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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2012 / Always, Always, Always the Victim

Always, Always, Always the Victim

by John Cole|  August 30, 20122:03 pm| 170 Comments

This post is in: Election 2012, Blatant Liars and the Lies They Tell, DC Press Corpse

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Actually, the only coordination was when the RNC worked with the media to allow Ryan to speak before a nationally televised audience. As predicted, he then spent his time in the limelight lying his ass off, and this is what happened:

An army of fact-checkers swarmed around Paul Ryan’s acceptance speech last night, and the verdict was swift and unanimous: lies, omissions, a sweeping rewrite of recent history. But there’s one question no checker can answer: Why was it necessary to lie in the first place?

Mr. Ryan could have made a sharp critique of the Obama years without changing the underlying facts. That he chose not to do so suggests he isn’t sure the facts are on his side.

***

With a few tweaks and a little more courage, Mr. Ryan could have made a speech that wouldn’t set off truth-meters and might have explained the foundations of the party’s thinking. The only conclusion to draw is that he really doesn’t want the public to know what he’s thinking.

More broadly, this is what is happening:

Look- I’m as shocked as Jay Rosen that even the Washington Post Editorial Board and other media outlets that normally roll over and play dead whenever Republicans blatantly lie are finally coming out and calling a lie a lie.

But if Republicans want to stop being called liars, they should probably stop lying about everything. But they can’t, because every time they are honest about their beliefs, people look at them like they are the three-headed spawn of Satan. Ask Rep. Akin.

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  1. 1.

    Brian R.

    August 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Dude, add the link.

  2. 2.

    beltane

    August 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Ryan’s lies were so numerous and so blatant that he effectively goaded the media into calling him and his party out on it. Soon, it will be the conventional wisdom that the only time a Republican isn’t lying is when he or she is sleeping.

  3. 3.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Ewe Rickson haz a sad that it’s another four years before the Republicans have a legitimate shot at the White House. In the meantime, that means a couple more goatf*ckers will retire from the Supreme Court and more opportunities lost.

  4. 4.

    jgaugust

    August 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    I’m actually surprised Erick had time to tweet about anything given that he has a really busy private sector job of managing the comments of the 30 readers over at Red State.

    But seriously, I’m thrilled people are calling Ryan out on his lying bullshit.

  5. 5.

    Elie

    August 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    I think that their whole party is now undergoing a psychotic break. That’s all.

  6. 6.

    kindness

    August 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    In Republican’s eyes we all ARE the three headed spawn of Satan. Just sayin’.

    Me, I’m loving the Ann ‘Marie Antoinette’ Romney meme I’m seeing around the web. Yes, she was talking to You People.

  7. 7.

    rollotomasi

    August 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Did the Democrats and ‘liberal’ media write the speech for Paul?

  8. 8.

    Tonal Crow

    August 30, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    But if Republicans want to stop being called liars, they should probably stop lying about everything. But they can’t, because every time they are honest about their beliefs, people look at them like they are the three-headed spawn of Satan. Ask Rep. Akin.

    Truer words have seldom been written.

    —
    Tag: Romney’s like Sarah Palin, but more dishonest.

  9. 9.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Well, well, there is s bridge to far for the press.

    I wonder how many centrists pillows will be stained with the bitter tears of anguish tonight. Won’t somebody think of the totbaggers?

  10. 10.

    f space that

    August 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    I never get how these big burly men, with all their swagger and 2nd Amendment gear, are always crying like little 6 year old girls who just skinned their knees.

  11. 11.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Also, too, Charlie Pierce is having a grand day.

    “Mitt’s Magic Underwear and the Granny Ass Dance”

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/mitt-romney-mormon-underwear-12188879

  12. 12.

    danah gaz (fka gaz)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    real men don’t whine about the media being out to get them

  13. 13.

    LanceThruster

    August 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    ME: Paul Ryan is a fvcking liar!

    Goppers: Oh, my stars and garters! You apologize, right NOW!

    ME: I’m sorry Paul Ryan is such a fvcking liar!

  14. 14.

    BGinCHI

    August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    We say lie, they say they’re inventing their own reality. When they get down to 27% of the electorate we’ll know we’ve made some progress in this country.

  15. 15.

    kd bart

    August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    “Why’s everybody always picking on me?”

  16. 16.

    ? Martin

    August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Obama campaign as well:

    “Well, you know, Andrea, there’s no delicate way to put this, but he lied,” Cutter said. “He blatantly lied and brazenly. A number of different things have been fact checked by members of the media, independent fact checkers.”

    DNC should be fun to watch.

  17. 17.

    danah gaz (fka gaz)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    @LanceThruster: =)

  18. 18.

    ding dong

    August 30, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    Republicans are confusing an elephants trunk with a pinnochio nose.

  19. 19.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    But if Republicans want to stop being called liars, they should probably stop lying about everything.

    You’re just showing your biased belief in objective reality. The Republicans understand that there’s no such thing as “Truth”, just different versions of the story. You’re being unfair to the Republicans by claiming that their version of events is any less valid than the one supported by contemporaneous reporting and record keeping.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    @beltane:

    Soon, it will be the conventional wisdom that the only time a Republican isn’t lying is when he or she is sleeping.

    Doesn’t this require them to sleep sitting up?

  21. 21.

    hep kitty

    August 30, 2012 at 2:13 pm

    Yepper, press is fed up. heh

  22. 22.

    Cassidy

    August 30, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    It’s also the media’s fault that the teacher who did the political cartoon assignment is in a hearing to determine if he gets to keep his job. It has nothing to do with allowing pictures of the POTUS being killed/ brutalized or overtly bigoted pics and then displaying them in th ehallway for all to see. Nope. It’s the media’s fault for reporting it. His lawyer actually said that: if it wasn’t for the media, they wouldn’t be there. Fucking toolbag.

