Folks,
I’ll be tweaking the sidebar a bit today and hope to add some nifty things to the comments either later today or tomorrow. Also, a rotating quote line is coming today!
On a more personal note, Terry, greennotGreen’s sister read the memorial thread and let me know how helpful it was:
Alain, I noticed the celebration thread up on BJ. Thanks so much. I’m actually going to use some of the quotations from Carol Ann for the memorial service. She would love the idea of writing part of it herself!
So there you go folks, well done!
Open thread!
ETA: OK, folks, exciting things just went live. Look below the comment form – there is now a comment help/tips section with lots of useful things (more to come, as things change). And perhaps more importantly, a built-in pie filter. Use it to block annoying commenters and their comments. It’s harmless – enter a name or a comment number and all comments from that person will be turned into statements about pie. It works on a per-browser basis, storing your list in the browser’s site data.
All hail Major Major Major Major and cleek. Their help to convert the filter from something that you had to tack-on in a specific framework into a built-in function of the site was immense. Thanks guys, your help made this a better place for all.
Yutsano
Frabjous! What are the odds of the balloon man graphic returning to the main page?
Alain the site fixer
I don’t think I have the old graphic, and as I recall, it wasn’t a)good quality/high-resolution; b)in a orientation that works for a banner graphic (it was much taller than wide).
If you have skills or an archived image, I’d be happy to take another look then ask John if he wants to change.
When the public Issues tracker launches, submit the idea so it doesn’t get forgotten.
Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD)
Do the commenting changes include threading?
SiubhanDuinne
Good to know that the BJ dedicated memorial thread, as well as scattered comments and gnG’s own observations, were helpful to Terry and the rest of the family. I keep thinking of the mother, who has her own health challenges, I believe. Few things in life can be as cruel as losing one’s child, and my heart aches for her.
Alain, thank you so much for the update.
Alain the site fixer
@SiubhanDuinne: Yeah, their mother is in rough shape as I recall, a crisis that would overwhelm most families! I hope to get the time to put together the extract next week. I’ve got a few plugins that do what I want, I just need to figure out which one works best. The first was perfect in vision but didn’t work correctly, so it’s not as fast going as I’d hoped!
The Moar You Know
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Cole has said, often, that Balloon Juice will never have threaded comments. It took a long time for me to get used to the threadless posts but I agree with him now.
Major Major Major Major
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Alain has been working long and hard on this and has actually invented a new kind of double-threaded commenting system just for us.
Thanks for all your hard work, Alain!
Alain the site fixer
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): Not threading, but a few things to enhance commenting are in the works.
Alain the site fixer
Folks – what do you think of these dotted lines between comments? I didn’t change that – the new theme version likely changed internal names so our style override is no longer functional. I’m no sure how I feel about them.
Alain the site fixer
@Major Major Major Major: Thank you, my friend! You’ve helped make some great enhancements…which I’m hoping to transfer over to this live site shortly.
Roger Moore
@Alain the site fixer:
I don’t particularly mind the dotted lines instead of solid ones, but it does bother me that the line cuts through the edit/delete controls.
ETA: On Firefox, at least.
hovercraft
@Alain the site fixer:
I’m glad Terry found the memorial thread helpful.
Thanks for all you do, looking forward to the new enhancements.
HeleninEire
@Yutsano: When I moved Balloon Juice to my mobile home screen it shows as the Balloon Man.
LOVE the Balloon Man.
Alain the site fixer
And boom – comment help and a built-in pie filter! More coming.
Major Major Major Major
@Alain the site fixer: It’s too close to the reply button IMO.
Why not just fix the style override?
ETA: Needs instructions for the pie filter.
hovercraft
@Roger Moore:
Ditto.
Hey what’s all this at the bottom of the comment box?
O a pie filter!!! Yay!!!
Another Scott
@Alain the site fixer: I don’t mind the dotted lines, but when the edit window is still open the dotted lines overlap the counter and stuff. Or at least they did when I last checked…
Thanks for your efforts here!
