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Schmidt just says fuck it, opens a tea shop.

How can republicans represent us when they don’t trust women?

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

People are complicated. Love is not.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

I didn’t have alien invasion on my 2023 BINGO card.

“woke” is the new caravan.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

Come on, man.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

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Since its been an eventful day here at the Balloon Juice bunker, now that we’ve secured from general quarters and returned the site to both JuiceCon 5 and threat assessment level puce, I thought it only appropriate to finish the night off with a Bundy Bunch update.

The US Fish and Wildlife Service released new photos of the damage done by the Bundy Bunch to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. They are currently estimating $6 million in damages. Click on through to see just how much damage was done.

The redacted, final indictee on the Bundy Bunch indictment for the Malheur occupation has now been revealed as 27 year old Jake Ryan from Montana (h/t Bella Q). He’s still at large and the Bundy’s fellow travelers have decided to start working the refs, and the local sheriff, to try to keep him from being taken into custody. This includes, but is not limited to,  Shawna Cox who is on release while awaiting trial, Jeanette Finicum, Gavin Seim, and Ryan’s parents. CSPOA has removed its searchable list of “Constitutional Sheriffs”, so it is not possible to determine if Sanders County Sheriff Tom Runnels is a member. Sheriff Runnels did make a statement that he intends to ensure that due process is followed, Mr. Ryan’s rights are protected, and that he does not think that Mr. Ryan is in Sanders County right now.

Despite his lawyer’s claims that he would fight extradition, Jerry DeLemus’s attorney did not file an objection with the Federal Court in New Hampshire to DeLemus being extradited to Nevada. As a result the Federal Court in New Hampshire has ruled that DeLemus will be extradited to Nevada where he will sit in jail and await his trial in regards to the events that occurred at Cliven Bundy’s Bunkerville Ranch in 2014.

The Koch backed/funded American Lands Council, some of whose members that are elected officials have gotten themselves on the rader of Federal Law Enforcement for their interjecting themselves into the Malheur Occupation, including its planning, has recruited a perfect candidate to run for the Montana State Legislature. This should be fun…

Finally, and courtesy of admitted Bundy junky (that’s junky, not groupie – ewww….) LAO, we have this lovely manifesto written by Ryan Bundy as an answer to News2Share’s questions to him. Click across to read the whole thing. They have both his handwritten responses, which you can click on to read, and transcriptions they made for ease of reading.

 

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  2. 2.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: is that to be read as tea malice or team alice? Or more bizarrely teama lice? Or a badly mispelled teamal ice, which is like a poorly spelled Tamil hip hop act.

  3. 3.

    scav

    Maybe it’s a misplaced recipe offering: Tea Ma Lice. Not many non-plant-based tisanes, one must admit.

  4. 4.

    Seebach

    What’s the likelihood of the Ted Cruz sex scandal thing being real? Roger Stone has been on it for a few weeks. Apparently one of the five women is Trump’s campaign spokeswoman.

  5. 5.

    LAO

    2days ago, Shawna Cox moved to modify the conditions of her pre trial release to remove home detention from her bond. Pre-trial services consented and the government opposed. I didn’t have time today to check if the government filed written objections.

  7. 7.

    Adam L Silverman

    @LAO: I have a feeling the government will be back with her Facebook post trying to have her remanded until trial.

  9. 9.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Seebach: I just did a keyword search: National Enquirer, InfoWars, and Gateway Pundit is no way to go through a campaign scandal…

  10. 10.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Thanks Adam, for the fix. I was suitable distressed by the photos when I saw them earlier, yet relieved that the worst were probably not published. I knew you’d find it and thus didn’t send it.

    @LAO: I did not have time (or a PACER account) to check today either.

  12. 12.

    Seebach

    @Adam L Silverman: Yeah yeah, I know it’s not the preferred way to do business, but Ted Cruz is such a disgusting human being I want it to be real. Is it wrong to have dreams?

    It would also put Trump’s bizarre wife attacks in context and it would further destabilize the GOP.

  14. 14.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Seebach: Given that one of the potential sources, the Trump campaign, has at its spokesperson one of the potential mistresses, its just icky. I personally could care less what people do with their genitalia as long as everyone is able to and does consent and no one is being a hypocrite. As a result I am enjoying the brouhaha around the Governor of Alabama, and Cryptkeeper body/stunt double, over his own affairs running counter to his Christian values self promotion.

  18. 18.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman:
    @LAO:

    I also expect the govt objection to refer to the FB post and oppose release for home detention in favor of remand. These people are dumb.

