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You are here: Home / Pet Blogging / Dog Blogging / Wednesday Morning Open Thread: “A Forest Miracle”

Wednesday Morning Open Thread: “A Forest Miracle”

by Anne Laurie|  November 16, 20166:02 am| 103 Comments

This post is in: Dog Blogging, Open Threads, Daydream Believers

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From commentor T R:

Thought I’d share a few photos. The first is the pup enjoying her walk on our daily route. Notice all the fallen leaves.

Saturday I was feeling really awful so I took my youngest son and the pup for an extra walk. Of the millions of brown leaves in the woods my son picked one with a surprise. When he flipped it over he found…

A poem!

White clouds gather and billow
Thin grass does for a mattress
Blue sky makes a good quilt

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Another commentor reminded me — for those of us who tend to get depressed during the shortest days of the year, this is probably a great time to break out your lightbox or invest in one. And getting outside when the sun is up (even if that means getting up a bit earlier) can’t hurt, either.

What’s on the agenda for the new day?

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  1. 1.

    rikyrah

    November 16, 2016 at 6:06 am

    Morning, Everyone????

  2. 2.

    henqiguai

    November 16, 2016 at 6:16 am

    And getting outside when the sun is up (even if that means getting up a bit earlier) can’t hurt, either.

    Earlier? Even in summertime, I get up the sky is dark and stars (other than Sol) are showing. Good thing I’m not prone to seasonal disorder.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 16, 2016 at 6:16 am

    What’s on the agenda? A nap to make up for all the sleep I didn’t get.

  4. 4.

    Patricia Kayden

    November 16, 2016 at 6:21 am

    Cute puppy!! Love her tail.

    Work is on the agenda and then Survivor.

  5. 5.

    Raven

    November 16, 2016 at 6:34 am

    Here on the Emerald Coast the sunset is 4:30. I’m off to see what my wide angle lens does with the sunrise

  6. 6.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 16, 2016 at 6:44 am

    When I lived in northern Michigan, the seasonal depression, along with the cold and snow, would set in around the second week of October. Now that I’m in South Florida the lightbox is my back patio.

  7. 7.

    Currants

    November 16, 2016 at 6:45 am

    T R for real? That’s incredible! That’s a bright spot this morning–even the idea of writing a poem on the back of a leaf makes me smile.

    And a friend sent me this last night which I’d imagine has already been discussed here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/11/14/remarks-president-conference-call-grassroots-supporters-and-ofa-alumni –which also is a glimmer, even though it doesn’t change the present. After I read it my first thought was, “Duh, he’s an organizer. Of course!”

  8. 8.

    Immanentize

    November 16, 2016 at 6:50 am

    Hello All. It rained hard yesterday north of Beantown. Grey morning. Cat is lying on my chest purring. Yet I still must go to work…

  9. 9.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 7:08 am

    LIGHTBOX.

    I have one on my desk at work. And it really does seem to help. I have turned my sleep around with a number of circadian rhythm tricks:

    Use a sleep mask.
    No blue light after sunset. (Mac OS now does this automatically.)
    First thing in the morning, seek out sunlight or the equivalent and take a moment to let it beat on your face.

    When I first got the lightbox, I was really sick and while the instructions cautioned that using it too much might cause mania, I was all “bring it!” And hit the timer button again.

  10. 10.

    debbie

    November 16, 2016 at 7:08 am

    That is some leaf!

  11. 11.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 7:10 am

    This forest miracle could not have come along at a better time. Thanks for sharing!

  12. 12.

    JPL

    November 16, 2016 at 7:13 am

    CBSnews.com is streaming the President’s speech.

  13. 13.

    JPL

    November 16, 2016 at 7:16 am

    @JPL: CBSN lost the sound.. Here’s another link
    http://www.livenewschat.eu/international/?ref=fv

  14. 14.

    SFAW

    November 16, 2016 at 7:17 am

    @Immanentize:

    Well, if it will help, I can borrow the cat for awhile.

  15. 15.

    Another Scott

    November 16, 2016 at 7:18 am

    I’m not a telephone person (I much prefer e-mail and writing), but I’ll work on changing that.

