I’ve been meaning to put up a big post for the Balloon Juice store the past five-six days, and I just haven’t gotten around to it. Tomorrow, I swear! For now, just remember the links to the right,and that all proceeds go to animal rescue.
Also, is a Pittsburgh thing to put ketchup on meatloaf before you cook it, or is that everywhere?
plaindave
Ketchup, then bake. St. Louis, for sure.
dmbeaster
Well, at least in Ohio where I grew up. My mom did it – was great.
Svensker
It is the only correct way to cook it. Actually, Betty Crocker recommends it in her 1950 cookbook — don’t know whether it was ubiq before that or not.
Tattoosydney
Yay!
Bill Bailey hates the Last Night of the Proms.
Sentient Puddle
So, Rahm is officially a candidate, the courts say. Which means that MayorEmanuel is a great read tonight.
stuckinred
Pat down half the meatloaf and hollow out a channel. Fill it with mashed potatoes and build the rest of the meatloaf. Slice, yum.
And don’t let your meat loaf!
Sapheriel
we do ketchup or bbq sauce in north carolina.
jeff
I’m from Alabama, and we do that (unaccountably) there as well.
freelancer
You’re killing me, Smalls! That’s everywhere. And when my parents served it, we had a small dollop of Ketchup that you’d dip the ketchup-baked meatloaf in as well. I don’t really like ketchup, except for when in a meatloaf. Mmmmmm.
JAHILL10
I’ve seen ketchup on the outside of meatloaf in Oklahoma, Mississippi and Pennsylvania. I think it is a U.S. universal, but it is still gross.
All snowed in with cabin fever and I’m so twitchy I can’t settle down enough to get any work done. Very frustrating.
You Don't Say
My Nebraska-bred mother did it. The best part of the meatloaf, the well-done top with thickened, ketchup glaze.
Gin & Tonic
Those of you who understand Internet routing should read this report about the shutoff of Egypt. Actually, I think it’s mostly intelligible for anyone. This is historic.
Angry Black Lady
it’s everywhere and it’s gross. (meatloaf in general, not ketchup.)
stuckinred
Goggle Images Meat Loaf Almost all have keputch!
psychobroad
The black lady who raised me (in GA) put a 1 to 1 to 1/2 mixture of ketchup, brown sugar, and dry mustard on the meatloaf during the last 15 minutes of cooking.
erlking
Well, we never did it in Lancaster when I was growing up but maybe it was a Philly v Pitt. thing.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Now I have a craving for meat loaf. This meat loaf:
@stuckinred:
Maybe with some blue cheese crumbles baked into the top.
AliceBlue
We do ketchup in Georgia as well. Adding a little brown sugar, nutmeg and dried mustard to the ketchup dresses it up a little.
wmd
The ketchup thing is nationwide.
Putting a sausage or two in the middle is less common. Nice hot Italian sausage or even a brat is a tasty addition. And bacon on top instead of ketchup is more to my liking.
I put carrots in my meatloaf so I’m not a traditionalist.
freelancer
@stuckinred:
“His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.”
The Golux
Writing from the Nutmeg State, I second AliceBlue’s suggestions. As for the nutmeg itself, don’t be shy, especially if you have a real nutmeg and a microplane grater. Pre-grated nutmeg is, well, meh.
Warren Terra
Couple of things for the Open Thread tonight:
A terrible, awful story in the New York Times today about a gay-rights activist beaten to death with a hammer in Uganda. But the most amazing thing in the article is the complaints from American evangelist Don Schmierer, taking criticism for his ties with murderous anti-gay groups in Uganda, and he is in no doubt who is the victim here:
Yup, that’s right – he‘s the one getting “bludgeoned”. I feel for the fellow. And I can fullheartedly recommend Jeff Sharlet’s article on American-backed Evangelical anti-gay activity in Uganda from last fall(link, subscription required).
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In a more lighthearted tale, Kevin Drum had a post about La Palin today that, it turns out, is pure hilarity:
Richland is in the tri-cities, Hanford Nuclear Reservation area of Washington, on the other side of the mountains from Seattle and Puget Sound. It’s not the most retrograde part of the state, but you’re well into Gods, Guns, and Gays territory. And apparently Spudnut is a store that makes Potato-infused Doughnuts, quite possibly delicious ones. But the payoff comes in a comment posted by one “kevinsd”:
So, to recap this one: Obama said that we must strive to be the best country we can, citing the drive to the moon inspired by the phenomenon of Sputnik. Palin says no; instead, we must aspire to sell delicious empty calories, in the hope that a few decades down the line we can cling to life as the remnants of a once-great empire, a metaphorical 35 stores down from 600 at our height.
