Can't make this up. Walter Palmer dental office morphed into makeshift memorial. Suppose #CecilTheLion in foreground pic.twitter.com/tW59sUuB3J
— Paul Blume (@PaulBlume_FOX9) July 28, 2015
More info on the human filth who killed that lion:
The incident is not Palmer’s first brush with authorities.
In 2008, he pleaded guilty in federal court in Wisconsin to misleading a federal agent in connection with the hunting of a black bear. Two years earlier, Palmer killed a bear near Phillips, in Price County. That location was 40 miles outside of the zone where he held a permit to hunt bear. Palmer and others transported the bear carcass to a registration station inside the allowed hunting zone, according to court documents, and at the station, he falsely certified that the bear had been killed in the legal zone.
Facing a maximum penalty of five years in prison, Palmer was sentenced to one year’s probation and fined nearly $3,000.
In the spring of 2003, Palmer also was convicted in Otter Tail County in western Minnesota and paid a small fine for fishing without a license, a misdemeanor.
And in 2009, Palmer agreed to a settlement with the Minnesota Board of Dentistry over allegations that he sexually harassed a receptionist. She alleged that Palmer made comments about her breasts, buttocks and genitalia.
Without admitting guilt, Palmer settled and paid $127,500 to the woman, who also was his patient. The settlement included references to his bear-hunting conviction and “substandard record keeping.”
A real charmer. He apparently has 43 big game kills, including another lion and an elephant.
satby
I hope he ends up in jail in Zimbabwe. After he’s hit with ruinous fines and his license to practice is revoked. Karma.
BGinCHI
Hero on the right in 3, 2, 1….
JPL
John, I do think this picture should be on the front page… link
Also, you know he didn’t mean to kill a local favorite, don’t you. He just meant to kill a non local favorite.
rikyrah
This is a pattern for him. Arrest his azz.
Major Major Major Major
Sexual harassment, serial poaching, enjoys torturing animals, dentist…
Classic sociopath.
KJSBrooklyn
I would like to defend dentists. I love my dentist, a lovely older woman who loves her job. She has said she likes it because most of the problems she encounters, she can fix.
shell
Just waiting for Stephen Doocy or Joe Scarborough to find a way to defend him.
dmsilev
@shell: I’m waiting for some right-winger to argue that the lion had it coming.
(“It should have known better than to go out wearing such a short mane. And all those cubs with several different lionesses; clearly lacking in morals”)
Gex
This is why I don’t believe he thought this was legal like he pretends. Evil jackholes are always trying to convince you they are incompetent rather than evil.
There’s too much track record indicating he’s the kind of guy who doesn’t really care to know or follow the rules because clearly they should not apply to him.
Davebo
Why are you all being so cruel??
He used a compound bow after all (well, until he used a gun for the final kill shot).
Surely Obama should use his Africa skills to have this man safely returned home!
OK, he’s an are no doubt. I’m amazed he’s not in custody. How hard can it be to find the dentist from the midwest in Zimbabwe?
Mike in NC
@shell: Almost guaranteed an appearance on Hannity next week. Sean will wear a pith helmet and safari jacket that he saw in an old Tarzan movie.
Calouste
If I were a insurance company that is dealing with this guy, I’d go through all his invoices with a magnifying glass. Wouldn’t be surprised if fraud was one of the other sociopathic behavior he exhibits.
Mike in NC
@Major Major Major Major: An unusual number of dentists and veterinarians fit this profile. My state senator is a part-time vet and full-time Tea Party maggot.
dr. bloor
Someone’s going to start digging into this guy’s financials, and it’s going to be vewwy, vewwy interesting reading.
Ruviana
@KJSBrooklyn: Don’t worry. This guy would’ve been an evil scumbag if he’d run a flower shop.
