Do we get to pick sides in the coming race war, or are teams automatically assigned by race? Or will there be room for trades:
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I honestly don’t understand why Sullivan does not realize that no, they do not care what they are doing. This has been going on for years, and with Obama, ever since he announced. This is what the Mulsim nonsense, the birther nonsense, the hard-working white Americans stuff, and the chants of “I want my country back” are all about. As Tim noted, “Barack Obama stripped millions of Americans of their right to not have a black President.”
Jacy
In breaking news, Sullivan is shocked — shocked! — that gambling is going on in this establishment.
I swear he must have a nasty case of whiplash from doing abrupt about-faces several times a day.
And yes, the Republican party IS the party of racist motherfuckers. Hell, my Republican inlaws are racist motherfuckers. You know the trick to not being tagged as a racist? DON’T SPEND ALL YOUR TIME AND ENERGY BEING RACIST.
Sorry, this is really starting to piss me off.
Legalize
I want to be on a team with Chappelle, but not Kanye.
Tzal
Laugh all you want, the Acorn scandle will surely bring down Obama’s presidency. Also.
maye
I agree with all you said up to the “I want my country back” thing. Only because Howard Dean used to say that too.
The Moar You Know
What’s this “any more” bullshit? The post-Reagan Republican party has done nothing but racebait for their entire existence. Willie Horton, anyone?
Goddamn, it’s amazing what it takes for some people to finally see the light.
Legalize
The comments at Riehl’s site are pretty funny. Danny got mad and closed the comments as per usual.
Rey
I’m so pi$$’d at Chappelle for being a pussy and not re-signing his contract with Comedy Central. I know it’s been over 3 yrs but, it still makes me angry. Stewart and Colbert are great but, we really need Chappelle’s comedy to make fun of all this race BS and the first half-black President.
btw, this is my fave Chappelle segment…
Joe Lisboa
The comments at Riehl’s site are pretty funny.
For certain values of “funny,” maybe. I dunno, but I want my click-through back. Shorter Riehl: I can haz white privilege?
Leelee for Obama
To paraphrase Patrick Henry-As for me, give me the Rainbow, or give me death. I know I’d never side with these asshats on the right. As a child who grew up in the 50s and 60s, I had lots of opportunities to wonder what I would’ve done if I were in Europe under Hitler. I came down on the side of the helpers of the oppressed right early, and I’ve never changed my mind since. In fact, I just expanded my circle of friends. I always wondered how I’d ever have a large enough attic.
General Winfield Stuck
The southern wingnut worships the Old Testament Constitution that clearly states negro’s are 3/5 human, and 4/5 work mule/wingnut math. Obama can still be presnit, he just has to plow faster.
freelancer
“Hey Bill, Race War! You can be Captain, I’m gonna be Sergeant!“
J.W. Hamner
After watching that draft I feel like we should have Balloon Juice Fantasy Race War League.
Trinity
Welcome to America Sully!
Tzal
@Joe Lisboa: It appears that Riehl has been posting primarily about the issue of race lately. Having been nearly heckled and hypothetically beaten up on the DC Metro, he is an expert on the subject.
cmorenc
The GOP started down this road with Nixon’s “Southern Stragtegy” in 1968, continued with Reagan kicking off his 1980 general election campaign for President in Philadelphia, Mississippi (town notorious for slaying of three civil rights workers in early 1960s with active involvement of law enforcement officers)…and with Bush Sr’s use of “Willie Horton” ads in 1992, and with concerted effort to disenfranchise black voters in Florida in 2000 by Fla Sec of State Kathleen Harris, well before her more notorious role in the election count itself.
This cynical strategy doesn’t of course require that even the majority of Republicans across the country be racists or implicit race-baiters themselves – only that the GOP leadership be silently complicit in use of these tactics in order to gain a crucial electoral edge toward a controlling conservative block in congress, or the Presidency, or state house, or whatever in furtherance of nonracial ideological goals which they see important enough to further that winking at racist elements and cynical individual campaign tactics is tolerable.
Many in the GOP hold the fervent belief that ANY progressives beyond a token minority are illegitimate usurpers of government power, most especially if they are black, UNLESS perhaps they toe the strict GOP line on conservative principles. Um…there used to be a name for that starting with “Uncle”.
