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by Tim F|  March 19, 201010:44 am| 70 Comments

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Do not mess with the tortoise.

***Update***

Next on SciFi: Megatortoise vs. Hoverball Cat!

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  1. 1.

    liberal

    March 19, 2010 at 10:53 am

    GG has an awesome post today.

    Of course, linking to GG makes baby Jesus cry, at least here at BJ comment sections.

  2. 2.

    Maude

    March 19, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Here, in the Third World Hellhole, I can’t watch this. I am on -20 kb.

  3. 3.

    James Hare

    March 19, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Houston is gonna learn a lesson about messing with turtles today too.

  4. 4.

    liberal

    March 19, 2010 at 10:54 am

    BTW, is that a boxer in the video? Damn, I love that breed.

  5. 5.

    MaximusNYC

    March 19, 2010 at 10:56 am

    Perhaps this video is a sort of metaphor for Obama vs. the GOP? One jumps around wildly and makes a lot of noise, the other slowly, quietly, steadily pursues its goals.

  6. 6.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    March 19, 2010 at 10:58 am

    I’m just thrilled that we have a rubber stamp Congress and everything Obama wishes for magically gets legislated into law. I prefer these boring days where every piece of progressive legislation is whisked right through.

  7. 7.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    March 19, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Boccieri switches from no to yes.

  8. 8.

    Redshirt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Hehe. Turtle.

    I’ve risked my life on two occasions pulling big turtles off the highway. Little did I know turtles are such jerks! Next time, maybe I will not be so kind.

  9. 9.

    ellaesther

    March 19, 2010 at 11:03 am

    @liberal: Hey, I saw your apology late yesterday (after I saw that you directed me to it), but I’m finally here to say: Thank you! And I apologize for saying what I caught a whiff of….

    And re: your last comment in that same old thread, I could go into how all national movements (in this case Zionism) are based in culture that goes back centuries, long before modern-day nationalism was invented, because nationalism as we conceive it (including Zionism) is a modern construct, and yet, if we accept that construct as the organizing principle for international relations we have to deal with (note: “deal with,” not necessarily “like”) the inconsistencies of basing modern-day decisions about land and water, etc, at least in part in ancient culture and ideas of belonging, because that’s how we’ve organized nationalism, and thus the answer REALLY can’t be saying “this nationalism is ok, but that nationalism is just silly,” but rather reaching a point where we, humanity, get beyond nationalism — but I won’t.

    Because an OT with a tortoise chasing a dog should be fun, and that is not a fun topic. (Geez, and how much did I want to tell that young lady “IT’S NOT A TURTLE!!” But then again, bless her for sending that video out into the world!)

    And I certainly wouldn’t want to link to anything like this, where I provide background to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and even address the question of clashing nationalisms, because I’ve been very blog-pimpy lately, and maybe I need to settle down.

    Ahem. I think my point here was: Thank you!

  10. 10.

    Joe Beese

    March 19, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Balloon Juice still has nothing to say about Lt. Dan Choi chaining himself to the White House gate yesterday?

    Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few days while Obama pushes the health insurers bailout across the finish line?

  11. 11.

    ellaesther

    March 19, 2010 at 11:04 am

    @The Grand Panjandrum: I know, right? Thank GOD he’s so powerful!

  12. 12.

    GReynoldsCT00

    March 19, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Looks like a tortoise to me

  13. 13.

    Don K

    March 19, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Pretty funny stuff there.

    When our male cat was fully-grown but still adolescent, he began nosing around a groundhog’s burrow in the culvert under our driveway. Long story short, the groundhog chased him the full width of the front yard, and he learned not to mess with groundhogs again. The groundhog moved on to a new territory – I guess he figured cats are a hassle, even if you can chase them off.

    You know, you mostly see groundhogs lumbering and waddling around, but they can really move when they’re pissed off. Billy easily outran the groundhog, but I’ve never seen a groundhog run so fast.

