This is one of those songs that sounds better with a hundred piece string orchestra, but watching a concert video I could not stop seeing Ted Levine playing Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs. So you get the album version instead. The seventies were weird.
Then again, twerking. Chat about whatever.
***Update***
FYI, if you use Gmail then change your password.
catclub
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2014/09/no-crimes-thats-the-biggest-lie-of-the-new-century/
Riholtz followup to yesterdays on bankers crimes. Nothing new but rousing, nonetheless.
Suffern ACE
The Unionists are about to learn that “bad things will happen to you if you leave” isn’t very compelling reason to stay. I blame Obama.
different-church-lady
Anyone care to guess what time signature Kashmir is in?
(It’s a trick question.)
The Dangerman
Imagine my surprise in reading today’s LATimes and seeing this corner of the blogosphere (in particular, Richard Mayhew) getting some props:
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-to-obamacare-20140909-column.html#page=1
BTW, where does the name “Richard Mayhew” come from? I’d google but all I’m gonna get are BJ hits.
kindness
Our previous Zeppelin threads were curious affairs. Some good energy, some bad energy thrown about. Can’t really complain. It’s BJ after all. But you know where I don’t expect a bunch of Page/Zep hate but it comes every time they run a piece? Rolling Stone’s (the magazine, not the band) website.
How is it that people who’se main accomplishment in life appears to be typing ferociously on a keyboard expressing superiority over the likes of Jimmy Page and casting dire/ugly words about him I can not fathom. No, he isn’t a God & neither was Clapton or Hendrix (or Jerry Garcia) but I will occasionally still say they are. I don’t get the negativity. I don’t get the positioning oneself as being able to cast stones at someone who obviously has given the world more than they have. I just don’t get some people. Ego is a funny thing.
Thank you Jimmy. Thank you Robert. Thank you John PJ & thank you John B. Much joy through the years and more to come.
Suffern ACE
@different-church-lady: 3/4?
SatanicPanic
@different-church-lady: err, I’m bad at this stuff. It changes, 3/4 + 4/4?
c u n d gulag
Led Zep was too popular when I was in HS.
So, while I love them secretly, I never admitted it.
I love this song’s relentlessness.
I know you’re all think I’m fucking nuts, but this song reminds me of Ravel’s “Bolero” – you know, the song at the end of that great movie “10,” with Dudley Moore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-4J5j74VPw
Punchy
@different-church-lady: Eastern Daylight Savings?
The Thin Black Duke
15/16?
Suffern ACE
@SatanicPanic: It translates well into 2/2 if you try hard enough.
The Other Chuck
@SatanicPanic: It’s straight up 4/4, but all those triplets give it an odd meter that fits more with 3/4 or 6/8.
@kindness:
I’ll give RS one thing: neither Page nor Plant have lived up to their Led Zeppelin years, and they loved Zep so much that they blast away at what P&P are now. But it’s a tough act to follow.
different-church-lady
@kindness:
I could play “Stairway To Heaven” when I was 12. Jimmy Page didn’t actually write it until he was 22. I think that says quite a lot.
piratedan
I was gonna say that it’s set up to run on Dude time…. but from what I understand is that the bong is empty and someone needs to stock up on munchies….
Tim F.
@different-church-lady: I could play Für Elise at eight. What does that say about Beethoven?
Elizabelle
Cool, free alert for NoVirginians/DCists: 7:00 p tonight in Arlington, VA (actually more East Falls Church; not that far from the State Theatre):
Author Chris Guillebeau, inveterate (young) traveler and blogger (The Art of Nonconformity) speaking on “The Happiness of Pursuit.”
Gillebeau survived an interview with the Morning Joe crew earlier this week.
One More Page Books
2200 N Westmoreland Street #101 Arlington VA 22213
[email protected]
703.300.9746
I will be there.
Amir Khalid
If seeing Robert Plant with his shirt hanging open reminds you of Buffalo Bill, there’s always the version from the Celebration Day reunion concert. That’s Son of Bonzo at the drumkit, and Robert’s pipes have noticeably aged, but he’s buttoned up and the performance is still pretty damn good.
Laertes
I suppose it says that performing a masterpiece is a lot easier than writing one.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: I could play Vilvaldi violin concertos when I was 12, but that didn’t mean I was Yehudi Menuhin. Being able to play the notes and being able to play them well are two separate things.
