Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Democracy cannot function without a free press.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

The revolution will be supervised.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The desire to stay informed is directly at odds with the need to not be constantly enraged.

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Speaker Mike Johnson is a vile traitor to the House and the Constitution.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Oh FFS you might as well trust a 6-year-old with a flamethrower.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

She burned that motherfucker down, and I am so here for it. Thank you, Caroline Kennedy.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

We will not go back.

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Keep in mind: These tweets are from actual, working journalists! So why is the cable-media “news” so determined to promote Trump’s “winning tactics”? Is it just C.R.E.A.M. — because the Repubs have worked the refs so effectively that the producers/editors assume advertisers “want” Idiocracy-level spectacles?


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  3. 3.

    p.a.

    I’d be interested in reading foreign journos takes on our political reporting. Was the Brit press flaccid in challenging pro-Brexit propaganda?

  5. 5.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    Cosign: The LWV should be running the debates again. I fear it won’t happen anytime soon though. :-(

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  7. 7.

    JR in WV

    After growing up in a newsroom/printing plant, and then living for 40 years with a correspondent with The AP, and seeing real journalism being committed, these bozos are a pretty sad lot of fail.

    Mrs J used to get msgs on her answering machine with death threats, from dirty cops she wrote about. One was so bad she took it to the judge, who listened in silence and issued a concealed carry permit the moment it was over. I just carried open. We both did until they got the cop put away, where he still is I think. This was quite a while ago.

    I think a serious death threat would send Brooks to a remote hospital, or MoDo, or any of the CNN domestic staff. Some of the war correspondents would probably blow it off.

    These bozos don’t even want to risk harsh words from a political candidate who plans either genocide or ethnic cleansing, which are both war crimes, straight from the Balkans and ISIL.

    A real shame if they destroy democracy over their failure to learn real reportage. Mrs J could teach them a thing of two, except she’s a woman, and they can’t learn a dammed thing from a girl.

  8. 8.

    TaMara (HFG)

    For those keeping track, Trump and Clinton are holding “dueling” events and all three cable news channels are airing Trump, not Clinton.

    How are they justifying this? Is it true or just speculation?

    **And note, Never, Never wade into the twitter comments from these links. Yikes.

  9. 9.

    Frankensteinbeck

    Is it

    Yes to everything, and more besides. All of the motivations that Beltway journalists have line up in the same direction: Let Republicans get away with bullshit, especially racist bullshit. Superficial ideas about what drives ratings do not have to compete with what the company owners want, laziness, ego, or the political inclinations of the reporters themselves. It all goes the same way.

  11. 11.

    Mnemosyne

    Wallace is probably trying to avoid getting turned into the new Candy Crowley, who had the temerity to politely point out that Mitt Romney told a lie during one of the 2012 debates.

  12. 12.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    I want the journos to ask Trump for proof that he’s being audited. I think it’s a perfectly fair question. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump is not being audited. I doubt with the limited resources the IRS has,that he gets audited every year. Even with rich people taking advantage of the tax system I don’t see the IRS auditing them every single year. They’re going to spread around.

  13. 13.

    Aleta

    You have to wonder who their influences were in school, who their role models are, what inspired them to go into news journalism?

  15. 15.

    RK

    Polls consistently say Americans hate the media so I don’t see how they matter, especially cable which has a tiny audience. If Clinton loses this election, it’ll be because of Hillary Clinton, the worst politician in memory; disliked by many, inspiring no one.

  18. 18.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @Mai.naem.mobile: Warning Politico (from February 26):

    IRS Commissioner John Koskinen said Friday that it would be unlikely for a taxpayer to be audited for multiple years in a row, a day after Donald Trump maintained the agency had audited him a dozen years running.

    Koskinen, in an interview with C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers,” stressed repeatedly that he couldn’t comment directly on Trump’s personal tax situation. But the IRS chief also strongly suggested that the scenario Trump laid out in Thursday’s GOP debate was improbable.

