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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2008 / Compare and Contrast

Compare and Contrast

by John Cole|  May 11, 200812:12 pm| 145 Comments

This post is in: Election 2008

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Obama has launched a nationwide effort to register people to vote in all 50 states (not, as you might think, all 57, however), that started just this week:

Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama kicked off a voter registration drive in Birmingham on Saturday, joining volunteers holding similar events in 100 other cities nationally.

Two dozen Obama’08 volunteers visited store parking lots and neighborhoods across metro Birmingham, passing out voter registration forms. It was part of a Vote for Change mobilization drive in all 50 states.

The Obama volunteers registered 92 voters as of late Saturday afternoon, said volunteer Melissa Thomas. She said the registration drive will continue until the deadline before the Nov. 4 presidential election.

Meanwhile, via the GOS, we see that “Women’s Voices. Women Vote” has had another “unfortunate accident.” This “unfortunate mistake” happened in WV right before the primary, just like the “accidentally misleading” robo-calls in NC:

A group called “Women’s Voices. Women Vote” sent out more than 16,000 mailers to unmarried women in the state after April 22, the last day to register in time to vote Tuesday. …

Page Gardner, president of the women’s organization, said in a letter that:

“West Virginia residents will receive this mail after the deadline for registering to vote to participate in the upcoming primary election. Please be aware that the mailing is not intended to encourage registration specifically for the primary, but simply to encourage voter registration in general.

The mailing clearly indicates that the deadline to register to vote by mail for a particular election in West Virginia is 20 days before the election … We hope that this unfortunate coincidence in timing does not lead to any confusion or aggravation for either your state’s voters or registrars.”

***

Ireland’s office said it received a batch of voter registration forms as a result of the group’s mass mailing, and many of them were from people already registered.

Ireland said she wants to assure already registered voters that they do not need to register again to vote in Tuesday’s primary. However, those voters who used the women’s group’s registration form to update their address should contact their county clerk’s office to determine their proper voting precinct.

“I do not want registered voters to be confused by this mailing,” Ireland said. “If you were already registered to vote, you do not need to re-register.”

Noted without comment.

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  1. 1.

    jake

    May 11, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Jesus BASE jumping Christ. When the fuck is someone going to throw the book at WVWV? The stinking Republicans aren’t this god damned ham fisted and WVWV’s Lemony Snickett “Unfortunate Event” defense didn’t fool anyone the first time around.

    They need to be shut down and sentenced to walk the streets wearing placards that read “I tried to disenfranchise voters,” and baskets of rotten arugula so passers by can pelt them.

    Thank God for Obama or I’d be faced with the choice of switching to Independent or slitting my wrists out of contact shame.

  2. 2.

    null pointer exception

    May 11, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    LOL and Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

  3. 3.

    Scott H

    May 11, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    WVWV: One probably shouldn’t put to malice or to conspiracy that which is easily attributable to incompetence – but the former is more fun.

    Anyway, good on Obama’s registration drive. Maybe an Obama Adminsitration can do something about the ridiculous photo ID requirements for voters some states have adopted.

  4. 4.

    Incertus

    May 11, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    LOL and Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    Yeah, with the main reason being that he’d be great on civil rights issues. I thought the Republicans were the ones who were famous for screaming “nigger nigger nigger!”

  5. 5.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 11, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    WVWV: One probably shouldn’t put to malice or to conspiracy that which is easily attributable to incompetence – but the former is more fun.

    Much like the Clinton campaign. Obama’s 50 state strategy, which I believe was initiated by Howard Dean, is brilliant. Few states are monolithically Blue or Red so picking up the votes and the seats where you can get them makes sense.

  6. 6.

    Slugger

    May 11, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    I live in Oregon. We have had vote by mail for 12 years now. I have not heard of any problems. Why don’t more states adopt it?

  7. 7.

    John S.

    May 11, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Why don’t more states adopt it?

    I’m pretty sure that here in Florida, we could figure out several reasons why.

  8. 8.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Slugger Says:

    I live in Oregon. We have had vote by mail for 12 years now. I have not heard of any problems. Why don’t more states adopt it?

    Because if it became easy to vote and there was a auditable paper trail the terrorists would win.

  9. 9.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I am ready to either take away the right to vote in Florida or give them all to Castro’s brother.

    I am so sick of that damned state.

  10. 10.

    demimondian

    May 11, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Yeah, I’m trying to figure out what’s going on with WVWV. They just don’t make sense — after they’ve gotten nailed in three straight states for the same “unfortunate incidents”, you’d think that they’d start trying to be careful, wouldn’t you?

  11. 11.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    Well I guess that’s a step up from what frontpage poster “Uppity Woman” has in mind for the MUP over at Talk Left and Taylor Marsh’s sister site No Quarter.

