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Friday Morning Open Thread: Good Enough, Bro

by Anne Laurie|  September 6, 20134:57 am| 70 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, World's Best Healthcare (If You Can Afford It)

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basic obamacare
(Scott Meyer’s website)
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Heh, indeed.

Apart from explaining why Obamacare is indeed a Good Thing, what’s on the agenda today?

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  1. 1.

    Debbie(aussie)

    September 6, 2013 at 5:04 am

    At 4:20pm Brisbane time hubby and I fly to Townsville to spend 10 days with our daughter. I miss her very much. Get to meet the new boyfriend, he is in the Army, bit sad this pacifist I’ll cope tho

  2. 2.

    Kay

    September 6, 2013 at 5:20 am

    One good reason to have health insurance is because ordinary health emergencies cost so much. I don’t think it’s catastrophic care that puts otherwise healthy people into a cycle of debt and garnishment, it’s smaller things that add up, or that’s what we see over and over again, anyway.
    It’s the series of 1,000- 3,000 dollar incidents that drag people down, because they can’t get caught up. Then the court process starts, where they’re responding to judgments and facing wage garnishment which means they can’t pay the obligations they had prior to the health care bill(s) and it’s just a spiral down.
    If you’re 25 and your entire income is dedicated to fixed expenses or existing debt every month, you don’t need a catastrophic health care situation to get buried. You just need a couple of incidents of lesser severity over the course of a couple of years.

  3. 3.

    raven

    September 6, 2013 at 5:57 am

    @Debbie(aussie): I have run across the Adelaide Archivist on flickr and have really enjoyed her photos. She has a great collection of WWII shots and a ton from Anzac Day. I was also pleasantly surprised to see a set of pictures from their Pride Parade!

  4. 4.

    bin Lurkin'

    September 6, 2013 at 6:17 am

    @Kay:

    I’m old enough for SS but not yet for Medicare and have been without health insurance (and a job) now for going on five years. I’ll just point out that the high deductible “bronze plans” that a lot of people are going to have under the PPACA will do nothing to financially help those who have the everyday health emergencies.

    If you are twenty five and your entire income is dedicated to fixed expenses then you don’t have the money for comprehensive insurance in the first place, you will be on a high deductible “bronze plan” which means those $2,500 procedures are going to come straight out of your pocket.

  5. 5.

    raven

    September 6, 2013 at 6:19 am

    I’m too young for medicare and too old for wonen to care!

  6. 6.

    Botsplainer

    September 6, 2013 at 6:22 am

    @Debbie(aussie):

    At 4:20pm Brisbane time hubby and I fly to Townsville to spend 10 days with our daughter. I miss her very much. Get to meet the new boyfriend, he is in the Army, bit sad this pacifist I’ll cope tho

    Miss my wife a lot – she’s down in Tasmania now, and doesn’t get back until the 10th. Been gone since August 27th, was in Sydney several days.

  7. 7.

    TheMightyTrowel

    September 6, 2013 at 6:31 am

    @Debbie(aussie): Have a blast way up north! It’s just turning into spring down here in the ACT – all the trees are suddenly blooming. Fri is nearly over here, but I’m spending all sat cleaning and cooking because we’re throwing a party to celebrate Mr. Trowel’s PhD.

  8. 8.

    geg6

    September 6, 2013 at 6:31 am

    Read our new FPer’s post and, while most of it was incoherent gibberish to me, what stands out to me is the assumption that your average person can make rational medical decisions. Hell, your average person can’t make rational decisions about buying a tv, a car or a house, items which they would have at least some small amount of knowledge on which to base their decisions. The same goes in my field, higher ed, where people make emotional decisions even though we provide pretty transparent costs (at least, the ethical among us do). How are we supposed to make decisions about when an x-ray is sufficient or an MRI is required? And there is not even a way to find out the cost of an MRI at different hospitals so as to make price comparisons. It’s absurd.

    Anyway, another four day week over and next week starts with my favorite work day of the year, the annual alumni golf outing to raise money for scholarships. I get to sit in a golf cart watching a hole for holes in one, enjoying the sun, the lovely golf course and trading jokes with our donors all day and getting paid for it. No students and no parents, just a fun relaxed day. A good way to start the week.

  9. 9.

    lojasmo

    September 6, 2013 at 6:36 am

    Awakened by a shattering picture frame to find that a bat knocked it off the wall. There is a bat in my house. Pulled off a window screen upstairs in the hopes that it will fly out, and that three more bats will not fly in.

