Allen
Ok, Krista, now that caused some reflexive cupping!
Mac Buckets
Seriously, Olbermann v. O’Reilly in an asshole-off would be a million-round draw. The Sports Mustache and Phone Perv should be forced to have a chainsaw fight in a very small cage. Who would win? The American public.
scs
Krista, I HOPE you are not being serious here. You are either an idiot or a master of sarcasm.
scs
God, ppgaz, you are a demonic retard. Just admit the goaddamn facts that you were wrong and stop being such a psychopath. PLEASE read the actual quote of what O’Reilly said on his show. He DIDN’T EVEN SAY OLBERMANNS’S NAME.
In fact, there is no real way to know if he doesn’t actually mean Lester Holt, who was the actual next host after Donahue. I said “O’Reilly never commented on Olbermann” above. And from what you provided to me, he still never actully commented on “Olbermann”, so I am technically right and you are still wrong but you are too stupid to admit it. Check your goddamn facts first and practice what you preach, BTK Jr.! I don’t mind you being an asshole, but an asshole who never has anything legitimate to say is a double burden. And by the way, with a personality like yours, I am positive you have to have a criminal record. We need a background check here.
scs
ppgaz, did you read the actual transcipt of the show before you became your usual ass? No. I doubt it, or you would have seen that what was said hardly counts as a mention. Practice whatyou fucking preach BTK, or get off this page.
scs
Krista, hon, I will answer it for you. I’m going to go with idiot.
scs
You know, I think Krista and ppgaz would make a perfect couple. He’s a wife abusing psycho control freak type and she’s kind of a simpleton dolt follower type who would love the mind control. They would match perfectly. Too bad, ppgaz is already married Krista- you missed your chance.
scs
ppgaz, I guess YOU know what you are talking about here? I don’t know ANYTHING about the feud? Didn’t you mean to say I don’t know EVERYTHING about the feud? By saying I don’t know anything about the feud, since you are a fan of precise language it seems, you are implying that you know that I don’t watch the O’Reilly’s show frequently. And how would you know this? Do you stand in my room and watch what I watch on TV? (Oh god, horrors.)
So let me get it straight, you are trying to make a point that I don’t know ANYTHING about the O’Reilly/Olbermann feud, yet you exaggerate and get the whole thing wrong, without having complete knowledge of it. Let me quote a very wise write here:
“You said A, because A tended to support your bogus argument. Your whole point was baloney from the first word.”
You said I don’t know ANYTHING about the feud because it supported your bogus argument, even though you already knew I knew something about it. I’m sorry, ppgaz, but your whole argument was balony from your first word.
Practice what you preach my man, practice what you preach.
Krista
Against my better judgement, I’m going to respond to what you were saying.
As far as whether I was being sarcastic, or being an idiot, it actually WAS the latter, to a degree. I’m a bit under the weather, and missed your sarcasm when you said “That’s what casual conversations between friends are people. – and you know I consider every single one of you my friends, right?” Of course, it came to me immediately afterwards, but I didn’t get a chance to mention that, and then wound up forgetting about it.
Seeing as I barely contributed to the argument between you and ppGaz (and only did once it appeared to be pretty well over), I’m not quite certain why you’ve dedicated several posts towards bashing me. Perhaps you’re still peeved about how I lost my temper with you a couple of weeks ago? If so, I would like to apologize again. I should not have written what I did. I was annoyed with you, but should have just left the thread instead of leaping into the fray and attacking you personally.
At any rate, think of me what you like. If it suits you to think of me as a “simpleton dolt follower type”, then I won’t try to disabuse you of that notion. I still look forward to engaging in debate with you, and will do my best to refrain from personal attacks. I only ask that you extend me that same courtesy.
scs
Well to be honest I kind of do. And that’s because you try to portray yourself as this nice, motherly type person, who tries to stay above into the controversy, but then you support people like ppgaz and DougJ whose large purpose on here is to insult and abuse. You try to form some sort of solidarity movement with them, in large part because I think you subconsciously gravitate to where you think the “strength” is, or where the group is, and you are not perceptive enough to think outside that box and not be fooled. That’s why I consider you a follower. Sorry if I offend you, but you started a trend of honesty with me and I will answer in kind.
Lines
Thats not honest, it’s a pathetic attempt to catagorize someone and belittle their position while not having one of your own.
You draw the insults, scs, because your arguments are so blindingly ignorant and missing of any rational thought that its impossible to answer you without lowering onself to a position of utter debasement. You don’t even appear to understand many of the rudamentary positions of most of the posters, and your assumptions about their posts show that.