I haven’t been able to take much of this in, or have I been so upset about something like this since Tunch died. This is my response to animals; I react to human death differently. Anyone here who can’t bear to watch the Humane Society commercials knows what I mean.
shell
Looks like his dentistry web site is down, after pleading with people, “cmon, its just a lion; this is our lively hood. “
Botsplainer
@Calouste:
Most dentistry (particularly cosmetic) is uninsured.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
There are a lot of things about myself that I’ve come to realize in the five years since I was diagnosed as autistic. One of them is that I can feel empathically connected to animals in a way that I just can’t with humans. I don’t know why that’s the case, but it’s true. So something like this is especially painful for me.
So, yeah, I’m that guy who can get angrier about this than I can about a human murder. Sue me.
SarahT
Extremely OT but right now (8:30pm ET), Turner Classics is showing an entire evening of amazing, rarely shown Les Blank documentaries about New Orleans and Cajun & Creole culture. Totlly amazing footage from the late 70’s right now. Just gorgeous.
Steve From Antioch
As a lifelong hunter, this story sickens me, as does “trophy” hunting in general.
JPL
Has anyone mentioned that he is a good family man and a good Christian yet?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@efgoldman: Hah! I haven’t supported the dental industry in almost twenty years. I just happen to be blessed with teeth that need no maintenance work.
dr. bloor
@Major Major Major Major:
So do you think the R’s will put him up against Franken or Klobuchar?
Major Major Major Major
You know who else hated animals?
Oh, wait.
JPL
@dr. bloor: Maybe Romney will return the money he received from him.
ahhahahahahahahhahaah
MD Rackham
Headline soon to appear:
Cecil Was No Angel.
SiubhanDuinne
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
I couldn’t possibly. You’re one of the very few people I’ve ever known/seen on the Internet who correctly uses “empathically” instead of the cringe-inducing “empathetically.” So thank you.
Roger Moore
@Calouste:
It would certainly help to pay for expensive
poachinghunting trips.dm
@Major Major Major Major:
JPL
@MD Rackham: lol Maybe he imagined what sleeping on granite counter tops would be like. .
Roger Moore
@Mike in NC:
The vet my family took our pets to when I was growing up went on to become a US Senator. He was apparently a fine vet, but not a fine legislator.
Major Major Major Major
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: I’m only an aspie, but I definitely know where you’re coming from.
Botsplainer
@efgoldman:
Somewhere about 20 years ago, I’d gone for a spell without dental visits for three years. I bit the bullet and reported in. Guy told me I needed a scaling, this, that and the other, and told me it would be three visits and at least $1200. As I walked out the door, I turned around to say goodbye – and caught the office manager quietly mouthing “cha-CHING” to the dentist.
Found a new dentist, did regular work, no problem.
Major Major Major Major
@MD Rackham:
He was African… and what kind of last name is “the lion”, anyway? Muslim?
b-more
So he can spend $55,000 to kill a lion but can’t even pay for a fucking fishing license.
Keith P.
Brush with authorities….kudos to the author for that one.
Roger Moore
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
This isn’t something you can compare to a run-of-the-mill murder. There was a hell of a lot of planning (i.e. detailed premeditation) and then a callous disregard by letting the wounded animal escape to die slowly and painfully. Not to mention that it’s not the first time he’s done this kind of thing. It’s much more like a serial killer luring a victim home and then torturing them to death.
dogwood
Walter Palmer will be one of the right wing martyrs of this election cycle. I expect an exclusive interview with Hannity within the next week.
tBone
@Major Major Major Major:
In the dark it’s easy to mistake a GPS collar for a hoodie. Palmer was just standing his ground against a feline thug.
Iowa Old Lady
@Roger Moore: My US senator castrates hogs.
gelfling545
@KJSBrooklyn: I get treatment at the University of Buffalo Dental School. So far the students who have treated me have been pretty cool folks as well as very competent.
JPL
@Iowa Old Lady: OMG… The republican ads for the next election write themselves. Have you killed an animal today. The NRA approves this message.
John Cole
@MD Rackham: I tweeted that I thought it was so funny and people are laughing.