SatanicPanic
@The Other Chuck: There you go. I can never figure this stuff out.
Amir Khalid
@different-church-lady:
Could you have written Stairway To Heaven at 12, or for that matter?
srv
Hand wave or twerk?
Amir Khalid
@different-church-lady:
Could you have written Stairway To Heaven at 12, or for that matter at 22?
Poopyman
@The Other Chuck: I’m getting 8/8 in the middle. Maybe I’d better re-meter.
Tim F.
@Amir Khalid: I don’t know if it is just the shirt. Aerosmith does that all the time and it doesn’t do anything for me. I really think the director might have used Plant in concert as a draft sketch of the character’s style and how he moves. Steve Tyler has an alpha bravo macho presence while Plant had an effeminate and slightly ethereal manner. If Levine did not use that as an inspiration then the coincidence is kind of spooky.
different-church-lady
@The Other Chuck: No more calls, please, we have a winner.
The strings/guitar opening melody create the effect of a strange time signature — the phrases are in groups of three beats, played as triplets that have a 6/8 feeling, and their climb takes a fractional number of measures (3 and a half) to resolve while Bonham just holds a dead straight 4/4 throughout. The individual phrases of the verse are grouped into sets of three 4/4 measures where we usually expect four, creating a “rushed” effect.
SatanicPanic
@Amir Khalid: Would you have wanted to?
(I’m kidding, I’m not much of a Led Zep fan, but for whatever reason I like that song. I read somewhere that Robert Plant hated it)
different-church-lady
@Amir Khalid: Not aware of all mockumentary traditions, are we?
KG
I’ve always liked Gallows Pole, myself.
Mike E
Kashmir has been Phillies 2nd baseman Chase Utley’s walk up music (after his name is announced for an at bat) for his whole career. Badass.
Amir Khalid
@different-church-lady:
I guess not.
kindness
I graduated HS in ’75. I suspect those of us who were coming of age during that era might feel differently about all the Rock Gods than say my kid does. Mind you we made sure she had the full classic rock education and she does have many of these on her iTunes library, but it’s different. She wasn’t a 15 you stoned out with blasting headphones on. Those memories (that I can still recall) shift what one may think about them now. Fondly in my case. My daughter? Probably not so much. It’s probably more like me and Elvis. Yea I get it that he was a game changer but he wasn’t my game changer.
Laertes
@SatanicPanic:
I hadn’t heard that Plant disliked Stairway, but I guess it often turns out that performers don’t especially like their most popular song. I recall hearing once that Art Garfunkel didn’t like Bridge over Troubled Water. I read not long ago that Toni Braxton doesn’t like Unbreak My Heart. Ian Anderson famously detests Living in the Past and I’ve heard that Radiohead resented the popularity of Creep.
I imagine in at least some of those cases it has a lot to do with the super-popular song having a style that’s not much like the rest of their oeuvre.
The Thin Black Duke
@kindness: Exactly. Folks younger than me don’t understand why I lose my shit when they try to explain to me why “Hendrix wasn’t that good”.
Patricia Kayden
@The Dangerman: Yes, nice call out to Mr. Mayhew.
Punchy
I know this is written in English, but as a non-musician, it may as well be Scottish.
I’m now going to impress my friends with a “Bonham’s dead straight 4/4 throughout” post-dinner comment.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Kevin Gilbert’s cover of Kashmir is the best version of the song ever done, better than Zeppelin’s.
Amir Khalid
@The Dangerman:
I did google the name Richard Mayhew, and I found
a famous American landscape painter;
a character played by James McAvoy in a BBC Radio 4 serial;
a rugby player in New Zealand;
and a link to LinkedIn profiles for 25 Richard Mayhews
but no likely sources for a nym.
Mike in dc
I was 3 when Jimi Hendrix died. I didn’t acquire an interest until I was 15, but when I did, it didn’t take long to realize Jimi was an authentic musical and creative genius. That, as much as the showmanship and guitar wizardry, is why newer generations are still discovering Hendrix anew all the time. It would not surprise me if his legacy ultimately outdoes even the Beatles.
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Just saw that Jeff “XLAVA” Hamilton (better known as “Douchecanoe”) has backed down and will not be displaying the stolen celebrity nude photos in in his “art” exhibit.
