Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

He really is that stupid.

The fight for our country is always worth it. ~Kamala Harris

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

SCOTUS: It’s not “bribery” unless it comes from the Bribery region of France. Otherwise, it’s merely “sparkling malfeasance”.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you don’t.

Accountability, motherfuckers.

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Bark louder, little dog.

The republican caucus is covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

Elections aren’t won by handwringing, cowering, and/or bashing your own candidates.

Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.

Motown is Joe-Town!

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. keep building.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Israel is using food as a weapon of war. Unforgivable.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

If marriage is the equivalent of selling yourself into slavery, women with self respect should reject the offer.

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  2. 2.

    dmsilev

    But, but, Donald Trump had the manager of his son’s charity giving a speech. We’ll call it a draw.

  8. 8.

    matryoshka

    Haven’t posted here in years but often lurking, and I have to say–the convention has been affirming, uplifting, exciting, and bold. I am so proud to be a Dem!!!!

  9. 9.

    Nom de Plume

    Well Donald, you wanted to play on the biggest playing field in the world. Hope you’re enjoying it so far.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Son of a bitch. Was that better than his ’04 speech? I think it was better than in 2008.

  15. 15.

    David Fud

    For the ages. Really. Obama is amazing. I can’t wait to see what he does next. I sort of hope he wants a Supreme Court seat though I know he has said he doesn’t want it.

  18. 18.

    PsiFighter37

    Fired up and ready to go!

    The only thing that annoyed me were the hecklers and the cutaways to a scowling Bernie Sanders – clearly smoldering with some kind of anger…his face was red the whole time.

    I hope the hecklers can shut the hell up tomorrow night.

  19. 19.

    MisterForkbeard

    That was amazing. I’m jazzed and excited in a way I haven’t been in awhile. It’s one thing to know intellectually that Hillary will be a great president, and to like her and her policies, trying to convince your Bernie friends that she’s on the right side of history. It’s another to be fucking excited about it.

    Fired up and ready to go! :)

  20. 20.

    Kent

    I’m with Hillary and have been this whole campaign but man… Can we vote for Obama just one more time?

  22. 22.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Thanks, Obama.

    Seriously, from the bottom of my heart.

    Thank you, President Obama.

  24. 24.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 6m6 minutes ago
    A hell of a speech. Beyond President Clinton’s in ’12. As effective as any of them could hope for. He won’t go lightly.

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 11m11 minutes ago
    You can tell the ones he writes mostly himself.

  30. 30.

    GxB

    In a sane world, this would be all over – guess that’s just telling me where I live….

  34. 34.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    sweet fucking christ, after that, MSNBC reaches out to a fucking Bernie delegate.

    assholes.

  36. 36.

    Emma

    As I said in the thread below, we have witnessed a seminar in political speechifying, complete with a master class. Trump’s probably being rub down with Ben-Gay about right now, ’cause the guy has bruises all over..

  39. 39.

    Matt McIrvin

    Yonatan Zunger on G+ (who I know is scared shitless of Trumpism) thinks the speech was tone-deaf:

    Observation while listening to the President’s speech at the Democratic Convention: the message tonight was resolutely optimistic. He talked about all the things that the US has overcome, how we got through wars and recessions and so on. Contrasting this with Trump’s speech last week, you can really see what’s happening in this election. Clinton is running as the candidate of people whose lives and stability have generally recovered since the crash; Trump is running as the candidate of people whose lives haven’t.

    What surprised me most about tonight’s speech in this regard was how little awareness it seemed to show that this division was real. 

  40. 40.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    Bearing witness to a once in a lifetime force. He’s so special, I just can’t even think about what comes next without feeling a bit of despair.

  45. 45.

    Keith G

    Some of us who have been around for a while spent a lot of time being faithful to a political party that usually seemed to be playing defense.

    One of the great gifts from Obama (and now I think HRC) is to have a political party that plays offense from a position it has staked out on the grounds of basic and solid values.

  51. 51.