TheFountainHead
Why do you have to post this an hour before lunchtime?? Now all I desire in the world is some fried chicken!!
Damn you, John, damn you to heck!
GregB
Ronald Reagan kicked off his presidential campaign in Philadelphia Mississippi and talked about states’ rights.
Philadelphia is the town where the three civil rights workers, Cheney, Schwerner and Goodman were killed.
But that had nothing to do with race-baiting or dogwhistles whatsoever………..Right Sully?
-G
Maus
“I honestly don’t understand why Sullivan does not realize”
Why do people make excuse after excuse for Sullivan being a shill?
People can be perfectly rational about some things but completely miss the fucking point (or intentionally look past it). This is the same reason why we have Republicans, Blue Dogs, Reid, Pelosi, and hell, most of congress.
Stop reading things into him that don’t exist. He’s a fairly inoffensive conservative that supports some progressive goals but he remains an unapologetic conservative.
slag
@Jacy: @Trinity: I know it’s a cliche, but I am starting to think that Andrew Sullivan may, in fact, have been born yesterday.
Maus
Or at the very best a concern troll for hire.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Tzal:
I would rather light a single scandle than to curse the darkies. But as a good wingnut, I’ll do both.
HumboldtBlue
Yeah, the guy who actively promoted the Bell Curve is certainly the fellow to turn to when discussing race in this nation. What a fucking twit. It’s like he never heard of Strom Thurmond or Jesse helms. What a wanker
Ash Can
I agree that Sullivan sounds pretty naive in this article. But I also believe that the more the racist RW celebrities such as Limbaugh and Malkin are called out on their racism in the (more or less) main stream press, the better off we are as a whole. I mean, really — Rush Limbaugh is in the Broadcasting Hall of Fame, for fuck’s sake, and Michelle Malkin gets invited onto news commentary programs as a legitimate commentator. That’s bullshit. They should rightfully get kicked to the curb. If it’s starting to happen now, and if Sully’s article is a part of that process, then better late than never.
Bill E Pilgrim
@J.W. Hamner:
After watching that draft I feel like we should have Balloon Juice Fantasy Race War League.
God that’s funny. Okay let’s see, we can have Balloon Blacks, Balloon Whites, and the best of all: Balloon Jews.
General Winfield Stuck
@Tzal:
They have a crazy woman prostitute on tape confessing to the Lindhberg kidnapping and the JFK assassination, when they tease out she’s been working as Obama’s spywhore for Colonel Sanders secret recipe, then he’s a goner.
slag
There will always be room for trades.
The Moar You Know
@Rey: Chappelle is a very smart and fairly sensitive/fragile guy who made it in a business that is as brutal and cutthroat as it gets. I’d rather see him stay sane, healthy and alive then see him on my TV. Good for him for getting out while the getting was good, and I hope he’s found some happiness and stability.
whetstone
@HumboldtBlue
Amen. I’m still stunned that someone who promoted that racist pseudoscience (and remains proud of himself for doing so!) not only writes for the Atlantic but is considered some kind of authority on race.
If Sullivan’s so damned surprised that *they* don’t care what they’re doing, maybe he should look at his history of promoting classier racism and wonder what made him do it. Was it the attention, Andrew?
winguts to iraq
I want my country back, too! Back to pre-Reagan marginal tax rates!
slag
@Joe Lisboa: If we offered Latinos the entire Sheen family, do you think we could get them to take BOB too?
cmorenc
BE CAREFUL about equating the Teabagger movement across-the-board with racism. No question that Teabaggers are, in general, a bunch of deluded wingnuts and ideologues. No question that there are plenty among them who harbor racist-tinged animosity against Obama.
However, be aware that the latter (racist tinged) are effectively using the general Teabagger movement against big government etc. as protective cover. Accusations that the Teabagger movement as a whole are racist will be met be met with outraged denials by plenty of folks who are bona fide not racists themselves, but simply plenty outraged against their fevered imagination that Obama represents the onset of explicit socialism in this country etc.
The GOP (and right wing in general) is expert at playing this shell game. See Michael Steel? Clarence Thomas? JC Watts? “No, we’re not racists, and this proves it”. This plausible deniability lends cover to the fact that conservatism and the GOP do suffer a bona fide infection with a virulently racist virus, much the same way a person infected with HIV can appear in many ways perfectly healthy and normal. Over-broad rhetoric from the progressive side actually helps, not undermines the race-baiters like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck et. al.
