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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Racial Justice / Post-racial America / Obviously This Election is a Fraud Because Blah People Voted

Obviously This Election is a Fraud Because Blah People Voted

by John Cole|  December 28, 20179:06 am| 76 Comments

This post is in: Post-racial America, Sociopaths

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Moore will not concede.

— Serenity Now! (@Johngcole) December 13, 2017

That’s the sum total of Roy Moore’s lawsuit that was filed to block the certification of Doug Jones:

Republican Roy Moore filed a lawsuit to try to stop Alabama from certifying Democrat Doug Jones as the winner of the U.S. Senate race.

The court filing occurred about 14 hours ahead of Thursday’s meeting of a state canvassing board to officially declare Jones the winner of the Dec. 12 special election. Jones defeated Moore by about 20,000 votes.

Moore’s attorney wrote in the complaint filed late Wednesday that he believed there were irregularities during the election and said there should be a fraud investigation and eventually a new election.

This is special:

One of the experts Moore cites is Richard Charnin, who says the probability that the election results are accurate is “less than one in 15 billion.” Charnin runs a blog devoted to “JFK conspiracy and systemic election fraud analysis,” and is known for pushing dubious voter-fraud claims, like that George W. Bush stole the 2004 election from John Kerry, Bernie Sanders is the rightful winner of the 2016 Democratic primary, and President Trump actually beat Hillary Clinton in the popular vote, not just the Electoral College.

Alabama officials have repeatedly said they found no evidence of voter fraud, and President Trump acknowledged that Moore lost on election night. It’s unclear when a judge will consider Moore’s complaint, but Alabama secretary of State John Merrill, a Republican who voted for Moore, seemed confident that nothing will come of it.

It will be fun watching this unfold because the legal community in Alabama fucking hates Moore.

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  1. 1.

    Raoul

    December 28, 2017 at 9:09 am

    The point of the suit is so that for the duration of Jones’ Senate career, the racist, horrible rump of the GOP (all of ’em, Katie) can say he is ‘illegitimate’ or at least that some cloud of doubt taints his election, and … so he should of course vote for GOP draconian bullshit.

    I mean, we’re still getting bullshit about birtherism re: Obama and he’s been retired for a year. They will not let this go. They will also use this to push more voter disenfranchisement in AL and nationwide.

    This must be resisted forcefully. Not just mocked. Not just countered with facts (they mean nothing to people with the GOP’s agenda of domination at any cost). They need to be kicked in the teeth. Daily. For this utter bullshit.

    Step one: Register as many blah voters as possible, in every state, from now to November.

  2. 2.

    germy

    December 28, 2017 at 9:09 am

    Somewhere Roy Moore is googling “Did Jill Stein get to keep the recount money she raised.”— Ira Madison III (@ira) December 13, 2017

  3. 3.

    Baud

    December 28, 2017 at 9:10 am

    Very few people on this planet are worse human beings than Donald Trump. Roy Moore is one of them. I was so happy to hear of Doug Jones’s win when I was away.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    December 28, 2017 at 9:13 am

    BTW, the news this morning said that Moore took a polygraph test and he said it proved he was telling to the truth about not knowing his accusers. So there!

  5. 5.

    Jay C

    December 28, 2017 at 9:13 am

    What it sounds like, to me, is that ol’ Roy is trying, via the back door, to get a recount on the State’s dime, rather than his own. (Or is it too late for that?). In any case, given the quality of the “evidence” he’s trying to present, it seems likely that a politer form of “piss off” is going to be his only takeaway….

    And I’m sure Moore will be using the “I wuz robbed”/”voter fraud” whine as a fundraising tool from now till ever…

  6. 6.

    Baud

    December 28, 2017 at 9:13 am

    @germy: I wonder if Putin has contacted Moore yet.

  7. 7.

    Alain the site fixer

    December 28, 2017 at 9:17 am

    @Baud: glad to see you’re back. Once I get the form working, I hope
    you’ll share some pictures and stories!

  8. 8.

    hedgehog mobile

    December 28, 2017 at 9:18 am

    Christ, what an asshole. Bet you he shows up at the Senate on January 3 and demands to be seated.

  9. 9.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 28, 2017 at 9:20 am

    Just another stop on Moore’s very own personal Grifter Gravy Train.