Patrick
@MD Rackham:
Not only that; soon FoxNews and the GOP will demand that “now is not the right to time to talk about this” and “why are the supporters of Cecil trying to politicize his murder”?
People like this dentist makes me ashamed of being a human.
Major Major Major Major
@MD Rackham: And he was poly, to boot. Totally asking for it.
Laertes
For months now it’s been hard as hell to read your site. Latest Chrome on Windows 7, and about one day in three the browser tab dies while trying to load the page. I see this only on your site. No idea what might be causing it.
askew
Oh, fuck. This guy is from my hometown. I live in the city next door now but grew up in Eden Prairie. How embarassing.
Mike in NC
@efgoldman: My dentist kept telling me that I needed to have the silver fillings on my back molars replaced by crowns, at a tune of about $800 each. My response was that they’ve lasted almost 40 years and they’ll probably be good for another 40.
trollhattan
@MD Rackham:
Dear God, you’re right.
Ricky Gervais is uncharacteristically out of words, but I still like it.
Major Major Major Major
@Laertes: Listing your extensions would help. I’m running linux so I can’t really comment otherwise.
max
@Roger Moore: It’s much more like a serial killer luring a victim home and then torturing them to death.
It is precisely and exactly like a serial killer torturing a victim. Human or animal, the guy is getting off on inflicting suffering, particularly since he used *bait* while bow-hunting, which completely negates any claim to being some kind of great (white) hunter. Serial killers also regard their targets as animals, besides, so there’s no distinction except for the particular target.
max
[‘That’s a psychopath though, not (particularly) a sociopath.’]
p.s. I just remember, a therapist I had years ago pointed out the obvious – a lot of dentists are simply in it so they can inflict pain. But that’s usually good enough. This guy is beyond that.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Laertes: The problem is with Elon James White’s posts. They have a script in them that makes the site unreadable for a lot of people. I’m frustrated enough by this story that I’m hanging around anyway, even though I have to use my backup browser and deal with script errors every time I comment or refresh.
celticdragonchick
@Steve From Antioch:
This.
I like venison. I have no problem with deer hunting or procuring meat.
This kind of trophy hunting sickens me.
Judge Crater
Rush Limbaugh will come to his defense. I remember him once talking derisively about elephants in S.E. Asia that were getting maimed by left over munitions from the war in Vietnam. Feet getting blown off and stuff. He couldn’t understand the concern for other creatures on the planet.
Bet on it.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@max: I’m pretty sure that the reason they used bait was because Cecil lived in a game preserve where hunting was illegal. They needed to get him outside the park before they could kill him. This blows apart all of his claims of ignorance that what they were doing was wrong, because he knew they were luring him out.
Unfortunately, I’ve read that the punishment for poaching is a $20,000 fine and that they don’t think they can give him jail time, though they’re trying to find something.
Steve From Antioch
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: maybe there is a 65 minute podcast you could listen to that would explain how to fix the problem…
Major Major Major Major
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Slate has a piece (i gotta run but i’m sure you can find it) about how the charge would be bribery, which is much worse.
RandomMonster
The wingnuts will claim we’re all a bunch of rabid anti-dentites.
Roger Moore
@Judge Crater:
He doesn’t understand concern for other humans, so it should come as no surprise that he doesn’t understand concern for non-human animals.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Zimbabwe has the poaching charge, but there is a potential US case under the FCPA.
boatboy_srq
So much for all his protestations about hunting “legally and responsibly.” Predictably.
Mandalay
@max:
In the same way that a lot of doctors are simply in it to see naughty parts, and a lot of dry cleaners are simply in it to sniff crotches, and a lot of plumbers are simply in it to lick toilet bowls.
It’s all so obvious.
SuzieC
Human filth. Agree that dentists are sociopathic RWNJs. My (former) dental assistant would spout RWNJ gun worshipping BS while probing my teeth with razor sharp thingies. I think they do it on purpose.