I’m not defending the delusions of and dangers posed by the Teabagging movement. However, these are not one and the same as the dangers posed by the many racists among them, and lumping the two together as identical helps provide cover for the really most pathologically nasty among them.
Xenos
@winguts to iraq: I would be willing to settle for Eisenhower-era tax rates. We can crank up the Rockabilly and watch a Happy Days marathon to pass the time as we allow the national finances rebalance like magic.
Svensker
Boy howdy, Dan Riehl certainly got his feelings hurt, didn’t he. He wants all us commie scum to die because of it, too. (Need I add, also?)
bellatrys
What freelancer said. Also Joe Lisboa. And what the Principal said, of course.
ulee
It’s going to get much worse from here, I think. If the dems do pass health care legislation it’ll be a call to arms.
phoebesmother
Ho boy … guess ol’BOB hasn’t read Gangs of New York or Oliver Twist lately. I’m purty tired of hearing ’bout metallic vs. non-metallic cultures too. Just about as accurate as the gang statistics. I know he’s our fav’ entertainment around here but maybe it’s time to advertise for a better troll.
Little Dreamer
This white woman will be proud to stand side by side with those colorful others opposing this pack of crazed racist lunatic wolves masqerading in sheepskins.
gnomedad
@cmorenc:
JC Watts was their poster boy for a while, but didn’t he go Galt on them? Is the a single elected black Republican in the Federal government? Anywhere?
Persia
@Legalize: Fuck it, I’m with Kanye if it means I get to throw rocks at Glen Beck.
Zifnab
@cmorenc: The Teabagger movement is a group of people willing to protest legislation designed to lower the price of health insurance because it will a) create death panels to kill Grandma, b) be too mean to insurance company profiteers, and c) make the GOP look bad. They scream “socialism!” when Obama bails out a bank, and “socialism” when Obama doesn’t rush to deregulate that same bank. They get all worked up over illegal immigration while bashing unions and defending businesses that operate primarily in China. And they rabidly support Glenn Beck.
In short, they are willing to protest just about anything so long as FOX News and the GOP goads them to do it. That they aren’t officially racists yet just means they haven’t been goaded into becoming racists yet. But the moment Sean Hannity or Newt Gingrich or Glenn Beck gives the word, those Klan robes and tree ropes and burning crosses will come out in droves.
Zifnab
@cmorenc: The Teabagger movement is a group of people willing to protest legislation designed to lower the price of health insurance because it will a) create death panels to kill Grandma, b) be too mean to insurance company profiteers, and c) make the GOP look bad. They scream “soc ialism!” when Obama bails out a bank, and “soci alism” when Obama doesn’t rush to deregulate that same bank. They get all worked up over illegal immigration while bashing unions and defending businesses that operate primarily in China. And they rabidly support Glenn Beck.
In short, they are willing to protest just about anything so long as FOX News and the GOP goads them to do it. That they aren’t officially racists yet just means they haven’t been goaded into becoming racists yet. But the moment Sean Hannity or Newt Gingrich or Glenn Beck gives the word, those Klan robes and tree ropes and burning crosses will come out in droves.
RareSanity
@Rey:
According to his “Inside the Actor’s Studio” interview, Comedy Central was using the enormous price of the contract as justification to assert more control over the content of the show.
If he would have continued, the show would have been a shell of its former self. Focusing more on least common denominator type comedy to increase ratings.
I miss the show too. But, I think he absolutely did the right thing.
Little Dreamer
@cmorenc:
Look into the crowd of any right wing gathering and the occasional black person looks like pepper on rice – It just means there are a few people who have deluded themselves into believing it’s not about race when it most certainly is. We might as well call them the “white wing”.
Right wing whites don’t want the hispanic vote anymore either – same thing, they don’t want those they would consider lowlifes of different colors in their fold. They are pushing out those who don’t believe as they believe, and they are making their tent smaller (and thaqt suits me just fine).
I once knew a woman who stated she wasn’t a racist, yet every time she spoke about a colored person she used the N word (and she attended one of those big fancy “word of life” type evangelical power churches every sunday too).
