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You are here: Home / Boston Suspect in Custody

Boston Suspect in Custody

by Anne Laurie|  April 19, 20138:53 pm| 174 Comments

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… and being taken to the hospital for ‘multiple injuries’. Really hope they can keep him alive, because it’ll tamp down some of the wilder conspiracy theories if he’s (eventually) availabe for questioning.

CBS livestream here.

ETA Comic relief (h/t commentor Dmsilev) from TPM Livewire:

Addressing what he described as a “most unfortunate misunderstanding” to emerge after it was revealed that the two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings are of Chechen descent, Petr Gandalovič, Ambassador of the Czech Republic to the United States, issued a statement on Friday to clarify that the “Czech Republic and Chechnya are two very different entities.”…

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  1. 1.

    raven

    April 19, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    Salute to the law enforcement and first responders all week.

  2. 2.

    Redshirt

    April 19, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Great job LEO!

    So glad they took him alive.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    April 19, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    Good job to all on the job.

  4. 4.

    Joel

    April 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Great fucking job BPD, ATF, and FBI.
    Great fucking job to all the PDs of surrounding cities, embassy security officers, and everyone else who chipped in.
    Nice fucking job Dunkin’ Donuts.

    High fives all around.

  5. 5.

    Spaghetti Lee

    April 19, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Glad they got him alive. I hope they get him to talk, like you said.

  6. 6.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    “…it’ll tamp down some of the wilder conspiracy theories if he’s (eventually) available for questioning.”

    Or not. Might tamp down some of the less bizarre conspiracy theories, but the wilder ones will roll merrily along.

  7. 7.

    scav

    April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    and Guard reports (carefully saying unconfirmed) Mirandized.

  8. 8.

    Mary G

    April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    You stepped on your own thread this time, AL!

    Nice job by law enforcement. Thanks to all who praised CBS, they are refreshingly calm, measured, and precise.

  9. 9.

    dmsilev

    April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    @Joel: Shitty job by the media. And a true Epic Fail to the folks out in social-media land who prompted this statement.

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    I am applauding the police and responders.

    Here in my living room in Virginia.

  11. 11.

    Betty Cracker

    April 19, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    News shows residents lining the streets cheering for the cops. Awesome.

  12. 12.

    Unsympathetic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    since i don’t look at the crazy people.. what are the more ridiculous conspiracy theories?

    that this is a “false flag” op designed to be the next great way to TAKEALLGUNSNOW!!!11ELEVENTY ?

  13. 13.

    cyntax

    April 19, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    @Bruce S:

    Given the barely casual acquaintance most conspiracy theories have to facts, this should not impede their momentum much at all.

  14. 14.

    Has Lop

    April 19, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    So single gunman who is the subject of the most intensive manhunt in history is in a shoot out with police but gets away. Police place 2 million people on lockdown in a 200 square mile area and then conduct a house to house search in area and find nothing. The release lockdown. Woman goes outside and sees a trail of blood leading to a boat that is a mile away from shoot out scene.

    Yeah, some top notch police work there. Who would ever think that someone might hide in a boat in a backyard?

  15. 15.

    NobodySpecial

    April 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Treating this as a crime instead of an act of war clearly shows Obama isn’t serious about fighting terrorism. Also, too.

  16. 16.

    Redshirt

    April 19, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Aw, Lindsey haz a sad at implementation of Constitutional Rights.

  17. 17.

    Spaghetti Lee

    April 19, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    @Unsympathetic:

    Yeah. Also that it’s al Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood’s first step in destroying the world. Or the UN’s. Maybe they’ll get him to talk and it turns out he’s in some group, but I haven’t seen any evidence pointing to that.

  18. 18.

    Anya

    April 19, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    I don’t understand what drove this poor kid to this madness and callousness. I cried for the victims of this horrific crime, specially that lovely boy Martin Richard but this kid’s fate makes my heart ache even more. It pains me that someone like him with such potential is driven to this level of misguided hate. He makes me despair for humanity.

  19. 19.

    lamh35

    April 19, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    Ok, I am now a CBS News and Scott Pelley convert. CBS news has been the most calm, cool and collected of all the national nets and cable news net. Mr Pelley’s calm demeanor and the news staff cautionary reporting was well appreciated in comparison to the other idiot news programs.

  20. 20.

    beltane

    April 19, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    @scav: Lindsay will need to loosen his corset strings over that one.

  21. 21.

    Eric

    April 19, 2013 at 9:03 pm

    A guy on CNN pointed out that they had an ambulance there but simply took him away in a polie car, so unlikely the injuries are life threatening

  22. 22.

    Helen

    April 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    So glad he was taken alive. We need him to talk. I am right now about 1/2 way through the book “Columbine.” Looking for an engrossing book? this is it. The parallels between these two cases are fascinating.

    While the Columbine boy’s journals helped, talking to them after the fact would have been stunningly helpful to law enforcement and mental health professionals. We need to talk to this kid.

  23. 23.

    Highway Rob

    April 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    Try him, find him guilty, sentence him to being dropped in the middle of Southie after publicly removing every officer assigned to the neighborhood.

  24. 24.

    Comrade Mary

    April 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    What a relief.