    “I wuz ROBBED! Send me money now, you racist morons, these cons don’t run themselves!”

    Honestly, it’s appropriate Moore continue this grift, as it firmly and forever puts him out of power. If he had conceded and taken the high road, he *might* have been able to retain a shred of dignity and respect, and found a way back into power. Instead he has cemented his fate as a foolish, grasping racist relegated to the sidelines and his cheesy fleece of the rubes.

  10. 10.

    Cluttered Mind

    December 28, 2017 at 9:21 am

    @hedgehog mobile: He’ll probably show up there on a horse too.

  11. 11.

    debbie

    December 28, 2017 at 9:21 am

    I love the bit about passing a polygraph proving he didn’t know the women he’s said to have abused. Since when did attackers need to know their victims’ names?

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    December 28, 2017 at 9:27 am

    Mr. Moore’s court filing ran for dozens of pages, and it argued that returns in Jefferson County, the state’s most populous county, “confirmed election fraud.” It also said that turnout in the county was suspiciously high; it suggested that Mr. Jones had benefited from voter intimidation; and it argued that Mr. Moore’s opponents had spread “lies and fraudulent misrepresentations.”

    Yes, the renowned Alabama Democrat [sic] political machine intimidated those poor Republicans. Also, I’m sure we’re all eager to learn of the legal theory which bans lies in political campaigns, especially given the current resident of the White House.

  13. 13.

    hueyplong

    December 28, 2017 at 9:27 am

    This feels mostly like a reminder of just what an awful thing we dodged when Jones beat Moore.

  14. 14.

    dmsilev

    December 28, 2017 at 9:28 am

    @Cluttered Mind: The horse would have a better claim at being seated, and would undoubtedly make a better Senator.

  15. 15.

    germy

    December 28, 2017 at 9:31 am

    Obviously This Election is a Fraud Because Blah People Voted

    A few more trips to Trump Country and we'll really know what makes them tick. pic.twitter.com/bUmvFtSjO6— Schooley (@Rschooley) December 27, 2017

  16. 16.

    Roger Moore

    December 28, 2017 at 9:31 am

    @Raoul:

    The point of the suit is so that for the duration of Jones’ Senate career, the racist, horrible rump of the GOP (all of ’em, Katie) can say he is ‘illegitimate’ or at least that some cloud of doubt taints his election, and … so he should of course vote for GOP draconian bullshit.

    I think it’s at least as much to see how long they can delay certification of the election and keep Strange in Washington. Also, too, they can fundraise and use this as an excuse for further draconian voter suppression efforts.

  17. 17.

    germy

    December 28, 2017 at 9:35 am

    @Roger Moore:

    Alabama officials have repeatedly said they found no evidence of voter fraud, and President Trump acknowledged that Moore lost on election night. It’s unclear when a judge will consider Moore’s complaint, but Alabama secretary of State John Merrill, a Republican who voted for Moore, seemed confident that nothing will come of it.

    “It is not going to delay certification and Doug Jones will be certified (Thursday) at 1 p.m. and he will be sworn in by Vice-President Pence on the 3rd of January,” Merrill told the Associated Press.

  18. 18.

    BruceFromOhio

    December 28, 2017 at 9:38 am

    @germy: Translated: We’ve had enough of his bullshit, too.

  19. 19.

    marcopolo

    December 28, 2017 at 9:39 am

    Good morning folks. This here being an AL Senate race thread, let me recommend this interview between Ezra Klein & Joe Trippi which I read yesterday. Trippi was the campaign’s media strategist & they talk about what Trippi saw voters reacting to during the race, why he thinks Jones won & what he thinks were the major takeaways from the race for Democrats running in 2018. Here is the core of his argument:

    Trippi says the central insight of the Jones campaign was that many voters, including many Trump-friendly Republicans, are already exhausted by the chaos and hostility of Trump’s Washington, and they’re open to alternatives. That was the opportunity Jones exploited, and it’s a lesson Trippi thinks is a model other Democrats could learn from in 2018.

    And for those with more time, there is a link in the article to the one hour podcast from which the article is quoting.

  20. 20.

    Roger Moore

    December 28, 2017 at 9:39 am

    @germy:
    Just because they say it doesn’t mean it’s true. An injunction could stop the certification.

  21. 21.

