Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.

This fight is for everything.

Let us savor the impending downfall of lawless scoundrels who richly deserve the trouble barreling their way.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

A lot of Dems talk about what the media tells them to talk about. Not helpful.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

No one could have predicted…

Happy indictment week to all who celebrate!

I see no possible difficulties whatsoever with this fool-proof plan.

Joe Lieberman disappointingly reemerged to remind us that he’s still alive.

As long as McCarthy is Speaker, the House will never be in order.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

I’m pretty sure there’s only one Jack Smith.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

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  10. 10.

    Wag

    The real question is when will the MSM credit the true father of this recovery, one one and only Ronaldus Magnus!

  12. 12.

    RedKitten

    Everything bad that happens is the fault of Democrats. Everything good that happens is thanks to Republicans.

    Hence, 9/11, the economic collapse, and the increased visibility of Spencer Pratt are all a) due to aftereffects of the Clinton presidency or b) because of the horrible anticipation of the Obama presidency.

    The tentative economic recovery, the fact that the sun continues to rise in the morning, and the re-uniting of Faith No More? All because of Bush…or Reagan.

    Hurricane Katrina? We won’t discuss that.

    Shouldn’t you know this by now, Doug?

  15. 15.

    Zifnab

    The Obama recession is over, the Bush recovery has begun

    It’s almost as though they don’t actually know who is President. At some point, even the most die hard FOX fans have to know this is bullshit. Right?

  19. 19.

    The Bearded Blogger

    @Zifnab: Not betting on it. Fox fans want to be mislead.

    I wonder what the psychic/phisiological toll is for lying constantly. At the very least, I’m pretty sure Cavuto can’t get it up without a pill.

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    Are they living time backwards or are they just from a parallel universe where Bush (a) won a third term and (b) was vaguely competent?

    -dms

  21. 21.

    Zifnab

    @Bulworth:

    Conservatism has never failed. It has only been failed.

    You know, at a certain point you almost have to wonder what a government that took the conservative position seriously would look like. The GOP has been such a horrific implementer of it’s own message, I really am left wondering whether the philosophy is a failure or if the people that run under it are such hacks that they can’t even approach proper implementation.

  23. 23.

    Bootlegger

    @Zifnab:

    At some point, even the most die hard FOX fans have to know this is bullshit. Right?

    I wish it were so, but likely no. Its the latent effect of the Bush tax cut and deregulation bringing the Galts back into the market. At least that’s what They will hear.

  24. 24.

    General Winfield Stuck

    In Fox World, there are no GOP recessions and no DNC recoveries. A place where all the wingnut men are good lookin’, their women strong, and winger brats above average.., or something.

  25. 25.

    Chuck

    Of course it’s the Bush recovery. Recovery from Bush.

    I see the caption is appropriately punctuated with a Cavuto mark.

  27. 27.

    Gunner

    I don’t know where the Obama administration gets this idea that Fox news has a conservative bias.

  29. 29.

    Brick Oven Bill

    There is no economic recovery. Who is pushing this line? My guess is that it is those who are seeking to buy short positions at a discount. As I understand it, the SEC does not require Hedge Funds to publically disclose short positions, although it is required that they publically disclose their other holdings.

    This makes no sense as concentrated money moves can destroy wealth. It takes talent and virtue to create wealth. Concentrated money moves to destroy wealth, as in the example of the removal of $500 billion from the money markets last fall, tanking the market, and destroying people’s retirements, need to be publically viewable to determine if those making the moves are illegally or unethically making profits from insider short sales.

    George Soros.

  31. 31.

    Chuck

    @General Winfield Stuck:

    A place where all the wingnut men are good lookin’, their women strong, and winger brats above average

    Maybe, but that place ain’t Lake Wobegon. Garrison Keillor can’t stand the republican party either.

  33. 33.

    The Moar You Know

    The horror of the Obama recovery continues.

    Next up: peace and prosperity. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want my kids living in a world full of peace and happiness.

    Where is George Bush when we need him most? He’ll know how to drive us back into poverty and fear!

  34. 34.

    Ash Can

    @The Bearded Blogger: “Fox fans want to be misled.”

    Yep. And that’s why these guys have long since stopped trying to polish their turds at all. They’re not speaking to the real world, they’re speaking to their audience.

  37. 37.

    The Bearded Blogger

    @Ash Can: I sometimes think of conservatism as a huge, costly game of RPG, where the world is an innocent bystander that gets fucked.