She truly is the gift that keeps on giving.
Punchy
Is Pouncey gunna play or not? The redheaded trollop on The Four Letter Network says nada. I’m guessing Tomlin says otherwise. What’s the story up there in the Burgh?
suzanne
My mom does that. From Long Island.
Meatloaf is so fucking gross.
freelancer
@Warren Terra:
Gift? Hardly. She makes me yearn for a national Spuds Mackenzie moment.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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I don’t understand why President Obama let the cat out of the bag to al qaeda about the lack of TSA security molestation procedures on trains, especially when it wasn’t a fat cat. Really, really funny joke, though.
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suzanne
I can’t get the baby to stop barfing. Well, spitting up. Yesterday, I would have needed a third hand if I’d cared to keep a count of how many times I got horked upon.
Oi.
stuckinred
@suzanne: My wife is a lactation consultant, want me to wake her up and axe her advice?
Tim O
As a professional chef I say cook it half way browning it nicely BEFORE putting the ketchup on. Then top it with ketchup and slices of bacon and finish until done inside and the ketchup is dark red and almost chewy. Browning first gives you the best flavor from the meat. Otherwise, covering the meat first will cause the meat to virtually boil underneath the ketchup and nobody likes boiled beef unless it’s intentional and corned.
Gin & Tonic
@suzanne: Relax. In about 15 years s/he will be drinking disgusting cheap wine and barfing on him/herself.
gbear
I wasn’t hungry before I started reading this post. Now I want to head out to an all-night diner followed up with a stop at the local gas-n-groceries to raid their ‘pastry’ racks. Maybe a piece of toast will stop the cravings…
& MN puts ketchup on their home-made meatloaves too, but I don’t ever recall seeing it baked that way in a restaurant. Mostly served with mashed potatoes and cornstarch gravy.
Ed Marshall
In the meatloaf is fucked up. A glaze on top of the meatloaf in the last fifteen minutes of baking is mandatory. I learned that from my ancient great-grandmother from Mississippi. She would put ketchup in the spaghetti sauce *after* it was done, and as backwards as that is supposed to be, she didn’t put it into the mixture as she was cooking.
JCJ
Since the thread about donating blood earlier today I have had an awful realization. My driver’s license has me listed as an organ donor, but now that Dick Cheney says he might be interested in a heart transplant I might have to reconsider. I would hate to have my brain squished in an accident and have my heart given to that bastard. I could only hope that if that were to occur my heart would quit in protest.
Oh, wait. They are right! Both sides do it.
stuckinred
@Tim O: And the sugar in the ketchup will burn too, also.
Svensker
@suzanne:
Oik, that’s horrible. Poor little one, poor you. Be sure to give him/her (I forgot! I’m sorry!) some pedialyte or some such and keep a close eye out for dehydration. They’re so little, it’s easy to have happen and it can get serious fast.
Hopefully, horking all done soon!
Also, too, meatloaf is NOT gross. In fact, I’ve got a big ol’ leftover meatloaf in the fridge and there is nothing better than cold meatloaf sammiches with mayo, ketchup and iceberg lettuce. If you can get a choc milkshake alongside you got the lunch o’ champions.
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: I like Meat Loaf!
@Angry Black Lady: For some reason, being with my best friend makes me want to eat meatloaf.
@suzanne: Aw, poor Mia. Poor Mom and Dad, too.
John W.
@psychobroad:
My very white dad with no southern ancestry makes it that way too. Delightful.
stuckinred
@asiangrrlMN: I’m watching the Illini play Indiana on the radio and DYING!
gbear
Now meatloaf with mayo – that sounds gross.
The Dangerman
@Warren Terra:
Fault of the Unions, no doubt.
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: Not going well, eh? And, shouldn’t that be ‘listening’ to them play?