    @Elizabelle:

    I am applauding the police and responders. Here in my living room in Virginia.

    I totally misread the last word. I blame AL’s previous post.

  25. 25.

    MomSense

    April 19, 2013 at 9:04 pm

    People on my facebook feed are now cheering for waterboarding. Ugh.

  26. 26.

    Joel

    April 19, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    @Has Lop: It took ’em three fucking days to find these guys in a metro area of 4 1/2 million people. That’s fucking impressive.

  27. 27.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    @Has Lop: Based on prior experience I really hate to agree with you, but yeah. The whole fucking area was frozen. The kid is 19, possibly wounded, probably scared. Sooner or later he’s got to eat something or take a leak. If I was chief of police, I wouldn’t be putting this on my resume.

  28. 28.

    Violet

    April 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    They say he’s conscious. Really amazing.

  29. 29.

    rikyrah

    April 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    never EVER thought they’d take him alive

  30. 30.

    Petorado

    April 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    Time to exhale.

    So to update the Obama motto; GM is alive, Osama is dead, Tsarnaev is captured, no wars being started.

  31. 31.

    Goblue72

    April 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    So we treated this like a criminal act and caught the bad guys in less than week. As opposed to bombing Iran and taking 10 years to find the schmoes.

    Obama > Bush

  32. 32.

    Highway Rob

    April 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm

    @Violet: Boston cops. Incredible.

  33. 33.

    Libby's person

    April 19, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    It’s pretty amazing how quickly this has happened. It’s only been a few days since the bombing. After it happened, I assumed that it would take weeks, if not months, to break this case. Congratulations to the police, FBI, etc. on a job well done.

  34. 34.

    David Koch

    April 19, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    If Bush was president Dzhokhar would have been allowed to escaped through the Tora Bora pass.

  35. 35.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    @Redshirt:

    Good to know that, even as they captured the bomber, Boston police were also able to protect the country from attacks on our freedoms by Lindsey Graham.

  36. 36.

    Goblue72

    April 19, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Joel: no shit. This ain’t NCIS. This is the real world.

  37. 37.

    Yutsano

    April 19, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: It’s not that hard to hide in a city if you really don’t want to be found, especially since the kid could just attempt to blend in anywhere. Plus he is at least familiar with all the hiding spots at the very least. Police work is sometimes the result of lucky breaks.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    April 19, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    Just wow! To take a fugitive who could be wired alive is amazing. Just wow!

  39. 39.

    Michele C

    April 19, 2013 at 9:09 pm

    @Comrade Mary: thank you for making me actually guffaw out loud!

  40. 40.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    @Anya:

    I don’t understand what drove this poor kid to this madness and callousness.

    He’s 19, no family in the area except his older brother, who seems to have seriously lost the thread. You know the high-faluting quote about, “Given a choice between betraying my friend and betraying my country, I hope I’d have the decency to betray my country”?

  41. 41.

    Gravenstone

    April 19, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    @Unsympathetic: Oh hell, that one was running strong on Monday within hours of the actual bombings.

  42. 42.

    rikyrah

    April 19, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    the bombings are federal cases. he’s under the FBI’s thumb.

    Pete Williams just called him a domestic terrorist.

  43. 43.

    Yutsano

    April 19, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    @Comrade Mary: Uh-huh. I think we might need to have a nice chat about your possible inner lesbyterian. Maybe over timbits and coffee?

  44. 44.

    patroclus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    This is wonderful news! Kudos to all of law enforcement!! They won’t be buying their drinks for a very long time! Now, hopefully, he’ll get a fair trial and we can find out more about why it happened. Condolences to all the victims and their families and friends. The fact that he’s alive is very good news indeed. This has been like a looong movie. Thanks for all the threads!

  45. 45.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    @Yutsano: At 2:00 am he fled a shootout on foot, possibly wounded, in a residential area of mostly single or two-family homes, bounded on one side by a river. He couldn’t have gotten far.

  46. 46.

    trollhattan

    April 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Heartfelt props to all the cops. Please consult to LA about how to conduct a case like this without hosing unrelated civilian vehicles with gunfire.

    And again, thanks! I’m done with terror pr0n for a long, long time.

  47. 47.

    Aimai

    April 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: you do realize they did not know for sure he was the only person involved, nor did they know for certain that there weren’t lots of other bombs left around Boston.

  48. 48.

    Has lop

    April 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    @Joel: how so?

    Their decision to kill a security guard, rob a 7-11, and then hijack a car may have drawn some attention to their whereabouts.

  49. 49.

    joes527

    April 19, 2013 at 9:14 pm

    @dmsilev: the entire editorial staff of the onion has been reprimanded for allowing reality to scoop them

  50. 50.

    max

    April 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    @Has lop: rob a 7-11

    They didn’t rob the 7-11. They were in the 7-11 when someone else robbed it.

    max
    [‘Of all the luck…’]

  51. 51.

    smintheus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    @Yutsano: Well, it was the city of Boston that found the guy. Angry, angry residents keeping an eye out for him until they got the bastard.

  52. 52.

    Violet

    April 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    @Has lop: Thought the 7-11 robbing ended up to be just a rumor.

