@gbear: I am still saddened by all the music Pete Ham never composed, those guys were good, their musicianship and lyrical quality rarely equalled.
7.
lamh35
So I usually leave politics at the door with my more conservative co-workers, but one of them I consider a friend if not a good one and for that reason, I try to never talk politics with her. but she posted the following to FB this weekend and I was just made aware of it:
If people think health care is bad now. I wonder what will happen if there is no change in 46 days. Doctors are already giving up. Seems like there are fewer and fewer that care about the patient. I bet the few left that do care will leave the profession ….it is just sad ;-(
Like I said, I tend to dust if off my shoulder, but when this was brought to my attention, I admit, it pissed me off to no end and I had to respond, so this is what I wrote on my FB page, and made sure it can be seen by all my friends (I usually filter who sees my more political stuff and this person is one who I filter so that she doesn’t see my political post):
Ya know what, if you are one of those people who are lucky enough to be employed with an employer who provides healthcare coverage at an affordable cost you can afford, then kudos to you. If your doctor is more worried about lawsuits and insurance coverage than the care and health of their patients, then guess what GET A NEW DOCTOR, you have that option. But there are millions of people who cannot afford health insurance who work just as hard as you or I do, but for less pay and for employers who don’t provide any healthcare insurance. So for those people Obamacare is/will be a saviour. In 42 days, if things “change” as some want, then Obamacare will probably be a thing of the past and those millions will be shit out of luck. But that okay, because your doctor’s a dick who is in it to make money rather than as a calling to help people. Any doctor who thinks their bottom line is better than millions of people who didn’t have coverage to preventative health care now being able to have that coverage, ain’t worth the diploma their degree is written on and it has NOTHING to do with Obamacare!
There are a lot of elitist Republicans who have spent several years telling us Mitt Romney was the only electable Republican. Because the opinion makers and news media these elitists hang out with have concluded Romney will not win, the elitists are in full on panic mode. They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument. He is now not winning against the second coming of Jimmy Carter. They know there will be many conservatives, should Mitt Romney lose, who will not be satisfied until every bridge is burned with these jerks, hopefully with the elitist jerks tied to the bridge as it burns.
[…]
Mitt Romney can win. He needs to hone his message. He needs to focus on the failings of this administration. But there is time and he can win. Should he, we will all sit back and marvel as this staggering horde of snobbery falls all over itself to remind Romney that these elite were with him all along — unlike those hicks and rubes within the conservative movement.
No matter what you do. Still sounds good.
Did the top of the page change underneath the banner or am I seeing things again?
10.
gbear
@DougJ: Really. I’ve loved the band all along, have a full set of albums autographed by all the members other than Pete Ham, and I was just heartbroken to watch their history when I found it on YouTube. I think Joey Molland lives in the Twin Cities now.
11.
lamh35
My 2nd post on facebook was the following:
Here’s the thing guys, anyone who knows me will tell you that my dream since I was a little girl was to become a doctor. Through some fault of my own and the fault of outside sources, that dream never came to be and if I’m honest, never will be. But not a day goes by that I don’t think about what I would be like now if I was a doctor. My dream would involved going back home and opening a practice in my old lower 9th ward neighborhood and opening a if not free clinic and affordable clinic for the people in my old neighborhood. Add to that, if ya didn’t know, I was born poor, raised poor and until I began work at a Med Tech, I lived poor. So the idea of going without healthcare insurance is not a theory for me, I lived it. So even though I have good job today, and I have access to health insurance, I can see how important Obamacare would be to me and mine who were and still are living and working hard, but who do not have access to healthcare.
So when people just take partisan issue with Obamacare just because Obama’s name is on it even though it would benefit less fortunate, but still worthy of a healthy and long life, I take issue with it and I just remind those people of that saying “there by the grace of God go I”… In todays job climate, people can lose their jobs at any time, so that health care coverage that I and some other people enjoy can be gone the next day, and then what, YOU will be the one of those people without health care and I betcha would love Obamacare then. Like I said, “there by the grace of God go I”.
It turns out Romney was correct after all. We do have a class of lazy, entitled moochers who don’t pay their fair share of taxes, who feel they are victims, expect the govt to provide for them and who refuse to take responsibility for the messes they create and whine like little babies when they don’t get their way. We even have a special term for these parasites. We call them NFL owners.
14.
gbear
@piratedan: There are a couple of CDs of Peter Ham demos that were released by his estate. I’m not sure how hard they are to find now, but if you’re looking for more music by Ham, you’ll love them.
Warning: You will cry. But you’ll be a better person for it
17.
suzanne
@lamh35: That was awesome. I am of the opinion that the “politeness” custom of not talking about this stuff is part of why we don’t win more often. Liberals/progressives/whatever-you-wanna-call-its need to be vociferous about what we believe and why.
George Atallah (NFLPA rep) is over at Deadspin doing a live chat. The players are pissed.
The owners may be Galtian geniuses, but they’re no longer in control of messaging to the point where they get a clear field run on the “guys making a zillion dollars playing a game” claim.
All too many fans realize and can tweet/facebook/message about the fact that nobody pays ticket money or buys swag in order to see owners own or front room managers shuffle paper.
My cats have no interest in fasting on Yom Kippur. They are obviously not sorry for their misdeeds.
20.
Suffern ACE
@dmsilev: I’m not old enough to remember, but were Democrats this bad during Nixon’s recession(you know, the one where we went off the gold standard). Did we pretend that it was 1933 all over again and we were in the Great Depression and that our candidates were FDR II and those that weren’t were shunned? It’s like always 1980 for them. 1980 sucked, and they always want it to be 1980 and they just always run against variations of Carter. Even their Jimmy Carter is imaginary.
@Todd: Until the fans somehow magically manage a country wide boycott of football, the owners aren’t going to get the message.
22.
Culture of Truth
SHUT IT DOWN
Obama: NFL Needs Regular Refs
Aboard Air Force One (AP) – The White House says President Barack Obama believes that a disputed end to the Green Bay Packers-Seattle Seahawks football game means it is time to resolve a labor dispute and get regular referees back to officiating NFL games.
Obama spokesman Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One that the president, an avid sports fan, watched the game and “thinks there was a real problem with that call.” Carney called the play “very distressing for every American football fan.”
