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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / Open Thread: The Pope, He’s on Everybody’s List!

Open Thread: The Pope, He’s on Everybody’s List!

by Anne Laurie|  September 24, 20159:19 pm| 86 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Religion, Ever Get The Feeling You've Been Cheated?

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I really want to hear a GOPer say "Religion needs to stay out of politics," so secularists everywhere can say, "I KNOW, RIGHT?!?!"

— NonProphetess (@nonprophetess) September 24, 2015

I like the parts of the Pope’s speech that agree with my longstanding policy views. The other parts weren’t as good. Weird coincidence.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) September 24, 2015

If Pope won't give your hard RW social agenda vocal support, there's an easy solution: Lie your ass off & say he did. http://t.co/WuJ73y16hL

— Billmon (@billmon1) September 24, 2015

From the Bloomberg Politics article:

… “Pope Francis has been a powerful voice for life at a time when life is profoundly threatened in America,” Cruz said. “Pope Francis has been a powerful voice for marriage at a time when five unelected judges are seeking to tear down marriage laws across this country. And Pope Francis has been a powerful voice for religious liberty at a time when the Obama administration is waging a relentless war against religious liberty.”…

The Texas senator, an outspoken critic of illegal immigration, sounded less moved by Pope Francis’ impassioned call to be compassionate toward people who “travel north in search of a better life,” a reference to the recent wave of undocumented immigrants to the U.S., many of whom have fled violence in Central America.

“When we speak of welcoming immigrants, I believe that should refer to legal immigrants,” said Cruz, who noted that he’s the “son of an immigrant who came from Cuba legally.” He added that “we should celebrate legal immigrants” and “show compassion to people across the globe.”

In his long section on immigration, Pope Francis, a son of Italian immigrants to Argentina, said, “We the people of this continent are not fearful of foreigners, because most of us were once foreigners. I say this to you as the son of immigrants, knowing that so many of you are also descended from immigrants.”…

Waiting for the inevitable outrage that the Pope challenged congress to actually do something resembling a job.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) September 24, 2015

1960: "JFK might take orders from the Pope!" 2004: "Kerry won't take orders from the Pope!" 2015: "Obama might take orders from the Pope!"

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) September 23, 2015

OOPS: Pope Francis didn’t mention Jesus Christ even a single time in his speech before Congress. http://t.co/QLSQKVcXgX

— The Federalist (@FDRLST) September 24, 2015

"By the way I still believe in God," said the Pope, noted God person. "Do you mean Ronald Reagan?" said the federalist, identifying himself.

— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) September 24, 2015

im still laughing at mike huckabee trying to complain to a jesuit pope on twitter about obama

— there all is aching (@andymoney69) September 24, 2015

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Programming note: The ‘below the fold’ cheat-code commentor Robert Waldmann and Betty Cracker kindly shared isn’t working on this fershluginer machine, at least as far as I can tell. Sorry about that!

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    September 24, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    OOPS: Pope Francis didn’t mention Jesus Christ even a single time in his speech before Congress.

    He mentioned Moses. Must be one of those Jewish popes.

  2. 2.

    Elizabelle

    September 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    New thread. So much to think about.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    September 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Wacha thinkin?

  4. 4.

    Jeffro

    September 24, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    I really want to hear a GOPer say “Religion needs to stay out of politics,” so secularists everywhere can say, “I KNOW, RIGHT?!?!”

    it’s right up there with wanting to see Reince Priebus lead the charge for getting big money out of politics: “Billionaires and unlimited PAC donations need to stay out of politics”, said Mr. Priebus.

    /wish

  5. 5.

    JPL

    September 24, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Anne, How did you like the speech. I think I’m a tad older than you, but he reminds me of the time where you helped your neighbor, rather than shame them about being different.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    September 24, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    @efgoldman:

    All the good contemplative threads are in the middle of the day.

  7. 7.

    redshirt

    September 24, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    This is one groovy Pope.

  8. 8.

    srv

    September 24, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    At least Yglesias has some modicum of self-awareness.

  9. 9.

    raven

    September 24, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    @Elizabelle: I have to drive to the south side of the ATL at 5:30am, I’m out!

  10. 10.

    Betty Cracker

    September 24, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Slurs of Washington 3, Giants of New York 15. Was there a safety?

  11. 11.

    gene108

    September 24, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    five unelected judges are seeking to tear down

    Clearly, Sen. Cruz, the Senate no longer votes to confirm Supreme Court Justices…

    Reagan, Bush, Sr., Clinton, Bush, Jr. and Obama just appoints people to the Supreme Court willy-nilly without the Senate getting a vote.

    What a fucking moron.

  12. 12.

    benw

    September 24, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Given what we now know about CTE, a “hard-hitting safety” is an oxymoron.

