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Gov. Haley has signed the bill; official lowering ceremony scheduled for 10am EDT Friday.
Behind the scenes, via the Washington Post:
… Her voice hoarse from shouting, [Rep. Jenny] Horne told The Post she was simply fed up with the obstructionist tactics from members of her own Republican Party.
“I thought the stall tactics were childish,” she said. “It turned into an endurance contest and we spent I don’t know how many hours doing something that the Senate did in a fraction of the time and I, quite frankly, was insulted.
“We had spent an entire day trying to slow this bill down and bog it down and force it to conference committee and drag this debate out for weeks and weeks and weeks, and I had just decided that it was time that somebody stood up and said what was the real issue here.
“The real issue is that that flag is a symbol of hate and it’s on a public ground where people, the entire state, they own that state house,” she continued. “That is public property. And to me, if that flag offends a percentage of our citizenry, including the people in Charleston, then we owed it to them to act in accordance with the Senate to take it down in a unified fashion.”…
“I’m sorry. I have heard enough about heritage,” Horne said during the debate. “I have a heritage. I am a lifelong South Carolinian. I am a descendant of Jefferson Davis, okay? But that does not matter. It’s not about Jenny Horne. It’s about the people of South Carolina who have demanded that this symbol of hate come off the statehouse grounds.”…
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Apart from fighting the good fight, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
geg6
Although I’m sure I don’t agree with her about anything else, on this issue Jenny Horne is my new hero.
Baud
I wonder if they’ll play Battle Hymn of the Republic during the lowering ceremony.
And now for something I don’t get to say very often — Good on South Carolina.
Baud
@geg6:
Yeah, I hope she does something evil soon so I can sleep at night.
Major Major Major Major
Attention House GOP:
When South Carolina’s legislature is making you look backwards and revanchist, it might be time to reconsider what you’re doing.
JPL
@Baud: I feel the same way about Nikki Haley because I found her speech today very engaging. She appeared to speak from the heart. If she is on the republican ticket, all I can say, is she is no Sarah Palin.
LanceThruster
On July 7, 2014, Israel launched a colossal ground, air, and naval assault on the Gaza Strip, the tiny Palestinian coastal enclave Israel controls. This was the third, and to date the worst, such assault waged by Israel against Gaza since 2008. It was an outrageous act of premeditated aggression to which the Israeli government gave the Orwellian name “Operation Protective Edge.”
In the course of fifty-one dark days, nearly 2,200 Palestinians were killed; about a quarter of them were children, many of whom were deliberately targeted. [1] One hundred and forty-two families lost three or more members. About 11,000 Gaza Palestinians were injured, maimed, or permanently disfigured. Israeli bombardment destroyed or severely damaged 18,000 housing units, displacing nearly 20,000 Palestinian families comprised of about 108,000 men, women, and children. It also flattened about 17,000 hectares of crops, and decimated the agricultural infrastructure that sustains life: irrigations systems, animal farms, and greenhouses. [2]
This relentless pummeling was directed at a population still recovering from the two preceding Israeli attacks—Operation “Cast Lead” in 2008–2009, and Operation “Pillar of Cloud” in 2012—and reeling from an illegal and debilitating seven-year-long siege and blockade that shattered livelihoods and deliberately impoverished the residents (“put them on a diet,” in Israeli parlance [3]). Seventy-two percent of Gaza’s residents were described by UN bodies as food insecure or vulnerable—that is, lacking access to sufficient and nutritious food to feed their families—and nearly half unemployed. [4] This same population, along with their brethren in the rest of Palestine and abroad in diaspora, had already endured sixty-six years of displacement and dispossession, almost a half century of Israeli military occupation involving continuing settler colonialism, and decades of closures and movement restrictions.
