Crooked Hillary – – Makes History! pic.twitter.com/jaqDG7M6dS
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 2, 2016
I guess the art department decided a yellow star would be over the top.
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Tweet deleted and replaced.
Trump tweets updated Hillary 'most corrupt candidate ever' tweet and replaces hexagram/Star of David with a circle pic.twitter.com/4S8tkn8357
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) July 2, 2016
Luther Siler
But both parties are the same, or something.
Hunter Gathers
How can someone with such small hands keep stepping on his own dick?
Robin G.
Man, and I thought the GWB team blew loud dog whistles when they referenced Dred Scott. Amateurs.
(Side note: Has any man alive done more to rehabilitate Dubya’s image than Donald J. Trump?)
Emma
I’m betting they went for what they considered would be the flashiest shape and never even noticed. It’s the kind of thing this clusterfvck of a campaign would do.
Trentrunner
Yes, it’s anti-Semitic, but what’s the HRC connection here? Is Hillary accused of somehow being in the pocket of Jews? Of taking “Jewish” money?
I can’t keep up with every trope in the VRWC; what is this one referring to?
Wag
But Trump looovvveeesss the Jewish people. This love for them is huuggee! Never mind the fact that the white nationalists are sprinkled throughout his campaign.
Wag
@Hunter Gathers: Really short legs.
Warren Terra
Don’t they know the Soviet Red Star is five-pointed, and the Jewish six-pointed star is yellow-and-black (for maximum antisemitism) or light blue (for Israel)?
They’re getting their appeals to prejudice all confused!
ETA @ Trentrunner: you’re overthinking it. It’s a dog-whistle, meant to remind people who hate Jews that they hate Hillary Clinton. It’s not even loosely based upon anything factual.
Humdog
“Most often called corrupt,” that is all they have after flinging crap at her for over 25 years. Most investigated and nothing comes from it so she is either the best criminal in the history of the world, or, you know, Fox has its collective head up its ass.
I wonder if Hillary smells like a campfire, all the smoke bombs they have thrown t her.
Mike in NC
Team Trump might have some explaining to do before they have access to Shelly Adelson’s checkbook.
Trentrunner
@Warren Terra: Thanks. Makes sense, or “sense.”
I just love how Trump’s campaign’s racism and incompetence just blur into one big brew of incoherent hate.
Humdog
I cannot even with this! This man is a fraud, every where you look I his personal and business career you find actual fraud. He lies constantly, but he and his pet tv station have th balls to give his earned label to her. Damn Rove playbook, whatever you are egregiously guilty of, accuse you opponent of it. F*ckers
Emma
@Humdog: And here’s a thing: if she’s that good a criminal, I want her in the Oval Office. Time for original-Mission-Impossible-type payback. (not really but a girl can dream)
Amir Khalid
@Trentrunner:
Well, Chelsea’s husband Marc Mezvinsky is Jewish. That might be it.
Emma
@Amir Khalid: So’s Ivanka’s. In fact, IIRC, she converted. And he’s supposed to be one of the brains behind this campaign.
Rosalita
Tweets teh asshole that is considering Big Chicken for his running mate…bridge what?
JPL
@Emma: Now Trump can call him, his Jewish American, just like he addresses blacks.
The money and the star is not a coincidence, imo.
Amir Khalid
@Emma:
True, but then those who seek logic and consistency in the Trump campaign’s actions labour in vain.
Trentrunner
Trump just tweeted out a revision with the star replaced by a circle.
Progress!
debbie
@Emma:
It won’t be long til they Photoshop in a hook nose.
Trentrunner
Just pointing out for the millionth time that Trump DAILY spews up the kind of “scandal” that would keep any other candidate under fire for weeks.
Remember in 2008 when we spent three months on Reverend Wright? Yeah…
bemused
Ha, ha. Trump swears his convention speaking spots are totally filled. Even if that was true, which I doubt, just thinking about who’all is in the lineup is making me eager to watch the shit show.
debbie
@Trentrunner:
I hope the ADL saw it. They’re not fans of Trump.
Emma
@Amir Khalid: Ain’t that the truth! That’s why I’m sometimes confused. Stupid or evil? Because, really, it’s sometimes better dealing with evil.
Mr. Mack
I would bet 98% of the people who see this will not make the anti-Semitic connection. I’ll admit I didn’t, and I consider myself pretty engaged.
Aleta
A man like him doesn’t waste money on an art department. He’s also “getting great reviews on the teleprompter.”
Amir Khalid
@Trentrunner:
The Trump campaign is currently undergoing an interesting staffing experiment: every week sees the appointment of a new key staffer AND the resignation (possibly in despair) of last week’s new hire.
Edmunddantes
@debbie: I think they realized that the yellow star would have been a little too on the nose. If you get my drift.
Kenneth Kohl
Well, at least it wasn’t pinned to her blouse.
jesuschristalmighty, what assholes…
MattF
It’s the background of $100 bills that you might not notice at first. Or… maybe someone just has a really unusual screensaver. Or…
NotMax
Nope. Not gonna click on the link to see the picture. No sirree bob.
Can glean sufficient from the comments.
ruemara
@Emma: no. As designer, no. You would have to choose that shape & it’s not a flashy starburst.
El Caganer
@Amir Khalid: So is Trump’s SIL, and his daughter converted to Judaism, IIRC.
MattF
Apparently the current version of that pic has been edited a bit, replacing the hexagram with a circle. Oopsie.
dmsilev
So, also today in Trumpisms, via the LA Times, Trump was once so involved in trying to block an lndian ca$ino that he secretly approved attack ads.
Not going to try to excerpt the article, because it’s filled with FYWP Bad Words and I’m sure the comment would get bit-bucketed. But read it.
Aleta
@bemused: His pronouncements give a true picture of the opposite of what’s true.
Emma
@ruemara: You’re assuming they had a designer instead of a high school kid using Photoshop Elements!
