Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The desire to stay informed is directly at odds with the need to not be constantly enraged.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

If you voted for Trump, you don’t get to speak about ethics, morals, or rule of law.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Republican also-rans: four mules fighting over a turnip.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

It’s pointless to bring up problems that can only be solved with a time machine.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

An almost top 10,000 blog!

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

They want us to be overwhelmed and exhausted. Focus. Resist. Oppose.

Fundamental belief of white supremacy: white people are presumed innocent, minorities are presumed guilty.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

I really should read my own blog.

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It’s Day 4 of the actual trial!  Day 8, if you include jury selection.

Best sources of live blogging that I have found.  Court resumes at 9:30 am.

Anna Bower at Lawfare – Live Blogging on Twitter 

Josh Kovensky at TPM – Live Blogging    (no live blogging at TPM today)

Mark Sumner at Daily Kos – Live Blogging    (no live blogging at Daily Kos today)

TRANSCRIPTS OF NY CASES AVAILABLE THE NEXT DAY   Link

Emotional support pup and kitty for the occasion.

Trump Trial: NY Election Interference Case, Day 1

I’m still interested in the trial, so I’ll put this up again today, but think of it as a general open thread, too.

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  5. 5.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Reposted from below: I would offer a couple of caveats about yesterday’s Court hearing. One, you can’t always tell how a case is going to turn out from the oral arguments. Two, most hot takes, even those of experts, are crap.

  7. 7.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Frank Wilhoit: Many oral arguments are shit shows.  At all appellate levels.  Some are boring because the judges have all the info they need in the briefs and the hearing is effectively pro forma.  Others are contentious because the judges have all the info they need in the briefs so they entertain themselves by hazing counsel.  Sometimes, they actually have a point or two that they want to explore.  Sometimes they feature a jurist expressing his almost sexual need to have an American Franco.

  12. 12.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @narya: Note:  I am not saying they won’t do something horrible.  Given the make up of the Court that is always a possibility.

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    @Omnes Omnibus: True, but I’ll offer another caveat: you don’t have to be a doomer, pessimist, enemy of hope, etc., to find that hearing alarming as hell. At the very least the corrupt court seems determined to help Trump run out the clock.

  17. 17.

    schrodingers_cat

    This court has been bought and paid for by the Federalist Society. It is another arm of the Republican hydra. My expectations from them are low. I expect the worst from them

    There is really no point in melting into a puddle everytime they do something awful. I was under no illusions that Alito would be terrible right when he was confirmed. JGC was more upset at Kennedy’s questioning during the hearings.

    The only solution to Republican induced mayhem is to vote D and convince anyone who will listen to vote D. Something our blogfather eventually learned thank God.

  21. 21.

    NotMax

    @Betty Cracker

    Whatever the outcome (am expecting 6-3, although not totally ruling out 7-2) the narrowness of the decision will slice the ham so thin you could read a phone book through it.

  22. 22.

    Cacti

    Spoiler:

    He won’t be convicted.  It only takes one cultist for a hung jury.

    The US criminal justice system exists to protect the powerful, not hold them accountable.  That’s for the rest of us little people.

  24. 24.

    hueyplong

    @Baud: Yes, as a matter of common sense you’d think that this corrupt court would hesitate to deliver totalitarian powers to Dark Brandon.

    If they did, he could have them shot the next day, and you could fashion an argument that he probably should.

  29. 29.

    Ken

    It’s Day 4 of the actual trial!  Day 8, if you include jury selection.

    I had a sudden flashback to 1999/2000 and the arguments about when the century ends….

  31. 31.

    WaterGirl

    @schrodingers_cat: That’s just not true on BJ.  Some boomers DOOMERS for sure, but may are not.

    Maybe just call out the boomers DOOMERS with that.  But not all of us!

    Way too broad a brush.

    edit: fucking autocorrect!

  32. 32.

    LAO

    Anyone else enjoying the fact that Howard Stern landed a one on one interview with President Biden? Heads are exploding at the NYT.

  35. 35.