    The Moar You Know

    December 28, 2017 at 9:51 am

    It will be fun watching this unfold because the legal community in Alabama fucking hates Moore.

    This is true. I suspect when the state tells him to go get bent – which will be fairly quickly – he’s going to try to file some sort of Fed civil rights violation. Given that his party of choice have largely gutted those laws, that may be hilarious, but unfortunately he may be able to draw it out for a while.

  22. 22.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 9:52 am

    Alabama is both responsible for the Voting Rights Act and responsible for gutting the Voting Rights Act:

    It was Alabama that brought the country the Voting Rights Act (VRA) because of its brutality against black citizens in places like Selma. “The Voting Rights Act is Alabama’s gift to our country,” the civil-rights lawyer Debo Adegbile once said.
    And it was a county in Alabama–Shelby County–that brought the 2013 challenge that gutted the VRA. As a result of that ruling, those states with the worst histories of voting discrimination, including Alabama, no longer have to approve their voting changes with the federal government.

    Any time you hear a conservative going on and on about the sainted and brilliant Justice Roberts remember that he failed miserably on one of his most important decisions. You only need one mistake if it’s big enough, and gutting the VRA was a big mistake. Put that disaster tops on his legacy list. It was idiotic. Only an absolute clueless privileged moron couldn’t imagine that voter suppression would come roaring back, and come roaring back it did.

  23. 23.

    Ocotillo

    December 28, 2017 at 9:57 am

    I am surprised the Turtle isn’t willing to delay seating Jones ala Norm Coleman just to keep the others from having that extra vote. He knows Moore will not prevail but it is just his style to wait for the judicial process to work it’s course.

  24. 24.

    tobie

    December 28, 2017 at 9:57 am

    @marcopolo: Interesting insight. I’ll download the podcast. This matches my own sense of exhaustion at the daily mess-ups, outrages, and violations of basic norms. Glad to hear some Republicans are feeling that way, too.

  25. 25.

    woodrowfan

    December 28, 2017 at 10:00 am

    @hedgehog mobile: I feel sorry for that poor horse being badly ridden up the Capitol steps.

  26. 26.

    woodrowfan

    December 28, 2017 at 10:01 am

    @debbie: polygraphs only work if people feel guilty or scared of lying. They don;t work on people, like Moore and drumph, who lie as easily as breathing.

  27. 27.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 10:04 am

    I’m a little concerned that they’ll start hauling AA voters in for questioning. I’d like to think it won’t happen but I live in a country where they are still investigating Hillary Clinton for Bengazi and emails, so in my opinion all bets are off. Also- Jeff Sessions is the AG so, ya know, no help there.

    If there’s some kind of bogus inquiry where they attempt to intimidate AA voters I’d like to see a really robust response – it will have to be donor funded and staffed with private lawyers, ideally Alabama lawyers.

    We had real efforts to intimidate AA voters in Ohio in 2012. They went into urban areas and so we had some AA people in positions of power (locally- bds of elections and mayors) who were able to stop them but they got enough traction that they were holding bogus hearings.

  28. 28.

    MattF

    December 28, 2017 at 10:04 am

    @Baud: In fact, the polygraph refused to touch Moore and then sued for harassment.

  29. 29.

    sdhays

    December 28, 2017 at 10:09 am

    @Kay: A lot of people say Citizens United was the worst decision by the W-mangled Supreme Court, but the gutting of the VRA is the top one for me. The court made completely spurious justifications for its decision and really assumed more authority for itself than the Constitution conferred.

  30. 30.

    The Moar You Know

    December 28, 2017 at 10:10 am

    Any time you hear a conservative going on and on about the sainted and brilliant Justice Roberts remember that he failed miserably on one of his most important decisions. You only need one mistake if it’s big enough, and gutting the VRA was a big mistake. Put that disaster tops on his legacy list. It was idiotic. Only an absolute clueless privileged moron couldn’t imagine that voter suppression would come roaring back, and come roaring back it did.

    @Kay: You do know, of course, that to a conservative this is the most brilliant decision in the history of modern jurisprudence. Precisely because of the results.

  31. 31.

    Capri

    December 28, 2017 at 10:14 am

    No too surprising, Moore hasn’t conceded the Civil War yet either.