  14. 14.

    ellaesther

    March 19, 2010 at 11:05 am

    @MaximusNYC: And bites. Don’t forget “and bites.”

  15. 15.

    Crashman

    March 19, 2010 at 11:05 am

    @The Grand Panjandrum: How many more votes do they need? Does anyone have an idea?

  16. 16.

    Violet

    March 19, 2010 at 11:06 am

    That video is awesome. Is that tortoise a pet or did it just wander into the backyard, I wonder.

    @The Grand Panjandrum:
    Awesome news! I wonder if a few more will domino. Everyone wants to be on the winning side. Please, please, please let “health care reform passes” be the winning side!

  17. 17.

    HRA

    March 19, 2010 at 11:06 am

    They are coming around 1 by 1 on TV for HCR!

    Tim, I really have to commend you for getting people involved for HCR. You have done a great service to us all.

  18. 18.

    Mike Kay

    March 19, 2010 at 11:07 am

    The decline and fall of FDL continues.

    They’re now attacking the CBO score saying it’s fake. This is a right wing meme.

    They’re now moving their precious Overton’s window to the right by invoking right wing frames of attack.

  19. 19.

    GReynoldsCT00

    March 19, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Nobody could catch Hoverball Cat

  20. 20.

    MikeJ

    March 19, 2010 at 11:18 am

    Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write ’em down for you?

  21. 21.

    Michael D.

    March 19, 2010 at 11:19 am

    @Joe Beese:

    Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few days while Obama pushes the health insurers bailout across the finish line?

    Nice.

    And then:

    “Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few days so Obama can get the troops out of Iraq by August!”

    And then:

    “Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few weeks while the Democrats concentrate on getting re-elected in November!”

    And then:

    “Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few weeks while Obama gets his immigration bill through congress!”

    And then:

    “Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few months while Obama runs his re-election campaign!”

    “Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few days while xyz…infinity!”

    Us “fags” know where we stand with our so-called allies.

  22. 22.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:21 am

    @liberal: I am rather partial myself!

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/MsNick40/Pets%20and%20miscellaneous/April172005074.jpg

    Count me in with the crowd that gets snippy about the “tortoise” “turtle” thing, it is one of the things that drives me nuts, particularly when people use the ridiculous term “land turtle”

  23. 23.

    Maude

    March 19, 2010 at 11:21 am

    @Redshirt: Did you drop them off at a Shell station?

  24. 24.

    beltane

    March 19, 2010 at 11:22 am

    @Mike Kay: It’s becoming pretty obvious that the whole point of the Norquist/Hamsher alliance was to divide and weaken the left. The Republicans are usually good at this kind of thing, but in this instance they have failed miserably.

  25. 25.

    FormerSwingVoter

    March 19, 2010 at 11:22 am

    @Michael D.:

    I think you missed the point. He was accusing us of “wishing the ***s would shut up”, not claiming it as his own position.

  26. 26.

    Fergus Wooster

    March 19, 2010 at 11:24 am

    @MikeJ: They’re just questions, Leon. Questions designed to provoke an emotional response. In answer to your query, they’re written down for me.

  27. 27.

    ellaesther

    March 19, 2010 at 11:25 am

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I will never forget the sound of tortoises mating in the backyard of the home in which I once served as a nanny (many, many moons ago). You know the term “knocking boots”? The tortoises actually knock shells, and you can hear it inside the house. It was something else!

  28. 28.

    FormerSwingVoter

    March 19, 2010 at 11:26 am

    After this week, Megatortoise vs Hoverball Cat is exactly what I needed.

  29. 29.

    Citizen_X

    March 19, 2010 at 11:26 am

    @Fergus Wooster: Let me tell you about my mother…

  30. 30.

    Redshirt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:26 am

    @Maude: Punny! No, and now that I’m recalling these events, one of them was snapping at me as I raced to get him off Interstate 95. Ungrateful and mean – must have been right wing Tortoi.

  31. 31.

    Mike Kay

    March 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    @beltane: It makes me wonder if she was always a right-wing sleeper cell.

  32. 32.