It’s getting hard, separating stupid from evil.
(added) Oops. Someone upthread says they’ve replaced the star with a circle. Twitter blowback or someone screaming bloody murder?
dmsilev
@dmsilev: OK, let me try to bad-word-filter the first few paragraphs. Wish me luck…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Rosalita: Joy Reid said she’s hearing that Trump really likes Newton Leroy– he is the walking incarnation of a stupid person’s idea of a smart person. I’d been discounting him because I didn’t think Gingrich could fake subservience and his too-obvious desire to be the power behind the throne would grate on Himself. Christie seems like a perfect fit, but I’m only betting imaginary quatloos.
ET
And Trump’s number of trustworthiness are any better? Please.
TG Chicago
@Trentrunner:
Goldman Sachs = JOOS
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Trentrunner: that’s like admitting a mistake! He’s gonna have to double down on something awful next week.
I wonder if someone consulted Shelly Adelson– the guy who somehow made money with those banned-word operations– and he expressed his displeasure
Captain C
@Hunter Gathers: He must be much more limber than he appears.
rachel
I’ve got to wonder if Trump’s publicists hate him and are sabotaging him because they wish him ill–and they know by now they’re not going to get paid anyway.
debbie
@ruemara:
When I designed, I used Adobe Illustrator. which had a star-making tool. The 6-sided star the program created looked nothing like a Jewish star. These guys ended up with a Jewish star because they picked a Jewish star.
dmsilev
@rachel: You’d think that anyone working for Trump now would know enough, given his history, to require cash in advance.
ruemara
@Emma: I’m sure they have one but not a good one.
Emma
@ruemara: After a second cup of coffee and a full review of available data, you’re right. This was done on purpose. Actually we can work with that. Psychopaths are predictable. Right now, we know the next one will be both worse on the facts and the execution.
Anya
@Mike in NC: Adelson doesn’t care. He supports candidates who support Israel because they want to exelerate the end of time. And in their mind the non-believers, including Jews will be all killed or find Jesus.
gogol's wife
@NotMax:
I clicked on the link and there was nothing there. I don’t get it. But then I never get Twitter. Hoping it goes away soon.
Mary
@gogol’s wife: not working for me either.
Felonius Monk
I wonder if the Drumpf campaign is behind this:
ruemara
@debbie: exactly. I use AI all damned day. It es work or clip art to make a Star of David
Villago Delenda Est
“Page does not exist”; the problem for The Donald is erasing it as his end does not solve his problem, it only compounds it.
Villago Delenda Est
@Felonius Monk: Elizabeth Warren is 1/32nd Cherokee.
That’s enough to qualify for membership in the tribe.
Someone is being a dumbshit here.
bemused
@Aleta:
Sort of a George Constanza tactic but not amusing.
dmsilev
@Mary: It showed up a few minutes ago for me, but now is gone. Looks like it’s been deleted. I’m sure a whole bunch of people saved copies for just that eventuality, so sorry Donald, your cut-rate Ministry of Truth won’t save you.
bemused
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Watching Newt or Christie grovel before Trump would be entertaining though.
smith
@Villago Delenda Est: Yes, it’s clearly been erased. It showed up for me a half hour ago and now it’s gone. Seems to have gotten a noticeable reaction.
MattF
@dmsilev: The audience for anti-Semitic tropes is out there on Twitter. Message has been sent.
EriktheRed
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286360-trump-tweet-using-star-of-david-prompts-backlash
yellowdog
@Villago Delenda Est: She doesn’t have the documentation to prove it. It is what she was told growing up, that it is part of her heritage. She never used it to get a job or into any school. Harvard mentioned it in their diversity publicity or something but she didn’t mention it when she applied for tenure there.
smith
If anyone wants to see the original image, TPM has it here.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Felonius Monk: I wonder how Salon let that guy get away, seems like the perfect fit with Ha-Ha, Andrew O’Heir and the rest of the Paglia-esque scribblers.
Amir Khalid
@yellowdog:
It seems to me that it wouldn’t be unusual for a white Midwesterner like Elizabeth Warren to have some native ancestry even if the limitations of 19th century record-keeping mean that there are no papers to prove it. At the very worst, it is surely no more than an honest but mistaken belief held by her family.
The Czar of All the Stupids
@Hunter Gathers:
Short legs… very, very short legs… we can only hope he’s wearing golf shoes part of time…
smith
@Amir Khalid: She’s actually from Oklahoma, I think, which makes it even more likely.
Miss Bianca
So, speaking of cognitive dissonance when it comes to tropes (or Trumps)…
I’ve been racing to finish this book “Your Favorite Band is Killing Me”, by Steven Hyden. In the last chapter, which talks, among other things, about the fallout from the Dixie Chicks’s dissing of GWB, there is a rather lengthy discussion of Lee Atwater – or, rather, the two Lee Atwaters: the one who made racist dogwhistling a high/low art in political rat-fuckery (wow, there’s a combination of images for you), and the blues-loving, beer-chugging guitarist/party animal who seems genuinely to have loved the blues and respected black blues musicians. Does anyone remember that after helping to orchestrate Bush the Elder’s victory with the Willie Horton campaign, he also had Bo Diddley, Eddie Floyd, and William Bell, among others, play Bush’s inaugural? (apparently the concert is highly regarded among blues fans). That he wanted to host a blues festival at Howard University? (the students protested and he had to resign from the board of that particular event, evidently).
I continue to marvel at how such cognitive dissonance is possible, altho’ Hyden offers an explanation of sorts: “The blues was entertainment for Atwater; when it came time to run campaigns, he put it aside and did whatever was necessary to win. Atwater won because he recognized how easy it is to divide people into opposing camps, whether it’s left and right, blue and red, or Team Natalie (Maines, of the Dixie Chicks) or Team Toby (Keith, who capitalized on the Dixie Chicks statements).”
dogwood
Trump should watch the American version of House of Cards before he signs on with Newt.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
Here we go: FBI quizzes Hillary about e-mails.
