Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

You can’t love your country only when you win.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

Battle won, war still ongoing.

Let’s not be the monsters we hate.

People are complicated. Love is not.

I like you, you’re my kind of trouble.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Anyone who bans teaching American history has no right to shape America’s future.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Republicans don’t trust women.

The revolution will be supervised.

After roe, women are no longer free.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

You cannot shame the shameless.

A snarling mass of vitriolic jackals

Let there be snark.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

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  1. 1.

    superking

    Doug, I’m afraid you’ll have to be demoted for your fail today. You’re a Gold Rifleman now. On the upside, it’s good to see that Glenn Greenwald is as pleasant on a personal level as he is on his blog.

  2. 2.

    Mike Kay

    Arkon DougJ = Obot Chicago Thug sent from the future to snuff out Glennie-poo.

    /GOS

    I swear, Hamsher comes off as Catwoman to Glenn’s The Riddler

  4. 4.

    beltane

    Can we agree to a moratorium on GG/JH related comments? If nothing else, the two of them have become intolerably boring. I was thinking of checking out the new and improved Hutaree site, but I have a feeling I’ll regret it if I do.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    There’s been a lot of disagreement here today,

    Mainly because you put up a really lame post and then trolled the hell out of your own blog.
    In other words, you’ve been on a roll lately.

  9. 9.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    I’m a long time reader of Glennzilla, and know of the Hamsher/FDL controversy with regards to HCR, but my eyes glazed over after about 5 minutes of clicking through all the links about the controversy du jour.

    Geez, talk about the definition of inside baseball.

    Really, what is more important right now is that Sci Fi needs to start showing Stargate Universe right the fuck now. Its been too long!

  10. 10.

    Max

    I went and saw Alice in Wonderland (3D) this past weekend and hated it. So boring.

    Am I off in my assessment, or did others have the same reaction?

    And that may be the best play in College Football, but the best half in Pro Football was The Comeback – 01.03.93.

  12. 12.

    Seebach

    Random question time. I just sent in a resume to a company over a job site. About how long should I wait for a reply before it’s just hopeless and I commit seppuku over my tarnished honor?

  13. 13.

    Annie

    You did good Arkon…Any respite from Ms. Sarah, the teabaggers, and the other nuts ruining this country is a post well-done…

  14. 14.

    Cain

    so what happened in the greenwald thread? I didn’t bother reading it; looked like it blew up considering the number of comments.

    cain

  15. 15.

    Mike Kay

    @beltane: I miss the good ole days when Maryscot O’Connor could break the internet with one of her patented hissy fits.

    She had some original style (RIP). Hanoi Jane and Grifter Glen, not so much.

  17. 17.

    ZulifFromOhio

    Gold Rifleman DougJ just doesn’t have that same snappy ring to it. Coincidence that trouble started when you changed your handle? It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

  18. 18.

    Alien-Radio

    @Corner Stone:

    LOL seconded. I love a political blog where there is an active focus on trolling the commenters, I guess the most dissapointing thing about today’s posts is how many BJ commenters bit. A bad sign for their critical thinking skills.

  20. 20.

    BombIranForChrist

    I have been reflecting on the Great Glenn Scuffle today, and I am pretty frustrated with how these schisms attempt to force everyone into little camps, where I now feel this pressure to NEVAR READ GLENN EVAR because he HAS VIEWZ DIFFERENT THAN MINE.

    And what’s equally frustrating is that Glenn pretty much contributed to that schismatic force today by writing a post that sounded like someone who was off his meds, rather than someone I have grown to respect vis a vis his work on Constitutional issues.

    I think there are different classes of bloggers, and Glenn is getting dangerously close to joining that class that have FDL, DailyKOS and AmericaBlog (to a lesser degree), where it is US vs. THEM, MUTHAFUCKAS, and if you don’t agree with us, then you are the problem! You are no better than Bush himself!

    Frustrating.

    A very big reason I am not a Republican is because I do believe that Facts Matter and that therefore Rational Discussion Matters. We all have the right to go off our meds every once in a while, but I hope we can keep it together long enough to remain focused on Facts that Matter at any given moment rather than take every topic down the rabbit hole of factionalism, if that is even a word.

    Get off my lawn!

  22. 22.

    Annie

    @Seebach:

    It depends on if there is a closing date for resumes, and if you know someone at the company that you can contact to tell them that you submitted. Before you take any drastic steps, let us know. Half of us will try to stop you, and the other half will shout encouragements…

  24. 24.

    Arkon DougJ

    @BombIranForChrist:

    You know, GOS is much better than it used to be. I read it every day on RSS and it has a lot of good posts. Stay away from the diaries and the comments, obviously.

  25. 25.

    Cain

    So.. only in Oregon can I see a guy who looks like a total redneck take out his lunch and then whips out chopsticks and starts eating noodles. I was like.. whoa.. cool.

    cain

  27. 27.

    beltane

    @Mike Kay: Maryscott’s tantrums were mesmerizing, like a volcanic eruption of four letter words. BTD also has a unique style, like someone following you around at a party, picking a fight over your every utterance. Hamsher and Greenwald are just tiresome in the same way that Cokie Roberts and George Will are tiresome. In fact, I think they aspire to be the progressive version of Roberts and Will.

  31. 31.

    Karmakin

    @BombIranForChrist: That’s not quite it, at least in this case.

    There was nothing really strange about the FEC filing, in that it looked very similar to pretty much every other consultant filing that you see.

    There’s only the point that in much of the progressive blogosphere, political consultants are….lets just say they’re not well liked people. What was the guys name, HRC’s campaign manager who got nicely flamed during the primary?

    The simple truth is that the progressive blogosphere, by and large does not trust..at all…the political consultant class. Even when they’re on “our” side.

  32. 32.

    Polish the Guillotines

    Heh. I worked at that game (I was in high-school at the time) doing the vending thing in the stands. It looked like Stanford had it all nailed down so I split.

    As I’m walking down Bancroft Ave, I hear the cannon go off (Cal’s touchdown signal) and suddenly everyone’s running around screaming about how Cal just won the game.

    Timing is everything.

  33. 33.

    beltane

    @Max: If he’s holding court over there it means he won’t be picking fights over here. Let us rejoice.

  34. 34.

    Elisabeth

    Can’t completely disagree about the play but the Boise State/Oklahoma game a few years ago is right up there. It just didn’t have the band.

  35. 35.

    Mike Kay

    @Max: he’s just jealous that Jane and Glenn found a way to monetize outrage from their suckers readers, and all he got was a tiny little blog full of old blue-haired battle-axes.