@anibundel: Your internet will be arriving shortly.
25.
raven
@Suffern ACE: Fuck no, we were too busy worrying about getting a bad case of lead poisoning from the Ohio National Guard, Charlie and a host of other protagonists!
Go for her wingnut primal instinct (money). Point out to her that her taxes will probably go down due to the county not having to run its own charity hospitals.
Once “Obamacare” goes into effect full swing anybody can see any doctor he or she wants and still be covered. They won’t be forced to go to the local tax supported (charity) health care facility.
There ‘may’ be a small surge at first, due to people who haven’t seen a doctor in decades finally getting some care, but after a few months that swell will even out.
Also, just saw a clip of Hillary on Hardball and damn her hair looks good.
(Sorry, I grew up in the 90s, through the Hillary Headband phase and the cruel remarks about how she styled herself. Seeing how damn good she looks now feels like the long slow vindication of history. Or something.
Whatever, maybe I’m just a shallow person who likes to write about fashion.
Oh, yeah, I am.)
There are a lot of elitist Republicans who have spent several years telling us Mitt Romney was the only electable Republican. Because the opinion makers and news media these elitists hang out with have concluded Romney will not win, the elitists are in full on panic mode. They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument.
They’re ALREADY in full “blame the elites for our failure” mode. Man, they must really be feeling just sick about their chances.
Obama spokesman Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One that the president, an avid sports fan, watched the game and “thinks there was a real problem with that call.” Carney called the play “very distressing for every American football fan.”
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Next up:
(1) Every wingnut in America turns into a Seattle Seahawks fan.
(2) Mitt Romney announces that the President is apologising for strikers and that he (Mitt) would have called it a touchdown just like the replacement refs. Followed by a campaign appearance in Wisconsin in which Mitt Romney announces that he would have overturned his own call on replay.
31.
ericblair
But, see, if Obamacare becomes a reality, I’ll have to wait a few extra days to get my allergist appointment. Instead of waiting an extra five hours in excruciating pain to get my broken leg set in the emergency room. Oh, wait.
@Culture of Truth: How much do Obama’s chances increase of a 50 state landslide if he personally gets involved after this weekend and forces the lockout to end?
33.
piratedan
@gbear: thnx gbear! I’ll enact my google-fu and get on it. So take my spoon, Blodwyn, make it soon, Blodwyn…. the valley knows, how I feel today…..
34.
Matthew Reid Krell
@anibundel: A second Internet is on back order for you. It should arrive tomorrow.
Let us know if these are the same sort who simultaneously will toss off with ease the ubersolution that “If I’m not happy with XYZ Health Insurance I can always get a new health insurer.”
Personally, another round of “October roulette” is coming up at my workplace. I hope the HR people were able to keep the damage to a minimum.
36.
geg6
Oh, thanks for that title, Doug. It’s one of my favorite songs of all time. A great band with what may be the greatest band name of all time, ever.
My parents lost their small business when my dad had to have heart surgery back in 1993. Insurance company said it was preexisting, did not cover it. Parents went bankrupt under the medical bills and had to close their business. They lost all of their savings.
It’s amazing how those of us who have watched people lose everything, or who have lived through it themselves, have a totally different view of Obamacare.
38.
dmsilev
@Chris: Erickson is also setting up a good old fashioned dolchstosslegende. Romney *would* have won if it weren’t for the betrayal by the degenerates who were nominally on his side.
Mitt Romney can win. He needs to hone his message. He needs to focus on the failings of this administration.
Given the vagaries of the world or the possibility that Obama may shoot his dog Bo on the White House lawn, Obama could lose. But Mitt can’t win regardless of any message honing he partakes in.
44.
Culture of Truth
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: (3) A Romney spokesman later clarifies that the statements were “awkwardly put” but that Romney stands by his earlier statement, but that the NFL needs better officiating, which would be encourage through lower taxes
(4) a video is released the next day showing Mitt Romeny telling staffers “football, it’s such a dumb sport. I mean, they don’t use their feet much. I don’t get it, honestly.”
They should ask Romney to comment, just to watch him stumble over things happening in “the sports”.
47.
piratedan
also too…. multiple diaries over at GOS indicating more polling goodness also a diarist referencing a PPP poll showing Duckworth up over Walsh by 14 points. Obama ahead now in NC and Florida per various pollsters. Naturally, the skew or unskew factors may be open for debate.
They should ask Romney to comment, just to watch him stumble over things happening in “the sports”.
“Union conflict has now entered the world of sport.”
51.
gelfling545
@Felinious Wench: Good gods! Does this mean my cat is a …. conservative?
52.
The Dangerman
I’m not sure I’m going crazy or if there’s a disproportionate amount of weird shit going on these days. Just for reasonably current examples, the Detroit Lions fucked up a play where all you have to do is fucking do nothing (not to mention last nights well discussed bullshit) and, for reasons unknown to me, people give a shit about the Kardashians (FWIW, I’ve met Bruce Jenner; he’s kind of a shit).
I just hope it’s not in the air or the water because, call me crazy, but I’m really nervous about Romney’s chances (which shouldn’t be higher than zero, but it is what it is). I don’t want to see the Mayans proved right.
53.
Culture of Truth
Cable news in banned in the White House and Air Force One. ESPN only. Bam knows what’s up.
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So who will be the first wingnut pundit to compare this tyrannical meddling in sports with the scandal that broke out when Hitler refused to shake hands with Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics?
56.
Jibeaux
@Calouste: He calls it “sport.” Like the British do. It’s fucking weird.
They conspired to shut out others, tear down others, and prop up Romney with the electability argument. He is now not winning against the second coming of Jimmy Carter.
Sure, Erick: that’s the ticket: it’s all the “elitists” fault.
I really wonder who he thought would be as (still less more) “electable” than Mitt Romney: Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? Donald Trump?
Again, right-wing nutjob politics conservatism can’t fail: it can only BE failed. The fail, he is delicious…..
You have failed to grasp the essential nature of cats. For example:
1. Cats never do misdeeds. Whatever they do is right and proper.
2. Every day is “Yum, Kippers!” And if not, it’s your misdeed by not feeding them correctly.
61.
trollhattan
Beating the high cost of rent.
