I honestly thought people stopped getting dengue fever in the 1900’s, but what do you know, Glenn got it.
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I honestly thought people stopped getting dengue fever in the 1900’s, but what do you know, Glenn got it.
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The Moar You Know
Still very prevalent in the “underdeveloped countries” (includes Puerto Rico and Mexico, so we’re not really talking underdeveloped here) and it is not just a “fever”. I hope he’s got a good doctor, because dengue fever comes in two breeds, one is like a less nasty version of ebola (the hemorrhagic form), and it can and will kill you.
cathyx
He spends a lot of time in South America.
Poopyman
How the hell … ?
I don’t remember him being out of the country recently. Was he? You don’t get it at the salad bar at Applebee’s, after all.
Elvis Elvisberg
Holy cow, that sounds awful. Hopefully he feels better soon.
Poopyman
@The Moar You Know: @cathyx: Well, there you go. Thankee.
Poopyman
I was completely wrong in thinking dengue was nearly eradicated. In fact, it’s a growing problem with 50-100 million people infected yearly.
The fact Glenn thought it was flu indicates (to me, at least) that it’s the milder form. Or so I hope.
El Tiburon
He lives in Brazil, no? Does that count as third world?
Brachiator
Damn. Let’s hope for the best.
Violet
You don’t travel much to tropical countries, do you John? Dengue is a problem in a lot of them.
campionrules
Ahh, Brazil.
It’s a mother of virus though.
Arclite
Surfer Andy Irons *may* have died from Dengue fever, and we get the occasional sickness reported here in Hawaii from time to time.
I hope Glenn gets well, and I hope he takes care of himself. Blogging has taken its toll on him, as his appearance has changed dramatically over the past few years.
It’s important to have Glenn around for the long haul. He covers issues few others do, and usually builds his cases well, and is one of the strongest anti-establishment voices out there.
Mark S.
@Poopyman:
He travels to Brazil a lot to be with his spouse. Hope he gets well soon.
I missed this: One of the Powerline tools has quit blogging. His law firm wasn’t too pleased with him insulting Native Americans. It’s too bad he didn’t fight it, because Col. Mustard is ready to take it pro bono.
The Pale Scot
What’s so bad about Dengue Fever?
I think their pretty cool.
Face
I honestly thought people stopped caring what Glenn says/does in the 1900’s, but what do you know…
R-Jud
@The Moar You Know: Ugh. Several years ago, a work colleague of mine died of the severe, hemorrhagic variation after a missionary stint in Costa Rica. It was apparently very gruesome.
Svensker
All best wishes to him. I miss his voice.
Elroy's Lunch
Oh yes, still around. Mrs. E’s Lunch and I do some volunteer work at a medical mission up in the campo in the Dominican Republic. Besides malaria it’s the other disease that we are warned about. Keep those mosquito nets tucked in at night.
Danny
@Poopyman:
Glenn pretty much lives in Brazil since the US won’t let his partner move to America. This is one major side effect of America’s stance against gay marriage, it makes it difficult for two people from different countries who love each other to be together. Fortunately for Glenn and his partner Brazil is more progressive about these matters.
cyd
I’ve had dengue before. It’s an exceptionally unpleasant disease notable for little haemorrhages all over the body, just under the skin. Those itch like hell, but thankfully don’t scar.
madmatt
Very commonin the caribbean including US virgins and PR. On the plus side, once you have it once you are immune.
Arclite
@Danny:
We are losing on a freedom issue to Brazil. Yeesh.
TaMara (BHF)
I hope he gets well soon. BTW, John, saw a tweet – what the heck did Rosie to now that you’re put her up for grabs on twitter?
Mental Lint
Dengue is still a big deal in Rio, and they have an ongoing public health program against it. Hope Glenn bounces back soon.
Pangloss
My dad is from Brazil, and I’ve spent quite a bit of time there. My brother is a Major in the Brazilian Air Force. It’s very surprising how undeveloped the hinterlands are— it’s like going from the 21st Century to the 19th Century sometimes, in as little as 50 miles. I wonder if he went camping or traveling in the countryside….
geg6
@Poopyman:
He lives in Rio.
Edited to add that I see others have gotten here before me.