Maybe the networks can get Drudge on the Sunday shows to talk about it…
Cheers,
Scott.
Villago Delenda Est
@smith: Politico has a story up about it.
This is not going away.
JPL
@dogwood: lol
Lawyers, Does it mean anything that Hillary spent 3.5 hours at the FBI building? I thought they were going to her house.
Bex
I guess it’s just me, but I can’t read the site with the autoplay veggie drizzle ad. Every time it comes on, the comments jump back to #8 where the ad is. Help!
yellowdog
@Amir Khalid: Exactly! There’s no there there. She’s from Oklahoma; that’s where the Trail of Tears wound up. Lots and lots of Cherokee heritage in that state.
hovercraft
@Trentrunner:
Bankers don’t you know are all Jewish, and the baks control the world, and Hillary is in the pocket of the banks, ergo she’s Jewishish.
MattF
@Miss Bianca: The classic answer (see, e.g., famous study ‘When Prophecy Fails’) is that cognitive dissonance is actually a social phenomenon. It’s a little odd to keep missing the point about cognitive dissonance– we’ve accepted the existence of ‘social’ definitions of a long list of perceived situations but keep missing the meaning of the original famous example.
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: The Jews have been doing a great job providing cover for Christian bankers for centuries.
JPL
@Bex: I had problems and decided to use ad block. Personally, I would rather not do that for this site, but didn’t have a choice. It kept freezing up.
? Martin
This probably sounds boring, but it’s a meaningful result for a lot of people, and it comes by way of our first ladies:
The interesting thing here is that if they can successfully get states to accept licenses from other states, that opens up a legal opportunity for broader support for all individuals. This is one of the barriers to middle-class employment that gets lost in the over-focus on trade. If you are a tradesmen, hairdresser, teacher, nurse, etc. – any of the working class occupations that requires licensure and there are better opportunities in other states, relicensure represents another set of costs and time hurdles to clear, usually coming at a time that individuals can least afford them. This is entirely a domestic issue that Democrats should be focusing on much more.
Villago Delenda Est
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: So, we refresh the page to put more nothing in our nothingburger?
The Lodger
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You should start betting real quatloos. It focuses the mind.
Iowa Old Lady
@Bex: I had the same problem, and I don’t want to set ad block here. This time, if I let the ad drag me to it and run all the way through, it quit bothering me–so far at least.
Punchy
@Mr. Mack: More like 99.8%. I had no idea it was offensive until someone told me so. Pretty sure there was no intent here.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Luther Siler: Speaking of which, who said this…
Ridnik Chrome
So this just happened: I was in my local barber shop getting my hair cut, no other customers there but me. An African-American kid walks in, and asks the barber if he can do a “lighten-up”. Kid is about twenty, well-dressed, polite, not loud or threatening in any way. Barber says sorry, he can’t do what the kid wants. Kid looks as if he doesn’t quite believe it, but leaves without saying anything else. After the kid is gone, the barber says to me, “Actually I could do it, but I don’t want those kind of people here, because I do the work and then they don’t wanna pay.” As soon as he said it, I thought to myself, “Well, I guess I have to find another barber shop now.” Barber finishes my haircut, I pay and leave without saying anything. Here’s the problem: I’ve been going to this guy for 6-7 years now, and I have a friendly relationship with him, so I feel like if I’m going to stop giving him my business I should let him know why. But I’ve also learned from long, painful experience that you can’t talk to casual acquaintances about their prejudices. You’re not going to change their minds, all you’re going to do is make them think you’re a bad guy or a troublemaker for saying something about it. Barber and his wife are both recent immigrants, him from Eastern Europe, her from South America. Both of them work in the shop. The wife is a nice lady, and I also feel bad about punishing her for something her husband did. Anybody have any thoughts? Should I go back and say something to the guy? Or just let it alone?
hovercraft
@Villago Delenda Est:
Alex Seitz Ward is reporting that the Clinton’s scheduled the ‘meeting today to bury it over the holiday weekend, and timed to be overshadowed by her event with Obama on Tuesday. But he assured us that the media will not let her get away with it, they will make sure that it is trumpeted from the mountain top. It was the most important interview of all time and it will surely be the final nail in her coffin. Prepare for President Drump.
Joel
@Trentrunner: alt-right imagery; the nazis are core support for Trump.
Emma
@hovercraft: He’s the moron that writes for Salon, right? (I know it’s a large stable of morons but the name is familiar). Ignore the silly idiot. Of course the press is going to make a fuss, but there’s nothing they can objectively due. I think the parameters of this election are already set.
MattF
@Ridnik Chrome: People in the right-wing bubble insist that ‘everyone’ really agrees with them– it’s only the truly racist libruls who disagree– so there’s actually a good reason to register your disagreement. But don’t expect gratitude.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hovercraft
According to Mrs. Greenberg the e-mail server issue , a sword of damocles that has damaged her campaign, and has been a 9 on a scale of 1 to 10. So if her campaign has been so damaged by this, does that mean that if not for the e-mail issue she would have won 56 out of 57 primary contests, would she be beating the dumpster 73 to 27% ? This is so stupid, she won the primary comfortably and is comfortably ahead in the general. We are a 50/50 nation, each side has a 45% floor, and Drump is causing further damage to himself everyday. It’s not in the bag and the media will do their damnedest to make her look as bad as possible, but they’ve been trying for a year and she’s still ahead.
Villago Delenda Est
@hovercraft: Mrs. Greenburg seems to be in the midst of a fire sale of whatever credibility she has still in stock.
JPL
@Ridnik Chrome: You won’t be comfortable with yourself, unless you say something. Surely, there is a barber that’s isn’t biased or racist, in your area..