Oh, wait, I’m supposed to be DougJ:
We’ve turned the corner on adolescent drinking by girls like scs.
You go into the debate with the conservative whackjob bimbo that you have, not the conservative whackjob bimbo you’d like to have.
scs
Another sexist comment by a another “enlightened Democract.” And you wonder why people consider many Liberals hypocrites? DougJ, you might fool people like Krista, but you don’t fool me. I really think you have mental problems witht the way you feel the need to mask you aggressive posts under fake personas. You need therapy my man. Maybe you and ppgaz can go together.
scs
Or maybe you don’t answer because you can’t actually hold a valid argument; you find it easier and more enjoyable to berate and abuse. I’m still waiting for a real debate…
Krista
Fair enough. Mind you, part of the reason I tend to agree with people like ppGaz and DougJ is because I actually agree with their left-wing politics. My own politics are rather left-wing. Many people on this site are left-wing. Just because I do not share your viewpoints, that does not mean that I lack perception, or am easily fooled. My opinions are not newly formed, and my overall philosophy has been in place for many years now.
I could go to a website that is populated much more heavily by right-wingers, and enjoy swimming against the stream like you do, but I’ve been on this site for awhile now, and enjoy the conversations on here, as well as the various personalities. It’s entertainment for me, nothing more, nothing less.
I don’t try to portray myself in any particular fashion — what you see on here is pretty much the real me. I do try to usually be diplomatic, and I do try to find common ground with people, if possible.
At any rate, you seem to have made up your mind about me, and that’s your prerogative. I’m not so insecure that I’m going to be wounded by one stranger’s perception of me. As I mentioned before, I look forward to engaging you in debate upon occasion.
Lines
No scs, I find that debating you would be equivalent to trying to teach my 7 year old about Schroedinger’s Cat. He’s not going to be able to understand the quantum physics of the problem, but he’s going to be upset that the theoretical cat died.
scs
Krista, I appreciate your calm response here today. However, I think it will be a while before I attempt to engage in any debate with you. I tried to present my point of view last time with you, probably the only time I tried to with you, and you basically flipped your lid. So I’m a little wary of getting in debates with you now, as I don’t see the point of it. However, I wish you well in your posts here, and as is my usual style, I will try to live and let live here, if people don’t treat me unfairly. My main focus is to debate, not get involved in junior high lunchroom politics and demonize my policatal opposites as seems to be the motive of some on here. So happy posting.
scs
Would you STOP with the 7, 8, 12 ‘year old’ references? It’s so obvious. If you’re going to be incognito, at least try to do it well.
Perry Como
scs, if you wanted real debate you could have had it back here. Instead you want to stamp your feet and hold your breath while feeding into paranoid delusions.
btw, 75% of the posts in this thread were written by DougJ. Mwuhahahahaha.
Lines
Wow, its like you went stupid to the n’th degree with your response to me, scs.
Do you get tired of people complaining when you enter a room “did it just get stupiderer in here?”
Lines
And just because I feel guilty for insulting you again, I’ll try to explain my point:
I didn’t call you a 7 year old. I said that debating you is like trying to….
If I had said “trying to ride a donkey through a sewage pipe” would you have thought I was calling you a donkey or a sewage diver?
FSM help me, I have no idea why the hell I try to engage you at all.
scs
I get that DougJ. What I meant was that you constantly use that same phrase of “a 7 year old child” or “a 8 year old child” across many of your personas. It’s obvious.
And by the way, you are so revealing yourself even more here as well. I criticise DougJ, and lo and behold, Lines, (who has NO relationship to DougJ right?), comes instantly to defend him. Hmmmm. Why is that? And then Perry shows up. Hmmmm. Why is that? And then Perry and Lines post at the EXACT same time. Well gosh, that just proves they are different people! There’s no way DougJ could have access to TWO computers. That’s like having two TV sets, like they said in Back to the Future – no one has that!
Again, you’re not half as clever as you think.
Lines
Holy hell this is hilarious. You’re like an idiot-bot that just replies with inane useless rhetoric while randomly throwing in a paranoid rant every now and then.
scs
No DougJ, you’re hilarious. Actually, not really any more. Now you’re just tired and boring.
Lines
You can’t even convince a single person on this entire blog that I’m DougJ, yet you believe that you have debate skills, don’t you?
What is it really like being that dumb? Do you forget your name very often? Do you sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and find yourself slapping yourself silly for being so stupid?
scs
I’m sure some believe it, some don’t and probably most don’t care.