    No, I am not getting a rabies series.

  10. 10.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    September 6, 2013 at 6:38 am

    @geg6: Yup, health care is not and can not be a functional market.

  11. 11.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    September 6, 2013 at 6:43 am

    @lojasmo: When we had bats in our attic vent (hadn’t gotten through the screening into the attic itself, thank the FSM), the wildlife specialist we called hung a screen over the vent that was much longer than the vent’s opening. The bats could figure out how to crawl out the opening at the bottom, but not how to get back in. We had at least three dozen bats come out at dusk.

    I live in mosquito county, so we like having the bats around, just not in the house. So we had him hang a bat house next to the vent. Little fuckers moved into my neighbor’s attic instead. Such is life.

  12. 12.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    September 6, 2013 at 6:54 am

    Best article I could find about the new AFP ad.

  13. 13.

    Botsplainer

    September 6, 2013 at 7:01 am

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    They never like bat houses. I don’t know why anybody bothers.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    September 6, 2013 at 7:05 am

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    Strange cartoon – one of those “what were they thinking?” types – from a studio not usually thought of for the off kilter in animation:

             Bats In The Belfry

  15. 15.

    Randy P

    September 6, 2013 at 7:09 am

    Any wisteria experts here? I’ve been wanting some for years, finally ordered 3 mail order this summer. Two of them are thriving, sent out new shoots that are now happily climbing the trellises. 3rd one is green, but no new climbers. It was kind of yellow and sickly from day 1, but it got over that.

    Should I worry about the lack of new growth? The place where I bought them just said if kept them watered and they survived the summer (I was worried about starting in June), they’d be fine.

  16. 16.

    Debbie(aussie)

    September 6, 2013 at 7:14 am

    @Botsplainer: sorry you are missing her and such a long way away.

  17. 17.

    Debbie(aussie)

    September 6, 2013 at 7:18 am

    @TheMightyTrowel</a Congrats to Mr Trowel, may it lead to wonderful things for you both,

  18. 18.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 6, 2013 at 7:24 am

    Today we rehearse for my brother’s wedding tomorrow. Really looking forward to the ceremony and seeing family.
    I finished up a DIY electronics project for magazine publication this week. It all went well. This being the fourth one I’m kinda getting the hang of it. I’m anxious to see how it looks after professional editing. I have no idea if I’ll ever do another of these. Work travel schedule (5-6 days/week) keeps me away from my shop so I don’t have a lot of tinkering time.
    Weather up here in MI has been super nice for my week off work.
    Worst part of the week has been seeing John McCain every time I turn around beating the drum for more and bigger wars. How did that man come to have so much influence and exposure?

  19. 19.

    Debbie(aussie)

    September 6, 2013 at 7:25 am

    @Debbie(aussie): sorry I stuffed that up.

  20. 20.

    HeartlandLiberal

    September 6, 2013 at 7:28 am

    If there is any one thing this year in politics that is the final, nail in the coffin evidence of the batsh*t level of crazy and delusion and Obama Derangement Syndrome to which the right wing and GOP have stooped, it is their campaign to disrupt the implementation of the AHA (Obamacare).

    Here we have the GOP telling people they should NOT BUY INSURANCE. That is what it boils down to.

    Here we have the GOP trying to invoke ghosts of the past by telling people to burn their Obamacare cards, CARD WHICH DO NOT EXIST.

    Here we have the GOP committees in Congress issuing administrative commands designed to disrupt and block the ability of the ‘Navigators’ provided for in the act, jobs created to help advise the American people on how to BUY HEALTH INSURANCE.

    The level of stupidity and ignorance of the American people continues to grow, almost exponentially, every day.

    John once declared a couple years ago that PEAK WINGNUT had been achieved.

    Boy, was he ever wrong on that one.

  21. 21.

    Botsplainer

    September 6, 2013 at 7:35 am

    @Debbie(aussie):

    Thanks. This is her second long trip your way since May, and in between, she had 3 weeks in Europe with our youngest and another 8 days in Vegas at a trade show.

    I’m a little frayed around the edges, as that has stuck me at home rolling from moment to moment with a troubled middle child.

