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Afternoon Moment of Zen

by John Cole|  May 30, 20183:12 pm| 97 Comments

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It’s an overcast day, and all I wanted to do was sit in bed and read (Neil Gaiman’s Norse Mythology, fyi). The herd was having none of that shit:

I suppose I need to go water all the plants and weed the peas and tomatoes and check on the birds.

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  1. 1.

    Spanky

    May 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    You go weed the peas and Lily will pee on the weeds.

    Symmetry.

  2. 2.

    schrodingers_cat

    May 30, 2018 at 3:14 pm

    Steve looks hungry. Please to give him some gooshie fuds.

  3. 3.

    LAO

    May 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    So, I’m not a cat person — but this twitter thread is golden:

    So… I JUST FOUND A CAT THAT IS NOT MINE AND IT HAS HAD BABIES UNDER MY BED. pic.twitter.com/83ktBHGgT5— Paris Zarcilla (@ParisZarcilla) May 30, 2018

    ETA: My favorite:

    I think I'm living the best day of my life. Wait, no. Actually fuck it yes I am. This is the best :') pic.twitter.com/1P4eryHLyw— Paris Zarcilla (@ParisZarcilla) May 30, 2018

  4. 4.

    zhena gogolia

    May 30, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    The cuteness is killing me!

  5. 5.

    trollhattan

    May 30, 2018 at 3:16 pm

    They’re all staring at you! Do not make eye contact.

    Lily’s one cocked ear cracks me up, as if she’s about to deliver the punchline.

  6. 6.

    trollhattan

    May 30, 2018 at 3:20 pm

    Did no-one remember the “Argo” scenes with the roomful of Iranian kids taping together shredded US Embassy documents? How about you, Cohen?

    Federal prosecutors revealed on Wednesday in the Michael Cohen case that they will present to the court shredded documents that have been reassembled. During a hearing in federal district court on Wednesday, Assistant U.S. Attorney Rachel Maimin said that prosecutors would provide “the contents of a shredding machine” in coming days, according to New York Daily News court reporter Stephen Brown.

    Former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa noted that the FBI has an “amazing” ability to reassemble shredded documents. “This will not end well for the defense,” she wrote on Twitter.

  7. 7.

    Yarrow

    May 30, 2018 at 3:22 pm

    Lily! And all the critters! Now that is a tonic. So cute.

    Does Lily chew on her bandage on her leg? Looked like she was going for it.

  8. 8.

    TomatoQueen

    May 30, 2018 at 3:23 pm

    Would gush and coo but the site keeps freezing. Hello babies.

  9. 9.

    sukabi

    May 30, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    John…All I see is a bunch of lounging slackers…until there is a chase all through the house, under tables and over the bed you’re sitting in, with Steve doing the chasing, you’re unjustly accusing ‘the herd’ of interrupting your leisure time.

  10. 10.

    Nicole

    May 30, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    @trollhattan: Wow. I don’t commit crimes, and even I would know enough to burn documents I didn’t want to see the light of day, not just shred them. Man, criminals are stupid. And lazy.

  11. 11.

    John Cole

    May 30, 2018 at 3:27 pm

    @Yarrow: I was supposed to remove it last night and forgot.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 3:28 pm

    @LAO: The NYTimes story about Trump’s meeting with Sessions appears to implicate the asshole in chief to obstruction of justice.
    What do you think?

  13. 13.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 30, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    @Nicole: Shred, burn, add water to the ashes, and stir.

  14. 14.

    HeleninEire

    May 30, 2018 at 3:29 pm

    OK. So we all have had this conversation before. I am not a pet person (and by far not a cat person), but OH HOLY HELL that Steve picture is the best picture EVA!!

    ETA: Cole, and we’re gonna get a Lily chemo update today, yes?

  15. 15.

    LAO

    May 30, 2018 at 3:30 pm

    @JPL: I think it’s very, very bad for Trump. And, the fact that Trump continues to tweet about his desire to fire Sessions because he recused himself from the investigation demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal criminal justice system. Sessions could bury Trump — we will see whether he does or does not.

  16. 16.

    The Moar You Know

    May 30, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    Former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa noted that the FBI has an “amazing” ability to reassemble shredded documents. “This will not end well for the defense,” she wrote on Twitter.

    @trollhattan: I’ve seen people skate on gross and obvious spoliation before. Kinda depends on what’s in those documents.

  17. 17.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    Going to say this again…

    It’s their house…they let you live in it because you feed them.
    LOL
    Casa Cole really would be a hilarious reality show.