Cheers,
Scott.
hovercraft
@Alain the site fixer:
I’m assuming the fact that the example in the Pie Filter is Bob has nothing to do with our old friend BiP, right?
Elizabelle
Alain, I love that Terry is using some of Carol’s comments at the service. “She would love the idea of writing part of it herself!” That’s perfect. Thank you for making the memorial thread happen.
And: happy we don’t have threaded comments. It’s not that hard to skim and follow a point.
Some day, I would like someone to explain cleek’s pie filter to me, for about the fourth time. Like you’re talking to a child or explaining something to Donald Trump (without all the “Elizabelles”; will save you the typing there). Have not yet been tech savvy enough to install it … and am doing fine skipping right past the pieworthy, for the most part.
Alain the site fixer
@hovercraft: No, I’m sure that’s JUST a coincidence! :)
I’ll see what I can do re: the line placement, etc. a bit later, have a few other to-do’s with priority today.
Alain the site fixer
@Elizabelle: You don’t need to install a thing- down below, type in a comment name from above and hit Add, then look to see what that person’s comments have been transformed into!
Elizabelle
Ah. I hadn’t seen the pie filter at bottom; it was kind of a remembered ask the tech guy, and you’re ahead of us there. Well done.
I will probably pie myself.
Alain the site fixer
@Major Major Major Major: #7 in the Comment Instructions/Help
Alain the site fixer
@Elizabelle: hey, whatever you do with the pie filter is your own business! :)
Elizabelle
Can we take the person out of piehood?
What if I accidentally pie raven? (And his pie should probably be mackerel.)
Major Major Major Major
@Alain the site fixer: Ahha, indeed, very good, carry on.
@Elizabelle: Yep, Alain just added a built-in pie filter, like, ten minutes ago.
Alain the site fixer
@Elizabelle: You can view the list and remove folks from it. The list is saved so it will work tomorrow, but just in that browser. So you have to set it up on each browser/device you use and you’re good-to-go!
You can also view the list. Any pied comment can be viewed by clicking the double caret.
hovercraft
@Elizabelle:
It has an add and remove button. And it works beautifully, I just tried it out on Novo Russia in one of the threads downstairs. You also have the option of still reading responses to someone you’ve pied by clicking on those responses to see what they are saying to the annoying one, if you so choose.
ETA: I see Alain is keeping an eye on us ; )
Drunkenhausfrau
Miami pet bleg:
http://savingdogslife.blogspot.com/2017/06/nobody-came-for-grace-frightened-14.html
Roger Moore
I don’t think this is true. Cole has always had a very light hand on the ban hammer and generally brings it out only for sustained harassment or quite specific bigoted words.
JanieM
@The Moar You Know:
Agreed. I guess I don’t have to plead if John has said no threading, but … please, no threading!
More seriously, thanks as always to Alain and his helpers.
Less seriously again, does the pie filter also block comments responding to the filtered commenters? Not a request, mostly just snark about a feature that would wipe out major proportions of some threads. I can take responsibility, if sometimes just barely, of walking away from the computer and doing something else when sanity requires it. ;-)
Major Major Major Major
@JanieM: It also removes replies, yes.
I actually enjoy how people still manage to carry on other threads while a pie fight rampages around them.
JanieM
@Major Major Major Major: Just figured that out. Bliss!!
hovercraft
EPA To Replace Dozens Of Scientists, Potentially Kneecapping Advisory Board
Hmm. I wonder what types of diversity of thought they’re looking for?
JR in WV
@Major Major Major Major:
But, but…. I love to talk about pie, and all the pie filter does is tell us you have lost your pie.
Yes, I admit, I addded Major Major Major Major to my pie filter, after adding Alain didn’t work at all. I suspect Alain wrote himself out of the pie filter so that he can rant to everyone no matter what!!! Which is both typical and OK, as the site code mamager needs to be able to tell people where to get off and back on.
Then I took Major Major Major Major out of the pie filter, which also worked smoothly.
Thanks Alain!!
Did you see my comment on the photo submission tool? Just chatting, no big.
Pecan pie, with ice cream, vanilla ice cream on the side to cut the richness of the pie. Sounds absurd, using ice cream to cut down the richness of a dessert, but there it is, it works.