Death Panel Truck
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: It’s not your teeth you need to be concerned about. It’s your gums. They are by no means maintenance free.
J R in WV
I’m just hoping the Zimbabwe authorities go for extradition, and he gets 5 years in their prison. Or more.
At least the locals now know what a piece of crap has been hiding in their midst. And he puts those hands in people’s mouths!!!
It is to puke! My dentist gets upset if I flinch, he hates to cause pain, and works hard to prevent that.
I bet this guy enjoys hearing his patients whimper. I had a dentist like that once. Once.
Mike in NC
@dogwood: Also, too, defense from Dick Cheney.
seaboogie
@MD Rackham: Black mane? Nuh-uh. That was a hoodie. Prolly had skittles in his pocket too.
ms_canadada
Van Pelt in Jumanji.
trollhattan
This guy was my friends’ family dentist. The wife was always curious why she never received his “special treatment.”
.
Am truly grateful to have had a fantastic dentist for ages, my family now see him too and his son, equally nice, is taking over the practice. Would hate to have to go shopping for one at this point, but screening based on no dead animals on the wall seems like a reasonable start.
Mary G
I just checked Memeorandum, and I don’t have one of those things where it marks posts with red and blue, but it looks like the right wing blogs are practicing radio silence on this one. Even they can’t take his side yet.
I’m sure it won’t last.
gf120581
Might I suggest that next time Mr. Palmer gets in the mind to go hunting, he take a trip to Yellowstone, fall off a cliff and get eaten by wolves.
muddy
@different-church-lady: Probably he’s sitting right there, but he’s not going to bring it up when there are several who might answer back and not just me.
@cmorenc: That bullshit is not legal here. In fact they even banned the use of chemical lures (doe piss and etc). No luring with food, salt licks, or lights either. Nor yet road hunting, driving about hoping to see one and shoot it right from the truck.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Omnes Omnibus: It won’t be the FCPA, which pertains specifically to bribery “in order to assist such issuer in obtaining or retaining business for or with, or directing business to, any person.”
What the Slate article mentioned was the Travel Act, which I not only know nothing about, but hadn’t even heard of until I read the piece.
trollhattan
@efgoldman:
And dull drill bits. Never forget the dull bits, stalling in the excavation. And oh, pre-disposable syringe needles they’d autoclave and reuse.
Good times.
Mike in NC
I always thought the character played by Lawrence Olivier in “Marathon Man” represented a sympathetic dentist.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
Once enough DFHs jump in they’ll have to. Cleek’s Law and all. Steve King will introduce a “Freedom to Take All Species, Everywhere” act. There will be speeches and rejoicing.
raven
@efgoldman: Including my narrow ass!
raven
@efgoldman: The kicked it and reused it!
MomSense
Feeling good about my decision to go to the vegan dentist.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
Here’s an attempt to feel better about the world.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: first time I heard of the FCPA was in law school; second time was on an Adam sandler movie; and now this.
Not sure what it means but that’s the company you’re in. Congrats!
mellowjohn
youtu.be/bOtMizMQ6oM
Scott Alloway
@Steve From Antioch: Agree. One does not hunt for “sport.” Sickens me beyond belief.
Elizabelle
Can we have a non-Cecil open thread? I can’t stand to hear the story. Caught the outline; that’s enough.
gbear
Ben Shapiro has tweeted in support of the lion killer. I hope he gets ripped to shreds for it. I’m not going to link.
Jeffro
@Mike in NC: Only if Cecil was shot in the face.
(too soon?)
ArchTeryx
Here’s my take on it, since the human side of it’s been done to death, and I fully agree with the chorus at how rancid the whole canned-hunt industry is.
Lions are very interesting felids. They’ve long had a man-eating reputation, but are far less dangerous to humans then tigers. (Though rogue lions can do an amazing amount of damage, most lions aren’t rogues).
Why is that?