OK, if meatloaf isn’t gross enough for you, I just did a blog post on The Grifter Jr., aka Bristol Palin. As a sweetener, I added a clip of Tina Fey as Mama Grizzly. Rawr!
ETA: And a Hedwig video, too. Also.
suzanne
@stuckinred: Awww, thank you, that’s very kind. Don’t wake her up. Though if she has some advice to offer when she’s awake, I’d be thrilled, thank you.
I’m keeping her as still as possible after eating. And for some reason, she does it a lot more toward the end of the day. Morning and midnight feedings not so much. It’s so gross.
Anne Laurie
@Angry Black Lady:
Meatloaf is fine. Ketchup — the American HFCS version — is gross. Tomato paste, good quality meat, and real bread crumbs are essential.
Svensker
@JCJ:
Solution: don’t die. We’re counting on you.
mr. whipple
@suzanne:
Agreed. Hate it. Meat loaf, beet loaf.
stuckinred
@asiangrrlMN: It was a joke and so is the game. We’ll have to hit a 3 to tie with 12 seconds to got to a team that has one fucking win in the conference.
Ed Marshall
and for the record, some ketchup and Worcestershire sauce added to the end product of a spaghetti sauce makes it really, really, tasty.
Zelma
I’m from Pittsburgh and I put ketchup (always Heinz) IN my meatloaf. Makes it moist and yummy.
Cat Lady
Meatloaf sandwiches are the bomb.
What’s going to emerge from the upheaval in the Middle East? I don’t think they want to go back to medieval Islamism – but what? I think we’re all Mayans now. 2012 baby!
Mental Lint
I think the WV-Cole Slaw on Hot Dogs thing is the true regional specialty; ketchup on meatloaf is pretty widespread
Ija
Meatloaf itself is gross, never mind the ketchup. YMMV :)
I have been watching Season 4 of Friday Night Lights. These new kids are not doing it for me. I guess Luke is supposed to be the new Matt, sensitive kid with problematic family and girl trouble. Luke Cafferty, you are no Matt Saracen. And is Becky supposed to be Tyra-lite? I prefer Tyra original version, thank you very much. And continuity demon – Landry graduates a year after Matt, so that means when he was driving Matt around in the first season, he was a freshman? A freshman with a driver’s license? Matt, you will be missed, but get as far away as you can from Julie. Your life will be so much better.
stuckinred
shit
suzanne
@mr. whipple: I was a vegetarian for a while, right during the learning-to-cook years, and so I still don’t really know much about meats. But I wanted to be nice to my meatasaurus husband (then boyfriend), so I offered to cook him a meatloaf once when we were dating. He said OH HELL NO THAT’S GROSS, and I think that was when I knew I was in love.
JCJ
@Svensker:
Oh no! The pressure! I’ll try not to!
asiangrrlMN
@stuckinred: Crap. That’s pretty bad. Apparently, UofM is ranked. Hoocoodanode?
Comrade Luke
@Warren Terra: Not to mention the fact that the only reason Richland exists is because of the government, during the Manhattan Project.
She’s. always. wrong.
Mark S.
@Warren Terra:
I read about Sarah’s take on Sputnik, but that’s the first I heard of Spudnut. God, she’s an idiot.
You could also see from the look on the face of the android who was interviewing her that there was a severe malfunction there. Jesus, Greta, lay off the plastic surgery.
realbtl
2 lbs ground buffalo, 2 eggs, bread crumbs, chopped sweet onions and Anaheim peppers and lots of Worchestershire. Cook it on the BBQ in a foil boat.
Mow that’s a meatloaf.
MikeJ
@realbtl: Not enough fat. Buffalo is tasty, but you need to lard it to get any flavour. Ask your butcher to sew pork fat into the meat.
jeffreyw
I like meatloaf.
Mark S.
@MikeJ:
I believe that. The one time I had buffalo I thought it was utterly tasteless.
Ija
Has anyone mentioned this yet? Mark Salter is the anonymous who wrote O-A Presidential Novel.
asiangrrlMN
@jeffreyw: I like YOUR meatloaf!
@Mark S.: Really? I love buffalo. I think it’s lean and tasty.
The Dangerman
@Mark S.:
There ya go, being all mean and biasy towards her because of her plaid spokenness.
Svensker
@MikeJ:
Sounds tasty, but doesn’t the thread get stuck between your teeth?