    Suzanne

    I had Spawn the Younger’s back-to-school night tonight and I got home just a few minutes ago. I only saw half of POTUS’s speech. Never mind, I’m still crying. I needed this today.

    My ex-husband told me I was an “abusive cunt” and mocked my weight today, so I have had better days. I needed to be lifted up. Can I vote for Obama for life???

  53. 53.

    Baud

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It’s kind of awful. Someone that into Bernie and there as part of a Bernie group is probably not going to be willing to come out on national TV as a convert, even assuming she’s not a dead ender.

  54. 54.

    Elie

    Amazing!! So proud! Wow, so much — so many emotions! I love the way he and Hillary hugged after and how they looked at each other… Wow wow wow —

    Amazing amazing amazing!!!

  55. 55.

    rikyrah

    Nicholas ThompsonVerified account
    ‏@nxthompson
    Kaine: “Somos Americanos todos.”
    Trump: Illegal immigrants are killing your children

  56. 56.

    Tee

    Well I just sent my first donation to the democrat who is running to replace the republican congresscritter for my neck of the woods. I even signed up for a yard sign. I’m gonna have fun with my neighbors now. I really liked Tim Kaine’s line about “believe me”.

  62. 62.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @David Fud: NO! Good god, no! There are shit loads of bright, liberal judges and law professors who could be great Justices. Obama can do more if he chooses to. Also, he has done enough that, if he decides to grow dreads and smoke weed on the beaches in Hawaii, no one gets to say boo.

  63. 63.

    PigDog

    Lurker here for five-plus years. Early this afternoon I was almost sick to my stomach thinking about the possibility that we could blunder our way into a President who would play fast and loose with our security just to settle personal scores.

    Tonight brought back my confidence. We have a kick-ass ticket and strong, unexpected allies. If we avoid complacency, we will win and win big.

  64. 64.

    dmsilev

    @Suzanne: Sorry to hear that your ex is an ass.

    And sorry that no, we have to let Obama go. Though I think the poor guy has earned a rest.

  65. 65.

    Elie

    @Keith G:

    One of the great gifts from Obama (and now I think HRC) is to have a political party that plays offense from a position it has staked out on the grounds of basic and solid values.

    Well said… That basis in values just rings out loud for me… I have been hearing it woven through this convention and the themes of the speakers. Its called SOUL… We got SOUL…. yes we do…

  70. 70.

    gogol's wife

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m thinking “Lincoln Second Inaugural” all the way through it.

    Kids are going to be studying this in their history books. As long as Trumpsky doesn’t open the seventh seal.

  74. 74.

    MomSense

    @Suzanne:

    Well at least you know you made the right choice when you divorced him! I know you’ve been working your ass off and in the trenches with your daughter because that’s what the good moms do! Sending you a big hug and a fuck off to your ex.

  76. 76.

    Emma

    @Omnes Omnibus: I always see him as leading a major international effort. He would be a great UN High Commissioner.

    But the beach in Hawaii sounds good too.

  77. 77.

    danielx

    Anyone here chose to disagree?

    Not for a New York minute.

    It is a complete mind fuck, though, to think back to the RNC and compare hope and light tonight, speech-wise, to fear, anger and darkness then. How is it that so many agree with Trump, even though he’s demonstrably unfit for the office and a treacherous and possibly treasonous swine in the bargain? They’re not all bad and/or stupid people, so how is it….is there something down in the limbic brain of some people that causes them to adore demagogues, given the right conditioning?

    Mind you, there’s probably someone on a wingnut site this instant writing the mirror image of this.

  78. 78.

    MikeBoyScout

    Someone near you is not yet registered to vote in the November election. We can make the change we believe in.

    If we all do our little bit we can win the whole kit and caboodle.

    Yes.We.Can.

  80. 80.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    and while we’re flashing back, I just got my first “hey” email of the season! From Barack!

  81. 81.

    japa21

    @Matt McIrvin: Must have missed the part where Obama talked about all the people who still haven’t been part of the recovery. Idiot.

    Also, I think the first words Hillary said to him when she came out was “How the fuck am I supposed to follow that?”