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    September 24, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman: I’m sorry I missed it! I have a special Safety Dance!

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    September 24, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @gene108: No, no, judges who rule the way Ted Cruz likes were properly approved by the Senate, and the ones who don’t rule the way he likes were forced down the throats of the nation by activist Presidents….

    …like Ronald “Anthony Kennedy” Reagan.

  15. 15.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    @gene108:

    Ted Cruz (would have) voted for the four non-tearing-down elected judges. Well, three elected judges and then there’s Clarence Thomas, the erected judge.

  16. 16.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 24, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    Here’s what I think: the guys in the band Kansas were tripping when they wrote the music for ‘Point of Know Return.’

  17. 17.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 24, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    @Betty Cracker: LOL, then LMAO

  18. 18.

    Haydnseek

    September 24, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    “I have a little list.! He never would be missed!”

  19. 19.

    Chris

    September 24, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    If Pope won’t give your hard RW social agenda vocal support, there’s an easy solution: Lie your ass off & say he did.

    They’ve been doing that for a while. Back when he was first chosen as Pope, I remember an article circulating on Facebook that was actually a (fake) interview of the Pope a few years earlier, in which the man was pretty much verbatim giving the standard neoliberal line (“of course we want to help the poor. Free markets help the poor. Statism is bad.” Etc).

    The only problem is this Pope’s making it a lot harder than your typical Catholic authority figure for people to get away with that.

  20. 20.

    cmorenc

    September 24, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    Senior year in high school, in one class I sat behind a sweet, but not to bright classmate who called the Pope the “Poke” – in all sincerity, not being a smart-ass.

  21. 21.

    dedc79

    September 24, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @efgoldman: It’s not just lousy teams. It’s these thursday night games. When teams are playing on three days rest, the games will be sloppy, no matter who is playing.

    Not that the NFL cares about quality.

  22. 22.

    Betty Cracker

    September 24, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    @efgoldman: I thought it was just me and the lame-ass teams I watch, but yeah, noticeably substandard lately all around. I know you have a thing about people complaining about the refs, but the officiating has been suckier too, IMO.

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    Gotta link it.

    Lenny Bruce, Christ & Moses.

  24. 24.

    2liberal

    September 24, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    correct spelling is “furshlugginer”

  25. 25.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 24, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    @dedc79:

    Not that the NFL cares about quality.

    Slouching towards FIFA, so say we all.

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Football?

    It’s football season again, a time for tailgating, touchdowns, and traumatic brain injuries. Only a few weeks into the National Football League’s season, there have already been 14 concussions.…
     
    To make matters worse, new research on the brains of deceased former football players found high rates of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE)—a degenerative disease believed to stem from repetitive brain injury.
     
    Frontline reported on numbers from the Department of Veterans Affairs and Boston University, where researchers studied the brains of 165 people who played football at the high school, college, or professional level. They found evidence of CTE in 131 of them—79 percent. Of the brains studied, 91 of them belonged to former NFL players, and 87 of those 91 (96 percent) had signs of CTE. Source

  27. 27.

    BruceFromOhio

    September 24, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    A dandelion by any other name is still a weed.

  28. 28.

    dedc79

    September 24, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    @BruceFromOhio: Phill Simms keeps asking why it’s so quiet at the game. Well, the teams both stink. It’s a thursday night. They knocked down the old stadium that had pretty great acoustics for crowd noise and replaced it with a sterile building designed to maximize box seats. And the Giants and Jets forced all their season ticket holders to shell out thousands of dollars for licenses that give them the right to then pay for season tickets. In the process, they priced a lot of their most loyal, knowledgeable, and loudest fans out of attending games. That’s why it’s so quiet, Phil. Rant over.

  29. 29.

    srv

    September 24, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    This should put an end to the liberal bigotry that the right does not care about the opinions of other religions:

    Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, urged the Senate to block President Obama’s nominee for Secretary of the Army, Eric Fanning, because having an openly gay Army secretary may send the message that the U.S. condones the sexual abuse of children.

    In an interview with Gohmert yesterday on his “Washington Watch” radio program, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins said that the Senate should refuse to confirm a new Army secretary following a New York Times report alleging that U.S. officials in Afghanistan told service members to look the other way on cases of sex abuse among allied Afghan fighters.
    ..
    “What do you think they will think,” Gohmert wondered, “when they hear that not only did we tolerate what was being done to their boys by people under our authority but we turn around and approve a Secretary of the Army that they as moderate Muslims believe is just an atrocious thing? They’re going to think that that is quite consistent with us approving of what was going on between the older men in authority and these boys.”

  30. 30.

    amk

    September 24, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    @srv:

    louie has escaped from the padded cell again?