Douchecanoe-to-English translation: “I thought they would view women as nonhuman, the way I do!”
Trollhattan
@different-church-lady:
It IS a trick question: it’s timeless, of course.
catclub
@different-church-lady: I just downloaded all the old Schickele Mix torrents I could find – about 100 episodes. Soon I will be a genius ;)
Darryl R. Scott
@Mike in dc: I would highly recommend the CD Blues by Hendrix. He covers a number of legendary blues musicians and it’s superb.
gogol's wife
@The Dangerman:
That’s great. Richard Mayhew is one of the best things about this blog.
Trollhattan
Since all y’all are so music-smart, can somebody please tell me the time signature of this? Have been puzzling over it for years.I assume there’s a clue in the title.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WedRDYmtvX4
SatanicPanic
@kindness: There’s also the issue of who currently popular groups are citing as an influence. Stuff that was popular when I was in high school was based on 70s punk, so I never bothered to seek out any classic rock and when I heard it I couldn’t figure out what was so great about it. I mean, I’d heard Hendrix long before I’d heard Pearl Jam, but if it had been the other way around I might well have been like, “bleeeeech, this guy plays guitar like that guy from Pearl Jam, this sucks.”
gogol's wife
@The Other Chuck:
“It’s straight up 4/4, but all those triplets give it an odd meter that fits more with 3/4 or 6/8.”
I believe they call that hemiola when Brahms does it.
scav
@Amir Khalid: Your James McAvoy Richard Mayhew is from Neil Gsiman’s Neverwhere and anything wherein Peter Capaldi and then Benedict Cumbersnatch played The Angel Islington in different versions probably has high geek cred (if that’s what’s needed, often is).
Mike J
If you use gmail (or any google product), don’t just change your pwd. Turn on 2 step verification. When you sign in, google will text you a security code, which you then enter. Much, much, much more secure than a password.
Paul in KY
@kindness: Hammer of the Gods has some very unsavory (for even a 70s band) recollections in it. Also (and this is more me), Mr. Page & Mr. Grant never seemed to do anything about Mr. Bonham’s wildly excessive drinking. Jimmy was the leader of that band & should have been more pro-active about John’s deteriating physical/mental state.
Amir Khalid
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker:
Or maybe a lawyer took him aside and tactfully explained the legal potentialities.
Major Major Major Major
Two-Factor Authentication, folks.
It works.
Use it.
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/180744?hl=en
CONGRATULATIONS!
@The Other Chuck: Technical term for that is “compound time”
Jebediah, RBG
@The Thin Black Duke:
Are they serious, or just trying to be contrarian or annoying? I don’t get how that can be said seriously by someone who isn’t Gohmertish.
scav
@scav: Followup for geeks of the Neverwhere persuasion, Neverwhere director Dirk Maggs to bring Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett’s Good Omens to Radio 4 around xmas.
Southern Goth
@Suffern ACE:
I’m waiting for word from BiP before forming any opinions about Scottish
secessionindependence.Randy P
@c u n d gulag: And I remember a classical music DJ at the time saying, with barely concealed venom, that she would no longer accept requests to play “Bolero”. Having never seen “10” I had no idea why people would have been requesting this piece.
Trollhattan
@Darryl R. Scott:
His pre-Experience session work is far less remembered, working with the Isley Brothers, for example. What he accomplished in so few years afterwards (only three studio albums) is difficult to measure from such a distant viewpoint, today. Duane Allman comes to mind as well–so much great studio work at Muscle Shoals that, frankly, resonates in the pop music canon more than Hendrix does today, and he died three years younger.
Poopyman
@Trollhattan: 5/4
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: Nah. He already got what he wanted, which was the publicity. There ain’t no bad publicity for some folks, I guess.
patrick II
@Laertes:
I have read that there was a famous singer (I forget which one) that, when presented with a new song knew immediately that it was going to be a big hit. And hated the thought because the song had a very high note that she knew she would have to hit for the rest of her life.
Amir Khalid
@Southern Goth:
What’s that? Putin is orchestrating a separatist movement in Scotland as a cover for his eventual takeover? Shall we now hear of the Russian-speaking community in Scotland and its yearning to unite with the Motherland?