Honestly, DougJ, no one is as insulting in an adolescent way as you. You write like a 13 year old, if you want to know. Very crude sentences, no depth in your analysis, just a reliance on adolescent insults. Only a man with an adolescent mind would get enough pleasure out of his little “tricks” for so long as you do. Do you play Dungeons and Dragons perchance?
Lines
No, I’m even lowering my insults down to your level, so you can understand them, scs.
And please stop calling me DougJ, you’re making yourself look even worse than you already do.
Perry Como
Awesome. I see a mental breakdown in your future scs. The vast DougJ conspiracy is out to get you.
ppGaz
Shorter you: Blah, blah, blah.
Yes, I said you didn’t know anything about the feud, because, as it turns out, you didn’t know anything about the feud. One only need read your posts which are preserved here for posterity, to find that out.
Not surprising to me that you’d confuse not knowing anything with not knowing everything. See, in the fact-based world, one only has to be short a few facts to be completely misinformed. Especially when the missing facts are the only ones that count.
But you’ll figure that out when and if you get moved along to the fifth grade. It’s all part of your social studies grade.
Besides, didn’t your parents block the O’Reilly show on your tv set? You aren’t supposed to be watching that stuff.
No tv until you finish your homework.
scs
Exactly, and when you say I don’t know ANYTHING- that’s what it should mean – that I know NOTHING – which was obviously untrue. You are caught in your own lies and mistakes and you are too chicken to admit it.
Now doesn’t your old age folks home limit your time on the internet so that you don’t aggravate your Alzheimers? Time to take your meds and get back in your hospital bed Gaz, before you disturb the other patients.
ppGaz
Maybe it’s all I can do to peck out these messages using a stick clenched in my teeth, but I’m still able to stay ahead of you.
Krista
ppGaz – not your teeth, your dentures. Stay in character, man.
tzs
SCS, if you don’t want to be taken as a whoopsy dingbat, please don’t post like a whoopsy dingbat.
We appreciate good arguments. And information. And good snark. What we don’t appreciate is someone who posts like a befuddled flake. Even I, who have managed to slog through jurists’ arguments in medieval Latin, can’t decipher some of your paragraphs. And no, we don’t appreciate having to spoon-feed you data that you should have looked up before hand. Google is there, and if you are careful, it can be your friend. Please do your research before quoting any data. Otherwise, it just wastes our time, especially since we seem to keep pulling out the same old material over and over again.
By the way, does anyone have an idea how old SCS is anyway?
Perry Como
tzs Says:
DougJ, stop teasing scs.
ppGaz
Thirteen.
Krista
Seeing as we all really know that scs is DougJ, then technically, she’s ageless.
demimondian
If everyone here is DougJ, and DougJ is ageless than Krista has been instantly transformed into a woman of ageless beauty. I could see why that would be an attractive thesis for almost anyone.
Of course, since I am neither ageless, nor beautiful, nor, frankly, a woman, I cannot be Krista. By transitivity of equality, that implies that I cannot be DougJ, from which one can directly conclude that I am not writing this…
MatthewDC
I am new to this blog, but I have to ask, who are you people? This blog seems to be more of a waste of time than anything. John Cole makes some good points but these comments are ridiculous. You people should all grow up.
dylan
Since everybody is a damn impostor, or a handle of some impostor or a cousin of somebody who posted on a similar handle of an impostor: can we agree on one thing?
SCS?
Make a charge…… Olberman is a nutjob… and concurrently.. O’Reily is misunderstood.
Please and please stand by and defend your charge!
Please stop:
1) Boring this site with this argument (or some variation of): Why must you be so mean to me?
follow it up with
2) I couldn’t google it
3) I’m too busy
4) I’m too busy typing lame and empty retorts
5) I think you are stalking me.
Please stop typing sentences like this:
Exactly, and when you say I don’t know ANYTHING- that’s what it should mean – that I know NOTHING – which was obviously untrue.
Wow. It is untrue.
Cuz you said it was.
Cuz it was obviously so.
OOOPS. we must be having a casual conversation.
Who am I? BTK?
You are boring and an embarrasment to the written word…
scs
DougJ get a life please!
Lines
We go into spoofing with the life we have, not the life we wish to have.
scs
Okay DougJ, I will explain why I know it’s you – for the benefit of people like Krista who get all upset by the notion I am bringing up here.