    Violet

    March 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    @Michael D.:
    It doesn’t bother me if gay rights activists like Dan Choi do things to bring attention to the DADT situation at this juncture. Obama can multitask. He wasn’t the one who “suspended his campaign” to deal with the financial crisis.

    He’s doing healthcare. He’s also dealing with Israel. And there’s stuff happening with Russia right now too. It’s not getting a lot of attention because of the health care real-time drama, but it’s a big deal:

    The United States and Russia have resolved all major issues in talks on a new arms control pact and are on the brink of an agreement, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Friday.

    —

    “Our negotiating teams have reported that they have resolved all of the major issues,” Clinton said after meeting Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at his residence outside Moscow.

    —

    “There are some technical issues that remain but we are on the brink of seeing a new agreement,” she said.

  33. 33.

    Brandon

    March 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    @Joe Beese:

    Sometimes I have a hard time spotting a really good troll from someone who’s sincere around these parts.

    Just in case, my sincere reaction to Choi’s stunt is that if he wants action on DADT, he should go chain himself to office door of whomever is chair of the Armed Services Committees in the House & Senate. The Administration has already done the heavy lifting on this issue and there is not much more they can do until Congress acts. They basically delivered the repeal of DADT to Congress in a nice little package and if Congress cannot deal with it now, then well the issue is not with Obama, but with spineless Democrats who would not act out of fear, despite public support being in their favor, with significant thanks for that due to the Administration’s adroit handling of the issue so far.

  34. 34.

    Chyron HR

    March 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    @Joe Beese:

    Balloon Juice still has nothing to say about Lt. Dan Choi? Wishing the fags would just shut up?

    Uh-huh. When the Balloon Juice commentators want someone to “shut up”, they do so by not saying anything about them. They certainly don’t write frequent vitriolic articles calling that individual out and demanding that she (to pick a pronoun at random) shut up.

  35. 35.

    Michael D.

    March 19, 2010 at 11:30 am

    @FormerSwingVoter: Ahhh, it seems as though I did!

    @Joe Beese: I apologize for rushing that response. Though I still think I’m right. Just not in judging you. Sorry!

  36. 36.

    mr. whipple

    March 19, 2010 at 11:31 am

    /Bot alert: Obama live on Cspan 3 talking up health care.

  37. 37.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:32 am

    @ellaesther:

    My mother has two females, we used to have a male but he was kidnapped from the back garden (believe it or not since it is now illegal to import them into England they have become a very valuable commodity), anyhoo I certainly remember the din when Rusty was going at Georgina or Mrs. T. Rusty was alot smaller than either of the two girls and it was comical watching him trying to get their attention.

  38. 38.

    Mike Kay

    March 19, 2010 at 11:34 am

    @mr. whipple: it’s on MSNBC as well!

  39. 39.

    TooManyJens

    March 19, 2010 at 11:35 am

    I feel like I did the week before the 2008 election — all I want to do is refresh web sites all day to see what the latest news is. I’m running out of stuff to refresh. I need to find some more people to follow on Twitter or something.

    ::twitch::

  40. 40.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:36 am

    @Redshirt: Funny my DH got out of the car in the middle of the road to rescue a snapping turtle (a huge one) from certain squishing, it expressed its gratitude by peeing all over him.

  41. 41.

    Mike Kay

    March 19, 2010 at 11:37 am

    @TooManyJens: I imagine, like election night, the tears will be flowing when the vote comes, Sunday afternoon.

  42. 42.

    GregB

    March 19, 2010 at 11:37 am

    More Grand Old Pathology as the anti-healthcare ads actually use Steve Dreihaus’ underage children in an attack ad.

  43. 43.

    ellaesther

    March 19, 2010 at 11:38 am

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I’m on my way out the door to an unpleasant work assignment, but you have me leaving with a grin allll over my face — perfect! Thank you!

  44. 44.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    March 19, 2010 at 11:38 am

    @TooManyJens:

    You and me both, I added half a dozen more feeds this morning, some to sites/people I don’t like (Tapper and Kos for instance) just in case I miss something.