  53. 53.

    Soonergrunt

    April 19, 2013 at 9:15 pm

    That is all great news. And the best news to come out of this thing, besides no one else getting hurt or killed, is that this kid is going to have his rights (and by extension we will all have our rights) protected.
    If Bush were still in office, we wouldn’t have heard about his capture until after the third quart of water was used on the board at GITMO and we had invaded Czech Republic because we were attacked by a Chechen.

  54. 54.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    As I noted in the previous thread: We need to show the rest of the world (and ourselves) that we can do this without resorting to barbarism. Read him his rights, follow the rules, put him on trial, get the conviction with solid, verifiable evidence. If we say we follow the rule of law, let us follow the rule of law. That is how we get people to think differently about the US.

  55. 55.

    Mandalay

    April 19, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @Has Lop:

    So single gunman who is the subject of the most intensive manhunt in history is in a shoot out with police but gets away. Police place 2 million people on lockdown in a 200 square mile area…

    I had been thinking the same thing. It’s great that it is over, but I hope law enforcement doesn’t just wallow in the public praise that will rightfully be coming their way, and (privately) does some “lessons learned” on this caper.

  56. 56.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    @Aimai: I do realize that. I’m saying that there was a near-zero probability he’d left Watertown. He fled the shootout on foot, so he couldn’t have been carrying much ordnance.

  57. 57.

    GregB

    April 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    @hildebrand:

    Amen again.

  58. 58.

    Has lop

    April 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Oh and I forgot to mention that, during the course of the carjacking, they bragged to th victim that they were the bombers. That may have alerted the LEOs that should follow up.

  59. 59.

    Suffern ACE

    April 19, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    @Has lop: they had already checked that boat according to reports. So who knows where he had been moving.

  60. 60.

    Svensker

    April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    @Anya:

    Right there with you.

  61. 61.

    Mnemosyne

    April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    @rikyrah:

    never EVER thought they’d take him alive

    I didn’t think they would, but I was hoping they could. The information that’s coming out (and it is, of course, all subject to the usual caveats) made it sound as though his brother was the mastermind, so once his brother was dead, I was hopeful that they could talk him down and take him alive.

  62. 62.

    Elizabelle

    April 19, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    @Comrade Mary:

    tee hee

  63. 63.

    Phoenix_rising

    April 19, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    @Anne Laurie: The dynamic of the little brother and his big brother is, lots of times, fraught.

    I thought of this kid a lot this week. We used to babysit him; he lived down the street.

    How did the FBI “informant” (who hired him when he was unemployed, and gave him all the beer and pot he could metabolize) get the kind, gentle little brother, a kid who would brush my dog for an hour if she had a burr, into the car to carry out a non-existent bombing plot? Simple: “Don’t be a wuss, Connor”.

    Obviously it’s complicated, but I’d guess this is complicated too. If only his big brother had been yet another plant…

  64. 64.

    Arclite

    April 19, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    I hope he lives too, but I can’t imagine what his life will be like from here on out. If mixed in with the general prison population, he’d be a prime target. Some criminal would shank him for sure.

    I’m sure he deserves what is coming, but I can’t help but think that this kid wouldn’t have done what he did without being influenced by his older brother.

  65. 65.

    Has lop

    April 19, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    @Violet: I don’t know for sure, of course, but the pic posted from the 7-11 camera sure looked like him.

  66. 66.

    Helen

    April 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    If Bush were still in office, we wouldn’t have heard about his capture until after the third quart of water was used on the board at GITMO and we had invaded Czech Republic because we were attacked by a Chechen.

    No, no,no. If Bush was President we would have heard about his capture right before the election.

  67. 67.

    Soonergrunt

    April 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @Has Lop: Spend a lot of time searching for armed hostiles who may or may not have assistance in heavily urbanized terrain with a limited force have you?
    That shit is a LOT harder than people think it is, even when the public is ostensibly on your side.

  68. 68.

    Elizabelle

    April 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    and we had invaded Czech Republic because we were attacked by a Chechen.

    Tell it, brother.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    April 19, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    @max:

    They had a lot of bad luck. The surviving bomber (probably accidentally) running over and killing his brother during the escape is like something out of a Jim Thompson novel.

  70. 70.

    liberal

    April 19, 2013 at 9:21 pm

    @David Koch:
    Heh.

  71. 71.

    Mandalay

    April 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Shitty job by the media.

    There is a nice summary of their latest fuckups here.

    I especially like the one about CNN:

    CNN correspondent says she was told to move by cop saying “you’re in the line of fire, you’re in the line of fire.”

  72. 72.

    Petorado

    April 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    and we had invaded Czech Republic because we were attacked by a Chechen

    The Czech Republic, and east, west, south and north somewhat.

  73. 73.

    Mary G

    April 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    I would think that the public gets in the way and makes officers anxious about hitting innocent bystanders and don’t find it unreasonable to lock down the city after what happened last night.

  74. 74.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    @Has lop:

    Their decision to kill a security guard, rob a 7-11, and then hijack a car may have drawn some attention to their whereabouts.

