This happened in my small town about a mile away (since it was after midnight, I of course slept right through it):
This will probably be one of the rawest posts I’ll write. It’s not for glory or any of that shit. I debated posting anything but, in doing so, my hope is that it serves as a swift kick in the ass to a lot of cops.
Early this morning I found myself in a full-out fight with a 5’11, 195lb collegiate male athlete who was gooned up on an unknown drug (I’m assuming some sort of dissociative anesthetic). It was me and him for about five minutes. During said altercation, my glasses were shattered and knocked off my face, none of my radio transmissions got out, and a ton of equipment was stripped from my vest and duty belt. I managed to stay in the fight and maintain some control despite exchanging punches and knees with the subject. I secured one of the subject’s hands in cuffs and maintained that grip throughout the majority of the fight. I also released my K9 partner and she did exactly what she trains to do; however, all the K9 bites, punches, knees, and baton strikes did not deter this guy. He wasn’t there. The drug had consumed every part of him. After about 5 minutes of fighting, my partners finally found us (due to lack of comms) and, after several more minutes of fighting, we were able to secure him in cuffs ending the fight.
While fighting with this guy, he reached for my duty weapon. Given the circumstances (full details are not being disclosed in this post), deadly force was warranted and it was probably getting close to my last resort. Thankfully, it did not reach that point … I think the majority of the credit goes to my training outside of work. I’ve been beat to hell and back in training so I knew how to react and fight through being repeatedly being struck in the face and head. I didn’t freak out … I knew I was okay and still in the fight. This post isn’t to be all bravado … I got my ass kicked this morning (there’s no doubt about it), but I also gave it right back. Another huge reason it ended the way it did was due to my partners (all 3 of them). My guys found me and my K9 engaged. If it wasn’t for them intervening when they did the outcome probably would have been much worse. I am so thankful for them! They are literally the best partners I could ask for.
A young man is alive today because of her training, toughness, and desire to use deadly force as a last resort.
Lee
Typo:
edit: Never mind…I got it. Not enough caffeine.
randy khan
@Lee:
I think the original is right – the assailant was male and the officer was female – look at the first photo.
Steve in the STL
Emphasis added. Male cop likely would have killed the dude.
trollhattan
Holy mother of god.
A city cop I know, recently retired, told me the closest he came to using his service weapon during his career was at a traffic stop. He was talking to the driver through the side window when said driver reached for something on the seat–a pistol. Cop draws his weapon as the passenger yells “What are you doing MAN?!?” at the driver.
He told me the only reason he didn’t fire was because he was afraid the round would pass through the driver and hit the passenger. In the meantime the guy put the pistol down and is arrested. The pistol turned out to be a novelty lighter.
rikyrah
DAMN!!
Hope she makes a full recovery.
As for the perp- attempted murder for him.
BGinCHI
Wow. Amazing poise and grace under pressure.
They should immediately hire her to train others, especially macho shitheads.
rp
I know I’m a horrible person, but my first thought was “hey, she’s really cute!”
(I mean, cute in a “she could totally kick my ass” kind of way)
Steve in the STL
@rp: rp has a female domination fetish. Dossier updated.
FlyingToaster
Bravo to this young cop!
States need to standardize their training; Massachusetts has reduced the number of killings by cop (I can’t speak to beatings) to a very low level, because every cop in the state goes to the same police academy, before going on to additional training specified by the force that they’re joining. They ALL get taught tactics for avoiding deadly force, so the only guys who get shot are the ones who are shooting already or trying to kill the cops with a machete.
I’d like to put this young woman in charge of screening for “I wanna be a dick-swinging asshole with a badge”, because I suspect she recognizes precisely who the problem guys are.
Edited to correct gender.
hells littlest angel
She’s what every cop should be, and which not enough are.
geg6
@BGinCHI:
THIS!
rp
@Steve in the STL: I don’t like putting a label on it.
Mnemosyne
And yet, just about everywhere I’ve seen this story run, the majority of comments heavily criticize her for not shooting the guy and call her an idiot and a bad cop. ?
BGinCHI
@hells littlest angel: Instead of that cop training where they go through a make-believe city and either shoot or don’t shoot pop-up targets, they (male cops) should have to go into a bar full of women. If they can’t act like a good person and mind their own business, then they should be fired.