    This is the latest from the charming lady who previously gave us a post titled “I call a Spade a Spade”:

    On behalf of millions of Clinton supporters who have made it very clear that we will vote for a cockroach before we vote for Barack Obama, I would like you pieces of Obama crap to know that you can kiss our asses. We will collectively do everything in our power to see to it that you and that mysogynist, bigoted, race-baiting pig you worship, the fraud who has already set gender and racial relations back thirty years, goes down in flames in a big way. And there are millions of us. Millions. The kind of millions that brought his type down before from the voting booth.

    Nice, huh?
    Somehow I get the feeling that she’s not interested in sitting down with us for tea and cookies and discussing how we expand the Democratic Party.

  12. 12.

    dr. bloor

    May 11, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    LOL and Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    Why would he want to be AG after having been President for eight years?

  13. 13.

    Incertus

    May 11, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    I am ready to either take away the right to vote in Florida or give them all to Castro’s brother.

    We’re working on it, at least those of us in the more southern part of the state. A couple of cities down here have expressed support for a resolution to separate the southern part of the state from the northern and form a new state of south Florida–it won’t go anywhere, of course, but we’re making the point that Tallahassee is doing a shitty job of representing us. And we also have a real shot at dumping the three Cubans from Miami.

  14. 14.

    Libby Spencer

    May 11, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    I agree with you demimondian. What are these people thinking? The PR on this has now become toxic. It can only hurt their project and I can’t believe anyone would give them funding to continue it.

  15. 15.

    Cain

    May 11, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    Speaking of the whole get out the vote thing. I thought, Hallaboo, had a great post regarding this. Obama is building a separate power structure to the democratic party running in parallel. From the post:

    There’s nothing shadowy about this – it’s an extension of what the Obama campaign has been doing since he entered the race. He’s building a new Democratic infrastructure, regimenting it under his brand, and enlisting new technologies and more sophisticated voter contacting techniques to turn it from a normal GOTV effort into a lasting movement. The short-term goal is to increase voter turnout by such a degree that Republicans will wither in November, not just from a swamp of cash but a flood of numbers. The long-term goal is to subvert the traditional structures of the Democratic Party since the early 1990s, subvert the nascent structures that the progressive movement has been building since the late 1990s, and build a parallel structure, under his brand, that will become the new power center in American politics. This is tremendous news.

    The original post is here

    I recently added myself to my.obamabarack.com and I gotta say, this is pretty impressive as a technologist. You can freaking do phone banking from the comfort of your own home with the way they’ve set things up. It’s somewhat similar to what google does in their maps.google.com. I wouldn’t be surprised if google hasn’t lend it’s awesome technical powess to this enterprise. If it has, that is one hell of a saavy move by Barack. That’s out of the box thinking, taking what he’s done as a grass roots organizer and then making it nation wise using the internet… I’m awed. I would love to meet his IT guy!

    Hell of a campaign. Click the link, it’s a great read.

    cain

  16. 16.

    dr. bloor

    May 11, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    On behalf of millions of Clinton supporters who have made it very clear that we will vote for a cockroach before we vote for Barack Obama, I would like you pieces of Obama crap to know that you can kiss our asses. We will collectively do everything in our power to see to it that you and that mysogynist, bigoted, race-baiting pig you worship, the fraud who has already set gender and racial relations back thirty years, goes down in flames in a big way. And there are millions of us. Millions. The kind of millions that brought his type down before from the voting booth.

    I’m sure they’ll be very happy with an administration headed up by President McCain and the trollop.

  17. 17.

    Sasha

    May 11, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I am ready to either take away the right to vote in Florida or give them all to Castro’s brother.

    I am so sick of that damned state.

    Don’t attribute the idiocy of the Florida leadership to its citizens. Most of us actually did vote for Gore.

  18. 18.

    Cain

    May 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Dude.. let’s cool it on the c-word. Sheesh.

    Man.. the charming lady needs to wipe the spittle from her mouth. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such hate. I guess people see what they want to see. If Hillary does start stumping for Obama, I wonder if these people will step back. They might since they may not want to ruin it for Clinton..

    cain

  19. 19.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 11, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I am ready to either take away the right to vote in Florida or give them all to Castro’s brother.

    I am so sick of that damned state.

    The case could be made that Spain was under duress when it ceded its claim to Florida to the British in 1763. It’s a narrow avenue but I’d be willing to pursue it.

  20. 20.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Out of line, Dr. bloor. I changed the last word in your comment.

  21. 21.

    smiley

    May 11, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    On behalf of millions of Clinton supporters who have made it very clear that we will vote for a cockroach before we vote for Barack Obama, I would like you pieces of Obama crap to know that you can kiss our asses. We will collectively do everything in our power to see to it that you and that mysogynist, bigoted, race-baiting pig you worship, the fraud who has already set gender and racial relations back thirty years, goes down in flames in a big way. And there are millions of us. Millions. The kind of millions that brought his type down before from the voting booth.