  22. 22.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 6, 2013 at 7:36 am

    @HeartlandLiberal:

    They’re losing and they know it. The GOP will manage to apply a taint of S0chulizm to Obamacare but once people start to see the benefits it’ll be locked in for good. The program will never be without complaints and problems, like the patched-together compromise solution that it is but it’ll be permanent and the GOP will have lost another round in their battle to throw us all into the teeth of the free market for a profit.

  23. 23.

    TheMightyTrowel

    September 6, 2013 at 7:37 am

    @Debbie(aussie): Eh. in the true spirit of a PhD, the tiny error becomes the point in the eyes of the beholder…. Mostly I’m just happy he’s done so he can get his head around looking for a job. being sole breadwinner really kind of sucks.

  24. 24.

    Johannes

    September 6, 2013 at 7:37 am

    I’m backing a Kickstarter project, my old friend Anthony Clark’s The Last Campaign, an analysis of how Presidential Libraries are being used by ex-presidents,their families and supporters to shape their legacies while the actual data gets buried for decades. As Anthony was a staff member of the House Committee overseeing Presidential Libraries, and has been researching this stuff for a decade, just about, there’s a ton of politics and intrigue he’s excavating.

  25. 25.

    Randy P

    September 6, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Anybody noticing encouraging signs of retail growth in their area? I live in southeastern PA, in the suburbs of Philly, and in the last few weeks three completely different empty storefronts in my neighborhood got new signs in the window about businesses opening up in those spaces.

    I’m beginning to wonder if something just suddenly changed in the business climate, like the banks finally opening up on business loans or something.

    One is the Borders, empty since that chain went bankrupt (mid-2011 according to a Google search).
    One is the Blockbuster, similar story. 2012? Don’t remember.
    The third is the Wa-wa. They’re a very successful regional chain of convenience stores, and closed their store to build a bigger one with gas pumps next door. The old one has been sitting empty since, I think also sometime in 2012.

    And now, all at the same time, they all have buyers.

  26. 26.

    Randy P

    September 6, 2013 at 7:52 am

    @Botsplainer: That sucks. We’ve been through several periods where my wife and I lived in different cities, but usually it was close enough that I could get there midweek and so we could manage to at least lay eyes on each other nearly every day.

  27. 27.

    Kay

    September 6, 2013 at 7:54 am

    @bin Lurkin’:

    Well, it depends. I myself would not buy a bronze plan (although if you’re under 30 you can go even cheaper, with a catastrophic plan). The bronze plan is designed to pay 60% of costs, total.

    The silver plan is designed to pay 70% of costs. The plans differ, so you can take that 30% several ways, in a (capped) total deductible or in a co-pay with a low deductible. If I were 25 I would do silver with a co-pay, low deductible.

    I think the way to look at this is they sought to put people who have employer-provided insurance and people who buy on the exchange on about the same footing. They pegged that by looking at thousands of employer plans. It’s important that the exchange not be a better deal than employer-provided plans, because that would put those who have health insurance at a disadvantage and MOST people have health insurance, and obviously they pay for it. It’s both part of their pay package and they also pay out of pocket (paycheck deduction).

    I just think it’s wrong to look at this as “people who have employer provided plans pay nothing and people who have to buy on the exchange pay X”. Both groups are paying for insurance. One is paying thru their employer and the other is not, but they’re both paying. My two older grown children both have employer-provided health insurance. They’re both paying for health insurance. It’s not a gift.

    They couldn’t have a situation where one 25 year old who makes 30,000 a year and has employer-provided insurance was paying X and the other who doesn’t and buys on the exchange was paying an amount less than X. People wouldn’t think that was fair, and they would be right.

  28. 28.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 6, 2013 at 7:56 am

    @Randy P: That’s good to hear. In my neck of the woods, there’s a lot of business development and new housing as well. We’ll have a CarMax here soon, which will be great.

  29. 29.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 6, 2013 at 8:00 am

    @Johannes: Fascinating project. When I travel, if I find myself in the vicinity of Presidential libraries I generally try to visit them (though I don’t go out of my way or plan itineraries around them). Living in Atlanta, I know The Carter Center pretty well. It’s officially part of Emory University and is a separate entity from the Carter Presidential Library and Museum (operated by the National Archives) although they share a campus. As your friend notes, the Museum underwent a major renovation a few years ago and is one of the sites he plans to visit. I liked his presentation and will probably toss a little money his way. Thanks for the info and link.