  37. 37.

    martha

    Arkon DougJ…yes, this is the best play in college football ever. I…was…there! And watched my beloved Cal Bears win.

    That is all.

    You’re the best! (And it never gets old to watch this or listen to it either…)

  39. 39.

    freelancer

    I think we can all agree that this was the greatest play in the history of college football, right?

    I’m biased, but this is right up there. Anything that can put that signature “We’re fucked, and I’m pissed, so I’ll try and hide it, but that’s not quite working out according to plan either” look on Steve Spurrier’s mug is right in my wheelhouse.

  41. 41.

    Svensker

    @Max:

    I went and saw Alice in Wonderland (3D) this past weekend and hated it. So boring.

    Tim Burton is boring. Worst famous director ever.

  42. 42.

    MattR

    @Elisabeth: Boise- Oklahoma was also missing the rivalry. Stanford vs Cal is the tenth longest rivalry in college football and the annual contest is called “The Big Game”.

  43. 43.

    Thomas

    Biggest revelation for me after reading that link to “The Workbench” about Hamsher and her PAC was that she named Firedoglake in part after the L.A. Lakers. Now I have a reason to finally pick sides in this whole thing. Hamsher you’re going down, OKC Thunder all the way!

  44. 44.

    Seebach

    @Annie: Hmm… don’t know neither.

    And no seppuku for reals. But I hate my current job soooo much. I have to sell and support a product I know doesn’t work. Ripping people off for a living isn’t fun.

  45. 45.

    Alien-Radio

    @Mike Kay: Shame they don’t really come across as trolling for the sake of the art of trolling. Coping with a troll rich environment improves one’s filtering abilities. Jane’s purity spiral isn’t helping her readers’ critical reading skills.

    I think this blog needs more (good, not joke) spoof firebaggers. It’s got quite hard to spoof rightwingers, although BOB remains a work of genius

  51. 51.

    Mike E

    Dude’s knee was so down before the lateral at the far sideline. Play was dead before any further matriculation toward the goal line.

  53. 53.

    Mike Kay

    @Arkon DougJ:

    Stay away from the diaries and the comments,

    How dare you insult Stinkerwink! You’re just attacking Jane, using this slight about jane-funded GOS diarists!

  55. 55.

    Max

    @Mike E: Every time I hear “lateral” in football, I PTSD flashback to the Bills / Titans game.

    That’s right – two Bills references in this post! Suck it haters.

  58. 58.

    Nylund

    The context of The Play is what makes it great! The Bears were ahead and out of no where the Cardinal, led by John Elway staged a massive come from behind late game drive that, against all probability resulted in Stanford having a miraculous come from behind win. Everyone was a buzz with the amazing performance of Elway who squeaked out a major win against all odds. THIS was the story. All that remained were the few meaningless seconds associated with Stanford’s post-score kick off.

    Then.

    This play happened.

    And ever since, all of Elway’s heroics have been overshadowed by a trombone player getting plowed in the end zone. No one even remembers that just moments before a future hall of famer gave one of his best collegiate performances of all time.

  61. 61.

    Cain

    Wow, that greenwald thread is a drinking game in the making. I drink every ime I see the words “Dear Leader”!

    cain

  63. 63.

    Mark S.

    Hey, Fuck you Arkon DougJ. As Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly demonstrated on countless 3,000 word essays with updates, the greatest play in football history is the Kordell Stewart Hail Mary pass to Michael Westbrook against Michigan.

  66. 66.

    some other guy

    Pricing on the Nissan Leaf is out:
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hMjtv3PlpOSZAvVgjHWfi5d2Lr0AD9EP8FJ00

    Way of the future, or a gimmick?

    The $25,000 Nissan Leaf will have a range of 100 miles. Charge time @ 220v is 8 hours. Cost to drive is $2.80 per charge, or about $0.03 / mile. A standard gasoline car costs about $0.10 / mile. So you’d have to drive the Leaf about 140,000 miles to make up the initial price difference between it and, say, a $15,000 Honda Fit.

  67. 67.

    martha

    @Nylund: I have to admit that my husband and his friends all tease me about how much I have “intensely disliked” John Elway over the years. He was such a complete jerk after that game… Yes, I kinda still hold a grudge. :)

  68. 68.

    eric

    are there any BJers in NOLA? i gotta be there at the end of April…..

    i am normally in chicago, also, too.

  72. 72.

    Mike E

    @Max: Not a hater. Just a big “whatever.”

    Oh, and today’s better replay technology would’ve overturned the Music City Miracle. Again, yawn. Also.

    ETA Go Fightins! Play ball–whoohoo!

  73. 73.

    Cain

    @Mark S.:

    @Cain:
    You’d be passed out by now.

    Maybe if I changed it to sips? You’re right though, I’ve already gotten a buzz.. hah.

    cain

  74. 74.

    Morbo

    Oh, right, that play. You know I have to admit, I hit play on that embed hoping for something else. Damn deceptive video title.

  75. 75.

    Punchy

    Dear Akron DougJ —

    Who do we piss off tomorrow? Can we shiv BTD and Larry Johnson with one epic rant?

    /does seal clap in giddy anticipation

  77. 77.

    Max

    @Mike E: Hater wasn’t directed at you.

    It’s a rough road to be a Bills fan (or Buffalo fan)..

    Wide Right
    Music City Miracle
    OJ
    4 SB losses in a row
    No Goal (Sabres)
    Blizzard of 77 (Mother Nature)
    Flutie Flakes

    Bright side… I don’t live there.

  79. 79.

    Annie

    @Seebach:

    If you really want the job, make some calls and see if someone knows someone who knows someone who can ensure that your resume will be considered…Also, wait a week or two, and then call and ask if you are being considered for an interview…

  80. 80.

    Cain

    I must say that DougJ’s front page trolling has netted us some great visitors! (Jake and GG, I’m looking at you) We need to make sure that they at least leave with a Tunch coffee cup. We need new merchandise with “I was trolled by DougJ”

    cain

  82. 82.

    eric

    @Arkon DougJ: excellent.

    one last random VERY question: anyone with experience figure out the manufacturing year of Les Pauls? I can narrow it down to three years 73, 74, 75 (I think) using Blue Book, but no better than that…thanks

  84. 84.

    MikeJ

    @Mark S.:

    As Glenn Greenwald has repeatedly demonstrated on countless 3,000 word essays with updates, the greatest play in football history is the Kordell Stewart Hail Mary pass to Michael Westbrook against Michigan.