    “It would be rare for anyone to be audited every year,” Koskinen said in the interview, which will air Sunday. If there were no issues following an audit, Koskinen added, “it’s a number of years — two or three at least — before you hear from us again.”

    Of course, the Teabaggers are trying to impeach the IRS commissioner so Trump is probably innocent and telling the truth (in Bizarro World).

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  22. 22.

    gratuitous

    If the moderator isn’t supposed to call out the lies, who is? Who else is there to give voters real-time feedback when a candidate is peddling a whopper? Romney flat-out lied (okay, it was a petty Republican hobby horse talking point, but it was still a lie), and Candy Crowley called him on it right on stage. Romney’s reaction to being told he was incorrect – by a woman – gave voters some invaluable information about candidate Romney and how he might act as President Romney. This was information that wasn’t likely to get to voters in any other way.

    By pre-emptively telling the candidates he’s not going to stop them when they lie, Wallace is giving them free rein to say whatever the hell they want. Anyone want to give their estimate on who’s the more accomplished liar between Trump and Clinton? Who’s going to benefit from Wallace’s “facts off” policy?

  23. 23.

    justawriter

    The only way ‘Murica will get what happens at the debates is if CNN uses a laugh track whenever Trump speaks.

  26. 26.

    Major Major Major Major

    @efgoldman: Hell, that could be the idiot from high school I literally just finished arguing with on Facebook. This “worst candidate in history” talking point must have come down the wire from somewhere. I know they’ve been saying it all along, but it’s especially loud today.

  28. 28.

    hovercraft

    @gratuitous:
    It’s up to the voters to decide, silly. It’s the next step down the road of he said she said reporting. Facts are not the most important thing, it’s feelings the count the most. Voters feel he’s more truthful, and it’s Clintons job to fix that impression, not theirs. So unless Clinton lies then it’s not their job to challenge the candidates, let them hash it out between themselves.

  29. 29.

    Adam L Silverman

    @amk: I’m trying to figure out if you were trying to refer to the President (a la snark) or someone else.

  32. 32.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    This is depressing. I’ve been coming down on wingnuts I come across on Facebook and other such exotic spots for their delusion (to my mind, at least) that Clinton has no shot at all, and that Trump is going to run away with this thing. I’ve been telling them that they’re bound to have as bad a night in November as they had four years ago. Now, after reading about the execrable way the press has been writing about Clinton and Trump, I’m beginning to wonder if I’m the one who’s delusional. I keep thinking that sooner or later, the press will wake the fuck up and do its job and begin treating Trump like the shitbag that he is. But I don’t know any longer. It freaks me the fuck out that we could end up with this guy running the country. I thought we’d seen the worst with Bush, but this might make me wish for the good old days, when Republicans were grown ups. You know, the Bush-Cheney years…

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne

    @RK:

    I love when white dudes show up to tell me what I think. Because, of course, any opinion I actually have must be replaced by whatever a random white dude tells me my opinion should be.

  37. 37.

    scav

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): The numbers are what the are in spite of the press and its nonstep generated headwind with added smoke to throw ominous “Shadows” and thrills.

    Also liked the little detail CNN threw in that “if he can avoid being drawn into gaffes and personality clashes by Clinton” dot dot dot. I mean, he’s been managing to do both all on his lonesome on stages of his choice and no one else in the immediate spotlight. But now is will suddenly all be the fault of that needling temptress — she lured him from his usual masterful sticking to valid points cogently argued!

  38. 38.

    Helen

    @Mai.naem.mobile: Doesn’t matter. Go look at the letter
    from his accountants. It talks about how every year’s income is related to every other year’s income. They talk about ongoing income. Therefore the audit will NEVER be over. They are full of shit. Also, the stupid sons saying it’s a normal general audit. If that’s the case they have nothing to hide. They are full, of shit.