Although I post fairly regularly, I do not post all day and every day and in many segments. Usually I post every other day or so at specific times, one of which is usually late at night, and usually in one thread at a time. I am not ppgaz for example who can be found on every thread at all times prety much. And also DougJ, who, even if you just accept the DougJ name as his, is found at all times of the day on all different threads. So those two are “regulars” shall we say. And there is really not THAT many regulars on here when you examine it. I would guess maybe a handful. So the chance of me posting often at the same time in the same thread regularly as someone else is pretty slim, actually, unless they are one of these regulars.
However, most people do not give a shit about personal arguments that other people are having on the net, and especially people they don’t “know”. If they are not regular posters, chances are if they are going to make the effort to post something, it’s because they really want to make a valid point about some issue they just read about. The percentage of people who will just pop up out of the blue and then make strident personal comments on someone they don’t have any signifigant personal interaction with or history with, is slim. I’m not saying it never happens, but it is probably rare. And anyone who may be inclined to do this, will probably limit their comment to a short witty remark or a one line wry observation. It is not an average person who will bother to rant and rave in whole long paragraphs about some poster having a personal argument with other people who he/she does’t even “know”.
And not only that, but it is also very coincidental that this mystery raver will rant and rave in the very same sentence style that our friend DougJ uses. Again, short crude sentences, insanely aggressive, lots of 13-year old insults. So the chance of multiple people just popping up in this context AND having your same writing style is practically nill. That’s how I know it’s you. So everytime you pop up like this with another one of your ids from your vast arsenal, I just want you to know you are blowing another good ID because you are calling yourself out. So it’s not going to work on me. And most other people don’t realy give a shit anyway. So it’s all a waste of time for you DougJ. But, hey whatever, if that’s what you need to do to make yourself feel better about yourself, and make you feel like you “won” the argument, then have at it I guess. But I still recommend therapy.
scs
By the way DougJ, was that you in the pic? could it be Douglas JAMES Hathaway perchance? I kind of doubt it though, because as often as you are on here, I doubt you’d even have time to bike.
Lines
Havn’t we turned the corner on insanely aggressive 13-year old insults?
Besides, does a 13 year old insult really pack the punch I’m looking for? I think not.
Lines
You know, scs, despite your paranoid rantings, I still love you.
Unlike most people, I find your cyber-stalking to be a refreshive bolster to my already over-inflated ego.
scs
I’m sure that’s true, that you do this for the thrill of the game and the thrill of others speculating who you are. Not to get carried away with similes here, but you kind of have this in common with a serial killer You love not only to abuse innocent people so that you can feel more powerful, but you also love the thrill that you are “getting away” with it. People who act this way are usually somewhat intelligent, for instance a study in math would fit. And they love to taunt their victims and the public with clues, trying to reassure themselves that you are more much clever than they are. So this obession you have is a mild form of a more serious disease. I know this because I’ve seen a lot ‘Dark Heart, Iron Hands’ latenight, and you fit the profile! Man I can psychoanalyse everyone here! But I must admit DougJ, I come here to post to see what many people have to say. Not just to come here and play DougJ’s little game. So if John won’t control his page better, and as this is getting pretty tiresome, what’s really the point of posting here. There has to be a site with some more rational people on it.
Lines
Can the real DougJ please stand up
please stand up
please stand up.
Maybe DougJ is a state of mind, not unlike that of a serial killer or bass guitarist.
Lines
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ppGaz
Do you ever, ever, get anything right?
You will find that I make significantly multiple posts (a conversation, with followups) to probably fewer than 40% of the threads on this blog, maybe even less than 30%.
I’d reckon that I make no posts at all to the the majority of threads on this blog, over the last year.
Survey the threads on the current active list and tell me what you find.
If you don’t find me on every active thread right now, then YOU NEVER POST HERE AGAIN, or else admit that you never have any idea what the FUCK you are talking about. Fair?
I have fucking had it with you and your made-up bullshit.
scs
Damn. Then how come I am so unlucky to have your bitch postings in every thread I ever post in? What are the odds?
scs
I bet you were the kind of husband who yelled that to his submissive wife if the cans were not all turned the same way in the cupboard, or his dinner was a little bit lukewarm when he came home from his janitor job at the airport. Or remember BTK, who was a city compliance officer in his day job, who used to go around with a measuring tape and write out tickets if the grass was a millimeter over the limit? It’s called an abusive personality. People who exaggerate minor issues in order to exert control and abuse. Again, we need a background check. You know, the internet attracts some weird people, so I wouldn’t be surprised at anything on it. Especially a guy like you who spends his whole day on here to rant at strangers so that he feels more pwerful than he does in his real life.
ppGaz
How many posts did I make here today? This week?