  23. 23.

    hep kitty

    August 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Where the hell were all these fact checkers back in 2003?

  24. 24.

    Napoleon

    August 30, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    @beltane:

    Technically they would still be lying, unless they sleep upright.

  25. 25.

    danah gaz (fka gaz)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    @hep kitty: I’m sooo glad about this. I hope it continues. We desperately need our 4th estate to function.

    Maybe it was Romney’s campaign basically telling the press “fvck you, we won’t stop lying, and what are you gonna do about it?” that was the turning point. I’m not sure. I’m just glad to see a shift in the way the media is handling this kind of thing.

  26. 26.

    beltane

    August 30, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Is it me or have the Republicans in the convention largely abandoned the family values/patriotism schtick in favor of one that worships filthy lucre and nothing else? All I see from Romney/Ryan is a campaign that demands homage and obsequiousness from the less well-off in exchange for…well, in exchange for nothing. Without the lies it would be hard for anyone possessing any modicum of self-respect to vote for these people.

  27. 27.

    Goblue72

    August 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    You lie!!!!!

  28. 28.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    “But there’s one question no checker can answer: Why was it necessary to lie in the first place?”

    At first I thought this quote was from Erickson defending Ryan’s need to lie because of Democrats and the media. It seemed plausible, if brazen.

  29. 29.

    beltane

    August 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    @Roger Moore: @Napoleon: How about “The only time a Republican is not uttering untruths is when he or she is sleeping”?

  30. 30.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    I’m not sure why the media itself, much less we the public, are ceding the territory of “truth” to some ersatz “fact checkers” ? WTF is that?
    It seems to me it just makes the perpetual game of “he said, he said” more inevitable. If we could harness that energy we’d never need to import oil again.

  31. 31.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    August 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    @? Martin:

    DNC should be fun to watch.

    __
    You know what would make it even more fun to watch? If the Dems extended a speaking invite at the DNC to Rep Ron Paul (R-TX), to make up for the opportunity he was denied by the RNC in Tampa.

    They could lead with “we aren’t afraid to listen to people with disagree with, so long as they speak with sincerity and conviction”.

  32. 32.

    Corner Stone

    August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: No.

  33. 33.

    rlrr

    August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    @beltane:

    I dunno, who knows what’s in their dreams…

  34. 34.

    Robin G.

    August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Make no mistake: if Romney hadn’t treated the media like peons (the same way he treats everyone else), they’d be happy to defend him. They’re only embracing this fact-checking business because he hurt their fee-fees and didn’t let them play on his (gold-dipped) tire swing.

    Not that I’m complaining, mind. When it comes to politics, two wrongs can very easily make a right.

  35. 35.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Yes, that was the turning point. Frankly, working the ref worked. But also, for years it was “cool” to report he said/she said, and now it’s “cool” call out lying.

    It’s like what Yogi Berra said about fashionable places; Lying got too popular, nobody goes there anymore.

  36. 36.

    Gregory

    August 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Even more dangerous than the so-called “liberal meda” pointing out than Team Mitt is lying all the time is this exploration of *why* they are — that the Republican case is unpopular and weak.

    I wonder if the Romney campaign bragging that they wouldn’t be swayed by fact-checkers was the last straw. I’d like to think that the thorough documentation of Romney’s lies by various bloggers had something to do with it. Else the Republican 2016 ticket will just try not to brag about their campaign of lies.

  37. 37.

    Mnemosyne

    August 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    @f space that:

    I never get how these big burly men, with all their swagger and 2nd Amendment gear, are always crying like little 6 year old girls who just skinned their knees.

    I was at a botanical garden with my best friend and her daughters this weekend, and the 6-year-old was looking the other direction and fell headlong into a scratchy salvia bush.

    Needless to say, she whined and cried about it far less than a grown-ass Republican would have in the same circumstances.

  38. 38.

    NancyDarling

    August 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    @kd bart: Cuz yer a klown.

  39. 39.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    August 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    @LanceThruster:

    Goppers: Oh, my stars and garters! You apologize, right NOW!
    __
    ME: I’m sorry Paul Ryan is such a fvcking liar!

    __
    Goppers: Oh you NEVER!
    __
    ME: OK, I’m sorry Paul Ryan is such a lying fvcker.
    __
    Goppers: NO! NO! NO! NO!
    __
    ME: How about: It’s fvcked up, what a sorry liar Paul Ryan is.

  40. 40.

    Zifnab

    August 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    The Party of Personal Responsibility would like to let it be known that any negative publicity Paul Ryan accrued was the fault of everyone but himself.

  41. 41.

    shortstop

    August 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    You leave us no choice. If you’re going to insist that there are such things as objective facts, we’ll only be forced to redouble our voter suppression efforts. What? Honestly lay out our platform and defend it? Be serious.

  42. 42.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    @beltane:
    I think you should stick with the tried and true “How do you know a Republican is lying? His lips are moving.”

  43. 43.

    ? Martin

    August 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    @danah gaz (fka gaz): My guess is that’s the shift. I think the media will be complicit in anything that benefits the media – so they’ll trade near-term honesty for the promise of long-term access, and so on.

    But when the GOP basically says ‘We don’t care what you say, what you write, we’ll deliver the message we want directly through ad buys’, they’re effectively putting the media out of business. Going along with the lies is no longer in the media’s best interest – calling them out on those lies is.

  44. 44.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    August 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    @hep kitty:

    Where the hell were all these fact checkers back in 2003?

    They don’t mind being stenographers when the king is already on the throne. But the Rmoney campaign won’t even do the requisite ass kissing to get there. With them it’s all forcible rape, all the time.

  45. 45.