    I was afraid you were going to use the F word. Flutie.

  85. 85.

    turkey

    Long time reader, first time commenter.

    As a Cal Alum this post motivated me to add my approval. When Cal lost every Big Game while I was an undergrad knowing this still happened made it almost bearable…

  89. 89.

    Steeplejack

    @Amanda in the South Bay:

    Is Stargate Universe any good? I saw a promo for it just the other day, and my interest was piqued.

    I gave up on Stargate: Atlantis in the second (?–maybe third) season because of the stupid characters and bad acting. I was a fan of Stargate SG-1, however.

    So what’s the deal on Universe? My newly expanded DVR is bellowing for more content to consume.

  92. 92.

    MikeJ

    @John Cole: Did you ever read Jane Espenson’s blog? She called clichéd jokes you’ve seen a thousand times “clams“. After my comment, and then yours, I am at this point supposed to make a comment like “I wish I had a million dollars.”

  93. 93.

    sfinny

    @jeffreyw: I would still consider the trade-off if I could plug in at home, but I live in an apartment building and I think my neighbors would get mad if I just plugged into the parking light outlet (which the coop pays for). My current car has around 146,000 miles so I would expect to get at least the same on my next. Just waiting for those individual plug-in outlets.

  95. 95.

    MattR

    @freelancer:

    It takes providence to be at the exact right place at the exact right moment and not flinch.

    And that would be Gerard Phelan.

    This may be the most skillful college football catch I have ever seen (and he gave David Tyree an idea)

  98. 98.

    Alien-Radio

    @Steeplejack:

    Stargate Universe wants to be BSG so badly it’s unfunny. Unfortuantely it has none of the thematic depth of BSG, about the only thing that’s any good in it is Robert Carlisle, Lou Diamond Phillips is kind of wasted and most characters are complete ciphers. In short, Eh.

  99. 99.

    Sad Iron

    @Max

    Don’t forget Randy Smith and the Braves leaving town. I’m from North B-Lo and you just brought back some bad, bad memories.

  100. 100.

    jeffreyw

    Just watched the Alton Brown gyros show, now I want one. Stoopid Kroger store won’t have any lamb, tho. Mebbe drive a little farther for groceries tomorrow.

  102. 102.

    Vince CA

    I graduated Cal in ’99, when their football program hit its nadir. I was in the band and it was a miserable 3 years of rooting for the crappiest team in the PAC-10. On the plus side, the band played good music and drank like fishes. On the massively negative side, I had to endure jeers from the Stanfurd band, which plays awesome and also drinks like fishes, but dude, those guys look like dorks on the field, were drunk before sunrise, had really weird incomprehensible field “shows”, and they lectured me on my marching.

    When I was supposed to be cultivating a love of football–a sport whose rules I never internalized until college, nor enjoyed watching before because it was a hyper-masculine and I was metro before we had polite words for such things–I was given the most depressing the most uninspiring team to try to care about. And the athletes, even though they sucked, still acted like assholes to the only people who came out and rooted for them when they were sucking so sucky. The vengeful part of my soul hopes that they’re not really enjoying their middle management jobs at a local fast-food chain.

    When this blog goes all ga-ga for some local sports team, I go read FDL or DKos. Hell, I’ve even gone to RedState or LGF. Doesn’t Kos run his own sports blog for folks who, you know, WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPORTS ALL THE TIME?

    And while I’m cranky, I cannot understand (and I’ve tried, I really have! I even have “One Nation Under Dog” in my library queue) why people let their pets into their house, much less into their duvets.

    Go Bears! Also. Too. Fiat Lux.

  103. 103.

    Steeplejack

    @eric:

    Can you be more specific? Les Paul guitars have been manufactured since 1952. Do you mean you’re trying to determine the year of manufacture for a specific serial number or something like that?

  104. 104.

    Max

    @Sad Iron: It’s a legacy of pain we carry with us.

    But hey, we invented Chicken Wings, so there’s that.

    And –

    Beef on Weck
    Loganberry drinks
    Ted’s Hot Dogs

    Feeling better?

  105. 105.

    madmommy

    @MattR:

    Prothro was amazing. Too bad he never got to play again after the injury-26 days in the hospital and three surgeries from the broken leg he suffered against Florida in 2005.

  107. 107.

    sfinny

    @jeffreyw: That is one thing I really miss about having a house instead of an apartment. But if no-one noticed that I was juicing up on the collective electric, that could be a real saver :-)

  108. 108.

    PaulW

    I disagree with that play being the best in college football ever! The Boise St. Statue of Liberty 2-pt score in overtime in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl FREAKING RULES!

  112. 112.

    Sad Iron

    @Max

    Oh yes, much better–thanks for that. (By Ted’s, of course, you mean “Theodore’s on the Lake.”)

  114. 114.

    IndyLib

    @jeffreyw:
    I can never get my gyro loaf to taste as good as our local greek place, so I just roast up a leg of lamb with garlic, greek olive oil, lemon and greek oregano, slice it really thin and serve it with homemade tzatziki (which is better than what the local greek place has).
    Do you make your own pitas? That’s next on my list to try, though I’m not very good with breads.
    Good Luck.

  115. 115.

    FormerSwingVoter

    @BombIranForChrist:

    Yeah, Glenn was kind of a dick, but in his defense – we really were doing the whole “it would be irresponsible not to speculate” thing (well, okay, by “we” maybe I mean “I”, but still).

    I’m as hard on the True Progressives as pretty much anyone, but this whole thing has led me to think that maybe sometimes I am just punching hippies for the sake of it, and should settle down a bit on searching for any potential personal fault I can find in those I disagree with politically.

    I emailed Glenn to apologize. I’ll eat my crow.

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Hey, has anyone heard anything about this story that Palin’s daughter Willow (I think she’s the 14-yo) was with a bunch of kids who broke into a vacant house in Wasilla (I think) and partayed and did about $20,000 worth of damage?

    The thing I saw (on the rarely entertaining, always ill-written Newshounds blog so, you know, FWIW) said that boys were charged criminally but charges against the girls including WP were dropped.

    Interesting thing is that this episode was apparently the reason Todd and Sarah rushed back home so abruptly from their Hawaii vacation a few months ago. The story at the time was that paparazzi had taken pictures of SP in a McCain cap with his name blacked out with Magic Marker, and their privacy was invaded so they went home. But now it seems there may have been a more compelling and urgent reason.