  45. 45.

    Joel

    March 19, 2010 at 11:39 am

    that tortoise looks like an ornery motherfucker.

    i certainly wouldn’t want to mess with it.

  46. 46.

    Citizen_X

    March 19, 2010 at 11:40 am

    If Megatortoise teamed up with Roomba Cat they’d be unstoppable. Dogs of the world beware!

  47. 47.

    BDeevDad

    March 19, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Wow, I don’t know if I should believe it because it’s Sean Hannity scamming that he cares for the troops or not because Debbie Schlussel figured it out.

    According to its 2006 tax returns, Freedom Alliance reported revenue of $10,822,785, but only $397,900–or a beyond-measly 3.68%–of that was given to the children of fallen troops as scholarships or as aid to severely injured soldiers.
    On the other hand, 62% of the money went to “expenses,” including $979,485 for “consultants” and an “advisor.”

  48. 48.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    March 19, 2010 at 11:42 am

    @Joe Beese: I though Choi timed his stunt wrong. We’re in the middle of counting every vote on health care. All he managed to do was get arrested with no cameras in front of him. He should have waited a week.

    As for DADT repeal, I think it’s time to start working on it, but it’s not going to get changed for a little bit. Every fight with the Republicans is going to look like health care.

  49. 49.

    Napoleon

    March 19, 2010 at 11:43 am

    So I have been reading up on todays HCR vote action and that guy Lynch from MA. who is claiming to be voting no because of the excise tax and to protect labor (even though they meet with him yesterday and said they support it and he should vote for it) is known to be an extreme social conservative and it is suspected he is pulling a Stupak but blaming it on something else.

  50. 50.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    March 19, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Obama – “This is a patients bill of rights on steroids”

    LOL

  51. 51.

    bemused

    March 19, 2010 at 11:44 am

    @Litlebritdifrnt:
    Same thing with horns and antlers. I heard someone make the mistake of asking a reindeer handler about their “horns”. A very snippy lecture followed.

  52. 52.

    Corner Stone

    March 19, 2010 at 11:45 am

    I dislike it when they say employers will save $X and will possibly pass that difference to workers in the form of increased wages.
    Never happen.

  53. 53.

    Martin

    March 19, 2010 at 11:46 am

    That looks like our house. We’ve got a california desert tortoise (just woke up last weekend) and a corgi. The tortoise doesn’t move as fast as the one in the video, though, so there’s not much in the way of chasing going on. They aren’t exactly buds, but they seem reasonably content to share the yard.

  54. 54.

    Corner Stone

    March 19, 2010 at 11:47 am

    @BDeevDad: Sounds about right.

  55. 55.

    The Moar You Know

    March 19, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Balloon Juice still has nothing to say about Lt. Dan Choi chaining himself to the White House gate yesterday? Wishing the fags would just shut up about their rights for a few days while Obama pushes the health insurers bailout across the finish line?

    @Joe Beese: Poor Joe. He’s all butthurt that he got kickbanned from over at the GOS for constantly trolling every single post he could horn in on.

    Must be getting a little bored, eh, Mr. Beese?

    At least now I know who your new account name is over there. That was a hilarious troll dairy you put up last night.

  56. 56.

    MikeJ

    March 19, 2010 at 11:58 am

    @GregB: Love how that news article starts with “Democrats are taking flak from all sides” and then goes on to show flak from the right and none form the left. Because they feel obligated to say both sides do it.

  57. 57.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    March 19, 2010 at 11:59 am

    @The Moar You Know: A good sign that Joe is wrapping up his HCR trollery and moving on to something else. When repealing DADT reaches critical pol mass and is done, maybe Joe will finally go full metal on Obama’s Kenyan citizenship. Seems perfectly unnatural.

  58. 58.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    March 19, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Here’s a little something to cheer everyone up:

    It’s no longer a question of “if” but of “when” between now and January 2013 that John Ensign’s short, previously happy, suddenly unhappy life as a senator will end.