    Amir Khalid

    August 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    This old Malay couplet just popped into my head:

    Siakap senohong gelama ikan duri
    Selalu cakap bohong bila besar jadi menteri

    The second line means “Always tell lies, grow up to be a (cabinet) minister”.

  46. 46.

    PeakVT

    August 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    @beltane: Lucre and resentment. Rmoney can’t touch foreign policy, and he has to edge around the culture wars due to both his religion and the gender gap.

  47. 47.

    cathyx

    August 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    I won’t be happy until I see some republican tears over their mistreatment.

  48. 48.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Exactly – lying was the media’s job.

    As George Carlin said, Romney was cuttin’ in on their action!

  49. 49.

    amk

    August 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    erickkk – what a whiny little ratfucker.

  50. 50.

    f space that

    August 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    I think you’ll see the O team start using the actual words, lies and liar from here on out. First, it will piss of R/R, and second the use of the word may make more people confront the elephant in the room, so to speak.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    @beltane: I think them fully capable of lying in their sleep.

  52. 52.

    Thoughtcrime

    August 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    Romney/Ryan 2012
    “We Bull Shit”

  53. 53.

    Bubblegum Tate

    August 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    A wingnut I know was aghast at the charges that Ryan lied a lot in his speech. So she then said this:

    So I pulled up the transcript, read it, read it again, and thought it so powerful I copied it to my document file because I think I may be referring to it in the future.

    Get it? The more the GOP lies, the more the wingnuts love them. It’s a perfect direct variation: More lies equals more wingnut love.

  54. 54.

    Cacti

    August 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    The GOP has four remaining policy goals:

    1. Let the financial services industry loot the Social Security trust fund.

    2. Turn Medicare into a public-subsidized profit opportunity for the insurance industry.

    3. Pass massive permanent tax cuts for the most comfortable members of society.

    4. Start a war with Iran for fun and profit.

    They know time and demographics are not on their side, and they’re desperate. They will lie, cheat, steal, and suppress the vote for one last shot at repealing the 20th century.

  55. 55.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Chris Cillizza had a winners and losers list of the speeches on The Fix and he thought Paul Ryan’s speech was a winner! Not a word about the numerous jawdropping lies. In my book, style and delivery aren’t worth a damn if the whole speech is a dishonest pile of crap.

  56. 56.

    danimal

    August 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    One more day to go, and I’m sticking with my prediction of a negative GOP convention bounce.

    Some attribute it to luck, I think there is some skill involved, but either way, Barack Obama has faced some truly horrible candidates in his political career.

    Maybe Mitt will hit one out of the park tonight, but I’ll be watching preseason NFL and trusting him to self-destruct on live national tv. I think I’m pretty safe on that one.

  57. 57.

    Tokyokie

    August 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I think you should stick with the tried and true “How do you know a Republican is lying? His lips are moving.”

    Although the Republican could just be reading.

  58. 58.

    Cacti

    August 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    Get it? The more the GOP lies, the more the wingnuts love them. It’s a perfect direct variation: More lies equals more wingnut love

    You’d almost think that Goebbels fellow was onto something.

  59. 59.

    The Moar You Know

    August 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    It’s not enough, not nearly enough, but every article on my Google news feed this morning referred explicitly to “Ryan’s lies”.

    That will get the attention of a “low-information voter”.

    Of course, what will happen during the Dem convention is that perfectly true statements by Dems will also be termed “lies”, leaving us with our national epitaph, “both sides do it”.

    Had a local non-insane Republican post on my Facebook feed that we needed to be paying attention to Politifact, lamenting that “both sides do it”. I’m afraid he didn’t like my response to that AT ALL.

  60. 60.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    I for one was coordinating with the U.N., the Red Crescent, the Girl Scouts and Kool and the Gang.

  61. 61.

    jibeaux

    August 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hell, I think them perfectly capable of studying up on and consciously training themselves in the art of lucid dreaming in order to create more time within which to lie.

  62. 62.

    PeakVT

    August 30, 2012 at 2:38 pm

    @bemused: Winner with who? It probably was a winner with the Villagers, who either liked it outright, or tried to channel the mythical swing voter and decided that such a creature would like the Ryan speech.

  63. 63.

    SatanicPanic

    August 30, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    You push anyone long enough they going to start punching back. The media is like Marty McFly at the end of Back to the Future- get your damn hands off of her! Her being, uh, the truth, I guess.

  64. 64.

    wrb

    August 30, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Do you think they are frantically re-writing Mitt’s speech or are they going to double down on the post-truth strategy?

  65. 65.

    Tom Q

    August 30, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    I think things people have cited — dislike for Romney; the gall of the recent “Yeah, we’re lying; try and stop us” brush-off — are a part of why the press has turned. But I think it’s also at least partly that the GOPers have made it too obvious, to the point where the press would be a joke to everyone, not just the cognoscenti, were they to ignore it.

    I’d analogize it to the Barry Bonds/steroid thing. Yeah, the fact the press hated Bonds to begin with played a role in their crucifying him after letting McGwire and Sosa skate by. But those two were players still at least arguably in prime years, advancing from solid to excellent offensive contributors. Bonds, at an age when every player in history had shown decline, was suddenly turning in numbers unseen since Ruth/Williams days — he was suddenly the greatest player who ever lived. Couple this with a cartoonishly ballooned physique, and it became embarrassingly obvious something was afoot; any writers who ignored that would cease to even aspire to the term journalist.

    Still, it’s got to shock the GOP: they’re so used to lying and getting away with it, this response must feel like a coordinated effort. It’s delicious to watch.

  66. 66.

    Tonal Crow

    August 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    @? Martin: Damn am I glad Obama’s campaign is calling a spade a spade! I just kicked in another contribution!

    —
    Tag: Romney’s like Sarah Palin, but less attractive and more dishonest.