Just because someone denies truth doesn’t mean it’s not true.
gnomedad
I wonder what the response would if the meme got going that liberals are buying guns. No doubt we’d be saluted for exercising our 2nd Amendment rights.
waynet
see this is a racial motivated attack – bc he was, like, yelling racial slurs…
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20940073/detail.html
drillfork
@RareSanity:
Really, Chappelle went Galt on our asses. I miss him…
TheFountainHead
Sully continues to be shocked: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/mo.html
Martin
Bullshit. If these motherfuckers can’t think their way out of their own irrational hatred, they don’t deserve us protecting their delicate sensibilities. If any of these assholes bothered to protest a $1T+ war or the largest expansion of Medicare without a funding provision, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt, but they all sat back and cheered when that shit went down.
Little Dreamer
@gnomedad:
How many black CEO’s or CFO’s are there out of all the fortune 500 companies. I could be wrong, but something tells me probably not many.
noncarborundum
@maye: I agree. I badly (and vocally) wanted my country back during the Bush years. Sadly, in many ways (lack of torture prosecutions, funneling detainees to Bagram to deny habeas, etc.) I still want it back.
John T
Remember Chris Rock’s infamous bit that went something like, “On the one hand you have black people, and on the other hand you have [a very impolite word for black people I disapprove of]”? I hate that bit. But all of this clownhall-9/12-teabaggery bullshit makes me think that someone should come up with a comedy routine about the difference between white people and crackers.
Also, I wonder how long it will be before Serious People have to start spelling cracker as “cr****r” or “the C-word”.
(for the record, I am white)
Martin
And let’s not overlook the little fact that the teabaggers (Taxed Enough Already) started out protesting Obama tax hikes when he was clearly cutting them. Not even from the first moment has this movement been honest about their intentions.
scav
@Bill E Pilgrim: ahh
scav
well, that was interesting.
Zifnab
@TheFountainHead: That’s a neat cover and an excellent precursor to the “I have no idea what you are talking about” fit he’ll go into five or ten years down the line.
Really not hard to see how he’s a gay Republican, when he can tacitly defend FOX News race-baiters from those insidious Congressmen who dare to connect the dots on where the Beck nonsense is headed.
I eagerly await a “libertarians would have given us an end to DODT and DOMA” sometime in the near future.
Little Dreamer
@Bill E Pilgrim:
Sorry, Balloon Jews are in a glass of their own.
(I’m gonna come to regret that, I think, but I just couldn’t help myself).
Persia
@TheFountainHead: The comments on that Reason post are a cesspit. “Stop talking sense to us! Also!”
gwangung
@Martin:
It depends on whether you’re dealing with an individual or a mass.
They’re certainly racist—but they’re still thinking of racism as a binary thing, as either angels or white-sheet, cross burning, lynching bigots. They’re not getting the point that racism is a continuum and that they’re really pretty far down that slippery slope to the cross burning.
freelancer
scrubbed. odd.
Jason B at Work
@RareSanity: Agree completely. Although I do wish the experience hadn’t apparently soured his whole regard for the business. Chappelle was such a huge cultural influence in such a short period of time, I think that must have been a little scary to him as well.
Tom Ashbrook did a segment on the supposed decline of civility in American culture on this morning’s episode of On Point….I appreciated the premise of the show and was glad that there are still people on the radio who speak for civility, but do we really have to listen to Camille Paglia badmouth the Democrats (while she simultaneously identifies herself as such), piss on Obama’s agenda, etc. Even Tom was nervously tittering at her by the end, it was simply stunning, the level of commitment she has to breaking the back of her own party. I had never before heard he speak, and let me just say, if Tom has a face for radio, she certainly has a voice for literature, if you get my meaning.
slag
@John T: Interestingly, Barack Obama made a similar comparison in Dreams from My Father. When he encountered a basketball coach who said there were “black folks” and there were “n…s”, his eventual response was, “There are white folks, and there are ignorant mother f*&#ers like you”. Hilarious. I use that line all the time. For example, “There are white folks, and there are ignorant mother f&$#ers like Byron York.” And for whatever reason, doing so makes me feel a little better about the world.
Brachiator
@gnomedad:
Oddly enough, the Bush cabinet had a good amount of ethnic diversity (more than the party overall). And Dubya seemed to lack a need to demonize Americans because of their ethnicity. Unfortunately, cronyism and personal loyalty were big deals to him.