Another Holocene Human
@different-church-lady: Mozart he’s not.
C Nelson Reilly
I like this era of Zeppelin with long-haired hippie Jimmy wearing blue jeans and tennis shoes instead of the dragon suit:
http://youtu.be/jbVg5cBQ2E4
The band rocks so hard you can see John Bonham levitate at around the 1:00 mark
Another Holocene Human
@Randy P: Having never seen “10” either, I find Bolero to be a perfectly cromulent piece of music. I’d say the only negative associations are all the ice skating/ice dancing routines that use this piece. It’s kinda cliche.
I like Moldau better, though.
M31
Well, Tchaikovsky hated the Nutcracker, and I’m sure Pachelbel would have hated the Canon if he knew what happened to it.
Didn’t Dickens hate the Christmas Carol?
Paul in KY
@patrick II: Bob Dylan put out some albums in the 70s – 80s where he purposely left the best stuff off & included songs he knew his fans would hate. All to try & get them to leave him alone.
Southern Goth
@Amir Khalid:
The CIA along with the House of Saud have conspired with the Tories to suppress Scottish autonomy with punitive haggis sanctions.
kindness
@Paul in KY: Could Jimmy have helped Bonham? Of course he could have. Bonham was at Page’s house with him when he drank himself to death but Page was a bit of a junkie at that point. I’m not sure how much depth of thought he was capable of. In the end Bonham had demons much like Keith Moons. They can be overcome but it had to be by the individual themself. The best post death synopsis I read was that Bonham became more erratic the longer he was away from his family. Zep was away a lot. It’s almost the same as the Jerry Garcia thing. The responsibility of the band (and all the people they employed) kept them working because they couldn’t tell all those people Jerry (or John in this case) is going to take a year off and spend time at home and get his shit together (or more artfully put).
It’s a sad rat race that I am glady a voyeur and not a participant. I couldn’t live that way either.
Origuy
@scav: I loved the story that Gaiman and Pratchett sold the movie rights to Terry Gilliam for a groat. (That is, the old English coin worth fourpence.)
different-church-lady
@Poopyman:
More likely 5/8. Clearly five either way.
Mike J
@Amir Khalid:
Since they won’t have any other currency, maybe they can adopt the ruble.
different-church-lady
@Paul in KY: Self Portait
The Thin Black Duke
@Trollhattan: And as an enthusiastic but terrible wanna-be bassist, it breaks my heart that people always talk about what a great loss Duane Allman’s death was, but they never mention Berry Oakley, a criminally underrated bass player.
different-church-lady
@Punchy:
With me one shouldn’t be so sure…
Then my day has not gone to waste.
CaseyL
@scav: I love Good Omens, it’s one of my absolute faves.
Very ambivalent about it being made into a radio show (which, in any case, I’m unlikely to be able to hear, being in the US). So much of the book is backstory, exposition, and description.
I imagine they’ll do a voice-over, like the Hitchhiker’s Guide radio show. That worked pretty well, I guess.
Randy P
@M31: Rachmaninoff hated the Op 3 C# minor prelude and had to perform it as an encore at practically every concert.
Apparently Victor Borge got a lot of requests to do Liszt’s “Liebestraum” because I watched a clip of him once reading such a request, moan and groan and roll his eyes, and then go ahead and play it, STILL moaning and groaning and rolling his eyes. But otherwise playing quite beautifully and brilliantly
geg6
@different-church-lady:
Like what exactly? That you could play a musical instrument at 12? Big deal, so could I. So how many classic rock songs that will live long after you and your musical instrument are nothing more than dust have you penned?
Jeebus. I’m not the world’s biggest Led Zep fan, but this might be the stupidest comment I’ve ever read.
different-church-lady
@Mike in dc:
Bah — stole it all from Buddy Guy.
/hipster-trump
different-church-lady
@geg6: I had no idea that quote was so obscure.
Shakezula
Must be a day ending in Y.
Since this is an open thread – I am thinking of visiting Amherst in the near future and would appreciate lodging recommendations. Or at the very least hotels I should avoid like a sack of bedbugs.
Sir Nose'D
So it seems a woman married a dog. However, this incident does not stem from gay marriage.
http://www.whio.com/news/news/weird-news/18-year-old-girl-marries-stray-dog/nhFyZ/
Randy P
@different-church-lady: I didn’t know you stole the joke but I thought it was pretty obvious that it was a joke. Something in the water today is suppressing the sense of humor I guess.