And yet, if we are to believe the popular discourse in the mainstream Western media, Gaza “had it coming,” and by some perverse and morally vacuous logic, its residents “were to blame” for their own suffering. How do we make sense of all of this? Why would Israel see fit to pound Gaza over and over again, and more to the point, how can they get away with it? How can we truly understand the situation in Gaza, as a means to understanding the situation in Palestine more broadly? How can we understand a place that is encircled from every angle, continuously and systematically assailed to rally voters (in Israel), or to “teach a lesson,” or, in another obscene Israeli expression, to “mow the lawn” [5]—to trim those unruly, defiant hedges? Whenever Gaza is hit, it is thrust anew into the media limelight, and its residents are recast into the double roles of both victim and villain. Gaza, we fear, has been reduced to an allegory and an abstraction. We are inundated with figures and numbers attempting to depict for us what life is like in this tiniest of places. How can words convey that which numbers and images and characters and online posts cannot, no matter how valiantly? How do you provide an accurate and humanistic—a real narration—of the Palestinian story that is Gaza?
– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/unsilencing-operation-protective#sthash.wYaUkKpq.dpuf
Major Major Major Major
@LanceThruster: Holy context, Batman!
Baud
@JPL:
Sometimes I hate the low expectations by which the GOP is judged.
Germy Shoemangler
the dustbin of history
dmsilev
This speech, on the floor of the US House, is awesome:
I’d add ‘Failure’ to that list, but otherwise ‘all of the above’ is the correct answer.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
was very depressing to see a United States congressman saying that the flag had been “hijacked” by white supremacists, and saying those who say it’s a symbol of oppression, slavery and racism are ignoring history.
(Blecchh. An MSNBC segment about the wonderful friendship of Bubba and Dumbya. No, Michael Beschloss, it is not “nice” to see George W Bush being backslapped and giggled with)
dmsilev
@Germy Shoemangler: Hah, looks like we linked the same speech.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: She is a South Carolina Republican; you can rest assured the she will act appallingly quite soon.
rikyrah
THIS is the ‘ smart one’?
Dave ZirinVerified account
@EdgeofSports
Jeb Bush: “You can love your Mexican-American wife and still want border control.” So inspiring. Someone put that on a bumper sticker.
https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/619184485691731968
MomSense
Wine, homemade pizza, braised swiss chard, and telenovela.
I had a day and tomorrow promises to be another. I just have to get through the next 24 hours and then I’m on vacation!!
Germy Shoemangler
@dmsilev: Great minds?
Mike in NC
Haven’t heard an update on the planned KKK rally in Columbia on the 18th. No doubt it’ll be ugly. Carry on, crackers.
LanceThruster
@Major Major Major Major:
The context is/was that I have not seen this discussed or noted in the MSM nor web sites dealing with issues and current affairs.
Not sure what your response is meant to signify.
It’s an open thread, no?
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
That is comforting. Thank you.
MomSense
@LanceThruster:
Not sure I’m capable of digesting your comment at the moment. May have to come back later when I’m not fried.
LanceThruster
If the Confederate Battle flag (of Virginia) is considered the South’s Swastika flag, this flag has many parallels.
Germy Shoemangler
The New Yawker tells the story about the day Bernie Sanders delivered his 8 1/2 hour speech.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Happy to oblige.
Mike J
@Baud:
Marching Through Georgia.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: I’m not counting any chickens, just keeping my fingers crossed for a hundred million dollar flame out.
Jack Germond used to say that if he’d had a computer when he was covering the 1968 GOP primary, he would have set up a cut and paste command for the phrase, “Aides say what Governor Romney meant to say was…”. I think reporters might use that for The Smart One.
Major Major Major Major
@LanceThruster: Oh, yeah anything goes. It’s just something that long is often accompanied by an intro, I think? That was all. I certainly don’t agree with Israel’s actions last year…
LanceThruster
@MomSense:
It’s a place holder in an open thread. It’s on my mind and I wondered if it was on anyone else’s (or if they were even aware).
One of the most effective features of the MSM is their practice of omission in order to control the narrative.
LanceThruster
@Major Major Major Major:
I thought the opening paragraph served that purpose though I guess you mean my take on it or that perhaps I should have put it in the ‘quote’ format.
Sorry. Wanted to get it up there before I left work and read comments on the train.
Baud
@rikyrah:
You can love Taco Bell and still want mass deportations.
Major Major Major Major
@LanceThruster: No biggie haha. I really just wanted to know why you’d posted that or what your take was on it. I’ve added it to my reading list, FWIW.