Sour cherry pie, ummmm good.
Peach Kuchen, fresh peaches, cinnamon and sour cream, with a crunchy crust. The best!!!
Alain the site fixer
@Roger Moore: Yeah, I’ll adjust that wording a hair.
Alain the site fixer
@JanieM: We’re considering that addition. So when the Issues tracker is announced, add that so we don’t forget.
Alain the site fixer
@Major Major Major Major: Oh it does? Man you guys are good! :)
SiubhanDuinne
@Alain the site fixer:
I don’t like the dotted lines.
Also, thanks for the Comment Instructions/Help. Good reminders and summary, even for those of us who have been around for a while.
Query: Would it be possible to include a button control for the strikeout feature? I don’t use it often, so typing in the angle-bracketed tags isn’t a hardship, but it would be a useful little shortcut. Thanks!
Elizabelle
I would love if we put up a link to the greennotGreen/Carol Ann Bonner memorial thread, maybe just a link in dark green ink, for about another month. Maybe at the top right. To make it easy for folks checking in to find the donations info and read the obit and memorial comments. We have a lot of busy and also occasional readers.
Would that be too long?
Alain the site fixer
@JR in WV: I did, and it revealed a need – the form I see doesn’t tell me who the submission is from! Can you submit 3 or more pairs of pics (as different submissions). I want to see how the admin form handles such complications! (I haven’t gotten tons of submissions so far)
Alain the site fixer
@Elizabelle: I’ll put it under the Get Involved box – great idea!
Elizabelle
@JR in WV: Um, tiramisu. Don’t bogart that recipe, dude.
Alain the site fixer
@SiubhanDuinne: I plan to launch a host of button controls. Also, I’ll be adding comment instructions to cover using the back button and other tips from users. So should you have anything to add to the instructions, drop me an email.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
What, no churches?
hovercraft
I feel like the Twitler base is going to be our new voters o Maccombe County Reagan Democrats who wil be tudied and must be pandered to for the next couple of decades. Ugh!!
Amanda Marcotte via Salon
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
It’s right there, the most non governmental organizations are churches, well after corporations that is, and they both have areas of relevant interest.
SiubhanDuinne
Suppose I want to pie a particular individual who’s being an ass on a long thread, derailing the conversation at every turn, but I don’t want to pie them forever. Is there some easy way to remove the pie filter and reinstate that commenter in subsequent threads?
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft: Studied? Well, I suppose “Entitled White Racists Entitled, White, Racist” doesn’t sell papers…
Another Scott
Thanks for the “Comment Instructions/Help (click to toggle)” below, but it breaks one of the rules about GUIs – the mouse’s arrow pointer changes into an “I-beam” rather than a “Hand” to indicate that something happens on clicking. I initially didn’t click on it because it didn’t change to a hand…. But since it’s not a URL, I’m not sure what the appropriate mouse pointer should be… The mouse pointer above “(click to hide)” at the end does change into a hand.
\pedant
Maybe put a box around the “Comment Instructions…” like in the Pie Filter?
Thanks!
Cheers,
Scott.
hovercraft
Cameraman forced to delete Jared Kushner pics as journalists barred from photographing him in Israel
Journalists were told not to photograph the U.S. president’s son-in-law, and a photographer from the Associated Press was ordered to delete the images on his camera’s memory card.
It’s not clear from the Guardian report, or another published by The Times, who issued those orders to journalists covering the White House official’s government business trip.
Alain the site fixer
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes, you can add them and then remove them at a later date. So if someone gets testy one night, or your patience is done, you can temporarily enact the change.
eric
@hovercraft: i hope you dont mind but you were temporarily delicious pie. you are back to normal now.
me likey that feature.
Another Scott
@SiubhanDuinne: I haven’t tried the built-in Pie Filter, but the standard one has a little “>>” icon at the end of the comment text, so you can temporarily see the original comment if you want. You can then decide to unpie them if you want.