    And you could see the mutual respect they felt for each other. I was listening to Biden being interviewed on Morning Joke today and he talked about how, early in the first term he looked at Obama and said “You know, at first I didn’t think we could be friends.” Obama then said, “Neither did I.” Obviously, they did. I think the same is true of Obama and Clinton.

  86. 86.

    Elie

    @Suzanne:

    Take care of yourself, please. Nothing worse than a bad marriage and how it scars you. But life is good, and you will heal. Press forward with hope…

  87. 87.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Erick Ericsson ‏@ EWErickson 14m14 minutes ago
    I started the evening saying for the first time I thought Trump could win. Then Obama spoke. I’m so angry at my own party right now.

    Ross Dothan ‏@ DouthatNYT 15m15 minutes ago
    A speech to make Republican elites feel sickened (as they should be) by what their party has nominated.

    as somebody else said, they sold their party to a racist cantaloupe for a dime

  88. 88.

    Fair Economist

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    sweet fucking christ, after that, MSNBC reaches out to a fucking Bernie delegate.

    Remember, MSNBC is controlled by arch-conservative Sumner Redstone. He’s largely incapacitated these days but clearly his influence lives on. MSNBC exists to make money off liberal viewers WITHOUT helping liberal candidates.

  91. 91.

    danielx

    @LAO:

    And I’m tolerably certain he’s not alone. I can understand the feeling of outrage; how dare that man sound inspiring instead of trying to scare the piss out of the audience.

  92. 92.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    @Suzanne: your ex-husband is trying to make you feel bad because it makes him feel better. Tell him to go fuck himself because that’s the only person who’ll fvck him. Ignore the toxic a55hole.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Keith G: But many of those who were playing defense needed to do so. If they hadn’t, the ground to move forward wouldn’t be here.

    ETA: I was around for the 80s and 90s as well. We were not going to get groundbreaking progress during those years. Stopping or even slowing the right-wing onslaught was a good thing.

  94. 94.

    BR

    I am so proud of Obama now and to have walked door to door in the snow in Iowa and the heat in Nevada in 2007 and 2008 to help in a tiny way see this come to pass. He really has revitalized my spirits.

  98. 98.

    jl

    It occurred to me that what Obama did, in his sections on Trump, was another version of his correspondents’ dinner (or whatever the particular journalist debauch that was) demolition job. (Seemingly) ‘good-natured’ (ha ha, but not really) ridicule was the really hurtful line of attack.

  100. 100.

    sigaba

    @Kent:

    Can we vote for Obama just one more time?

    Why yes you can. His successor and guardian of his legacy is up in the fall.

  102. 102.

    Suzanne

    @MomSense: He has been unemployed for six months, has been drinking again, is increasingly unreliable and nasty. Still living at his girlfriend’s house, though I’m sure they’ll break up soon. She’ll get sick of him. I think he may be using drugs again, too.

  104. 104.

    Elie

    @BR:

    I hear you — door to door in Virginia… such spirit and positive energy… I will never forget…

  105. 105.

    hueyplong

    For the life of me I can’t understand why Obama’s approval rating ever dips below 85%.

    @Suzanne. That guy cannot define you. Only you can do that.

  106. 106.

    Ajabu

    My two granddaughters are currently ages 6 & 7. They have never (in their lifetimes) known another president but Barack Obama. So they already assume POTUS is a Black man’s job.
    Come January 2017 they’ll discover it’s also a woman’s job.
    So they’ll realize they have both qualifications necessary to run the country when they grow up. I LOVE THAT!!

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @japa21:

    Must have missed the part where Obama talked about all the people who still haven’t been part of the recovery. Idiot.

    Go listen again.

  112. 112.

    Old Broad in California

    I was really impressed with Kaine as well. And the President absolutely killed it!

  113. 113.

    Redshift

    Tim Kaine comment from last thread that got eaten by network problems:

    @Anoniminous:

    This is a very clever speech. Introducing himself as an easy-going guy you’d like to have over for BBQ hamburgers and a beer.