  30. 30.

    raven

    September 6, 2013 at 8:01 am

    @Randy P: We have a lousy situation in Athens. There is a fairly strong progressive community here and the government is seen as “anti-business”. The neighboring suburban (white) county has used this to their advantage to lure businesses to their complex that sits right on the county line. The recent expansion has brought Dick’s, PetsMart and Marshall’s while the Gap and Banana Republic have left the mall. The writing is on the wall that the mall is going to go belly up but, then again, they decimated downtown 30+ years ago when the department stores pulled up stakes and moved out there. The real bitch as that the university is the major employer in the area and many of their residents take advantage of city services and then teabag the shit out of us.

  31. 31.

    Kay

    September 6, 2013 at 8:05 am

    @bin Lurkin’:

    You can look at it as two 25 year olds, one is insured thru her employer and the other is not. The federal government is picking up the employer share of the cost for the uninsured 25 year old.

    Hopefully, this will matter when one takes a job, right, because now there’s a number on it. If the 25 yr old who has to buy on the exchange knows what that employer share is worth (because she and the feds are paying it) she can roll that into her decision on what she’s getting paid as compared to a 25 yr old who has a like income but employer provided insurance. 30k cash no insurance is less than 30k PLUS employer provided insurance, but it’s all “pay”. Now there’s a ballpark number on that difference.

  32. 32.

    Schlemizel

    September 6, 2013 at 8:06 am

    @Randy P:

    We planted two wisteria about 5 years ago, the type that is supposed to thrive here on the frozen tundra. Every year they grow nice and green and healthy. But there has never been a single flower bud of any kind on them in 5 years. The last couple I have been begging to be allowed to rip them out & getting told “lets give them one more year” But I was the one that wanted them in the first place & I am tired of waiting for them.

  33. 33.

    Ferdzy

    September 6, 2013 at 8:11 am

    @Randy P:

    Not a wisteria expert as such, but there is a little saying about perennial plants: “First year they sleep, second year they creep, third year they leap.”

    If your plant looks green and healthy I would not worry about it. Actually, I know enough about wisteria to say that in a couple of years you will be cursing the things, because they are so rampant. I had to take mine down because it kept wanting to lift the roof off of the garage.

  34. 34.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 6, 2013 at 8:11 am

    @Schlemizel:

    It can take years for Wisteria to bloom but I think it’s worth it. There was a colossal, ancient one on the lot next to ours that sent vines for tens of yards in every direction. We knew the plant would be cut down when the lot was cleared for building so I rooted two of its vines on our side of the lot line (dug holes and buried the ends) and trained the sprouts up tomato cages. They’re building a house on the lot now and the original wisteria is gone but we have two offspring of our own that are growing like mad.

  35. 35.

    raven

    September 6, 2013 at 8:11 am

    @Randy P: The shit will eat your house, nape it now. My wife won’t listen to me, maybe you will!

  36. 36.

    Randy P

    September 6, 2013 at 8:17 am

    @Schlemizel: I have heard it takes them years to flower and I’m prepared for that to happen. I’ve heard numbers of 7-10 years, but I think at least the high end of that range is if you start from seeds.

    But I’ve also read articles telling you how to encourage them to flower. As I recall, it had to do with pruning not only the plant but the roots. Somebody once told me that flowers are a plant’s reaction to stress (I guess it’s trying to reproduce quick when the environment gets bad).

    I would look around for articles on getting wisteria to flower. They’re out there.

  37. 37.

    RobertDSC-PowerMac G5 Dual

    September 6, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Memo to Mr. Krugman: when you have a set of domestic terrorists in the GOP that are fully intent on destroying the country in order to deny the President anything and everything, including every plan the President has offered to boost the economy, then please tell us how you would work around that in a legal fashion.

    Stop the complaining and focus on the problem: the GOP. Not the President.

  38. 38.

    PurpleGirl

    September 6, 2013 at 8:28 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Don’t you know he was a prisoner of war…..

    (the temptation was too great)

  39. 39.

    MomSense

    September 6, 2013 at 8:29 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    I said on the first anniversary of the PPACA that I looked forward to the day 30 years from now when protesters shouted “keep your government hands off my ObamaCare”.

    If you want a bizarre trip down memory lane, see if you can find a recording of Ronald Reagan’s dire warnings about how Medicare would lead to communism and be the end of freedom as we know it.

  40. 40.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 6, 2013 at 8:30 am

    @HeartlandLiberal: Don’t forget the wingnuts are attacking McConnell who lead the charge against Obama care for not being crazy enough.