Cheers,
Scott.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
Ah, of course you are correct. I usually think of non-governmental organizations more as professional or issue associations. What the Brits call QUANGOs.
SiubhanDuinne
@Another Scott:
Thanks. I have never used a pie filter of any kind.
JMG
Senate health care bill revealed tomorrow. Collins and Murkowski have pretty much caved. They’ll vote for it if they can introduce an amendment on Planned Parenthood funding, which they know damn well will go down on Pence’s vote. Sen. Tillis says the parliamentarian can stuff his rulings. Partly line 52-48 vote due next Friday.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
What
The
Everloving
Blue-eyed
Fuck
???
Major Major Major Major
@Another Scott: cleek was kind enough to integrate his into the site as what you see here, so they should be almost identical.
@hovercraft: I sure hope they were automatically pushing to the cloud.
JR in WV
@hovercraft:
Hmmmm, lessee now. Creative thought? Close….hmmmm, Creationist thought~!!!! Yeah, that’s it, right there. Their sweet spot.
No prissy formulae, no rules, just make it up, out of, sheer imagination, that’s right ~!!!~
SiubhanDuinne
@Alain the site fixer:
Excellent. Exactly what I was hoping to hear.
Yutsano
@hovercraft: Such an odd number of words to pretend it’s not racism.
SiubhanDuinne
@Alain the site fixer:
In the Balloon Juice Online Store, there’s an entire category of “Balloon Juice logo gear.” You might be able to grab the little man off an image there, or perhaps the Cafe Press folks could retrieve the original artwork.
JanieM
@JMG: Collins has caved? What a surprise! And is she going to get all kinds of splashy publicity for having caved, like she did for allegedly not-going-to-cave? Nah…….. We’ve seen this movie before. Over and over and over.
Alain the site fixer
Final new feature roll-out for the day: rotating quotes instead of the sidebar one that only changed on reload and was an odd fit.
Enjoy, everybody, you’ve all done very well (waves cane and stumbles).
Yutsano
@JanieM: I’m curious: where is this information coming from?
Alain the site fixer
@SiubhanDuinne: I’ll look into -thanks for the tip.
Boussinesque
@hovercraft:
PHRASING
ETA: I hear they let you do that sort of thing, when you’re a star….now off to get some brain bleach.
Another Scott
@Alain the site fixer: You don’t have this?
>:-)
Cheers,
Scott.
The Moar You Know
@hovercraft: Because he’s a racist asshole just like them. Thank you, you’re welcome.
Everything else said by Dr. Justin Frank is horseshit.
cleek
@hovercraft:
i used ‘Bob’ because it’s short!
cleek
@Elizabelle:
The pie filter works like this:
1. your browser gets a web page (like this one) from Balloon Juice
2. it scans through the page, and looks at each comment it finds.
3. it looks at the author of the comment and compares that to the list of people you’re ‘pieing’
4. if it finds a match, it replaces the text of the comment with a little comment about pie.
It runs in your browser, so what you do with it has no effect at all on what anyone else sees. Everybody will have their own list.
The controls at the bottom of the page let you add and remove names from the list of people you’re pieing. So, you could type ‘cleek’ in the little text box, hit ‘Add’, and then all of my comments will show up as little comments about pie. If you change your mind about me later on, you can type ‘cleek’ in the text box and hit Remove and it will remove me from your pie list.
You can look at the list of all the people you’re pieing with ‘Show List’.
You can also add people by typing in the number of one of their comments. So you could type “#71” in the text box and hit Add, and the pie filter will look for comment 71, get the comment author name and it will add ‘cleek’ to your pie list. Just to be clear, it’s adding the author of comment #71, not just comment #71. The pie filter always works on author names.
The ‘#71’ feature will come in very handy if you want to Add/Remove someone who uses images in their name.
It will also look for replies to people you have pied. If it finds a reply to someone in your pie list, regardless of who did the replying, it will ‘pie’ that comment, too.
If you move to a different device or browser, your pie list will not follow you. The pie list is essentially stored in your browser.
cheers
Alain the site fixer
@Another Scott: I did then and do now, apparently – thanks, I hadn’t searched the site or media library for it yet.