  32. 32.

    hedgehog mobile

    December 28, 2017 at 10:18 am

    @woodrowfan: /shudders/

  33. 33.

    laura

    December 28, 2017 at 10:22 am

    @Kay: Only an absolute clueless privileged moron couldn’t imagine that voter suppression would come roaring back
    Sadly, what the privileged moron did was by design, with years and years of planning, and no end of money and intellectual chop shops, and if it hadn’t have been Roberts, it would have been Alito or Gorsuch or any Federalist Society member.

  34. 34.

    Kathleen

    December 28, 2017 at 10:23 am

    @Kay: A local TV station in Cincinnati procreated that poultry repeatedly and did “special investigation” based on complaints of “fraud” by GOP county chair who also served on county election commission. Turned out one poll worker voted twice and station hyped story way out of proportion. I refuse to watch them for that reason.

  35. 35.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 10:34 am

    @sdhays:

    It’s the kind of decision that makes people feel like their leaders are out of touch because if they don’t know that, if they can’t anticipate the kind of abuses that will (and did) occur the moment Roberts gutted that law then they don’t know anything about “us”.

    It was 100% predictable that they would put in restrictive ID laws and then close state office branches- the places you have to go to get the ID- in AA areas. It’s a fundamental ignorance of how things work. The justices could not put themselves in the shoes of voters- A to B to C. Ordinary lives were unimaginable to them. A big part of the Texas cases are geography. The advocates had to drive home the distances we are talking about – the traveling poor people would have to do- 60 miles, 120 miles and what that translates to in time off work or cost. It was like they were explaining the United States to a group of people who don’t really live here.

  36. 36.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 10:44 am

    @Kathleen:

    Voter impersonation fraud, the kind of fraud voter ID laws are (supposedly) stopping, is tiny because it’s ludicrous on its face.

    Walk thru this premise that media and conservatives bought completely. A person who is NOT a lawful voter appears personally at a polling station and impersonates a lawful voter. Pretends to be a different person. Hundreds or thousands or millions of these people. It’s not even a plus one. It’s one voter replacing another voter because there’s only one name in the poll book! That name can’t vote twice!

    It’s the worst scheme in the history of the world. Normally sensible people should have said “this theory is fucking crazy” and you don’t have to know anything about election law to see that. Instead they all said “let’s pass laws to stop it”.

  37. 37.

    dmsilev

    December 28, 2017 at 10:47 am

    @Kay: You’re being much too kind to Roberts by assuming that he was ignorant of what would happen. It was malice, not incompetence.

  38. 38.

    rikyrah

    December 28, 2017 at 10:53 am

    These muthaphuckas closed every DMV office in a Black county, have a ridiculous poll tax Voter ID law, and still folks came out to vote.

    We have NUMEROUS instances of Attempted Voter Suppression from election day.

    Get the ENTIRE phuck outta here calling Voter Fraud

  39. 39.

    Emma

    December 28, 2017 at 10:53 am

    @Kay: which is why I keep saying Democrats have to emphasize winning local elections. There’s real power there.

  40. 40.

    sdhays

    December 28, 2017 at 11:24 am

    @Kay: I think you’re too kind. I think they simply didn’t care. The text of the 14th Amendment called for deference to Congress, especially with large majority passing the reauthorization. They wanted to gut it, so they did. The conservative “justices” are just evil.

  41. 41.

    matt

    December 28, 2017 at 11:31 am

    @laura: The Federalist Society is an organization whose purpose is rigging the US legal system.

  42. 42.

    randy khan

    December 28, 2017 at 11:32 am

    @debbie:

    What he means is that he passed *by* a polygraph. They just left a little tiny word out of the complaint.

    And, besides, polygraph results can’t be used in a court. Both he and his lawyers know that. (Okay, maybe just his lawyers.) It’s of a piece with the rest of his terrible arguments. (People lied during the campaign and so there should be a new election? Turnout was really high in precincts where people hated him and so it must be fraud? Seriously?) I’m not even sure that the court will wait for a response before throwing this out. Or, better yet, it could let the certification happen without doing anything. That would be really funny.

  43. 43.

    MattF

    December 28, 2017 at 11:41 am

    @randy khan: Or, Moore could be lying.

  44. 44.

    Rapier

    December 28, 2017 at 11:44 am

    This is just Roy staying in the news. His life is staying in the news. He’s a publicity hound just like most of Trump’s circle. He will always be running for something or otherwise finding ways to get his picture on TV. He lives to be a celebrity. That’s it. He may have convinced himself that his beliefs are genuine but I doubt it. They are just the means to an end. Being a celebrity.