    Latest detail was that they didn’t rob the 7-11 — just got caught on the security camera there. After which, seems like they panicked, shot that poor MIT cop, and set off the whole day’s drama. They did carjack the SUV, but (small point in their favor) they turned the driver loose… after ‘confessing’ that they’d done the Marathon bombing.

    Let’s not give the Tsarnaev brothers too much credit: They weren’t hardened jihadis or glamourous outlaws, just sad angry young men who decided to commit an unusually prolonged, publicity-friendly suicide by cop. It’s to the credit of all the law enforcement involved that the younger kid didn’t get to live out his action-movie fantasies. Better in every sense that he shares as much information as he has (even if that’s not much more than “My brother had a psychotic break, and I felt too much of a sense of responsiblity to let him die alone”) and stands as a Bad Example rather than a Glorious Martyr!

  75. 75.

    S. Holland

    April 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    @Joel: Yes!!!

  76. 76.

    Anya

    April 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    @Anne Laurie:

    I wish we spend money and resources on mental health promotion and social programs rather than military and endless wars (including war on drugs).

  77. 77.

    fuckwit

    April 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Well done!! That was amazingly fast. Great work by LE, and by the massive community of people assisting them with pictures, videos, data, etc. I guess the Panopticon isn’t such a bad thing. 5 days from commission to custody. Wow.

    I am glad they have Mirandized this kid and hopefully will get him to talk, or at least be able to gather enough info to close this down fast. I’m also hoping they have enough evidence at this point to put him away indefinitely.

    I am not worried about the DA getting a conviction, not after a firefight, they must have him at least on resisting arrest and a bunch of other shit now. If they had a warrant to arrest him to begin with, then they have much more too. If they’ve already found explosives on property, he’s pretty much done in, and if it matches what was found at the Marathon, then there it is, they got him.

    And I really do hope we are able to uncover any and all network connections these kids have to anyone else, and shut them down, ASAP.

    Weird though. Pot-smoking, Truther Muslim terrorists quoting rap music? This is some through-the-looking-glass territory. What the fuck was going on in these kids’ heads?

  78. 78.

    ChrisNYC

    April 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    @Arclite: Some “criminal”? You’re kidding me! They are going to send him to jail with CRIMINALS? Had I known …

  79. 79.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    April 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    My fellow Americans the big difference between Chechens and Czechs is that, Czechs play good hockey and make good Pilsner Beer! Maybe the Discovery Channel, TLC or History do an reality show involving geography.I don’t know maybe Honey Boo Boo in Prague, Sons of Guns do Gozny, Caucasus Moutain Duck Pawn or some stuff like that.

  80. 80.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @Aimai: Also, this demonstrated for anyone with half a brain that *if* there had been others, if there were a cell of say half a dozen, with more ordnance, and not US high school kids, but *real* Chechen or Ingushetian terrorists, we’d have no chance. Look at this picture. That’s for one kid.

  81. 81.

    S. Holland

    April 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Great, great to see!!

  82. 82.

    patroclus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    The best aspect of him being taken alive (and hopefully staying alive) is that we’ll not only find out more about why they (allegedly) did it, but where they got the horrific weaponry, including the bombs and the IED’s and the guns. And, if they were involved with a terrorist organization, we’ll gain valuable intelligence. But more importantly, as others have said, we can show the rest of the world how actual due process works with no torture and no “enhanced interrogation” mand none of that other crap that the Bush administration shoved down our throats.

    I’m not usually a huge law enforcement fan, but major kudos here. Sure, there were missteps from which to learn, but you can’t argue with success in a mere four days. Boston’s Finest indeed! Props to the FBI! And the entire team!

  83. 83.

    Has lop

    April 19, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    @Soonergrunt: no can’t say that I have.

    I have had quite a bit of experience, though, with officious LEOs, ESP. The ex-mil ones, to know that their reflexive defense of procedures, no matter how poorly conceived, doesn’t deserve much deference.

  84. 84.

    PeakVT

    April 19, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    ….issued a statement on Friday to clarify that the “Czech Republic and Chechnya are two very different entities.

    Maybe it’s a lack of imagination on my part, but I don’t see how could someone over the age of 15 possibly confuse the two.

  85. 85.

    Mnemosyne

    April 19, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    @Phoenix_rising:

    G and I had an interesting discussion last night about testosterone poisoning in young men and a weird tendency that they have for deciding that their symbolic actions send a specific message, only to discover that the “message” leaves everyone scratching their heads.

    I have never been a teenage boy, and G has, so I take his word for it when he says that testosterone and male bonding can lead you to very strange places.

  86. 86.

    lamh35

    April 19, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @Eric: CBS reporting he actually has 2 gun shot wounds from earlier shootout and there was alot of blood. he in in serious condition.

  87. 87.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    That shit is a LOT harder than people think it is, even when the public is ostensibly on your side.

    Hell, people keep forgetting how hard it can be to find a little kid or a dementia patient lost in a restricted area, much less a 19-year-old athlete who’s got every incentive to stay ahead of the searchers.

  88. 88.

    JPL

    April 19, 2013 at 9:27 pm

    At some point can we please can them something other than suspect one and two.. Really maybe call them assholes or fill in the blanks.

  89. 89.