That said, best wishes to Glenn and I hope he gets well soon. I hear that is a tough disease.
geg6
@TaMara (BHF):
WHAT? AGAIN?
Fickle as hell, that Cole.
lol
@Arclite:
It’s not the blogging that’s sapping his energy, it’s maintaining all those sockpuppets.
cmorenc
And at first I assumed you meant Glenn Beck, who always acts rather feverish.
Silver
@Arclite:
Irons almost certainly did not die of dengue fever.
“Dengue” most likely caused his death like “exhaustion” causes celebrities to end up in the ER.
http://outsideonline.com/adventure/travel-ga-andy-irons-surfing-athletes-sidwcmdev_152739.html
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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I don’t understand why most balloonbaggers are going soft on Glenn Greenwald just because he has a potentially fatal disease.
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Bmaccnm
I caught dengue fever in El Salvador in 2004. Blessedly, it wasn’t the kind that kills you, only the kind that makes you think, “Please, let me die.”
PaminBB
@madmatt:
Just to clarify, you are immune to the particular strain of the Dengue virus with which were infected. There are four strains, and you remain susceptible to the other three. The strains tend to be geographically isolated, but they have each become somewhat more widespread, and of course if you travel you may be exposed to a new strain.
Dream On
To think that at first glance you meant Glen Beck.
electricgrendel
Dengue fever is endemic in Matamoras, Mexico which is right across the border from Brownsville. In fact, dengue fever is moving into high and higher latitudes as climate changes makes the northern climes more hospitable for the mosquitos that carry it. Be prepared to see more of this in America.
chopper
it isn’t just a 2nd or 3rd world disease. it’s making uproads in south florida now.
TaMara (BHF)
@geg6: I figure it kind of went like this: John shampoos rugs yesterday. Rosie makes deposit today. It is always the way with the pets. Clean the carpets and cats feel the need to decorate with hairballs and dogs suddenly get diarrhea.
John Harrold
I had it when I was in the Peace Corps in Samoa.
Southern Beale
Dengue fever? Isn’t that something you catch trekking the Amazon while wearing a pith helmet and waxing on about your adventures in the Boer Wars?
Southern Beale
@Danny:
I never knew Glenn was gay. Or that he lived in Brazil.
Wow.
Not that there’s anything wrong with either of those things, of course.
:-D
Ash Can
That’s a royal bitch. Get well soon indeed.
Lost Left Coaster
I was in the Peace Corps, and I have had multiple friends who caught Dengue. All reported the same thing — it is hell on Earth. And there is nothing you can do about it, really. There is no treatment like there is with malaria. You just have to wait it out.
I’m holding out good thoughts for Glenn that he rests up and heals soon.
dr. luba
@PaminBB: I remember learning about dengue at a travel medicine course I took. Nasty disease, no prophylaxis or treatment available. If you get a secondary infection with a different strain of dengue (there are four), it places you at risk of dengue hemorrhagic fever and dengue shock syndrome
There is currently no vaccine available. There are ongoing programs working on a dengue vaccine to cover all four serotypes, because, IIRC, it was thought that a vaccine which covered fewer might predispose you to DHF or DSS if you caught an uncovered strain. (Not sure if this is purely theoretical, or if non-quadrivalent vaccine trials showed this.)
Also, FWIW, dengue is known as “breakbone fever” because of the horrible musculoskeletal pain associated with it.
Maude
@TaMara (BHF):
Has to be the clean carpet. Or, the once clean carpet.
I couldn’t live with that.
MattR
@Maude: And this is why I don’t bother to steam clean my carpets :)
Richard S
The disease is primarily found betwee 35 degrees south to north which includes the US South of Atlanta. Probably because of urbanization the incidence has increase 30 fold from 1960 to 2010. Thank you WHO. It’s a nasty little virus.
Richard S
And I very much second John’s wish – I miss Gleann – he’s a terrific breath of air on some very troubling issues.
Anne Laurie
Dengue’s also common in some parts of China, where it’s still known as “Break Bone Fever”, because sufferers say it hurts that much. A former co-worker who picked it up there, maybe a decade ago, said that in China patients tended to have malaria flare-ups, and the tourist bureaus warned Americans/Europeans not to “let themselves” be admitted to Chinese hospitals for fear of contracting malaria as well.