S.C. woman’s ex-boyfriend found living in her attic
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HILL, S.C. — Tracy, a single mother of five children in Rock Hill, never considered reuniting with the 44-year-old man she broke up with more than 12 years ago, despite claims of a new lifestyle and other “jailhouse talk” he penned in letters to her from prison.
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Drugs, followed by his decision to rob a flower shop, tore their one-year romance apart, she said.
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“That was it,” said Tracy, who asked that her last name not be used. “I never looked back.”
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But it wasn’t “it” for her ex-boyfriend, whom she discovered living in her attic Sunday morning, a year after he helped install new doors on her home after most of it burned in a fire.
Once worked in a building where it was discovered that doodz had been living in the crawlspace above our offices, evidentally for quite awhile because they had beds, clothing and food up there. They were only discovered because they broke into the offices one weekend (boredom?) and made a general mess, leading to the discovery.
It cleared up a lot of little mysteries that had been occurring for months.
@Felinious Wench: Are cats inherently conservative?
–They like to hunt
–They dislike change and sniff it suspiciously
–Self reliance
–Only allow bellyrubs from those they trust
@dmsilev: fucking hilarious. Which of the Seven Dwarves that Snow Willard was on stage with does Dopey think would be beating Obama? Ron Paul? Bachmann? Santorum? I think Daniels, Thune or Pawlenty– he really fucking blew it, IMHO– might’ve given Obama a run for his money, but Willard was the best of the lot once Pawlenty dropped out.
So Akin did not drop out? Anybody see anytihng about his press conference? What was the point?
I feelz ya. I have 0 desire to FB with anyone I have to deal with professionally — but WTF are you supposed to do when someone sends you a friend request?
Recently, the person in question posted a nauseating “both sides do it” rant, which I suspected was at least partially prompted by one of my many no-holds-barred anti-republican posts. It was infuriating because
I was just itching to respond — and it totally goes against the grain for me NOT to respond when provoked — but I just don’t need that kind of shit with a co-worker.
Well, it’s well known that Mittens loves athletic contests. After all, he ran a successful Olympics, which must have had football because isn’t football a winter sport?
71.
Kathy in St. Louis
@Chris: Erik reminds me of the kids on the bench in the last inning with 2 outs and no one on. They keep yelling at their last hitter to get a hit. That was my son, the 4th grade realist, who turned around to them and yelled back, “Be quiet, we’re gonna lose anyway.”
@lamh35: The only thing I might add is demanding a source for the “Doctors are already giving up.” (Because it’s almost certainly the BS study conducted by a right-wing group pretending to be a doctors’ organization like the AMA.)
If I remember correctly, Redstate was all hot and bothered for Perry, even after it was discovered that he couldn’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a map. Liberal conspiracy, or something.
And many posters held out hope for months that Sarah would come sweeping down on her moose and save them.
You know it’s bad when even the most craptastic elements of the British press start mocking the NFL faux-refs
Revealed: Replacement referees aren’t even good enough for the Lingerie League… as NFL upholds botched call that ‘robbed Green Bay Packers of victory’
Also, too, why is Bristol Palin still on TV, on Dancing with the Stars All Stars?
Are we doomed to have this family of grifters in our faces forever?
76.
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, Erick spent most of the primary season supporting Perry, until it became blindingly obvious to all and sundry that calling Perry as dumb as a post would be a gross slander to posts. I’m sure that whoever he had as his ideal candidate was, for some unfathomable reason, not actually running this year.
@Brachiator: It’s their last minute. All the other shows have been canceled.
78.
elmo
I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but the thread got bigfooted shortly thereafter and I wanted to see it get more play:
I want to see an ad that uses our own dogwhistles for once. I want to see an ad (or maybe direct mailer) that hammers (R)-Money with the “no abortions even for rape” with its natural consequences.
Playing over snapshots from the Warren Jeffs trial, the following narration: “Mitt Romney wants child brides and teenage rape victims to be forced to bear children. Those might be Mitt Romney’s values, but those aren’t American values. Don’t let Mitt Romney force his values on America.”
OFA can’t do it, obvs, but MoveOn could.
79.
raven
@eemom: I posted the other day that I had an old high school buddy on FB. I was very close with him and his family but when I came home and began to work against the war they turned on me. His mother actually told me, in the same conversation, that I had no right to protest the war and that HER kids were not going. I reconnected with him about 10 years ago and he went out of his way to apologize for how I was treated. He lost his job during the Bush years and has been struggling with depression. I posted that “Conservative History of America” and get a comment from him reading “where will we go when Obama destroys this country”. My first reaction was to blast him but decided the best thing to do was just dump him from the FB.
I feelz ya. I have 0 desire to FB with anyone I have to deal with professionally—but WTF are you supposed to do when someone sends you a friend request?
I usually just ignore it, and if they press the point, I say “Oh, sorry; I have a Facebook account but I don’t really use it.”
That was how I dealt with an unpleasant local Democratic activist who demanded “Why didn’t you accept my friend request? We’re friends, aren’t we?”
82.
trollhattan
@anibundel:
[clears RomneyTron12 simulated throat] “We have become aware of inconsistencies in the meting of rule enforcement in the National Handegg Competition arena places. Whilst clearing a path for a permanent, Hayakian, FreeMarket(pbut) resolution to aforementioned impediments to fair sport, we in the interim entreaty the on-turf rules-judging professionals to return to the games-playing place. What say you, chums?”
[Enthusiastically] “Go, BYU.”
83.
Anne Laurie
@lamh35: That’s not over the top, that’s honest. Good for you!
@DougJ: He can find out if he looks at his friend list, but I don’t think he gets notified.
The way I’ve dealt with some people who I don’t want to hear from, but it would potentially cause social friction to unfriend them, is to create a list with everyone I actually want to follow, and read that list instead of my main page. (You can actually bookmark specific FB lists.)
This one is PPP and is only one company but it is divided into some very interesting categories. Olds favor Obama slightly [Go Team Old!] and white males seem to be approaching half-and-half.
Early voting starts very soon and lots of the oldsters vote early. I’ll be happy with an even split of R-D.
89.
Jewish Steel
@raven: I saw that C/U rock music scene article in the print edition of the alumni magazine sitting out on the desk of a lawyer who’s office I clean.