    Elizabelle

    @LAO:  Howard can be a very astute interviewer, and is likely smarter and more principled than any of the trained monkeys on the FTF NY Times political desk.

    Incredible chance for outreach.

  36. 36.

    schrodingers_cat

    @WaterGirl:

    Not everyone here for sure, but way too many IMHO. As they say on Twitter, if it doesn’t apply let it fly.

    I don’t necessarily thinks its only the boomers.
    FPer whose mantra is Hope is not a strategy is not a boomer.

  37. 37.

    Layer8Problem

    @eclare:  There have been quite a number of conservatives, many of the traditionalist Catholic persuasion, who regard Francisco Franco’s Falangist Spain as a terrific example of how to run a government.  William F. Buckley back in the day certainly did.  Leonard Leo’s Federalist Society people and the Opus Dei wing of our Supreme Court continue the fight for putting God and hard repression where they think it should be.

  38. 38.

    Kay

    @LAO:

    Oh, I’m glad. I was hoping he would go around them. I don’t know a thing about Howard Stern but I like him for defending “wokeness” (tolerance for diversity) when the whole pack of media/comic ninnies were all attacking it. Seems like he doesn’t follow the crowd.

  39. 39.

    trollhattan

    @Baud: Make it soon.

    Handsome Brandon removes three SCOTUS justices, seven senators, twenty congresscritters.

    Progress!

  40. 40.

    PAM Dirac

    @hueyplong:

    Yes, as a matter of common sense you’d think that this corrupt court would hesitate to deliver totalitarian powers to Dark Brandon.

    I think it will be pretty easy for this court. The immunity is only for official acts. In the incredibly wise and final view of the court, anything done by a D president is not an official act, while anything done by the proper R president is an official act.

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    @Kay: ​
    There are clips of Trump and Stern discussing Ivanka’s hotness during one of many Trump appearances on his show. So potential irony interview seems equal parts awesome and risky.

    As shoving it under the NYT’s nose while sternly (heh) commanding “BAD dog” it’s frickin’ awesome. New Yorkers will get it.

  43. 43.

    Anyway

    @Kay: Howard is a good interviewer and not reflexively anti-Dem as many of the lamestream media journamalists. Will definitely check it out.

  45. 45.

    lowtechcyclist

    The Hill’s summary:

    Stern asked Biden questions centered on his life, including meeting his first wife, playing football and stories about his stutter growing up. He also spoke of his time in law school, in which he called himself a “jerk” for not taking the schooling seriously, including ditching textbooks.

    Biden is also recounting the loss of his first wife as well as meeting first lady Jill Biden. Stern has repeatedly praised Biden’s family, calling them “amazing,” when speaking about how Biden’s family members stepped in following his first wife’s death.

    Stern reportedly sought an interview with Biden during the 2020 campaign, but it never came together. Former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton sat down with Stern in 2019 for an interview.

    Stern had in the past been friendly with former President Trump but has since become an outspoken critic of the former president.

    The shock jock gained popularity through his nationally syndicated radio show, which moved to SiriusXM in 2006. Biden aides quickly promoted the interview on Friday morning, and the president’s team has stressed that they will seek to meet voters where they are through nontraditional avenues.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    @trollhattan:

    Oh, no. But we knew Donald Trump was gross and hateful about 1. women, 2. his daughter. I don’t think I have to worry about Biden doing that. I’m just glad there’s someone other around besides Joe Rogan – the new Rush Limbaugh.

    It’s just really refreshing to read someone say “I’m woke- what of it?” A TRULY bold opinion.

  48. 48.

    WaterGirl

    @Omnes Omnibus: @Ruviana: @schrodingers_cat: @Jackie:   DOOMERS!

    Fucking autocorrect.

    edit: I posted my comment, then ate my breakfast.  So I didn’t catch the autocorrect until breakfast was over.

    edit 2: No one on BJ has ever heard me refer to any age group, gen z, gen x, boomers, etc.  Unless I was pushing back on someone else.  I hate phrasing that paints with too broad a brush, and I absolutely hate the whole BOOMER thing.

  49. 49.