    Morzer

    April 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Wilder conspiracy theories, eh?

    Now, where exactly is “Ben Franklin” hiding?

  90. 90.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    @Soonergrunt: How much of the theater was operationally necessary and how much of it was to give the SWAT guys an opportunity to play with all the cool toys we bough them?

  91. 91.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Looking at all of the people on the streets in Watertown – pretty amazing.

  92. 92.

    Michele C

    April 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    @Anne Laurie: yes. Yes, indeed.

  93. 93.

    MazeDancer

    April 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Store was robbed, by coincidence, when all the shit was coming down.

    Apparently the bomber brothers thought the police responding to 7/11 burglary were coming for them. Because, astoundingly, the brothers were nearby. So that’s why they shot Sean Collier, alas. They thought they had to escape the cops.

    So without the 7/11 robbery, the shoot out at MIT might not have happened.

    (Of course, this was reported on TV, so may not be true.)

  94. 94.

    Warren Terra

    April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    Does the ambassador’s clarification mean we can’t root around for a connection between these Chechen-descended assho|es in Boston, and the tragedy that hit West, Texas, home of the Czech Stop?

  95. 95.

    Suffern ACE

    April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    @Mary G: and since they were looking for people with bombs, how many other young males would be asked to strip and be subjected to Jake Tapper’s very odd commentary.

  96. 96.

    White Trash Liberal

    April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    Thank you. The disconnect in this guy’s criticism had me flummoxed. They succeeded in flushing him out in less than 24 hours. Everyone was tethered to their homes, then allowed to move and the breakthrough followed. If anything this manhunt has been superlative. Compare it to the Chris Dorner fiasco.

    And, I just want to add: with all these people within and without the media taking and uploading photos and video, who needs drones?

  97. 97.

    Tone in DC

    April 19, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    LULz.

    Bush would have invaded the Czech Republic, Chechnya, Chad, Cherry Pit Falls and every local Checkers. Just sayin’.

    But I am VERY glad it’s over.

  98. 98.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    @Anne Laurie: A 19-year-old wounded, sleep-deprived, scared and probably hungry kid.

  99. 99.

    scav

    April 19, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    @Mandalay: And Cheers for the unleashing of The Onion on such media shit.

  100. 100.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I have never been a teenage boy, and G has, so I take his word for it when he says that testosterone and male bonding can lead you to very strange places.

    Hell, just look at some of the shenanigans John Cole has confessed!

    There’s a reaons behind the old joke that the four most dangerous words in a young man’s vocabulary are “Hey, y’all — watch this!”

  101. 101.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:32 pm

    It is good to see Charlie Pierce on Rachel’s show (as it has been good to see him on Chris Hayes’ show).

  102. 102.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    April 19, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @MazeDancer: I would like to throw this out to any lawyers, if the 7-11 robber is caught is he on the hook also for the murder of the MIT police officer, since his action triggered the brothers to shoot?

  103. 103.

    MikeJ

    April 19, 2013 at 9:33 pm

    @fuckwit:

    I am glad they have Mirandized this kid and hopefully will get him to talk,

    A Miranda warning isn’t a magic spell that confers rights. You have the right to remain silent even if the cops don’t tell you. Not warning the suspect only serves to blow the case.

    By the same token, if you’re going to be called an enemy combatant, it doesn’t really matter what they’ve told you.

    I am thrilled that the justice system is going to be given a chance to work.

  104. 104.

    Gus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    Random observation: Governor Patrick is too short to be a presidential candidate..

  105. 105.

    patroclus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:34 pm

    @JPL: I’ve been referring to Suspect #2 as “that little shit” – perhaps it’s not politically correct, but it is how I feel. But I do hope that the little shit gets a fair trial and recovers from his injuries.

  106. 106.

    Gravenstone

    April 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    @Morzer: Indeed, been wondering where the little shit stirrer is? Granted, if he wants to just disappear into the dustbin of internet history, I wholeheartedly approve.

  107. 107.

    Joel

    April 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    Carmen Ortiz on the tee-vee.. Mixed feelings.

  108. 108.

    I am not a kook

    April 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    @PeakVT: How many states does the US have on your planet?

  109. 109.

    danimal

    April 19, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    @Warren Terra: I, for one, support the invasion of the Czech Republic. Their support of terrorism has got to stop. Damn liberals, afraid of their own shadows. Sometimes you just gotta invade.

  110. 110.

    James Hare

    April 19, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    We need to start a fund to send Lindsey Graham to North Korea, where the “rule of law” is more in line with his beliefs. His adamant refusal to acknowledge that due process is NOT optional is truly sickening to witness from a member of the highest legislative branch in the land. Folks like the Boston bombers are no threat to our way of life. Folks like Lindsey Graham ARE.

  111. 111.

    Tone in DC

    April 19, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    @Gus:

    Menino looks kinda stature-deprived, too.

  112. 112.

    max

    April 19, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    @Mnemosyne: They had a lot of bad luck. The surviving bomber (probably accidentally) running over and killing his brother during the escape is like something out of a Jim Thompson novel.