    “Global warming doesn’t exist. You have rolled an 8 for dexterity. The giant troll is pissed”

  38. 38.

    kay

    They’re jumping the gun again. What they want to say right now is “the economy isn’t working for average Americans”.

    They went right to taking credit for the recovery?

    Conservatives have very little self-control. This “preemptive” approach has extended to every facet of the dogma. I’m starting to think they’re just incapable of an unexpressed thought.

    Every day is “mission accomplished” in the War Against Obama. It’s only going to make any real gains look bigger, and “against all odds”, because according to them he fails, every minute of every day.

  41. 41.

    Brick Oven Bill

    Cavuto may believe what he is saying, or he may not. It is hard to tell. But he is wrong. Economies are founded on things that are grown, mined, and produced. Until tariffs are re-instated, America cannot compete with countries with $0.40/hr labor and no red tape.

    A group of people is intentionally trashing our system of government, either for profit or for other reasons. I do not know if Cavuto is in on it.

    Someone said yesterday that health care was a field to get into. This too is false, as health care, especially for old people, does not create wealth. It destroys wealth. The health care industry, and most education as well, will fall hard in not too long.

  42. 42.

    ricky

    @shecky:

    Give Jerry Ford credit. We done whipped inflation now. Yeah, baby.

    Gonna go out and rustle me up some killer rabbit. Put food on my family. Good times!

  43. 43.

    SenyorDave

    Sure, the Bush recovery is impressive, but not as impressive as the Hoover bounceback from the Depression.

  44. 44.

    AB

    Wow, beaten to it by one bathroom trip… I was also going to say, Hoover’s New Deal sure was awesome.

  45. 45.

    New Yorker

    Until tariffs are re-instated, America cannot compete with countries with $0.40/hr labor and no red tape.

    Yeah, that’s a GOOD idea. Let’s re-instate the Tariff of Abominations!

    The health care industry, and most education as well, will fall hard in not too long.

    I actually agree with you here, since the 30-year-long squeeze on the middle class has generally been from the skyrocketing cost of healthcare and education. Given that both are pretty much a necessity for a developed nation, it won’t be long before the government legislates cost controls for both, given that the alternative is that the middle class will no longer be able to afford either.

  46. 46.

    Redshirt

    It should be obvious to anyone paying attention over the last ten years or so that the Republicans are literally copying the playbook from 1984 in specific, and Orwell in general, in so many ways. Fer instance, it’s obvious they try to make their own news. They have media organizations in place, and will relentlessly push their version of whatever story. And it often works. See, Cold War, Reagan wins.

    Making your own reality – that’s the Rovian way. It’s effective for the Keyes 25%ers; the question has always been: Will it sway the rest of the herd?

    Thankfully, the majority seems to be moving on. Can never be too careful though.

  47. 47.

    Zifnab

    @New Yorker: You’ve got to have some kind of equity to handle job loses generated by NAFTA and Free Trade job outsourcing.

    If we’ve got a minimum wage, but bigger businesses are able to circumvent it all by getting all their labor outside the border, the minimum wage is really just a small business tax.

    Now, you can argue that we’re converting to a service economy. And you can argue that eventually the labor market will max out, and wages will rise across the board. But eventually, you’ve got to do something to handle this discrepancy. Labor laws are useless with the back door gaping open like that.

    If you have a better idea than tariffs, I’d love to hear it. But the status quo is definitely not… uh… quo.

  48. 48.

    Joshua

    I don’t remember much about the mid-1990s, but I do remember that all the pundits on TV loved to talk about the “lag time” in economic policies and how the boom Clinton years were actually not because of Clinton but Reagan and Bush. This was not forgotten when the economy cratered in 2001 (Clinton was blamed), but it was conveniently forgotten when the economy picked up after that (2002 or so), where Bush’s magic tax cuts got all the credit for turning the economy around.

    I have never seen this weird configuration of no lag time and lag time, though. Good work Cavuto, your bosses must be proud.

  49. 49.

    Citizen_X

    Wait a minute, does this mean Bush is rehabilitated now among the Goopers? I thought he had been officially declared a liberal, or something.

  50. 50.

    Brick Oven Bill

    Re: Tariffs

    The standard line when tariffs are proposed is that tariffs caused the 1930s Depression. This was true in the US. This is because the US was the world’s biggest EXPORTER in the 1930s. Today, the US is the world’s biggest IMPORTER.

    In the 1930s, England was a large importer, and the trade wars did not significantly hurt them. Do not trust anyone who compares the effect tariffs had in the 1930s with what would happen if we were to institute an across-the-board 30% import tariff today. They are engaging in False Rhetoric.