    Jackie

    An aside; apparently TIFG spend his campaign day (Wed) playing golf. And, instead of campaigning this weekend, he’s holding a birthday party bash for Mrs TIFG.

    Maybe the rumors that his lawyers don’t want him campaigning – and quite possibly breaking his Gag orders – is true!

  52. 52.

    Ken

    @hueyplong: If they did, he could have them shot the next day, and you could fashion an argument that he probably should.

    “Pour encourager les autres” would IMO be a pretty good argument.

    If shooting them seems too extreme, I would also accept immuring them in a cell and continuously playing the “Devil Speech” from A Man For All Seasons.

  54. 54.

    Scout211

    This makes me smile: NBC

    Bove keeps referring to Trump as “President Trump” when he is discussing periods when Trump was not in office.

    The DA’s office keeps objecting, and Merchan is sustaining those objections, deflating the defense’s efforts to inflate Trump.

  57. 57.

    Soprano2

    @LAO: The Politico story was mentioned on the news roundup on 1A this morning, as was the Stern interview. Unfortunately, their incompetent staff didn’t have a Facebook post up for today’s show; I sure would have had some comments for them.

  58. 58.

    Soprano2

    @lowtechcyclist: Biden aides quickly promoted the interview on Friday morning, and the president’s team has stressed that they will seek to meet voters where they are through nontraditional avenues.

    Anyone else think they’re sticking the knife in and twisting it a little with this comment?

  59. 59.

    Kay

    @Soprano2:

    If they really want to stick it to the NYTimes do local media interviews in swing states. Do urban papers in PA, GA, NC, MI, WI, AZ and FL. Philadelphia is nice and close. Pittsburgh. Scranton! I would do Scranton.

    Then they can be “what – not GOOD ENOUGH for the NYTimes? America’s LOCAL journalists are BAD?”

  65. 65.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @rikyrah:

    Like all those abstract, well-established principles that led an earlier court to appoint George W Bush president.

  67. 67.

    Soprano2

    @Kay: Oh ITA, that’s a much better way to meet the voters he needs to win over than giving an interview to the NY Times where the first dozen questions would probably be variations of “are you too old to be president?” and “how concerned are you about your son Hunter?” You will never convince me that 95% of the concerns about his age are actually worries that Harris will become president – they all act like TFG would become president if something happened to Biden. I wish they would be honest about what their true concerns are.

  69. 69.

    Baud

    @Soprano2:

    Anyone else think they’re sticking the knife in and twisting it a little with this comment?

     

    The coup de grace will be his exclusive interview with Ohio Diner Magazine.

  76. 76.

    RaflW

    @LAO: I particularly love that the NYT felt forced to do live, item by item coverage of Biden on Stern’s show.

    Suck it, AG.

    Tidbit: by Zolan Kanno-Youngs
    While talking about his younger days with Howard Stern, President Biden just mistakenly said “Trump” when he meant to say “Nixon.” Biden immediately corrects himself and says “excuse me for the Freudian slip.”

  78. 78.

    lowtechcyclist

    @Ruckus:

    They are trying to inflate trump?

    That is one ugly, worse than useless toy balloon.

    And may it share the fate of the Hindenburg.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    @RaflW:

    While talking about his younger days with Howard Stern, President Biden just mistakenly said “Trump” when he meant to say “Nixon.” Biden immediately corrects himself and says “excuse me for the Freudian slip.”

     

    Haha. Biden doesn’t get enough credit for his quips.

  80. 80.

    Ruckus

    @rikyrah:

    I like it when less than supreme, supreme court justices feel like screwing the law and being political.

    Several wheres there are founding fathers rolling over in their graves.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    @Soprano2:

    How many of the NYT’s concerns are that they get exactly what they want out of and not what they don’t want out of a president? I’m going with 100%.

    Are they about covering the news or making it?

  97. 97.