And McCain had been smeared by GOP racists in an earlier presidential primary. It was another sad sign that he had sold out his principles to feed his ambition that he did not more clearly kick these people to the curb in the 2008 campaign.
And its not just that the GOP has few elected blacks in high office. The GOP has lost the East Coast, and I recall seeing a news piece about how the Senate was now without a Jewish Republican for the first time since 1957.
RareSanity
@Jason B at Work:
One can only hope that after thought and deliberation, he will conclude that what happened to him, is exactly why he the industry needs more stars like him.
“I don’t care how much money you are paying me, it’s my show! If you insist on trying to define what my show is, I quit!”
Maybe you would see less of the great shows that just inevitably degrade in quality over time.
freelancer
@Little Dreamer:
L’chaim!
Svensker
@waynet:
see this is a racial motivated attack – bc he was, like, yelling racial slurs…
As Rush says, it’s Obama’s America, where white folks aren’t even safe going into a Crackerbarrel without one of them blacks mouthing off. KWIM?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@winguts to iraq:
Fixt.
gnomedad
@Brachiator:
Yes, I give him props for that. That’s why I emphasized “elected”. My impression (too lazy to research it) is that there used to be a handful of elected black Republicans, but the Repubs have gone too batshit insane to hold on to any of them.
Little Dreamer
After reading that Sadly No link, I’m under the impression Danny boy’s scary black kids probably weren’t even paying attention to him and his teabagging friends at all. Sounds like it was an imagined scenario to me.
Da Bomb
I am shocked that Sully finally gets it. He’s the Bell Curve King. So apparently when it comes to race relations, he keeps his head up his ass.
Republicans have actually been race-baiting since Nixon. This isn’t some post-Reagan concept. The concept of the Silent Majority? Lee Atwater anyone?
It is sad that there hasn’t been any republican leaders who have denounced this behavior. Jimmy Carter is 84 years old, he doesn’t give a damn about what people will say or think of him for being brutually honest.
I have more respect for David Duke , than these damn teabaggers because at least he owns his racism and I know he hates someone like me. I don’t have to doubt it. It’s the quiet ones, I am most afraid of.
Dave Pooser
So since I got called a traitor to my race back in Ohio when I was canvassing for the Obama campaign, does that mean I got waived by the white team and am now a free agent (having cleared waivers)? If so, does that make a punk 17-year-old racist kid in Ohio the white team’s GM? Because now that I think about it, that could explain Strom Thurmond and George Bush and a whole bunch of other questionable draft moves….
grendelkhan
Look, Lieberman may not actually have an “R” next to his name, but that doesn’t mean he’s not more Republican than otherwise.
Malron
@Rey: I’m really not sure how walking away from a multimillion dollar contract because you’re afraid of losing creative control qualifies as “being a pussy.”
That said, its nice to know that we’ve finally gotten past the denial stage about the right’s racism. A few months ago every post that referenced this act would have started out with “I don’t think he’s really being a racist, but….”
Wile E. Quixote
If the Republicans came out tomorrow with a platform that legalized gay marriage and dope smoking while repealing the Civil Rights act of 1964, and the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments and increasing torture Andrew Sullivan would repudiate everything he’s written in the last few years and jump right back on the Republican bandwagon.
We’re stuck with that racist, Tory bastard John Derbyshire because we didn’t enforce our immigration laws, too bad that we didn’t enforce them when Andy got busted for smoking dope and send his ass back to Blighty. The last thing America needs is another white douche-bag with a massive sense of entitlement.
Flugelhorn
You are off your rocker buddy. Chants of “I want my country back!” have nothing to do with the fact the guy is black. It is an easy trump for you guys to play. You’ve been doing it for years.
People have been using that same chant for a long time. I think even Howard Dean used it before he had an aneurism during his campaign.
Keep trying to pidgeon hole conservatives into your neat little “Repub-tard” and “Racist” boxes. I encourage it. You absolutely do NOT see us coming and you think you do. This is why you will fail.
gwangung
@Flugelhorn: I don’t think so.
Check this list out .
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
If you’re not racists, then STOP ACTING LIKE RACISTS.