    Rep Don Beyer (VA-8) – District office – P: (703) 658-5403
    Sen Tim Kaine – Manassas office – P: (703) 361-3192
    Sen Mark Warner – Vienna office – P: 703-442-0670

    We need to find a way to get in front of these issues, and not wait until they’re in the news a few hours before the final vote (if we’re lucky). The important work on legislation is done in the committees and before. We need to let them know that we’re paying attention and we want them to push back when the legislation is being drafted, when trial balloons are being released, etc.

    Medicare, the ACA, and all the rest of the health care policies are life-and-death important, of course.

    I worry, though, that there’s going to be a push by Trump’s people to push some sort of “giant infrastructure” bill through quickly while his supporters are still happy and engaged. A quick victory there will set the tone for the rest of the year. And just like in 1981 with Reagan’s tax cuts, there will be pressure for everyone to get their presents and their pet issues on the bill. And the Teabaggers will push hard to sell off the Interstate Highway System, airports, seaports, water and sewer systems, parks, and all the rest in “public-private partnerships” which means making everything have an admission fee, toll, or increased costs for users and people who depend upon them. Once you have uranium mining outside the Grand Canyon or oil fracking in Yellowstone, or toll booths on the 405, or Martin Shkreli owning and running your water company, it’s very hard to go back…

    We can’t be complacent. We’ve got to fight, every step of the way. We can’t assume that any of the words they use mean the same thing to us as they do to them. Speech was given to man to hide his thoughts.

    Keep up the good fight, everyone.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  16. 16.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 7:18 am

    I spent the weekend completely covered in cats, trying to help in the only way they know how.

    And it did help.

  17. 17.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 16, 2016 at 7:19 am

    @Raven: Wide angle, I got your wide angle right here.

  18. 18.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:23 am

    A poem on a leaf. Great idea to wake up to.

    I thought the pup was MomSense’s Korra.

    My poetry still runs to:

    This Trump.
    My President.
    Will never be.

    Is that anything close to Haiku?

  19. 19.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @Another Scott: Agreed.

    No looting of the public commons if we have anything to say about it.

    Haven’t watched broadcast MSM for days. Nor read any news articles about the incoming administration or anything political. No NPR, except for non-news programming. And listening to that for free, forever. It’s lovely.

    Ignorance, this month after election day, can be bliss.

  20. 20.

    TS

    November 16, 2016 at 7:26 am

    @JPL:

    CBSnews.com is streaming the President’s speech.

    So now the President’s time is almost gone – the media decides to let people hear what he has to say. How many overseas trips did he make when all we heard were the questions from the WHPC about issues back in the US?

  21. 21.

    JPL

    November 16, 2016 at 7:33 am

    @TS: True
    The President is discussing income inequality, and mentioned billionaires not paying their taxes. I wonder if he was thinking about anyone in particular.

  22. 22.

    TS

    November 16, 2016 at 7:37 am

    @JPL: Much as he also probably doesn’t want to think about the President elect – it must weigh heavy on his heart. This is no doubt his way of coping – reminding everyone of who they elected.

    It seems President Obama has many more goals to achieve over the next few years. Working outside of the White House, away from the jackals will have advantages.

  23. 23.

    Another Holocene Human

    November 16, 2016 at 7:38 am

    So my brother who was in Occupy is posting pro Trump Russian propaganda. I told him off on his Facebook wall and as I suspected rather than argue he deleted the post within 24 hours. He and his fiancee are disabled and I believe she is a Muslim so he’s invested in the notion that Dump is great and liberals are lying dupes. I needed to say something after my aunt, sister, and wife came to me distressed about it but I don’t feel better now. I’m afraid for him and all of us. My brother is very smart with math but has no social skills.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:39 am

    @Elizabelle: I hope some smart rich person can figure out a way to make a real liberal medium economically successful.

  25. 25.

    debbie

    November 16, 2016 at 7:40 am

    NPR is telling me gunshop owners are reporting a drop in sales since Trump’s election. One small victory. Crybabies.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @Another Holocene Human: I’m sorry to hear that. We’re really heading into brother against brother territory again.