Jebediah, RBG
@Amir Khalid:
But what about all those Scotzis?
different-church-lady
@Randy P: In reality I’m utterly incapable of playing Stairway to Heaven on anything other than a phonograph.
scav
@CaseyL: One can get BBC radio online for a week even in the US. A lot of the classical music non-real-time playback has issues but dramas / history / news /comedy seem to work reliably. Radio drama doesn’t work for everyone, nor equally for all stories, but it certainly can (especially as they keep up with it and have learnt techniques). I almost love it more than audiobooks and certainly prefer it for times when my eyes need to be elsewhere.
Shakezula
@Laertes: Jani Lane (Warrant) loathed Cherry Pie.
Origuy
@CaseyL:
BBC iPlayer for radio doesn’t check your location, unlike the TV player. It is also possible to use a UK proxy server to bypass the location check. I didn’t say that, don’t tell Auntie Beeb.
Trollhattan
@Poopyman: @different-church-lady: My thanks to you both–those were aming my too-many guesses. :-)
Radiohead and Zappa intrigue/confound/frustrate me in turns, trying to follow what the heck they’re up to.
different-church-lady
@Shakezula:
Which is the only thing I would ever have in common with him.
Trollhattan
@The Thin Black Duke: Good point. The band was so very rhythm-driven among Oakley and the two excellent drummers, but as a kid what I “heard” was the guitars.
Shakezula
@Tara the Antisocial Social Worker: Not surprised. My money is the whole thing was a publicity stunt and people would have been treated to nude selfies of M. XLVLM no matter what. Legal threats might have forced him to make the announcement before the show.
different-church-lady
@Trollhattan:
If you think what I wrote about Kashmir wasn’t English, check out this description of Zappa’s “The Black Page“:
It is written in common time with extensive use of tuplets, including tuplets inside tuplets. At several points there is a crotchet triplet (sixth notes) in which each beat is counted with its own tuplet of 5, 5 and 6; at another is a minim triplet (third notes) in which the second beat is a rubato quintuplet (actually a tuplet of 7), and the third beat is divided into tuplets of 4 and 5. The song ends with a crotchet triplet composed of tuplets of 5, 5, and 6, followed by two tuplets of 11 in the space of one.
SatanicPanic
@patrick II: was it Ms Nickelback, AKA Avril Lavigne? I heard she hated singing Complicated because it was hard to sing.
raven
@Trollhattan: Butch Trucks and Jai Johanny “Jaimoe” Johanson
Trollhattan
@Randy P:
Was lucky enough to see Borge perform with the city orchestra when I was a kid. He was phenomenally funny–unstuffing a stuffy audience–and of course, good enough chops to make it work.
Decades later saw Peter Shickele conduct our local orchestra, which took me right back to that earlier experience.
raven
@The Thin Black Duke:
Mike in dc
@different-church-lady: Yes, I agree, Buddy Guy’s version of “Third Stone From The Sun”? Unforgettable.
/elite music snob sarcastic retort ;)
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady, @different-church-lady:
Yeah, I think a “tradition” has to be known by more than about six people.
Trollhattan
@different-church-lady: Zounds, mind=boggled. But that’s our Frank for you!
If I’m not misremembering from seeing it in the theater many moons ago, in “200 Motels” Frank conducts the London Phil from a ginormous score, which was my epiphany that he wasn’t just making it all up as he went along.
The Thin Black Duke
@raven: I didn’t know that. Thank you.
Steeplejack
@Laertes:
Or just the eventual Sisyphean horror of having to play it at every concert ever again. Brr!
Bob In Portland
Kiev is considering a law to give amnesty to any war crimes its army committed in east Ukraine.
gogol's wife
@Shakezula:
The Lord Jeffrey is okay if you’re not going to be there on a weekend. If it’s a weekend and there’s a wedding, it’s noisy until 10:00 or 11:00 PM.
Trollhattan
@Mike in dc:
He does kill “Red House.”
Honestly, I only fold Stevie Ray into the Hendrix orbit [mixed metaphor alert!], because of what they invoke emotionally. Several others, on a good day, could have shared the stage with either but their body of work doesn’t match up.