JPL
@Omnes Omnibus: I have to thank you also. That woman gives me nightmares.
MomSense
@LanceThruster:
Yes, it has been on my mind although I admit to despairing about the situation.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@LanceThruster:
It has a bit of an air of you trying to draw attention away from a clear victory. YMMV, of course, but to me it came across as, No one on the left is allowed to be happy even for a minute! Here, let’s talk about a sad anniversary to make sure no one is happy about a victory!
Betty Cracker
So it takes the South Carolina state government a week to do what a black woman did in 20 minutes? Oh well. Good on them for doing the right thing…eventually.
Hal
My favorite defense of the flag is the “read a history book!” defense. Unless that book was written by the ghost of Strom Thurmond, I’m guessing the history of the flag wouldn’t be all that flattering.
rikyrah
Been telling you….Trump is feeding the GOP base filet mignon…….why would they settle for chopped steak from the others….
Talking Points MemoVerified account
@TPM
Trump-mentum shows no signs of stopping: The Donald leads GOP field in new poll http://bit.ly/1Csl4W6
Villago Delenda Est
If you haven’t seen Jenny Horne’s speech in its entirety, over at Wonkette it was part of the post concerning that vote earlier today. It’s kickass pretty much on the same level as President Obama’s eulogy was.
She’s my heroine today, for sure.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
did I just hear right? did SC Republicans really propose hanging the US flag upside-down on the state capitol building? Patriomatism!
Felonius Monk
@Betty Cracker:
You are assuming that the S.C. state government could find it’s own ass with a road map and a flashlight…and its hands in its back pockets. Not a good assumption, I think.
the Conster
Too bad it takes a white descendant of traitor Jeff Davis to make the most compelling argument. Fuck that . The traitor flag was raised in 1961 as a response to 9 black protesters sitting at a whites only lunch counter. It’s being lowered as a response to 9 black worshippers being murdered by a traitor flag worshipping fucktard. I guess there’s an arc of justice, but the price of equality is too damn high, and as a white person, I’m fucking sick of white people and their fee fees.
Germy Shoemangler
@rikyrah:
Saw this in the comments section:
the Conster
@Villago Delenda Est:
You know what, she’s not a hero. She stated the obvious.
Keith G
Houston media is noting that Kenny Stabler has died. One of my football heroes.
karen marie
@Baud: They’re having a ceremony? Unless they plan on burning it after it’s taken down, a formal ceremony seems inappropriate to me. No respect should be further extended.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I don’t think I’ve been to Taco Bell since I quit drinking.
different-church-lady
@rikyrah: He’s only leading because the field is so fragmented. Leading with 15% of the vote is nothing.
But that’s just between you and me — let’s do what Josh is doing and roll with it. Because 15% is about the same as he’d get in the general, and would pretty much guarantee a Clinton/Sanders administration.
Roger Moore
Modernist Mac & Cheese, gazpacho, and maybe some cat videos.
Eric S.
@MomSense: what you said. Flying to Florida on Sunday to meet up with The Girl. I can’t wait to take a week of not thinking about work.
satby
Just had to leave a FB group of soap makers because I had asked the admin to speak to a member who used the traitor flag as her avatar. The admin was from Australia, told me “it wasn’t her place and she wasn’t particularly happy about all the rainbows either, but she doesn’t tell people to change them” even after I explained specifically why the flag was a problem.
Don’t know if I am even more disgusted with humanity or just relieved I won’t have to look at stupid cupcake soaps anymore.
lamh36
I was born and raised in the South. My mother was born and raised in the South. My mother’s mother was born and raised in the South. My mother’s mother’s mother was born and raised in the South (after being brought here from Africa, like alot of Black folk, I am 2 generations removed from sharecroppers and slavery). The same can be said for my father, his father, his father’s father…..you see where I’m going with this.
I love my city NOLA. I love the Southern heritage of NOLA and I’ve NEVER been embarassed to be from the South.
Being a native Southerner is my HERITAGE, and I and I’d bet a majority of the Black folk in the South, DO NOT consider the Confed flag as representin’ our heritage.