    Fake Irishman

    @rikyrah:

    Tarrant County is very purple and perhaps tipping blue for national and statewide elections.  It’s a few percentage points behind that for local and county offices. Stuff like this accelerates the shift. (Cold comfort right now, but the ground is shifting pretty quickly in that part of north Texas)

  98. 98.

    hueyplong

    @JPL: She’s a right wing chew toy, so they can’t let it go.  Setting aside the racism (I know, impossible), letting it go would require an ounce of empathy, which is also totally unacceptable

    Hence the well-worn line about the cruelty being the point.

  100. 100.

    cain

    @Jackie: he’s definitely breaking his gag order at that birthday bash. The ‘bash’ is him bashing a lot of people.

    ETA #100!

  101. 101.

    Ruckus

    @Baud:

    The panic caused by the 15% loss is the source of most of our problems.

    Yep.

    I see that my concept that this is supposed to be a nation of it’s citizens rather than a nation of the wealthy, white, well off males is actually at least starting to become a reality.

  102. 102.

    Soprano2

    @Baud: True that, they hate the idea that they might have to stand in line for things behind others they believe are less deserving than they are. I’ve always thought the mouthing about the “most qualified” candidates was a huge pile of horseshit. In my life I’ve found it’s rare that there’s an obviously “more qualified” candidate for most things. The deciding factor is usually something like “who am I most comfortable around?”, which is why it’s so hard for others to break into jobs where white men dominate.

  103. 103.

    JCJ

    @Kay:  The first time I came across the term “woke” was in an article on a subsite of espn’s website called “The Undefeated”, now known as “andscape”.  This was in 2016.  It was describing Gregg Popovich, the coach of the San Antonio Spurs, as the most ‘woke’ coach in the NBA.  It basically described how Pop became ‘woke’.  It was quite complementary.  Just looking at the article again it starts off with the Urban Dictionary definition of woke – “Being aware … Knowing what’s going on in the community.”

     

    https://andscape.com/features/san-antonio-spurs-gregg-popovich-is-the-nbas-most-woke-coach/

  105. 105.

    wjca

    @Cacti: He won’t be convicted.  It only takes one cultist for a hung jury.

    You and he seem to be on the same page.

    Only consider how devastating it will be, however, if he is convicted.  Devastating for him, for sure.  But having your worldview refuted, even if only this once, could be hard on you as well.  I hope you get thru it OK.

  108. 108.

    Manyakitty

    @LAO: it’s perfect. Also, I’d love to see Biden give interviews to the few independent local papers like the Baltimore Banner, etc.

  110. 110.

    TBone

    In honor of today’s proceedings, I made cool cucumber salad.  Slicing that cuke was very satisfying, as is the creamy dill goodness.

  115. 115.

    hueyplong

    @rikyrah: Ain’t it something that there are voters who need to see Smith’s case in addition to everything else in order to do the right thing?

  116. 116.

    One of the Many Jens

    @WaterGirl:  Hey WaterGirl, I wanted to check in with you on the Four Directions thermometer – I had thought I’d read that the full amount needed to be donated by 4/25 for one of the big angel matches to occur?  I hit the 20K for NV last night with a $300-something donation to try and get that. Hope it wasn’t too late.  Thanks again for putting these together!

  117. 117.

    rikyrah

    17 GOP-held Biden districts targeted to flip blue (@Needle_of_Arya) posted at 9:48 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2024:
    “I’m committed to the purity and the exact letter of the Constitution!” has never been more of a fatefully terrible lie coming from a white conservative than right now

     

    Jon (@landbutcher) posted at 10:23 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2024:
    Constitutionalists only affirm the parts that serve white supremacy. That document has no value to them outside of that context.

     

    17 GOP-held Biden districts targeted to flip blue (@Needle_of_Arya) posted at 10:25 AM on Fri, Apr 26, 2024:
    that first phrase

    we are here in part because the Constitution began to be interpreted to be fair to Black people, and the white supremacist opposes this development
    (https://x.com/Needle_of_Arya/status/1783880038204485755?t=ATT_hwWINwlEgRfJejRX-A&s=03)

  119. 119.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Cacti:

    He won’t be convicted. It only takes one cultist for a hung jury.