    And he really is like that, I’ve met him. He’s more deserving of the “guy you’d like to have a beer with” than any of the jerks the media have bestowed that on.

  115. 115.

    Elie

    @Suzanne:

    Protect yourself best you can. Most important is to protect yourself from feeling any mercy because his illness will work to manipulate you. Please go to a support group. NAMI is great but there are others.. They give you the language to talk to yourself honestly and supportively. Lots of good resources too — good lawyers and therapists… Know they are there and they do great work….

  116. 116.

    sigaba

    @jl: it’s only hurtful of your a weirdo. If Barack Obama had roasted ME like that at a correspondents dinner I would have told my grandkids about it. Then again I did not pay people to find BHO’s “real” birth certificate or anything.

  117. 117.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @PigDog: Love your ‘nym. Welcome to the snake pit. And just to get it out of the way, here is your first fuck you: Fuck you.

  118. 118.

    MomSense

    @Suzanne:

    Be careful. Try not to let his nasty messages in but I know it’s so much harder to do than it should be. I don’t know if your DAs office has a victim’s advocate but it might be worth a call. You don’t have to put up with that treatment.

  119. 119.

    danielx

    @Suzanne:

    A tune which will help, maybe….just to raise spirits.

    It will get better, after a lot of miserable times and second-guessing yourself. Family and friends, including those here, and focus on good stuff like kittens and cinnamon rolls and so forth….

    And in the meantime I’d bet there are accountants and lawyers on here with suggestions about how to indulge your cruelest fantasies if you want to go that route. Find an attorney whose phone number begins with 666….

  125. 125.

    Central Planning

    @Suzanne:

    My ex-husband told me I was an “abusive cunt” and mocked my weight today,

    He’s like the Trump of ex-husbands. What a douche.

  126. 126.

    rikyrah

    The First LadyVerified account
    ‏@FLOTUS
    That’s my man! Your truth, dignity and grace reminds us what real leadership looks like. I am always proud of our @POTUS. -mo

  127. 127.

    Bumper

    @Suzanne: I’ve met you and can say definitively that your ex is an ass. No one deserves to be so vilely insulted but you in no way fit his description. You are truly beautiful on the outside and a loving, attentive mom. Don’t let his nastiness get you down.

  129. 129.

    greennotGreen

    Re: Bernie’s scowl.
    Often when my best friend takes my picture, she’ll admonish me to smile, but I reply, “I am smiling!” Some of us just have faces that settle into scowls even when we don’t mean it. If my face looked like how I felt, I’d look like Tim Kaine!

    And I love President Obama so much! I don’t think I’ll see another one like him in this life.

  130. 130.

    Elie

    @redshirt:

    I had mothers invite me — a black stranger — into their homes for coffee. Talking about how they were working their friends for Obama. In our doorbelling group, there were workers from Australia and UK and South America (you can work for a campaign without being a citizen). Plus regular Virginians of all classes and incomes. It was so organized! Debriefed after each doorbelling foray and information uploaded. I just laughed and cried watching VA go blue that election night! It was a big swing state and that color was an affirmation of my hard work and all that great energy I sucked up…

  131. 131.

    Suzanne

    @hueyplong: I can define him. I told him he was an irresponsible, incompetent loser and a drunk. This was after he missed taking Spawn to two commitments because he “forgot what day it was”, and “lost track of the time”, and lost his job for being hung over, which he refers to as “health problems”. I will also note that he hasn’t paid for any of her braces, mental health care, piano lessons (that he wants her to take but he doesn’t want to actually take her to). And he has been unemployed for six months despite a solid job market, due to all of the aforementioned issues.

    He asked me if I was pregnant, because he says “you’re showing”. Never mind that he is 50 pounds overweight. I should lose 25 pounds but fuck him with a spiky acid-tipped dick.

  132. 132.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Watching the Weekend Update kids on MSNBC. I wonder if enough people are aware of how goofy Susan Sarandon has become to make a Kate McKinnon imitation possible

  136. 136.

    Suzanne

    @Bumper: Awww thanks. Hugs to you and scritches to Bumper.