    Holy crap. I thought I followed this stuff fairly closely but I guess I don’t after all. I have no idea what this person is talking about. If memory serves, there were several male candidates running for the dem nomination. One happened to prevail. Would they say the same if Dodd or Edwards had won? Just because they won and she didn’t?

  22. 22.

    Andrew

    May 11, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    LOL and Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    I was about to post this too.

    I used to like Jeralyn too. Now I think she’s totally fucking crazy.

  23. 23.

    Cain

    May 11, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    John, I think he meant McCain’s wife not Hillary. :-)

    cain

  24. 24.

    Andrew

    May 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    And this is an excellent riposte to the nutters in that very TalkLeft thread (and all the others over there).

    Now, all we have to do is sit back and wait for the Obama is Hitler (No! Axelrod is Hitler!) crowd to go nuts.

  25. 25.

    Incertus

    May 11, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Yeah, I imagine he was referring to this story about McCain calling his wife that.

  26. 26.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    John, I think he meant McCain’s wife not Hillary. :-)

    cain

    Jesus. Fixed.

    I am just hyper-sensitive to people chucking grenades at Hillary and her supporters right now.

  27. 27.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Holy crap. I thought I followed this stuff fairly closely but I guess I don’t after all. I have no idea what this person is talking about.

    Oh, trust me, you don’t know the half of it—this same woman, again a FRONT PAGE poster on No Quarter, has made any number of references to the fact that she and others are tracking people and their IP addresses through their comments on other pro-MUP blogs….and that there will be retribution.

    I’m beginning to understand how young Travis felt when Old Yeller took that turn for the worse (after being bitten by the rabid wolf). Situation not good.

  28. 28.

    zack

    May 11, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    I am just hyper-sensitive to people chucking grenades at Hillary and her supporters right now.

    That’s one thing Uppity over at No Quarter never has to worry about — deleting the grenades her commenters make about Obama. She’s the one chucking them – her, Larry and Susan put in their posts what John would be embarrassed to have show up in his comments.

    That just about sums it up, doesn’t it?

  29. 29.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    If MCjohn wants to call his wife a ‘c*nt’, that’s his privilege, not ours. Now if you had surrounded the word with quote marks, it might be a tiny bit more palatable as it could be understood that you were only quoting MCjohn.

    Yeah, thats the ticket! ;)

  30. 30.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    If MCjohn wants to call his wife a ‘c*nt’, that’s his privilege, not ours. Now if you had surrounded the word with quote marks, it might be a tiny bit more palatable as it could be understood that you were only quoting MCjohn.

    Yeah, thats the ticket! ;)

    Can we just stick with trollop?

    Or, at the worst, c-bomb?

  31. 31.

    The Other Steve

    May 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    SAME DAY REGISTRATION!

    Wisconsin and Minnesota have had this for years without incident. Minnesota has the highest voting ratio in the country as a result.

  32. 32.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Can we just stick with trollop?

    I’m fine with trollop, although I prefer the term “slattern”.

  33. 33.

    Soylent Green

    May 11, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    And I want to be able to fly, walk through walls, and turn myself invisible.

  34. 34.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    I am just hyper-sensitive to people chucking grenades at Hillary and her supporters right now.

    Yeah, cuz it’s completely out of nowhere.

  35. 35.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Trollop is just fine with me, and I would not have used the same descriptor the Dr above did. I am just politely pointing out that quoting a politician is safer than making it look like you are the origin of the quote.

    I would never call my wife what McCain called his, but I can see the point that the Dr was trying to make. The quotes would have made it correct, but still it is not appropriate IMO. There are more tasteful ways to make the same point.

    Good call John. :)

  36. 36.

    jake

    May 11, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    On behalf of millions of Clinton supporters who have made it very clear that we will vote for a cockroach before we vote for Barack Obama, I would like you pieces of Obama crap to know that you can kiss our asses.

    On the whole, I prefer “Speaking only for myself.”

    The kicker is I’ve yet to see “millions of Clinton supporters,” who’ve made any such thing clear to anyone. TL, H44 and the rest of the gang have whittled the number of people who can light a candle in the shrine of St. Hillary submit a post down to, what? Five? So unless shes using some sort of special Hillsteric math where each person who says “I won’t vote for Obama, I won’t! I won’t!” is a Super Delegate who represents a hundred thousand or a million voters, she’s full of shit.

    Meanwhile, in the real world where people have bills to pay (or ignore) and jobs to go to (or hunt for), none of this shit is causing so much as a minor ripple. At the risk of giving offense to people I admire, the ability of 99.999% of blogs have ZERO ability to affect politics. Sorry, but there it is.

    Most bloggers on the left know this so it is especially sad (unless I mean hillarious) to watch these chumps wank off as they convince themselves that they’re important, their temper tantrums matter and the entire fucking country is biting its nails because they won’t vote for Obama.

