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by John Cole|  September 18, 20086:45 am| 69 Comments

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The top news at memeorandum is the Palin email thing again, and that reminded me of a case from a few years back, but I can not remember the details.

Didn’t a prominent pol have his private cell phone calls about something get intercepted and recorded?

Or am I just making this up and thinking I am remembering it?

*** Update ***

Lot of suggestions, including the call in the movie Primary Colors, but I am sure it was the Jim McDermott/Newt Gingrich thing that I was thinking of.

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  1. 1.

    Moryfdd

    September 18, 2008 at 6:51 am

    I’ve forgotten how to embed a link and fear your wrath, but if you Google “Jim McDermott cell phone Newt Gingrich” you can easily find references to when someone taped Gingrich & Boehner chatting and gave it to McDermott.

  2. 2.

    David

    September 18, 2008 at 6:52 am

    Prince Charles, talking to Camilla….

  3. 3.

    Tim F.

    September 18, 2008 at 6:54 am

    John Aravosis posted a month of Wesley Clark’s phone records to make a point about privacy. He had Clark’s permission. There might have been someone else who had their records taken by a hostile party but if so I don’t remember it.

    You could also be thinking of how the government listens to every call you make.

  4. 4.

    Wick

    September 18, 2008 at 6:55 am

    If I recall correctly, some long-time Democratic activists, “just happened” to overhear Newt Gingrich’s cell phone conversations. IIRC, this happened shortly after Gingrich became speaker.

  5. 5.

    Anonymous JIm

    September 18, 2008 at 6:59 am

    You might be thinking of the republican house conference call regarding Gingrich ethics complaint that got intercepted and turned over to McDermott.

  6. 6.

    Eric Lee

    September 18, 2008 at 7:00 am

    I must say this is a great article i enjoyed reading it keep the good work :)

  7. 7.

    ploeg

    September 18, 2008 at 7:01 am

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/january97/cellular_1-14.html

    The Martins ultimately got in trouble for intercepting the cell phone call.

  8. 8.

    Suicidal Zebra

    September 18, 2008 at 7:02 am

    Yep, as Davis said you may be thinking of Prince Charles’ phone being tapped by the News of the World (a UK Tabloid)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6301243.stm

  9. 9.

    Anonymous JIm

    September 18, 2008 at 7:04 am

    As an aside, Obama and his official surrogates should express outrage, condemnation and a desire to fully prosecute the perpetrators of this to the full extent (which also happens to be the right thing to say). Unofficial surrogates (e.g. Begala) should stress that it is govermental malpractice to use a weak e-mail service for government business (which also happens to be true).

  10. 10.

    Suicidal Zebra

    September 18, 2008 at 7:04 am

    Yep, as Davis said you may be thinking of the phones of varous Royal Aides being tapped by the News of the World (a UK Tabloid)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6301243.stm

  11. 11.

    droog

    September 18, 2008 at 7:11 am

    I doubt this is what you were referring to, but there was a huge phone tapping scandal in Greece a few years ago.

  12. 12.

    liberal

    September 18, 2008 at 7:12 am

    ploeg wrote,

    The Martins ultimately got in trouble for intercepting the cell phone call.

    So did Jim McDermott.

  13. 13.

    Marshall

    September 18, 2008 at 7:13 am

    Hey, what happened to thread 11343, about Palin ?

  14. 14.

    liberal

    September 18, 2008 at 7:13 am

    There was also the case of a Republican congressional staffer who hacked into the Democrats’ files.

    Nothing ever happened to that criminal (IOKIYAR).

    His excuse was that the files weren’t secured.

    As long as the Democrats allow Republican criminals to escape punishment, things aren’t going to change much.

  15. 15.

    PonB

    September 18, 2008 at 7:16 am

    I think you’re thinking of the intercepted cell phone call in 1997 with Newt Gingrich…

    Newt’s Ethics

    – PonB

  16. 16.

    Davis X. Machina

    September 18, 2008 at 7:17 am

    The Florida cell-phone intercept case led to a decade-long ethics charge wrangle against Rep. McDermott (D-WA). The flap began in ’97, and spawned litigation that went all the way to the Supreme Court.

  17. 17.

    John

    September 18, 2008 at 7:19 am

    Paris Hilton.