    This is all alleged and I haven’t any idea whether any part of it is true. Maybe the story’s been out there and I’ve simply missed it. Has anyone else heard this? Do you think it’s true? Is it schadenfreude time again? Too soon?

    If you feel like reading for yourself what I saw, it’s over at http://www.newshounds.us (“We watch FOX so you don’t have to”).

  118. 118.

    BethanyAnne

    @jeffreyw: I just watched his “Curry” show :) I was already planning on a potato broccoli curry tomorrow, so it’s worked out well.

  120. 120.

    sfinny

    @IndyLib: I tried gyro cooking once and since then have been a regular at the local Greek restaurant. Mine came out over cooked, over seasoned, and just a dissapointment. I guess I give up easy, but the local place is really great and has a good salad dressing to buy too. Yum.

  121. 121.

    jeffreyw

    @IndyLib: No, I’ve never tried pita bread. I make some pumpernickle now and again, and churn out raisin bread and plain white bread from the machine. I’m just bummed that my hicksville grocery never has anything but beef and pork and chicken. Ducks and geese for the holidays.

  123. 123.

    MattR

    @SiubhanDuinne: I read about it here earlier today. I am pretty much in wait and see mode, but it would not shock me if it was true that Sarah Palin got involved to cut a deal for Willow. And let’s be honest it would be to protect her own reputation and not to protect her daughter. At least I could respect that.

  127. 127.

    IndyLib

    @jeffreyw:
    I go to a local butcher for my lamb. We have a huge local chain grocery store right down the street with the largest selection of just about everything I’ve ever seen, including 150 kinds of sausage and 350 kinds of cheese (it is Wisconsin), and the only lamb they sell is organic lambchops.

    And BTW I’ve considered posting pics of my cooking, but when I get the pic in the camera they always look like crap compared to what you post. You really do have a wonderful eye for composition and color.

  130. 130.

    jeffreyw

    @IndyLib: Alas, we have no local butchers, just the guys in the chain stores. Take that back, there’s a market in the 2d town over that has some really good meats, I’ll check them out tomorrow if I strike out at the chain stores.

  131. 131.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @MikeJ: LOL at “Blazer or Tacoma or whatever the fuck he’s called.” Back during the campaign somebody said that the kids were all named things like Bagel and Twat (actually, I might have seen that here at BJ).

    @MattR, @Max: Yes, I think the one thing we can *REALLY* all agree on (Arkon DougJ notwithstanding) is that Sarah and Todd Palin aren’t about to win any awards for good parenting. Or if they do, they’ve grifted them.

  132. 132.

    Whammer

    So, as a Stanford grad, I need to point out that the guy was stopped, down, down downer than down, and that this whole thing was entirely bogus. Not to mention the illegal formation and the forward lateral. And the “downer than ever” bit.

    I am fortunate that I was 3000 miles away when this happened, because I might still be in jail.

    All that said, now that it is nearly 30 years later, I think it is probably the greatest play in history. Even though the guy was down. Very much down.

    I ran into Rogers (I think it was him) several years later after a Big Game when we were running around on the field after the game, lateraling a ham that we had. He was working security I believe. Nice guy, we joked around about how he was down. Which he was.

  133. 133.

    jeffreyw

    @IndyLib:

    And BTW I’ve considered posting pics of my cooking, but when I get the pic in the camera they always look like crap compared to what you post.

    Well, thank you. You can do a lot re composition in the viewfinder but simple cropping tools can really refine that, not to mention the exposure and contrast tweaks and the color enhancements. The stock Windows image viewer has all that I need.

  134. 134.

    IndyLib

    @jeffreyw:
    I’m tech illiterate when it comes to iphoto. I barely figured out how to upload family pics to flicker and still get frustrated trying to figure out how to sort things so that they are where I want them.
    I took some photojournalism classes years ago in college and my composition was pretty good with a nikon and black and white film, but those skills don’t seem to have transferred to using and manipulating digital pics.

  135. 135.

    randiego

    Question: who the hell is Mike Kay and what did GG/JH do to him?

    Ironically, the last time I got trolled like that I was on FDL. Someone needs to get back on the meds.

  136. 136.

    MattR

    You want to hear something shocking? The Supreme Court unanimously rejected the reasoning of a judge who said that free market forces were sufficient to regulate mutual funds fees.

    (OK, really what the SCOTUS was saying was “hey jackass, use the standard we have been using for the past 28 years, don’t invent your own new one”, but still a bit of good news that there is some minimal level of sanity left there)

  137. 137.

    Yutsano

    @Max: Incidentally, now that you have moved up north, we shall teach you to be a Seachicken. It isn’t so much a fan base as an insidious cult. We aren’t in the same division as the Bills, so at least you don’t have to worry about the divided loyalty thing. You will learn to love the blue and green. Oh yes. Oh and to check out the most spoiled raptor in existence. Unfortunately people can’t feed him, as cool as that would be. There’s a few must samples just over the river as well. You’ll wonder how you lived anywhere else on the planet.

  138. 138.

    baldheadeddork

    My choice for best football play ever would have to be when Bo Jackson going WFO hit Brian Bosworth and knocked him into last week.

  139. 139.

    jeffreyw

    @IndyLib: Nice thing with digital, take a pic and copy it, play with the copy, just do stuff to it. Sometimes I mess it up and just delete it, make another copy and start over. As long as you have the original you’re fine. Oh, and take a lot of pics, use different settings on multiple shots of the same thing. See what happens. The LCD viewer on the back gives instant feedback.

  140. 140.

    asiangrrlMN

    @arguingwithsignposts: Thanks for the pic of Lady Smudge in the older posts. She’s so very lovely.

    @Joseph Nobles: I like the way you wrote that intro to the link. Very understated.

    @Max: I haven’t seen it yet, but I will. I guess I’m in the minority again in that I really enjoy Tim Burton when he’s good (Nightmare, Charlie, etc.) and am severely disappointed when he’s bad (Sweeney Todd, Big Fish). It helps that he often uses Ewan McGregor, Johnny Depp, Helena Bonham Carter, and, sigh, Alan Rickman.

  143. 143.

    Yutsano

    @asiangrrlMN: I’m going to get mobbed by my cats tomorrow. My brother is going out of town for five days and they will be alone until I get home from work. In other words, if I can type while fending off two furballs, I’ll be very lucky.

    Otherwise I be good.

  144. 144.

    MikeJ

    @Yutsano:

    Incidentally, now that you have moved up north, we shall teach you to be a Seachicken.