The thing is, that graphic on it’s own is not a banner. It’s a 250×300 low-quality PNG. Putting that as the banner is a no-go. Now I know that we had asked John back then, and he got the logo we have now. I am not a graphic artist, and my limited skills cannot make it look good. There are other issues – the balloon man has no balloon and is B&W.
It’s on the list and this helps. I expect I’ll need a graphic artist to do some work; we need some kind of fusion of what we have now with that logo and I can’t do it.
Alain the site fixer
@cleek:
That’s clear problem analysis there, my friend. Thanks again, and let me know if I can ever help you!
Elizabelle
@cleek: I will never pie you. But thanks for the explanation.
The thought of never, ever having to read anything by that Hollandaise guy. Ever again?
Calls for pie, in real life. To celebrate. I think the Wilmer types are the most grating.
Betsy
Yay, yay, thank you! Have always wanted to use pie filter, never had the skillz.
Another Scott
@Alain the site fixer: There were many variations of the Balloon Man over the years. Someone could troll through the Balloon-Juice archives at the Wayback Machine and snag banner with one (it looks like he was last here sometime pre-2012), but if someone is willing to create a new one, that would of course be much better.
Cheers,
Scott.
cleek
@Alain the site fixer:
we can all thank Another Scott for requesting a way to handle such nyms.
Roger Moore
@cleek:
Why not Ed, then?
D58826
Didn’t the site have a rotating tag line back in the day.? missed it
Ohio Mom
@JMG: sigh…
On another note, continued thanks to Alain and everyone else working on the technical end of things.
And, no, the dotted line does not bother me, and I appreciate the lack of threading.
Alain the site fixer
@D58826: It did, but this theme didn’t support it (plus our solution will work on mobile) and so we had a sidebar.This is more like what it was, slightly improved.
Alain the site fixer
@cleek: You should setup a PayPal donation link so we can throw you some change in thanks.
Alain the site fixer
@Another Scott: Thanks, I added it to the Issue tracker. As someone who might be on Github, I expect you can find it.
Alain the site fixer
@cleek: Cheers for Scott then! :)
Another Scott
@Alain the site fixer: (blush).
I felt guilty about the request, actually. :-/
Cheers,
Scott.
sharl
Although I’ve never used it, the built-in pie filter feature sounds interesting. Can’t see it at work – I assume that is due to the same workplace filtering that I assume is preventing auto-saving of my username/Email*. Looking forward to seeing it when I get home.
*fyi, with this comment gonna change my Email-of-record. I understand that a moderator needs to OK this comment for the new info to be automatically accepted for future commenting.
Major Major Major Major
@sharl:
If you can’t see the controls at all, then it’s determined your browser won’t support it and doesn’t load itself. Clever girl.
sharl
@Major Major Major Major: It’s beyond my ken, so I’ll take your word for it. I do see the click/toggle for Comment Instructions at the bottom of the page, so unless I’ve overlooked the feature (e.g., elsewhere on the site), it ain’t there for me here at work (on Chrome using a PC with Win10).
Alain the site fixer
@sharl: glad to see my instructions/help helped even a longer-term commenter! :)
Alain the site fixer
@sharl: it would be below the red Comment help, so yeah, since it’s not showing, your browser doesn’t allow local data storage which is a common security policy for a number of companies, especially financial.
sharl
@sharl: P.S. The same workplace filtering presumably also eliminated the feature that allows editing of comments for several minutes after posting a comment. That filtering, along with the aforementioned loss of auto-saved Name/Email, happened a few months ago. (Also, in case it wasn’t clear, the “feature” I was referring to in the final sentence of that last comment is the pie filter.)
P.S.#2 – Thanks for quick approval of my new e-mail address!
Alain the site fixer
@sharl: truth be told, I went to free it and it was already free. I suspect Betty in this clear case of good customer service!