MikeJ
@Svensker: No real thread as far as I know (IANAB[1]), they just take a big needle and instead of thread sew fat into meat. There is no meat you can’t improve by sewing pork fat into it. IANAC[2].
[1] I Am Not A Butcher
[2] I Am Not A Cardiologist
T.R. Donoghue
Ketchup in our meatloaf here in Denver. The recipe comes from our family in St. Louis.
The Golux
@Svensker:
Ahh, yes, but then you can eat and floss at the same time.
Multitasking!
Mark S.
@The Dangerman:
You’re right. For penance, I will make a youtube of her saying Spudnut over and over (interspersed with winking and licking her lips) and send it to Rich Lowry.
Comrade Mary
When I was a kid, a neighbour used to make a version of meatloaf with a chain of hard-boiled eggs through the middle, so that every slice had a little sun in it. She also managed to somehow make a sheath-like coating for the whole thing that started with wet bread rolled out like pie dough and somehow baked to something acceptable, like a bargain basement Beef Wellington.
It was actually pretty good. This recipe looks about right, although I haven’t been able to find one with the baked bread coating.
Dee Loralei
YAY! Finally an open thread. I’ve been waiting ALL afternoon. My oldest nephew learned today that he has been accepted as a cadet for West Point’s Class of 2015. How cool is that? Such an honor for such a great young man.
I didn’t talk to her, so I didn’t get any of the details. Like what he’ll major in, or when he has to start his service, or even if he gets a summer vacation this year. I think the answer is no. I vaguely remember they have to report for duty early summer to do boot camp type stuff, if not actual boot camp. Irony alert, they are Mennonites. And yea, I know about the commander from Band of Brothers who died recently. My sister told me a few weeks ago that their church decides membership into their pacifist congregation on a case by case basis. So no one can tell them if he will allowed to become a member when he becomes an adult. Maybe they’ll think of his service time as a prolonged Rumspringa and allow him to stay. But I know almost nothing about the faith.
But major congrats and Kudos to Andrew!!
Comrade Mary
Oh, and this may be relevant to all our interests: The Fat Project.
Tattoosydney
@Comrade Mary:
I found this, which is nothing like what you described, but looks so good I think I have to make it. Now.
gnomedad
From Rick Perlstein’s Facebook page:
scribd.com/doc/47701581/Young-Americans-for-Freedom-Meeting-Minutes-1965
Same shit, different decade.
Dee Loralei
@Comrade Mary: The eggs in it is I think from a French recipe. You could do the bread with sliced de-crusted white bread, rolled together and then coated with melted butter, or you could just buy frozen puff pastry or pie crust and brush with melted butter.
My mom’s always made meatloaf mixing half a can of tomato sauce into the meat mixture and then last 20 minutes or so pouring the remaining sauce over the top. There’s a diner here in Memphis that puts a brown mushroom gravy and bakes it on top of the meatloaf and then serves more on the side and with the mashed potatoes, kinda like a faux Salisbury steak. I like both. I make a Mexican style meatloaf I stuff with cheddar chunks, Monterey jack, green chilis and whole pitted green olives. I roll the meat mixture out, put the stuffings in the center, then roll the entire thing up and pour salsa on top. It’s also pretty yummy.
ETA: to correct typos.
asiangrrlMN
@Dee Loralei: Congratulations to your nephew! so, Mennonite is similar to Amish?
@gnomedad: What. The. Fuck?
@Tattoosydney: Oh god. When I go to the land of Oz, you will make this for me, and all will be bright and gay (especially gay).
Chrisvee
Ketchup or tomato paste but some heathens try to use brown gravy. Philly PA
Chrisvee
Ketchup or tomato paste but some heathens try to use brown gravy. Philly PA
reality-based
ketchup on the meatloaf for the last half-hour of baking, here in NoDak, as well.