  67. 67.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    @Corner Stone: Ideally, the job of the media is to report the truth, especially when it comes to power. And we have them because most people do not have the time to go digging themselves. It’s the same reason we need physicians, or road construction crews, or architects and carpenters.

    In another ideal that shows how screwed up things are, the media should have been fired for not doing there job, but right now we, the people, can’t replace them with something better. Those in power have made sure of it, though Obama interacting with the web is opening some things up.

  68. 68.

    hep kitty

    August 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    @danah gaz (fka gaz): Another thing, from what I hear they are not giving the press the kind of access they want, and usually get, as well.

  69. 69.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    @trollhattan:

    The title is a winner. I’m laughing just reading that.

  70. 70.

    Paula

    August 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    Fvck this whole party. NPR just replayed a clip of some woman talking about Ann Romney and how nice it would be to have someone who “acted like a first lady and looked like a first lady” again. Don’t let the demographic shift hit your ass on the way out, moron.

  71. 71.

    TaMara (BHF)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    I wonder if the Bishops will still let Ryan take communion since he’s a known liar. Last time I looked bearing false witness was equal with thou shalt not kill in the eyes of the Old Testament. And we know the Bishops say they’ll refuse communion to any pol who supports abortion.

  72. 72.

    cat48

    August 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Fournier has been in the Biz for years. I think the Rombot Campaign really fucked up publicly disrespecting him. Mrs. Greenspan has Ron on all the time. Newsome disrespected one of their peers publicly by saying Mitt’s campaign wouldn’t be dictated by fact checkers.

    Glenn Kessler is so wound up that he has an article about five myths (lies) about Obama’s record that Mitt often tells that will probably be in his speech Tonight. Damn! They are pissed!

  73. 73.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    Mitt will be ok but not great tonight. He’s not going to become terrific at this overnight.

    However, it’s looking bad and all the 2016 wannabes know it. There’s nothing Mitt can do to salvage this now.

    It’s like being far behind at the end of a marathon; it’s not that Mitt can’t win, but his only hope is Obama blows it.

  74. 74.

    Tonal Crow

    August 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ:

    You know what would make it even more fun to watch? If the Dems extended a speaking invite at the DNC to Rep Ron Paul (R-TX), to make up for the opportunity he was denied by the RNC in Tampa.
    __
    They could lead with “we aren’t afraid to listen to people with disagree with, so long as they speak with sincerity and conviction”.

    Except that Paul doesn’t speak sincerely when he emotes about liberty. He’s more than happy to insert himself into your uterus and to ban your marriage.

  75. 75.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 2:45 pm

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    I can’t process this. She was aghast but then she loved it? God help us.

  76. 76.

    Zifnab

    August 30, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    The media is like Marty McFly at the end of Back to the Future- get your damn hands off of her! Her being, uh, the truth, I guess.

    Maybe it was their ratings. Media loves itself some scandal and some conflict. “Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire” sells a lot of newspapers.

    Perhaps someone in management decided there was more money in ripping Paul Lyin’ a new asshole than in shoving his nose up it.

  77. 77.

    Calouste

    August 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    @wrb:

    Doubling down. You don’t think Lord Romney is going to take well to the help criticizing his adopted son?

  78. 78.

    Emerald

    August 30, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Don’t celebrate too soon. The same suddenly honest media will find it necessary to trash the Democrats equally.

    Both Sides Do It will not die this easily. OK, the media is doing their job at the moment, but they’re going to feel duty bound to spin the Democrats in the same vein. It won’t matter that the Dems won’t be lying. Every Dem utterance will be spun as something shady.

    Just wait.

  79. 79.

    Belafon (formerly anonevent)

    August 30, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    @Tonal Crow: And I like the difference in tone. Kerry probably would have sat there and tried defending the changes in Medicare spending. Obama goes after Ryan. Much more effective.

  80. 80.

    f space that

    August 30, 2012 at 2:48 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): Good point. Based on how important the Ten are to the fundies, Ryan is in some deep shit with the Big Man.

  81. 81.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:49 pm

    @wrb: They are doubling down, because Mitt is writing this all be himself, because in addition to be the best businessman, manager, organizer, policy expert, driver and potato sack racer, Mitt is the best writer ever.

  82. 82.

    David in NY

    August 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    The Tin Woodman isn’t using a speechwriter? True fact?

    Unpossible, I think.

  83. 83.

    Nemesis

    August 30, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    In the world of poker, tonight romney dowbles down with a five to the dealers ten.

    Ramp up the hate. Amp up the rabble. Bring it. Thats the plan. Also too the plan is to declaim “lie” each time Dems cite gop lies at the DNC. Will media play along?

  84. 84.

    Geoduck

    August 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    @trollhattan:

    In the meantime, that means a couple more goatf*ckers will retire from the Supreme Court and more opportunities lost.

    None of the winger Justices will retire with Obama in the White House; they’ll be leaving the post feet-first. Which could certainly happen.

  85. 85.

    ? Martin

    August 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    @efgoldman: I wonder if the tide is about to turn at Fox. Their demographic is shrinking and with all of the turmoil in the News Corp, they might be looking to rebrand.

  86. 86.

    SatanicPanic

    August 30, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    @Zifnab: That could be part of it too. There is always a market for point and laugh stories, and the Romney campaign is supplying those daily. They’d be fools not to pounce on those.

  87. 87.

    patroclus

    August 30, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    @Emerald: Indeed. I am now fully expecting similar actions by the media during and after the DNC labeling accurate statements by Dem speakers as “lies” because “both sides do it.” In fact, I suspect that if any Dem speaker says anything remotely resembling an inaccuracy, that Speaker will be regarded at least as badly as Lyin Ryan, despite the fact that he’s actually on the ticket.