    That hasn’t been helping him so far.  It’s what I would have expected, but he’s had enough legal troubles by now that it’s doesn’t happen in practice.  The system actually does counter that pretty well.  Fuck if I know how.

  120. 120.

    Ruckus

    @Mr. Bemused Senior:

    The balloon is smarter, and more useful, except that it looks like SFB.

    An actual, plain round balloon would look far better.

    (And that is exactly the picture I thought it would be)

  121. 121.

    hueyplong

    @Frankensteinbeck: On some criminal conviction that was later the subject of a Trumpian pardon, a MAGAt was on the jury and said she supported Pres. Trump but the evidence was clear.

    Maybe it would have been different if the defendant had been Trump himself.

  124. 124.

    cmorenc

    @rikyrah:

    This was foreseen by the way they “crafted” the paragraph when they took up the case.
    The wording of it gave it away back then – it is legal sophistry, and they know it. These are bad faith actors. https://t.co/qx3yOMQeU7
    (https://x.com/DrMarinaArcher/status/1783635154793275507?t=cLfCRhfb43Ta19FArVAzAA&s=03)

    “Whether and to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office…”

    Isn’t Roberts hereby assuming that inciting a mob to storm the Capitol and attempting to subvert the electoral college with a fake elector scheme are “official acts” of a President, as opposed to campaigning by electoral subversion?  If Trump’s activities around J6 and fake electoral schemes etc. are covered by Presidential immunity, so was Richard Nixon’s acts supporting and covering up the break-in at Watergate actions protected by Presidential immunity.

  126. 126.

    WaterGirl

    @One of the Many Jens: It’s all good, thank you so much!

    We have two $1,000 checks from angels who matched with a check rather than donating through the thermometer.

    So we did meet our deadline in time, and I SO appreciate the $300 donation to make sure we got there for NV.

    If that $300 is more than you would have donated if you had known about the checks, I’m sure you can get a refund from ActBlue.

    My double-secrete hope was that we would get to $20k in the thermometers so we could raise $21k for each.  So I was super excited to see that we broke $20k in the thermometer, bringing us to $21k for NV!

    I always think that it encourages the external matches when the individual who has pledge $20k or $30k sees that we were able to raise a bit more than what they required for them to make their donation.

    But again, I’m sure you can request a refund if it was more than you could really afford.

  127. 127.

    WaterGirl

    @LAO: I do not know.  The prosecution stood their ground and said they didn’t want to supply witness names because Trump would harass them.  (my words, not theirs)  Justice Merchan agreed.

    Then, the day before the first witness was to be called, they gave the defense Pecker’s name.

    I have only seen speculation about who the next witness might be.  As far as I know, the prosecution has not announced the name.

  128. 128.

    Bupalos

    @hueyplong: Also maybe not though. I think a lot of people sell a little short the degree to which for most Trumpists, their Trumpism requires a protected and managed information space. If not managed, it can be pierced with facts or different perspectives or can evaporate when the social structure around evaporates.

    It doesn’t feel that way to us, because we believe these perspectives and structures are available to these people and that they have a kind of herculean ability to insulate themselves. But something as simple as an unfamiliar context with 11 other strangers and facts parading in front of their face… it can be a very different story. As much as I’m more or less constantly lectured online about how this is absolutely impossible and should never be attempted, I’ve picked spots and helped it happen in “real life” too.

  129. 129.

    Jackie

    @cain:

    he’s definitely breaking his gag order at that birthday bash.

    Maybe. Maybe not. Unless he does a public speech, breaking his gag order, what TIFG says in private… 🤷🏼‍♀️

  131. 131.

    LAO

    @WaterGirl: I was just wondering if I missed it.

    For the record (as a practical point) I’m certain the prosecution team released the name to the defense team. I believe this because (1) the defense abided by the prosecution request not to release Pecker’s name or allow Trump to truth about Pecker and (2) it’s the general practice of DANY (that’s what they call themselves).

  134. 134.