  18. 18.

    satby

    May 30, 2018 at 3:32 pm

    @LAO: that cat looks just like the not-so-feral cat I trapped before she had her kittens.

  19. 19.

    Yarrow

    May 30, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    @John Cole: Awww…she was just reminded you to take the bandage off, perfect angel that she is.

  20. 20.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 3:34 pm

    That picture of Steve doesn’t even scare me :)

  21. 21.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    May 30, 2018 at 3:35 pm

    I saw this plate earlier today.
    The car is a Tesla Model S.

    Watts Up

    ?

  22. 22.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    @trollhattan:

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

  23. 23.

    MelissaM

    May 30, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    I love how Steve and Rosie look anywhere but the camera. They pulled some shit and you just haven’t found it yet.

  24. 24.

    germy

    May 30, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Steve is a handsome boy. A handsome boy.

    And he looks nice and comfortable with that crew cut.

  25. 25.

    TaMara (HFG)

    May 30, 2018 at 3:45 pm

    In the midst of all this ugliness, it’s the critters that will save us. That one of Lily and Steve is just priceless. He’s HUGE. And I have a Maine Coon…and a tuxedo that swears he’s part panther at 18 lbs and Steve dwarfs them.

    I had ducks helping me this morning as I was relocating soil (long, humorous Scout story I will share later). I like to think it’s because they enjoy my company, but I know it’s really for the worms I was dislodging.

  26. 26.

    Mary G

    May 30, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    Those paws on Steve look ginormous with the hair shaved off the leg. You got all four of them in one video! Even Rosie!

  27. 27.

    germy

    May 30, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    “I find that a duck’s opinion of me is very much influenced over whether or not I have bread.”

    ― Mitch Hedberg

  28. 28.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    @LAO: It’s possible that Sessions wanted the information leaked, in order to remind the president not to fire him. Sessions enjoys his role, because it allows him to punish the brown people.
    Jenifer Rubin just wrote an opinion piece for the Post.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/05/30/how-jeff-sessions-could-bring-about-trumps-downfall/?utm_term=.464c2321d186

  29. 29.

    donnah

    May 30, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    Lily looks wonderful! Steve is a handsome dude, but Lily just looks so sweet and pretty.

  30. 30.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    Pink is a good color for Lily.

  31. 31.

    petesh

    May 30, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    Walks!

    Friendly amendment from Steve: And Food!

    Amendment carried nem. con.; main motion carried 3–1.

    Right?

  32. 32.

    danielx

    May 30, 2018 at 3:53 pm

    @John Cole:

    Yeah, Steve is telling you who you are and what you’re supposed be doing, all right – you ARE an insignificant furless food provider, and you ARE neglecting your assigned tasks. Or one of them anyway; the most important – FOODS!

  33. 33.

    danielx

    May 30, 2018 at 3:56 pm

    Also too, kitten cuteness is overwhelming.

  34. 34.

    Calouste

    May 30, 2018 at 3:58 pm

    @trollhattan: I wonder if those 1,000,000 pieces of evidence that were mentioned yesterday are 1,000,000 snippets.

    Having a scanner and some shape/character recognition software will speed up the process significantly, and I assume the FBI system is a lot more sophisticated than that.

  35. 35.

    Aleta

    May 30, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    It does appear to be a pet intervention. They’re concerned but polite, “It’s because we care.”
    They look so secure. It brings out their beauty.

  36. 36.

    Sister Golden Bear

    May 30, 2018 at 4:02 pm

    CAN I HAZ BIRDIES?! MOAR BIRDIES!

    Hey, all caps worked yesterday… //

  37. 37.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 4:03 pm

    @LAO:

    The entire thread is wonderful.

  38. 38.

    ET

    May 30, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    That’s a good photo of Steve and Lily.

  39. 39.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Anyone else watch IZombie?

    I really liked the season finale. Glad that it got a final season.

  40. 40.

    Mike in NC

    May 30, 2018 at 4:06 pm

    Been in Florida nearly a week and it’s rained 90% of the time. Tomorrow we fly home where the weather is no better.

    Rental car is a Hyundai Elantra, and it’s pretty nice. Way back in ’89 I bought a Hyundai Excel and it was a total lemon. Have stuck with Hondas ever since.

  41. 41.

    jl

    May 30, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    Maybe the pets want a full-service master, but Cole cannot figure out the request.
    At least we commenters let you know what we require of a full-service blog.: a small cut of the fat sweet profits that blog racks in, and free samples in the recipe and garden posts. Is that too much to ask?.