    Pets make it all better. I can assure you that my cats do not worry about their pudge.

  139. 139.

    Aimai

    @Suzanne: if you feel lonely check out the boatds at babycenter (BBC)–they have a very useful divorce and custody, step parents, and general support (called all in the family) there is always someone there to hold your hand.

  140. 140.

    Brachiator

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    and that’s the only voter, ‘civilian’, they’ve spoken to. I really can’t believe it.

    She’s not the only one, and we might as well acknowledge it.
    We all saw that the majority were clearly in the president’s corner, and strongly support Hillary.

    Obama was fantastic and generous enough to praise Bernie and then take it to a higher level by challenging them not just to support Hillary, but to stay involved. The ball is now in their court. They have to decide whether to be actively participating citizens, or whiny ass dopes.

    Meanwhile, you just cannot say enough good things about the speech. And I liked one of the shots of Obama and Hillary standing together on the stage after Obama had finished.

  141. 141.

    Suzanne

    @danielx: Oh, if I could completely destroy his self-esteem, I would. I’m not that good a person to always take the high road.

  142. 142.

    Kay

    They’ve already started this theme that Tim Kaine is the nice suburban dad :)

    Tim Kaine surprised you by telling you that of course you’re coming with his family on their trip to Disney World, you’re family too

    Tim Kaine is that neighbor who snowblows your driveway for you before you even wake up.

  145. 145.

    Quinerly

    @Suzanne:
    Long time lurker, only a recent poster. Have enjoyed your comments for quite awhile. Sending you positive thoughts. He’s an ass.

  147. 147.

    Suzanne

    @Central Planning: No, I said that I should lose 25 pounds. He snidely asked if I was pregnant and said, “Because you’re showing”. The irony is that he should lose at least 50 pounds, so insulting my weight is not just mean but hypocritical.

  150. 150.

    Suzanne

    @Aimai: I lost 400 pounds when I divorced him, because I also got to divorce his mom. HOLY SHIT, she is like the evillest person I have ever met.

  151. 151.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    @Suzanne:

    I don’t know you, but you have my sympathy. Divorce turns some people into broken, embittered, toxic creatures. Don’t let him determine your worth or define you; his words reveal more about himself.

  152. 152.

    Central Planning

    @Suzanne: Like I said above, he’s like the Trump of ex-husbands. I’ve always enjoyed your commentary here. And it’s still true, I should lose 25 pounds as well!

  153. 153.

    hueyplong

    Anyone who hasn’t clicked on the link at post 33 above is missing a really good time reading the comments in reaction to a petulant Rich Lowry tweet about the Obama speech. It’s definitely good for what ails you.

  156. 156.

    Steeplejack

    I’m eight minutes behind on the DVR. These two SNL guys on MSNBC are not succeeding in being funny. They just made fun of Tim Kaine’s “eighth-grade Spanish.” “You’re about to be the vice president. When would you ever need that?”

  157. 157.

    jl

    @Matt McIrvin: As another commenter pointed out, all the main speakers have their roles apportioned out pretty carefully.
    HRC has a speech to give. She might be the one to go into the pain many in the country feel. She’s the one who is running for national office. People who are making up their minds who to vote for will want to hear it from her.

  158. 158.

    divF

    @Central Planning: I’ve also thought that Trump is the asshole ex-husband, -boyfriend, -boss of politicians. Hence the huge gender gap.

    ETA: Suzanne: you, on the other hand, have been great company here, and a loving and conscientious parent in the real world. Hang in there.

  159. 159.

    cckids

    @Suzanne: Wow. Grade – A jackass, and a lying, delusional tool to boot. Rise up. Dust him off your soul. Have some ice cream (or your choice of goodie).

  160. 160.

    Suzanne

    Thanks, y’all. Fighting makes me tired.

    I’m thinking it would be fun to tell his girlfriend about his Ashley Madison account.

  165. 165.

    median

    @hueyplong: “They’re trying to take all our stuff!” is a great summation of Republican philosophy. They don’t need anything else.

  167. 167.