OK, they can do karaoke. But that’s it.
BGinCHI
@Mnemosyne: Hard to guess the political affiliation of those commenters.
Cermet
She saved two lives at least; amazing and certainly a hero in both her amazing cool and ability to handle an insane situation. A shinning example of extreme professionalism under the most extreme conditions.
gvg
@trollhattan: i kind of think this kind of novelty should be illegal and I am trending towards banning toy guns. it that guy had been shot, his family should have been able to successfully sue the manufacturer and the seller.
Brachiator
A bit intense for this early in the morning (here in Southern California). Glad that things turned out (relatively) well, and wish the best for the cop.
Brickley Paiste
Nobody should be required to endure a beating as part of their job.
skater314159
This is what police are trained/supposed to do!
I was at a University police dept for a while. I had an LT who always said that if you have to use your duty weapon, the system has failed. It is a last resort and deadly force can never be undone. He impressed on us that we should use our training to de-escalate and try to handle the situation in every other possible way first. The ease with which so many police today pull their service weapons both angers and frightens me. The mission is to serve and protect, and that unfortunately includes everyone – even the assholes and people committing crimes.
My own opinion – What this sounds like to me is Sherm – or PCP. I say this because I had an encounter with an individual on that when I was on patrol one night.
I was at the drive thru of a restaurant on the edge of campus getting my dinner. The cashier suddenly yelled “oh fuck!” and closed the drive thru window and barricaded it (this is a ghetto adjacent campus so this happens). I immediately rolled up my window and began looking around for what was about to happen. Suddenly I heard a loud male voice yelling and all I can register is that this person is using the n-word waaayyyy too much. The individual then jumps onto the back of my police car and while yelling about people like me coming into his neighborhood, while bouncing on the trunk, he proceeded to kick the back window out of my car. I called for help and was worried what was going to happen next. It took 3 or 4 men over 6 foot tall and 200 lbs each (think of walls of muscle) to subdue the guy and get him cuffed.
We learned that he had done PCP and the ranting is because he thought he was a white guy (he was not) who lived in the really rich part of the city (he did not) and hated n-word people coming into his neighborhood. Also he was naked, and apparently that is common among people who do PCP and then go on rampages.
I think she deserves commendation for doing so well under such bad circumstances. The people who criticise her for not shooting the dude/being a bad cop are just talking out their asses and have nfc what she went thru.
BGinCHI
@Brickley Paiste: Trump communications staff?
Steve in the STL
@BGinCHI: boxer?
? Martin
@Steve in the STL: Yeah, that’s my sense as well. We need more cops like her.
@Brickley Paiste: Agreed, however she’ll recover. A lot of shooting victims never do.
BGinCHI
@Steve in the STL: Let’s keep the dogs out of it, dude.
ruemara
She’s a good officer who understands that deadly force is a last resort. So of course comments from armchair military & LEO will think she’s doing it rong. Maybe we need to keep men in corrals until they prove they understand deadly force isn’t the first thing you do because you’re scared to take a punch. I hope her & her dog heal up quickly.
Brickley Paiste
@BGinCHI:
All rules have exceptions…
rikyrah
Former Congressman Ron Dellums has passed away.
RIP, and thank you so much for your service.
He was instrumental in getting the sanctions against apartheid South Africa put in place.
Brickley Paiste
@ruemara:
Yes men in corrals, excellent idea
Perhaps, one day, our society will come up with a way to stigmatize and imprison people based on physical characteristics as you wish. True progress!
Adam L Silverman
@ruemara: Yep. Those knuckleheads will default to: “she put her own life and that of her fellow officers at risk by refusing to escalate up to deadly force”.
MisterForkbeard
@ruemara: Well, actual military might disagree. I’m not military, but I do have some cousins who were.
We train our soldiers to kill. We train our LEOs to protect, and that’s a huge difference. Cops can and should emulate this woman, but former or current military probably think she’s nuts because they were trained for a completely different job. The problem is that LEOs and military think they’re similar, when they’re not.
randy khan
@Lee:
Hey, it happens to all of us.
ruemara
@Brickley Paiste: There has got to be a rusty chainsaw for you to go fuck yourself with.