  27. 27.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 16, 2016 at 7:41 am

    Spousal ThresherK, of whom I write often, is getting a knee replaced tomorrow. I’m a wreck over this from other stressors which I have kept away from her.

    I can deal with being my own worried self, but I ask my fellow juicers to please keep her in your thoughts.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:42 am

    @debbie: Maybe the NRA will start supporting Democrats.

  29. 29.

    greennotGreen

    November 16, 2016 at 7:42 am

    I don’t suffer from seasonal affective disorder, but I do grow plants under lights. If you’re thinking about purchasing a light box, may I suggest you investigate this. It puts out such a warm, sunny light that makes you feel like you’re sitting in the sun on a spring day, and you can stick a few houseplants under it to really banish the winter greys. But you’ll want to make sure it’s actually effective for SAD which I can’t tell you.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): Of course!

  31. 31.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @Baud: Good morning, bud. Thanking you for your sense of humor and proportion; I’m skipping a lot of posts here too.

  32. 32.

    Another Scott

    November 16, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @Another Scott: Whoops – wrong thread. I’ll repost this downstairs.

    Sorry for the noise here!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  33. 33.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 16, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @debbie: Gun buyers’ economic distress is already easing!

  34. 34.

    Eric S.

    November 16, 2016 at 7:45 am

    I also currently have a cat on my chest.

    Normally I’d be up and about by now but I’m telecommuting today. I have an appraiser coming by around lunch time. I’m refinancing and hopefully the condo will be valued high enough I get out of the PMI.

  35. 35.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:46 am

    WaPost has a live feed of PBO’s speech. He’s addressing those who feel left out by elites now. The daily needs of citizens.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:46 am

    @Elizabelle: Morning, EB. I’m taking baby steps back into the real world.

    Agree that some threads here are disheartening. Same old crap. It’s like nothing’s changed.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:47 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Heh.

    ETA: although I guess now there will be a glut of guns on the market as people liquidate their stock.

  38. 38.

    debbie

    November 16, 2016 at 7:48 am

    @Baud:

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall for that first sit-down with Wayne LaPierre!

  39. 39.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    November 16, 2016 at 7:48 am

    The WAPO has a big feature with interviews of Trump voters. It’s horrifying, though not in the way you might think. There’s some variation on reasons given, but the common theme that really jumps out at you is people pissed off that everyone didn’t expect them to vote for Trump. So they did.

    I’m starting to realize that the deciding factor here was that Trump tapped into a giant pool of narcissistic, petulant, infantile self-centerdness, just by having those traits himself more than any candidate we’ve ever seen.

    Just by modeling those character traits so completely, he found a gold mine of affinity.

  40. 40.

    satby

    November 16, 2016 at 7:49 am

    Good morning campers. It’s the big day, the bride is nervous, and the wedding reception is from 8pm to 5am on day 4 of the celebrations. I’m not sure how any of them do it.

    The currency crisis is still in full swing and people are still waiting hours in ATM lines often only to have them run out of cash.
    None of the tourists or foreign visitors is having much luck getting money either. So it’s been interesting.
    I’m using it as prep for the future.

  41. 41.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 7:50 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    There’s some variation on reasons given, but the common theme that really jumps out is people pissed off that everyone didn’t expect them to vote for Trump. So they did.

    They thought we were good people. We showed them!

  42. 42.

    satby

    November 16, 2016 at 7:51 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): so keeping. Best of luck to her.

  43. 43.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 16, 2016 at 7:51 am

    @Baud: Now I wish I’d tried to convince my Steiniac friends (sic) to write in Baud!

  44. 44.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:51 am

    @Baud: Yeah. And despair and dire predictions. Cannot do. Not minimizing the situation our so intelligent voting populace has delivered us into, :-(, but why wallow. A time for distraction, and strengthening ourselves, one by one.

    Buck up, folks. There will be silver linings.

    Thinking a bit on Jon Stewart’s comments after 9/11: “Chaos cannot sustain itself.” We have to keep chaos from settling into something worse. Look for the helpers.

  45. 45.

    satby

    November 16, 2016 at 7:53 am

    @Elizabelle: And be the helpers!