  42. 42.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 30, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    @trollhattan: Cohen being the criminal mastermind he is, I’ll bet he used the cheapo consumer grade shredder that just cuts it into strips. There are better grades of shredders that could make the job a lot harder.

    I have a cross-cut shredder at home for stuff I want to shred. And if I’m REALLY concerned about the sensitivity of something, I compost the shreds.

  43. 43.

    Omnes Omnibus

    May 30, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    @Nicole: Shred, burn, add water to the ashes, and stir.

  44. 44.

    Miss Bianca

    May 30, 2018 at 4:13 pm

    @LAO: OMG, that is so fucking cute I am hurting right now.

    And JC, that look Steve is giving you is *intense*. I mean, I’ve *had* a Maine Coon and that’s almost too intense for *me*!

  45. 45.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    May 30, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    @Mike in NC: That happened to us when we spent a week in Galway, Ireland. Poured down miserable cold rain every day. But it just made it all the sweeter to slip into an Irish pub, sip an Irish coffee (good strong Irish tea for the Missus) and listen to some good Irish music. Hope you had a good way to warm up and dry off in Florida.

  46. 46.

    Immanentize

    May 30, 2018 at 4:14 pm

    I need zen! Great pix. I needed kitteh.

    My computer crashed yesterday. Looks like the hard drive is completely borked. Backup? No, not really. I mean there is an external backup drive somewhere that my wife ran not long before she died last summer, but neither I nor the Immp knows where it is. Maybe list all digital photos of life since 2000 and Immp’s birth forward. There is some hope for some recovery….

    Yes, I’m an idiot. Please restrain yourselves from reminding me. But it just was so low on the survival priority list. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

  47. 47.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: Shred and compost is good not only to destroy materials, but for gardening.

  48. 48.

    MomSense

    May 30, 2018 at 4:20 pm

    My maine coon cat used to look up at me with that same expression. Please give Steve some treats for me.

  49. 49.

    Mandalay

    May 30, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Former FBI Special Agent Asha Rangappa noted that the FBI has an “amazing” ability to reassemble shredded documents.

    Hardly. They just scan the strands and let a program reassemble the document. Anyone with the required software (e.g. Unshredder), and a shredder as cheap and nasty as Cohen’s could do the same thing.

    See “How to reassemble a shredded document”.

  50. 50.

    Peale

    May 30, 2018 at 4:21 pm

    @JPL: I had a tough enough time rooting for Comey and pretending he was some virtuous paragon who’ll rescue the republic from Trumpism.

    I’m not fucking going to salivate over anything that makes sessions look like the “last man of principal”.

  51. 51.

    Schlemazel

    May 30, 2018 at 4:22 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    Hyundai was almost out of business in the US because they were selling trash. They decided to upgrade the quality and now are are top notch. There was a time they were practically giving the things away trying to get the word out.

  52. 52.

    Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady)

    May 30, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh god. Best of luck in finding the backup.

  53. 53.

    Peale

    May 30, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    @Mandalay: I remember reading a Time Magazine article on Iran back in the mid-80s where they displayed reassembled documents from the US embassy in a museum. They deployed oriental carpet weavers to the task. The technology has been available for 1500 years.

  54. 54.

    Yarrow

    May 30, 2018 at 4:26 pm

    @Immanentize: Oh, god. I am so sorry. Hope the backup works.

  55. 55.

    Immanentize

    May 30, 2018 at 4:28 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor (formerly Iowa Old Lady): yesterday I was suicidal. Today I’m more “oh well!” I may have freaked out the Immp a bit last night fretting about the lost photos. He seems unconcerned but he is 17. “Nothing you can do when a drive goes bad,” he said.

    Tru dat.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    May 30, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Take it to the nerd herd before getting really upset.

  57. 57.

    bluefish

    May 30, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    LOL! And sweet! I just gave that book to my 12-year old nephew over the weekend — for his b-day. Love the action there by the floor with those two as you film film film and put’em on blast! Like the pirates coming to circle you there, mate! Here we are, Man — willing to be patient but not indefinitely — expect you to get the message, all polite like, okay?

  58. 58.

    Immanentize

    May 30, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    @Yarrow: well I climbed down a bit after I realized I have a backup backup plan. The computer that crashed is about four years old only and sloth may save us as our old computer is just sitting downstairs in the basement with its intact hard drive (which we copied when we got the new machine). We just never got around to cleaning it up. So, worst case, loss of just four years of photos and NOT the sweet baby ones.