    TheMightyTrowel

    I stuck this in the thread upstairs too, but this is my little request:

    Can we start the BJ fundraising thing now? In previous elections I’ve loved all the recs about state and regional elections with great candidates and links to their fundraising pages. I live outside the US and want to do what I can and often that’s shoot some money in the direction of a candidate in regional america who isn’t getting publicity but can get shit done.

    I really value all the suggestions that come through here and the BJ fundraising posts have been great reminders to chuck some money at candidates in lower profile races.

  169. 169.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    Hey, where are our trolls tonight? Fuckers be all quiet suddenly.

  170. 170.

    Steeplejack

    @Suzanne:

    I should lose 25 pounds[,] but fuck him with a spiky acid-tipped dick.

    LOL. Commas are crucial.

    And condolences on having a dickweed for an ex.

  173. 173.

    Steeplejack

    Watching the speeches on C-SPAN is definitely the way to go. I came over to MSNBC for the aftermath, and even that is too much bullshit.

  176. 176.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: The shining city on a hill had nothing to do with the Right. It came from a Puritan. The people who encouraged universal education The people who invented town hall meetings to decide things. Did they fuck up a lot of shit? Yep. Are we a better country for them, yep as well.

  177. 177.

    Anya

    @Suzanne: What a revolting asshole. I am sorry you had to deal with that disgusting pig.

    I am still crying. I can’t believe we won’t have Obama after January 20th.

  180. 180.

    Feebog

    @Suzanne:

    Deep breath. Your ex is obviously an asshole. If he is an alcoholic and addict to boot, that just compounds the assholery. Not telling you anything you don’t already know, but don’t let his abuse controll you.

  182. 182.

    Redshift

    @Villago Delenda Est: Oh, yeah. It was bizarre to me that the Village thought people would want to get a beer with him (even leaving aside the whole alcoholic thing.) To me, he seemed like a guy who would pick the biggest guy in the bar, tell him you insulted his mother, steal both of your drinks, and duck out the back.

  183. 183.

    Ruckus

    @Matt McIrvin:
    From your quote

    Clinton is running as the candidate of people whose lives and stability have generally recovered since the crash; Trump is running as the candidate of people whose lives haven’t.

    I call bullshit.
    What percentage of people of color have recovered?
    What percentage of women have recovered?
    What percentage of retired people have recovered?
    What percentage of young people have recovered?
    He isn’t speaking to them, he is speaking about them and not in any positive way.
    And yes, what percentage of middle aged, under educated white men have recovered?
    Yes most of us are better off than we were 6-8 yrs ago but recovered? Back in decent financial health? Not me, not many of us. Better yes, recovered no. How many never will be fully recovered? And who exactly got us back to where we are? Not one fucking republican, not one.
    And who exactly got us into the dumps in the first place? Every fucking republican.

    Trump is running as the racist fuck who wants to destroy everything, as a fucking vanity project, that then man you just listened to did to return us to a lot better than we were, Trump is nothing more, nothing less than a bitter, racist asshole.

  187. 187.

    Ruckus

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yes most of us are better off than we were 6-8 yrs ago but recovered? Back in decent financial health? Not me, not many of us. Better yes, recovered no. How many never will be fully recovered?

    …..that the man you just listened to did to return us to a lot better than we were,

    It ain’t – name your favorite author here – but I think it’s pretty clear that I’m giving President Obama credit for putting us far down the road to recovery, but many of us are not recovered. Me for example. Am I better today? Absolutely, 500% better.
    And that’s due to President Obama.

    ETA and I see that while I was composing this, it turns out I didn’t need to. Nevermind me if you need to as well.

  188. 188.

    piratedan

    @Bumper: ditto… he’s just projecting his self loathing on to you, don’t let him. Fuck lady, you design hospitals, he wallows in his own despair.

  189. 189.

    Mnemosyne

    @Suzanne:

    Christ, what an asshole. (Your ex, not POTUS.) Nothing more fun than an asshole with mental health issues who insists he’s just fine, it’s everyone else who’s crazy.