  45. 45.

    randy khan

    December 28, 2017 at 11:49 am

    @MattF:

    Or, Moore could be lying.

    Well, if you want to go with the *obvious* choice . . .

  46. 46.

    kindness

    December 28, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    Who else sees shades of Al Franken’s election in this? Moore (his funders really) want to slow down the seating of an elected Democrat instead of a Republican to a seat they think they own.

  47. 47.

    Cluttered Mind

    December 28, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    @dmsilev: That’s what Caligula said. That said, Caligula might make a better senator than Roy Moore too.

  48. 48.

    George Spiggott

    December 28, 2017 at 12:13 pm

    @Kay:

    Not a “mistake” to the long-term operative, John G. Roberts:

    […during the Reagan administration, John G. Roberts, then a young special assistant to the US attorney general, led a crusade to gut the VRA by eliminating the preclearance requirement and demanding explicit evidence of racist intentions on the part of lawmakers, not simply an evaluation of the effects, to invalidate changes in voting laws. Roberts was furious when Congress extended the life of the VRA, which Reagan signed into law in June 1982….]

  49. 49.

    randy khan

    December 28, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    @kindness:

    This feels more like a freelance effort by Moore to me, for what it’s worth. And since nobody in Alabama politics or the Alabama court system likes him, I think it’s doomed and will be over quickly.

  50. 50.

    George Spiggott

    December 28, 2017 at 12:18 pm

    @Kay:

    “Oh. Who’s being naive, Kay?”

    Sorry, just wanted to say that ;) Of course you know it’s not due to “ignorance” on the part of the GOP operatives, but all part of the plan.

  51. 51.

    George Spiggott

    December 28, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    @Kay:

    A person who is NOT a lawful voter appears personally at a polling station and impersonates a lawful voter. Pretends to be a different person. Hundreds or thousands or millions of these people.

    We should change election day to Halloween. I’ll dress up as Eddie Munster so I can impersonate and vote as Paul Ryan.

  52. 52.

    George Spiggott

    December 28, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    @Cluttered Mind:

    That’s what Caligula said. That said, Caligula might make a better senator than Roy Moore too.

    Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.

  53. 53.

    laura

    December 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    @matt: in my first year of law school I tried attending a few “clubs” including the Federalist Society. Yikes!11! It was not for me, to say the least.
    Even worse, I got to be in the same class as Andy Pugno -who went on to champion Prop (hate)8.

  54. 54.

    burnspbesq

    December 28, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    I would pay serious money to watch Charnin be cross-examined under oath regarding his qualifications as an expert on voter fraud.

  55. 55.

    burnspbesq

    December 28, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Moore carried Shelby County by 56 percent to 42.

  56. 56.

    Ruckus

    December 28, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    @dmsilev:
    The literal horse’s ass would make a better senator. In smell, looks, and personality.

  57. 57.

    Ruckus

    December 28, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    @woodrowfan:
    I think they lie easier than breathing. Or at least as easy. They breathe through autonomic function, their ability to lie is as autonomic to them.

  58. 58.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    I still can’t believe the Trump Administration hired a TRUCK to block photos of lazy-ass Trump golfing again.

    No one gives a shit. We know all he does is watch tv and golf. Dear Leader exposes himself on a daily basis. No reason to put a raincoat on him.

  59. 59.

    Frankensteinbeck

    December 28, 2017 at 1:14 pm

    This is utterly meaningless. It’s just Moore being himself, a deranged, conspiracy-theorist sore loser.

    @Raoul:
    They will let this go. It will disappear in the memory hole with astonishing speed. Nobody will care outside Alabama, and damn few people will care in Alabama. Birtherism was driven by a black man being president. BANGHAZIIII was driven both by the black man (It’s about how Obama wants Americans to die because he’s a Muslim) and a woman who dared to seek more power (why it became Emails in the press). There is no equivalent hate here.

    @Baud:
    Polygraph tests are godawful unreliable. I don’t support their use for anything. They’re not good for identifying lies, and they have a gigantic 30% rate of identifying truth as a lie.