  39. 39.

    hovercraft

    @Frankensteinbeck:
    All day the villagers have been acknowledging that they have a double standard for her, because she’s a politician, and he’s a first time candidate. The most honest was probably Jonathan Allen at Vox, from Saturday. So yes they will let him bs his way through his responses, and try to nail her down on everything.

  42. 42.

    SFAW

    I suggested, a week or two ago, that Clinton surrogates should be out there, every fucking day, talking about what a formidable debater Trump is. Of course, since the campaign seems to have been mostly MIA since mid-August, doing anything like that seems unlikely. The electorate will, as others have already noted, have a Bush/Gore moment re: expectations, so there’s no need for Trump’s camp to play the expectations game.

    Maybe Hillary has Mark Penn advising her again. With Shrummy consulting on an as-needed basis.

  44. 44.

    dmsilev

    @Helen: The audit is a red herring. Even if he is being audited, there’s nothing to prevent him from releasing the (as-submitted) tax forms. The IRS has said that, and independent tax law experts have said that. More to the point, Richard Nixon released his tax returns while he was being audited. “Trump: Less open than Richard Nixon” makes a nice bite.

  45. 45.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @SFAW: Calm the fuck down. It’s just after Labor Day. This is when normal people start paying attention. We are obsessives. You can’t judge by us.

  47. 47.

    Steeplejack

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    Jesus Christ, grab your nutsack firmly in both hands and man the fuck up. Even with the headwind that is “the execrable way the press has been writing about Clinton and Trump,” Clinton is kicking Trump’s ass.

    Sam Wang’s Princeton Election Consortium, pretty much the only (meta-)polling outfit you need to follow, currently has Clinton at 339 electoral votes, Trump at 199. They even have an editable map where you can jack it all night long trying to figure out how Trump gets to 270. Good luck with that.

    If you’re getting the vapors from all the ephemeral, day-to-day bullshit, get off the fucking Internet and find yourself a hobby, liking building ships in a bottle. The media do not want to elect Trump; they want a close horse race down to the wire to maximize eyeballs, clicks and advertising revenue. The ephemeral, day-to-day bullshit is how they do that. The fucking end.

  48. 48.

    amk

    @SFAW: They have been talking about it since August. msm didn’t care to report it (just as with all things hillary) and it’s obvious you didn’t care to look for it.

  50. 50.

    FlipYrWhig

    @SFAW: you haven’t noticed that she’s out there doing stuff, I see, which you’ve made her fault and not yours for, let’s say, “reasons”?

  51. 51.

    hovercraft

    @SFAW:
    As the tweet upstairs suggests, the media ignores her unless she makes a mistake, because Trump is more fun and interesting. Just like with the Pam Bondi situation the left has to kick up a ruckus if this bs continues. Cover them both or cover neither.

  52. 52.

    Adam L Silverman

    @SFAW: She told the press that herself today. The gaggle on her plane. Said “he says he’s a master debater and he certainly beat the 16 other GOP challengers at the debates, so I’m doing my homework and preparing for a hard debate”. Or something to that effect.

  55. 55.

    Redshift

    @gratuitous:

    Who’s going to benefit from Wallace’s “facts off” policy?

    Wallace is, which I’m sure is the reason he’s doing it. Calling out any of the nonstop lying from Trump would turn his regular audience into a lynch mob.

    Trump will also benefit hugely, though I suspect the Clinton camp are assuming his debate performance is going to be one long Gish Gallop, and are doing their best to prepare for it. Hopefully by baiting him into saying offensive things and stuff that’s really obviously pulled out of his ass (to anyone who isn’t already a committed Trumpster.) You can manage without fact checking if your opponent is bad enough at lying.

  56. 56.

    FlipYrWhig

    BTW, if the Republicans thought Trump had a real shot at winning they wouldn’t still be trying so hard to stay the hell away from him. They only care about power. If they thought he’d have it they’d be hugging him like ivy round a tree trunk. They’re not. That’s meaningful.