  88. 88.

    danimal

    August 30, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    The best way for the Dems to fight back is to lay off the “Here are 7 ways the GOP is lying” kind of whining.” Instead, mock the hell out of them. Make them the laughingstocks. God knows the raw material is there. Obama’s team should have a stable of comedians writing material for the DNC.

    I don’t remember too many convention speeches, but I do remember some good one-liners. Example: Ann Richards on George Bush: “Poor George, he can’t help it, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

  89. 89.

    ? Martin

    August 30, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    @David in NY: I think so too. I imagine he’s like Obama – he gives goals, someone writes it, he tweaks and rewrites it.

    Should note: I don’t think Mitt is particularly good at it – his speeches all make me cringe, mainly because they don’t sound authentic, but I suspect Mitt believes he’s good at it.

  90. 90.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    @David in NY: Ok, perhaps not

    “The nominee, who majored in English at Brigham Young
    University, often wrote his own speeches during his 2008 White House bid. Strategist Stuart Stevens persuaded Romney to let others handle that task in this campaign.”

  91. 91.

    Schlemizel

    August 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Sorry if this is a repost but has everyone seen that AZ gov Jan Brewer endorsed President Obama last night?
    http://ktar.com/22/1571638/Arizona-Gov-Jan-Brewer-endorses-President-Obama-at-Republican-National-Convention

    This HAS to be good news for John McCain!

  92. 92.

    Davis X. Machina

    August 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Don’t celebrate too soon. The same suddenly honest media will find it necessary to trash the Democrats equally.
    __
    ‘Both Sides Do It’ will not die this easily

    Damn straight.

    This new-found willingness of (some of) the MSM to call a lie a lie is instrumental, not principled — it simply sets up a better ‘both sides do it’ storyline for later.

  93. 93.

    Matt in HB

    August 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    @Emerald:

    Don’t celebrate too soon. The same suddenly honest media will find it necessary to trash the Democrats equally. Both Sides Do It will not die this easily. OK, the media is doing their job at the moment, but they’re going to feel duty bound to spin the Democrats in the same vein. It won’t matter that the Dems won’t be lying. Every Dem utterance will be spun as something shady.

    Exactly. The Dems better be sure of their facts because they will be under the microscope.

  94. 94.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    @PeakVT:

    Cillizza asked readers if they agreed with “our” take so yes, Villagers. Villagers care more about “great lines”, “well written” and “delivery” than substance which I sure didn’t find in Ryan’s speech. There are over 800 comments but I didn’t wade through.

  95. 95.

    Violet

    August 30, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Republican party in chaos is a much better storyline. I’ve been saying this for how long now? It’s starting to come true. Watch for “GOP in disarray” stories.

  96. 96.

    jwb

    August 30, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    @? Martin: Well, the media lie detectors are going to be set at maximum sensitivity for the DNC convention, because the media really would prefer to get back to their comfort zone of framing it in terms of both sides do it. So the Dems need to be somewhat cautious and not make any unforced errors.

  97. 97.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    August 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    The great thing about twitter (and the LyinRyan trending hashtag) is that the Goopers insist on using it in tweets trying to defend Ryan

    Once again Libs have shown an inability to do research – and what is the issue anyway – doesn’t Obama lie daily? #LyinRyan

    Dana Loesh (or however you spell that haridans name) is particularly good at this kind of foot shooting, and showed it during the #RomneyShambles episode. It is hilarious.

  98. 98.

    mai naem

    August 30, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    @Culture of Truth: Oh, you coordinated with the Red Crescent – you just proved Erik the Son of Erik right. Obama is a Scary Black Musleem Marxist. Admit it. You are part of the Musleem Caliphate Conspiracy.

  99. 99.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    @Cacti:

    1. Let the financial services industry loot the Social Security trust fund.

    I think you’re conflating two goals here. They don’t want to loot the trust fund because it’s basically just a promise to repay a bunch of money from the general budget to Social Security. It’s basically already been looted to pay for tax cuts to the rich, so giving it to Wall Street would require raising taxes to put money into the trust fund for Wall Street to loot. What they actually want to do is to default on the trust fund so they don’t have to pay it back, and then privatize Social Security in the future so Wall Street can make money on it.

  100. 100.

    jrg

    August 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    @danimal: I agree. Just saying that R/R are “lying” is whiny. Better to turn it into a weakness – point out that they are lying, then point out that it’s because they have a record of failure.

  101. 101.

    quannlace

    August 30, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Amazing ain’t it? The party of personal responsibility is pathelogically incapable of taking responsibility for anything. Was thinking the same thing yesterday when I heard that story of someone at the RNC throwing nuts a a black CNN camerawomen, with the words ‘this is how we feed the animals” Almost immediately there were howls from the right that it was all a ‘liberal plant.’

  102. 102.

    Davis X. Machina

    August 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    @quannlace:

    Amazing ain’t it? The party of personal responsibility is pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for anything.

    I don’t know if I’d call it ‘amazing’. The party of fiscal responsibility is incapable of balancing a budget…

  103. 103.

    Tonal Crow

    August 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    @cathyx:

    I won’t be happy until I see some republican tears over their [“]mistreatment[“].

    I won’t be happy until I see Republicans lose huge in November, then lose bigger in every succeeding election until they fully and consistently repent their crazy in deed as well as in word.

    —
    Tag: Romney’s like Sarah Palin, but less attractive and more dishonest.

  104. 104.

    Tonal Crow

    August 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    @Thoughtcrime:

    Romney/Ryan 2012
    __
    “We Bull Shit”

    Lyin’/Bullmitt 2012

  105. 105.

    Brachiator

    August 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    @danimal:

    The best way for the Dems to fight back is to lay off the “Here are 7 ways the GOP is lying” kind of whining.” Instead, mock the hell out of them. Make them the laughingstocks. God knows the raw material is there. Obama’s team should have a stable of comedians writing material for the DNC.