  59. 59.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm

    @Immanentize: Rikyrah is right, not all might be lost.

  60. 60.

    Immanentize

    May 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    @rikyrah: yes. That’s in my future too…. And a new computer. $$$. Well, as my uncle is fond of saying: “Ever see a hearse with a U-Haul?”

  61. 61.

    YetAnotherJay formerly (Jay S)

    May 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    @Peale:

    reassembled documents from the US embassy in a museum. They deployed oriental carpet weavers to the task

    That may well have been the inspiration for the crosscut shredder.

  62. 62.

    Ohio Mom

    May 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm

    @Immanentize: Find someone who is an expert in this sort of recovery and pay him/her. Don’t torture yourself trying to do it yourself.

  63. 63.

    JPL

    May 30, 2018 at 4:37 pm

    @Immanentize: That is good news, now contact a techie and see what else you can be saved.

  64. 64.

    Yarrow

    May 30, 2018 at 4:39 pm

    @Immanentize: Well, that’s not quite as bad. Still, it sucks to lose four years of photos.

    Sounds like it’s time to call up your local tech guys and see what they can do to save your stuff. That sort of thing happening is an argument in favor of automatic backup to cloud storage.

  65. 65.

    jl

    May 30, 2018 at 4:42 pm

    I’ll look for Trumptweets about the sinister jack booted thug Federal Deep Shredder Piece Together and how it is unfair to him (though maybe not to Mr. Cohen, since Trump has said Cohen had lots of his own business stuff, whatever that was, Trump don’t know).

    Edit: or maybe it will be sinister jack booted thug Federal Deep Elmers?

  66. 66.

    Barbara

    May 30, 2018 at 4:44 pm

    @trollhattan: I once knew of a private detective who reassembled documents that had been shredded, except that they were in Hebrew. Obviously, he should have purchased the confetti shredder.

  67. 67.

    MattF

    May 30, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @LAO: I think the key observations come from taking the words ‘Obstruction of Justice’ literally, without capital letters, as though they actually mean something. Is Trump trying to obstruct justice? Yes, obviously. He not only talks about obstructing justice, he laments that Sessions’ recusal prevents him from obstructing justice. How much clearer can you get?

  68. 68.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Did no-one remember the “Argo” scenes with the roomful of Iranian kids taping together shredded US Embassy documents? How about you, Cohen?

    There was something similar with Stasi files after German reunification. I think they can now do a lot of the reconstruction by scanning the shreds and having a computer do the reassembly, which is why the FBI can do it as quickly as it can.

  69. 69.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    May 30, 2018 at 4:47 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Have you tried plugging it into another PC?

    In the past I’ve had drives that became corrupted and wouldn’t boot, but I could pull files off of them when connected to another PC.

    A USB hard drive docking station was a godsend when I used to work on computers.

  70. 70.

    Barbara

    May 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    @Mandalay: Okay, at the end of that article I found this paragraph to be awesome:

    During the 1979 Iranian Revolution, students and militants who took over the U.S. Embassy in Tehran turned to local carpet weavers to reassemble classified CIA documents they found that had been shredded. These pages were later published in a set of about 60 volumes called Documents From the U.S. Espionage Den. And in 2002, former FBI agent William Daly took about an hour to reassemble a shredded page from the dictionary on Good Morning America.

  71. 71.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    @Calouste:

    I wonder if those 1,000,000 pieces of evidence that were mentioned yesterday are 1,000,000 snippets.

    That’s probably every file on every device the feds seized. When searching a computer, you have to look at absolutely everything, because a clever and competent criminal* might hide their important stuff using non-obvious names in non-obvious places. Still, the chances are most of the files are boring OS and application files rather than anything Cohen himself produced.

    *Yes, I know Michael Cohen fits in neither category.

  72. 72.

    Aleta

    May 30, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Immanentize: That’s good! Hope you run across the drive as time goes by. For me, lost things start turning up as my emotions settle down.

    Someone here erased a directory the other day. Days of painstaking work, no backup since 3 weeks ago. My friend said the worst loss in her house fire were the pictures. She was on a mission for the next few years, telling us all to “Grab the photos 1st!” or “Store copies out of the house!” We never did, but I’m reminded by you.

    Hoping for the best. Keep the faith.

  73. 73.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Yes, I’m an idiot. Please restrain yourselves from reminding me. But it just was so low on the survival priority list. And no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

    Not to rub it in, but this is why it’s best to have your backup process automated. At my work, we automatically back up everything every night. It requires no human supervision, but it does notify us if anything goes wrong. It’s incredibly convenient, and it means stuff keeps getting backed up even when we forget or go on vacation.