  19. 19.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Omnes Omnibus: I forgot to DVR this week’s episode of Lucha Underground. So I’ve got to do something for entertainment until they put it up on demand next Monday.

  20. 20.

    Seebach

    @Adam L Silverman: I don’t care what people do with their genitalia or what bathrooms you use or whatever. But Ted Cruz does care. So I just feel it’s very important that people know if there’s anything there.

    I guess we’ll see if this amounts to anything, but having Ted Cruz out of politics would be a wonderful thing.

  21. 21.

    Adam L Silverman

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I almost wrote something to the effect of “and in the unable to learn anything category” in the Ryan paragraph. It isn’t just that they’re dumb, I get the impression that Seim is quite bright. Rather it is that they are both unwilling and unable to adjust their beliefs and actions in light of empirical reality contradicting them.

  23. 23.

    Luthe

    I don’t understand the occupiers. If I were, for some insane reason, to find myself living in a wildlife refuge headquarters, I would be careful not to damage anything because I would want to remain in a nice habitable environment. The level of destruction there doesn’t make sense to me.

    … but then again, I live on Planet Reality, so.

  25. 25.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Seebach: The issue is that on the GOP side this becomes a prodigal son and reformed sinner moment. It didn’t hurt Vitter and it didn’t hurt Sanford. Now if he cheated with someone underage – male or female – or with a gay male adult, that would be a different story with his supporters. Trump has written sections in at least two books describing his extramarital affairs and cuckolding and there is audio recording of him bragging about his cuckolding and taunting the guy he cuckolded. Its not hurting him at all. Links at the link:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/03/donald_trump_has_one_core_philosophy_misogyny.html

  26. 26.

    Miss Bianca

    The Koch backed/funded American Lands Council, some of whose members that are elected officials have gotten themselves on the rader of Federal Law Enforcement for their interjecting themselves into the Malheur Occupation, including its planning, has recruited a perfect candidate to run for the Montana State Legislature.

    OK, I clicked thru’ out of morbid curiosity and now I wish I hadn’t.

    I thought I was pissed about these Koch-backed bastards and their minion leagues before but now I just feel like there’s no circle of the Hell I don’t believe in to be deep enough, hot enough, cold enough, whatever for them. Is there just NO END to this asshattery?

    God, what has happened to me…am I finally just too disgusted to be amused?

  27. 27.

    Davebo

    As much as I despise them I’m just not seeing 6 million in damages there. Looks more like a place a renter bailed out of in a hurry. With the addition of the crude latrines.

  28. 28.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: I haven’t forgotten your questions. This week starting going (positively) sideways on Tuesday and I’m just about getting it back on track.

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Davebo: There’s the feces filled trench. They completely destroyed the plumbing. And they destroyed at least one Pauite heritage site.

  30. 30.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s not nice. I have no comment beyond that.

    @LAO: I almost went with “passionate about the cause, but not terribly bright.”

    I plead fatigue from my interview and a Pagan (attempted) celebration of Purim.

  34. 34.

    Frankensteinbeck

    I read Bundy’s letter. Have a summary/fisking hybrid.

    We are productive American people who want nothing more than to live peaceful lives.

    Wow. I’m amazed his nose didn’t impale the moon on that one.

    This is what makes freedom the most fundamental principle.

    Three paragraphs of justification about this, mostly with religion. These guys seriously, seriously think they should get to do whatever the fuck they want and how dare anyone tell them they can’t. They don’t frame it with any limits or context.

    Satan also uses greed, lust, wealth, murder, homosexuality, hate, theft, fornication, and a host of other sins to bring people into bondage.

    Lengthy section on Satan making people sinful. This is a letter steeped in religion. He blames all of people’s suffering, including slavery (A message for ‘the Negro’?), on them being punished for their sins.

    These sins cannot be stopped by laws or force.

    I really wonder how this guy feels about abortion laws.

    Freedom to pursue happiness in the way they choose without being controlled by an oppressive government.

    Constant, relentless harping on ‘freedom.’ Paragraphs and paragraphs of it. Damn, what selfish little toddlers.

    we don’t dare to do a darn thing to move about freely, to start a business, build our houses, travel about or becomes something without getting the permission of one government agency or other, permits, licenses etc… etc… THAT IS NOT FREEDOM FOLKS!

    Yep. They just plain want to be able to do whatever they feel like without laws or oversight, like the special little babies they are. Note that Sovereign Citizens hate drivers’ licenses and especially paying for car registrations.