I’ve lived in the South and my family has lived in the South as long as a majority of the White Southerners who like to defend the flag as part of their “Southern Heritage”.
Now what makes their “heritage” more important than mine. What is it about “my Southern heritage” that makes it less symbolic of the Southern heritage than theirs?
I have idea, and I’m sure you guys do to!
schrodinger's cat
@Roger Moore: Have you seen the one of the owl and the kitten? Too cute for words.
schrodinger's cat
Help! I is being moderated.
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
The difference is that when that black woman did it, her good work was reversed in short order. When the South Carolina state government does it, it isn’t going to be undone any time soon. It’s the same reason it paid to have Congress repeal DADT rather than have Obama issue an executive order. Sometimes it’s worth taking the time to dot your “i”s and cross your “t”s.
Villago Delenda Est
@the Conster: Obvious to you and me and everyone else here, perhaps, but not so obvious to her fuckhead asswipe colleagues in the SC House.
Howard Beale IV
@Keith G: Confirmed that “The Snake” has passed on, age 69, from Stage 4 colon cancer. His brain and spinal column are being donated to the Boston University’s CTE clinic.
raven
On 9 July 1968, the flag of the Viet Cong was set up at Ta Con (Khe Sanh) airfield. On 13 July 1968, Ho Chi Minh sent a message to the soldiers of the Route 9–Khe Sanh Front affirming their victory at Khe Sanh. It was the first time in the war that the Americans abandoned a major combat base because of enemy pressure
MomSense
@Eric S.:
Enjoy! I’m heading to NYC to do touristy things and visit some old haunts. No work thoughts allowed!
Villago Delenda Est
@schrodinger’s cat: Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
raven
@Howard Beale IV: He studied his playbook by the light of the jukebox.
Roger Moore
@the Conster:
Unfortunately, sometimes who is talking is more important than exactly what they’re saying. A descendant of Jeff Davis is actually a more powerful voice for taking down the flag than an African American would be because she’s going against what’s expected of her.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: David Waldman @ KagroX 7h7 hours ago
Geoduck
@Mike J: While I wholeheartedly support the sentiment (and like the song), everyone should be aware that it does use a racial slur in one of its lines. Listener beware and all.
Gravenstone
@LanceThruster: Open thread, but dumping a copy pasta manifesto with neither comment nor context leads most to question what the fuck you’re talking about.
LanceThruster
Re: the topic, I am quite enthused that the Confederate battle flag is being banished from contemporary governmental institutions as if it was deserving of continued reverence, but am a little more sympathetic to the notion there are innocent aspects of it intertwined with its more malevolent associations.
Such as, does it makes sense for Bubba Watson to paint over the flag on the General Lee car (should it even stay the General Lee)? I certainly admire his rationale,
More on this when home.
[Damn phone signal]
schrodinger's cat
I was try to link to a cute video of an owl and a kitten, but WP found it objectionable because the link had a synonym for kitteh that is also frequently used in pron.
Eric S.
@MomSense: Thanks. Enjoy the big city.
The Girl just sent me a pic of a beautiful sunset. Next week I want my two biggest concerns to be not getting sunburned (I’m thinking spf 145) and being on the best veranda to watch the sun go down.
raven
@schrodinger’s cat: embed it
LanceThruster
@Gravenstone:
Was pressed for time. I thought the intro in the piece itself was powerfully concise, despite the length.
Gravenstone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: At least they’re not proposing firing on the US flag. At least not publicly …
the Conster
@Roger Moore:
I understand that argument, but I reject the argument that it’s brave or heroic. I would bet good money that she will not be murdered, or that her life will be altered in a way that is equivalent to what her black constituents will suffer because of her emotional appeal to the better nature of her white constituents. She’s no Andrew Goodman.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s an international sign of distress,
LanceThruster
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Not at all. Sorry that was the effect. My flag views are a little more nuanced and will take a bit more to flesh out.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@raven: Yeah, and something that enjoyed (maybe still does) some popularity with racists since November 2008 (including, I’m sorry to say, a cousin of mine)
ETA: The party of Lincoln, or at least a sizable part of it, thinks taking down a confederate flag is a sign of distress for the Union. They just drag you through the lookingglass, don’t they?