  18. 18.

    smiley

    September 18, 2008 at 7:22 am

    Mark Foley?

  19. 19.

    Alex Knapp

    September 18, 2008 at 7:26 am

    You’re not thinking of the scenes in the movie Primary Colors are you?

  20. 20.

    TheFountainHead

    September 18, 2008 at 7:39 am

    I’m sorry, if you’re using yahoo mail over gmail you don’t get my vote on those grounds alone.

  21. 21.

    gbear

    September 18, 2008 at 7:41 am

    OT: John McCain can’t remember which continent Spain is on.

  22. 22.

    crack

    September 18, 2008 at 7:44 am

    Are you thinking of Kwame Kilpatrick’s text messages?

  23. 23.

    Ben K

    September 18, 2008 at 7:46 am

    I can only recall the plot point in “Primary Colors” — although there was a thing with Gingrich, too.

  24. 24.

    RoonieRoo

    September 18, 2008 at 7:56 am

    Remember Linda Tripp? But I think that was just recording conversations without the other end knowing.

  25. 25.

    Punchy

    September 18, 2008 at 7:57 am

    I think you’re thinking of how the govt illegally tapped Kerry’s phone in the fall of ’04 to get critical election campaign information…..

  26. 26.

    boonagain

    September 18, 2008 at 8:00 am

    If she had used AOL, then she should be impeached.

    (What happened to the Palin Thread?)

  27. 27.

    shpx.ohfu

    September 18, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Most notable in the RNC/Gingrich recorded ratfuck was the fact that Minority Leader Boner netted a cool million on publicly being caught lying to Congress.

  28. 28.

    Egilsson

    September 18, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Douglas Wilder in Virginia ran into this.

  29. 29.

    DrDave

    September 18, 2008 at 8:26 am

    There was also the case of a Republican congressional staffer who hacked into the Democrats’ files.

    From 2002-03, Republican staffers to the Senate Judiciary Committee hacked into the computers of Democratic members of the committee. When it was found out, the official GOP position was, “Too bad you didn’t have better security measures in place.”

    Charlie Savage reported the story for the Boston Globe.

    So here’s some irony for you. Manuel Miranda, who was the Senate staffer implicated in organizing this crime, is now serving as the Director of Legislative Statecraft at the US Embassy in Baghdad. He is responsible for instructing Iraqi lawyers and lawmakers on circumventing democratic principles.

  30. 30.

    GSD

    September 18, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Camp McCain is trying to fire up the GOP outrage mill over this matter.

    Sarah the Victim, look at poor Mother Sarah being attacked, even while she cares for her Down’s Syndrome child.

    They want the spotlight back on Sarah and away from McGaffe and his economic follies.

    -GSD

  31. 31.

    TheFountainHead

    September 18, 2008 at 8:35 am

    So I spent last night and this morning reading every statement Palin has made thus far. Well, at least all those I could find. I have to say, she has one of the most interesting (read: muddled) sentence construction and syntax of anyone whose speaking style I have studied. It’s fantastic the way she loops her sentences, finishing with the same clauses that she started her sentence with. She quite literally speaks in circles sometimes. No wonder they love her on the right.

  32. 32.

    Osama Von McIntyre

    September 18, 2008 at 8:37 am

    It was Mark Foley. His “text messages of love” to congressional pages were released, and that is when his world started to cave in.

  33. 33.

    Morfydd

    September 18, 2008 at 8:41 am

    I have to say, reading the screenshots of the inbox at Wikileaks, I’m appalled at the random jumble of personal and official emails.

    I have different work/personal/financial accounts for a reason, and even then have to be pretty aggressive with filtering into folders. I’m just not able to take the whiplash of “Please pay this bill”/”Hey there old friend!”/”So as we agreed at the Tuesday meeting…”

    Oh, and I’m appalled by the few email screenshots they had where clearly the only political issue she cared about was abortion. I’m a bad person, but I want screenshots of the emails marked “Ethics issue…”

  34. 34.

    El Tiburon

    September 18, 2008 at 8:56 am

    I think it was a staffer with Specter’s office who was stealing Democratic Senator’s e-mails dealing with the confirmation of Roberts.

  35. 35.

    El Tiburon

    September 18, 2008 at 8:57 am

    I think it was a staffer with Specter’s office who was stealing Democratic Senator’s e-mails dealing with the confirmation of Roberts.