  41. 41.

    gelfling545

    September 6, 2013 at 8:31 am

    A morning treat for the cat devotee.
    http://catleidoscope.sergethew.com/

  42. 42.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 6, 2013 at 8:38 am

    So my agenda of the day is job search – lost my job as an electronic technician at the defense contractor thanks to the Sequester. (the defense industry gone to hell ever since the GOP took the house and messed up the budgets) Needless to say I was scared to death with off shoring and the sluggish recovery but its been a pleasant surprise. The electronic hardware biz managed to drive off so many people with offshoring they are now calling anyone with over five years experience “senior” – last time I looked it was ten to fifteen years for that (I have 21 years experience)

    I’ve applied for fifteen jobs so far, including at Tesla Motors (which would cool), a Tsunami buoy
    monitor manufacture and gotten two interviews so far, which is incredible in today’s economy, still I worry.

  43. 43.

    PurpleGirl

    September 6, 2013 at 8:40 am

    @gelfling545: That is great. (I’m a cat AND a kaleidoscope fan.)

  44. 44.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 6, 2013 at 8:40 am

    @Randy P:
    MI is the home of Borders and my sister worked for the company in Ann Arbor at one time.
    Borders store #2 was near our house and a friend worked there. After the bankruptcy it sat empty until it was occupied by a Books-A-Million. A pale shadow of a real book store, but better than nothing and they seem to be doing good business.

  45. 45.

    srv

    September 6, 2013 at 8:43 am

    Courageous Ed Markey votes present on Bomb Syria resolution.

  46. 46.

    Kay

    September 6, 2013 at 8:55 am

    @MomSense:

    About a year ago I looked up what conservative think tanks said about the FMLA.
    It was going to be very, very, very bad.

  47. 47.

    rikyrah

    September 6, 2013 at 9:02 am

    I’ll ask again…

    how do you think the recovery would be going if one political party hadn’t decided to commit ECONOMIC TREASON against this country beginning January 20, 2009?

    …………………….

    U.S. economy created 169k jobs in August, jobless rate dips
    By Steve Benen
    Fri Sep 6, 2013 8:47 AM EDT

    The jobs reports are starting to get a little predictable, by virtue of the fact that over the last several months, they’re effectively the same.

    The new report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics shows the U.S. economy added 169,000 jobs in August, which is roughly in line with expectations. After years of public-sector layoffs serving as a drag on the overall economy, we’re starting to see a slight turnaround — the private sector added 152,000 jobs last month, while the public sector added 17,000 jobs. That may seem like a fairly modest number, but it’s the most in recent memory.

    The overall unemployment rate dropped to 7.3%, which is the lowest it’s been in nearly five years, but it’s not evidence of good news — it ticked down largely because of people leaving the workforce.

    Indeed, while the 169,000 jobs added in August isn’t an awful preliminary report, on the whole, this morning’s figures are quite discouraging. The key is the revisions — June totals were revised down from 188,000 to 172,000, while July’s totals were revised down from 162,000 to 104,000. Combined, that’s a whopping 74,000 jobs we thought were created, but weren’t.

    This should, in theory, send some key signals to policymakers in Washington. The Federal Reserve really shouldn’t be too eager to scale back its intervention, and Congress would ideally be looking for ways to give the job market a boost in order to strengthen a larger economic recovery. The latter appears highly unlikely — Republican lawmakers continue to back job-killing sequestration budget cuts and are now threatening another debt-ceiling crisis that would destroy the job market (again).

    http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/09/06/20356891-us-economy-created-169k-jobs-in-august-jobless-rate-dips?lite

  48. 48.

    rikyrah

    September 6, 2013 at 9:05 am

    Bill de Blasio’s Campaign for the 99 Percent Enjoys Broad Support in NYC Race

    By: Keith Brekhus
    Sep. 5th, 2013

    When New York City Public Advocate Bill de Blasio began his mayoral campaign he was a dark horse candidate who was given little chance of winning. In a field that included Christine Quinn, Bill Thompson and Anthony Weiner, Mr. de Blasio was little more than a foot note. In June, he was running in a distant fourth place, polling just 10 percent of the vote to 25 percent for Weiner, 20 percent for Quinn and 13 percent for Thompson. However, by expressing concern about the racially discriminatory way in which the “stop and frisk” policy is being used, and by running an unabashed economically progressive campaign, voicing the concerns of the 99 percent, de Blasio has surged to a commanding lead in the mayoral race.