Know what else is good in meatloaf? Dijon mustard – about a tablespoon or so for two pounds of meat. also, use half ground pork.
in fact, my canonical meatloaf is:
* one pound EACH of ground pork and ground beef
* beat one egg with about a half-cup milk or cream: add about a cup of finely-crushed saltine cracker, soak till soft, add whole mess to meat (makes for a moist meatloaf)
* while crackers soak, saute one finely-chopped onion in butter till almost soft, add two or three cloves very finely chopped garlic, saute a couple more minutes, let cool, add to meat
* season mixture with about 1-2 tsp worcestershire sauce, one tablepoon or so Grey Poupon, about a tsp crushed thyme, and about 1/2 tsp fresh ground nutmeg – plus salt and LOTS of freshly ground black pepper. Beat mixture well to combine. (or mix gently with hands, for a lighter texture – I like mine solid. )
* Pack gently into a standard-size 9 inch bread pan, and put in a 350 degree oven. After 35 minute or so, drain off accumulated grease and put about a half-inch layer of ketchup on top- then bake about another 30 minutes.
* Eat with baked potatoes and baked squash or creamed spinach or steamed green beans.
* next day – cold meatloaf sandwiches on toast with mayo and dijon mustard – yum!
* run like hell from any meatloaf recipe with dry onion soup mix or condensed tomato soup in it.
Ok, I know nobody ASKED – but really, its good meatloaf.
Dee Loralei
@asiangrrlMN: Yea some Mennonites are exactly the same, not sure why they split from the Amish, other Mennonites are “Black Bumpers” meaning they don’t like shiny reflective surfaces and so the bumpers on their cars are painted flat black instead of the shiny aluminum color. There are “plain Mennonites, those are most like the Amish. My sister’s sect are very much in this world also, they have electricity, indoor plumbing, many of the women work outside the home. The men don’t wear beards or side burns. They all drive cars. They have actual churches, but they are very plain, no stained glass, no fancy alter clothes, no organs. And yea, they live in Lancaster County, PA.
Today is one of those bittersweet days. I’m so happy for him and so damned proud. I mean such an honor for him, but he might have to serve in a war zone. But today, more than most days I miss my grandparents, they all would just be bursting with pride right now. We’ve been here since the 1630’s and members of the family have served in pretty much every war or police action since then, honestly, only Panama, Granada and Gulf War 1 are the only ones I can think of we had no presence. I mean we’ve had a General, Colonels and everything else and no one has gone to a service academy. So it’s a BFD. (Sigh)
ETA: The Mennonite v Amish stuff was explained to me some 20 odd years ago and I may have gotten many of the details wrong. But the gist is there is a difference between them.
Joseph Nobles
Wow, Rand Paul cut $500 billion out of next year’s budget. It’s totally awesome (pdf).
asiangrrlMN
@Dee Loralei: I can understand the mixture of emotions you must be feeling. Still, you must be proud as he sounds like a fine young man.
P.S. Thanks for the basic primer on Mennonites v. the Amish.
@Joseph Nobles: If it doesn’t include Medicare for his patients or his salary, I’m not interested.
fcc
Central Ma.
Ketchup
Our mothers all cooked out of the same books, and their mothers..
Fanny Farmer, Heinz pamphlets, Joy of, etc.
auntieeminaz
@Dee Loralei: Congratulations to your nephew. There are many different categories of Mennonites the largest being the General Conference Mennonites, not all that different from most mainstream Protestant religions. (Except for the pacifism thing.) Both of my parents were Mennonites. My grandfather was quite perturbed when my father enlisted in the Air Force in 1942 but drove him to the train station anyway. My father was never kicked out of the church even though he had a career in the military.
Tattoosydney
I put ketchup on my meatloaf towards the end of baking in Sydney, so it may be a little more widespread than you think.
cckids
@JCJ: but now that Dick Cheney says he might be interested in a heart transplant I might have to reconsider. I would hate to have my brain squished in an accident and have my heart given to that bastard
Ain’t that the truth. For some morbid reason, since I read he was considering that, I have repeatedly flashed on the parents of some poor young adult, finding out that their deceased child’s heart was given to Cheney. Talk about compounding a tragedy.
edit: ok, blockquote not working, why . . . why?
Linkmeister
Here’s the recipe I use, from a Ladies Home Journal cookbook (1st ed., 1960):
* 1 pound ground beef
* 1 egg
* 1/2 cup chili sauce
* 1 tsp. Worcestershire sauce
* 1 tsp. salt
* 1/4 tsp. pepper
* 13 (!) crushed saltine crackers
* 1 chopped onion
* 3-4 slices bacon (optional)
* Ketchup
Mix together the ground beef, egg, chili sauce, Worcestershire sauce, salt, pepper, 10 crushed crackers, and the onion.