Throwin Stones
Love this clip. I miss Chappelle too, but he absolutely did the right thing for himself and his family. I get an occasional sighting in Yellow Springs.
Midnight Marauder
@Flugelhorn:
You absolutely do NOT see us coming and you think you do. This is why you will fail.
LOLWUT?
We don’t see you coming? All we do is see you idiots coming, waving your silly “OBAMA=NAZI” signs and screaming about “KEEP GUVMINT OUT OF MEDICARE!” That’s pretty much what most of the site is devoted to; noticing idiots like you, discussing idiots like you, and then laughing at idiots at you.
And “this is why you will fail”? Did you forget about the previous elections in this country the past few years? The ones where your party and ideology were SOUNDLY rejected by the American people? You guys are delightful in your naivety.
EvolutionaryDesign
@Flugelhorn: So explain why you “want your country back”. At least we “wanted it back” because we were pissed at illegal torture, unnecessary war, and the funneling of taxpayer dollars to the wealthy. And don’t give me that “taxed enough already” crap. Obama ain’t raising your taxes. And don’t give me the fiscal conservative nonsense either, because that ship sailed 6 years ago.
gil mann
I’m really not sure how walking away from a multimillion dollar contract because you’re afraid of losing creative control qualifies as “being a pussy.”
The creative control angle’s news to me; I’d always heard he bugged out because white people liked the show for the wrong reasons, kinda like how Chris rock had to deal with fratboy fans seeing Bring the Pain and saying “You hate niggers too? That’s great!”
Thing is, Chappelle got religion in the interim, so as much as I miss his voice, I don’t know that I’m looking for a comeback. Comedians of faith are worse than prop comics.
Little Dreamer
@Midnight Marauder:
Don’t forget to mention that the younger generation that we are producing in this country is more non-white and more liberal. Rightwingers rejected those types in their tent, so we are growing them in ours. We are slowly winning the permanent popularity contest. I expect in another two hundred years, if our offspring live that long and don’t get caught up in a right winger’s nuclear fantasy war, people will be arguing about whether moderate democracy is better than more extreme versions – Republicanism (and all of it’s hideous ideals) will be unfathomable.
Midnight Marauder
@gil mann:
Thing is, Chappelle got religion in the interim, so as much as I miss his voice, I don’t know that I’m looking for a comeback. Comedians of faith are worse than prop comics.
No, he didn’t. Chappelle has been a Muslim for quite some time, well before the breakdown during Season 3. It was just news to the public because that was the first time he revealed it in an interview (the one with Newsweek).
Midnight Marauder
@Little Dreamer:
Don’t forget to mention that the younger generation that we are producing in this country is more non-white and more liberal. Rightwingers rejected those types in their tent, so we are growing them in ours. We are slowly winning the permanent popularity contest. I expect in another two hundred years, if our offspring live that long and don’t get caught up in a right winger’s nuclear fantasy war, people will be arguing about whether moderate democracy is better than more extreme versions – Republicanism (and all of it’s hideous ideals) will be unfathomable.
Absolutely. That’s one thing I think that gets lots in all of the madness surrounding the actions of these Obstructionist Assholes. Sure, they may think they’re making some kind of small resurgence in 2010, but what about every year and election after that?
Every time one of these morons gets on television and spouts off more bullshit, the youth of this country thinks “Oh, that’s right. I almost forgot how crazy and detrimental you guys are to this country’s long-term well-being. Silly me.”
RareSanity
@Flugelhorn:
The problem with conservatives is the country they “want back”, has never existed.
Andy Griffith was a sit-com, not a documentary.
satby
@Midnight Marauder:
Or as my 14 YO neice and her friends say “what is WRONG with those people?”
asiangrrlMN
Wu Tang Clan! Konichiwa, bitchez!
Balloon Asians????? Where my posse at?
Oh, and we give away Michelle Malkin to anyone who wants her.
And, anyone who says the teabaggers are about fiscal responsibility, yeah, where were they the last eight years? Definitely not teabagging. Which, by the way, as an official member of the Balloon Asians, I am reclaiming tea. You whiteys keep your hands off it! Except for the Brits, of course.
As for Sully, Benen posted this over at WaMo, and I was not impressed. I mean, all Sully’s huffy outrage over Limbaugh would hold water if he had done it years ago and, as people have pointed out, if he wasn’t an ardent fan of The Bell Curve.