  31. 31.

    Thoughtful Today

    September 24, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Someone flunked Troll School.

  32. 32.

    Mike in NC

    September 24, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @srv: Both you and Gohmert share the IQ of a baked potato.

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    September 24, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    @Baud:

    You know, Catholics don’t spend a lot of time name-checking “Jesus Christ” like he’s the guy who’s going to get them past the velvet rope if they just drop his name enough times. I mean, sure, his name comes up in prayers a lot, but we really don’t spend a lot of time talking about our deep, personal relationship with our good friend, Jesus Christ.

    Feckin’ Protestants.

  34. 34.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Seems a bit harsh on the baked potato.

  35. 35.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    What is the IQ of half a baked potato? And are you sure it isn’t just a bit too high?

  36. 36.

    chopper

    September 24, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    The ‘below the fold’ cheat-code commentor Robert Waldmann and Betty Cracker kindly shared isn’t working on this fershluginer machine

    so you’re Jewish now too?

  37. 37.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @Ruckus:

    As our trolls might say: what is the sound of half a baked potato clapping?

  38. 38.

    scav

    September 24, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @Ruckus: I assumed it was of at best half a baked potato and without any butter or salt.

  39. 39.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/24/kanye-west-ben-carson-fan-vanity-fair-interview

    Donald Trump may have declared that he loved Kanye West and that the rapper “loves Trump”, but it seems West may prefer one of his Republican rivals – Ben Carson.

    In a Vanity Fair article published on Thursday, West glowingly endorsed Carson, who is gaining on the Republican frontrunner in the polls, saying: “As soon as I heard [Ben] Carson speak, I tried for three weeks to get on the phone with him. I was like this is the most brilliant guy.”

    Armstrong Williams, Carson’s business manager, confirmed that West had spent three weeks trying to get the Johns Hopkins neurosurgeon-turned-presidential candidate on the phone – and he had been successful, Williams told the Guardian.

    “They spoke for about 45 minutes,” Williams said. “It was a fun conversation. Kanye was singing and rapping on the phone.”

    He said the two talked about politics, about life, and about music, but added that “Kanye mostly talked about himself. He rapped – he was introducing Dr Carson to his lyrics and what he raps about.” He quickly added that “it was clean rap; his lyrics were all clean.”

  40. 40.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    @Morzer:
    Bet Alton Brown knows.

  41. 41.

    srv

    September 24, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    Angry non-Economist Woman goes on Colbert rants:

    “One hundred percent of income growth in this country since the 1980s has gone to the top ten percent and that’s not only wrong, that is going to destroy our country unless we take our country back!”

    Maybe she should get a Trump hat.

    @Morzer: Kanye is a probably pretty close to a billionaire. I may not like his music, but he’s a smart guy.

  42. 42.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    @srv:

    So, tell us again how you are the bigger half of the potato.

  43. 43.

    Ruckus

    September 24, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    @Morzer:
    I was like this is the most brilliant guy
    Them must be some good drugs. Really good. One tab for a 2 week trip good. Funny colors and flying good. The one the guy with a loudspeaker tells you if you took some to get your ass to the red cross tent sooner than immediately good.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Filing away this recipe for Southern Indian crab curry as a starting point for possible later use, once I decide on how want to tweak it so as not to overwhelm the delicate flavor of the crab and and also conjure up methods and ingredients to make the finished dish look more appetizing than in the pictures.

  45. 45.

    chopper

    September 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @Morzer:

    Kanye spoke to Dr. Carson of his frustrations with high school algebra.
    Don’t be all like X is 5 if 5 is what you mean/ If 5 is what is on your mind than baby just come clean he allegedly rapped.

    about right.

  46. 46.

    Svensker

    September 24, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    The Slurs started off the way they are finishing — a blocked punt wanged into their own end zone, Gints got 2 points. Pathetic.

  47. 47.

    srv

    September 24, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice suggested Thursday that she is done with politics.

    “I’m quite content to spend my life helping young people find themselves, I’ve had my fill of politics,” Rice said at an event in Hong Kong, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.
    “I’m a very happy university professor. … The best thing about being a university professor is that you see young people as they’re being shaped and moulded toward their own future and you have a chance to be a part of that,” she said, according to AFP.

    Well, that certainly limits the Cuck’s VP options.

  48. 48.

    PIGL

    September 24, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @efgoldman: and the reading part is optional. Rarely, if ever, performed.

  49. 49.

    Morzer

    September 24, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    @efgoldman:

    read and react

    Introducing the John G Cole Fall Blog Collection, and first on the catwalk is the R & R blog, modeled here for you today by the legendary Notorious EFG………

  50. 50.

    Felonius Monk

    September 24, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    @Morzer:

    what is the sound of half a baked potato clapping?