  191. 191.

    barb2

    @Ruckus:

    Tump is running as the racist fuck who wants to destroy everything, as a fucking vanity project, that then man you just listened to did to return us to a lot better than we were, Trump is nothing more, nothing less than a bitter, racist asshole

    White identity politics, Trump is like his KKK father. Trump’s real message – make racism OK again.

    One theme my husband picked up on – the number of ex Republicans speaking tonight. They got off some real barbed zingers. Mayor Bloomberg – I’m from NY and I know con artists. He said.

    We could do without the zombie chanters. Those fucks should be barred tomorrow night.

    Josh Marshall TPM – we are at war. This is like no other election in our history. . Quote below is on the TPM home page.

    Our Spinning Gyre
    9:48 PM I made perhaps the unwise decision to get into a back and forth on Twitter with folks who thought it was a great idea to cause a convention brouahha by booing Leon Panetta. If people think Panetta is a “war-monger”, okay. I get it. I don’t agree with it. But I respect it. But if you’re choosing this venue to boo when we’re in the middle of a battle simply to make sure a dangerous – uniquely dangerous – figure like Donald Trump doesn’t become president, I can’t respect that. And I can’t believe that you really get the stakes of what this election have become. This is a zero sum situation, like every election, but I think more so. Everything matters right now. Every little bit and moment counts. For me this election has never been about Hillary Clinton. But now it’s gone way beyond Democrats and Republicans. What I see at stake right now is what I talked about in this post. If you can’t see that or understand that I don’t think you’re paying attention and I don’t know what to say to you. The damage that this man has done simply through his campaign is far more than I think we understand. What would come after his election is unthinkable.

    Sanders self center cult members. Cult deprograming squad needed.

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    Applejinx

    If Bernie had bitch face and was red and cranky, it’s because

    a) he lost, and it’s been handled damn gracefully by the Democratic Party
    b) everybody in the party up to Obama is saying, good job, important work, we need your constituency and they have valid points
    c) i.e. ‘we can take them over now, issues adopted, thanks kbai’
    d) the ones who ARE still seeing him as the sole leader for this platform are annoying jerks who are hurting what he cares about
    e) it’s obvious they’re not helping and not capable of helping him hang on to a powerbroker type of role.

    I do feel badly for him, and that’s why I’m so dogged and fierce about protecting his role as my Senator. He was there for me waaaaay before any of this. Loyalty is earned. I’m a Vermonter and I’m entitled to have that opinion because again, he was there for me many years before all this went down.

    At the same time (Russia, I mean DNC, are you listening?) I’m completely prepared to let the Democrats take over what Bernie wanted to exclusively represent. He wanted to be the socialist populist guy, the one running against oligarchy. Unfortunately he made his case so exhaustively, that now the oligarchy is (quite rightly) running against oligarchy. If the Dem speeches can be believed, that means Bernie is superfluous. If Hillary’s got that message as strongly as it would appear, we technically don’t need Bernie anymore.

    Noted rich-guy Nick Hanauer has been carrying on for years about how we gotta get populist or the poors will break out the tumbrels. Observing Brexit ought to have been evidence enough for anybody that it can happen here. I’m not shocked if Obama (most of all) but also Clinton (who keeps getting smarter and more determined) are up to speed with all this. When you put all the pieces together, it’s ‘bail out Main Street, (votes in place of ???), profit!’ time. That is why Trump is so desperately trying to co-opt that message, though it’s absurd for him even to pretend it.

    I’m cool with looking after Bernie as the scale of his ambitions returns to us few up here in Vermont. I won’t see that taken away from him, it’s really rude even to suggest it after the way our leaders have carried on over him: he’s now the pet socialist, to be kept as an example of right thinking in our green-mountained rest home for the no longer politically central.

    I’m more than happy for Hillary Clinton to continue that direction and get credit for making it a real thing. That’s the message we got. I say ‘please do’. In so doing, we take on board all the revolutionaries who’re worth a damn… all the revolutionaries who can get to work once they get what they want. We leave behind the ones who would just break stuff to have something else to yell about…

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