  46. 46.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:55 am

    Obama reminds

    “In every country, the most title person is not President or Prime Minister,

    the most important title is citizen.” (And didn’t the elites around the world get a wake up call there this year?)

    talks about power from demos, from “we the people.”

    Just finished up. And then PBO gives a quick farewell in Greek. Lively Greek music. And audio is over.

  47. 47.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 7:56 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): You got it.

    I am grateful to the commenter who introduced me to this amazing writer:

    On The 2016 Election: F*ck Me Gently With A Chainsaw/a>

    They’ll be damned if liberals are right. They’ll die in a hurricane that is the result of the over warming of the oceans and as the light of their last thought flickers across their only two working synapses, they’ll believe the storm was the result of two men getting married to each other in Montana.

    If we have to do a metaphorical Sherman’s March from the middle of Canada’s border all the way down to Texas and Florida, let’s do it. These people cannot be persuaded or convinced because if they are still clinging to their fears and resentment and spite now, after everything, they are irredeemable jerks who love to be bullies more than they love anything or anyone else.

    I am extremely tolerant of other’s religions, but this isn’t a religion any more. It is a political party which relies on propaganda, right wing nut jobs, and proud ignorance, and that I can fight.

  48. 48.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 7:57 am

    @satby: Yes! And am so glad you’re in India, whether with cash in the pocket or not! You can travel now. Wheee.

    Giving some thought to visiting Hoosier-land next week.

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    November 16, 2016 at 8:04 am

    @satby:
    Enjoy your trip ???

  50. 50.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 8:04 am

    It’s interesting how the biggest concern of American voters is whether liberals are smug.

  51. 51.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 16, 2016 at 8:07 am

    @Another Scott: This is an open thread. You can post anything you want here.

  52. 52.

    Taylor

    November 16, 2016 at 8:12 am

    @Another Holocene Human: My FIL will never speak to any of his brothers again. Ever. They are dead to him.

    My wife cut off her best friend since HS. Forty years of friendship. Over.

    If my contrarian brother tries to provoke me by praising Trump, I will write him off.

    I never understood how brother could fight brother in a civil war. Now I do.

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    November 16, 2016 at 8:14 am

    What’s on the agenda? Getting over a nauseating performance-art piece by Trump’s VA campaign director yesterday (in a post-election forum with the Clinton VA campaign director). Trump’s guy was still insisting that a dozen-plus women made up accusations of sexual assault(!) and that Wikileaks was acting independently and in the country’s interest(!!). Clinton’s guy’s response was great – had actual facts in it like “Trump himself bragged about sexually assaulting women” and “US intelligence has already confirmed that Russia was behind the hacks; hacked info then released via Wikileaks”.

    You know, facts.

    But – a steady repeat of the DBT’s “American Band” is helping. My 11-year-old really digs “Ramon Casiano” and “Surrender Under Protest” (me too!) Better still, he knows what each song is about. Everything’s a teachable moment, and when those moments rock, so much the better!

    Be happy warriors today, folks.

  54. 54.

    Jeffro

    November 16, 2016 at 8:16 am

    @Baud:

    It’s interesting how the biggest concern of American voters is whether liberals are smug.

    I don’t know how to do strikethroughs…you mean biggest concern of deplorable voters and their enablers in the media, amirite?

  55. 55.

    Peale

    November 16, 2016 at 8:19 am

    @satby: seriously, if Modhi survives this disruption, I’d be surprised. Although I spoke with my co-worker about it. He’s a modhi supporter. I asked him if it was true that they had no warning. He said of course there was warning. Four hours.

  56. 56.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 16, 2016 at 8:19 am

    @satby:
    @WereBear:
    Thanks to you both (and others).

  57. 57.

    satby

    November 16, 2016 at 8:28 am

    @Elizabelle: let me know if you’re in my neck of the woods!

  58. 58.