    About the same as the sound of a half-baked Louie Gohmert farting.

  51. 51.

    chopper

    September 24, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    @srv:

    “I’m a very happy university professor. … The best thing about being a university professor is that you see young people as they’re being shaped and moulded toward their own future and you have a chance to be a part of that,” she said, according to AFP.

    tell that to an adjunct.

  52. 52.

    NotMax

    September 24, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    Brewfest event ongoing in WoW. Need to get some virtual drinking time in. :)

  53. 53.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @agoodpope

  54. 54.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    September 25, 2015 at 12:15 am

    @Baud: Well, the first pope was Jewish.

  55. 55.

    forked tongue

    September 25, 2015 at 12:23 am

    @srv:

    Does the use of “cuck” mean you’re just a flat-out White Supremacist or did I miss something somewhere?

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:27 am

    @forked tongue: It is a portmanteau of cuckold and conservative. It is apparently a thing on the right these days. No, I don’t really understand it either.

  57. 57.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 12:30 am

    I’ve given up potato, pasta, rice, bread, etc.

    And I’m a freaking vegetarian! I’m not even sure anymore what I eat.

    Some kind of fungus, I think.

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:31 am

    @redshirt: Truffles are nice.

  59. 59.

    forked tongue

    September 25, 2015 at 12:35 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: But as I understand it, the idea is that nominal conservatives who don’t hold a strict white-supremacist position are like “cuckolds,” watching their loved ones get raped by the invading hordes of brown and yellow. Am I wrong?

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:35 am

    @forked tongue: See the last sentence of my previous comment.

  61. 61.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 12:37 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Truffles are nice.

    The product is called “Quorn” and I do get a considerable amount of calories from them.

    http://www.quorn.com/

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:42 am

    @redshirt: That ain’t truffles.

  63. 63.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 12:44 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: It’s a fungus. Same dif.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:46 am

    @redshirt: Jesus wept.

  65. 65.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 12:48 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Welcome to the future, Dave.

  66. 66.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 12:52 am

    @redshirt: Dave’s not here, man.

  67. 67.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    September 25, 2015 at 1:01 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    See the last sentence of my previous comment.

    What do truffles have to do with cuckolding?

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 1:11 am

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Wouldn’t you like to know?

  69. 69.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    September 25, 2015 at 1:12 am

    @forked tongue:

    Yes, you’re wrong. Cuckolds are betrayed by their loved ones, which is different from seeing.them raped.

  70. 70.

    AnotherBruce

    September 25, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Betty Cracker: I think the New York City football club is disrespecting vertically capable people with their team name.

  71. 71.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 1:26 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): Fuck cuckolders.

  72. 72.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 1:30 am

    I mean that for real too, since what is a worse sin than someone betraying your bed? Sex is our most basic connection, so to cheat that is to cheat the most basic connection between people. Which means WAR for a lot of folks.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 1:40 am

    @redshirt: Go read the Iliad.

  74. 74.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Go read the Iliad.

    Go read The Odyssey.

  75. 75.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 1:52 am

    @redshirt: I have read both. What is your point?

  76. 76.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 1:56 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Me too. What was your point?

  77. 77.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 1:58 am

    @redshirt: Ummm… The Helen thing in the Iliad? Cuckolding and stuff? Yes?

  78. 78.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 2:02 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Pretty subtle. Could have made the same point maybe with Ulysses at the end of the Odyssey, to find his house and home filled with dudebros looking to hook up with his wife. Who could blame his rage?

  79. 79.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 2:05 am

    @redshirt: Subtle? The whole point of the Iliad is Paris stealing another man’s wife. And Penelope fended off all her suitors for years. No comparison at all.

  80. 80.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 2:10 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I was referring instead to our conversation, to date.

    As for Paris and Helen and Penelope, ultimately, who cares?

    Love comes and goes.

  81. 81.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 2:14 am

    @redshirt: .Well, if we are talking about the Iliad and Odyssey, it matters. If you are trying to talk about something else, do so.

  82. 82.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 2:18 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: You told me to go read the Illiad; why?

  83. 83.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 25, 2015 at 2:21 am

    @redshirt: Cuckolding and Helen. No?

  84. 84.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 2:22 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Doesn’t seem to be the best primer.

  85. 85.

    the Conster

    September 25, 2015 at 8:46 am

    @redshirt:

    This is the answer to my struggle of how to eat less animal products. I’m down to some fish and poultry, which I don’t want to eat any more. Where did you find quorn?

  86. 86.

    redshirt

    September 25, 2015 at 11:53 am

    @the Conster: It’s in the frozen section of my grocery store, in the organic section. Look for the section with the fake meat products. Their packaging is orange.

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