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@schrodinger’s cat:
Put the link through a site like tinyurl or bit.ly to hide the naughty word. Merely embedding it won’t work if the naughty word is in the link itself.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Yea and I carried one in a 4th if July Parade in 1970 because of the war in Vietnam.
Howard Beale IV
Fuck. Now my right ear is down -20 db across the board. Last time this happened it came back after a while, but this time, I’m not so sure.
raven
@the Conster: Well good for you.
Germy Shoemangler
@Howard Beale IV: Now my right ear is down -20 db across the board.
What happened?
LanceThruster
Several comments in moderation or lost in the ether.
Germy Shoemangler
Some day WP will figure out what FYWP means, and throw that into moderation as well.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Did Reince Priebus try to talk Donald Trump into sitting down and shutting up when he was Mitt Romney’s quasi-official surrogate for the Birthers?
Howard Beale IV
@Germy Shoemangler: Ages ago (mid-late 1990s) I wound up getting tinnitus in my right ear, which wound up impacting low frequency hearing. For most of the time it wasn’t affecting my hearing until the last week or so, when all of a sudden I noticed a big huge suckout-so I swept my right ear with my audio test disc and lo and behold, my right ear is so far in the toilet it’s worthless. Maybe it’s because I took a flight, maybe who knows-all I know it’s annoying as hell.
It’s a bitch when you love music to know that you’re hearing has been altered.
Roger Moore
@the Conster:
Maybe you do, but you didn’t bother to mention it in the comment I was replying to. You complained about her making the most compelling argument, not about people praising her for her bravery or heroism.
schrodinger's cat
Owl and kitteh, full of squee.
Germy Shoemangler
@Howard Beale IV: Any dizziness?
I’ve had ear problems for years. It got really bad a few years ago. Do you really think your flight made it worse?
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: Do they dance by the light of the moon?
the Conster
@raven:
LOLWUT? This isn’t about me or you. We’re all being safely white here, safe from the fallout while cheering from the sidelines because of our white privilege, while our country is cleaving, once again, along race and all that means to our fellow Americans who happen to be born black yet keep being denied all of the rights they inherit as Americans. I’m so fucking tired of this bullshit dynamic of patting each other on the back for not being a fucktard, while nothing really changes. I’m angry and frustrated at the one step forward, and two steps back.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Click the link and see for yourself!
Svensker
@MomSense:
Wine, pasta with cheese, braised swiss chard, and tacky 50s scifi movie. Great minds!
Roger Moore
@Omnes Omnibus:
I want to know about dining on mince and slices of quince that they eat with a runcible spoon.
Trentrunner
Small thing, but why does Jeb! refer to his wife as “Mexican-American”?
She’s Mexican, is she not?
And don’t say “because she’s now a US citizen.”
I have MANY mixed-country couple friends, and they NEVER introduce the non-American partner as “my French-American wife” or “my Irish-American husband.”
Jeb!’s wife is Mexican. Nothing to be ashamed of.
NotMax
Maybe now a flag picturing Strom Thurmond mounting an African-American woman to whom he is not wed can be displayed.
Heritage!
(Too soon?)
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Do they eat with a runcible spoon?
Edit: Curse you, Roger Moore!
the Conster
@Roger Moore:
Whatevs. Good for her. I’m glad she did what she did. I’m just sick of all of this revanchist shit from a bunch of fat fucktard losers who are waging a rear guard action against the 21st century.
SatanicPanic
@Trentrunner: I say both, depending on the context, probably because I’ve lived most of my life close to Mexico it’s useful to distinguish.
schrodinger's cat
@Roger Moore: @Omnes Omnibus: And before you ask, they are too young to be married and they have only just met.
Villago Delenda Est
@Trentrunner:
Unless you’re running for the nomination of a political party which has a base made up of xenophobic shitheads.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SatanicPanic: yeah, this doesn’t particularly bother me, though I don’t remember John Kerry ever addressing his wife’s nationality
lamh36
Ha!