    You guys are all down near stumptown, no? DougJ upthread said something about juicer get togethers. Wonder what evil he’s plotting.

  145. 145.

    MattR

    @asiangrrlMN: from this link

    On December 13, a Wasilla homeowner discovered that the home they had for sale, but were no longer living in, had been broken into and vandalized.
    __
    The lock had been forced, five wooden doors had been so badly damaged they needed to be replaced, the walls and floors had been gouged with knives, and vodka and orange juice containers were strewn all over the house. It also appeared that sexual activity had taken place on some of the beds, and a computer, some winter gear, and clothing had all been stolen.

    On a related note, I am going to have to pay more attention to the National Enquirer’s political gossip. They reported this in January

  147. 147.

    Bill Section 147

    Still have the ticket. That was my first Big Game. My wife (girlfriend at the time) went to Cal and it was really a very good game even before The Play.

  148. 148.

    asiangrrlMN

    @MattR: Damn. I missed that sentence because I was skimming. Then again, I’m not surprised. I mean, drinking and sex are pretty standard for teens. The knife-gouging, though, uh, no.

  149. 149.

    Zuzu

    @Polish the Guillotines:

    I heard that canon many times as I toiled in the Boalt library. We must have won plenty of games in my time there, but my main memory is of seeing all the blue- and- gold-bedecked alums going up the hill full of hope and then straggling back down with glum faces.

  151. 151.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @MattR #141: Well, as long as Alex Rodriguez wasn’t there . . . .

    h/t David Letterman

  152. 152.

    Max

    @Yutsano: will always be a Bills fan. Have lived in Jax and Oakland and resisted the urge. But I hear the Seahawks have a beautiful view in their stadium.

  153. 153.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: If he comes west while I’m in Arizona I will fly out to Ithaca just to chew him out. Okay it’s more or less an empty threat but I definitely could be perturbed if I miss the opportunity for a BJ hangout. I won’t even share any leftover dim sum.

    @asiangrrlMN: They will manage I’m sure. In fact I may crack the back door tomorrow so they can run in and out when they want. Of course the back door is right next to where Mama Hen is nesting (I’m gonna be a granddaddy again I’m so happy!) so that could be very entertaining to watch.

    @Max: Seahawks Stadium (or Qwest Field, gak) is a VERY beautiful building not far from the water or downtown. In fact, the stadium is right across the street from Safeco Field (where the Mariners play) so it’s more or less a single purpose compound right there. Oh and there’s the SLUT.

  155. 155.

    hamletta

    @Mike Kay: Wait, you mentioned Maryscot O’Connor and RIP.

    That RIP was for her blogging and, um, sanity, right? Not her person?

  156. 156.

    General Egali Tarian Stuck

    Spring is springing here in the high desert. Today was a pristine day at 75 degrees, with sunshine, blue sky and zero humidity. And only a smidgeon of wind. Changed the oil and filter in the truck and next week will get much needed new tires.The beloved Hummingbirds will soon return and me bones don’t ache too much. And base-a-ball is right around the corner.

    Charlie gives a big paws up!!

  159. 159.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    SG Universe is like BSG…except without the annoying religious bullshit that so ruined the show, especially near the end.
    Oh, and BTW, I don’t know how the fuck I remember this, but I remember reading The Corner back in another life (literally) and one of the contributors posted something about being in the Stanford band for that game…eh, its late and I’m tired, but that ought to dampen you enthusiasm for it.

  160. 160.

    soonergrunt

    @DB: John Elway. I loved him as a quarterback, all those years that my parents owned Broncos season tickets.
    Of course he’s a republican, which these days means crazy-assed wingnut.
    Shame really.

  163. 163.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    Open thread, so I figure it’s a good idea to get other people’s perspective on this. Is it weird that I’m a guy and I’m incredibly offended by this letter?

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/03/gender.html

    I mean, this guy traffics in the worst kind of inaccurate misogynist imagery (“all the attractive women my age date older guys with more money and nicer cars”). Am I correct in assuming this is the passive-agressive “nice guy” mentality most feminists these days lampoon?

  164. 164.

    gwangung

    Oh, and BTW, I don’t know how the fuck I remember this, but I remember reading The Corner back in another life (literally) and one of the contributors posted something about being in the Stanford band for that game…eh, its late and I’m tired, but that ought to dampen you enthusiasm for it.

    And the Incomparables haven’t disowned him by now????

  166. 166.

    asiangrrlMN

    @Tattoosydney: Do not know. I am hiding out here. Not gonna leave. Not gonna do it. How the hell are you, hon? Feeling better?

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: Saw that on Twitter. You are correct. He is someone I would thoroughly mock, but not date. You know, I had a modicum of sympathy for his ‘men are trapped in the system’ bit because it’s true. You know what, though? You can do something about it. Start your own movement. You think it was fun and games being a feminist back in the day? No. Yet, he’d rather whine about how we women are so shallow and blah blah blah, hey, why can’t I get a date?

    @General Egali Tarian Stuck: It’s hard to be a pampered pup!

  168. 168.

    Yutsano

    @Tattoosydney: It’s safe (I think), at least things seem to be a bit more chill on this thread. I swear no one does shrill like we do here.

    How’s life?

  169. 169.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I mean, rather than demonstrating that men are somehow disadvantaged in the evolution of gender roles, I thought it proved that some men are still TOO advantaged. I mean, he says “I wouldn’t expect anyone to date me”, when the whole screed is just complaining about how women won’t date him (and implies that they should).

  170. 170.

    Wile E. Quixote

    I went to the prosthetist today and after observing my gait he shortened my prosthesis by 1/2″. Holy shit, what a difference having one leg 1/2″ longer than the other makes.

  171. 171.

    burnspbesq

    @MikeJ:

    The man still won’t do anything to piss off Byrd.

    Actually, I think it’s Cole he doesn’t want to piss off. But the firm of Singler, Scheyer, and Smith LLP will take care of that.

  172. 172.

    Mnemosyne

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    I wanted better career prospects, so I gave up love to get it. If I had made the opposite decision, nobody would say that I was owed anything. But if I do get successful, it is virtually certain that I will be regarded in some circles as just another beneficiary of a system (Hollywood, in my case) set up only to promote or benefit white men. Nobody will give a shit about the sacrifices I made.

    In other words, he broke up with his girlfriend because he decided he could do better than her once he hit the big time in LA, and now he’s discovered that he is not, in fact, the shiznit and is just another average Joe here. Too bad, so sad.

    I especially loved the part where his ungrateful ex wouldn’t even take him back after he dumped her. The nerve!