    Yeah, but it is possible to mock them and to focus on their lies, and the reason they are lying.

    Lots of ways to hit this theme. The idea is never let it look as though the Democrats are whiny, or that Obama has lost his cool or is “angry” (this last is BS, but the GOP loves to try to play to Obama’s supposed rage). Let’s see what the Democrats have in store.

  106. 106.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    CNN camerwoman:

    “This is Florida, and I’m from the Deep South,” she said. “You come to places like this, you can count the black people on your hand. They see us doing things they don’t think I should do.” She noted of the Republican convention, “There are not that many black women there.”

    The head of a state delegation, told her the abusers must have been alternates, not delegates.

    She said she didn’t want the incident to be used politically, adding the abuse could have happened on the street or the upcoming Democratic National Convention.

  107. 107.

    WaterGirl

    August 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    if Republicans want to stop being called liars, they should probably stop lying about everything

    Rotating tag line, please. Pretty please, even, if that will help.

  108. 108.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    August 30, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    @patroclus:

    @Emerald: Indeed. I am now fully expecting similar actions by the media during and after the DNC labeling accurate statements by Dem speakers as “lies” because “both sides do it.”

    So how is that any different than what we have now? The point is Mitt’s having his lunch eaten even with “both sides do it” being the status quo.

  109. 109.

    Ruckus

    August 30, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    people look at them like they are the three-headed spawn of Satan.
    That’s because they are.

    For all those people saying the rethugs will pull their ads, how are they going to get their lies out there? They have to buy the ads, it’s all they have.

    They shit their bed, now they have to lie in it.

  110. 110.

    pragmatism

    August 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    @? Martin: @efgoldman: Or Ms. Kohn believes she can do a Juan Williams in reverse and get some of those sweet Soros dollars.

  111. 111.

    rlrr

    August 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Also the party of “strong defense” failed to defend the country…

  112. 112.

    Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God

    August 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    X drops a turd in the communal punchbowl, shared by A-Z.

    Everyone but X notices, and calls X out.

    X cries: “Stop ganging up on me!”

    …sound about right?

  113. 113.

    J.D. Rhoades

    August 30, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    @danimal:

    Obama’s team should have a stable of comedians writing material for the DNC.

    What he really needs is some of those people on Jon Stewart’s staff who can, apparently within minutes, pull up a video of any politician you care to name saying something that completely contradicts what they just said.

  114. 114.

    Richard

    August 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Bush turned the press into his lapdogs by rewarding the loyal with access and career boosting scoops. It made them all too happy to shovel his bullshit onto the public.

    In contrast, Romney has been treating the press like they were illegal immigrants doing the yard work on his mansion. He expects his lies to be perpetuated essentially for free, while he treats them with contempt.

    Big mistake.

  115. 115.

    Brachiator

    August 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Always, Always, Always the Victim

    From Addams Family Values, appropos of the GOP:

    Amanda: Is that your bathing suit?
    Wednesday: Is that your overbite?
    Gary: Now, one of you will be the drowning victim and the other one gets to be our lifesaver.
    Amanda: I’ll be the victim!
    Wednesday: All your life.

  116. 116.

    GxB

    August 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    @Culture of Truth: Unfortunate as Mitt could club a basketful of puppies and slather the resulting paste on his naked bum while on national tv and he is still “in the race.” Provided Obama does something as heathen as say use the salad fork for the main course.

  117. 117.

    Bubblegum Tate

    August 30, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    @bemused:

    She was aghast but then she loved it? God help us.

    Yup, pretty much. I thought it was the perfect encapsulation of the GOP’s relationship with the wingnuts: “We’ll figure out what it is you want to hear, then we’ll tell you those things, and you will not care if they are the slightest bit true because you will be swooning.”

  118. 118.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    OT: This is what Queen Ann said in her Latino Outreach meeting.
    From TPM

    According to NBC, Romney also ran afoul of her audience when she said of the Puerto Rican delegation, “You people know how to party.”

    Wow Queen Ann is truly crass, and quite a bit bigoted isn’t she?

  119. 119.

    Goblue72

    August 30, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    @ThatLeftTurnInABQ: It likely would sure get a lot of media attention. And I for one would buy the popcorn to watch it. Better than one more tired stump speech from a Democratic party backbencher.

  120. 120.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    August 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    I wonder if Mitt is rewriting his speech to take out the welfare/work lie or if they are just gonna go all in and hope that the press is all fact checked out after today?

  121. 121.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 30, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    @Cacti: You forgot, 1. Restrict voting to white males only.

  122. 122.

    Robin G.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: The Romneys have reached self-parody stage. I can’t.

  123. 123.

    Shawn in ShowMe

    August 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I wonder if Mitt is rewriting his speech to take out the welfare/work lie or if they are just gonna go all in and hope that the press is all fact checked out after today?

    Did he cancel his convention party aboard his pal’s yacht, the Cracker Bay? Did he take down the Cayman Islands flag? I mean, what’s the big deal?

  124. 124.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Certainly not while Roger Ailes is in charge. This is the guy who was Nixon’s chief ratfucker, after all.
    Plus, I just don’t see Murdoch changing his views, at his age, even for money.

    And I think you’re wrong about that. I don’t think Murdoch has a scrap of loyalty to anything more than his own wallet. He supports the Republicans because he sees them as benefiting him and his businesses more than the alternative, but that’s always subject to change. He will happily drop the Republicans, and Ailes with them if he refuses to go with Murdoch’s decision, if he ever decides they are a long-term drag on the bottom line. Fox will be the first rat off the SS Republican Party the moment it’s clearly sinking.

  125. 125.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    With a few tweaks and a little more courage

    Might as well wish for the corpse of the shitty grade Z movie star to rise from the dead and push the two lying sacks of cowardly shit out of the way to accept the nomination.