Consider this a recap video of the match today between Serena Williams and Maria Sharpova…lol.
https://twitter.com/Complex_Sports/status/619176884513959937/photo/1
ETA: It’s a cat video for you pet loving BJers
Howard Beale IV
@Germy Shoemangler: Nope. No dizziness; no Meinere’s.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
appointment radio, or podcast, or whatever
Germy Shoemangler
@Howard Beale IV: Last week we went downtown to see the fireworks. Last year it was loud, but not obnoxiously so. But this year they were apparently determined to outdo themselves. I actually saw people covering their ears for some of it.
Tree With Water
The Manchester Guardian is reporting:
“George W Bush charged a military veterans’ charity $100,000 to speak at a fundraiser in 2012.
“It was great because he reduced his normal fee of $250,000 down to $100,000,” Meredith Iler, the former chair of Helping a Hero, told ABC News.
The former president was also provided with a private jet to travel to the event in Houston at a cost of $20,000, ABC News reported, citing unnamed officials.
A spokesman for the former president, Freddy Ford, confirmed the payment to ABC News..”.
Germy Shoemangler
@Tree With Water: Trump was all over that on twitter:
lamh36
And it begins…
Apple Vacations offering Cuban Tours from Miami
SatanicPanic
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wasn’t his wife Greek or something? I understand the context that Jeb! is bringing it up in- he’s trying to explain how he can be in the Republican party and have a Mexican wife. I’m kind of glad that he’s willing to admit there’s something awkward about that.
rikyrah
According to Maddow, Fox has changed the rules about the debates.
It’s not going to be based on polls.
Now, the candidates have to do Financial Disclosure Forms with the FEC in order to get a spot on the debate.
They don’t think Trump will file, thus kick him off the debate.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Tree With Water: Rachel Maddow talking about it now
@SatanicPanic: Portuguese, born in… Angola?
Germy Shoemangler
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Maria Teresa Thierstein Simões-Ferreira was born in Mozambique, at the time a colony of the Portuguese Empire, to Portuguese parents.
WaterGirl
@rikyrah: They have no shame. But we knew that already, didn’t we.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Germy Shoemangler: Thanks, interesting name, looks like there might be some interesting family history
Germy Shoemangler
@rikyrah: Terribly unfair!
Trump should form his own party. The Trump party or the Contract Bridge party or something like that.
KG
@different-church-lady: he has 15% of first choice. He’s also got 12% on second choice, and he leads on the combination total too. That second choice total suggests that if some of the also rans stop running, he’ll pick up some more support. Trump may actually have some staying power
Gravenstone
@rikyrah: Yeah, that will really help their image. Yes America, our candidates are all worth at least this much. Don’t you worthless plebes wish you were that rich?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@rikyrah: Oh, please let him call their bluff, please let him get madder and madder….
pamelabrown53
@lamh36:
Kinda pricey, doncha think? Hopefully, price will go down with more competition. Aren’t travel restrictions still in place?
jl
@Trentrunner:
‘ Jeb!’s wife is Mexican. Nothing to be ashamed of. ‘
I don’t think it would be a big deal whether Jeb! referred to her as Mexican, or Mexican-American or as just his wife, or just by her name in normal company. But he is in the midst of a GOP primary, so who knows what racial and ethnic political BS he thinks he has to navigate?
One good bet is that Jeb! will fumble it up, whatever he is trying to do.
Just as he fumbled around with the ridiculous, insulting, and if you work in the US, vile, idea that the US can achieve a 4 percent growth rate ‘as far as the eye can see’ by making people in US work longer hours. He will fumble and bumble that he heard the question wrong, or is being quoted out of context. Or whatever, one thing is becoming clear, on a regular basis, Jeb! does not seem to understand what the noises going into his ears or out of his mouth mean
TPM had a good analysis of Jeb!’s economic growth program of working US people to death:
We’ve Met the Doofus. And He is Jeb
‘…Jeb’s ‘work harder’ prescription provides harrowing look at the level of derp that can be produced when you take a guy who isn’t all that bright and push him to the head of the national leadership line without ever having put in an honest day’s work or support[ed] himself in his life. ‘
…
‘ The whole point [of] ‘growth’ in the economic sense is that it is real and something that can be built upon in compounded terms over time, providing ever expanding levels of prosperity without limit. But there are only 16 hours between 8 hours and 24. Eventually you will simply run out. ‘
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/weve-met-the-doofus-and-he-is-jeb
MomSense
@Svensker:
Sounds perfect.