Just my two cents.
rikyrah
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hovercraft
@Ridnik Chrome:
I can only say this from my point of view, black woman, I would tell him why I’m no longer willing to give him my business because of his behavior, not his attitude. You can be as prejudiced as you want, nut actually refusing service him service crosses the line.
My 2 cents.
Ridnik Chrome
@MattF: The thing is, I don’t think the guy is actually in that bubble. He hasn’t been in this country that long. I think he just had a bad experience with an African-American customer (and maybe some bad experiences outside the shop, too) and he’s generalizing that bad experience onto the African-American population at large.
smith
@Ridnik Chrome: If he’s a recent immigrant you might frame it as helping him understand that racism is offensive to white people, too, and that he risks losing more business than just that of African Americans (yours, for example).
You could also point out that what he did is illegal.
hovercraft
@Emma:
Yes he’s a moron, so of course he now works for msnbc our liberal media at work.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@hovercraft: Since MSNBC still has some liberals on from time to time, I’d love for one of them to ask what harm HRC’s Great Email Scandal has caused? unfortunately, I think R’s have successfully introduced the prove-the-negative standard– a natural extension, I guess, of Russet’s mantra of “raises serious questions”– as acceptable to the Mrs Greenspans of the world.
I can’t remember what reporter I saw on twitter this morning (not Alex Seitz-Wald, I checked) used the verb “interrogate” to describe HRC’s interview with the FBI.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Ridnik Chrome: That’s a real conundrum.
Maybe he was not paid a time or two, but he obviously shouldn’t generalize like that. Especially not in a “I’m sure you agree with me about my racist sentiments” way.
If you’re convinced that he won’t change his views, then it’s sorta pointless to say anything. But if you stop going without saying anything, he may never make the connection and that won’t help either.
Could you keep going to him and gently prod him to treat potential customers fairly?
Maybe something like:
“You know, I’ve been thinking about what happened when I was here last. You remember that kid who wanted the “lighten up”? It’s surprising that someone wouldn’t pay for a haircut if they can, but I’m kinda out of it sometimes these days. Tell me what it’s like for you – was it just a particular kid or …?”
If you stop going to him, will you find anyone better who you’re sure aren’t simply better at hiding their offensive views?
I don’t know what I’d do in your situation. I been going to an Iranian woman for a long time…
Good luck.
Cheers,
Scott.
p.a.
Was just at the Y, CNN on the tube, luckily no sound. Wall-to-wall Hillary/emails/AG meeting. JesusChrist they wouldn’t spend as much time if Hitler were found alive in Brooklyn. Selling spazele commercially.
Ridnik Chrome
@JPL: Yeah, I can easily find another barber. It’s Queens, there are plenty. @hovercraft: I feel more or less the same way. Refusing someone service definitely crosses the line. Being vocal in your prejudices does, too. I should go back and say something, but honestly, I don’t think the guy will understand what he did wrong.
Amir Khalid
@hovercraft:
I found the story on Salon’s front page: it’s under Brendan Gauthier’s byline, not Alex Seitz-Ward’s. And Gauthier is citing a story from The Daily Caller, so make of that what you will.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Ridnik Chrome:
Tough question. I say tell him that it troubles you, and you’re considering finding another barber, because that’s not what America is supposed to be about. If we don’t point out our friends and family’s racism, nothing will ever change and we’ll never get the nice things we want from our government, because of that guy’s behavior. Something happens when you say the word racism. People know it’s bad.
ET
I cannot wait to hear the stories about the campaign that come out beginning just after the election that they are (trying) to keep a lid on right now or are just hoping that success wipes the memory of away.
Suffragete City elftx
So was that his pivot to the general election?
I also pictured Reince choking on his morning antacid when he saw it.
hovercraft
@Villago Delenda Est:
The beltway media only have credibility amongst themselves, they make these proclamations at their cocktail parties and form the conventional beltway wisdom. This was a key part of shrubs ability to cow them during and after the run-up to Iraq. Dick and Lynn Chaney have been part of that inner circle for decades and were able to feed their friends all the propaganda that was then regurgitated to the rest of us. The beltway is very protective of their turf and anyone who is outside their circle is immediately suspect, Bill gave them plenty of fodder with his women, and Obama pissed them off by not letting them into his tight circle of friends from Chicago. The Clinton’s were deemed to eager and gauche to join in, and the Obama’s refused to join them and disdained them, so both have been subject to harsh criticism.
GregB
I think we need to demand that Rasmussen be declared an official organ of the Republican Party. Check out the latest Real Clear Politics polljng aggregate. Rasmussen is literally the only polling outfit to dhow Trump in the lead.
Ridnik Chrome
Thanks, everybody, for the advice. You’ve all made good points and given me some things to think about.
JPL
@Ridnik Chrome: Maybe telling the person it made you feel uncomfortable, but probably not as uncomfortable as the person he sent away. The kid probably gets that a lot.
When a friend’s son went to pick up a tennis racket he had restrung, they stopped him at the door on his way out. Yup, stopped him because he was black, so I’m pretty sensitive to those matters. At the time, his father was VP for a major corporation.
D58826
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Hillary’s campaign sent out a press release which said she was ‘pleased’ to co-operate. Already seeing tweets taking pot shots at the word ‘pleased’. Yesterday there were a couple of threads about the Bill/Loretta meetup and how ‘terrible’ it was. Now the word ‘pleased’ shows that the Clintons are evil. For the right and a good bit of the media the continued existence on this earth of the Clintons is the real scandal.
This isn’t going to end with the FBI report. If as expected the report comes back with nothing the GOP will amp up it’s demand for a special prosecutor. One VSP said that the Bill/Loretta meeting put a target on Lynch. Really? If there is no indictment then the GOP will be going after her. Doesn’t matter who she did or did not talk to
In the meantime Goudy is accusing the President of treason in not doing anything to aid the people in Benghazi.