    Yeah. I almost posted something this morning (but decided it was too much humor, even for gallows humor) that these guys seemed to be the Col. Klink and Sgt. Schultz of terrorists.

    max
    [‘Nein! Nein! First you shoot at the police and then you blow yourself up before your brother runs you over with the car! Not the other way around! Dummkopf! {headslap}’]

  113. 113.

    Anya

    April 19, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    Carmen Ortiz has blood in her hands. She should not be on my teevee pretending to care about justice.

  114. 114.

    JPL

    April 19, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    @Tone in DC: Now he check himself back into the hospital for surgery on his ankle.

  115. 115.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:40 pm

    @Anya: No snark – can you bring me up to speed on Ortiz?

  116. 116.

    fuckwit

    April 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    @Mnemosyne: It’s true. It’s a problem.

    I think the solution is moar sex, more easily accessible sex, and sex available only to those who are peaceful and grounded, as an incentive to get that way and stay that way. Maybe the non-religious west (i.e. modern Europe) is heading that way.

    Cultures and religions that severely restrict sex and provide it as a reward for violent or aggressive behavior (fundamentalist Christianity and Islam, I’m looking at you!) tend to produce this kind of testosterone-poisoned violence.

    I enjoyed the book “Sex at Dawn”. Apparently, in most tribal cultures, the women long ago found out that ready availability of sex kept the men relatively rational and calm and peaceful. The women would use sex rituals as a way to keep the peace, doing it often enough to keep the testosterone to a mellow level.

  117. 117.

    Violet

    April 19, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: A 19-year-old is an adult, not a kid.

  118. 118.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @hildebrand: She was the driving force behind aggressively prosecuting Aaron Swartz. Many blame his suicide on her.

  119. 119.

    Anya

    April 19, 2013 at 9:42 pm

    @hildebrand: This should explain it all.

  120. 120.

    PeakVT

    April 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @I am not a kook: All of them, Katie.

  121. 121.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @patroclus:

    I’ve been referring to Suspect #2 as “that little shit” – perhaps it’s not politically correct, but it is how I feel.

    One of the local anchors referred to him a “Knucklehead”. Works for [email protected]Joel:

    Carmen Ortiz on the tee-vee.. Mixed feelings.

    One advantage to all the publicity, Ortiz won’t be allowed within blocks of the suspect. No doubt she’ll throw herself in front of every camera comes within range, but the only one she can hurt by flapping her mouth is herself.

  122. 122.

    Suffern ACE

    April 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @max: at the very least if the kid survives his injuries, I can get some answers on this get away attempt.

  123. 123.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Ah, bugger – I knew the name was vaguely familiar, but simply couldn’t bring it to mind. My thanks.

  124. 124.

    I am not a kook

    April 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    I does sound like somebody in the Czech Foreign Office got a report of hate mail coming in from lots of mouth breathers in Amercia and promptly recognized an existential threat to their Republic.

    If they hadn’t caught the guy, certain Representatives and Senators would have started banging the war drum. CNN and NYTimes would have started reminding people about Muhammed Atta and Prague!

    The trauma of George W. Bush will not fade very soon from the world’s memory.

  125. 125.

    Jay C

    April 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @hildebrand:

    If we say we follow the rule of law, let us follow the rule of law. That is how we get people Americans to think differently about the US.

    Fixt.

  126. 126.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @NobodySpecial: Thank you for saying this. I said as much in the stomped thread but you said it better.

  127. 127.

    Gin & Tonic

    April 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    @Violet: Have you looked at him? I think he’s still a kid. And after being in a shootout, being up all night, and probably not having eaten, I’d bet by mid-afternoon he was on such an adrenaline down that your Aunt Mabel could have caught him.

  128. 128.

    Mike in NC

    April 19, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    We were at dinner tonight when the server mentioned that they caught this perp. Hope the people of the city can now relax and get on with their lives.

    Mike
    Boston Technical High School, Class of ’72

  129. 129.

    hildebrand

    April 19, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    @Jay C: Indeed.

  130. 130.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    @Violet: We know now that a 19 year old’s brain hasn’t finished developing. It doesn’t mean they’re intellectually deficient but executive functioning hasn’t reached its full potential, among other things.

    I’m not saying a 19yo should be treated like a 12yo but most I think recognize it’s a far cry from 26.

  131. 131.

    Redshift

    April 19, 2013 at 9:49 pm

    @MikeJ:

    A Miranda warning isn’t a magic spell that confers rights. You have the right to remain silent even if the cops don’t tell you. Not warning the suspect only serves to blow the case.

    Thank you. I wish asshats like Lindsey Graham knew that.

  132. 132.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    @Violet:

    Unless, of course, they happen to be your kid…in which case Good Luck with the “adult” thing.

  133. 133.

    JPL

    April 19, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    OMG.. they are still talking about the miranda warning….
    fu lindsay

  134. 134.

    Violet

    April 19, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I’ve only seen photos online. No idea how accurately they portray him as he was just prior to the bombing.

    @Another Halocene Human: I understand. But legally he’s an adult.

  135. 135.

    Gus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:53 pm

    @danimal: Invade their country and take their sweet, sweet beer.

  136. 136.