The Thin Black Duke
@Steeplejack: I think that’s one of the reasons why the Dead had such a long and creatively fulfilling career. When you never play a long the same way, it’s impossible to be bored.
Bob In Portland
@Southern Goth: I agree with Krugman that Scotland will be a lot more to the left than the United Kingdom, which may lead to more poodles in power in London. As for for Scotland, it’s making a big economic mistake if it doesn’t have its own currency and depends on the pound. It will unfortunately be in the same position that Spain and Greece and Italy are within the EU.
The BBC overnight and BBC on the web have been talking about all these great deals that Cameron et al seem to be offering to induce a no vote.
Bob In Portland
I’m working, but I’m not working for you.
Steeplejack
@The Thin Black Duke:
True dat. Same for a lot of jazz artists, I’m sure.
geg6
@different-church-lady:
Never heard of it or whatever show or movie that is that it comes from. If you’re going to use massively stupid sounding quotes, you should probably let us know that they are quotes and maybe even tell us what they are from since your imdb link was not in the least enlightening.
Mike in dc
@Trollhattan: Buddy’s a great guitarist, of course. Jimi’s a great creator and innovator. He took dozens of influences, added his own creations, and assimilated it into something truly unique to himself. Like Bruce Lee’s maxim: Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is distinctly your own.
Mind blowing factoid: Bruce and Jimi have the same birthday, November 27th, and both attended high school in Seattle.
different-church-lady
@Mike in dc:
He is such a great guitarist that hardly anyone bothers to note he’s an amazing blues singer as well.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Bob In Portland: Poroshenko says 70% of Russia’s troops have left Ukraine – Reuters.
Maybe Putin blinked after all. That would be good news.
Cheers,
Scott.
Trollhattan
@Mike in dc:
Didn’t know they shared birthdays. Jimi attended Garfield and Lee attended Edison Tech, then the UW. Garfield students also include Quincy Jones and that Macklemore feller. My Seattle high school produced [cough] Kenny G, so we don’t talk about that so much.
John Revolta
it’s straight-up 4/4
This is actually a pretty common Zeppelin trick. Page is always leaving out beats and playing things where you don’t expect them while Bonham just keeps plowing ahead. I always suspected it’s because Bonham was a bit of a moron. (I’d be glad to be proven wrong, but after 40 years of playing music and listening to his hamhanded tubthumping, I still feel the same way).
patrick II
@Paul in KY:
It’s not who I was thinking of. Avril co-wrote “Complicated” herself. It was an older lady singer who has been singing for years and dreading that high note more and more as she got older. But I just can’t remember specifically who (I’m getting a little old myself).
Avril also wrote the Kelly Clarkson hit “Breakaway”, but gave it to Clarkson because Avril was not comfortable with the high notes in that song. Great deal for Clarkson.
Jay C
@Bob In Portland:
True this: a lot of NYT commenters on Krugman’s posts on Scotland go on about “democracy” and “self-determination”, etc: but Prof. K is sticking to the purely economic questions: which, apparently, have only popped up now that secession looks like it might have a more-than-even chance of going through. He’s right about the currency thing, though: an independent Scotland without its own currency (whether Sterling or the Euro) is going to have a lot of its economic autonomy compromised from the start. If they imagine that they’re getting a raw deal from Westminster now – as an autonomous region – I wonder what they think their position would be as a foreign country?
Of course, he does point out that the
secessionindependence referendum is only the first hurdle to clear before a final separation: there are a LOT of things that would have to be haggled out in negotiations.burnspbesq
Two-factor authentication for the win. Unless you have my password AND my cell phone, you’re not getting into my account.
burnspbesq
@Bob In Portland:
Not sure why Scotland wouldn’t simply adopt the U.S. dollar as its currency. Worked out awfully well for Ecuador.
burnspbesq
@geg6:
Snarkometer on the fritz?
drkrick
@Paul in KY:
You may want to brush up on the social dynamics of 60’s/70’s rock bands. Even if Jimmy wasn’t more or less a junkie at the time himself, encouraging people to party less just wasn’t done in that culture. Bitch and moan behind their back, maybe, but not tell them they ought to slow down. Also, Bonham would probably have stuffed Page into a bass drum or a speaker cabinet if he’d tried.
drkrick
Buddy Guy wanted to do a lot of the things Jimi became famous for a little later (minus the cosmic lyrics, I don’t think Buddy was a tripster), but the Chess brothers wouldn’t let him. Guy says one them apologized for it when they saw the error of their ways after Jimi was already running with it.