    In the meantime, as I’ve said before, they’ve made their intentions clear so it’s time to shut the fuck up until either Hillary wins (and in theory they’ll calm the hell down) or November 5th when they can tell us either:

    1. Nyah, nyah! I voted for McCain/Didn’t vote at all so 4 moar yearz of Bush!

    2. Um … Obama would have won by a bigger margin if you Obamabats had been nicer. Stop laughing at me!

    And if Obama gets the nomination I expect the I’m voting for McCaniacs to immediately go out and switch parties.

  37. 37.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    And I want to be able to fly, walk through walls, and turn myself invisible.

    No problem with flying or walking through walls, just pull down the console and type in ‘noclip’ and have at it!

    Oh, you were talking about real life?! In that case, get a pilots license, walk through a few doorways and become an Obama supporter.

    That ought to cover it!

  38. 38.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 11, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    The kicker is I’ve yet to see “millions of Clinton supporters,” who’ve made any such thing clear to anyone.

    Why didn’t they just vote for her?

  39. 39.

    Soylent Green

    May 11, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    At the risk of giving offense to people I admire, the ability of 99.999% of blogs have ZERO ability to affect politics. Sorry, but there it is.

    Don’t exaggerate. The actual number is no higher than 99.995%.

    Actually I think that the blogs have a negligible direct effect on the masses but a demonstrable one on the talking heads and pundits, who package what they’ve read for mass consumption. They or their staffs read the many salient observations being made here, and use the good stuff.

  40. 40.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Why didn’t they just vote for her?

    They shouldn’t have had to vote for her. There was no reason to have a Democratic primary this time around and Dean’s stupid insistence on having one is the reason we are in this mess now.

    I can understand having a Democratic primary when there is no clearly inevitable candidate or when there is a need to determine a new direction to take the party.

    But this wasn’t one of those times. We all knew it was Hillary’s turn. She’s worked her entire life for this. And thanks to you meddling kids and your stupid dog, shit’s gonna hit the fan now.

  41. 41.

    PeterJ

    May 11, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    I’m rather certain that MyDD or TalkLeft won’t run some sort of anti-Obama campaign in the fall, I really doubt Taylor Marsh that will do it and I know to little about the people behind Corrente to have an idea about them.

    On the other hand, I would be seriously suprised if No Quarters won’t.

  42. 42.

    Soylent Green

    May 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    I can understand having a Democratic primary when there is no clearly inevitable candidate or when there is a need to determine a new direction to take the party.

    But this wasn’t one of those times. We all knew it was Hillary’s turn. She’s worked her entire life for this. And thanks to you meddling kids and your stupid dog, shit’s gonna hit the fan now.

    Think what a better world we would have today if Hillary could have inherited the White House in 2000, as in a royal line of succession. The king is dead, long live the queen. I’m sure that’s how she looks at it.

  43. 43.

    dr. bloor

    May 11, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Can we just stick with trollop?

    Or, at the worst, c-bomb?

    Your house, your rules. No problem here.

    I don’t ordinarily use the word itself, even when talking about the story, but in this instance it seemed an appropriately blunt response to the nitwits who can’t imagine voting for Obama because he’s a “misogynist pig.”

  44. 44.

    smiley

    May 11, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    On the other hand, I would be seriously suprised if No Quarters won’t.

    They already are. Holy crap. I just rummaged around over there and they are deranged with hatred. There’s a particularly vile post about Michelle Obama. They really hate her too. Used a Hannity/Fox clip to attack her.

  45. 45.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Your house, your rules. No problem here.

    I don’t ordinarily use the word itself, even when talking about the story, but in this instance it seemed an appropriately blunt response to the nitwits who can’t imagine voting for Obama because he’s a “misogynist pig.”

    I thought it was a particularly good comment. Now that John’s a progressive it shouldn’t be long before he is shutting down the comments for a few days to allow the proles a chance to cool down or figures out some clever way to allow the majority to censor the opinions of the minority.

    It’s all the rage on the A-list progressive blogs.

  46. 46.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I thought it was a particularly good comment. Now that John’s a progressive it shouldn’t be long before he is shutting down the comments for a few days to allow the proles a chance to cool down or figures out some clever way to allow the majority to censor the opinions of the minority.

    It’s all the rage on the A-list progressive blogs.

    I am just begging for no usage of the C-bomb.

    I really don’t understand the comment bullshit at some other sites. Either have comments or don’t, and if you decide you want them, deal with the fact people are going to say stupid, offensive and idiotic things, and often they will be directed at you or things you like. Sometimes they will even be accurate.

  47. 47.

    TR

    May 11, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    We will collectively do everything in our power to see to it that you and that mysogynist, bigoted, race-baiting pig you worship, the fraud who has already set gender and racial relations back thirty years, goes down in flames in a big way.