    Jeffro

    November 16, 2016 at 8:31 am

    I think I was asking yesterday where Jim Webb was at, post-election. Here’s what turned up in my daily VA news this morning:

    JIM WEBB APPLAUDS DONALD TRUMP, SAYS ELECTION SHOWS DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST WHITE WORKING CLASS
    By GRAHAM MOOMAW
    Richmond Times-Dispatch
    As many Democrats cope with their shock and dismay at Donald Trump’s victory, former U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia on Tuesday saluted the president-elect, railed against elitism and accused his party of abandoning “white working people.” Webb, who sought the Democratic nomination for president last year before dropping out and considering an independent run, made his first public remarks on the presidential outcome Tuesday while speaking at a foreign policy conference sponsored by The American Conservative magazine.

    I am just shocked, shocked I say. Webb would make a good fit in a Trump cabinet…and by that I mean crammed in an actual cabinet at one of his crappy hotels. He must be feeling some serious economic anxiety, that Webb.

  59. 59.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 16, 2016 at 8:32 am

    @Taylor: I haven’t cut anybody off and I won’t. I am telling each and every one of them exactly what I think of their electoral choices and what the future will bring because of them (“You’re fucked.”) but I won’t cut them off for one simple reason: So that in one year I can say “I told you so.” and “I am going to remind you for the rest of your life of what you did.”

  60. 60.

    satby

    November 16, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @Peale: a lot of the regular people (ok, cabbies, but I’m no Friedman) seem to be frustrated but hoping it will help curtail the black market and flush more money into the economy. So I think Modi will weather this storm just fine.
    But how this actually helps I have no clue. Makes the place feel unstable when you’re not from here and there’s a daily run on the bank.

  61. 61.

    MomSense

    November 16, 2016 at 8:33 am

    @ThresherK (GPad):

    We will keep her surrounded in our best thoughts today.

    Another morning. Somehow the tv was turned onto the news this morning. I think I looked like a crazy person running through the living room in my towel saying “shut it off. shut it off. shut it off.”

  62. 62.

    Iowa Old Lady

    November 16, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @Jeffro: Apparently it’s very important to differentiate the WWC from the WC. Separate but not equal.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    November 16, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @Jeffro: It’s going to be like that prank where someone approaches a car and you pull ahead slightly so he can’t get in, and then he approaches again, and you pull ahead again.

    “Dems hate the WWC” is now a meme — regardless of what we try to do, I have a feeling it won’t be good enough.

  64. 64.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 8:43 am

    @satby: Definitely! You might have to be an antidote to some of my Hoosier relatives. (Although I think they’re in the Katich-sensible wing of the GOP.)

    Could help you walk a dog or two.

  65. 65.

    Amir Khalid

    November 16, 2016 at 8:47 am

    @Jeffro:
    Webb ran as the Democratic white working-class candidate, didn’t he? It always struck me as odd, how Republican his message sounded.

  66. 66.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 8:49 am

    @Jeffro: Fuck Jim Webb.

    I don’t think Democrats are bad for the white working class in the least. And maybe that’s a series of debates that Al Franken should have — put Franken up against Webb or someone else who won’t do a Gish Gallop.

    Listening to my contractor BIL, I think one sore point is regulation. Am always tempted to ask “but aren’t you glad that ladder holds while you’re three stories up? And what about less poisons in the chemicals and building products you use, regularly.”

    Contractors, if they’re honest, know plenty of others in the business who are the sort whom regulations are developed to protect the public against. The plumber who never shows to finish the job. The roofer or sider who won’t stand by their product.

  67. 67.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 8:53 am

    @Amir Khalid: Former Republican. Although he did beat George Allen. (That was the “macaca” campaign.)

    And then Webb quit. One term and out. Sensitive soul that he is.

    Although Virginia did better with their next Senator: Tim Kaine. Who beat George Allen again.

    (Makes me wonder if George Allen will find himself a cozy post in the incoming administration.)

  68. 68.

    Jeffro

    November 16, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @Baud:

    Dems hate the WWC” is now a meme — regardless of what we try to do, I have a feeling it won’t be good enough.