You?
Shut the FUCK up, you little twit.
demimondian
Oh, for heaven’s sake. Stormy, where are you? At least when you and ppG went after one another, it was amusing.
Skip
Blood Libel Department:
n a luncheon speech on March 6, Israel’s Ambassador to the United Nations Dan Gillerman entertained the AIPAC crowd with what the Washington Post described as “straight talk,” including this high-minded sentiment:
“While it may be true – and probably is – that not all Muslims are terrorists, it also happens to be true that nearly all terrorists are Muslim.”
Probably?
Ben Thurdunthat
This happened at UMasss Amherst on March 9, 2006:
The Daily Collegian published a story in which an obscure little group called “Nontraditional Students Association” claimed that a commuter student was under great hardship having to sleep in her car in the cold weather.
I am very familiar with that bizarre little group from 30 years ago. They used to follow people around like puppy dogs, trying to get us to sign onto whatever the pity-party of the moment was. They especially liked VVAW members. I laughed when I saw the story and saw that after 30 years, nothing has changed! They followed every “commuter” student around, just looking for recruits to some cause so vague no one could figure out what it was.
Now I think I have figured it out.
The girl they named in the story APPEARED TO BE the daughter of the woman who is trying to get the Lenox 7 case exposed and the bribery and graft involved with it, but she was only a random distant relative with the same last name, the same age, and vaguely similar family resemblance.
I know this because I noticed the name and was concerned enough to call the Amherst police and the Campus police and warn them that the bizarre little story was exposing this girl’s name and location and apparent vulnerability to any predators on the internet. I asked that they give her my phone number and she tell me if she needs anything.
She called, and I spoke with her and her mother. A few minutes later I went to look up the story, but they had deleted it from the page, fortunately before it could be picked up in the search engines. Because the Daily Collegian knew the story was a falsification that was needlessly exposing a young woman to predators, orr otherwise they’d have stood their ground as “free press”, wouldn’t they?.
Why had they published it in the first place? And did the editor know the circumsatnces under which the “reporter” wrote it? One can only wonder.
The young lady and her mother are both perfectly happy in their own house in another town, and certainly not “poor”. She said that what had happened was a “student reporter” had told her she was writing an assignment for a class, and she needed to interview three people. So this young lady agreed to help.
The “student reporter” then asked questions about how the cold weather affects commuters, and she had said she does have to think about the weather when she needs to take a nap in her car between classes two or three times a week.
She is not “sleeping in her car”, like a homeless person! She also said she did not really understand at the time that the Daily Collegian was involved because she thought she was helping a fellow student with a class assignment.
Now the light dawns on what the “cause” of that weird little cult is: That group, Nontraditional Students Association, was trying to do similar things thirty years ago when Kerry’s VVAW was all over the campuses. I was there, in fact I was IN it, married to a VVAW member.
The Daily Collegian story wasn’t even “fresh”. According to the girl interviewed, it had been done last Fall, and she had forgotten about it. It had been done when Kerry supporter and Dean campaigner James Matteau received the award preparing his approach to a nice FEMA spot in 2008.
The girl has the same last name as the woman who has posted stories about James Matteau’s relationship to the men who drowned two others in Laurel Lake in Lee, Massachusetts over 25 years ago, the “Lenox 7” trial. She is a distant relative and the woman has a daughter the same age.
The “Nontraditional Students” bizarre little cult-like activity results in a story that, were it about the daughter of the whistle-blower, would have exposed that girl to harm. I wonder if they get some kind of bounty, sitting on files full of vaguely embarrassing or weird stories about young people and scanning the data-base for the children of whistle-blowers? Kind of like domain-squatters who register private names in the hopes that someday someone will pay hard cash for the dot-com?
I wonder if they have a price list for what kinds of subtle damage they can do on behalf of a worried corrupt official?
Because this girls says she has already had to assure her “mentor” among others that she is fine, and that certainly is not a good thing to have to be doing if you are getting into the job interview circuit with a brand-new college degree! “Pity parties” don’t make for success!
“Nontraditional Students” apparently thought they had the daughter of James Matteau’s accuser in their sights.
That is how the Kerry Kamp works, and now we see who some of the Kampers are!!!!!!!!
Ben Thurdunthat
I don’t know why my post shows 2 picture icons. I hit the exclamation point about four times. Ah, gremlins: gotta love’em.