Grease a meatloaf pan (I put foil in first, then spray with PAM or its equivalent). Pack the meat mixture into it. Take the remaining crackers, crush them, and sprinkle over the top. Add the bacon strips if desired. Spread ketchup evenly over the top. Bake @ 350 degrees for an hour. Serve with baked potato and a green veggie.
Ailuridae
@Anne Laurie:
This. I have an aversion to ketchup that is a little beyond reasonable. When I bartending long ago if I got any on my hands I had to stop immediately and wash them or risk vomitting. Same with Mayo.
When I first started trying to help people to cook healthily a lot of them really liked the idea of a ground turkey meatload. The thought of the ketchup crust is making me feel ill just thinking about it now. I alternate when I make it currently with a standard italian pasta sauce, plain tomato paste and a simple onion and tomatoes salsa. They all work just fine.
Chuck Butcher
There is good meatloaf and there is disgusting meatloaf. The good stuff I had mostly had ketchup or something similar as a glaze.
Anne Laurie
@Comrade Mary:
I have had “Philippine empanadas”, delicious pasties of spiced ground beef with a hardboiled egg slice in the center. Most of them featured chopped green olives. (One also included fish sauce — lombok? — but I consider that an outlier.) One more possibility to consider in your recipe search.
(General P.S.: I guess it says something about the perversity of the BJ community that this week’s Food Talk is in the “wrong” Open Thread.)
Yutsano
@Warren Terra:
It is, in fact, an institution in the Tri-Cities. I happened to go to college with the nephew of the owners. Spudnuts are amazingly tasty. They’re made from potato flour in fact, which gives them a unique light texture. My brother used to work not too far from their shop. and he loved stopping in on his lunch break to sample the fare. They’re really the only maple bar I’ve ever liked.
freelancer
@Yutsano:
Between Kevin Drum’s description of the company, and a Dish reader’s chronicle of their decline and current survival due to the patronage of government employees, I think everyone can agree that her google fed ramblings in search of Sputnik homonyms have resulted in utter failure. I mean, we talk about reading comprehension and the failure to grasp text.
Palin’s complaint leaves of with one of two conclusions in that one, she is completely ignorant of the Cold War and what catalyzed its end, or two, she knew this obviously wrong thing would result in every single person in the sane world to go “OMFG, Not TRUE! What a moran!” and be able to claim the title of wingnut martyr yet again.
1) Palin’s gone full retard
2) She’s a cynic, and she sees the landscape of 21st century cable news, talk radio, and wingnut blogs. The true believers will never abandon her.
It occurs to me that if the Left were to offer Palin a sweeter Golden parachute than she currently sees, we might see a critical mass of wingnut butthurt. That will never occur though, because she likes the adoration of true believers just a little bit more than she likes a paycheck.
Yutsano
@freelancer: I suppose mentioning the family that owns the place is about as close to DFH in that area would kind of ruin a few things too huh?
suzanne
Is it possible to be so tired that you throw up?
freelancer
@suzanne:
How tired is this kid?
Yutsano
@freelancer: Freshly squeezed, one might say.
freelancer
@Yutsano:
I don’t, by any means wish a flashmob of hate, lefty-style on the proprietors of spudnuts. Good god, in fact, I feel sorry for them considering that they were singled out on national TV by Palin simply for alliterative value.
If I were a nationally known politician whose words reverberated through the national conversation, I’d be damned sure of who I alluded to, especially the ones who I brought up by picking a name out of a thesaurus or rhyming dictionary. Palin fails. It’s her biggest talent. FSM bless America.
freelancer
@Yutsano:
Careful, you’re skating awfully close to milk-libel.
Yutsano
@freelancer: Damn. I was aiming for slight mockage of the Great Orange Speaker. I hope Nancy SMASH makes him weep every single damn day until the roles reverse again.
Warren Terra
@suzanne:
In grad school, I pretty much plumbed the depths of sleep deprivation (although I remember almost with awe how good it felt to sleep for about fourteen straight hours in the couple of weeks I experimented with sleeping three or four times a week and working the rest of the time), and nausea was not among the effects I recall experiencing. Pain; slowness of thought, reaction, and movement; disorientation; clumsiness; and various other effects, but not nausea. Of course, that was just my experience.