    Jackie

    Apparently, Schiff kept his sense of humor while speaking in his travel apparel 😁

    San Francisco Chronicle: “Hello to the city, goodbye to your luggage. That was Senatorial candidate Adam Schiff’s rude introduction to San Francisco’s vexing reputation for car burglaries Thursday when thieves swiped the bags from his car while it sat in a downtown parking garage.”

    “The heist meant the Democratic congressman got stuck at a fancy dinner party in his shirt sleeves and a hiking vest while everyone else sat in suits.”

  135. 135.

    Jackie

    “President Biden said on Friday that he would participate in a general-election debate with former President Donald Trump, a striking shift after months in which he and his campaign declined to commit to appearing onstage with his Republican rival,” the New York Times reports.

    “Mr. Biden’s announcement, made in response to a question from the radio host Howard Stern, comes after pressure from television networks and Mr. Trump’s campaign for the president to agree to participate in debates.”

    I highly doubt Biden is agreeing “under pressure;” he’s been practicing these last few weeks while campaigning, tossing out zingers and rebuttals directly to TIFG’s statements.

    I just hope the debate hosts cut TIFG’s mike ASAP when he attempts starts to talk over and interrupt Biden.

  136. 136.

    Baud

    @Jackie:

    a striking shift after months in which he and his campaign declined to commit to appearing onstage with his Republican rival,” the New York Times reports.

     
    This is why they don’t get interviews. There’s no shift much less a striking one in not committing before you commit. It’s written that way to make Biden seem like his flip flopping on something.

  137. 137.

    Josie

    @rikyrah: ​
     George Conway in an interview on CNN said that it was still possible to have a trial in September and October, even if not a verdict.
    Additionally, he said that the worst case scenario was to have the case remanded to Judge Chutkin, in which case she could have a fact finding hearing in July, which would not be the trial we all want, but would at least lay out the evidence for people to see. I felt a little better hearing that,

  139. 139.

    oldgold

    The cross, like most cross, was meh and went on too long.

    Any damage done, has been healed by the re-direct.

    All things considered, Pecker was a good opening witness for the prosecution. He set the table well.

  140. 140.

    oldgold

    @Josie:

    If a decision has to be made as to whether to try the DC case or the Florida case in the early autumn of 2023 2024, I would go with the Florida case.

    It is the easier case to try and has not already been absorbed into the nation’s political consciousness.

  141. 141.

    oldgold

    This re-direct wiped out the cross:

    Wasn’t the contract really aimed at “locking up the Karen McDougal story?” he asked.

    “Yes,” Pecker said, later adding that the parts about columns and articles were “included in the contract basically to disguise the actual purpose of it.”

    “And what was the actual purpose of it?”

    Pecker said it was “to acquire the lifetime rights to her story so it’s not published.”

  142. 142.

    Josie

    @oldgold: ​
     Did you mean 2024? I would agree with you, except for the fact that, in Florida, we are dealing with a biased, incompetent judge and, in D.C., we have the exact opposite.

  144. 144.

    oldgold

    Yes, I meant 2024. Although, 2023 would have been nice.

    Even given the Judge, if I were Smith, I would prefer to go with the Florida case.

    The facts in that case are brutal and easily understood. Yet, except for legal and political junkies are not well known.

    In my opinion, the DC case is a legal briar patch.

  145. 145.

    One of the Many Jens

    @WaterGirl:  Oh, fantastic. No worries, I just wanted to ensure that we got as much through to 4D as we could! Thanks again!

  147. 147.

    Dan B

    @rikyrah: It’s outrageous.  She was told she could vote and did a provisional ballot.  This prosecutor is a stone cold racist, and probably mysoginist as well.

  148. 148.

    Martin

    My sense from the oral arguments yesterday is that there’s going to be a lot of discussion between the justices on this one in terms of what kinds of incentives would various outcomes create.

  150. 150.

    WaterGirl

    @Nancy: Yes!  I was definitely speaking of the 6 corrupt Justices.

    I can only imagine how the remaining 3 ,who actually care about the rule of law, feel.  If it’s maddening for us, it must be equally or more maddening to them.

    Screw comity – I want blistering dissents if the rulings are as ridiculous and harmful and I suspect they might be.

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