Hope Glenn recovers soon, and without lasting aftereffects!
Amir_Khalid
When I was 15 I had a classmate who died of dengue fever, which by the way has been flaring up in Malaysia in the past year or so. Last week there was a story about the Institute of Medical Research here conducting a trial of the use of genetically modified mosquitoes against dengue. The trial has oly just concluded, and there was no word on the results yet.
Bruuuuce
I knew dengue fever was still a current disease because one (I forget which) of the Big Pharmaglomerates runs a radio ad here with a woman who had it, and who was treated with one of their products. After all, all they want to do is relieve the pain. Such humanitarians. [/sarcasm]
JWL
@dr. luba: My father was a navigator on transport planes during WW2, and shuttled between Honolulu and Alameda (gravy duty in that theatre of annihilation). On return trips to San Francisco, his planes would routinely ferry wounded GI’s back home. These included servicemen stricken with horrific tropical diseases, which served to put the fear of God in my dad. He lived to a ripe old age, but to the very end refused to contemplate traveling overseas (excluding Hawaii, which he dearly loved visiting).
Allan
It took Jane Hamsher about one hour before she started using Glenn’s announcement of illness as a club with which to bash anyone writing anything critical of Glenn in the recent past.
Anne Laurie
@Allan:
… and you just gave her “another club”, genuis.
I thought I knew from cherishing a grievance like it was my firstborn child, but I swear, some of you people act like Hamsher called your mother to mock the Garanimals she picked out for you.
satby
At least 3 of our volunteers in Haiti had it while I was there last November. Bad stuff. When I wasn’t doused in Deet I was in my mosquito net.
Tehanu
In L. Sprague De Camp’s near-future science fiction (“near” being in the next 2 or 3 hundred years), Brazil is actually the leading country in the world, politically and technologically, and Brazilian Portuguese is the language of choice for diplomacy, space travel, business, you name it. De Camp thought it was just a matter of time until Brazil started to outpace Europe & N. America in the real world and wrote accordingly.
Tim I
No wonder California is bankrupt, if their Universities are paying assholes like GG to speak.
Are they trying to make their students stupid?
I do hope there will be an investigation, along with multiple prosecutions.
DougW
Get well asap, but take a few days off after you start feeling better. This is not an easy bug to be rid of.
Randy Paul
It’s been a significant problem in Brazil for some years and he does spend a lot of time there.
It’s only primarily an issue in developing countries because so many developing countries are in tropical zones. As it’s a mosquito borne illness it’s bound to be dangerous in warmer climates as the mosquito that carries it resides between 35 degrees north and 35 degrees south. The northern end of its range runs through a substantial portion of the Deep South.
Another mosquito born illness that has plagued the US in recent years is West Nile Virus. People died in New York from that disease.
Tim I: the college cited in that letter that Greenwald’s column linked to is Claremont McKenna College.
Just for the record, most colleges fund speaking engagements via student activity fees charged to students or other fundraising activities. MIT, for example funded its lecture series through money generated from films.
Not that you should let some facts get in the way of the ad hominem.
hilzoy
I found out a lot about Dengue when I was getting ready to go to Pakistan, where it’s very common. There are several variants, and for some reason, which I now cannot recall, the really really bad variant — the potentially lethal one, and the one that gives rise to the name “break-bone fever”, is one that you can only get when you get Dengue fever for the second time. By all accounts, having one’s first case of Dengue fever (which is merely very very unpleasant) standing between oneself and that second case is a really, really good thing.
Also, no vaccine.
burnspbesq
“Are they trying to make their students stupid?”
Universities in California don’t have to make their students stupid. Our K-12 system handles it.
Allan
@Anne Laurie:
I bow before your superior intellect.
Magatha
@Allan: A typo, Allan? Really? You’re gonna get all churlish and snarky about a typo? You’ve got no credibility with me. Anne Laurie has a lot.
Allan
@Magatha: Churlish and snarky is a very good characterization of Anne Laurie’s semi-literate and content-free response to my comment. Forgive me for responding in kind to the Hamsherbot.