    Just as likely to happen as for a sniveling coward like Ryan to display the slightest iota of courage.

    Ryan is beneath contempt.

  126. 126.

    Mike E

    August 30, 2012 at 3:33 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    It’s like being far behind at the end of a marathon; it’s not that Mitt can’t win, but his only hope is Obama blows a hamstring

    Or, blows an engine on his last lap at Talladega. YMMV

  127. 127.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    @Geoduck:
    To be fair, in Ewe Rickson’s world only the liberal justices are goatf*ckers.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2010/03/16/meet-erick-erickson-cnns-newest-political-comme/161698

    My guess is we’ll see two liberal and zero conservative justices retire in the next four years, unless Willard somehow wins.

  128. 128.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    A little spin from a liberal or a lie from a republican attributed to a liberal is inexcusable and can never be forgiven or forgotten. Republicans lying always get a free pass. My head hurts.

    Doesn’t the wingnut acquaintance feel even a little bit embarrassed to save Ryan’s lies to “refer to in the future”?

  129. 129.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    To be fair, when she actually said was “People know how to party!”

    You see, back at the lab, when she and Mitt were being constructed, by other sentient robots, a “party” consisted of crepe paper and an evening of math puzzles and non-alcoholic beer.

  130. 130.

    Robin G.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    @Culture of Truth:

    “The nominee, who majored in English at Brigham Young University

    So did Stephenie Meyer, author of the Twilight Saga.

    Just throwin’ that out there.

  131. 131.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    @Culture of Truth:
    “Sudoku Orgy!!”

  132. 132.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    August 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    @Shawn in ShowMe:

    Ha Ha just saw someone coin #MakeItUpMitt in preparation for his speech tonight. :)

  133. 133.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    When they we built that, are they referring to Romney?

  134. 134.

    FormerSwingVoter

    August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    I watched the season finale of Newsroom and was pretty inspired – until I realized that no news organization in the country would ever note that the things Republicans say are not true.

    Reading everything today… Maybe I’m naive, but I can’t help but wonder if there’s some hope for us yet.

  135. 135.

    Culture of Truth

    August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm

    “We Built This Pity”

  136. 136.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Yet I could see that going down really well if Flotus had said the same thing because she would have been smart enough to say “Wow, you guys really know how to party”. Anne just doesn’t have the “social graces” so to speak to know how to address those “little people” and always comes off crass.

  137. 137.

    Calouste

    August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Murdoch switched to Labour in 1997 when he realized the Tories were pathetic and would continue to be so for a long time. Of course Blair was hardly a raging lefty.

  138. 138.

    Brachiator

    August 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt:

    I wonder if Mitt is rewriting his speech to take out the welfare/work lie or if they are just gonna go all in and hope that the press is all fact checked out after today?

    Romney will probably go all in. As with his refusal to reveal his income taxes, he has a tendency to be stubborn about small things that make him look like a doofus.

    And I get the impression that his advisers have told him that his best bet to win the election to do everything he can to appeal to white resentment.

    The odd thing is that Romney’s exploitation of race is so bland and casual, lacking the cynical fire of Newt or the sheer ignorance of a Santorum.

  139. 139.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    Somebody please tell me Clint hasn’t sunk this low.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/08/30/close-friend-of-romney-clint-eastwood-is-thursdays-mystery-speaker

  140. 140.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    @trollhattan: Well even if he has I don’t see how this a good move by the Romney campaign, having the charismatic (whatever one may think of his politics) speak before the charisma free Mittbott, is not that smart an idea.

  141. 141.

    Hill Dweller

    August 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    @trollhattan: I saw a Clint quote saying Willard would restore a more fair tax system. Really? The guy that has hid his and other companies’ money to avoid taxes is going to implement a more fair tax system.

  142. 142.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I dunno’. He supports the rightists in every country where he operates.

    He supports the credible right win in every country he operates. I don’t think he’ll keep supporting the Republicans for a moment if they lose their credibility.

  143. 143.

    Brachiator

    August 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    I saw a Clint quote saying Willard would restore a more fair tax system. Really? The guy that has hid his and other companies’ money to avoid taxes is going to implement a more fair tax system.

    Well, it will be fair to rich people.

  144. 144.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: The change from “people” to “guys” makes such a difference, doesn’t it? It takes so little effort to be politely gracious, and yet the Romneys seem incapable of doing it.

  145. 145.

    Calouste

    August 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    It is a good idea. It will totally distract from Mitt’s speech. The more people hear Mitt, the less they like him, so burying Mitt’s speech is a good thing.

    Of course that is the way things are planned by the campaign staff, not by Mitt. Watch Mitt getting flustered and irritated when he realizes that his speech is getting less applause than Clint’s.

  146. 146.

    Comrade Colette Collaboratrice

    August 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm

    @LanceThruster: “I do not know what effect my accusers have had upon you, gentlemen, but for my own part I was almost carried away by them – their arguments were so convincing. On the other hand, scarcely a word of what they said was true. I was especially astonished at one of their many misrepresentations; I mean when they told you that you must be careful not to let me deceive you – the implication being that I am a skillful speaker. . . . In fact I have not the slightest skill as a speaker.”

    (Edited only slightly, but not in a way that would change the meaning. Oh no indeedy, we wouldn’t do that. He actually said every one of these words!)

  147. 147.

    Bubblegum Tate

    August 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    @bemused:

    Doesn’t the wingnut acquaintance feel even a little bit embarrassed to save Ryan’s lies to “refer to in the future”?

    Oh, no, not at all. She’ll just trot out one of her favorite excuse formulations: “Gee, all this liberal squealing must mean Ryan really struck a nerve.” Because lies are what other people tell, you see. If she likes something, then that can only mean that it’s true.