We poc (people of color) have been saying for years how racist the GOP is. I guess it takes a conservative white guy to say it before it gains any traction.
asiangrrlMN
Hey, show biz is fucking tough. Kudos to Chapelle if he realized he was much saner outside of it than inside it.
Trinity
@asiangrrlMN: you are hilarious! I’m a chocolate chip but can I be down with the Balloon Asian posse??
Yeah, Sully seems to have conveniently forgot his part in the Bell Curve nonsense. I just can’t take him seriously. Ever since he tipped his toe into the birther pond I’ve stopped reading him altogether. Like you said, the GOP has been off-the-rails racist for a long long time. It is no surprise that they don’t have any substantial Hispanic or Black support.
Sully is either naive or an idiot….or both.
Persia
@asiangrrlMN: Yeah. I miss the show but I’m glad to not have another famous, talented person turn into a headline or a joke.
redoubt
@waynet:
I’ve been to this Cracker Barrel. Good job by the local police; this one is kind of off an access road and can be hard to get to.
asiangrrlMN
@Trinity: I lean towards idiot myself, but I’ve never been enamored of him in the slightest.
The Balloon Juice Asians would be honored to have you and your love of Def Leppard in our posse! Let’s see. Who we gotta trade for you? How about a pirated copy of Rush Hour? Will that do?
@Persia: I am in wholehearted agreement. At least there are DVDs of the show. And, maybe, sometime in the future, Chapelle will come back to the biz in some way or the other. If not, I hope he has a peaceful life.
redoubt
@Flugelhorn:
“Your country? Whence came it yours? Before the Pilgrims landed we were here.” W.E.B. Dubois, The Souls of Black Folk
LD50
@satby: Indeed. The GOP is still fighting the sixties, or, in some places, the Civil War. To say that this makes no sense to the vast majority of up and coming voters is an understatement.
LD50
@Flugelhorn:
If you guys have some fiendishly clever master plan for conquering the country, how come you didn’t deploy it in ’06 and ’08?
Da Bomb
@Trinity: I would have to say that Sully is definitely both. He’s an idiot and naive.
tamied
@Bill E Pilgrim: I’m on the floor here.
Wile E. Quixote
@Flugelhorn
OK, so it looks that we need to add some more neat little pigeon holes for conservatives. We need a pigeonhole for conservatives who can’t spell “pigeon” and we need a pigeonhole for conservatives who believe that magical stealth ninjas or pixies or fairies (given Mark Foley and Larry Craig I’m going to go with fairies) are going to come out of nowhere and defeat all of us DFHs and usher in a wonderful conservative utopia. Are there any pigeonholes I’m missing?
Oh, and while we’re on the subject of pigeonholes the online Merriam Webster’s offers the following as one of the definitions of a pigeonhole, a neat category which usually fails to reflect actual complexities. I’d really like to know what actual complexities conservatives have other than racism, stupidity, a complete and total unwillingness to accept responsibility for their failures, mindless deference to authority (as long as it’s white, male, conservative authority) and a generalized fear and hatred of anything or anyone they consider as “the other”. Could you enlighten me?
Wile E. Quixote
@Midnight Marauder
No, you don’t understand, see the failures of the Bush administration and the losses of the Republican Party in 2006 and 2008 and the election of Obama are part of a conservative master plan which will be implemented by conservative stealth ninjas who we will never see coming because they’re, well they’re ninjas damnit!
Oh, and the reason why the Republicans lost in 2006 and 2008 is because they weren’t really conservatives, and the reason why John McCain lost in 2008 is because he wasn’t really a conservative. And because of the liberal media, and George Soros and ACORN, and because the people who didn’t vote for McCain aren’t real Americans, because real Americans live in small towns and are conservative, and white.
Nellcote
@asiangrrlMN:
>Balloon Asians????? Where my posse at?
Seeing as how Asian dominates in my personal mix, can I be part of your gang? Or do multi/bi racials have to keep walking the line?
ps.The Native American part of me is screaming “I want my country back!”
Nellcote
>You absolutely do NOT see us coming and you think you do.