    I’m sorry, are they talking about the same politician I’ve been watching? Is this website coming from some alternate universe?

    And there are millions of us. Millions. The kind of millions that brought his type down before from the voting booth.

    Here’s a word of advice for the Clinton Cultists. If you want to avoid charges of racism, you might not want to talk about how you’ve kept “his type” down at the voting booth.

  48. 48.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I am just begging for no usage of the C-bomb.

    Never used the word myself but I’m reminded of something insightful one of my fave bloggers said once:

    Either have comments or don’t, and if you decide you want them, deal with the fact people are going to say stupid, offensive and idiotic things, and often they will be directed at you or things you like. Sometimes they will even be accurate.

  49. 49.

    TR

    May 11, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    That site is the saddest thing I’ve ever seen. So much delusion, so much misappropriated rage.

    It’s like Bette Davis’s character in “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?” discovered the internet.

  50. 50.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Never used the word myself but I’m reminded of something insightful one of my fave bloggers said once:

    Sometimes I question the wisdom of having comments at all.

  51. 51.

    demimondian

    May 11, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    I question the wisdom of having comments at all.

    I don’t see why you have any doubt about the wisdom at all. Having comments is stupid.

    Fun, yes. Stupid.

  52. 52.

    abiodun

    May 11, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    My group registered 25 people yesterday in Charlottesville, VA.(and 5 people decided to mail the forms in themselves, we provided the stamps)

  53. 53.

    jake

    May 11, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    But this wasn’t one of those times. We all knew it was Hillary’s turn. She’s worked her entire life for this. And thanks to you meddling kids and your stupid dog, shit’s gonna hit the fan now.

    JSF FTW

    And there are millions of us. Millions. The kind of millions that brought his type down before from the voting booth.

    WE ARE LEGION. Bzzzzzzz!

    Maybe I’m just not Serious enough but this shit has me rolling around in my chair, gasping for breath.

  54. 54.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Jeralyn at TalkLeft wants Obama to be AG in a Clinton administration.

    I’m surprised no one has suggested Personal Aide to the President.

  55. 55.

    Krista

    May 11, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    John Cole Says:

    Never used the word myself but I’m reminded of something insightful one of my fave bloggers said once:

    Sometimes I question the wisdom of having comments at all.

    I’m sure you do. Then again, you also once said that this blog was pretty much a group effort, and that you couldn’t understand the point of not having comments.

    I think we’re still not yet at the point where we’re more trouble than we’re worth. ;)

  56. 56.

    t jasper parnell

    May 11, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    I think the “his type” refers to Mondale, McGovern and Dukakis, by which they mean the Democratic candidate who was clearly the better choice but not the exact choice we wanted therefore we voted for the banana slug, or — in this case — McCain.

  57. 57.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I think we’re still not yet at the point where we’re more trouble than we’re worth.

    Speak for yourself, I’m definitely more trouble than I’m worth—and damn proud of it too.

  58. 58.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    I think the “his type” refers to Mondale, McGovern and Dukakis, by which they mean the Democratic candidate who was clearly the better choice but not the exact choice we wanted therefore we voted for the banana slug, or—in this case—McCain.

    Actually t jasper, I’d argue those candidates had no crossover appeal and that is why they lost. I’d suggest that HRC has the same problem.

  59. 59.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    I think the “his type” refers to Mondale, McGovern and Dukakis, by which they mean the Democratic candidate who was clearly the better choice but not the exact choice we wanted therefore we voted for the banana slug, or—in this case—McCain.

    Nah. This is the same nasty twit who penned “I call a Spade a Spade” and repeatedly refers to Obama supporters as “savages”.
    I can’t believe that Larry Johnson has turned over his front page to this gutter rat and her running buddy, the profoundly stupid SusanUnpc. Then again, Larry used to be a hardcore gooper so apparently the disease was only in remission and he’s now back to fullblown winger.

  60. 60.

    t jasper parnell

    May 11, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Fair enough explanations in both cases.

  61. 61.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 11, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Why would he want to be AG after having been President for eight years?

    Thanks, Dr Bloor, now I get to find out if my computer works better with Coke sprayed all over it.

  62. 62.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 11, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    I’m sorry, are they talking about the same politician I’ve been watching? Is this website coming from some alternate universe?

    I suppose you think Obama *didn’t* flip off Hillary that one time. And that he *isn’t* a racist for accusing Hillary’s campaign of racism. And that he *isn’t* a misogynist for trying to deny women the right to vote (i.e. get more votes than the preferred candidate of most women, same thing, right?)

    Has Obama condemned and distanced himself from that guy down the street who said he’d rather vote for a dog with lipstick than Hillary? No? Well then, he must hate all women, huh?

    It’s all right there, for those who are willing to pull their heads from the sand.

  63. 63.

    flyerhawk

    May 11, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Steve Chapman at the Chicago Tribune penned a great article that perfectly reflects my views regarding the general election.