Germy Shoemangler
American Voices in the Onion:
http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/south-carolina-votes-remove-confederate-flag-50816
Mike in NC
@pamelabrown53: Yes, Americans still cannot go to Cuba to vacation the way Canadians and others do. The ‘cultural exposure’ business means it will cost about $3000 per person or more. Congress needs to act to change that policy, so don’t expect anything to happen soon while the Tea Party is still in control.
different-church-lady
@KG:
And when you add those together… what do you get?
beltane
@Germy Shoemangler: The last time Trump ran for president it was as a Reform Party candidate in 2000. His positions on many issues were quite liberal, especially for that time: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/09/1400786/-When-he-last-ran-for-President-Trump-proposed-a-massive-tax-on-billionaires
different-church-lady
@NotMax:
After a meal, perhaps.
Anne Laurie
@Eric S.:
Reminder: Use enough of it, and reapply every couple of hours. You want to use up the average bottle every day or so. And if you can’t bring yourself to wear a hat, rub it into your scalp, too — there’s more & more reports of pale people getting skin cancers under their hair, where it’s harder to notice. (So there’s lots more people wearing hats that aren’t as dorky-looking… )
jl
@different-church-lady: I get Trump doing pretty well in the polls regardless of how support for the other knaves and losers shuffles around. Will be an interesting first TV debate on Fox. Or a nice crisis FOX News and the GOP deserve if they try to cheat Trump out of it.
But… has Trump filed his papers yet? Do we even know whether he is really running yet?
Steeplejack
@Germy Shoemangler:
I love how they have used those same photos for, God, almost 20 years now. Although they didn’t use my favorite one this time: the woman who’s kind of pursing her lips.
different-church-lady
@Anne Laurie:
And once you’ve done all that, do not go outdoors!
SiubhanDuinne
@SatanicPanic:
Teresa Heinz Kerry, she was not Greek
(Or, as Dubya would say: “a Grecian”).
In fact, she was born in Martinique,
So I guess she’s a Martinician.
Germy Shoemangler
@Steeplejack: I’ve always wanted to see what she looks like now.
Steeplejack
@Germy Shoemangler:
Last seen as “Clarice Sutton, produce weigher.”
Tree With Water
@Germy Shoemangler: Great minds think alike?
What human element is missing in GW? From a medical perspective, exactly what would constitute the diagnosis? He is the sickest bastard to ever disgrace that office, exceeding even Richard Nixon in his unvarnished venality.
Germy Shoemangler
@Steeplejack: I like the occupations. There’s always a systems analyst mixed in with unemployed or a weird job involving weights and measures.
the Conster
@rikyrah:
That’s awesome. Fox has always been able to get their viewers to walk that narrow line between being in a rage, but keeping it an impotent rage. Now the base has found their voice with Trump who is pure unleashed Republican id, and they want Trump on that stage. Fox created Trumpenstein, now we get to watch their monster terrorize their village.
Germy Shoemangler
@Tree With Water: Missing the all-important “empathy bone” located in the rib cage next to the heart.
different-church-lady
@rikyrah: Will there be wild card seeds?
the Conster
@different-church-lady:
Fox should have an arm wrestling competition. It would be ratings gold. Wouldn’t you love to see Jindal and Cruz go mano a mano? Pataki v. JEB! Rand v. Carly.
Steeplejack
@Germy Shoemangler:
My all-time favorite thing in The Onion was the ongoing saga of Herbert Kornfeld, the H-Dog enforcer of Accountz Reeceevable at Midstate Office Supply. I kept a Word document with all the links in chronological order because the site search function was so awful. Dunno where it is now. Damn. Probably the victim of a now forgotten disk crash.
different-church-lady
@the Conster:
Refer to my earlier reply.