  57. 57.

    amk

    The so called dems are their own worst enemies. They have to be pampered & cajoled just to vote and have to be offered encouraging words when the bs polls are out. Rethugs just go and vote. No wonder they control the power and the narrative.

  58. 58.

    The Ancient Randonneur

    @RK: Speaking as no one, I am inspired by the candidacy of Secretary Clinton. My teenage daughters, too young to vote, are inspired by the first woman nominated by a major party and leading in the polls. But, alas, my progressive betters are often quick to point out what everyone knows, or no one feels. However, you have my sympathy. It’s hard out there for the pure.

  59. 59.

    hovercraft

    @dmsilev:
    Tonight on O’Reilly he issued a challenge to Hillary, release your 33 K deleted e-mails and I’ll release my taxes today. Perhaps he needs to read the definition of deleted, ( yes I know sometimes they can be retrieved , but not in this case). And I know he’s playing dumb, but someone should call him on it.

  65. 65.

    Steeplejack

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I might have tried to catch up on too many threads too quickly today. There should be some sort of blog purging/cleansing mechanism. Although ranting does help.

  67. 67.

    grandpa john

    @Steeplejack: that and the constant hyping of the irrelevant outlier like CNN’s latest “national polls” instead of looking at the state polls which are showing Clinton with a comfortable lead in EV’s and leading in most of the swing states

  70. 70.

    SFAW

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Not sure what you’re talking about, re: her campaign being out there. I don’t give a shit about the bullshit “Waah! She won’t give any press conferences! Waaah!” crap, but with the exception of her so-called “alt-right” speech, there ain’t a lot of news on the Clinton front. When Trump was on the ropes, due to his own assholery, she (or her surrogates) should have been hammering on him every day, on four or five subjects (one per day, rotate frequently). Instead we get Obama saying something a week or so ago, Harry Reid saying something one time, and so on. Yes, I know about ground games, but her camp needs to portray him as the stupid, lying, racist, misogynistic fuckhead that he is.

    Her number on 538 have plummeted since early August, PEC is starting to show more weakness, and so on. (And let’s not get into a “Nate Silver sucks as much as Kos” screed — not saying that it’s you, just that I recall similar here.) Yes, I know everybody is still calling it for her in a walk. Much better for the country if she assumes she’s losing — not necessarily talking that way, but having her surrogates take no prisoners.

    The MSM can’t be counted on to be even-handed, nor to investigate Trump’s corruption thoroughly, so her campaign has to do their work for them. She has the money to fund a shitload of oppo — not that it isn’t already out there to be commented on.

    And, because I’m on a rant-roll — where THE FUCK is that sanctimonious prick from Vermont? I expect to see his miserable face on the news EVERY FUCKING DAY, talking about how Trump will destroy everything Bernie was working toward, and Hillary will try to get a lot of Bernie’s proposals implemented — which is probably more true than any BernOrBusters are willing to accept.

    MOTHERFUCKER.

    OK, I took a breath, I’ll calm down. I just hope Hillary starts putting a hurt on Deadbeat Donnie real soon, because if she waits until October, it may be too late. And, yes, I know I worry more than 90 percent of the commenters here. I’ll try to maintain better.

    ETA: @Steeplejack: I imagine your reply to Smedley could also be directed at me. No need to repeat it. I get it. Every so often, I go off the deep end on this stuff. I’ll be OK now for another few weeks.

  72. 72.

    Redshift

    @hovercraft:

    And I know he’s playing dumb, but someone should call him on it.

    Call him on not releasing his taxes every day, but don’t engage with his bullshit goalpost-moving. He’s just trying to get anyone on the other side or in the press to talk about his BS about “deleted emails.”

    On the other hand, it would be nice if someone could be bothered to point out that if he’d release his taxes tomorrow in summer kind of “deal,” he should admit he’s lying about the audit.

  73. 73.