I leafed though the pictures and tried see if I could spot you, of course.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Akin did not drop out. I don’t know if he actually had his press conference; he apparently has a history of announcing them and then canceling. The only thing on TPM is that the Dems are starting all the anti-Akin ads that they didn’t want to waste money airing until they knew he would stay in.
Word. Ideological obsessionism aside, E son of E’s fixation on “electability” kinda ducks the real issue. Gaffe-prone doofus and all-around stiff as Mitt Romney has turned out to be*, it must really chap the wingers’ shorts that the Mittster really WAS the most “electable” Republican this cycle. I really wonder just how a GOP ticket of, say, Rick Perry and Ron Paul would be polling against Obama/Biden right now?
* btw, previous comment notwithstanding, Willard actually made a clever remark today: speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative, he said something to the effect that “a few good words from Bill Clinton can do wonders“. He’s right, though: they sure helped President Obama!
92.
quannlace
(Sorry, I grew up in the 90s, through the Hillary Headband phase
Forget the headband. I will never forget the bizarre blue UFO hat she wore at the first inaugaration. Whoever advised her on that should have been sacked, toute-suite!
*******
So now that Obama has weighed in on the NFL ref shut-out, how soon till Romney puts in his two cents? Where he’ll say again, “I like sport !”
@raven:
I walked away in meatspace from about four or five people earlier this year. I’m glad I did that.
94.
flukebucket
@lamh35: Absolutely not. And I am of the opinion that we have to engage but we have to do it with honest mutual respect with our fellow citizens.
The most difficult thing in the world is to discuss economics with a guy wearing a coonskin cap that has a badge on it saying don’t tread on me.
Healthcare is much the same. The only difference being that the guy is probably carrying a sign with the picture of an amoeba on one side captioned “this is what a liberal considers life” and a fetus on the other captioned “liberals do not consider this life”
I come here always in search of links that educate me and help me decide what I believe and why I believe it.
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
No kidding. And somewhere in his CV he never shared with her that he’s a ninja. Or a gopher.
97.
trollhattan
@Redshift:
Loved how he started the whole kerfuffle already in a deep trench due to confusing Romney and Obama. Durn smart, this one.
98.
22over7
@Jay C: It’s an interesting question. Ideology is impotent without power, and I think that there must be Rs out there somewhere who are not captured by the epistemic closure.
What those people are looking at is loss of power. The amplification of the crazy sells, sure, but without results it’s just a bunch of lunatics talking to themselves.
I’m just sure Karl Rove is giving this a lot of thought. Of course, he’s busy right now funneling dumptruck loads of money into offshore accounts.
Seriously. I tremble for my country if Obama does not win. And I am completely and utterly serious. I really don’t know what will happen, but I know it won’t be good. We may all be getting a taste of firehoses and National Guardsman firing into crowds of innocent bystanders and actual protesters alike. It may be even worse than that. I sure hope it isn’t but I am pessimistic about the outcome of a Rmoney win. Even more than I was from the minute it became clear that the 2000 result was fucked and that nitwit W was gonna be forced into the presidency come, hell or high water. At the time, I didn’t think I could feel more depressed. But I hadn’t lived through the last twelve years at the time. I had no idea. I worry that it could ever get worse, but I’m also sure that it could because it did then.
And let me say that I’m old enough to have lived through the assassination of both Kennedys, King, Watergate, Reagan…it always got worse. This country has been losing its mind for the last fifty years.
I am of the opinion that we have to engage but we have to do it with honest mutual respect with our fellow citizens
Well, you earn my respect or you don’t and if not… well, I’m happy to stomp a mudhole in you – figuratively…
102.
Cassandra
Change to requirements for PA Voter ID. No documents necessary. People have to go to the PennDOT center and give their name, address, DOB, and SS# and they can get a free ID. Just heard it on the local news. They also said the judge has promised to issue his ruling soon, before the Oct. 2nd date the High court called for. The plot doth thicken.
Thanks to decades of undermining unions and labor power, arguments like this are now being openly leveled at the locked out NFL referees on ESPN:
Do you have a pension?
It’s a simple question for which many Americans have a simple answer: not anymore. In this job market, you’re lucky to get a halfway decent paycheck, never mind the details of pensions or health insurance. The buzzwords of today are furlough and salary freeze and layoffs. Pensions? Those are things of the past.
Remember, they are fighting for the continuation of their existing pension plan, not establishing a new one.
105.
dr. luba
@lamh35: Not over the top at all. Most doctors actually welcome Obamacare–patients will be insured and we’ll be able to provide better care for them (because they can get the testing and procedures that they need done).
Really? Although having to get to a PennDOT center still is a huge hardship. Not every county has one. And hopefully, that idiot judge will rule according to the evidence and precedent this time.
I’m fairly sure cats are more libertarians. They are very “whats in it for me, me, me”, “selfishness is the ultimate virtue” kind of beings.
But ever so much cuter and nicer than Rand Paul or Paul Ryan.
108.
MattR
@penpen: I was shocked to see the ESPN selected top comments were pretty unanimous in bashing that opinion.
OTOH, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker came out in favor of the union refs last night. Now if we can only manage to get a group of replacement teachers to cost the Packers a football game.
109.
raven
@Jewish Steel: I was near that shot behind the union!
He got a bunch of “supporters” to stand behind him, but his campaign manager noticed that there were no wimminz. So he “requested” that the dudes “get yer wives to stand with ya’ll”, and NO females got behind him……..
…EXCEPT for that 900 year old fossil Phylis Schlafly.
@MattR: The sentiment of, “Labor should suck it up and take whatever Capital offers and say thank you” is just mind boggling, and as many of the commentators pointed out, in this case actually contrary to basic economic principles, considering how clear it has become that the real refs are irreplaceable talent-wise.
112.
Cassandra
@geg6: Yes, I agree with both your points, but I do see cracks forming in the hard line they thought they were going to get away with.
113.
MattR
@penpen: I think this overstates things but I also think it is true that some people’s vote will be influenced by what is happening with the NFL refs.
114.
SiubhanDuinne
I’m sure I’m not the first to ask this, but what the heck happened to the rotating tag line under the banner??
I have no idea what DougJ was referring to by an old gray wall and then commentators talking about some non-specified rock band. Could we reference subjects or give hyperlinks or something for the rest of us clueless BJ-ers.