    Let’s not forget that Ensign is getting a free ride right now because the establishment media is still busy gaming out the HCR horse race.

    ETA: But this is going to leave a mark.

    Hmm. Sounds almost exactly what President Bill Clinton did to cover up his indiscretion. And John Ensign called on him to resign.

  59. 59.

    Felonious Wench

    March 19, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    @The Moar You Know:

    Poor Joe. He’s all butthurt that he got kickbanned from over at the GOS for constantly trolling every single post he could horn in on.

    Precious.

    As for Lt. Dan Choi, I really don’t care if he wants to chain himself to a fence. But I do care about wasting time and energy in the wrong direction. I care about inefficiency. It’s a strategic blunder, and I don’t care how passionate someone is about an issue, they still need to think things through as to how to get the most done.

    These types of protests don’t work any more. Tell me ONE case in the past 10 years where someone chaining themselves to something actually did anything other than to give their opposition ammunition to say “See? They’re nuts.” Cindy Sheehan, anyone?

    I am not saying we need to wait until the economy is golden and we have a public option. I want to see DADT repealed as fast as possible. That means focus and strategy. Lt. Choi didn’t think this through. His most effective place in this situation is getting back in with the military and serving as an example of a great soldier. THAT’S what will get attention, “See? The world didn’t fall apart when he came back.”

  60. 60.

    FormerSwingVoter

    March 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Dana Titus in NV confirmed as a “yes” vote. They’re falling like dominoes, man.

  61. 61.

    Older

    March 19, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I didn’t know tortoises could play. I’m pretty sure that’s what’s happening there. At one point the tortoise turns away from the dog and “runs” from it. And hey, I didn’t know they could run, either.

  62. 62.

    Linda Featheringill

    March 19, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Something you might enjoy:

    http://tinyurl.com/yleg4kv

    Our solar system put to music. Pluto is such a SANP!
    [slow-assed non-planet]

    Cute tortoise!

  63. 63.

    burnspbesq

    March 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Seven minutes into the game, and West Virginia still doesn’t have a field goal.

    What was that about the Big East?

  64. 64.

    Fergus Wooster

    March 19, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    @Citizen_X: Heh. Too bad we can’t embed sound effects.

  65. 65.

    Joseph Nobles

    March 19, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I was talking about Choi’s arrest here yesterday.

    Choi is still being discharged, according to him. So he wasn’t getting the option of getting in and being the best soldier he could be. In fact, he’d already been doing that right? And what did it get him?

    In fact, it sounds like the timing was thrust upon him. Do it while he was still a soldier.

    And, I’m sorry, but Obama has most certainly NOT done everything that he could do. I’ve seen him whip an issue. He’s not whipping DADT repeal.

  66. 66.

    Paul L.

    March 19, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Can someone help me with the talking point that Republicans used deem and pass.

    Can someone cite the Laws that the Republicans used deem and pass “demon pass” to enact?

    Or when self executing rules were referred to as deem and pass “demon pass” by the Republicans?

    All I get for progressive blog is the Republicans used self executing rules in the past.

  67. 67.

    The Moar You Know

    March 19, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    @Paul L.: I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire. Do you own research, you lazy trolling sack of crap.

  68. 68.

    Paul L.

    March 19, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    @The Moar You Know:
    I’ll take that as there is no law passed by Republicans using deem and pass “demon pass”.
    I do not follow many nutroots blogs. So I could be missing the smoking gun law passed by Republicans using deem and pass “demon pass”.

  69. 69.

    asiangrrlMN

    March 19, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    @Felonious Wench: He was still being honorably discharged, so there was no going back in and being a great soldier for him.

    @Joseph Nobles: I agree with you on this. I am not sure if Lt. Choi chose the best action, but I can certainly see why he did it–especially given what gets attention these days from the media.

  70. 70.

    Johnny Pez

    March 19, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Now you know why the dinosaurs kicked our asses for a hundred million years.

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