    A Quinnipiac poll released on September 3rd, finds de Blasio polling 43 percent to 20 percent for Thompson, 18 percent for Quinn and 7 percent for Weiner. His polling numbers are particularly significant because if de Blasio clears 40 percent on Tuesday night’s primary, he will avoid a runoff election and become the Democratic nominee for mayor in New York City. The poll also reveals that de Blasio is receiving especially strong support from black voters (47 percent) and women voters (44 percent), despite facing an African-American (Thompson) and female (Quinn) candidate in the primary. The race is not being defined by identity politics as much as it is by ideas, and de Blasio is running a campaign that is populist, progressive and speaks to the concern of ordinary workers and residents of New York City.

    In some respects, de Blasio is the quintessential anti-Bloomberg. Not a Manhattan billionaire, but a Brooklyn-based public advocate, de Blasio proposes a tax increase on the wealthy to better fund New York City schools. He is the only major candidate in the race whose children attend New York City public schools. Furthermore, he has been harshly critical of the New York Police Department’s racially discriminatory “stop and frisk” policy as it has operated under Bloomberg’s leadership. In so doing, de Blasio has aligned himself with the residents who have either been harassed or forgotten in Bloomberg’s version of Gotham City.

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/09/05/bill-de-blasios-campaign-99-percent-enjoys-broad-support-nyc-race.html

  49. 49.

    lojasmo

    September 6, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Driving the lady to MSP, as she is a delegate to the national AFL-CIO convention. She gets to see E. Warren, and the Kenyan Socialist himself.

    She’ll be gone for a week. The boy and I are going to starve.

  50. 50.

    MomSense

    September 6, 2013 at 9:11 am

    @Kay:

    When their dire predictions never come true, they are just not held accountable for being ridiculous.

    Reagan should have been laughed off the national stage after his Medicare sky is falling routine.

    @rikyrah:

    It is economic treason! The only reason anyone gives these traitorous bastards the time of day is because our corrupt media enable them. And meanwhile on the left we are fighting over the latest story on what the NSA could conceivably do to read our emails and view our pr0n. It is beyond ridiculous the way the left have abandoned fighting for jobs and benefits and some economic fairness given the way the right is attacking the poor, middle class, labor–really everyone who is not one of them.

  51. 51.

    MomSense

    September 6, 2013 at 9:20 am

    @Kay:

    FYE: Reagan’s recording from the 1961 “Operation Coffee Cup Campaign against Socialized Medicine”

    Well I see their beverage of freedom has changed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    September 6, 2013 at 9:21 am

    @lojasmo

    So help me, was brought up short reading that and it took a good 10 seconds to realize your weren’t referring to Earl Warren.

    Granted that seeing the late Chief Justice there would be somewhat creepy, it still required several complete revolutions of the mental Rolodex to figure out the person meant.

    /old folks’ problems

  53. 53.

    tybee

    September 6, 2013 at 9:23 am

    @Randy P:

    that stuff is worse than kudzu. kill it now before it strangles you in your sleep.

  54. 54.

    Kay

    September 6, 2013 at 9:23 am

    @MomSense:

    I was reading this bizarre biography the other day and the subject of the book was the grown daughter of a doctor. The author just threw in that her father had quit medicine when Medicare and Medicaid came in, because it was “the end of his profession.”

    Tea Partiers have been with us a long time :)

    You wonder what he did for work after that.

  55. 55.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 6, 2013 at 9:27 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Back before it became a behemoth chain — when it was just the one store — I used to make regular treks to Ann Arbor from Flint (and later from Battle Creek) for the sole purpose of hanging out/shopping at Borders. The original store in A-squared was, at the time anyhow, one of the best bookstores anywhere, ever.

  56. 56.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 6, 2013 at 9:30 am

    @NotMax: Ha ha ha, I had the identical reaction to seeing “E. Warren.”

  57. 57.

    ericblair

    September 6, 2013 at 9:36 am

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    The electronic hardware biz managed to drive off so many people with offshoring they are now calling anyone with over five years experience “senior” – last time I looked it was ten to fifteen years for that (I have 21 years experience)

    Best of luck to you; sounds like things are moving.