    Bush’s troubles have sent voters fleeing from his party. In 2004, 47 percent of Americans leaned toward the Democratic Party, with 44 percent leaning Republican — a 3-point difference. Today, it’s 51 to 38 in favor of the Democrats — a gap of 13 percentage points.

    A 13 point gap is pretty huge.

    Tack on the fact that McCain really doesn’t inspire much confidence in the hard core Republicans and an 8 point win is not out of the question.

    Oh and TalkLeft today was discussing who they want McCain to pick as VP. They are torn between Christie Whitman and Kay Hutchinson.

  64. 64.

    PeterJ

    May 11, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Oh and TalkLeft today was discussing who they want McCain to pick as VP. They are torn between Christie Whitman and Kay Hutchinson.

    They also had a post congratulating Jenna Bush who’s getting married.
    Well, she wouldn’t say that she was going to vote for McCain… but, still, nothing I would expect seeing on a liberal blog.

  65. 65.

    johnbpt

    May 11, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Are there any other “inappropiate” words other than “the c-bomb?” If not, why is it singled out? If so, can we have a list?

  66. 66.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Are there any other “inappropiate” words other than “the c-bomb?” If not, why is it singled out? If so, can we have a list?

    I give up.

  67. 67.

    johnbpt

    May 11, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    John, I’m not trying to be a smartass. It’s just that “the n-bomb” (in quotes) was dropped in comment #4 without anyone commenting, and I’m wondering if there’s some logic to the censorship.

  68. 68.

    Jon H

    May 11, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    ” They just don’t make sense—after they’ve gotten nailed in three straight states for the same “unfortunate incidents”, you’d think that they’d start trying to be careful, wouldn’t you?”

    Being careful would prevent them from accomplishing what they’re trying to accomplish.

  69. 69.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 11, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    I’m wondering if there’s some logic to the censorship.

    No. SASQ.

  70. 70.

    John Cole

    May 11, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    John, I’m not trying to be a smartass. It’s just that “the n-bomb” (in quotes) was dropped in comment #4 without anyone commenting, and I’m wondering if there’s some logic to the censorship.

    The n-bomb was not directed at anyone, the c-bomb was. But like I said, I give up.

  71. 71.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 11, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    I’m wondering if there’s some logic to the censorship.

    Time to move on.

  72. 72.

    johnbpt

    May 11, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Don’t give up, just don’t give in.

  73. 73.

    t jasper parnell

    May 11, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    the c-bomb prohibition is a tradition having to do with pre-transformation Balloon Juice, somebody, Andre?, called somebody else, Storm 70?, the c word and was given a “time out.” I think.

  74. 74.

    cbear

    May 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    This controversy over the use of the c-bomb reminds me of the famous scene from The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean, where his deputies plead with him to apologize to their ex-hooker wives for calling them whores.

    Judge Bean: “I understand you have taken exception to my calling you whores. I’m sorry. I apologize. I ask you to note that I did not call you callous-ass strumpets, fornicatresses, or low-born gutter sluts. But I did say “whores.” No escaping that. And for that slip of the tongue, I apologize.”

  75. 75.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    I think that the Dr’s point about how some Hillary supporters hate men who treat women like crap, yet they are willing to vote for McCain even though he called his wife a “c*nt” front of witnesses. It just blows the mind at how adroitly these hard core Clintonistas can pivot from hating women haters to voting for one in the opposition party.

    Anything a politician says is fair game, and if John allows us to post here then I think it is up to us to find the right way to deliver the point that we are trying to make. The Dr could have made the same point, using the same word (but maybe replacing one of the letters with *), enclosing it in quotes and phrasing the post to make it clear that McCain was the one who called his wife the foul epithet. Then tie that to the illogical decision of hard core Clintonistas to support a misogynist from another party over the winner of their party primary, who just happens to treat his one and only wife with great respect.

    Whammo! Home run. ;)

    John, you created this monster called Balloon Juice. Blame thyself…lol!

    The Dr had a valid point to make, IMO. So rather than look at it as ‘censorship’, lets just think of it as ‘massaging the message’. If you have to alter a post to remove something foul that the writer has said, do so if need be. But if you are going to alter a post that uses the word(s) of the politician or person being discussed, maybe make sure the post has the word(s) in quotes and maybe replace a letter or two with *. That way the point being made is not lost.

    Just some thoughts from the Hot Air Gallery where the rest of us peanuts sit. :)

  76. 76.

    Chuck Butcher

    May 11, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    I just deleted 4 comments made to 4 separate posts that were cut and paste spam from an anti-Michelle source. I don’t care about opinions but I’ll be damned if I’ll act as someone’s publisher.

    I do ask people to act nice, which probably kills the deal, but I don’t moderate, I just catch stuff later.