This is clearly a reference to the 2 million teabaggers in DC of which we only saw about 70K. LOL!!!
asiangrrlMN
@Nellcote: You can be a part of my posse as long as you can use chopsticks and you got better than a B+ in Calculus. However, if the Native American posse wants you, I’m willing to see what they’re willing to trade for you. ;)
@Wile E. Quixote: You, my friend, absolutely slay me. Wanna be part of my posse?
P.S. I know we got gwangung, gex, geg6, and my fake-hubby #2, Yutsano, plus a few more. Holla at a yella sistah!
asiangrrlMN
@Nellcote: They need to get their Medicare to buy them new glasses! Ha!
gwangung
Yo.
Far as I’m concerned, you’re welcome with me, any time. (and multi-racials get to walk whatever line wherever they want).
Mnemosyne
So if we’re forming posses, do I have to get stuck with the WASPs because we’re all white, or can we form a separate Irish and/or Italian posse? We’ll have better beer and better food than the WASPs will!
LD50
Last I heard, the overwhelming majority of them were white, too. Does that count as a ‘complexity’?
Svensker
@Mnemosyne:
We’ll have better beer and better food than the WASPs will!
I know a diss on lutefisk when I hear one. Better not be riding no subway when I’m around, white boy.
Makewi
This is the fringe argument. The idea that the only people opposed to the POTUS are racists or that these kids on the train were objectionable because they were black rather than because they were loudmouthed teenagers.
The country generally disagrees, so good luck with that.
Elie
Wile E. Quixote @ 96
“OK, so it looks that we need to add some more neat little pigeon holes for conservatives. We need a pigeonhole for conservatives who can’t spell “pigeon” and we need a pigeonhole for conservatives who believe that magical stealth ninjas or pixies or fairies (given Mark Foley and Larry Craig I’m going to go with fairies) are going to come out of nowhere and defeat all of us DFHs and usher in a wonderful conservative utopia. Are there any pigeonholes I’m missing?”
Yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk, yuk, snort, snort, wipe tear…
thanks Wile E — very funny…especially pigeon hole for conservatives who cant spell pigeon…
Maus
“I agree that Sullivan sounds pretty naive in this article.”
He knows better.
“But I also believe that the more the racist RW celebrities such as Limbaugh and Malkin are called out on their racism in the (more or less) main stream press, the better off we are as a whole”
Oh yes, “called out”.
Like “let’s talk to our panel of experts! i guess we can’t decide, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.”
Maus
“This is clearly a reference to the 2 million teabaggers in DC of which we only saw about 70K. LOL”
Maybe we see their swinging guts a few minutes before the rest of them come into view.
WMass
“I honestly don’t understand why Sullivan does not realize that no, they do not care what they are doing.”
I honestly don’t understand why you don’t understand that Sullivan has always, and will always , be a complete douchebag. This is another edition of a decent person, (John Cole) sticking his hand in a big pile of shit, and then acting surprised that his hand has shit all over it. To be repeated next week.
Wile E. Quixote
@asiangrrlMN
I would be honored to be part of your posse, and even though I’m a white guy who got lousy grades in math in college and can’t use chopsticks to save my life. Plus if you add me to the group you’ve got a gimp, which adds to the diversity, and I get the best parking.
Darkrose
@asiangrrlMN: On the one hand, I probably should go with Team Black (is that like Team Edward and Team Jacob?) but all the Kool Kids seem to be in the Asian posse. I never took calculus, but I can use chopsticks, and I was the Executive Producer for the Asian American Theater Project at Stanford one year–is that enough to get me in?
Chuck Butcher
I got to thinking about my posse and decided that by numbers it would probably fail the definition.
Lessee:
NHRA racer
Armed to the teeth
Harleys
Rural in the extreme – (way east of BFE) ((OR CD2 larger than any state E of the MS River)
Heavily furred facially and cranially
Construction
White except once struck by glancing rays of sunlight
Besides, minion isn’t my speed – enforcer maybe
asiangrrlMN
@Wile E. Quixote: Woo-hoo! Free parking! You’re in.
@Darkrose: Good enough for me! I’m pretty lax in the requirements for the Asian Posse.
@Chuck Butcher: Well, I need an enforcer for the Asian Posse (unless some of my kin know how to do kung-fu. I am learning taiji, but I know only enough to hurt myself at the moment. You want in?
Woot woot! Doin’ the Asiangrrl dance!