Gozer
Badfinger? Or the Worstfinger?
gbear
@Gozer: Bestfinger, no matter what…
Best band with the saddest story ever. Completely screwed over by everyone they dealt with. Two of the four members hanged themselves to death.
Warren
Here is your pop nerd nod of approval. You deserve it.
LittlePig
Yep. I felt quite the moron when I found out just exactly *why* they sounded so much like the Beatles.
DougJ
@gbear:
That VH-1 behind the music damn near made me cry.
piratedan
@gbear: I am still saddened by all the music Pete Ham never composed, those guys were good, their musicianship and lyrical quality rarely equalled.
lamh35
So I usually leave politics at the door with my more conservative co-workers, but one of them I consider a friend if not a good one and for that reason, I try to never talk politics with her. but she posted the following to FB this weekend and I was just made aware of it:
Like I said, I tend to dust if off my shoulder, but when this was brought to my attention, I admit, it pissed me off to no end and I had to respond, so this is what I wrote on my FB page, and made sure it can be seen by all my friends (I usually filter who sees my more political stuff and this person is one who I filter so that she doesn’t see my political post):
Too much???
dmsilev
Erick son of Erick has a sad:
Maude
No matter what you do. Still sounds good.
Did the top of the page change underneath the banner or am I seeing things again?
gbear
@DougJ: Really. I’ve loved the band all along, have a full set of albums autographed by all the members other than Pete Ham, and I was just heartbroken to watch their history when I found it on YouTube. I think Joey Molland lives in the Twin Cities now.
lamh35
My 2nd post on facebook was the following:
raven
Wanna read about the Champaign-Urbana music scenes in the 60’s and 70′?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
It turns out Romney was correct after all. We do have a class of lazy, entitled moochers who don’t pay their fair share of taxes, who feel they are victims, expect the govt to provide for them and who refuse to take responsibility for the messes they create and whine like little babies when they don’t get their way. We even have a special term for these parasites. We call them NFL owners.
gbear
@piratedan: There are a couple of CDs of Peter Ham demos that were released by his estate. I’m not sure how hard they are to find now, but if you’re looking for more music by Ham, you’ll love them.
DougJ
@lamh35:
I don’t think that’s over-the-top.
Brachiator
Best of times, worst of times
This was originally posted on gizmodo, sad and very moving story of a comedian and how a tragedy affected his life
The Best of Times, The Worst of Times – Anthony Griffith
Warning: You will cry. But you’ll be a better person for it
suzanne
@lamh35: That was awesome. I am of the opinion that the “politeness” custom of not talking about this stuff is part of why we don’t win more often. Liberals/progressives/whatever-you-wanna-call-its need to be vociferous about what we believe and why.
Todd
George Atallah (NFLPA rep) is over at Deadspin doing a live chat. The players are pissed.
The owners may be Galtian geniuses, but they’re no longer in control of messaging to the point where they get a clear field run on the “guys making a zillion dollars playing a game” claim.
All too many fans realize and can tweet/facebook/message about the fact that nobody pays ticket money or buys swag in order to see owners own or front room managers shuffle paper.
anibundel
My cats have no interest in fasting on Yom Kippur. They are obviously not sorry for their misdeeds.
Suffern ACE
@dmsilev: I’m not old enough to remember, but were Democrats this bad during Nixon’s recession(you know, the one where we went off the gold standard). Did we pretend that it was 1933 all over again and we were in the Great Depression and that our candidates were FDR II and those that weren’t were shunned? It’s like always 1980 for them. 1980 sucked, and they always want it to be 1980 and they just always run against variations of Carter. Even their Jimmy Carter is imaginary.
anibundel
@Todd: Until the fans somehow magically manage a country wide boycott of football, the owners aren’t going to get the message.
Culture of Truth
SHUT IT DOWN
Obama: NFL Needs Regular Refs
Aboard Air Force One (AP) – The White House says President Barack Obama believes that a disputed end to the Green Bay Packers-Seattle Seahawks football game means it is time to resolve a labor dispute and get regular referees back to officiating NFL games.
Obama spokesman Jay Carney told reporters aboard Air Force One that the president, an avid sports fan, watched the game and “thinks there was a real problem with that call.” Carney called the play “very distressing for every American football fan.”
patrick II
Great picture that accompanies this post at LGM.
Matthew Reid Krell
@anibundel: Your internet will be arriving shortly.
raven
@Suffern ACE: Fuck no, we were too busy worrying about getting a bad case of lead poisoning from the Ohio National Guard, Charlie and a host of other protagonists!
j
@lamh35:
Go for her wingnut primal instinct (money). Point out to her that her taxes will probably go down due to the county not having to run its own charity hospitals.
Once “Obamacare” goes into effect full swing anybody can see any doctor he or she wants and still be covered. They won’t be forced to go to the local tax supported (charity) health care facility.
There ‘may’ be a small surge at first, due to people who haven’t seen a doctor in decades finally getting some care, but after a few months that swell will even out.
anibundel
Also, just saw a clip of Hillary on Hardball and damn her hair looks good.
(Sorry, I grew up in the 90s, through the Hillary Headband phase and the cruel remarks about how she styled herself. Seeing how damn good she looks now feels like the long slow vindication of history. Or something.
Whatever, maybe I’m just a shallow person who likes to write about fashion.
Oh, yeah, I am.)
patrick II
@lamh35:
If DougJ doesn’t think you are over the top, then you should be ok.
Chris
@dmsilev:
They’re ALREADY in full “blame the elites for our failure” mode. Man, they must really be feeling just sick about their chances.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Culture of Truth:
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Next up:
(1) Every wingnut in America turns into a Seattle Seahawks fan.
(2) Mitt Romney announces that the President is apologising for strikers and that he (Mitt) would have called it a touchdown just like the replacement refs. Followed by a campaign appearance in Wisconsin in which Mitt Romney announces that he would have overturned his own call on replay.
ericblair
But, see, if Obamacare becomes a reality, I’ll have to wait a few extra days to get my allergist appointment. Instead of waiting an extra five hours in excruciating pain to get my broken leg set in the emergency room. Oh, wait.
anibundel
@Culture of Truth: How much do Obama’s chances increase of a 50 state landslide if he personally gets involved after this weekend and forces the lockout to end?
piratedan
@gbear: thnx gbear! I’ll enact my google-fu and get on it. So take my spoon, Blodwyn, make it soon, Blodwyn…. the valley knows, how I feel today…..