  36. 36.

    John S.

    September 18, 2008 at 8:57 am

    So does anyone in the English-speaking world even realize that McCain either has no clue who Zapatero is or thinks he is the leader of a rogue nation (Spain) in South America?

  37. 37.

    cleek

    September 18, 2008 at 9:06 am

    So does anyone in the English-speaking world even realize that McCain either has no clue who Zapatero is or thinks he is the leader of a rogue nation (Spain) in South America?

    i’m going with:

    1. didn’t understand the question…
    2. … because he wasn’t really paying close attention …
    3. … and he couldn’t understand the questioner …
    4. … so he spouted off some canned response to what he thought the question was

  38. 38.

    Punchy

    September 18, 2008 at 9:06 am

    So does anyone in the English-speaking world even realize that McCain either has no clue who Zapatero is or thinks he is the leader of a rogue nation (Spain) in South America?

    No. This would require the McCanestream Media to report it. Which they would not dare. After all, he was a POW, and to ask such a question is clearly sexist.

  39. 39.

    r€nato

    September 18, 2008 at 9:30 am

    come on you guys, lay off McCain on the Zapatero thing.

    He wasn’t expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

  40. 40.

    chiggins

    September 18, 2008 at 9:34 am

    You must be thinking of Paris Hilton’s Sidekick, I remember you doing post after post about that Fred Durst character.

  41. 41.

    TheFountainHead

    September 18, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Don’t know if this has been linked here before, but I have to say that both Biden and Clinton do a very good job with this half-hour webcast on women’s issues. Watch it and try to imagine Palin and Gulliani doing this.

  42. 42.

    Equal Opportunity Cynic

    September 18, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Hey, what happened to thread 11343, about Palin ?

    Good question. I think the authorities asked that it be taken down because it reveals our plans for an impending military attack against Spain, and could give aid and comfort to Zapatero, the Zapatistas, and the rest of our enemies.

  43. 43.

    Bill Arnold

    September 18, 2008 at 9:47 am

    The break-into-account-using-password-recovery details were interesting. I seldom set up an account with password recovery details for this reason.

    No public figure should be using password-protected accounts which have recovery questions with easily guessed answered. Inexcusable.

  44. 44.

    SGEW

    September 18, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Well, in an eerie coincidence, Obama’s emails were leaked to the Onion earlier this week. You must click on the “interactive feature.” You must!

    On a related note: I seem to recall reading in Woodward’s State of Denial (or maybe Plan of Attack?) that Colin Powell, when he was the Sec. State, had a yahoo account (maybe even aol? can’t remember). Woodward was appalled, and described it as being as secure as shouting the sensitive information from the rooftops.

    Can’t find it in my hardcopy (stupid non-searchable medium!). Anyone else remember and/or have a link to searchable text?

  45. 45.

    rmp

    September 18, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Off topic.

    Is anyone else having problems with this site. I’ve tried ID, Firefox and Chrome and all of them are having intermittent problems.

  46. 46.

    rmp

    September 18, 2008 at 10:06 am

    duh, I obviously meant IE not ID.

  47. 47.

    SGEW

    September 18, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Is anyone else having problems with this site.

    No. This site is one of the most reliable sites on the interwebs. I hardly ever have a problem loading it.

    Wait . . . were you asking about “Balloon Juice” or everyone’s favorite site “WordPress > Error”?

    (sorry Mr. Cole! couldn’t resist)

  48. 48.

    smiley

    September 18, 2008 at 10:41 am

    rmp Says:

    Off topic.

    Is anyone else having problems with this site. I’ve tried ID, Firefox and Chrome and all of them are having intermittent problems.

    New here, eh? John is aware of the problems and doesn’t like to hear complaining about it.

  49. 49.

    LarryB

    September 18, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Glenn Greenwald weighs in on the hypocrisy of the Right’s hissy fit over this little prank:

    Still, it’s really a wondrous, and repugnant, sight to behold the Bush-following lynch mobs on the Right melodramatically defend the Virtues of Privacy and the Rule of Law.

    As always, it’s worth reading the whole thing.

  50. 50.

    Stuck in the Fun House

    September 18, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Is anyone else having problems with this site. I’ve tried ID, Firefox and Chrome and all of them are having intermittent problems.