    Do you have that kind of courage? DO YOU?

    Towards the end, it gets really shouty and tells all Americans to stand up and fight tyranny. Like building safety codes, apparently.

  35. 35.

    LAO

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I hope the interview went well. Not to make you miss criminal defense work, but today had 2 clients, independent of each other, cry in my presence (strong emotions are not my thing. I can’t believe I’m not a WASP) and I spent 2 hours in a federal jail, trying not to touch anything, including my sobbing client. With no tissues.
    So, looking for new work.

  39. 39.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Adam L Silverman: I thought of adding colored chalk for Holi and doing St. Purim’s Holiday. Bushmills and crispy triangular cookies since Esther sent all the snakes to England. (Paternal grandparents English and Irish).

  42. 42.

    Davebo

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I dunno. You can fill in the trench. As for the plumbing, you can replace every structure on the site for less than 6 million.

    And I’d say any Pauite heritage site is beyond legitimate valuation so you have me there.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Frankensteinbeck: The Founders and Framers wrote and talked about liberty. Which was not the same thing to them as freedom. And it was certainly nothing along the lines of what these folks are on about.

  44. 44.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman:

    No problem. Figured you was swamped to the eyeballs, gettin’ LAO and Bella Q their fix, among other things…we’re gonna have to start calling you The Pusher…

  45. 45.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @LAO:
    It’s moderately long, but there’s almost no content. A hundred rephrasings of ‘God says we should be free to make our own choices. The Constitution says we should be free.’ with ‘RISE UP LIKE THE FOUNDING FATHERS!!!’ at the end. There are almost no specifics. The weirdest thing is his statement that they didn’t break any laws. These guys live in a fantasy world where nobody is the boss of them, nuh uh.

  48. 48.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Frankensteinbeck: I need more alcohol to read it, but since I’m celebrating today, I may get to it.

    @Omnes: I’m grateful for your concern. Truly; thank you. @ Miss Bianca: Please don’t forget Steve in the ATL, who mentioned he’s been quite busy with actual work this week, but is part of our group with an enthusiastic interest.

    @LAO: That’s the kind of day when I don’t miss it, though I had to confess at the interview that I do miss court, when I was asked what kind of law I practiced.

    I think the interview went well; all four members of the search committee who attended asked questions and seemed engaged with my responses. Is it generally considered a positive sign when a member of the committee comes over to hug you when you arrive?

  50. 50.

    LAO

    @Frankensteinbeck: Agreed, if you don’t recognize the authority of the federal government, then you don’t recognize its law, so your not actually breaking them. I picture it, like someone refusing to recognize the laws of gravity. Useless.

  52. 52.

    Amaranthine RBG

    Anyone have a breakdown of where the $6 million in damages figure comes from?

    If they had burned the whole thing to the ground, I can’t imagine that it would cost more than $300-400K to rebuild it all.

  54. 54.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Davebo: I think the $6M includes not only structural (buildings and land), and equipment damage, but also relo costs for the refuge workers who had to be sent away with their families as well as paid their salary. Not to mention disposal costs for the rotting food and all the clean up supply and labor costs. It adds up.

  55. 55.

    CaseyL

    @Amaranthine RBG: They tore down signs, bulldozed areas, built a road which will have to be removed, and ruined the septic system. Ruining the septic system could mean sewage is now in the ground and will have to be dug out.

    And you can’t just bury feces if they’re in a sensitive area: you have to clean them out and remediate the soil they were in.

  57. 57.

    Davebo

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    That makes more sense. The costs could be recouped at least partially with the sale of a particular ranch in Nevada.

    But then the liens that should be on it are already encompassing. We could confiscate Ammonds business in Arizona but it’s been “feeding of the government tit” so that asset of the “rugged individualist” is a waste of time.

  59. 59.

    Adam L Silverman

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): There is a legend (myth? midrash?) that Hezekiah, the 13th King of Judea, sent one of his son’s to Eire as an emissary and he married a Princess of Tara. It is part of an interesting explanation for the Holy Grail. That this coast hopping route, which established limited trade and limited connection between the two peoples, was later taken by one of the sons of Joseph of Arimathea who was tasked with taking the Holy Grail to Eire for safekeeping. In this telling the Holy Grail is a copy of the Law (Torah) handwritten by Jesus for the members of his community. This last part is interesting and significant as all Jews (Jewish males technically) are commanded to make a copy of the Law for themselves. Since the average individual, even most above average individuals, are unable to do so and produce a pure (kosher) copy for themselves, it fell upon the rabbi or rabbis of each community of Jews. This is the only commandment that can be fulfilled vicariously. There’s a book about it written by a now retired from Claremont McKenna. I just spent 1/2 an hour trying to find it as I can’t remember her name nor the book’s title. It was quite interesting.