  175. 175.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @Mnemosyne:

    The thing that just makes me call bullshit on the whole thing is that I’m a poor grad student roughly the same age as the guy and I’ve never encountered “all these women who will only date older guys with money”. It sounds more like the guy has a personal axe to grind with specific women than anything. It just sort of amazed me that Andrew printed it–is he that clueless on hetero relationships that he couldn’t see what BS it was?

  176. 176.

    asiangrrlMN

    @Yutsano: Aw, babies! I feel like a proud mama!

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: Well, I had a conversation with a man (in real life) who felt similarly–that the societal roles placed on men are burdensome (they are) and that men don’t have the movement or resources women do (they don’t), but his solution was to whine about it and want women to help him. I told him to start his own movement. He said it might make people mad. Well, yeah. It will. That’s kinda the point. That’s where the advantaged thing comes in–he wanted women to help him with his issues with how society dictates men should be. Same with the guy in the letter. He has a legitimate complaint, but then his reaction is that all women are bitchez because they won’t date him. That’s where your privileged thinking comes into play. And, to be obvious, his one tiny point of credibility is pretty much negated by the rest of the letter.

    @Wile E. Quixote: So, this is a good thing?

  179. 179.

    Mnemosyne

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    Notice that he only mentions once, in passing, that the industry he’s in is entertainment. You know, the business where people are constantly networking to try and find jobs, and where “networking” usually includes dating and hook-ups.

    He’s absolutely right that the beautiful women he wants to date are passing him up for more powerful men with more money. That’s because those are the men who can advance their acting careers. He’s basically bitching that he gave up love to advance his career, so they should be giving up their careers to be with him.

    IOW, he’s even more of a whiner than he first sounds. “I thought I would go to Hollywood and have Zoe Saldana and Megan Fox fighting for my attentions, but it’s not like that at all! It’s all the fault of the feminists!”

  180. 180.

    Yutsano

    @Tattoosydney: I would highly suggest not doing the whole pastry chef thing until the cough has totally subsided. Just a suggestion. Glad you feel well enough to stare at briefs until the lettering runs together though.

    I need to get on a plane tomorrow. Work is tiring me the fuck out. I think I’m where you are right now in that I need to do something different like NOW.

  181. 181.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    A reader writes: Call me a misogynist asshole,

    Okay. You’re a misogynist asshole.

    (Not you, of course, MGoMR.)

  182. 182.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I don’t know, I don’t think it’s actually that tough that anyone has to make their own “movement”. I mean, I think things have evolved to the point where women don’t just look to men for money, and that his problem sounds more like he’s trying to date the wrong kind of (materialistic) women than anything.

    @Mnemosyne

    I didn’t even catch the whole Hollywood angle. That’s exactly what it sounds like.

  183. 183.

    asiangrrlMN

    @Tattoosydney: Sorry to hear that. Did you drink the tea? Me, I am coming down with my yearly bronchitis thing. Damn it. It was nearly 80 degrees here. YUCK! Do. Not. Want!

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: Yeah, ok. Now that I’m re-reading it, he’s just a big asshole. Never mind. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I shouldn’t have bothered.

  184. 184.

    Wile E. Quixote

    @asiangrrlMN:

    @Wile E. Quixote: So, this is a good thing?

    Oh Praise the Mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster yes it is. My left foot was catching on things and I could feel the effect of being off balance in my hip and lower back. Now I just need the sore I gave myself by doing four hours of elliptical trainer in two days to heal so I can go back to the gym and start hammering the elliptical trainer again.

  185. 185.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I hear ya on the weather thing, though this past winter was absolutely hellish for me. I normally like colder weather, but I went through so much loss and heartbreak in January and February that I’m looking forward to spring and summer…just because.

  188. 188.

    MikeJ

    Grr, FYWP. I’ll try again:

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:
    I don’t know who they lampoon, but I used to have a room mate who was one of those people that whined about how he was a nice guy and girls only dated jerks. Working on exactly the same girls, I had a decent level of success, not by being a jerk but simply by expressing interest, flirting, dancing. You know, things guys do when they want to get anywhere with a girl.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that the so called “nice guys” are just too chicken shit to dance, afraid they’ll look stupid, or not cool or something.

  189. 189.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @Amanda in the South Bay:

    Gah, I can relate. Sometimes I don’t actually feel like I’m awake and normal until the spring/summer. And the weather isn’t even THAT bad here in San Francisco where I live!

  190. 190.

    burnspbesq

    Just for giggles, I’d like to see what happens if a teabagger tries to go to DMV in California tomorrow, only to find it closed for Cesar Chavez Day.

  191. 191.

    asiangrrlMN

    @MikeJ: You got it in one. Plus, we can tell when it’s an act. And, most so-called self-proclaimed nice guys are really passive-aggressive jerks under it all. Your approach is much better.

    @burnspbesq: Bwahahahahahahahah!

  192. 192.

    Mnemosyne

    @asiangrrlMN:
    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    I’ve been in LA for over 20 years (yikes!) and am an entertainment industry drone myself, so I know and loathe the type. They were the most brilliant guy in their small-town high school, and it’s a shock to their systems to get out here and discover that there are at least 1,000 people who are smarter and more talented than they are.

    But they can’t accept that maybe they’re not quite as brilliant as they thought, so it’s all the fault of the feminists if Megan Fox isn’t stripping down on their doorstep after their first week on the job.

  193. 193.

    Yutsano

    @burnspbesq: It was more a lay-up than a long-shot three-pointer. In fact, I’m half-amazed no one beat me to the punch on that. I’m getting a reputation at work for sneaking out classic snark like that when no one is expecting it. I have to admit, being underestimated has its advantages.

    @Mnemosyne: I do have a small confession to make: my impression of LA was dictated by the Great Orange Cloud (too long a story to fit into an edit) until I went to visit a friend in Long Beach and he introduced me to both Little Tokyo and the LA Farmer’s Market. I suddenly realized this place might just be livable. I’m still a Nor’westerner though.

  194. 194.

    Amanda in the South Bay

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    Hehe, I’m just down the road in Sunnyvale. The weather was bizarre today-raining one minute and sunny the next. But its not winter, and I don’t want/need to be reminded of that now.

  195. 195.

    burnspbesq

    @Mnemosyne:

    The flip side of that, alas, is all the young women who come to Hollywood to make it in show business, find that they aren’t quite pretty enough or talented enough, and end up making another kind of films on the other side of the Sepulveda Pass.