    James E Powell

    @amk:

    The so called dems are their own worst enemies. They have to be pampered & cajoled just to vote and have to be offered encouraging words when the bs polls are out. Rethugs just go and vote. No wonder they control the power and the narrative.

    Are you having a bad night? I have those too, from time to time. Usually after I’ve watched too much cable news.

    Don’t worry about anything until after the second debate.

  74. 74.

    hovercraft

    @efgoldman:
    She should spend the days leading up to the debate just tweeting up a storm, get him primed, so that when Hillary goes after him in the debate he’s primed to go off. They may be able to stop him from responding on twitter, but on stage with the biggest audience of his life, he wont be able to stop himself.

  75. 75.

    Mnemosyne

    @SFAW:

    You know she gave a speech today, right? And a major one right before the holiday.

    You may want to ask yourself why you’re not hearing about them on the news. Maybe email or call CNN to ask why they showed today’s speech in a tiny picture-in-picture while highlighting Trump’s speech.

    That was better than MSNBC, though — they didn’t show her speech at all.

  80. 80.

    hovercraft

    @grandpa john:
    Chuck Todd of all people ripped the CNN poll to shreds, the weighting is all wrong, assumes 45 % white non-college, assumes 4 % more republicans than democrats. He broke it down and said if properly weighted the poll would show Hillary up by 4 %

  83. 83.

    Lizzy L

    @grandpa john: I’ve given up watching all of it, network and cable. And reading any of the NYT’s articles about Clinton is like swallowing slime. The WaPo has taken a much harder look at Trump, at least.

  84. 84.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    You know she gave a speech today, right? And a major one right before the holiday.

    Heard something about an event today, didn’t catch up on it. Which pre-holiday speech are you talking about? I don’t think I heard about it, unless you’re talking about the alt-right thing.

  88. 88.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @SFAW: I haven’t grown up either. Don’t fucking panic. Look at the links to Sam Wang, and calm down. No one says it is a given, but if we all do some shit, it will happen. So go out and do shit.

  89. 89.

    grandpa john

    @hovercraft: which is in the neighborhood of what most other are showing but hell these national polls are useless anyway. My daily nerve tonic is Sam Wang and PEC and Sam depends on State polls which are more predictive

  90. 90.

    Redshift

    @SFAW: Just to respond briefly, she and her campaign are doing most of that stuff – multiple policy speeches and detailed policy plans, as well as talking daily about how unfit Trump is. As you’ve noted, we can’t make the media cover those things.

    As for Bernie, the problem is that he’s not actually a good campaigner for anyone but himself. The most recent time he was on national media, the headline was him saying that the Clinton Foundation should be shut down.

  93. 93.

    SFAW

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yeah, not really. Her national numbers were underwater after RNC, then shot up after DNC. It helped that Deadbeat Donnie was in full-asshole mode at that point, too.

    Some of her state numbers are soft, which is what concerns me more than the national polling.

  94. 94.

    eemom

    @Steeplejack:

    Sam Wang’s Princeton Election Consortium, pretty much the only (meta-)polling outfit you need to follow, currently has Clinton at 339 electoral votes, Trump at 199.

    Agreed. Also, I should like to take this opportunity to observe, once again, what a pathetic little groveling media sellout whore Nate Silver has become.

  96. 96.

    Steeplejack

    @hovercraft:

    It’s too bad Chuck Todd can’t go back to covering polls and being a stats weasel, something he was actually good at. When they kicked him upstairs to anchoring, it was pure Peter Principle in action.

  97. 97.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    As I said: every so often, I rant like that. I’ve gotten better than I used to be, actually. I’ll keep trying not to go nuts over it.

    But I figure most commenters ignore me anyway. (Except you, because I’m a Jets fan, and the long-time rivalry they have with the Pack.)

  99. 99.

    hovercraft

    @SFAW:
    American Legion down in Florida the day Trump had his excellent Mexico adventure. She had an event in Ohio yesterday (Labor Day), then an event in IL, and then marched in a parade, a rally in Tampa on Tuesday. The media is ignoring her.