JanieM
@Yutsano:
Ask @JMG, that’s the mention I’m responding to. I should have asked for a source myself, but it’s such a longstanding pattern it certainly wouldn’t be surprising. (Google produces nothing at the moment.)
sharl
@Alain the site fixer: Well thanks to Betty (or whomever) and all the front-pagers for the posting and behind-the-scenes work you all do, and thanks to you in particular for all this time-consuming work you have been doing on the site, not to mention the worthy “side-projects” (gnG tribute, travel pics, etc.).
Alain the site fixer
@sharl: My pleasure! There’s a few other enhancements coming soon. I want to test some new plugins for, and we’ve got some more customizations to, commenting that I think folks will love. The Pie filter was step 1 of 4 in making commenting better. We plan to have a pre-comment check to ensure banned words, etc. aren’t included. Lots of neat stuff.
Aleta
@sharl: same here
Miss Bianca
@Butthurt Jordan Trombone (fka XTPD): NOOOOOOOOOOOOO threading!!
cleek
@Roger Moore:
because i didn’t think of it
JR in WV
@Alain the site fixer:
Preview being a ver’ good thing!
cleek
@Alain the site fixer:
nah. “professional programmer’ is my day job. “hobby programmer” is just for fun.
sharl
@JanieM: I just did a search* on the past 24 hours using the advanced twitter search feature, but nothing came up showing that Sen. Collins has committed to a decision on AHCA, but has rather been showing her usual mastery of being vague/ambiguous.
*Here’s the link for that, but note that results sometimes tend to roll in slowly. Also, in my search set-up I used Collins rather than “Susan Collins” to cast a wider net, so I did haul in one or two irrelevant non-Susan’s in the catch, though the results list is still pretty short. [And FYI, if you want to catch same-day results using that Twitter Advanced Search feature, you have to manually enter tomorrow’s date as your end date for the search after you’ve executed a “Twitter-acceptable” search, since the date entry boxes in the search page won’t let you enter a future date. In other words, you have to tweak the search URL in the browser URL window in the results page (obtained upon execution of a Twitter-accepted search) to enter the tomorrow date. If you don’t normally mess with URL’s that way, it’s…complicated.]
Alain the site fixer
Must remove theme-based to top button. Tomorrow.
Another Scott
@sharl: Kinda sorta related. TheHill:
It’s not a done-deal yet.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
sharl
@Another Scott: Thanks, that seems consistent with the current state of things that I’ve been seeing elsewhere.
Phrases often used used by media outlets that I normally find irksome – like “(two) centrists” (in the excerpt you blockquoted) or “maverick” (Sen. Ragey McWalnuts) – I find 10x more irksome where huge issues like this are on the table. I think DC media act as enablers by incorporating such descriptors that are not only unnecessary for the story, but actually help to give these “centrists/mavericks” cover when in fact these kind of politicians so often cave in the end (Joe Lieberman was also a master of this sort of shit). I suppose it’s part of the cost for successfully practicing Access Journalism.
Gvg
@Alain the site fixer: I did a Google search in google images of balloon juice and found one of balloon man. Not sure it’s better, but it said it was for Charlie’s Angels logo contest so that may be where it came from or they might have an original?
DaddyJ
Alain, I think something is borked with your ad tracking. On Firefox there’s a super-annoying constant reload of Google Analytics and that annoying live-video ora.tv ad (Jesse Ventura/Larry King ad). Keeps cycling over and over, interferes with scrolling and commenting. Every time it cycles it adds to the page size, so I’m guessing leaving the page up long enough will crash the browser.
NotMax
@DaddyJ
Download and install the Privacy Badger browser add-on and have it squelch the offending items.
(Safe and designed by a trustworthy source.)
DaddyJ
@NotMax: Thanks, NotMax. I may check it out.
Alain, further investigation shows endless “Blocked loading mixed active content” error messages. Firefox is blocking http requests because your site is now https. But those pesky advertisers are determined to ram home their ads. If you are manually entering ad URLs, try removing the protocol from the start: “//edgecast-test.ora.tv/…”
NotMax
@DaddyJa>
It’s on the shortlist of must-haves for Firefox, in my book. Unobtrusive and efficient.
NotMax
@NotMax
As opposed to my typing, which sometimes is sketchy.
:)