Matthew Reid Krell
@anibundel: A second Internet is on back order for you. It should arrive tomorrow.
Also, I will have your babies now.
ThresherK
@lamh35: By no means is that too much.
Let us know if these are the same sort who simultaneously will toss off with ease the ubersolution that “If I’m not happy with XYZ Health Insurance I can always get a new health insurer.”
Personally, another round of “October roulette” is coming up at my workplace. I hope the HR people were able to keep the damage to a minimum.
geg6
Oh, thanks for that title, Doug. It’s one of my favorite songs of all time. A great band with what may be the greatest band name of all time, ever.
Felinious Wench
@lamh35:
Nope.
My parents lost their small business when my dad had to have heart surgery back in 1993. Insurance company said it was preexisting, did not cover it. Parents went bankrupt under the medical bills and had to close their business. They lost all of their savings.
It’s amazing how those of us who have watched people lose everything, or who have lived through it themselves, have a totally different view of Obamacare.
dmsilev
@Chris: Erickson is also setting up a good old fashioned dolchstosslegende. Romney *would* have won if it weren’t for the betrayal by the degenerates who were nominally on his side.
anibundel
@Matthew Reid Krell: Woots! An internet heir and an internet spare!
gelfling545
@anibundel: Cats never acknowledge any misdeeds. Ever.
Felinious Wench
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: Looks like several internets will need to be delivered from this thread.
Well done!
jl
@Culture of Truth:
” Obama: NFL Needs Regular Refs ”
Given the reaction I’ve heard in football fans in my circles, I would say that this Obama is one “in touch dude” with the American People.
Let’s see if his lead over Mitt with NASCAR fans I linked to yesterday holds up.
patrick II
@dmsilev:
Given the vagaries of the world or the possibility that Obama may shoot his dog Bo on the White House lawn, Obama could lose. But Mitt can’t win regardless of any message honing he partakes in.
Culture of Truth
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ: (3) A Romney spokesman later clarifies that the statements were “awkwardly put” but that Romney stands by his earlier statement, but that the NFL needs better officiating, which would be encourage through lower taxes
(4) a video is released the next day showing Mitt Romeny telling staffers “football, it’s such a dumb sport. I mean, they don’t use their feet much. I don’t get it, honestly.”
Felinious Wench
@gelfling545:
Cats cannot fail. They can only be failed.
Calouste
@Culture of Truth:
They should ask Romney to comment, just to watch him stumble over things happening in “the sports”.
piratedan
also too…. multiple diaries over at GOS indicating more polling goodness also a diarist referencing a PPP poll showing Duckworth up over Walsh by 14 points. Obama ahead now in NC and Florida per various pollsters. Naturally, the skew or unskew factors may be open for debate.
Linda Featheringill
@anibundel:
Misdeed? What misdeed? What is this “misdeed” you speak of?
:-)
May you be sealed for a good year in the Book of Life.
Maude
@patrick II:
DougJ was banned from NYT.
Felinious Wench
@Calouste:
“Union conflict has now entered the world of sport.”
gelfling545
@Felinious Wench: Good gods! Does this mean my cat is a …. conservative?
The Dangerman
I’m not sure I’m going crazy or if there’s a disproportionate amount of weird shit going on these days. Just for reasonably current examples, the Detroit Lions fucked up a play where all you have to do is fucking do nothing (not to mention last nights well discussed bullshit) and, for reasons unknown to me, people give a shit about the Kardashians (FWIW, I’ve met Bruce Jenner; he’s kind of a shit).
I just hope it’s not in the air or the water because, call me crazy, but I’m really nervous about Romney’s chances (which shouldn’t be higher than zero, but it is what it is). I don’t want to see the Mayans proved right.
Culture of Truth
Cable news in banned in the White House and Air Force One. ESPN only. Bam knows what’s up.
patrick II
@Maude:
Really?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@Culture of Truth:
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So who will be the first wingnut pundit to compare this tyrannical meddling in sports with the scandal that broke out when Hitler refused to shake hands with Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics?
Jibeaux
@Calouste: He calls it “sport.” Like the British do. It’s fucking weird.
Jay C
@dmsilev:
Sure, Erick: that’s the ticket: it’s all the “elitists” fault.
I really wonder who he thought would be as (still less more) “electable” than Mitt Romney: Rick Santorum? Newt Gingrich? Donald Trump?
Again,
right-wing nutjob politicsconservatism can’t fail: it can only BE failed. The fail, he is delicious…..Linda Featheringill
@anibundel: #32
He [Obama] just might capture the white male vote!
Felinious Wench
@gelfling545:
Now there’s an intriguing question. Are cats inherently conservative?
Anoniminous
@anibundel:
You have failed to grasp the essential nature of cats. For example:
1. Cats never do misdeeds. Whatever they do is right and proper.
2. Every day is “Yum, Kippers!” And if not, it’s your misdeed by not feeding them correctly.
trollhattan
Beating the high cost of rent.
Once worked in a building where it was discovered that doodz had been living in the crawlspace above our offices, evidentally for quite awhile because they had beds, clothing and food up there. They were only discovered because they broke into the offices one weekend (boredom?) and made a general mess, leading to the discovery.
It cleared up a lot of little mysteries that had been occurring for months.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/25/4853574/sc-womans-ex-boyfriend-found-living.html#storylink=cpy
anibundel
@Felinious Wench: Romney wants refs to “come back onto the NFL playing fields.”
*shakes head*
trollhattan
@Maude:
Aiming high is all we ask.
anibundel
@Felinious Wench: Are cats inherently conservative?
–They like to hunt
–They dislike change and sniff it suspiciously
–Self reliance
–Only allow bellyrubs from those they trust
I would say it’s a strong case.
Felinious Wench
@Maude:
It was one of the prouder moments of this blog.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@dmsilev: fucking hilarious. Which of the Seven Dwarves that Snow Willard was on stage with does Dopey think would be beating Obama? Ron Paul? Bachmann? Santorum? I think Daniels, Thune or Pawlenty– he really fucking blew it, IMHO– might’ve given Obama a run for his money, but Willard was the best of the lot once Pawlenty dropped out.