  77. 77.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 11, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    I think that the Dr’s point about how some Hillary supporters hate men who treat women like crap, yet they are willing to vote for McCain even though he called his wife a “c*nt” front of witnesses.

    But they don’t *know* about that incident. Or about McCain dumping his first wife after her looks faded and marrying a younger, cuter version. These are low-information voters. They think that not knowing what the “smart people” know is a badge of honor.

  78. 78.

    Soylent Green

    May 11, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Oh and TalkLeft today was discussing who they want McCain to pick as VP. They are torn between Christie Whitman and Kay Hutchinson.

    How about Nancy Reagan? Her age would make him seem younger, while the name would boost his conservative cred.

  79. 79.

    El Doh

    May 11, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    So TL is all set to vote for “moderate” McCain?

    I admin I’ve not read there for a couple of days; I’m trying to keep my blood pressure down.

  80. 80.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    But they don’t know about that incident. Or about McCain dumping his first wife after her looks faded and marrying a younger, cuter version. These are low-information voters. They think that not knowing what the “smart people” know is a badge of honor.

    True enough, and much of their support for Clinton or McCain seems to be more of a knee-jerk reaction than being based on anything factual or of substance. Getting these people to see that they are voting against their own self-interests is going to be nearly impossible. They insist on (and are proud of) blindly supporting Hillary or McCain and they have an excuse answer for any ‘inconvenient truth’ that crosses their path.

  81. 81.

    jake

    May 11, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Or about McCain dumping his first wife after her looks faded and marrying a younger, cuter version.

    The “fading” happened all at once. Wife #1 (a model) went through her windshield in a car accident.

    Look, I’m just old fashioned about certain things and a sissy to boot, but people who ditch a S.O. because they’re all busted up ought to spend eternity adorning a tine on Satan’s pitchfork.

    If said S.O. knew you’d been shot down, beat up and subjected to God knows what in a POW camp and didn’t fire off a Dear John, Satan’s minions get to snack on your nads.

  82. 82.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 11, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    The “fading” happened all at once. Wife #1 (a model) went through her windshield in a car accident.

    If said S.O. knew you’d been shot down, beat up and subjected to God knows what in a POW camp and didn’t fire off a Dear John, Satan’s minions get to snack on your nads.

    She also raised his children while he was in that camp. Swell guy.

    I admin I’ve not read there for a couple of days; I’m trying to keep my blood pressure down.

    Right now they are lambasting Obama for not doing more to end the war in Iraq. Good point!

    Meanwhile NoQuarter has decided that Obama is the next Hitler. I am not making this up.

  83. 83.

    El Doh

    May 11, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Right now they are lambasting Obama for not doing more to end the war in Iraq. Good point!

    I knew his voting for the AUMF was a mistake, and I really wish he;’d admit it was such… what?

    NoQuarter I don’t bother with because they’re flat out loons. Same with Hillaryis44.

  84. 84.

    DougJ

    May 11, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    This sounds great in principle, but I have to wonder:

    1. How many of these people being registered are hard-working white people without college degrees?

    2. How many of these people are from states that really count? Why do all fifty states? Why not focus on the big states? Is it because Obama can’t win them?

  85. 85.

    El Doh

    May 11, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    The first point is irrelevant, since people who are registered get a vote regardless of their socio-economic or educational status.

    2. How many of these people are from states that really count? Why do all fifty states? Why not focus on the big states? Is it because Obama can’t win them?

    Who says he can’t win big states in November? The polling certainly suggests he’s strongly competitive in many of them.

    The point of a fifty-state-strategy is that you force the other guy to play defence. It’s not just about short term gain, it’s about rebuilding the Democratic party over time — so that over time, you become competitive. It’s about helping democrats in these states too. Maybe they’re not competitive at the presidential level (yet?), but maybe you’re registering new Democrats in districts that are becoming competitive at the house level.

    It’s not just about Obama. It’s about the Democratic Party.

  86. 86.

    Laertes

    May 11, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Nowadays I enjoy going to TalkLeft and HillaryIs44, just to take in the smell of desperation. I’m still grinning from the “Obama could maybe be Hillary’s AG if he plays his cards right.”

    They’re frustrated and angry and bitter and desperate. And I love it.

    Does that make me a bad person?

  87. 87.

    DougJ

    May 11, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    The point of a fifty-state-strategy is that you force the other guy to play defence.

    We spell it “defense” on this side of the 49th parallel, my friend. Get back to me when you find a clean way of processing that tar sand. Until, then we’ll run our elections the way we want to, eh?

  88. 88.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Score another one for SpoofMeister DougJ. ;)

  89. 89.

    El Doh

    May 11, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    He’s a spoof?

    It’s so hard to tell at this point, when so many online Hillary fans are self-parodying — and so like Greater Wingnuttia.

  90. 90.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Yup, DougJ is the professor of spoof here. I have never bitten on one of his posts, but it took me some time to make sure that he is not the ‘real deal’. He is that good.