    Only way to counter is to present both parties positions side-by-side, I guess, and let folks compare. Under each party
    – who’s going to get the tax cuts, if any?
    – what’s the plan for Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security?
    – paid maternity leave?
    – the Affordable Care Act…especially pre-existing conditions and letting your kids stay on your insurance
    – dealing with predatory lenders
    – dealing with the opioid crisis
    – college loan programs and interest rates

    And there are two other ways to counter it, I guess:
    1) Call it out: “Why are we always talking about the white working class when we could just be talking about the working class?”
    2) Call it out even further: “Why are we talking about the white working class when the average Trump voter makes $70k/year, $X/year more than the average Clinton voter? It’s pretty clearly not a working class issue.”

  69. 69.

    Quinerly

    November 16, 2016 at 8:56 am

    @Jeffro:
    Fuck Jim Webb. Am I the first to say it? Insufferable asshole.

  70. 70.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @Quinerly: No. But there is no bad time to say it.

    It’s generally appropriate.

  71. 71.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 9:00 am

    @Jeffro: Al Franken. Elizabeth Warren. Sherrod Brown. We should think of other approachable Dems who can make the case; lay the policies out, side by side, in terms and language that the adolescent/ADD attention-span/ incurious American voter can understand.

    Republicans have succeeded with branding and sloganeering. Their policies actually suck. They seem to get a pass on that. Alas.

  72. 72.

    Quinerly

    November 16, 2016 at 9:01 am

    Fox, Yahoo, Business Insider reporting that Pence is purging all lobbyists from the transition team. Guess Trent Lott is out (read a couple of days ago he had jumped aboard along with Ed Meese). Curious how this will actually work re Flynn, Giuliani. Will they redefine what “transition team” means?

  73. 73.

    Quinerly

    November 16, 2016 at 9:08 am

    Cruise over to No More Mister Nice Blog. He has gathered the sickening links on post election garbage being spun about an out of control, drunken HRC post election. I have been physically ill on and off since Tuesday. Thanks for the post on where to send thank you notes to her. It would be so much better though if I could just hug her. Tears

  74. 74.

    gene108

    November 16, 2016 at 9:11 am

    @Peale:

    Modhi will survive. This is a big anti-corruption move, to freeze out people with piles of cash, i.e. dirty money, laundered money, black money or however you want to phrase it.

    People in India are used to putting up with inconveniences, such as daily power outages, and so people there are a more patient lot.

    It will be lifted sometime in December. So people know why this is being done and that it is temporary situation.

  75. 75.

    gene108

    November 16, 2016 at 9:13 am

    @Elizabelle:

    lay the policies out, side by side, in terms and language that the adolescent/ADD attention-span/ incurious American voter can understand.

    I think Americans can handle big words. It is the media that is a problem.

  76. 76.

    Applejinx

    November 16, 2016 at 9:24 am

    This morning I rewatched this Douglas Rushkoff video. I think these are the questions we need to be asking. It’s why I have such profound objections to the ‘aspirationalism’ thing, the ‘let’s all retrain and keep getting more and more efficient so we win forever, and abandon anyone who can’t or won’t keep up’. Seems like it’s buying into an ‘operating system’ that’s based on perpetual expansion, and that’s unsustainable. We should be thinking about sustainable, distributable economics.

    Especially since we’re about to see world economics bloody collapse under a wave of right-wing nationalism. NOW we can get away with reconsidering some of these assumptions. I get that it wasn’t possible before, but it’s going to become not only possible but a real lifeline.

  77. 77.

    greennotGreen

    November 16, 2016 at 9:40 am

    @gene108: I actually don’t think Americans can handle big words. Trump speaks at a fourth grade level which is understandable by the average Trump voter. Hillary speaks like an adult, so they just tuned her out.

  78. 78.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 9:42 am

    @Baud: Well, let’s be honest, like liberals are supposed to be.

    I do.

  79. 79.

    Jeffro

    November 16, 2016 at 9:46 am

    Btw folks a good read on the Mercers today (finally!) – the big bucks that made Ted Cruz get busy phone banking/losing his manhood in the service of Trump.

  80. 80.

    Quinerly

    November 16, 2016 at 9:58 am

    @Jeffro:
    Read it early this AM. A must read.

  81. 81.

    Quinerly

    November 16, 2016 at 10:01 am

    @Jeffro:
    Thread be dead….but also, a must read is the WAPO piece on how flattery got Bannon everywhere.