    Do not touch the dial, the problems you are having are not in your computer. You have entered the Balloon Juice.

  51. 51.

    Paul L.

    September 18, 2008 at 11:05 am

    I await the outrage here on the chilling effect on Free Speech if some Reicht-winger posts the identity of the Palin email hacker.
    That and accusing of the Reicht-wing of picking on the hacker as John did with Graeme Frost.

  52. 52.

    demimondian

    September 18, 2008 at 11:07 am

    I await the outrage here on the chilling effect on Free Speech if some Reicht-winger posts the identity of the Palin email hacker.

    Of course, given that John has already expressed his fury about the break-in, your claim is perhaps a little la…

    Oh, look! A jackalope!

  53. 53.

    Punchy

    September 18, 2008 at 11:08 am

    New here, eh? John is aware of the problems and doesn’t like to hear complaining about it invoke “EARMUFFS!” to avoid dealing with the obvious.

    Fix’zilled my bizzle.

  54. 54.

    dslak

    September 18, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Why no mention of the Duke Lacrosse case?

  55. 55.

    whocoodanode

    September 18, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Mr. Cole is providing his diligent readers with a brilliant piece of performance art, sadly unrecognized as such. He is illustrating in real-time how Conservative governance works.

    1) Ignore the problem

    2) Ignore other people’s viewpoints/advice/suffering regarding the problem

    3) In wild panic throw random solutions at the problem

    4) Bitch at “complainers” and go back to ignoring the problem

    Thanks Mr. Cole. And for his finale, Mr. WordPress-Error will demonstrate the final Conservative denoument (until people forget yet again):

    5) Become laughingstock and poster child for said problem.

    Brilliant work, sir. Well done.

  56. 56.

    Paul L.

    September 18, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Of course, given that John has already expressed his fury about the break-in, your claim is perhaps a little la…

    John is not the only voice here.
    Glennzilla and his acolytes will condemn pursing/exposing the hacker as the right-wing “witchhunt”.

  57. 57.

    John S.

    September 18, 2008 at 11:51 am

    John is not the only voice here.

    You fucking moron.

    Just because you right-wingers are hypocrites on just about EVERYTHING doesn’t mean the rest of us are. The same people that were upset about the Democrats capitulating on FISA (due to privacy concerns) are also not thrilled that a government employee had their email hacked (although it certainly is poetic justice for the party of snooping). Everything isn’t about political convenience.

    That said, it was totally reckless for Palin to be conducting business through a Yahoo account.

  58. 58.

    r€nato

    September 18, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Glennzilla and his acolytes will condemn pursing/exposing the hacker as the right-wing “witchhunt”.

    Instead of predicting what Glennzilla will do, you could try going over to Salon.com and reading what he wrote about it.

    Then you could come back here and apologize for being such an asshole, and then we’ll explain to you the difference between a criminal act committed by a random group of computer geeks with no known political motivation, and stalking inspired by a political blogger determined to exact mob justice on a child.

  59. 59.

    SGEW

    September 18, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    . . . a random group of computer geeks with no known political motivation . . . .

    Not true. It is well established that 4chan supports Bong Hits 4 Jesus.

  60. 60.

    John S.

    September 18, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Then you could come back here and apologize for being such an asshole

    Won’t happen. Paul L. chooses to be an unprincipled GOP hack, and therefore has no grasp on reality, as further indicated by the Great Orange Satan himself:

    It’s not cute, funny, righteous, or justifiable in any way. This is just as odious as the gross violations that spurred the FISA battle. I hope whoever hacked into her email gets caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    At least one Republican personally knows how it feels to have someone look into her private communications without proper cause or approval. It would be nice if that spurred a renewed conservative embrace of privacy issues and support for those key Constitutional principles designed to protect us from the tyranny of government.

    But I won’t hold my breath.

    You see! Glenzilla’s acolyte condemns exposing the…

  61. 61.

    Tony J

    September 18, 2008 at 12:52 pm

    It’s been mentioned elsewhere that, whatever else happens regarding the hacking of Palin’s Yahoo account, you can bet the farm on the McPalin Campaign, a) Wiping every copy of the e-mails they can find on the grounds that “It would be irresponsible not to”, and b) Claiming that anything incriminating revealed in the e-mails they can’t wipe should be ignored, on the grounds that “Liberal web-ninjas have obviously inserted them to make the Governor look bad”.