So Akin did not drop out? Anybody see anytihng about his press conference? What was the point?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
@trollhattan:
So I guess leaving her a rose every day didn’t work out so well in this case, huh?
Maude
@patrick II:
Really. He made the best comment ever and they didn’t think it was appropriate.
Ask him to repeat it. I would only get it wrong.
eemom
@lamh35:
I feelz ya. I have 0 desire to FB with anyone I have to deal with professionally — but WTF are you supposed to do when someone sends you a friend request?
Recently, the person in question posted a nauseating “both sides do it” rant, which I suspected was at least partially prompted by one of my many no-holds-barred anti-republican posts. It was infuriating because
I was just itching to respond — and it totally goes against the grain for me NOT to respond when provoked — but I just don’t need that kind of shit with a co-worker.
Now I just block her from seeing my posts at all.
geg6
@anibundel:
Well, it’s well known that Mittens loves athletic contests. After all, he ran a successful Olympics, which must have had football because isn’t football a winter sport?
Kathy in St. Louis
@Chris: Erik reminds me of the kids on the bench in the last inning with 2 outs and no one on. They keep yelling at their last hitter to get a hit. That was my son, the 4th grade realist, who turned around to them and yelled back, “Be quiet, we’re gonna lose anyway.”
Erik needs to face reality.
Redshift
@lamh35: The only thing I might add is demanding a source for the “Doctors are already giving up.” (Because it’s almost certainly the BS study conducted by a right-wing group pretending to be a doctors’ organization like the AMA.)
22over7
@Jay C:
If I remember correctly, Redstate was all hot and bothered for Perry, even after it was discovered that he couldn’t find a coherent sentence with two hands and a map. Liberal conspiracy, or something.
And many posters held out hope for months that Sarah would come sweeping down on her moose and save them.
They never liked Romney. Eric is swallowing hard.
Maude
@Felinious Wench:
I still shed a tear when I think of it.
Brachiator
You know it’s bad when even the most craptastic elements of the British press start mocking the NFL faux-refs
Also, too, why is Bristol Palin still on TV, on Dancing with the Stars All Stars?
Are we doomed to have this family of grifters in our faces forever?
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, Erick spent most of the primary season supporting Perry, until it became blindingly obvious to all and sundry that calling Perry as dumb as a post would be a gross slander to posts. I’m sure that whoever he had as his ideal candidate was, for some unfathomable reason, not actually running this year.
anibundel
@Brachiator: It’s their last minute. All the other shows have been canceled.
elmo
I posted this in another thread a few days ago, but the thread got bigfooted shortly thereafter and I wanted to see it get more play:
I want to see an ad that uses our own dogwhistles for once. I want to see an ad (or maybe direct mailer) that hammers (R)-Money with the “no abortions even for rape” with its natural consequences.
Playing over snapshots from the Warren Jeffs trial, the following narration: “Mitt Romney wants child brides and teenage rape victims to be forced to bear children. Those might be Mitt Romney’s values, but those aren’t American values. Don’t let Mitt Romney force his values on America.”
OFA can’t do it, obvs, but MoveOn could.
raven
@eemom: I posted the other day that I had an old high school buddy on FB. I was very close with him and his family but when I came home and began to work against the war they turned on me. His mother actually told me, in the same conversation, that I had no right to protest the war and that HER kids were not going. I reconnected with him about 10 years ago and he went out of his way to apologize for how I was treated. He lost his job during the Bush years and has been struggling with depression. I posted that “Conservative History of America” and get a comment from him reading “where will we go when Obama destroys this country”. My first reaction was to blast him but decided the best thing to do was just dump him from the FB.
DougJ
@eemom:
I agree completely. I had to defriend a colleague because he was ranting about the Mideast and I didn’t want to get drawn in.
Now I worry that he can see that I defriended him. Can he?
Redshift
@eemom:
I usually just ignore it, and if they press the point, I say “Oh, sorry; I have a Facebook account but I don’t really use it.”
That was how I dealt with an unpleasant local Democratic activist who demanded “Why didn’t you accept my friend request? We’re friends, aren’t we?”
trollhattan
@anibundel:
[clears RomneyTron12 simulated throat] “We have become aware of inconsistencies in the meting of rule enforcement in the National Handegg Competition arena places. Whilst clearing a path for a permanent, Hayakian, FreeMarket(pbut) resolution to aforementioned impediments to fair sport, we in the interim entreaty the on-turf rules-judging professionals to return to the games-playing place. What say you, chums?”
[Enthusiastically] “Go, BYU.”
Anne Laurie
@lamh35: That’s not over the top, that’s honest. Good for you!
ranchandsyrup
@DougJ: He will be able to tell. Maybe he won’t notice. Nah, he’ll probably notice.
Redshift
@DougJ: He can find out if he looks at his friend list, but I don’t think he gets notified.
The way I’ve dealt with some people who I don’t want to hear from, but it would potentially cause social friction to unfriend them, is to create a list with everyone I actually want to follow, and read that list instead of my main page. (You can actually bookmark specific FB lists.)
trollhattan
@Redshift:
This captures my FB ambivalence.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2012/09/the-perils-of-writing-about-politics-on-facebook
JPL
@gbear: When the song was written our country was truly in turmoil. That old grey wall might need to come down again if Romney wins.
Linda Featheringill
@piratedan:
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2012/9/20
This one is PPP and is only one company but it is divided into some very interesting categories. Olds favor Obama slightly [Go Team Old!] and white males seem to be approaching half-and-half.
Early voting starts very soon and lots of the oldsters vote early. I’ll be happy with an even split of R-D.
Jewish Steel
@raven: I saw that C/U rock music scene article in the print edition of the alumni magazine sitting out on the desk of a lawyer who’s office I clean.
I leafed though the pictures and tried see if I could spot you, of course.
Redshift
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Akin did not drop out. I don’t know if he actually had his press conference; he apparently has a history of announcing them and then canceling. The only thing on TPM is that the Dems are starting all the anti-Akin ads that they didn’t want to waste money airing until they knew he would stay in.