@MisterForkbeard: Dear. Reread what I wrote before you explain it to me. Keyword: “armchair”.
MisterForkbeard
@ruemara: D’oh. Yeah, missed that. Thanks!
Also, was intended less as an explanation for you and more like… I don’t know, an elaboration or discussion topic? Anyway – we’re not in disagreement.
Major Major Major Major
Well that’s a fun thing to see above the fold before 9am. Blech.
Good for her not killing that guy though.
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: Isn’t this especially dumb, because the job of the police is to put their lives at risk to protect the public?
Nevermind, I can already see myself getting in ‘discussions’ with idiots on Reddit about this, and I don’t even want to think about it. :P
LAO
I think I know why Manafort worked for the Trump Campaign for no money:
? Martin
@LAO: Doesn’t matter. Rudy has moved us onto the ‘collusion isn’t a crime’ stage of this production. I think the only thing left is ‘yes he broke the law, but her emails!’.
Adam L Silverman
@MisterForkbeard: Actually the Supreme Court ruled years ago that law enforcement officers do not have a constitutional duty to protect. (emphasis below is mine)
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: He worked for the campaign for free because that’s what Derispaska wanted as conveyed by his GRU handler Kilimnik, because that is what Putin expected of him.
Adam L Silverman
@? Martin: Collusion is not a crime in regard to what happened in the 2016 election. The crime is Conspiracy to Defraud the United States. Moreover, he’s placed Gates at the planning meeting. Gates has been cooperating with Mueller for months. As I have said repeatedly: Mueller knows everything. And these people can’t shut up and stop further incriminating themselves.
J R in WV
Proud of this small town officer, probably a Deputy Sheriff, for doing a good job, and of her partners who came for her quickly. Glad she had a K9 to help out!
Hey, can we get an indictment today? Or a plea!!??
MisterForkbeard
@Adam L Silverman: Most of what I have to say about this can be summed up as “Fuck Scalia”. And the rest of the idiots that voted concurred.
I guess the idea here is that you can’t sue the police for unsuccessfully protecting you, even if they tried? They’re still supposed to *try*, though. >_<
Shana
@ruemara: On a somewhat related note, we watched Nanette last night on Netflix (highly recommended BTW). The comic has something of a rant near the end where she says basically that if SWM have such a problem with difference whether racial or sexual they should live as an other and deal with the shit they endure learning to bend and not break and learn what real strength is.
Timurid
@MisterForkbeard:
Too many police departments have fallen into the classic military trap of “force protection is our first mission.”
Mike H
My first reaction was ‘That dude has to be white.’
Yutsano
@MisterForkbeard: <blockquote, I can already see myself getting in ‘discussions’ with idiots on Reddit about this
I think I already see your problem…
Amir Khalid
@MisterForkbeard:
It probably doesn’t help, does it, that some cops blur the line by being military reservists, which makes it all the more likely for them to bring a warrior “kill or be killed” mentality to police work, with sometimes-tragic results. Maybe American policemen shoudn’t be encouraged to join the reserves.
rikyrah
Mnuchin eyes economic break for politically important Russian company
07/30/18 11:30 AM
By Steve Benen
Just three months ago, the Trump administration agreed to significant sanctions against Russia over its “malign activities,” and among those targeted was billionaire Oleg Deripaska and Rusal, the aluminum company he runs. Two weeks ago, however, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the administration may be willing to back off.
It wasn’t idle speculation. Late last week, as Reuters reported, Mnuchin went a little further, signaling plans to “remove the world’s second biggest aluminum producer from a U.S. sanctions list.”
The political context is a complicating factor – because if you watch The Rachel Maddow Show, you know Deripaska isn’t just some random figure in Russia.
On the contrary, as Mother Jones’ report noted, Deripaska, a close ally to Russian President Vladimir Putin, has been “implicated in suspected coordination between Moscow and Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.”
The Dangerman
@? Martin:
I detected a shift over the weekend while listening to FOX; it’s now “yes he broke the law, but the economy”.