  148. 148.

    eric

    August 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    @Calouste: Mitt stepping on his own dick thinking he is putting out a cigarette. moronic campaign, so the buzz will be about Clint and not Mitt. excellent idea

  149. 149.

    Mike E

    August 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    @trollhattan: I hope his SAG card doesn’t fall out of his pocket when he strolls on stage.

  150. 150.

    beltane

    August 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm

    From a ratings perspective alone, the Republican convention has been a dud http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/30/1125970/-BREAKING-TV-Ratings-for-Wed-RNC-down-17-million-from-2008

    Sarah Palin may be a mean, lying nitwit but it is undeniable that she possessed a certain glamour that Paul Ryan lacks. Palin was the Republican base, only better looking. Paul Ryan is merely the smarmy looking rent-boy of the 1%; no one wants to watch him perform.

  151. 151.

    Gravenstone

    August 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    @efgoldman: I’ve already been reliably informed by one of the resident wingnuts at another site I frequent that its irrelevant since 1) its an opinion piece and 2) the author is a lesbian activist GASP

    Nothing to see here. Move along, move along you hippy slacker.

  152. 152.

    Roger Moore

    August 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    @Hill Dweller:

    I saw a Clint quote saying Willard would restore a more fair tax system. Really?

    He’s talking about the Republican definition of “fair”, meaning “beneficial for me personally”. Haven’t you checked your Republican codebook recently?

  153. 153.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    They have no way to be gracious. They have no way to be kind.

    They are utterly vile in every way. All the gaucheness of the nouveau-riche, all the arrogance and entitlement of old money, not one molecule of noblesse oblige.

    No one will mourn them when they take their well deserved tumbrel rides.

  154. 154.

    trollhattan

    August 30, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    I’m left hoping he’ll state that Willard could totally kick Lee Van Cleef’s ass in a manfight.

    Then, maybe a piano duet with Condi to close.

  155. 155.

    karen marie

    August 30, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    @Emerald: Oh, you know it, sister.

  156. 156.

    Cris (without an H)

    August 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Mr. Ryan could have made a sharp critique of the Obama years without changing the underlying facts. That he chose not to do so suggests he isn’t sure the facts are on his side.

    Shit, even the liberal™ Ezra Klein did that.

    For instance: Obama really has expanded the size and generosity of the food stamps program. He really has been picking winners and losers in the energy sector. He really does intend to raise taxes on the rich. He really does foresee the federal government spending more a decade from now than it was spending five years ago. He really did push an unelected board of health-care bureaucrats to make decisions about Medicare reimbursement rates. He really did want to raise the price of dirty energy. He really hasn’t released a plan that would ever balance the budget. He really did break his pledge not to raise taxes on people making less than $250,000 when he signed the Affordable Care Act.

    Jesus, RNC guys, some nerd who blogged at Pandagon is outdoing your “disappointed wonk” schtick. And he doesn’t even support your stupid candidate.

  157. 157.

    Mnemosyne

    August 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @Mike E:

    Not to mention his DGA card. Unions iz so ebil that Clint belongs to two of them.

  158. 158.

    bemused

    August 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    Funny thing how blatant lying will upset people but upsetting people being lied about somehow legitimizes the liars.

    Republicans are weird and deluded creatures.

  159. 159.

    Ben Cisco

    August 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Lying and projection.

    And butthurt.

    They haz it in droves.

    Also, denial.

  160. 160.

    Cris (without an H)

    August 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Boy, Erick of Erick’s twitter mess is all full of “Fact checkers are so biased because they call out more Republicans than Democrats!” Gee, I wonder why that is?

  161. 161.

    asiangrrlMN

    August 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    @efgoldman: It’s written by Sally Kohn, their token Democrat.

  162. 162.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    @Cris (without an H):

    This is the problem of “fair and balanced” as an editorial stance.

    The problem is, life is not fair. Particularly to those who live by the lie on a 24/7 basis.

  163. 163.

    MCA1

    August 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    @Paula: Oh, Christ. Was that the same woman who declared she “can’t even look at” the President, she hates him so much? I almost put my fist through the windshield to hear this horrible person. No followup, of course, from whomever was interviewing her, to simply as “What is it that a First Lady looks like to you?”

  164. 164.

    Tone In DC

    August 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    @Ben Cisco:

    Butthurt to the Nth power.

  165. 165.

    The Lodger

    August 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm

    @bemused: “The Fix”?

    As in “The Fix Is In”?

  166. 166.

    JustAnotherBob

    August 30, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    @MCA1:

    “I don’t like him. Can’t stand to look at him. I don’t like his wife; she’s far from the first lady. It’s time we get a First Lady in there that acts like a First Lady and looks like a First Lady.”
    —
    Bobbi Luciere, as quoted on NPR Morning Edition.

  167. 167.

    MCA1

    August 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    @JustAnotherBob: I think they misspelled her name – there just has to be an “f” after the “i.”

    ABL, where are you? If we’re concerned about African Americans getting out the vote at sufficient level to ensure re-election, might I suggest this NPR piece be forwarded around as necessary? It should sufficiently piss off any black person considering not voting due to whatever local roadblocks the GOP’s thrown up to make it incredibly inconvenient for them. http://www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160293862/romney-courts-veterans-at-american-legion-convention

    Bobbi Lucier’s demographic can’t die off soon enough.

  168. 168.

    Hart Williams

    August 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm

    Yes, Vagina, there is no Sanity Clause.

    (And no, they have yes bananas.)

    http://wp.me/p5dEo-4Ej

  169. 169.

    Redleg

    August 30, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    Crybaby bastards. They can dish out the most dishonest, scurrilous, and disgraceful comments but a little bit of the phuking truth hurts like hell. Bloody pansies, all of them.

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