  198. 198.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @MikeJ:

    As a “nice guy” who suddenly just started thinking differently one day about a decade ago, I think it’s more grounded in misogyny and entitlement. You think you’re unworthy because of some sort of insecurity you have, and then because you’re a misogynist you want to blame women for your own problem. Women, of course, pick up on this and steer away. Then you interpret this to further your initial belief that “women are bitches”. It’s very circular (and screwed up) reasoning.

  199. 199.

    burnspbesq

    @Yutsano:

    It was more a lay-up than a long-shot three-pointer.

    Don’t underestimate the difficulty of a lay-up. Or did you not see the end of the Stanford – Xavier women’s game last night?

  200. 200.

    Mnemosyne

    @burnspbesq:

    Very true. I bitch about wasting my two film degrees, but at least I am a respectable secretary at a large company and not stuck waiting tables or worse.

    (Sadly, yes, being a union employee my title is actually “secretary.” I don’t even get the comforting fig leaf of “assistant” or “coordinator.”)

  203. 203.

    MattR

    @Yutsano: I will never misunderestimate you again. I actually had the same thought as soon as I saw the first comment, but thought it was too obvious to mention.

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: Should I take comfort with the fact that I have not progressed past this step.

    You think you’re unworthy because of some sort of insecurity you have,

  204. 204.

    burnspbesq

    @Yutsano:

    That would be the behind-the-back 360 windmill dunk. Which explains a lot of what has gone wrong with basketball.

  207. 207.

    Mnemosyne

    @Yutsano:

    I do have a small confession to make: my impression of LA was dictated by the Great Orange Cloud (too long a story to fit into an edit) until I went to visit a friend in Long Beach and he introduced me to both Little Tokyo and the LA Farmer’s Market.

    It took me quite a while to learn to love LA. When it comes to high culture (museums, etc.) it can’t even touch Chicago. But once you really throw yourself into the melting pot and realize that you can literally find a neighborhood full of people from anyplace in the world somewhere in LA, it’s pretty cool. You can walk from two blocks full of Ethiopian restaurants and shops up to an entire neighborhood full of Orthodox Jews in about half an hour if you just head north on Fairfax Avenue.

  208. 208.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @MattR:

    You also have to be a little bit of a jerk to begin with, I think; because it requires blaming others for your own problems. The main thing that snapped me out of it is that I just stopped blaming other people for my problems. While I think women can be weirded out a little by insecurity, I think most can tell the difference between harmless insecurity and insecurity with burning passive agressive rage.

  209. 209.

    Yutsano

    @MattR: BJ mind melds occur more often than most folks will admit. I’ve had one with two attorneys on here: the good country tax lawyer and FH # 1 in Australia. It may be suggesting some sort of predestination that I’ve considered as a career but I might go in another direction. Plus I love both actresses.

    @Mnemosyne: My personal opinion: every person who claims to be a student of history must go to Little Tokyo and see the Great Black Line. It was quite simply the most moving memorial I have ever seen of one of our country’s greatest sins. I literally teared up when I got to the end.

  211. 211.

    asiangrrlMN

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: The other thing I see with the ‘nice guy’ types is how petulant they become if they feel their efforts aren’t being appreciated enough. Which they can never be. And, I also think it’s because they are putting effort into being nice only to get laid (or a date), which is not nice in and of itself.

    @Mnemosyne: That’s really fascinating. Do tell more.

  212. 212.

    MinneapolisPipe

    Agree with The Main Gauche of Mild Reason #182:

    It seems that he is taking some personal disappointments and applying them to a whole gender.

    Perhaps Hollywood is not the right place to look for love.

  213. 213.

    Mnemosyne

    @asiangrrlMN:

    I would love to, but I am much too fond of my anonymity and I know that other people from my company post here, too. It’s very weird to be reading Balloon-Juice and suddenly realize that you recognize someone from your day job.

    I’ll just say that my company’s spokesperson is a rodent and leave it at that.
    :-)

  214. 214.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @Yutsano:

    Great Black Line? Wikipedia has failed me! Something to do with the Japanese internment?

  216. 216.

    hamletta

    @Mnemosyne: I’ve had the titles, but I’d have given them up in heartbeat for union representation. I live in one of those right-to-work-for-less states.

  217. 217.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Front page of tomorrow’s — okay, actually today’s — dammit, *Wednesday’s* NYT lead article says Obama is announcing major offshore drilling initiatives, or more accurately overturning the bans on offshore drilling. Atlantic, Gulf and Alaskan coasts all included. My kneejerk enviro response is that this is a Bad Thing, but I’m willing to be persuaded that enviro impact will be minimal and energy security enhanced. I suspect it will be challenged in the courts and take years to sort out, giving us that much more time to develop alternative energy sources (maybe that’s the 11-dimensional chess strategy?). But on its face, it’s rather distressing and making it hard to be the enthusiastic Obot I truly am. Whatever happens, the political fallout promises to be amusing.

  218. 218.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @hamletta:

    Am I the only one that feels that “right to work” is one of the creepiest orwellian phrases ever? I remember the first time I looked it up to see what it meant I was really confused because the explanation had so little to do with the actual words.

  219. 219.

    MattR

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason: Yeah, for the most part it has been how my insecurites affected my actions that did me in and not how women have reacted to the insecurities. But then again I don’t particularly care anymore since I have decided against marriage (or any type of permanent relationship) and children.

  221. 221.

    The Main Gauche of Mild Reason

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It’s bad, but isn’t the whole argument that the oil companies already control tons of sites in the US where they’re not drilling because it’s not worth building the infrastructure for the small amount of oil? Everything I’ve heard about the American coastline suggests the same thing. I have a feeling that, regardless of the policy, we’re not going to see a rash of offshore drilling anytime soon.

  224. 224.

    Mnemosyne

    @hamletta:

    You know how companies are always claiming that they moved out of California because the taxes were too high? It’s more because we still have some pretty strict employee rights laws, even though technically we are also a right-to-work state. I think we’re one of the few states in the country where you have to pay overtime for more than 8 hours of work in a day regardless of how many hours you work that week, so you can earn overtime even if you were only scheduled for 20 hours that week.

    They tried to take that away at one point but the outcry was so huge that they brought it back almost immediately.

  225. 225.

    Mnemosyne

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The only ray of hope I can offer you is that it seems that 9 times out of 10, “anonymous White House sources” are pushing a story that’s the opposite of what the president is actually planning to do in hopes of pulling him to their direction. Not saying that it’s not happening, but I, too, am willing to wait for the details of the actual announcement.