  74. 74.

    BruceFromOhio

    May 30, 2018 at 5:01 pm

    Such fine, noble creatures. Thank you for sharing!

    This cracked me up:

    The manufacturer of Ambien issued a statement on Wednesday dismissing actress Roseanne Barr’s suggestion that the sleep aid was to blame for her racist and anti-Semitic tweets that led to the cancellation of her rebooted sitcom …. “While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”

  75. 75.

    dmsilev

    May 30, 2018 at 5:02 pm

    A bit of good news out of California: The net neutrality bill, which is basically a raised middle finger to both Trump’s FCC and the cable companies, passed the State Senate. It goes to the Assembly next, and then (hopefully) to Gov. Brown for signature.

  76. 76.

    dmsilev

    May 30, 2018 at 5:06 pm

    @Roger Moore: It’s not too difficult to do at home either. A USB drive plus some easily available backup software (often just built in to the OS) is a no-muss-no-fuss way of protecting against drive failures and the like To protect against house fires and theft and so forth that could result in losing both original and local backup, you can sign up for a cloud-based backup service for not a huge amount of money. I’m currently using, and am fairly happy with, Backblaze, but there are several options.

  77. 77.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:08 pm

    @Immanentize:

    “Nothing you can do when a drive goes bad,” he said.

    It depends on what goes bad. There are companies that specialize in recovering data from damaged hard drives. If it’s just the motor or the electronics that went bad, they can remount the platters in a different drive case and get the data off that way.

  78. 78.

    oatler.

    May 30, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    Speaking of Gaiman’s “American Gods” series, Mr Wednesday is really Odin, while Loki is really…gee, isn’t it time for this series’ second season on Starz?

  79. 79.

    trollhattan

    May 30, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    I can’t begin to guess how many gazillion discrete files and fragments exist on my several multi-TB drives–it must be a mess for a digital forensic expert to plow through that stuff. Plus there’s the lack of user understanding an “erased” file on disc is simply flagged for eventual overwriting and not actually deleted in a meaningful way. Although I’m certain a super user like Cohen knows that, right?

  80. 80.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:12 pm

    @dmsilev:

    To protect against house fires and theft and so forth that could result in losing both original and local backup, you can sign up for a cloud-based backup service for not a huge amount of money.

    For off-site backup, I have a pair of portable hard drives. At any time, one of them is in my desk drawer at work, and the other one is at home. I’ll periodically back stuff up to the one at home, then swap it with the one at work.

  81. 81.

    J R in WV

    May 30, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    @Nicole: Shred, burn, add water to the ashes, and stir.

    Shred, burn, add water to the ashes, and stir. Then flush, or pour into the river. FTFY!

  82. 82.

    dmsilev

    May 30, 2018 at 5:17 pm

    @Roger Moore: That takes effort. The nice thing about automated solutions is that you don’t have to remember to swap drives around or anything like that.

  83. 83.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:19 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I can’t begin to guess how many gazillion discrete files and fragments exist on my several multi-TB drives–it must be a mess for a digital forensic expert to plow through that stuff.

    There are going to be shortcuts a good computer forensics person can use. I would assume the first thing to do would be to do a clean install of the same OS and applications onto another computer, then update to the same versions the suspect was using*. You can then compare the files on the clean computer to the ones on the suspect’s computer; anything that’s identical (name and contents) on both machines can be ignored. Then you can use undelete software to check for everything that’s been deleted but not overwritten and do the same with it.

    *A serious forensics outfit like the FBI that has to do this stuff regularly probably already does this with common operating systems and applications, so they have a complete set of all the files (or file signatures) on hand to compare to.

  84. 84.

    Leto

    May 30, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: One thing you have to remember during the burning process is to stir the material while it burns. If you have a lot of material that you’re attempting to burn all at once, only the outer material will burn while the inner core remains intact. Stir quickly, stir often.

  85. 85.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:22 pm

    @dmsilev:
    The problem for me is that cloud backup is impractical because my upload speed is too slow. I have over 1TB of files to backup, so uploading them all over my 5Mb/s upload cable internet is going to be impractically slow. Hmm. Maybe I could leach off my employer’s much faster internet…

  86. 86.

    trollhattan

    May 30, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    @Mandalay:
    I assume output from the crosscut shredders that create the little confetti bits that are commonly used now are a lot harder to recreate than those that did strips. Not trivial.