    Calouste

    April 19, 2013 at 9:54 pm

    @patroclus:

    The best aspect of him being taken alive (and hopefully staying alive) is that we’ll not only find out more about why they (allegedly) did it, but where they got the horrific weaponry, including the bombs and the IED’s and the guns. And, if they were involved with a terrorist organization, we’ll gain valuable intelligence. But more importantly, as others have said, we can show the rest of the world how actual due process works with no torture and no “enhanced interrogation” and none of that other crap that the Bush administration shoved down our throats.

    I’m not usually a huge law enforcement fan, but major kudos here. Sure, there were missteps from which to learn, but you can’t argue with success in a mere four days. Boston’s Finest indeed! Props to the FBI! And the entire team!

    Quite a lot of the rest of the world know how actual due process works, thank you very much. Although they would appreciate it if America could show that it can remember how it works as well.

  137. 137.

    scuffletuffle

    April 19, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    @Gus: Ah, but he is very intelligent, well-spoken and drop-dead gorgeous good-looking in person. He’d have my vote!

  138. 138.

    Violet

    April 19, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    @Bruce S: I have a friend whose son is about to turn 18. He’s been busy telling his parents how he can do what he wants when he turns 18 because he’ll be an adult. Uh huh. And how’s he going to pay for all the fun he thinks he’s going to be having?

  139. 139.

    Roxy

    April 19, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Public Security Exception is being used on the young man. At this time there will be no mirandanizing.

  140. 140.

    smintheus

    April 19, 2013 at 9:58 pm

    @Another Halocene Human: And yet long before I was 12 I knew better than to commit mass murder.

  141. 141.

    Calouste

    April 19, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    @hildebrand:

    Ortiz is the prosecutor who offered a plea deal to a burglar caught red-handed, who then took his own life. A lot of people, without much reason, blame Ortiz for the burglar’s psychological problems that led to his suicide.

  142. 142.

    Suffern ACE

    April 19, 2013 at 10:00 pm

    @Mnemosyne:it is too easy to blame the older brother because it is a great novel. It also is like Columbine where you have one really kind of nice, almost normal boy involved with a complete psychopath. We are going to find out some things about this kid that will challenge that narrative.

  143. 143.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    @Violet:

    Bitcoins? Get designated “too Big to fail” w/ credit line from The Fed? Robbing 7/11s? Lots of options.

  144. 144.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Not too impressed with her performance just now. Publicity hound at the very least.

    Laughing so hard at Watertown PD chief’s tan!

  145. 145.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    I guess I’m an idiot cuz I’ve got no idea what we’ll find out..

  146. 146.

    grandpa john

    April 19, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    @James Hare: Ms Lindsey is just rousting out the base here in SC because a second primary opponent announced this week.
    This doesn,t help him by splitting the vote because in SC you have to win the primary with a majority vote. so this could mean a runoff.

  147. 147.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    @Suffern ACE: They probably both had that occipital lobe thing. Robbin’ mama probably does too. But I would almost lay money at this point on big brother having had a brain injury. He’s dead and I don’t know if they were looking for that at autopsy. FBI’s involved, so hopefully, yes.

  148. 148.

    Jay C

    April 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    PS: Having watched the Dzhokhar Tsarnaev manhunt all afternoon and evening (not that I had much choice off the major nets) I’ll second the nomination of Scott Pelley and CBS for the “best” coverage of the affair. Not that that was a particularly high bar to hurdle: after hour after hour of endless shots of cops standing around idling in little groups on Watertown streetcorners: punctuated by some of most banal commentary I’ve ever heard in decades of TV-watching, we were almost ready to chuck it in and retreat to the TiVo. But not quite: we were able to (finally) catch the denouement live.

    Weirdest moment for us: ABC had ex-Bush Admin sec honcho Richard Clarke as a commentator, and Diane Sawyer kept referring to him as “Dick”. And I kept thinking only of THIS “Dick Clark”…

  149. 149.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    @smintheus: I did not make any statements about knowing right from wrong or about the appropriateness of incarceration. Please don’t read that into what I said.

    There are billions of people on this earth who wouldn’t commit a mass murder under any circumstances.

  150. 150.

    James Hare

    April 19, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    @grandpa john: I’ve got family in South Carolina and he’s making the whole state look worse than it already does. Obviously oaths don’t mean shit to politicians in South Carolina be they wedding oaths or solemn oaths to protect the Constitution.

  151. 151.

    Gian

    April 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Why the Miranda obsession? If they have enough evidence to be willing to not use his statements in the case against him in court does it actually matter?
    I mean if they don’t need the statements to convict…
    One of the networks is reporting no Miranda warnings and intent to rely on “public safety” exception.
    Is this must some right wing wankers hoping to do away with Miranda all together?

  152. 152.

    Bruce S

    April 19, 2013 at 10:11 pm

    @James Hare:

    Not to put too fine a point on this but over the past dozen years Graham, McCain, Cheney, Bush, Rice et al have done more damage to our country than bin Laden – including loss of life.

  153. 153.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    @Violet: On credit, bad credit credit, Jennifer furniture and those horrid bank cards and buy here pay here cars, just like every other “Im18nyaanyaa” does.