    I’d expect both of these things to occur within the next few days, backed by a cacophany of “Waaaahhhh! Privacy is a Konstitutional Right! Why do these Libtards hate America?“

  62. 62.

    r€nato

    September 18, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    I am a lot more concerned about the government prying into my email than a random group of hackers. At least the hackers are far, far more likely to be prosecuted and don’t have the resources of the CIA, NSA, DoJ etc standing behind them.

    A dozen Republicans commit murder, a single Democrat jaywalks, and a wingnut says, ‘see? Democrats are just as bad as Republicans! Win!’

  63. 63.

    Bootlegger

    September 18, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    Oh the beauty of the End Times. It seems that at least one member of the Christ Death Cult casts Obama as the Antichrist and Palin as the Savior.

    Barack On the surface, it appears attributable only to his eloquent oratory and his race. But an invisible factor may be a strong spiritual force behind him, causing some people to actually swoon in his presence…

    Last week at Obama’s acceptance speech, that spirit exalted itself in front of a Greek temple-like stage, and to a huge audience like in a Roman arena. Obama was portrayed as god-like. His voice thundered as a god’s voice.

    At the end, Democratic sympathizer Pastor Joel Hunter gave the benediction and shockingly invited everyone to close the prayer to their own (false) gods.

    God was not pleased…

    Enter Governor Sarah Palin. With incredible timing, the very next day, Sarah Palin also appeared out of nowhere…

    We quickly learned that Sarah is a born-again, Spirit-filled Christian, attends church, and has been a ministry worker.

    Sarah is that standard God has raised up to stop the flood. She has the anointing. You can tell by how the dogs are already viciously attacking her. But they will not be successful. She knows the One she serves and will not be intimidated.

    Dammit, I wanted to be the Antichrist! Can I settle for Lord of the Flies?

  64. 64.

    SGEW

    September 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Obama as the Antichrist

    Don’t worry about it. Don’t you know that Tim LaHaye, creator of the “Left Behind” series, has publicly stated that Obama isn’t the Antichrist?

    Christian News Wire:

    “I can see by the language he uses why people think he could be the antichrist,” adds LaHaye, “but from my reading of scripture, he doesn’t meet the criteria. There is no indication in the Bible that the antichrist will be an American.”

    So, as long as Barack Hussein Saddam Osama Bin Satan is an American, there’s no problem.

    And, as has been said repeatedly, Obama is an American . . . AS FAR AS WE KNOW!!1eleven!

  65. 65.

    bootlegger

    September 18, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    Don’t worry about it. Don’t you know that Tim LaHaye, creator of the “Left Behind” series, has publicly stated that Obama isn’t the Antichrist?

    I read that story when it came out. But the thing of it is, according to the Christ Death Cult’s legends, the Antichrist is a great Deceiver who can make people see things that aren’t really there. So, you wee, LaHaye was mind-controlled by Obama to write that.

  66. 66.

    SGEW

    September 18, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    LaHaye was mind-controlled by Obama to write that.

    Of course! It’s all so clear now!

    Hey gabba gabba hey.

  67. 67.

    Chris Johnson

    September 18, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I await the outrage here on the chilling effect on Free Speech if some Reicht-winger posts the identity of the Palin email hacker

    Yeah, right. That was Anonymous. Anonymous pokes SCIENTOLOGY with sticks to see what will happen. Compared to that, rightwingers are wusses.

  68. 68.

    Tsulagi

    September 18, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Obama as the Antichrist

    There is no indication in the Bible that the antichrist will be an American.”

    So, as long as Barack Hussein Saddam Osama Bin Satan is an American, there’s no problem.

    Leaving aside the coverup of his birth records, was Hawaii a state when the Bible was written? I think not. Could also explain why he doesn’t wear an American flag lapel pin. It’s like holy water.

  69. 69.

    PeterJ

    September 18, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    Well, in an eerie coincidence, Obama’s emails were leaked to the Onion earlier this week. You must click on the “interactive feature.” You must!

    Obama’s mom is sending him emails from heaven? Maybe he really is “The One”(tm)?
    Also, I find it a bit sad that they have to rely on VHS in the afterlife…

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