Brachiator
@Ridnik Chrome:
Here’s my half cent worth. I’m old and cranky and am very particular about my barber, so I like to find a place and stick with it. And by the way, I would not say anything contentious while the barber had clippers or scissors near my head. But after he or she was done, I would say something. Maybe I would ask that he think about his position and reconsider. But I would tell him that I don’t do business with racists. I’d even suggest that if he had pictures of hair styles on the wall, that he include some black and Latino photos.
Sometimes I keep my own counsel but I have been known to challenge people at my local favorite coffee shop when they start spouting racist or homophobic nonsense. The coffee shop owner is a good guy and is diplomatic about deflecting or redirecting obnoxious conversation.
Anyway, it can be a tough situation. And of course your barber may be firm in his bigotry.
debbie
@Ridnik Chrome:
When I lived in NYC (20 years ago), it was the Koreans who were horribly prejudiced. We could never figure out why and thought maybe someone somewhere had had a problem and had just made it a part of their litany of advice for newcomer countrymen.
Anyway, at the corner vegetable stand where I went almost every day, after a situation similar to yours, I looked at the wife behind the counter and told her, “That wasn’t very nice.” Doubt it did much of anything, but I never witnessed another incident.
Ruckus
@dmsilev:
Anyone working for drumpf now is someone who has downed an entire 55 gallon drum of whatever it is that they all take. If he promised the moon, and a bucket of gold and paid you in advance besides, would you work for him? My standards are pretty low and money is something I can always use but that is a bridge about 5 million miles too far for me. I’m betting that it’s too far for most thinking people.
catclub
@Amir Khalid: So is Trump’s son in law.
Kushner?
JPL
@srv: Are you the FBI agent, linking info to the Daily Caller?
just wondering
redshirt
That kind of racism is well beyond the pale.
Hell, I won’t go to a business if they vocalize conservative political views.
Ruckus
@Villago Delenda Est:
In the case of drumpf it takes 2 sides to be a total dumbshit. He may or may not know, he’s hoping that none of his followers have a clue. The fact that they are his followers should allay the concept of them having one.
Brachiator
@D58826:
Big deal. Who knows whether Lynch would be asked to stay on if Hillary wins; and obviously she’s out the door if Trump wins.
The Republicans can make a lot of political noise over this stuff, but not much more than that. Also a lot of the crap that they spew over the holiday weekend goes nowhere, because anyone who is not a political junkie is not paying attention.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
did he open his yap again?
dogwood
@Ridnik Chrome:
This barber may not understand what he did wrong, but he will understand that he lost a customer. You have clear evidence that this barber denies service to POC and you are conflicted about what to do? If you go along to get along, or rationalize that you can’t change the guy so why bother, then it probably doesn’t bother you that much.
Ridnik Chrome
@JPL: I come from a mixed-race family (black and white) so as I said, I have long and painful (sometimes literally) experience in dealing with this kind of thing. And I have also seen the effect it has on my own family members. That is why it is so upsetting and so difficult for me.
Iowa Old Lady
@Ridnik Chrome: It’s possible that he explained himself to you because he already sense your disapproval.
hovercraft
@Amir Khalid:
Well you know most of Salon like the Young Turks are still holding out for an indictment to elevate Bernie to the nomination, so they’ll grasp at any straw to give them hope.
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
@Trentrunner:
But the points still peek out from behind.
Ridnik Chrome
@dogwood: If it didn’t bother me, I wouldn’t have posted about it here. See also my response to JPL. I hate that whole “It’s not my job to educate people” cop-out, but after a lifetime of banging your head against a wall you just get tired of it.
Iowa Old Lady
@Ridnik Chrome: I will be honest and say that direct confrontation makes me so uncomfortable that I’d just walk away. I’m not proud of it.
rikyrah
BOOM!!
BOOM!!
Ambassador Gaspard @patrickgaspard
Reading “birther” story in the NY Times and wondering why there’s still a reluctance to call birther movement exactly what it was – Racism.
? Martin
@Punchy:
Oh, bullshit. Design means that every element has a purpose, every element is thought through. That designer had any number of elements to choose from there, but specifically chose a 6 pointed star. That was not random. It might seem random to you because you receive it without much thought, but good designers get paid a lot of money to convey specific messages, to influence behavior, etc. Assume everything is intentional in design. Assume anything written by a professional writer was carefully chosen (blog comments and random twitter posts should come with a more forgiving attitude) because that’s what professional writers do. That’s their job. Their job is sometimes to also make it look unintentional, even when it’s not.
D58826
@Amir Khalid: Maybe the lawyer types can help out here. This investigation has been going on for months. They have had the server for months. How long does it take to figure out if national security has been compromised in any way and if there is criminal intent. We are three weeks away from the national convention which will nominate Hillary as the democratic party’s candidate. The President and VP have both endorsed her publicly and repeatedly. If there was even a hint of an unpaid parking ticket would the FBI/DOJ have allowed this political process to continue? Dropping an indictment now would be like dropping an H-bomb on the political system. Chris Hayes is speculating that there is someone deep in the investigation who has been leaking this mostly anti Hillary information.
At this stage of the game, if there was any chanced that Hillary violated a law wouldn’t they have notified her that she was the subject of a criminal investigation? At that point would she really have sat down with the FBI for a 3 hour talk? I would think a first year law student would have said don’t even drive by the FBI building let alone talk to them.
If the fix was in to cover up wrong doing I would think they would have finished the investigation long before this in order to avoid the drip drip drip of ‘only candidate being investigate by FBI’ talk.