  60. 60.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Davebo: The day I brought my current younger dog home I had to use treats to get her up the stairs as she’d never been up stairs before. She had a lot of “where am I, what’s going on, how did I get here” anxiety for the first few hours until she realized she had a big sister to snuggle up to on the bed (which she was too small to jump up to at that point), plenty of good food and treats, and me to rub her belly.

  61. 61.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Wow…I thought I was up on all the crazy myths tying Middle Eastern religious figures to Britain and Ireland…now I realize I only know the Christian ones.

  64. 64.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Miss Bianca: My understanding is that this one, about the marriage of a Prince of Judea and a Princess of Tara, runs both ways. Its both part of the myths and legends of ancient Eire and the Kingdom of Tara and in the Midrash (rabbinic legends and mythical apocrypha). Sometimes its the son of Zedekiah, the last King of Judea before its destruction by Babylon. Its pretty clear that the nautical technology of the time from the Levant could make the trip. Coast hopping all the way around the Med. Then through the Straits and up the coast. The grail part of the legend indicates that Marseilles, which is a shortening of the Port of the Two Marys, was named because of this trip. As in either Mary the Mother of Jesus and Mary Magdalene were part of the small group of Jesus’s community that fled with the grail or it was named in their honor.

  65. 65.

    scav

    I could manage about a page (unexpected saccharine overdose), but detected a very thin skin and consciousness that they are being laughter at — correcting the spelling and grammar, but the bit that made me laugh was the savory beef and sweetest melons. I think those care packages of dildos stuck a nerve and somehow they seem psychologicaly Trump kin in their neediness and skin depth.

  67. 67.

    Adam L Silverman

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I wish to anyone’s/no one’s, everyone’s Deity that I could remember the title. There are over 300 books dealing with the grail as a subject right now on Amazon, so I started to get glazed over around page 60. If you can find it, its well worth it. She writes very well and she has done a large amount of research into the mythos and legends. Is it true? Who knows. But I can say that from a Jewish/Judaic side, that one of the most important things that a community built around a scholarly master (rabbi) would want to preserve was the copy of the Law he had copied out.

  68. 68.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @LAO: I’m headed to rack out as well. Adam, thanks not only for the fix, but for the interesting book hunt.

    Wishing everyone a terrific Friday.

  69. 69.

    Tyro

    we don’t dare to do a darn thing to move about freely, to start a business, build our houses, travel about or becomes something without getting the permission of one government agency or other, permits, licenses etc… etc… THAT IS NOT FREEDOM FOLKS!

    If I have to think about the various challenges I face in life, I don’t think that applying for permits and licenses even ranks as a vaguely important thing that bothers me in terms of constraining my freedom. This might be because I am surrounded by lots of people and am very aware how my decisions affect others and thus the need for a government to serve as an arbiter and monitor of public actions.

    But from the sound of these guys, you’d think the American revolution was fought over the British Crown forcing people to apply for building permits or something.

  71. 71.

    JanieM

    @scav: As to correcting the spelling and grammar, somebody certainly believed it when the teacher said never to end a sentence with a preposition:

    Do I think our stand in Oregon was worth it? Well you tell me. Has it awakened a nation to the awful situation in which we are?

    Not that I could stand to read the whole thing to that point, I was just skimming the beginnings of paragraphs.

  72. 72.

    Prescott Cactus

    @LAO:

    Oh, and Runnels is definitely a constitutional sheriff.

    Via a cached webpage grab of CSPOA list he was as of Jan 15th .

  73. 73.

    Peale

    @Adam L Silverman: meh. Five at once? I think it might pay to look more closely into his campaign finances and how he spends them. Yeah, Senators make ok pay, but not enough to pay for that many mistresses. If Henry Cisneros can be hounded out of politics, so can Ted Cruz. His wife is rich…I don’t think he is.

  74. 74.

    Peale

    @Tyro: travel about? I’ve actually been places where governments make it difficult to get around. So I don’t know which country he lives in. Maybe he’s showing empathy to Africans Americans harassed by NYPD when they’re in the wrong parts of Manhattan?

  77. 77.