Lions are social cats, pretty much the only social cat save for our pooties. If you get a lion used to being around people and keep them well fed, they can be very genial companions. The big risk with lions, even tame ones, is the Lenny Syndrome: “I had a little friend once, but he don’t move no more.” Lions not knowing their own strength, or that the funny looking furless lions are far more fragile, is by far the bigger risk then one deciding you’d go well with fava beans and a nice Chianti.
So what does all this have to do with this story? Socialized lions are ideal for canned hunts. Tigers, even tigers used to being around people, can be insanely dangerous – they’re solitary, and if they wake up grumpy, they might just decide today’s a great day for taking your head off. Can hunters aren’t looking for real danger. They’re looking for an animal they can walk up to and shoot, which is exactly what Dr. Safari did to poor Cecil.
There’s always a price to be paid for getting animals used to being around people. It makes them far more sympathetic, but far less ready to defend themselves.
mai naem mobile
I wonder if the establishment GOP will bring this up to connect it to Trump’s son being a small dick big game hunter. I know the GOP is dumb but I don’t see them making this guy a sympathetic guy. He might be able to get away with the lion killing but the other side will start with the other pictures and I don’t think a polar bear, a black bear, a leopard etc etc would go down well even with a lot of republicans.
Jeffro
@trollhattan: Oh absolutely. Can you imagine if they just thought strategically for a second, came out as a unified GOP and said, “yeah, this guy is a jerk and deserves everything he has coming to him”?
Everyone on the left would drop dead of a heart attack out of shock/surprise, and suddenly Rove would have his “permanent majority”.
Craig
I hunt deer, turkey, and squirrel. Whatever I kill goes to the table to feed my family.
This guy is an asshole. No ethical hunter should defend him.
LWA
Headline from Politico (no link- you’re welcome):
Donald Trump: I would tap Sarah Palin for a Cabinet post.
I couldn’t even finish that sentence without giggling.
J R in WV
@efgoldman: This was my first dental experience to a T.
And by the time I was 16, they had to drill out every filling he had installed, because he didn’t get all the decay out before he crammed that amalgam into the tiny hole.
Ouch!
This guy, though, there’s a special place for him.
Linnaeus
Come to think of it, the uncle of a friend of mine is 1) a dentist, 2) a conservative and 3) a hunter who has some trophies on his wall from hunting trips he took to Africa.
In all fairness, though, I have to say that, as far as I know, he’s not an asshole like this guy. He’s never been anything but kind and generous to me.
EdinNJ
@Mary G:
Here’s the angle the nutjobs are going to take, as I’ve already seen some comments around the internet:
“All this outrage over a lion, but silence about aborted baby parts for sale.”
RK
The guy’s a jerk but male lions are no picnic either.
J R in WV
@muddy:
WV DNR places robo-bucks in likely places up around hunting country. They can make it look around, and flip his tail.
And when the shot rings out, the DNR rangers pop out of their spots and take Mr Big Game Hunter into custody. They confiscate their weapons, and their truck.
No hunting from the road here, either.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: Donald Duck?
muddy
@J R in WV: We have some of those here too. Sometimes they are on a little track so they can move along a bit.
Linnaeus
@efgoldman:
Well, he’s not my uncle, but that of a friend of mine.
That said, you do have to wonder…
Dan
If dentists are shooting lions, King Moonraiser better watch out for when Hermey returns to the Island of Misfit Toys.
cthulhu
@max:
Not sure that therapist was all that great.
Let me first say that there are plenty of highly professional and ethical dentists out there. Still, it is a profession that requires an advanced degree (they are doctors after all) but not that difficult of one, pays well but where your hours can be very flexible: you are usually your own boss very quickly.
Thus I would suspect that they are more likely to be libertarians.
Well, so maybe they don’t mind so much seeing other people in pain after all.
Craig
@efgoldman: A squirrel’s not going to make a nice Thanksgiving centerpiece, but one squirrel makes a reasonable serving. More meat than a quail, less than a Cornish hen. Plenty of people look down their noses at squirrel, but I think they have a lovely, delicate flavor.