  82. 82.

    hovercraft

    November 16, 2016 at 10:07 am

    @Jeffro:

    He must be feeling some serious economic anxiety, that Webb.

    I fell so sorry for the poor man, what with all of those book sales and his education, and his connections, it must be so hard for the poor man to make ends meet. It’s just terrible, the damage smug liberals have wrought, we’ve refused to invest in infrastructure, education, in benefits for the Scotch-Irish of Appalachia for decades, forced the breakup of unions so that the coal miners had to toil under evermore dangerous conditions for ever less money. We showed the mining companies how much better is was for them to simply blow off the top of mountains and then dump the toxic waste into the pristine waterways, poisoning the people. We laughed all the way to the bank as they destroyed the environment, and the health of the people there.
    Jim Webb can go off and join Bernie in a dark shed full of rusty farm equipment, and they can take turns f**king each other with them.
    As @Bill E Pilgrim at # 39 shows, these people are just hateful and spiteful, they wanted to stick it to the smug liberals, and the liberal media, which doesn’t exist, but hey they criticized the Shitgibbon so they must be liberal. The democratic party of their youth was full of dixicrats, the civil right movement drove then out of the party. The party has now become the home of the vast majority of people of color, and it’s been headed by one for the last 8 years, people experiencing economic anxiety, distress, displacement or whatever the hell they want to call it, are not coming back. Their economic distress is just so acute that they simply cannot entrust their economic futures to a party that has the objectively superior record on economics and quality of life improvements over the last 40 years, their economic anxiety is just too high.

  83. 83.

    Uncharismatic megafauna

    November 16, 2016 at 10:24 am

    By way of introduction, I’m a short-time lurker who now feels more stupid than usual for only finding my way from a comment on DailyKos to BJ a few weeks before the election. I find myself here multiple times a day as I try to cope with the awful reality of Trump. I’m a Ph.D. wildlife ecologist who was moved to abandon academia for DC with the advent of James Watt and Ronald Reagan and then ended up spending my career working in the political world on environmental policy for the Senate, the Interior Department and nonprofits. I called it quits in 2013 to remove myself from that world have more time for other things in my life in our chosen corner of paradise. Perhaps I did so not only out of weariness but also out of a sense of complacency that at least the Executive Branch was in good hands. Needless to say that complacency was shattered by the realization that Trump would be the Republican nominee. Now, you fuckers, it’s game on.

  84. 84.

    chopper

    November 16, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @Jeffro:

    unfortunately we now live in a time when half the country doesn’t care what ‘fact’ even means.

  85. 85.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    November 16, 2016 at 10:31 am

    @WereBear: Suggestions for a good lightbox? Checked on Amazon and the number is overwhelming.
    On another note–I’m grateful beyond words for this community. I still oscilate between stuck/angry/helpless/gibbering laughter but I don’t feel alone.

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    November 16, 2016 at 10:33 am

    @ThresherK (GPad):

    Done!

  87. 87.

    hovercraft

    November 16, 2016 at 10:39 am

    @Uncharismatic megafauna:
    Welcome aboard, or more aptly fuck you. Now see I’ve broken the water for you and you are now prepared for our food fights.

  88. 88.

    Mary G

    November 16, 2016 at 10:50 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): The recovery can be a trial, but I will say what everyone told me before my knee replacement: she’ll be sorry she didn’t do it sooner. The pain relief is massive.

    Virtual hugs to you both. My mom had a harder time watching me go through it than I did, so take care of yourself too.

  89. 89.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 10:55 am

    @Uncharismatic megafauna: Now, you fuckers, it’s game on.

    Welcome! With that attitude, you will fit right in :)

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 11:02 am

    @Uncharismatic megafauna: fuck you, loser.

    Welcome.

    ETA. Hovercraft in first. For the win.

  91. 91.

    Uncharismatic megafauna

    November 16, 2016 at 11:05 am

    @hovercraft: Fuck you very much. Appreciate it!

  92. 92.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 11:06 am

    @hovercraft: yup.

  93. 93.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 16, 2016 at 11:13 am

    @Elizabelle:

    Haven’t watched broadcast MSM for days.