  227. 227.

    Martin

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s a mixed bag. Looks like they’re canceling some drilling leases in Alaska and opening some that are >50 miles offshore on the east coast.

    Part of the problem with increased drilling in Alaska was that a fair bit of that oil was exported. The drilling in Virginia is almost guaranteed to stay domestic. Less shipping usually leads to less environmental risk.

    It’s not a great development, but if they’re going to try and maintain domestic production (more drilling is needed for that to happen) then it sounds like they’re going about it in a more responsible manner.

  229. 229.

    MattR

    Sarah Palin was relieved to hear that the NY Times article said there would be no drilling in Bristol … Bay.

    (EDIT: And with that horrible joke, I should probably get to bed too)

  230. 230.

    freelancer

    @Yutsano:

    If he comes west while I’m in Arizona I will fly out to Ithaca just to chew him out. Okay it’s more or less an empty threat but I definitely could be perturbed if I miss the opportunity for a BJ hangout. I won’t even share any leftover dim sum.

    Yuts, where are you in AZ? I’m gonna be in Scottsdale from April 9th to the 13th, and I’m looking to maybe move there in 6-10 months. If you’re in town, I’d love to meet up with a fellow BJer. Saturday, I think we’re taking a road trip, Sunday, we’re going to a matinee D-backs game, but that night, and Monday, I’m pretty much free and clear. So what’s up?

    If you want to contact me personally, I’ve posted my email in the left sidebar of my first blogger site.

  231. 231.

    Yutsano

    @freelancer: I’ll be staying at a hotel in Scottsdale, Thursday night I’ll be settling in and most likely having dinner with either the bride or my Communist friend, Friday is the wedding, Saturday right now I have zero plans, and Sunday before I fly out I’m having dim sum at the Golden Buddha in the Chinese Cultural center. But I’ll be down there at the same time as you! I’ll drop you a note and give you my cell digits.

  232. 232.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @MattR #222: Huh? What? If that was snark, I don’t get it, and if you’re serious, I *really* don’t get it.

    @everyone else: Yeah, you’re probably right. Anyhow, I really need to get some sleep.

  233. 233.

    freelancer

    @Yutsano:

    lol, sounds fucked, but yeah, give me a shout via email.

    ETA: Saturday the plan is a road trip to visit Meteor Crater, but that’s a 6 hour round trip, and who knows what Saturday night holds? That said. you know how to reach me.

  235. 235.

    fucen tarmal

    sorry but nothing that happens or ever happens in a cal state south oakland vs leland stanford juco game is ever the best of anything. the schools are seldom if ever really any good, and never good at the same time….

    say it with me…overrated

    over rated

    o ver ray ted..

    both schools combined to be, pretty mediocre that year, and sure some famous people went to either, but fame whoring only matters so much, in college football to be a big play you have to be in a big game, and to be a big game, you have to have winning schools playing each other..

    quirky, wierd, unusual cool, yes, the crhistina ricci-zoey deshanel play of college football, but hardly what you would point to as greatness of its craft

  236. 236.

    Yutsano

    @fucen tarmal: You have the stink of the University of Spoiled Children about you. Fortunately it can be cured by a few dunks in the fountains at Westwood.

    @freelancer: You have mail good sir. Also a method of contacting me next week should you wish. I’d recommend texting though, I seem to be more prone to respond to those.

  238. 238.

    Yutsano

    @Tattoosydney: Is that where you’ve been? I tried to delve into the original Hamsher/GG thread, I gave up after 50 comments. I’m somehow glad I skipped over that one at work. This place will be a bloody mess to clean up tomorrow, and I mean that literally.

  242. 242.

    Viva BrisVegas

    As a foreign barbarian raised on a different form of football (no, not soccer) can anyone tell me what the hell the band was doing on the field during play, and why the band seemed to have more people in it than the crowd.

  243. 243.

    fucen tarmal

    @yutsano,

    nah, not a west coaster, just an east coaster who likes to point out that we aren’t biased, that would imply intent, we are just unimpressed.

  244. 244.

    slightly_peeved

    @The Main Gauche of Mild Reason:

    As another “nice guy” who thankfully managed to learn better before I turned into one of those sad resentful fuckers, I think the “nice guys” are the same as the jerks. Both objectify women; one group as below them, the other as above them, but they’re both wrong. Maybe if the guy treated the women he met as individual people, rather than viewing his inability to get laid as a symptom of post-millenial gender politics, he might be more willing to go out and meet new women, engage with them as people, and actually have relationships.

    From the letter:

    I just don’t have anyone to officially blame for it.

    Official blame or not, the only person with responsibility for his situation is him. If he learns this, he’s taken the first step towards not being a jackass.

    As a foreign barbarian raised on a different form of football (no, not soccer)

    League or Union?

    I mean, if laterals are what make an exciting game of football, why not play a game with nothing but…

  245. 245.

    JCT

    I was there! It was my junior year and I was right in the middle of the student section — it was a crazy game and at that point we were settling down for *another* depressing loss.

    It was impossible to clearly see what was going on in the field after the kickoff and the whole stadium was screaming anyway (and we were already bracing ourselves for the pain of watching the hated John Elway dance around with the Axe)

    It is hard to convey our shock, immediately followed by joy when that cannon went off behind our shoulder — but my friends and I spent the next hour dancing on the field. The campus was crazy for the next 24 hours– even my roommates who did not care about football.

    Almost as much fun was the Monday issue of the Daily Californian with Elway whining about how the Cal cheaters had ruined his last college game. All too perfect.

    I had a great time showing the YouTube video to my teenagers a few years ago…. for once mom did “something” cool.

    Thanks for reminding me of a great college weekend.

    JCT
    Cal ’84

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    Viva BrisVegas

    @slightly_peeved:

    League or Union?

    League. I played Union at school and that was enough to put me off it for life.

    Go Eels! (Yes, somewhere there is a football team called the Eels).

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    daverave

    I was at that game, too, also. I was living in N. Oakland at the time after graduating that spring from Berkeley and the wife and I scalped tickets and sat right behind the Stanfurd band. It was quite the spectacle and a very satisfying conclusion to Elway’s collegiate career, IMHO. The Play, like The Catch and The Flip, never grows old for me.

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    TonyT

    Christ, yes. My best friend was on Rally Committee (he was canoneer) and I got to see that freaking game and it was unbelievable

    And the parties that night were equally so

    In hindsight, it was probably the high point of my life, I wonder if that’s good or bad?

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