RSA
@LWA:
I saw that on Memeorandum! Also of note:
Heliopause
Really, the only difference between this guy and Cosby is that Cosby at least left his victims alive.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
One of the best dental experiences I’ve ever had was a dental tech in boot camp. Did the x-rays, noticed a small cavity, asked me if I wanted it filled. I asked him if he was qualified, he said yes, that’s over 45 yrs ago, still have that filling and it was the most pain free work I’ve ever had done, from the first shot to getting out of the chair. My worst was at the other end of boot camp. I made a vow to myself that killing someone over dental work probably wouldn’t be a good idea. There have been times over the last 45 yrs that I question that decision.
SuperHrefna
I need to hug my cats extra close tonight. Poor Cecil.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The dentist I had growing up was a nasty prick, put me off the profession for a long time, and I later had to have the major repair work you might expect. Never had a problem with any of my dentists as an adult.
As for this guy, let him hunt the Milwaukee lion with a pointy stick and a rock
RaflW
@gbear: It kinda reads like Ben thinks surfers are bait. Well, actually it reads like Ben is a major a$$hole, but also in a backwards way that he might think surfers can be considered like bait to sharks (in order to punch them in the nose, in case you are wondering – which you shouldn’t because Ben Shapiro is an a$$hole).
lamh36
OT…but….SHITTT!
SuperHrefna
@lamh36: I knew there was something screwy about that shooting. I bet we all did – the cops story never held up. At this point I think it is a civic duty to film every interaction police have with African Americans because the police have shown they just can’t be trusted.
John Revolta
I had an orthodontist when I was 12 or 13 who used to pass out literature about foreigners picking Uncle Sam’s pockets and yanking on his beard when there wasn’t enough etc. When I was 15 or so and the braces came off he wouldn’t take the usual “After” photos because by then I had grown my hair long and he hated me. Also the guy I went to last summer sent me home with some very weird libertarian book he had put out himself.
Meanwhile, male lions spend most of their time lying around looking majestic and maybe watching the kids while the womenfolk go out and kill stuff and bring it home for dinner.
I can’t help but conclude that lions are a far more highly evolved species than dentists.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
The Ballad of John and Yoko?
Roger Moore
@RSA:
So he wants to tap that ass?
SFAW
@Roger Moore:
“It’s YOOOGE and very clASSy!”
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman:
I prefer not to.
pseudonymous in nc
Fuck dentists, mostly. They are generally what you end up when you start with doctors and take away empathy.
cmorenc
@Craig:
How does it compare to possum meat?
cmorenc
@pseudonymous in nc:
One difference +1 for the dentists is that most of them will give you nitrous oxide for painful procedures – whereas M.D.s will tell you if a little numbing up isn’t good enough, suck it up and quit being a pussy. OK, so they’ll find more polite language than that, but empathy, schmenpathy. I know this not only from being a patient of other doctors, but I come from a whole family of doctors (father, wife, daughter).
Ruckus
@pseudonymous in nc:
I’ve known some docs other than professionally and some of them were pompous arrogant assholes with all the empathy of a pile of dog shit. Many were not. I’m not sure any profession is the problem, it’s some humans.
Craig
@cmorenc: As for possum, I’ve never had the pleasure–although it was considered quite the delicacy here in my neck of the woods a hundred years ago or so. (Google “William Howard Taft Possum” Seriously.) I am told that the preferred technique with possum is to trap them in a no-injure trap and feed them on milk for a few weeks before sending them to the kitchen. But I really don’t know a lot about it. When I meet a possum in the woods he (or she) generally keeps shuffling along without taking any notice of me.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Roger Moore:
Gee, so you got the joke! Congratulations, and thanks for explaining it to the rest of us.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Don’t forget the last line of the chorus, since it’s somewhat more Christian-y than the first.
Be interesting if that was followed up with Working Class Hero.