Germy Shoemangler
@Steeplejack: Here’s Herbert’s obituary:
http://www.theonion.com/article/white-on-white-violence-claims-life-of-accounts-re-5683
different-church-lady
@Germy Shoemangler: Scroll down and you get…
LanceThruster
If there’s a mod how could find/release my comments I’d be much obliged.
different-church-lady
@LanceThruster: FYWP don’t give a shit. FYWP just takes what it wants.
Cervantes
One wonders if it’s the only thing her party does that she finds insulting.
charles
Big problem is liberals & democrats do not play tough hard ball with these idiots.
For example
Never call it the confederate flag. Always use phrase “flag of treason in defence of slavery”. Always. Make them say that the heritage they want to honor is of “treason in defence of slavery”.
LanceThruster
@different-church-lady:
Thx.
TTT
Lance Thruster, it’s actually quite appropriate that you pivoted from a story about the Confederate flag to one about the Palestinian flag, because each represents a “Lost Cause” whitewashing of racist terror-governments who yearn for the good old days when the minorities they hated (blacks, Jews) knew their place and stayed subservient and quiet, plus heaps and heaps of self-pity that the war of aggression and racism that they started didn’t actually go their way. The South, er, West Bank shall rise again!
LanceThruster
@TTT:
The 180 Rule. You’ve turned the facts on their head.
Paul in KY
@geg6: It is good to see a Republican that has some balls.
Paul in KY
@the Conster: Hear, hear!!
Paul in KY
@Keith G: One of mine too. A great Raider!
Paul in KY
@satby: Australia has it’s share of shitwads. Just like us.
Paul in KY
@lamh36: Hope you get to go to Voodoo Fest this year. I will not be there, as Keeneland is hosting Breeder’s Cup on same weekend & Keeneland is my home track.
Will miss NOLA, that’s for sure.
J R in WV
@TTT:
All too true, but still doesn’t justify the Israelis targeting children in their heavy bombardments. 25% of fatalities children? Just wrong to the point of deliberate evil!
I would say that a ratio of deaths of 2,200 to 2 is pretty bad. I’m not going to look exact numbers up, but IIRC that’s close enough for B-J.
Paul in KY
@raven: No shame there. The NVA & Viet Cong were very tough opponents.
LanceThruster
@TTT:
It takes a special kind of obtuseness to not see the parallels of Israeli Zionist apartheid and the Jim Crow South. Hitler used the expansion of America into the West as his model for gaining Lebensraum. Israel has treated the indigenous population of Palestine in much the same manner.
MURDER as COVER for
THEFT and OPPRESSION
is NOT *self-defense*
It’s a war crime.
—–
“The trick of declaring war against the armed resistance and then attacking the resisters’ unarmed kin as well as the surrounding population with the most gruesome products of Death-Science — this trick is not new. American Pioneers were pioneers in this too; they made it standard practice to declare war on indigenous warriors and then to murder and burn villages with only women and children in them. This is already modern war, what we know as war against civilian populations; it has also been called, more candidly, mass murder or genocide.
Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised that the perpetrators of a Pogrom portray themselves as the victims, in the present case as victims of the Holocaust.
Herman Melville noticed over a century ago, in his analysis of the metaphysics of Indian-hating, that those who made a full-time profession of hunting and murdering indigenous people of this continent always made themselves appear, even in their own eyes, as the victims of manhunts.
The use the Nazis made of the International Jewish Conspiracy is better known: during all the years of atrocities defying belief, the Nazis considered themselves the victimized.
It’s as if the experience of being a victim gave exemption from human solidarity, as if it gave special powers, as if it gave a license to kill.”
~ Fredy Perlman
LanceThruster
@TTT:
“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben Gurion
— Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.
LanceThruster
@J R in WV:
The Battle for Palestine
By William R. Polk
LanceThruster
Donald Neff: a Journalist Erased From History for Reporting on Palestine
by Alison Weir
LanceThruster
@TTT:
“If they come for the innocent without stepping over your body, cursed be your religion and your life.”
– Philip Berrigan