  102. 102.

    Cacti

    @eemom:

    Agreed. Also, I should like to take this opportunity to observe, once again, what a pathetic little groveling media sellout whore Nate Silver has become.

    Silver still reports what the numbers actually say, but now it’s usually buried deep beneath a click-bait, infotainment-style headline.

    10. What would keep me up late at night if I were Trump?

    As the polls have ebbed and flowed, I’ve been 8 or 10 points behind Clinton at my worst moments, but only tied with her at my best moments. I’ve also never gotten much above 40 percent in national polls, at least not on a consistent basis, and I’ve alienated a lot of voters who would allow me to climb higher than that. In other words, maybe that dreaded Trump ceiling is there after all, in which case I’ll have to get awfully lucky to win the election, probably needing both a favorable flow of news in the weeks leading up to Nov. 8 and a large third-party vote that works against Clinton.

    This was the 10th point of 10 in an article entitled “Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Keeps Shrinking”.

  105. 105.

    eemom

    @Cacti:

    Silver still reports what the numbers actually say, but now it’s usually buried deep beneath a click-bait, infotainment-style headline.

    Exactly, and that is why I find him utterly contemptible.

  108. 108.

    Cacti

    @eemom:

    Silver’s peers in the election handicapping biz have noticed as well.

    Electoral-vote.com has a good piece on Silver’s transformation from stat nerd to infotainer.

    ETA: An interesting tidbit I learned from it is that Silver’s current employer (ESPN) has been hemorrhaging subscribers over the past 5-years (down 14 million) and is under a lot of pressure from the bosses at Disney to stanch the bleeding.

  110. 110.

    Suzanne

    @Steeplejack: Thank you. I’ve been kind of stressed out today about the prospect of a President Trump. As Mike Ness said, yeah, I got faith, but sometimes, fear just weighs too much.

    @RK: Hillary Clinton inspires me.

  113. 113.

    Cacti

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yes, to the place the race has been since February. Hillary just had a big bounce.

    That’s what I gathered from Sam Wang’s entry today.

    The average margin for the cycle has been Clinton +3.9%, with a low of +2.5% and a high of +6.5%. With the convention bounces over, the meta margin has reverted to Clinton +4.1%.

  115. 115.

    SFAW

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yes, to the place the race has been since February. Hillary just had a big bounce.

    There’s a difference between “since February” and “as was the case in February.” There was a lot of fluctuation in July and August. Had she not gotten the early August bounce, who knows? Be that as it may … I realize things look pretty good for her, and am trying not to panic, etc.

  116. 116.

    Cacti

    Well, well, well…

    The Trump/Pam Bondi story is starting to look rather worse than just a well-timed campaign contribution to the Florida AG.

    The Donald held a $3,000 a plate fundraiser for Bondi at Mar-a-Lago AFTER she dropped the investigation into Trump University.

    Story at Huffpo.

  117. 117.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Go.To.Bed. No reputable polls see a Trump win. Calm the fuck down.

    No, I don’t WANNA CALM DOWN.

    And besides, Rasmussen probably gives him the “W.” (No, I have no idea if they do, nor do I care — I mean. it’s Rasmussen.)

    Holy shit, look at the time!

  118. 118.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @SFAW: Panic away then. Others don’t think that the world is ending. This panicking suggests that your panic should be soft-pedaled.

  120. 120.

    shomi

    You people are already cheerleading for doom porn. You all seem to thrive on it.

    Also, you act as if Clinton hasn’t been doing this for decades, seen it all, and knows what she is doing.

    You people make me embarassed to call myself liberal sometimes. The Bernie babies and their idiotic antics (ever since the “public option or I’m not voting” tantrums) have stopped me from calling myself progressive. I am but most progressives are just too embarassing for me to associate myself with.

  121. 121.

    shomi

    You people are all acting as if debates are going to sway millions of people. They are not. They just give the media more stuff to masturbate about.