SFAW
@efgoldman:
What line? What are you talking about?
Do I know you?
(Wanders off to drool and mumble …. )
ETA: “The way things are going, they’re going to crucify me”
In case you REALLY couldn’t remember it.
As I said, more Christian-y
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: That time of the night again?
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
You mean the drooling and mumbling? No, that’s pretty much constant.
You know how Amir (and a few others) were referred to as “universally beloved” or “respected commentor” and so forth? For me it’s “perpetually befuddled.”
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: I get “he just won’t shut up,” so there’s that.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s the lawyer in you.
I get mine from reading Deps all day — first the eyes cross, then the mumbling starts, followed closely by the drooling. Thank FSM for keyboard covers.
WaynersT
The Safari Club International seems to be the home base to these jackbirds – the photo galleries….ugh
facebook.com/sciorangecounty/photos/pb.180368692006294.-2207520000.1438143094./749728311736993/?type…
humans are such shit
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: One shouldn’t worry about what is in the deps: the party or witness will say something completely contradictory on the stand anyway.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
All I have is the deps. And the witness (typically the plaintiff) usually contradicts himself within the deps themselves.
Part of my job is finding the contradictions. It’s wicked pissah fun.
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: Have you considered keeping a ball peen hammer in your office for when you absolutely positively must be unconscious immediately?
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
I had not thought of that. Much obliged.
That’s why I come here – for the expert legal advice.
ETA: And the credenzas
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: I am glad to have helped.
Morzer
Walter Palmer was just standing his ground!
(And Tom Brady just wanted his balls to be normal).
Morzer
@Omnes Omnibus:
I find a hardcover of Atlas Smugged to be quite effective.
Omnes Omnibus
@Morzer: Never underestimate the effectiveness of cold hard steel.
PAULA DENMON
@satby:
I hope he is mangled, suffers 40 hours, then dies..alone and soon.
sm*t cl*de
It is precisely and exactly like a serial killer torturing a victim. Human or animal, the guy is getting off on inflicting suffering
I guess his patients mostly know that now. They also know that he was over-charging them immensely in order to indulge his hobby.
No GoFundMe fundraiser yet from the MRAs and white supremacists?
Another Holocene Human
@max: I think this has more to do with the person’s level of sadism. That could be indicative of psychopathy, sociopathy, or malignant narcissism. It’s hard to tell without more information. Psychopathy is caused by brain injury or organic brain defect and there are other symptoms. The latter two are personality disorders basically caused by life. But it’s the level of sadism that is the precursor to that sort of cruelty. Probably all humans have it to some degree, but as this thread (and the Freep thread) shows, most people are disgusted at the thought of inflicting this sort of needless cruelty. And this guy had done it before. He knew.
So yeah, pretty scary guy. But there needs to be a lot more info before we start diagnosing personality disorders.
Another Holocene Human
@Mary G:
They’ll be quiet up and until Zimbabwe tries to indict him. Then they will fall out screaming. The idea that a “dirt-bag” country could charge and extradite an American terrifies them. I guess they have guilty consciences or something.
AnonPhenom
$5 will getcha’ $10, Ted Nugent fan. Asshole!
Another Holocene Human
@WaynersT: They’re all scum, and this isn’t the first time one of their lot has ended up all over social media, although this case was far more egregious.
I guess they can’t hunt and stuff the Poors, so this is the next best thing.
AndoChronic
As a Minnesotan I apologize to the Zimbabwean people for the atrocious and negligent behavior of one of our own. I encourage your government to exercise your country’s extradition rights to the fullest extent possible in this matter against Walter Palmer. Again, so sorry for your loss. R.I.P Cecil.
wuzzat
@Another Holocene Human: As a group, they can’t afford to speak against until they know if the NRA is going to come out swinging.