Ruckus
@Ridnik Chrome:
I wouldn’t go back for any more haircuts. Tell him why if that works for you, mainly for the two main reasons people have given, he should learn why he lost your business and he might actually learn something positive about racism. Racism is not just an American issue, it is a human issue, it is world wide. Different groups become the object but it is common as air. And it will never change on it’s own. BTW a certain amount of loss should be built into every business model. The loss could be theft, it could be that something breaks in production and parts are lost, it could be human error in any number of ways, but it will happen. ANY business person should have that concept firmly in mind when owning a business. Yes you work to keep the loss as small as possible but it is inevitable. On the flip side of that inevitable is the company that spends all the time and effort to stop all loss and therefore doesn’t spend enough time on the product/service and loses business because of incompetence.
Brachiator
From the Guardian story on Trump
Trump is certainly stepping into it like the amateur he is in the lead up to the GOP convention.
There are also reports that SEC filings show that Trump is worth at best $4 billion, less than half of what he typically claims. This is consistent with previous estimates by Forbes and Bloomberg News.
And Trump may not only have less ready cash than he previously claimed, he might also have a foreign donation problem. Sucks to be him right now.
The Republicans have a lot of mess to clean up if they really expect Trump to shine.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ridnik Chrome:
I would absolutely go back and explain, politely and kindly, that you won’t be coming back and exactly why you can no longer patronize his barber shop. Who knows — he may turn out to be one of those rare, elusive (but real) creatures who is actually capable of introspection and change, so you might end up doing him a big life-changing favor. But in any case, he needs to know that his overt racism has cost him at least one good customer.
Ridnik Chrome
@Ruckus: Right now, I’m thinking that I’m definitely not going back, but if I see the guy in the neighborhood (which I do from time to time) and he asks why I haven’t been in, then I’ll tell him exactly why.
Corner Stone
@D58826:
This has been over for a long, long while. They were simply waiting for the final BENGHAZI report to come out and show that they ain’t got shit. That’s why the fucking handwringing over the tarmac is nonsense bullshit. Because this has been over for pretty much ever. Nothing else is coming but Republican loudmouthed blather and cowardly Democrats whining about “optics”.
dmsilev
@Brachiator:
The June FEC report will be released on July 20th, the day before Trump’s big acceptance speech at the convention…
MattF
@D58826: It’s clear that someone is leaking ‘information’. Remember that ruckus about how many FBI agents are involved? Started out at 150, ended up at less than 10. Maybe.
Reporters were being fed information, and only stopped repeating it when they got embarrassed by the lies. And we’re talking about reporters from the NYT and WaPo who, arguably, have a corporate reputation to uphold. Cable news reporters still don’t even think of hesitating.
Corner Stone
@Brachiator:
Trump is a cash poor, cheap chiseler. This is obvious by all of his actions to date. He has lived on credit and bluster his entire career, such as it is. He has nothing he can liquidate to generate cash flow.
Corner Stone
It should also be noted that Lena Headey is narrating one of these Shark Week “Air Jaws” docu’s and it is glorious. There’s nothing hotter than listening to her lead up to a big air breach kill.
HAWT
hovercraft
@D58826:
Nothing she says will be the right thing, as she knows from personal history, the questions never end. I’ve given up waiting for the media to ask the question of the republicans about when is enough. Ken Starr was a special prosecutor appointed to investigate I believe Whitewater, and since he couldn’t find anything there he wandered through a bunch of different ‘gate’ until he finally found Bill’s dick. Benghazi happened back in 2012 and eight investigations later we are right back where we started, mistakes were made. The public perception that the Clinton’s are shady is fueled not by any illegality, but in fact by the fact that the republicans have managed to keep them under investigation virtually since the moment they became national figures. So ask the gop the damn question, when is it enough, do you keep digging until you find a crime or are you going to give it a rest already? Yes I know the question will never be asked, and the answer would be never surrender. The gop hates the Clinton’s because in spite of all their efforts they are still standing and thriving.
As an aside they are not without fault and have made many questionable judgement calls, but no ones life can withstand 25 years of constant investigation. The media has joined the gop every step of the way in this stupid game.
JPL
@D58826: That sounds so reasonable, thanks!
Ruckus
@Ridnik Chrome:
From your answer to someone else I see why you feel like you don’t want to go back and confront him. I think that is perfectly sensible. Not all of us are ready for confrontation, especially if we see that it has little payoff. I’ve been trained in it and I still avoid it when possible. It can be very uncomfortable and depending on who is involved it can be scary. But (and there is always a but) without confrontation when necessary and done well, life doesn’t get better, for someone or some group. Just a thought, not in any way a suggestion.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
You sure about that? I had to look for a fishing show or something else bland this morning when Hugh Hewitt had approx 30 minutes of airtime on MSNBC.
I honestly do not get that decision. I change the channel when he’s on some segment. They are literally losing eyeballs by putting him on their air.
burnspbesq
Not entirely OT (it involves Trump supporters), and entirely hilarious.
http://www.sltrib.com/home/4063960-155/kirby-a-trump-supporter-an-el
JPL
@MattF: The NYTimes and Washington Post probably don’t answer the phone anymore, since they have both been burned. That might be why they turned to the Daily Caller.
hovercraft
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Maybe he’s trying to get back into the veep stakes, his stock had fallen after he criticized drump.
Corner Stone
@hovercraft:
Well, technically, HRC running over Vince Foster with her tank in Iraq does kind of qualify as “illegal”.
Josie
@Corner Stone:
At this point, MSNBC and CNN have both lost my eyeballs, since I cut back to the cheapest package allowed under my contract with Uverse. In two months I will cut the cable completely and use only internet. I have had it with paying good money to have such crap come into my house. I hope they all lose viewers by the boatload during this campaign.
burnspbesq
@Brachiator:
If Clinton wins, my bet is that Lynch gets her pick of jobs (SG if she wants it, even though it’s technically a downgrade on the DOJ org chart, or D.C., Second, or Fourth Circuit). Mary Jo White gets AG, Preet Bharara moves from SDNY to head of the SEC, and Andrew Ceresney moves from the Enforcement Division of the SEC to U.S. Attorney for SDNY (it will be his third stint in that office).
burnspbesq
@srv:
Credit where credit is due, you have quite the talent for making shit up.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Corner Stone: What happens in Iraq stays in Iraq.