    But the bottom line is the pages still physically exist.

  87. 87.

    trollhattan

    May 30, 2018 at 5:26 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    I “know a guy” who did computer forensics for the Secret Service and after retiring, offered the services as a contractor. He eventually stopped doing that because the needed software was so expensive it was hard to earn a living from it.

    We at one point discussed Adam Lanza’s destroyed hard drives and whether anything useful could be coaxed from them, he had strong doubts about that.

  88. 88.

    debit

    May 30, 2018 at 5:28 pm

    @oatler.: Either the production company or Starz itself decided to cheap out and cut Bryan Fuller loose. Gillian Anderson said “fuck it” and walked. I don’t know if I’ll watch season 2 or not. Shame, because one rivaled Hannibal for sheer amazeballs.

  89. 89.

    FlyingToaster

    May 30, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    Re: shredders.

    Most municipalities have a visiting truck shredders a couple of times a year; for ones that our (SOHO) crosscut just isn’t quite sufficient, it means that someone would have to scan a semi full of shredded paper to find our 100 or so… Also, we put the household shredded paper into the “PAPER” skip at the recycling center.

    I’m really shocked that a lawyer or real-estate guy doesn’t have a burn service; the second high-tech company I worked for (back in the 80s) had a burn service through our bank. They’d roll by once a week and take our shredded paper to be incinerated (there were like 5 companies in our building who all subscribed). They’d call up, we’d all haul our bins down the freight elevator and dump them off the loading dock into the truck.

  90. 90.

    Roger Moore

    May 30, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    @Leto:
    This whole topic reminds me of one of my grandfather’s WWII war stories. He was the intelligence officer for an artillery battalion. His job wasn’t as busy as the intel officer in an infantry outfit would have been, since they tried to stay out of contact with the enemy, but he was in charge of distributing and collecting maps from the firing batteries and forward observers. And they wound up with lots of maps, not just for all the places they had been but also for all the places they might have gone to but didn’t.

    Of course, maps were classified documents, so he couldn’t just throw them away. When they left somewhere, he had to collect the maps and store them. By the time they had gone all the way from Normandy to the German border, he had a 2 1/2 ton truck and trailer full of nothing but maps. When the army decided their logistical (and road space) requirements were too big, he had to give up his truck, which meant getting rid of his old maps.

    He tried turning them back in to higher up headquarters, but they didn’t want them; they had to get rid of trucks themselves, so they didn’t have any space, either. So how do you get rid of 6 tons of classified documents? As you pointed out, you can’t just burn them, even if lighting a bonfire that size wouldn’t have attracted unwanted enemy attention. He wound up burying them, on the theory they wouldn’t be valuable anymore by the time anyone had a chance to dig them up.

  91. 91.

    Mnemosyne

    May 30, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    @Leto:

    If you soak the bad report card with WD-40 before you light it, it turns to ash so fast that you don’t have a chance to stir it.

    Not that I would know, Mom. ?

  92. 92.

    Planetpundit

    May 30, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    Give Sweet Lily a collective hug from the Jackal Posse and everyone gets a treat.

  93. 93.

    Chip Daniels

    May 30, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    Instead of Mike Pence, we need to send Steve to the border wall of North Korea to stare them down.

  94. 94.

    J R in WV

    May 30, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    @Immanentize:

    There are so many failure modes on a hard-drive that do NOT involve a loss of data. Obviously, the more work needed to recover, the more cost, but even a lot of work shouldn’t cost more than a 3 digit amount of money.

  95. 95.

    Geeno

    May 30, 2018 at 6:17 pm

    OMFG Lily doggo – I’m dying from her cuteness.
    She would melt Kim Jong-un in a summit.

  96. 96.

    J R in WV

    May 30, 2018 at 6:23 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    ” If it’s just the motor or the electronics that went bad, they can remount the platters in a different drive case and get the data off that way.”

    Yes. I had an external hard-drive that failed. I gave it to a friend (now retired) who found that it was the USB connection that failed. He installed the actual hard-drive into a new case, with its own USB connectivity, and I still have that drive, backing things up. Years ago, that repair was.

    Obviously this won’t be the failure mode for Immanentize’s drive, but a similar problem could be the issue.

  97. 97.

    Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)

    May 30, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    @J R in WV:

    It could be the electronics, motor, or other issues with the drive itself, or it could be a SATA controller issue on the motherboard, a power supply problem, loose cable, etc.

    You really don’t know until you start troubleshooting.

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