    Now ‘DugJay’ is a whole ‘nuther story nightmare.

  91. 91.

    El Doh

    May 11, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    A fine bit of spoofery by DougJ then. Congratulations, sir!

    And thanks to CL for clueing me in that IHBT. :)

  92. 92.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 11, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    No prob. :)

    I have seen some great catches by DougJ here. Suckers bite, hook, line and sinker, and he can reel them in all day long when he wants to. What is really great is when someone posts in agreement with him. DougJ really opens up with the ‘charm’ then.

    We tend to warn innocents, but if the person has earned the ‘treatment’, we just stand back and let the SpoofMeister work his magic on them.

    It makes for great entertainment. What is really funny is when he drops little hints in his responses that clearly give away the fact that he is pulling their leg, but they almost always overlook it either in anger or agreement with him.

    He has it down to an art form.

  93. 93.

    Beej

    May 11, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    DougJ is the longest running spoof on BJ, I believe. He also appears from time to time in other guises to profess opinions radically contrary to those he professes in his DougJ persona. We all love him here, when we’re not hating him.

  94. 94.

    Tim F.

    May 11, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Heh. I remember getting taken hard by DougJ over evolution back when I was a newbie commenter. The chance of meeting a creationist willing to stand and ‘debate’ was too good to be true…

  95. 95.

    Tim F.

    May 11, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Then there was that time DougJ singlehandedly paralyzed Jeff Golstein and Tom Maguire’s sites. For rightwingers being laughed at is like have your soul stolen or your balls cut off. When they found out that they’d been seconding and me-tooing a guy who was just spouting crazy shit to make them look bad, they practically lost it. Both sites might still redirect his IP for all I know.

  96. 96.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 12, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Then there was that time DougJ singlehandedly paralyzed Jeff Golstein and Tom Maguire’s sites. For rightwingers being laughed at is like have your soul stolen or your balls cut off. When they found out that they’d been seconding and me-tooing a guy who was just spouting crazy shit to make them look bad, they practically lost it. Both sites might still redirect his IP for all I know.

    Man, when that went down, that was one of the best laughs I have ever had. Ever. I have tried my hand at spoof in the past, and sometimes I could pull it off but more often not. But my hat is off to DougJ, he is the King of Spoof.

  97. 97.

    DougJ

    May 12, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Thank you all for your kind words. I’ll never top that Tom Maguire thing. I had them all believing that Walter Pincus was going to be indicted and laughing along with barbaric jokes about torturing Joe Wilson. I’m not sure I’ll ever find commenters that stupid again.

  98. 98.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 12, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I’m not sure I’ll ever find commenters that stupid again.

    I have to disagree with you on that point. While those two set the new standard for stupid suckers, I have faith that there are more suckers who will gladly help move the standard to new lows. I hope you land those suckers too.

    In fact, I bet you will. :D

  99. 99.

    wobbly

    May 12, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Speaking as pant-suited baby-boomer…

    What is so complicated about registering to vote, and then, like, voting???

    What is the big deal here?

    There was a big fight, back in the day, the Vietnam meatgrinder was shredding eighteen-year-olds at a truly alarming rate, and we got the voting age lowered to 18.

    Did they turn out in large numbers?

    No.

    I turned out. For me, winning the right to vote at age eighteen was golden.

    And since I have a memory, and had a mother, I liked voting as a woman. Suffragettes died to give me this right.

    As for the African-Americans…

    Ok, it’s fine.

    Peace!

  100. 100.

    Richard Bottoms

    May 12, 2008 at 5:44 am

    What the heck is a MUP?

  101. 101.

    Richard Bottoms

    May 12, 2008 at 5:55 am

    Exactly how many people read the No Quarter blog, because I only vaguely recall ever reading anything there in the last five years or so prior to looking in today which I did because somehow his/her opinion is _that_ important.

    They’re inconsequential, fuck em.

    The only thing that matters right now is raising a Grand Canyon full of money to beat McCain.

  102. 102.

    Paul

    May 12, 2008 at 7:11 am

    Richard Bottoms Says:

    What the heck is a MUP?

    MUP=Magical Unity Pony. Its a self-depreciating term appropriated by supporters of Obama to pre-self mock those who would mock Obama’s message.

  103. 103.

    jake

    May 12, 2008 at 7:51 am

    For rightwingers being laughed at is like have your soul stolen or your balls cut off.

    fRighties have neither. They do have rather delicate, bloated egos that are easily pierced by a few guffaws.

  104. 104.

    john b

    May 13, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I really don’t understand the comment bullshit at some other sites. Either have comments or don’t, and if you decide you want them, deal with the fact people are going to say stupid, offensive and idiotic things, and often they will be directed at you or things you like. Sometimes they will even be accurate.

    just wanted to reiterate this gem. more blog admins need to realize this.

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