    Also, you are acting as if it’s going to be like the Romney vs Obama v1 debate where Romney could actually form coherent sentences, talk about his track record as a politician, and get through one sentence without resorting to name calling.

    Lastly, if there is anyone that knows how to push Drumpfs buttons, it’s Hillary. You can bet she will and you can bet Drumpf will not be able to resist resorting to name calling and bullying.

  122. 122.

    PatrickG

    @shomi: you obviously didn’t read the thread where everyone told SFAW to calm down.

    Troll harder next time. This attempt was pathetic.

  123. 123.

    GOVCHRIS1988

    Another day of progressives being progressives. One poll, flawed as shown by MSNBC showing Trump one point ahead by CNN and you’re ready to write the fucking concession speech. At this point, I get less annoyed and more bawling with laughter. Its funny, we have people who credit President Obama’s stellar campaigns, yet forget when even he had dejected progressives jumping on his campaign to do the same things there now demanding Hills camp to do.

    Look, if you want to worry to death, its your prerogative. The media will be the media, as they were in 2008 and 2012. Its why even liberals gave Romney the first debate, though they cannot tell me why Romney won it like what did he say? But, its progressives being what they always are, shaky liberals who call themselves “progressive” because they are too punk assed to actually fight back against conservatives making it a bad word. Its funny how they always do that, then call everyone else punk assed for not fighting hard enough for something they want.

  124. 124.

    shomi

    @PatrickG: The pathetic part is that you idiots cannot tell the difference between trolling and being hit over the head by the sledgehammer of truth.

    You really are a clueless lot…many of you. Don’t you all have your own forum where you can talk about how great Bernie might have been because he promised you all a pony….oh yea you do, it’s called Dkos.

  125. 125.

    cokane

    @shomi: not sure where this sanguinity comes from. you realize clinton’s going to have to play defense too? there’s sure to be questions about some of iraq vote, libya, emails and the foundation? and on that turf, trump can name call and bully to, sadly, some decent effect on this dumbass electorate

  126. 126.

    Jack the Second

    Re: the Trump Trots (he doesn’t really seem like he’s in shape to Gallop), I caught a blub of news coverage on the dueling press conferences. Trump threw out a soundbite that the poverty level was at 40%, youth unemployment at 58%.

    I checked myself in 30 seconds on the internet, 15% and 11%. Real good, TV news. Real good.

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    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Not sure if you could tell that my last comment (re: calming down) was said as a joke. Given my earlier freakout, I can understand how that might be the case.

    On the plus side, “shomi” has expanded his repertoire from “all the front pagers are assholes and I fucking hate them” to “you ALL are a bunch of assholes, especially SFAW, and I hate all of you.”

    ETA: For what it’s worth: I don’t give a shit where shomi classifies me, I just thought I’d pre-empt at least a little bit of his bullshit.

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    msdc

    @SFAW: I sure hope that Hillary Clinton, the first woman ever to win a major party’s nomination for president and current frontrunner, starts taking the advice of some random bedwetter on the internet.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    So by “avoiding drawn into personal clashes” sounds like CNN is praying for some reality TV show screaming match from Trump. Keep in mind CNN doesn’t give a shit about reporting, it’s all entertainment to them,.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @GOVCHRIS1988: Yes, this. Good lord. Some of you need to get a hold of yourself. The MSM is about infotainment – it’s very simple; Trump is exciting Hilary is boring, so the MSM wants as much Trump as possible. If anything the MSM is pissed at the new “serious” Trump because it’s not as flashy was they want. I still find it hard to belive people are going to vote that circus clown in, I mean no conservative ever seriously accused GW Bush of being a crook like Trump has and I don’t see the Trump love from the right like McCain or Romny had in their elections.

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    Bitter Scribe

    @Mnemosyne: Oh, but Obama said Benghazi was an act of terror instead of a terrorist attack! Or was it the other way around? In any case, that proves…something.

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