    Miss Bianca

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That is a story that cries out for a modern re-telling…

    ETA: I mean, the Princess of Tara and the Prince of Judea…(not the Bundy Bunch)..my God, it just sings, doesn’t it? “Sing, O Muse…”

    OK, I’m getting slaphappy. Time for some Star Trek and bed…

  81. 81.

    redshirt

    SPOILERS FOR DAREDEVIL SEASON 2!!!
    READ NO FURTHER FOR SPOILER REASONS!!!

    I forget which episode but when Frank Castle is in jail and then kills all the criminals of cell block B. It’s a weird feeling because you simultaneously agree and disagree with everything he is.

    Then we learn it’s Fisk’s attempt to kill him. And then it’s Castle’s control over Fisk….

  82. 82.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Prescott Cactus: One still has doubts. I mean, I am a straight guy who can understand how other men can be seen as attractive, alluring, or sexy. I can’t, without drugs*, conceive of how Cruz could be seen that way.

    *For whom the drugs is an open question.

  84. 84.

    Roger Moore

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    The weirdest thing is his statement that they didn’t break any laws. These guys live in a fantasy world where nobody is the boss of them, nuh uh.

    Mostly, I think they live in a world where the federal government is much more restricted than it actually is. Most of the laws they broke either had effect because they were committed on federal property or arose indirectly because they were responding to federal law enforcement trying to stop their occupation. Because they don’t recognize the right of the federal government to own Malheur in the first place, they disregard all the federal laws governing it and claim that all the federal law enforcement actions were illegitimate and thus their resistance to them was legal. If you’re willing to accept that basic, kooky premise, the argument that they weren’t doing anything illegal seems a lot more reasonable.

  86. 86.

    elftx

    Once while camping at Canyonlands I did have one of the best tasting cantaloupes I’ve ever eaten.
    Have no clue it it was from a Bundy ranch but that’s the only thing he may have a point on.
    The rest is churchin bs so all he has to do is ask forgiveness..crime solved!!
    I am grateful they are such ‘true believers’ willingly braying to the world their lawlessness.
    Ryan’s letter really pissed me off. May he rot.
    Thanks for keeping us up to date on all this.

  87. 87.

    Miss Bianca

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    *No one*, gay, straight, or any combination thereof, could *possibly* find Ted Cruz attractive enough to bed. Drugs are the only answer. Just sayin’…’just say no’.

  90. 90.

    scav

    @JanieM: Now I’m laughing even harder because of all the arbitrarily imposed rules to choose to obey, they chose those Roman ones jammed down the throat of English.

  91. 91.

    Prescott Cactus

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    *For whom the drugs is an open question.

    Which drug would also be an open question. I imagine the quantity required would be a lot.

  96. 96.

    Roger Moore

    @Adam L Silverman:

    The grail part of the legend indicates that Marseilles, which is a shortening of the Port of the Two Marys, was named because of this trip.

    Which is obvious nonsense, since it was knows as Massalia since it was founded by the Greeks at about the time of Zedekiah’s reign and centuries before Christ.

  98. 98.

    Roger Moore

    @Tyro:

    This might be because I am surrounded by lots of people and am very aware how my decisions affect others and thus the need for a government to serve as an arbiter and monitor of public actions.

    I think this gets at a core issue in the urban/rural divide. People who live in close quarters are much more conscious of their effects on others and- perhaps more to the point- others effects on them, so they tend to focus a lot on negative freedom (i.e. freedom from others doing to them). In contrast, people living far away from others are much less affected by what other people do, so they tend to focus on positive freedom (i.e. freedom to do as they choose).

  99. 99.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Roger Moore: If I’m recalling correctly it was renamed after the early Christian period. The legend, as laid out in the book (which I read in 1995) doesn’t claim Marseilles was named for the two Marys during the reign of Zedekiah, but that it was renamed sometime after Joseph of Arimethea and his sons passed through it en route to Ireland with the Grail.

  101. 101.

    NotMax

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Beer goggles would certainly be insufficient.

    A beer hazmat suit, maybe?

    But even then… no. Everything about the man is enough to gag a maggot.

  103. 103.

    La Caterina (Mrs. Johannes)

    @Roger Moore: @Roger Moore: Thanks for that analysis. I had not thought of it that way before.

    I live in very close quarters (Brooklyn). Still, it’s comforting to find the site back up to JuiceCon 5 and a few Juicers still awake to divert me from insomnia.

  107. 107.