Emma
@burnspbesq: The only one among our trolls with a working imagination.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
@Villago Delenda Est:
Mrs. Greenspan, maybe? I’m assuming so, but I didn’t know she was on the air at all on Saturdays.
One of the things that makes me nutz about today’s media is the way one person will be a reporter on one program, an anchor on another, a wise analyst on a third, and a fast-talking wise-cracking panellist on yet another — all, of course, on the same network or cable channel, and often on the same day. I know it’s not new, I know it’s what is meant by the “Village circle-jerk,” but for some reason it seems to be way more blatant and commonplace now than it used to be. Or maybe I’m just more sensitised to the phenomenon. Anyhow, it seems as though Andrea Mitchell is one of the most ubiquitous of these media types, although there are certainly many others.
JPL
@burnspbesq: Well here comes Joe for the VP slot, until Clinton has to step down. Then Joe can pick Warren as VP. See how that works. lol
Trump is still crying in his pillow at night, since he is now disgraced.
BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
If it’s about the Clintons, she’s there 24/7.
Doug R
@Corner Stone: Do we need to send in a priestess with a bell? “Shame!”
smith
@MattF:
Not when we’re talking about the Clintons. There’s a long history there, especially with NYT. It’s interesting to see that some of the people who were most involved in the Clinton hunt back in the day have come to see that it was almost all smoke with no fire. Jill Abramson, who was in the thick of it during Whitewater, Travelgate, Lewinsky, ad infinitum, now sees Hillary as fundamentally honest and being held to a higher “purity” standard because she’s a woman. And of course Ken Starr appears to have fundamentally changed his opinion of Bill. These two were major players among the opportunists who tried to make careers out of ruining the Clintons, they’ve seen and heard it all, and they have concluded that the Clintons are not history’s greatest monsters. Would that the current Village would take less than 25 years to figure this out.
maeve
@Amir Khalid:
She grew up not just anywhere in the midwest but in Oklahoma – formerly known as “Indian Territory” – I used to work at the University of Oklahoma and virtually everyone I met who’s family had been in Oklahoma for a few generations had some Native American ancestry.
The Lodger
@SiubhanDuinne: And here I thought it was Mrs. Greenberg from that old radio show.
127 years old and still going strong. I’m rather proud of the old bird.
? Martin
@Ridnik Chrome: I had something pretty similar happen. The guy who cut my hair was the shop opener and would cut my hair before work so he was the only one I ever interacted with. When he retired, I started to go to the other barbers and an incident like that happened. I was waiting with a few other people, including an older latino guy. They called me up, but the other guy had been there longer. I casually indicated he was here first and the barber sort of implied that he was waiting for someone else, but that’s not the expression I got from the guys face, so I asked him if he was ahead of me and he sort of suggested he was. The owner was there at the time so I told him I was done at his shop, he’d get no more business from me or from my son, and that I would make sure that nobody else I knew went there, and after confirming with a few other people that they saw similar things, I did – I posted on Yelp, and had my wife post on Facebook and my son told his friends to not go there. I found a nice shop owned by a Vietnamese immigrant family that is much more respectful to patrons.
The barbershop closed last month, about 4 years after my incident. It was one of the oldest businesses in town and I made a point before they closed to tell them why I worked to drive away their business just so they wouldn’t blame it on Obama or some shit.
I would definitely say something to them, find a new barber, and run them out. I’m fucking tired of this shit.
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
There was some debate among the talking heads about whether he should just go ahead and release the number now even though it must be crappy ( if it wasn’t he would have released it yesterday) , so it doesn’t over shadow his big speech, or use the speech to bury the crappy number.
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
I gave her that one Mulligan.
Betsy
@Ridnik Chrome: once a long time ago in the boroughs a friend of a friend, recent immigrant, came to my home for dinner, and said something conventionally prejudiced about what he called in his limited English, “digger people.” He was trying to establish himself as choosy, I think, and ingratiate himself with me, and thought I’d agree with his racist statement because I’m white.
I said, “Talking about people that way in my home is not acceptable. If you were an American, I would ask you to leave. But you’re still unfamiliar with some of our customs, so I want to just tell you that making statements about people because of their color is not OK, and nice people don’t talk or think that way, even though you may have heard it from other people in this country.”
Recent immigrants pick up on American racism fast, especially that against black people. And maybe when you’re an outsider trying to establish yourself in a new place, it’s easier to fall in to it.
My advice is, help your barber pick up on another prouder American tradition: non-discrimination. Tell him why it’s not OK to discriminate, be friendly, say you think highly of him otherwise and want to continue doing business with him. Say that you realize that he may be picking up on racist comments he’s heard, but you hope that he’ll take the high road and choose another American way.
In your approach, be gentle — take the blame off him and align him *with you* against racists. Much likelier to get non-defensive reaction, and possibly real results in terms of him looking into his heart.
Iowa Old Lady
Trump and Gingrich would make quite the ticket for several reasons, but among them is that the ethics charge that forced Gingrich’s resignation had to do with a college course that turned out to be a fund raiser.
GregB
Let’s make America great again! Am I Reich?
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
You are right, my bad. And the news of the interview was such a big story they had to have her call in to tell us how big a deal this is, even though they breathlessly told us yesterday that they found out about the meeting in a nbc exclusive. They even have a stakeout outside her house, and Kelly O’Donnell told me that one of the neighbors had a pizza delivered for lunch and the delivery guy mistakenly went to the c
Clinton’s house. Breaking News.