    This is one reason I want to punch people in suits. A bunch of executives or government leaders completely shut down an industry for two, three, or five years, then decide to fund it again, and are absolutely shocked that all those people you told to fuck off years ago aren’t available to start everything right up. What did they expect, everybody got stuffed into a freezer until the money people decided to get their thumbs out of their asses? You kill something and it dies: people get other jobs (or not), people retire, the accumulated knowledge decays and scatters and you’re back to square one.

  58. 58.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    September 6, 2013 at 9:41 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Bonus: Zingerman’s was still Zingerman’s back then. Border’s was an awesome book store. I read a lot more these days because I have a lot of travel time on my hands. I tend to shop at B&N stores in cities I’m visiting when possible. I’ve given up on airport book stores. They have absolutely nothing for me.
    I’m not much for the crime thriller genre but picked up a Donald E Westlake paperback to see what that’s all about. I recall seeing him praised hereabouts at one time.

  59. 59.

    gogol's wife

    September 6, 2013 at 9:45 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    But do you remember the bumper sticker “Impeach Earl Warren”?

  60. 60.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    September 6, 2013 at 9:55 am

    This cartoon will be obsolete thanks to Obamacare. That’s the biggest improvement it makes for everyone who has an individual insurance plan, or wants to buy one but doesn’t because it’s a gamble. Once Obamacare kicks in, they can’t rescind your policy for some bullshit reason anymore. You’ll actually get what you pay for.

    @SiubhanDuinne: That old Borders was a fantastic bookstore. I remember going there with my parents fairly regularly (I grew up in Grand Rapids, MI – my parents lived in A2 while my dad was in grad school at U of M) in the mid-late 1980s. Also, School Kids Records was awesome, though GR had it’s own great record store (The Vinyl Solution, now Vertigo Music) and a not bad bookstore (Schuler Books) which is still around. Sometimes it pays to stay small.

  61. 61.

    divF

    September 6, 2013 at 9:56 am

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Recently I started going to Ann Arbor on business, and discovered the pleasures of Zingerman’s. Then Dr. Ms. divF discovered the film, “The Five-Year Engagement”, in which Zingerman’s plays a prominent role.

    Unfortunately, Medicare is killing off geriatrics, according to the Dr. Ms.. They have taken to reimbursing visits based on the length of time it takes to treat an overall healthy adult with an acute problem. Fifteen minutes is not long enough to assess and treat a frail elderly patient with multiple interacting chronic medical problems, who may also have cognitive problems and (in the urban community clinic where she works) does not speak English.

  62. 62.

    Yatsuno

    September 6, 2013 at 10:33 am

    @Debbie(aussie):

    hubby and I fly to Townsville

    (can’t believe I’m first to say this)

    Say hi to the Powerpuff girls for me!

  63. 63.

    Mino

    September 6, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Brown, Merkley and Warren are publicly announcing their “noes” on the Banking Committee. Summers will need one Republican to get him to the full Senate. Or more.

  64. 64.

    Johannes

    September 6, 2013 at 10:48 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: That’s great!! Delighted you liked it.

  65. 65.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 6, 2013 at 11:15 am

    @MomSense:

    The only reason anyone gives these traitorous bastards the time of day is because our corrupt media enable them.

    Which is why when The Revolution arrives, the media assholes are first up against the wall.

    Wipe them out. All of them.

  66. 66.

    Villago Delenda Est

    September 6, 2013 at 11:18 am

    @ericblair:

    This is what happens when you fully embrace the MBA mentality, which can’t see (or think) beyond the current fiscal quarter.

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    September 6, 2013 at 11:46 am

    @srv:

    “Present” has the same effect as “no.”

    Would you like fries and a shake with your nothingburger?

  68. 68.

    MomSense

    September 6, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    So I guess it won’t be televised after all.

  69. 69.

    Jebediah

    September 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    They’re losing and they know it. The GOP will manage to apply a taint of S0chulizm to Obamacare but once people start to see the benefits it’ll be locked in for good.

    I am convinced that when lots of people start seeing those benefits, it will reduce the effectiveness of always crying “Oh no sozhulisms!!!!”
    “Hmmm, so I now have insurance, which kept this illness from actually killing me. Maybe sozhulisms isn’t actually Satan’s flame-belching anus…”

  70. 70.

    JustRuss

    September 6, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    @lojasmo: Found a dead bat on the porch the other day. Sadly, not enough left of the brain for the lab to check for rabies, so it looks like the county will force us to quarantine the kittehs for 45 days. This will not be fun.

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