    EDIT – Oh, and they require an element of human interpretation. You know where THAT leads.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    December 28, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    I think they don’t like photos of Trump golfing because the photos are unflattering. Trump is the kind of man who has to live in an oversized suit. He looks horrible in casual clothes. Without those straight lines concealing him – ugh. Plus his ridiculous elaborate combover comes undone. He probably chose golf as a sport because it involves clothing that covers.

  61. 61.

    Quinerly

    December 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Someone may have mentioned this…just heard a local Alabama reporter commenting on NPR. He said what Moore really wants is to be governor. He’s doing this to keep his name in the news and to keep his voters stirred up.

  62. 62.

    Roger Moore

    December 28, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    @Kay:

    Only an absolute clueless privileged moron couldn’t imagine that voter suppression would come roaring back, and come roaring back it did.

    Allowing voter suppression was the whole point of the decision. It was sabotage, not some kind of short-sighted mistake.

  63. 63.

    DougJ

    December 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm

    You nailed it.

  64. 64.

    randy khan

    December 28, 2017 at 1:54 pm

    Alabama reporter on Twitter says the state judge has denied the stay request.

    Shocking.

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    December 28, 2017 at 2:12 pm

    @laura:

    As I’ve said before, I know for sure that ghosts don’t exist because the ghosts of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton are not constantly hounding members of the “Federalist” Society for opposing everything Madison and Hamilton wrote in The Federalist.

  66. 66.

    MattF

    December 28, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    @randy khan: Done. Certification occurred at 1:10 Alabama time.

  67. 67.

    sdhays

    December 28, 2017 at 2:18 pm

    @Quinerly: I wonder how much of a chance he has now. He lost to a Demoncrat! The stench of loserdom alone should make his next primary that much more difficult. And once he’s facing Republicans again, they might be willing to actually create some, say, law enforcement issues for him to deal with in order to ensure he doesn’t jeopardize their hold on the state government.

  68. 68.

    Mnemosyne

    December 28, 2017 at 2:24 pm

    Also, too:

    It’s unclear when a judge will consider Moore’s complaint, but Alabama secretary of State John Merrill, a Republican who voted for Moore, seemed confident that nothing will come of it.

    Let’s be clear: there is existing documentary evidence that John Merrill did everything in his power to tilt the election to Moore, and it’s quite possible that at least a few of those things crossed the legal borderline. The last thing Merrill wants is a federal investigation that will expose everything he did to benefit Moore. Merrill needs to sweep everything under the rug ASAP.

  69. 69.

    Yarrow

    December 28, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Absolutely right. He wants any talk of investigations into his area of influence shut down right now. Even if that means certifying a Democrat as the winner.

  70. 70.

    randy khan

    December 28, 2017 at 2:34 pm

    @MattF:

    Excellent.

    So the question now is whether Moore will try to further befoul his former court by appealing the judge’s ruling. (I’m going with “yes.”)

  71. 71.

    MattF

    December 28, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    @randy khan:

    Seems likely. NYT notes:

    The election aftermath followed a familiar pattern for Mr. Moore, who in the past has been eager to declare victories and pronounce grievances — but loath to concede defeats. To this day, Republicans note, Mr. Moore has not conceded his losses in the 2006 or 2010 Republican primaries for governor, and there is already speculation in Montgomery that he might run for governor or attorney general next year.

  72. 72.

    rikyrah

    December 28, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    Let’s be clear: there is existing documentary evidence that John Merrill did everything in his power to tilt the election to Moore, and it’s quite possible that at least a few of those things crossed the legal borderline. The last thing Merrill wants is a federal investigation that will expose everything he did to benefit Moore. Merrill needs to sweep everything under the rug ASAP.

    Absolutely on point

  73. 73.

    Ken

    December 28, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    @MattF:

    Certification occurred at 1:10 Alabama time.

    So that’s what, 1843 in the rest of the world?

  74. 74.

    Dulcie

    December 28, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    @George Spiggott: Eddie Munster libel!!!!

  75. 75.

    justawriter

    December 28, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Roy Moore doesn’t know the meaning of the word defeat.
    He doesn’t know the meaning of very many other words either.

  76. 76.

    laura

    December 28, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    @Mnemosyne: and that is what I naively presumed in attending the meeting. Talk about a he-man women haters club. And yet, the accretion and abuse of power in opposition of Mr. H and Mr. M.

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