Anne Laurie
@suzanne: When I get beyond-sensible tired, it gives me vertigo, and when I get vertigo I throw up. If you’re THAT tired, please hand the baby over to a responsible third party (with a few bottles of expressed milk of course) and lock yourself into a dark, quiet room for at least 12 hours. If Mia is that tired, maybe she needs some kind of supplementary feeding so she can sleep longer between feeds?
I’d ask if you’d considered co-sleeping, but IANAP and I don’t know whether that’s currently considered state-of-the-art or well-intentioned-child-abuse. My mom swore by it, but that was a loooooooong time ago.
JenJen
In Cincinnati, we put Montgomery Inn BBQ sauce on the meatloaf before baking it.
But I get the ketchup thing. Grew up eating ketchup meatloaf. You can do better than that.
Lysana
My mother used tomato soup instead of ketchup. Campbell’s out of the can, no dilution.
Xenos
Anyone who thinks co-sleeping an infant to be child abuse can go to hell. Healthy and sane moms are absolutely necessary for healthy children.
Xenos
And don’t use ketchup to coat the meatloaf, dummy. All the sugar in the ketchup will carmelize and turn black. Use a can of tomato sauce with basil. If it is too runny, strain the sauce.
Then serve with ketchup. Or better, mustard.
Omnes Omnibus
I don’t know about putting ketchup on meatloaf, but one does put it on cold meatloaf in meatloaf sandwiches.
JPL
A meatloaf open thread. Yum.
I’ve been making ina garten’s turkey meatloaf for years. link
birthmarker
I make a topping of organic ketchup (It’s just better. If you are older, you will be reminded of the way ketchup used to taste,) water and a dollop of Caro syrup, and top meatloaf with sauce during last few minutes of cooking. You can also successfully make meatloaf out of turkey breast, but just up all the ingredients. Really season it. It should SMELL like something. (Mustard, worcestershire, something.) Rachael Ray also suggests cooking one bite first to check seasoning, which works.
Michael
Ugh. Hate the ketchup – it fouls the gravy. I use a third beef, a third sausage and a third lamb. Oatmeal and onions for filler, some savory worcestershire as I hand mix, roasted covered over a bit of water, and then I use the drippings for gravy.
Jerry
Sheesh, John, you guys already did the french fries inside the sandwich thing, you don’t get credit for meatloaf preparation too.
IrishGirl
Universal, we did that in Memphis too
Patty K
Does anyone know where Maureen Dowd has been these past few weeks? The NYT doesn’t even say she is “off today” on the days when her column should run but is missing. (I especially miss the the incisive opinions of her brother Kevin that she likes to regale us with — snark, snark.)
Thomas
My Mom grew up in Ohio, too, and she always did a special meatloaf sauce –ketchup, yellow mustard, and brown sugar. She would glaze, then bake, then put the rest of the sauce (warmed) on top when the loaf came out of the oven.
tesslibrarian
I don’t, but my favorite meatloaf is half bison or sirloin/half lamb, mixed with fresh rosemary and garlic, and filled with blue cheese in the middle, served with mashed potatoes or grits (“polenta” to be fancy) seasoned with parmesan. Add a side of roasted asparagus and it’s a delight.
Gravenstone
@realbtl:
I use equal parts bison and suasage (a local brand that has bacon mixed in, they also have a style containing diced apples which works well), fine diced onion, bread crumbs and egg. I alternate between glazing and just letting it build a nice all over crust. Noms.
Michael Carpet
In California, ketchup and salsa, 50-50, last half hour.
Ab_Normal
@Warren Terra: Dang it, one of the worst things about being diagnosed with celiac was giving up the spudnuts (former Richland resident)
twiffer
ketchup is common. i prefer bbq sauce though.
D-Chance.
Before AND after, and it must be Heinz.
YellowDog
Substitute aji chileno for the ketchup. Aji chileno is Chilean ketchup, but with smoked aji peppers instead of tomatoes.
Tsulagi
Haven’t had meatloaf in years; now I want it. Think I’ll have to call mom for her recipe. She’s from LA and always used ketchup. Usually served it along with Cajun style spicy red beans and rice. Good stuff.