    Proceeds from tariffs would fund the government, and would create US jobs.

  51. 51.

    arguingwithsignposts

    I guess the next logical question is whether or not the ombudsman at the New York Times will explore the issue of why the paper’s reporters aren’t covering the Bush recovery that all the conservatives are talking about.

    Or maybe Howie Kurtz can explain to us how it’s all opinion anyway, so facts don’t matter.

  52. 52.

    batgirl

    I think what Cavuto really wanted to say is that the Obama recession is over (for Wall Street or the “people that matter”) and the Bush recovery has begun (for Wall Street or the “people that matter”) but the growing unemployment rate is all Obama’s fault.

    I’m disgusted. Every day I help people fill out employment applications for minimum wage jobs at my library while my tax dollars go to ensure that the wealthy get wealthier. The people I help don’t give a shit that the DOW went over 10,000 yesterday. They just want a job where they can earn enough to provide the basic necessities for their families — you know, housing, food, heat, health care…

  53. 53.

    arguingwithsignposts

    @Joshua:

    I have never seen this weird configuration of no lag time and lag time, though. Good work Cavuto, your bosses must be proud.

    It’s a tear in the space/time continuum that exists between Cavuto’s ears.

  56. 56.

    jibeaux

    @jibeaux:

    Can I have a do-over? I think it would be better as: By that logic, Bush is not president in 2009. (Yes, I am aware that he already served two terms as president from 2000-2008.)

  59. 59.

    Chad N Freude

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    It takes talent and virtue to create wealth.

    Rupert Murdoch: Talent, yes. Virtue, no.
    George Soros must be virtuous by your definition.

    I love it when you post stuff.

  62. 62.

    TenguPhule

    At some point, even the most die hard FOX fans have to know this is bullshit. Right?

    No,

    SATSQ.

  66. 66.

    Duvall

    Sorry, Neil, you should have dressed as a pimp for that segment.

    Nah, Murdoch is the pimp. Cavuto needs a different costume.

  67. 67.

    binzinerator

    @Zifnab:

    I really am left wondering whether the philosophy is a failure or if the people that run under it are such hacks that they can’t even approach proper implementation.

    Both.

    Inhumanity does not preclude incompetence.

  68. 68.

    binzinerator

    @kay:

    Conservatives have very little self-control.

    They’re the party of the Id.

    If one looks at it that way one has a hint why goopers also have issues with greed, sex, fear, power, domination, illogic, amorality and egotism.

  69. 69.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    @Brick Oven Bill:

    The standard line when tariffs are proposed is that tariffs caused the 1930s Depression. This was true in the US. This is because the US was the world’s biggest EXPORTER in the 1930s. Today, the US is the world’s biggest IMPORTER.
     
    In the 1930s, England was a large importer, and the trade wars did not significantly hurt them. Do not trust anyone who compares the effect tariffs had in the 1930s with what would happen if we were to institute an across-the-board 30% import tariff today.

    Credit where credit is due – this is overly simplistic but otherwise just about right. BOB, maybe you should consider leaving biology and sociology alone and just stick to macro-economics for a while.

  70. 70.

    Da Bomb

    Yes, he should wear a pimp suit but it has to have those platform shoes with an aquarium in each heel.

  72. 72.

    Robert Waldmann

    “the next logical question is whether or not the ombudsman at the New York Times will explore the issue of why the paper’s reporters aren’t covering the Bush recovery that all the conservatives are talking about.”

    Not gonna happen. The ombudsman can’t worry about why The Times isn’t discussing the Bush recovery, because the Times is discussing the Bush recovery. Headline from the front page of http://www.nytimes.com

    “Dow 10,000, Goldman $3 Billion: Welcome to the ‘Bush Recovery’”

    The article appears to me to be a ballanced survey of opinion on the question. I am so fcking not kidding.

    Honestly, I have trouble telling what is the MSM and what is parody of the MSM these days.

    Quick pop quiz (no cheating) which is from the Post and which is from The Onion ?

    “Poll: Happy, Healthy Obamas Out Of Touch With Miserable Americans.”

    “Stagnant Prices Prevent Social Security Increase”

    OK check your answer.

  73. 73.

    Ken

    Zifnab @21: It makes sense if you carefully distinguish between the philosophy of governance and the actual governing. One of the main claims of the Republican philosophy is that government cannot be competent. So a completely competent implementation of the philosophy would produce a totally disfunctional government. There’s something almost Zen-like about it, especially if you look at the versions of Zen that involve repeatedly hitting someone with a stick.

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