Jay C
@22over7:
Word. Ideological obsessionism aside, E son of E’s fixation on “electability” kinda ducks the real issue. Gaffe-prone doofus and all-around stiff as Mitt Romney has turned out to be*, it must really chap the wingers’ shorts that the Mittster really WAS the most “electable” Republican this cycle. I really wonder just how a GOP ticket of, say, Rick Perry and Ron Paul would be polling against Obama/Biden right now?
* btw, previous comment notwithstanding, Willard actually made a clever remark today: speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative, he said something to the effect that “a few good words from Bill Clinton can do wonders“. He’s right, though: they sure helped President Obama!
quannlace
Forget the headband. I will never forget the bizarre blue UFO hat she wore at the first inaugaration. Whoever advised her on that should have been sacked, toute-suite!
*******
So now that Obama has weighed in on the NFL ref shut-out, how soon till Romney puts in his two cents? Where he’ll say again, “I like sport !”
Maude
@raven:
I walked away in meatspace from about four or five people earlier this year. I’m glad I did that.
flukebucket
@lamh35: Absolutely not. And I am of the opinion that we have to engage but we have to do it with honest mutual respect with our fellow citizens.
The most difficult thing in the world is to discuss economics with a guy wearing a coonskin cap that has a badge on it saying don’t tread on me.
Healthcare is much the same. The only difference being that the guy is probably carrying a sign with the picture of an amoeba on one side captioned “this is what a liberal considers life” and a fetus on the other captioned “liberals do not consider this life”
I come here always in search of links that educate me and help me decide what I believe and why I believe it.
Redshift
@trollhattan: Awesome.
trollhattan
@ThatLeftTurnInABQ:
No kidding. And somewhere in his CV he never shared with her that he’s a ninja. Or a gopher.
trollhattan
@Redshift:
Loved how he started the whole kerfuffle already in a deep trench due to confusing Romney and Obama. Durn smart, this one.
22over7
@Jay C: It’s an interesting question. Ideology is impotent without power, and I think that there must be Rs out there somewhere who are not captured by the epistemic closure.
What those people are looking at is loss of power. The amplification of the crazy sells, sure, but without results it’s just a bunch of lunatics talking to themselves.
I’m just sure Karl Rove is giving this a lot of thought. Of course, he’s busy right now funneling dumptruck loads of money into offshore accounts.
geg6
@JPL:
Seriously. I tremble for my country if Obama does not win. And I am completely and utterly serious. I really don’t know what will happen, but I know it won’t be good. We may all be getting a taste of firehoses and National Guardsman firing into crowds of innocent bystanders and actual protesters alike. It may be even worse than that. I sure hope it isn’t but I am pessimistic about the outcome of a Rmoney win. Even more than I was from the minute it became clear that the 2000 result was fucked and that nitwit W was gonna be forced into the presidency come, hell or high water. At the time, I didn’t think I could feel more depressed. But I hadn’t lived through the last twelve years at the time. I had no idea. I worry that it could ever get worse, but I’m also sure that it could because it did then.
geg6
@geg6:
And let me say that I’m old enough to have lived through the assassination of both Kennedys, King, Watergate, Reagan…it always got worse. This country has been losing its mind for the last fifty years.
Chuck Butcher
@flukebucket:
Well, you earn my respect or you don’t and if not… well, I’m happy to stomp a mudhole in you – figuratively…
Cassandra
Change to requirements for PA Voter ID. No documents necessary. People have to go to the PennDOT center and give their name, address, DOB, and SS# and they can get a free ID. Just heard it on the local news. They also said the judge has promised to issue his ruling soon, before the Oct. 2nd date the High court called for. The plot doth thicken.
JPL
@geg6: Well Obama is gonna win so no problem.
penpen
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8424265/regular-officials-bear-share-blame-nfl
Thanks to decades of undermining unions and labor power, arguments like this are now being openly leveled at the locked out NFL referees on ESPN:
Remember, they are fighting for the continuation of their existing pension plan, not establishing a new one.
dr. luba
@lamh35: Not over the top at all. Most doctors actually welcome Obamacare–patients will be insured and we’ll be able to provide better care for them (because they can get the testing and procedures that they need done).
I’m a doctor, and I approved your message.
geg6
@JPL:
You’re right, but I’m going to keep working on the principle that he might not. Plus, there are down ticket races that are important, too.
@Cassandra:
Really? Although having to get to a PennDOT center still is a huge hardship. Not every county has one. And hopefully, that idiot judge will rule according to the evidence and precedent this time.
cckids
@gelfling545:
I’m fairly sure cats are more libertarians. They are very “whats in it for me, me, me”, “selfishness is the ultimate virtue” kind of beings.
But ever so much cuter and nicer than Rand Paul or Paul Ryan.
MattR
@penpen: I was shocked to see the ESPN selected top comments were pretty unanimous in bashing that opinion.
OTOH, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker came out in favor of the union refs last night. Now if we can only manage to get a group of replacement teachers to cost the Packers a football game.
raven
@Jewish Steel: I was near that shot behind the union!
j
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He got a bunch of “supporters” to stand behind him, but his campaign manager noticed that there were no wimminz. So he “requested” that the dudes “get yer wives to stand with ya’ll”, and NO females got behind him……..
…EXCEPT for that 900 year old fossil Phylis Schlafly.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/25/1136329/-Todd-Akin-is-staying-on-the-ballot-despite-Republican-efforts-to-shut-that-whole-thing-down
penpen
@MattR: The sentiment of, “Labor should suck it up and take whatever Capital offers and say thank you” is just mind boggling, and as many of the commentators pointed out, in this case actually contrary to basic economic principles, considering how clear it has become that the real refs are irreplaceable talent-wise.
Cassandra
@geg6: Yes, I agree with both your points, but I do see cracks forming in the hard line they thought they were going to get away with.
MattR
@penpen: I think this overstates things but I also think it is true that some people’s vote will be influenced by what is happening with the NFL refs.
SiubhanDuinne
I’m sure I’m not the first to ask this, but what the heck happened to the rotating tag line under the banner??
mainmati
I have no idea what DougJ was referring to by an old gray wall and then commentators talking about some non-specified rock band. Could we reference subjects or give hyperlinks or something for the rest of us clueless BJ-ers.
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