Captain C
@different-church-lady: It’s in 3/4 (guitar riff) over 4/4 (drums) (i.e. at the same time).
burnspbesq
@The Thin Black Duke:
Hendrix was extraordinary, but he was so unique that he ends up as something of a minor influence. I mean, James “Blood” Ulmer, Vernon Reid, and who else?
In that regard, his work is like post-1964 Coltrane. Everybody listens to it, and marvels at it, but who really draws on it?
drkrick
@different-church-lady:
Page didn’t compile it until he was 22. As was often the case, “writing” is overstating his contribution a bit.
The funny thing is that RS blasted all over just about every Zeppelin release at the time each came out. It takes RS about 10 years to catch on to their work for some reason. I wouldn’t sleep on Plant’s “Band of Joy” CD of a couple of years ago – a real gem IMO.
Captain C
@Paul in KY:
Not really, as Jimmy was descending into his own heroin addiction.
Or rather, maybe he should have, but he probably couldn’t have, regardless.
drkrick
@burnspbesq:
You mean other than just about every hard rock/metal guitarist since? For starters, the work of contemporaries Page, Clapton and Beck post 1968 show changes in style inspired by Jimi. The guy in Deep Purple sold a couple of records. Eddie Van Halen. The Pearl Jam people. Aerosmith. You know, hardly anybody you’ve ever heard of.
drkrick
Ber@The Thin Black Duke: Oakley was also a gifted arranger. For example, while Gregg got the writing credit, that bass intro in Whipping Post, particularly the 11/8 hiccup, was all Berry. Their output after he died during the Brothers and Sisters sessions really suffered from the loss of his imaginative input.
Captain C
@Shakezula: So did the servers at the pizzeria in my college town; playing it more than once on the jukebox could get you bounced.
Joy in FL
Tim F.–
Thanks for the tip about changing my gmail passwords. Your post is the first I was aware of the current need. (If it’s not on BJ or an art blog or Tumblr, I probably have no idea of stuff.)
kindness
@drkrick: An even better example of Hendrix’s influence on others is Bob Dylan’s ‘Like A Rolling Stone’. After Jimi made his version of it, Bob switched to playing it Jimi’s way.
The Other Chuck
@kindness: I think you meant All Along the Watchtower
The Other Chuck
@John Revolta: Perhaps I’m just being trolled, but I always thought Bonham was kind of lead-fisted too compared to other greats like Densmore. Still, listen to Achilles Last Stand and you hear he can do agile and tight too. “Heavy Metal” might have been coined for Zep, but that’s the only song I can think of that still lives up to the term.
Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)
@The Other Chuck: Nah, it was Just Like Tom Thumb’s Blues.
Panurge
The Seventies only seem weird because they were very slowly cut off and we were directed back to “business as usual” by a tacit coalition of the Reaganite Right and the post-punk neo-beatnik creative class (Greenwich Village’s revenge on Haight-Ashbury, so to speak). If they’d kept taking root the way they’d been doing, we wouldn’t think of them as weird–and we shouldn’t. Only squares [*] think of stuff like that as “weird”. That stuff should be The Good Old Days by now.
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*Part of our problem in discussing our times is our reluctance to use terms that we’ve all been told for years have hippie cooties so we’re not allowed to use them. “Establishment”, “square”, “hang-up”–these are all still useful terms that can communicate a lot of truth. (I’m happy to leave “groovy” behind, though, for some reason.)
Panurge
@Jebediah, RBG: Because HIPPIEEEZZ!
Panurge
@burnspbesq:
To name two right off, Eric Johnson and Stevie Ray Vaughn.
kindness
@The Other Chuck: I stand corrected. Thanks.
Paul in KY
@kindness: I also mentioned their manager: Mr. Peter Grant. I think he might have more culpability than Mr. Page.
Paul in KY
@drkrick: As I mentioned above, Mr. Grant should have been the heavy in this case.
Paul in KY
@Captain C: I also mentioned their manager, Mr. Grant, in my comment.