    Parents, make sure you talk to your kids about safe sex and safe credit. Or they might be like my former coworker with big debts and two kids at 23, wistful about what could have been.

  154. 154.

    Tone in DC

    April 19, 2013 at 10:13 pm

    @JPL:

    He haz wheelchair?

  155. 155.

    lojasmo

    April 19, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    Time to give India some “shock and awe” and start a ten year invasion.

    FUCK YEAH

  156. 156.

    Suffern ACE

    April 19, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    @Gian: what the right wing things is that once you read a Miranda statement, you’re giving up the option to torture and start the punishment immediately. They used to hate it because they thought it allowed all the thugs to get off on a technicality hence the need for Dirty Harry cops. But now, they just want a torture chamber for anyone who a bureaucrat declares to be a terrorist.

  157. 157.

    Mandalay

    April 19, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    @Soonergrunt:

    That shit is a LOT harder than people think it is, even when the public is ostensibly on your side.

    Well if you think that shit is hard, try being on the lam without food or shelter in a city where your face is constantly on all news channels on national TV, and the entire nation is definitely not on your side.

    I don’t think any of us here are qualified to render any objective verdict on the performance of law enforcement at this stage. It was less than perfect, but they got their men, and resolved the issue very quickly. That’s about all we really know for sure at the moment.

  158. 158.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    You know it strikes me that these kids were so fucking dumb, getting caught because they did a carjacking and then killed a cop. Didn’t they ever play GTAIII? That shit’s guaranteed helicopters overhead.

    #stupidcriminals

  159. 159.

    johnny aquitard

    April 19, 2013 at 10:24 pm

    @Has Lop: Top notch police work is the relationship they have with the people they serve, such that when that lady who sees that blood trail, and because of the lockdown knows its damn important, actually calls the police because she is suspicious, and she trusts her police force to respond. There were a hundred ways that citizen could have responded to that, including just going back inside and closing her door.

    That, dumbass, is what top notch police work looks like. It’s a relationship between the police and the people they serve that makes the BPD way more effective than just a few thousand isolated armed men searching for bad guys could ever be. It’s a potent force multiplier.

  160. 160.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    @Calouste: Ortiz is a glory hound who’s fcked up what should have been easy cases in her search for the spotlight, long before Aaron Schwartz came to Cambridge. She’s Bernie Kerik in a skirt, hoping for a promotion to Rudy Guiliani.

  161. 161.

    Anne Laurie

    April 19, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    @Another Halocene Human:

    But I would almost lay money at this point on big brother having had a brain injury.

    Golden Glove boxer, so the possiblity certain exists.

  162. 162.

    grandpa john

    April 19, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    @Bruce S: Sad, but true. somewhere in the future, historians will determine that the SCOTUS and media aided theft of the 2000 presidential election was the beginning of our final descent into third world status and the death of democracy as our founding fathers framed it.

  163. 163.

    Mnemosyne

    April 19, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    @Suffern ACE:

    Oh, I’m sure we are. I was just explaining why I had some hope the kid could be taken alive. I could end up being 100 percent wrong about the why.

    Though if anybody had “Chechen immigrants who came here as kids” in the betting pool, my hat is off to them. That was one hell of a twist.

  164. 164.

    the Conster

    April 19, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    @Gus:

    Compared to Ed Davis who was standing behind him – Ed Davis is at least 6’6″, maybe more, and weighs probably 380. Deval is around 5’8″ which really isn’t that short.

  165. 165.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    @Violet: Who called him a minor?

  166. 166.

    johnny aquitard

    April 19, 2013 at 10:35 pm

    @Bruce S: I know it’s snark but…This.

  167. 167.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    @fuckwit: Cool story, bro.

  168. 168.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    @scav: The Onion was on fire today.

  169. 169.

    Another Halocene Human

    April 19, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    @Tone in DC: To be fair, Checkers does stock weapons of intestinal destruction.

  170. 170.

    AnotherBruce

    April 19, 2013 at 11:32 pm

    Ok, it’s days like this that bring out my inner patriot, and by that I don’t mean my Bill Belichick patriot.

    Don’t fuck with Boston.

  171. 171.

    Ruckus

    April 20, 2013 at 12:00 am

    @Soonergrunt:
    Not incompetent enough.
    They probably would have invaded Chile.

  172. 172.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 20, 2013 at 1:14 am

    @patroclus:

    But more importantly, as others have said, we can show the rest of the world how actual due process works with no torture and no “enhanced interrogation” mand none of that other crap that the Bush administration shoved down our throats.

    Do you think that’s actually going to happen?

  173. 173.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 20, 2013 at 1:23 am

    @Unsympathetic: There was a story developing for the past day or two that the Saudi guy who got tackled at the bombing scene was the real bomber, which you could tell because his last name was an al-Qaeda last name, and he got deported to hush it up for nefarious mystery Obama reasons.

    Now that the actual bombers have been revealed to be Muslim, they don’t need that one any more, and are instead concentrating on how the media are distracting us from the jihad by not calling them Muslims often enough.

  174. 174.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 20, 2013 at 2:18 am

    Do you think that’s actually going to happen?

    Never mind; I see this is being discussed in the next thread up.

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