D58826
MSNBC is reporting that the interview was not under oath. Therefore the FBI can still charge her if she is caught lying. They will be investigating this when my 5 year old niece is on social security. They will prop Bill and Hillary in a corner and keep on investigating. And there is a precedent. In medieval England they dug up a dead churchman, tried him for heresy, burned him at the stake and dumped his ashes in the Thames. him and
Betsy
@SiubhanDuinne: re: barbershop –that also seems like a good approach. Reasonable and informative.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
Oooh!! Did they get an exclusive interview with the pizza guy? A breathless nation awaits.
raven
Germany-Italy?
Iowa Old Lady
@hovercraft: Which may be why the interview was held at the Hoover Building.
SiubhanDuinne
@Betsy:
A wonderful post, and great advice for Ridnik Chrome and all of us who may come across similar situations.
sukabi
@Robin G.: not so much rehab, as digging deep to lower the bar, something that comes naturally to der drumpf.
D58826
OK here is the real deal according to a commentor on WAPO.
1. Hillary will be indicted
2. Bernie will be nominated
3. Trump will be elected
4. The real powers (Illuminati, space aliens whatever) will then take over the country.
Makes sense
germy shoemangler
SiubhanDuinne
@The Lodger:
No no no no no no no!! That’s Goldberg! Molly Goldberg. Sheesh, and you may turn in your old person credentials at the door.
Corner Stone
@SiubhanDuinne:
Yes, but unfortunately it started out with theme music from a 1970’s pr0n movie. “Pizza delivery for one Hillary RodHam? Yes, that’s me. But call me Hillz.”
Bow chicka wow, bow wowwa!
Emma
@efgoldman: You are so lucky I’d put my Pepsi down. Otherwise I’d be billing you for my laptop.
SiubhanDuinne
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Yes, good point; she’s always on call for the Clintongate du jour. She must have a portable crypt that she keeps at the MSNBC studio.
SiubhanDuinne
@Corner Stone:
Snerk
smith
@efgoldman: Yeah — Funny how some people develop empathy overnight when something like that happens.
BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne:
She is married to the Cryptkeeper.
germy shoemangler
The Lodger
@SiubhanDuinne: Aside from AARP and the unsolicited senior discount at the nearby Native American gaming establishment, my old fart credentials haven’t yet been fully activated. It’ll happen soon enough though.
Villago Delenda Est
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes, Mrs. Greenspan.
Villago Delenda Est
@germy shoemangler: Good luck getting iCarly to jump on that ship. But then again, you don’t want iCarly anywhere near you if you seed credibility on anything.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Villago Delenda Est: But, iCarly does bring her ‘Demon Sheep’ with her.
Villago Delenda Est
@smith: I’m more and more convinced that the only way to get The Village to change is to bring Bruce Banner along with you, point at The Village, and say “Hulk, Smash!” and let him do what he does best.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Villago Delenda Est: Aren’t you just repeating what your nym says?
Brachiator
@burnspbesq: Makes sense. Some interesting names here. The wild card will be whether the Republicans continue their thing of blocking judicial and other appointments. I could also see some fool trying to “make an example” of Lynch or floating some BS that a Hillary Clinton appointment to a future position was a reward for favorable treatment with respect to the FBI investigation.
Villago Delenda Est
@BillinGlendaleCA: Well, yes. But I like to come up with pop culture references for those who think it has something to do with Vietnam.
D58826
@Brachiator: If Hillary selected Wil E Coyote to head road runner control, the GOP would find a way to blame it on benghazi or the e-mails.
D58826
PurpleGirl
@gogol’s wife: I’m not sure but I believe that Twitter can pull a item and independent of the sender. So they already pull the tweet and then the version with the circle was posted. There’s a link to a tweet by someone which has both tweets. Look for the tweet by Bradd Jaffy (above in the BJ post).
Groucho48
@srv:
While the other candidate had his court dates for fraud and swindling moved to after the elections. I wonder when his child rape case will be heard?
Tripod
The morons endlessly went after Holder, so why wouldn’t they do the same to Lynch? Same shit, different day, right down to the oh so disappointed true leftists.
SiubhanDuinne
@D58826:
If ever a human being deserved a front-page thread all to himself….
What a great writer, witness, thinker, and human being. May he rest in peace, and may his words inspire many generations to come.
J R in WV
@Ridnik Chrome:
Don’t forget that, even though it probably doesn’t have any effect where he is living and cutting hair today (Queens? Right?) in many parts of the country your former barber would be on the other side of that racial divide.
Can he be totally unaware of that? Maybe… Would he find it interesting? Probably. But I’m Mr white bread in a white bread area, so I dunno, really.
JPL
Both ABC News and NYTimes have stories on the Donald Trump tweet.
JPL
Crooked JellyBean
Groucho48
@Ridnik Chrome:
It’s tough reacting immediately to something like that. But, going back and bringing it up is awkward and will probably automatically make the guy defensive and he will tune you right out.
My suggestion is to be ready for the next time it happens, either with the barber or somewhere else. Be non-confrontational and reasonable but make it clear you disagree.
I know, for myself, this kind of thing comes up every few years when I’m at a bar, relaxing. The first couple times I was caught by surprise and let it pass, as I’m not a confrontational person. But, I decided that that’s a cop-out. Now, if I’m in a conversation and some racist or sexist remark comes out, I calmly discuss it, making it clear I disagree with the statement, and it’s not personal or a judgment on him (it’s always a him.) That generally keeps things low key and the guy generally retracts what he said. Does that mean I’ve convinced him he’s wrong? probably not. But, it might make him a little more cautious about repeating it somewhere else. And, if we can get enough cautious racists/sexists, the poison won’t continue to be so common.
john fremont
@Corner Stone: While shredding documents from Whitewater at the same time and shipping in Cocaine in Mena Arkansas!!!
Miss Bianca
@MattF: late back to this thread and it’s probably dead, but I guess I’ll have to look that study up – it’s not immediately ringing a bell with me.
Peter
@Groucho48: Sadly, not until after the election.