    Steeplejack

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Like Roger Moore, I was skeptical, and I couldn’t find anything on the Google to support the idea, in fact or legend, of Marseille being named, or renamed, after the two Marys. It’s much more likely that the name was a gradual evolution/corruption of the original Greek and Roman name(s).

    And I couldn’t get a line on the book you mentioned either, based on the details you provided. Sorry about that. I know how maddening it is to have some fact or resource just beyond one’s reach.

  108. 108.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Steeplejack: It was an interesting read, especially if one likes myth and legend – including Arthurian. I’m not claiming any of it is provable.

  110. 110.

    Adam L Silverman

    @redshirt: I know and I’m sure. I am merely the messenger here. That’s why I said this was legend, not fact or history. Its fun – doesn’t mean its accurate.

  112. 112.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Roger Moore: I’m not willing to accept that utterly ridiculous premise, or the oxymoronic concept of the “sovereign citizen” either.

    These people are behaving like three year old screaming “you’re not the boss of me!”

  113. 113.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @Roger Moore: Yes, but that’s the sort of bullshit I’d expect; especially from people trying to eek out short term profit utterly heedless of the long term consequences of their actions.

  115. 115.

    Viva BrisVegas

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Its fun – doesn’t mean its accurate.

    It’s all fun and games until somebody trips over and gets a myth stuck in their head.

    Which explains the Bundys.

  116. 116.

    redshirt

    I for real want to create a cool ultra-special van for traveling the country. With a dog and a handful of nerds. Simulated nerds.

  118. 118.

    Mj_Oregon

    Add to the Bundy/Constitutional Sheriffs mix is this turd-like piece of legislation, courtesy of Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-UT. Just what the West needs, NO federal law enforcement on public lands, just what can be provided by the county sheriff. What could possibly go wrong? oy…

  119. 119.

    Origuy

    @Adam L Silverman: Was the daughter’s name Tephi, and the father perhaps Zedikiah, not Hezikiah? If so, then I think you are thinking of The Book of Tephi. Or perhaps a modern retelling of it. It sounded like the story of the Stone of Scone being originally the pillow of Jacob, when he dreamed of the ladder of angels.

  120. 120.

    opiejeanne

    As to the cost of the cleanup of the Malheur Refuge, beyond just the tidying up and trash removal, there is also the planned carp cleanup in the lake, and they missed the window to do it efficiently so it’s going to cost a lot more if they do get the commercial fishing companies to come in. This was a big deal because the carp are so efficient at breeding and at destroying habitat for other fish and for birds. The idea was to divert the 3000 acres of water to another pond and clear it of carp, but because the rains came before the Bundy crowd left, the lake is over 20,000 acres and diverting that much water is probably not going to happen.

    Then there’s the damaged and stolen equipment that has to be replaced, the files that were scattered throughout the buildings, and worse. The occupiers rifled through files and computers looking for stored info on anyone connected to Malheur including volunteers, and their personal info has been compromised.

  122. 122.

    Matt

    He’s still at large and the Bundy’s fellow travelers have decided to start working the refs, and the local sheriff, to try to keep him from being taken into custody.

    Clearly they are terribly lonely in jail, and would like to have both their lost yeehawdi brother *and* the local sheriff for company.

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    Lurking Canadian

    @Adam L Silverman: Sure, it’s a straightforward matter of freedom of action. The Bundys are indeed free to do whatever they like.

    However, they are not the only free people in America. Other Americans are also free to do what they like. And one of the things other Americans like to do is lock up selfish assholes who wreck public land.

    The Bundys exercised their freedom. Then the rest of America exercised theirs.

    (Yes, I did crib this from a legend about the Raj)

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    ConcernedCitizen

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    Please note these are mormon, specifically FLDS, beliefs… NOT christian beliefs!!! There is a huge difference. If you haven’t yet, research White Horse prophecy, you’ll find many parallels in the twisted thinking of this bunch. Then add the FLDS, sovcit, and freemason agendas together and you get a much clearer picture of this situation. LDS is the equivalent of the white mans islam. Every single major player in this was LDS, with the exception of Ritzheimer, who was baptised into the cult during the occupation. Then you will also see why that ONE specific “pocket constitution” is all they used… it’s the mormon twist on the constitution.
    If you are disgusted now, research the items above and you’ll find a whole new level of disgust.
    Oh and I can’t remember who posted about one of them being on the “grassy knoll” but look into William and McGeorge Bundy… yeah, they’re directly tied to JFKs assassination…

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