As individuals — well, no one’s got a defense for this. If Dr. Scrivello here had gone wandering into the savanna with just his wits and a rifle and shot hisself a lion, some of them would probably, at the very least, be pulling the “how can you support killing fetuses but lose your shit over an animal” bs that tends to get bounced around during any sort of animal cruelty debates. But luring an animal out of a nature preserve for a canned hunt? That’s not just the mark of a cruel and shitty human being. By hunters’ rules, it’s also the mark of a poorly skilled, irresponsible hunter who has to cheat to win.
Paul in KY
@tBone: You take today’s internets!
Paul in KY
@Craig: No problem with your hunting. Just kill em as quickly as possible.
Paul in KY
@LWA: So, he’d screw Sarah! if that meant he’d get a cabinet post in a hypothetical Palin administration. It might take that….
StringOnAStick
@SuzieC: That wasn’t a dental assistant, which are unlicensed and work assisting the dentist, that was a registered dental hygienist, which is the license I hold as well. Crappy practices have dentists who dump the “less complex” parts of procedures on the dental assistants, who are many times just some woman the dentist hired and trained himself. If someone is “cleaning” your teeth and it is not a licensed RDH, this is expressly illegal; you can sue and get the dentist in huge trouble.
Yes, dentistry is predominantly right wing but there are liberals out there and I am lucky enough to work for one now. My first job was with a winger who was into upselling and over-treating, and eventually got busted for it (I had quit long before this). His penalty? Having his license revoked for a month; I was completely disgusted. It was the insurance companies who busted him to the dental board.
I worked as a temp RDH for the last 6 years, and that means I worked in a LOT of different offices. Most dentists are conservative, some are wingers, and one (the creepiest and least sterile office I’ve been in) was a tea party loon. Most of them are smart enough to keep anything controversial out of any conversations, including bumper stickers, but this guys car was covered in them.
If you find a liberal or democratic dentist, tell you friends and support their practice! They guy I work for now will occasionally talk politics with patients he knows, and he has a really full practice with really loyal patients because (1) he doesn’t upsell anything and doesn’t push services, (2) he tells people the truth about what they need to plan for, and (3) he’s an actual human being who cares about more than money. His staff loves him for it.
MCA1
@Another Holocene Human: That’s probably right. If Zimbabwe actually attempts to have a U.S. citizen extradited, the immediate response (regardless what actually occurs in response) will be that Obama’s bending over backward to accommodate lesser countries and this would never happen with any other president in the history of the great goshdarned US of A. A real president would withhold aid and tell Zimbabwe to fuck off on live TV, probably calling it Rhodesia on purpose just to cheese them off even more. The idea that “rule of law” extends not only to a rich, white guy, but outside our own borders (and not just in the UK at that!), and isn’t negated by American Exceptionalism applied at the individual level to every U.S. citizen anywhere anytime, is a foreign (no pun intended) concept to some.
Plus, it’s just an easy Fauxtrage dumping target and excuse to blame something on Obama.
SFAW
@MCA1:
The only excuse they need is that it’s a day ending with the letter “y.”
mike with a mic
@StringOnAStick: rosslyndentist.com/
Mine, he’s a good guy. If you’re in the DC area give him a call. Great guy, loves his staff, takes great care of them. It’s a family practice, his father is still there. They treat you right, prices can be steep for some things, but he really tries to stop problems before it reaches that point. Most of the staff has been there, shit for over the decade since I started there, turn over is unheard of there. He treats and pays his people very, very, very, very well. Which makes sense, Rosslyn is Georgetown level expensive, studios selling for over a million bucks happens here. 300k-400k is about the normal.
He’s of the mindset that if he can’t pay his people enough to live close to work, he’s failing as the leader of this mess. He’ll also negotiate the rate if you can’t pay, he gets that some of his customers are workers at Whole Foods or CVS, he’ll cut out his take and give you time to pay. Plus he’s gay and minority friendly.
He does fish though. The family goes on deep sea trips for sword fish and sharks, but they fish and release! Unless it’s something they wanted to eat (ie small fish). But they release all sharks and other top items.
Great practice all around!