    I never watch the news voluntarily but I travel a lot so I get subjected to CNN. can’t be avoided. It’s just awful.

    I’m still depressed. Yesterday I worked half a day then played hooky and went hiking (for those who know Phoenix, I hiked the Alta trail in South Mountain Park. Kicked my ass) then went back to my hotel and drank an entire bottle of wine by myself. Helped a little, but I still wake up every night between 2-3 am, stressing out. I’m also hurting for Hillary still, even more than I hurt for Al Gore.

  94. 94.

    Steve in the ATL

    November 16, 2016 at 11:16 am

    @Elizabelle: it also felt good to hit “mute channel” on Apple News for NPR and NYT.

  95. 95.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 11:19 am

    @hedgehog the occasional commenter: This is the one I got:

    SunTouch Plus

    and I have been very pleased.

  96. 96.

    The Moar You Know

    November 16, 2016 at 11:22 am

    It’s just terrible, the damage smug liberals have wrought

    @hovercraft: We did everything save for outlaw black people and it turns out that’s the only thing they wanted. Rotting teeth and polio? Shake that shit off and get back to the mine, losers.

  97. 97.

    hedgehog the occasional commenter

    November 16, 2016 at 11:45 am

    @WereBear: Thank you! I’ll take a look.

  98. 98.

    Elizabelle

    November 16, 2016 at 11:53 am

    @Steve in the ATL: I wonder if you could get one of those TV B gone devices. Zap CNN and other fake news shit every chance you get.

    Do they still work? Could also ask the bartender, etc. to find another channel. Sports, Cartoon Network, whatever.

    If we are any indication, I think a lot of people have lost their taste for following news.

    Fucking MSM elected Trump, through negligence, cowardice, and — for some of them (maybe CNN, run by Jeff Zucker, formerly head of NBC) — for ratings and profit. Make them pay.

  99. 99.

    bemused

    November 16, 2016 at 11:58 am

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    What jumped out at me was that so many believed Trump, their great white hope, would deliver whatever they wanted based on absolutely nothing.

  100. 100.

    WereBear

    November 16, 2016 at 12:08 pm

    @bemused: What jumped out at me was that so many believed Trump, their great white hope, would deliver whatever they wanted based on absolutely nothing.

    For the most part, we are dealing with Fundamentalist Christians who have been so stunted mentally that their preachers could start ranting that the stupid liberals have fooled them into thinking the sky is blue when it is really green. That color is green!

    And within weeks, it would be all over Facebook that Wal-Mart has new sky green jackets…

  101. 101.

    Raven Onthill

    November 16, 2016 at 12:29 pm

    Senate Minority Leader: it’s Schumer. The whip will be Durbin, and third-ranking is Patricia Murray from Washington State. Sanders and Manchin will have roles.

    Schumer opposed Obama’s Iran deal.

    Manchin (D-Coal): “If President-elect Trump comes with good policies, I’m going to be 1,000 percent behind him. Okay? Maybe the rest of my caucus will not, but I’m going to find a pathway forward,”

    Murray is the Senator who made the budget deal with Paul Ryan which cut off unemployment insurance to families which direly needed it.

    Can someone find me some positives here, please? Except for Sanders, I don’t think this lot is going to fight.

  102. 102.

    Aleta

    November 16, 2016 at 12:34 pm

    @ThresherK (GPad): Good thoughts to you two coming live.

  103. 103.

    MomSense

    November 16, 2016 at 1:12 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I’m still depressed. Yesterday I worked half a day then played hooky and went hiking (for those who know Phoenix, I hiked the Alta trail in South Mountain Park. Kicked my ass) then went back to my hotel and drank an entire bottle of wine by myself. Helped a little, but I still wake up every night between 2-3 am, stressing out. I’m also hurting for Hillary still, even more than I hurt for Al Gore.

    I’m basically only reading here, listening to the Rolling Stones, playing with duolingo app, and walking my dog. I can’t even drink red wine anymore because I was drinking a glass of wine election night as the world turned to shit and now I can’t even smell the stuff without wanting to hurl.

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