Is this Officer 35? She’d make a better President than the one we have now (true, the list of sentient beings that wouldn’t be a better President than the one we have now is seriously short).
MisterForkbeard
@Yutsano: The problem is that Trumpkins keep invading the rest of my subreddits. I spent a fair amount of time on /r/games, /r/starcitizen, /r/legostarwars, etc. and I used to participate in /r/news and /r/politicaldiscussion. Since the election, I cut those mostly out because it’s hard to deal with the sheer amount of stupidity and racism in those. I get the feeling a lot of liberals did something similar, but now these idiots feel like they need to bring Trump and pwning libs into everywhere else.
So occasionally I have to put down some supreme idiocy about Trump, or how Hillary is a scam artist, or how cops should really be killing minor offenders when I really want to talk about pretend space ships. :P
@Amir Khalid: I agree. This is a major issue, especially as the military has spent a lot of time sending excess/used/spare military equipment to the cops. Give someone a toy and they’ll use it… and train someone to shoot, and they’ll shoot.
The Dangerman
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m not sure which meeting you are referencing here; seems to me one of the biggest smoking guns is Romney lost out the SOS job to Tillerson. That just screams Russia.
ETA: Pardon my first cup of coffee question, but if Trump shits the Government down end of Sept, does that delay the election? Elections are State run, I get it, but there is Federal oversight, no?
rikyrah
Despite recent progress, Republicans press Mueller to ‘wrap it up’
07/30/18 10:00 AM—UPDATED 07/30/18 10:11 AM
By Steve Benen
On NBC News’ “Meet the Press” yesterday, host Chuck Todd noted the dispute between Donald Trump and Michael Cohen, and asked Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) whether this is a potential area of scrutiny for the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Ohio Republican’s answer included a rather dramatic change of subject.
The wording echoed a sentiment from Vice President Mike Pence in May, when he said, . “In the interests of the country, I think it’s time to wrap it up.” A month later, House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) was a little more colorful on this point, sending a message to Mueller during a committee debate: “Whatever you got, finish it the hell up.”
None of these Republicans went into any detail explaining why, exactly, Special Counsel Robert Mueller ought to “wrap it up,” which is a shame because their appeals don’t appear to make a lot of sense.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: Since Trump didn’t personally hack into the DNC accounts, it wasn’t a crime anyway, according to mr. 9/11.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I am glad it turned out, but having meet people who do PCP (as in dumb ass white guys who thought being drug out of their idiot gord made them awesome),, it wouldn’t have been a great lose to society if the officer had decided it was time for deadly force.
Frat Boi looking to party and let his inner a-hole out an’t the same as driving while black.
Ruckus
@MisterForkbeard:
Then somethings changed in the military in the last 45 yrs.
And I have an acquaintance in the NG who is now in Jordan with the army and as the only vet at work we have discussed his training. He was not trained to shoot in all situations, he is trained in responding to deadly force with deadly force. His equipment and his numbers generally work in his favor, not the use of deadly force in all instances.
MisterForkbeard
@rikyrah: This kind of argumentation is pretty astounding when you think about it – it doesn’t even make sense on its face: “We know that the President and his employees did a lot of incredibly questionable things and several committed crimes. I support the investigation, and therefore it needs to end immediately.”
Gin & Tonic
@Adam L Silverman: He may have not taken a direct salary from the campaign, but I don’t like this “worked for free” usage. Manafort doesn’t get out of bed in the morning unless there’s money in it. Well, maybe now in his new quarters it’s different.
Brachiator
@rikyrah:
Wait a minute. Is this an example of Trump being “tougher on Russia” than anyone?
ruemara
@Adam L Silverman: Eek. Wow. I think that’s pretty wrongly decided.
@Shana: Yeah, that really pissed off the incredibly fragile white male I was watching it with. Must be hard, being made out of egg shells and spun glass. Thank goodness I’m just a black woman.
@LAO: Cripes. Man. I need to dispose of ethics because ethics don’t pay that well.
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@The Dangerman: I’m sure you meant “shuts down”, as we’d all agree he has “shit down” the government for 18 months.
There have been previous Republican shutdowns. Elections still happened on schedule the following November. There wouldn’t be federal oversight such as an FEC during a shutdown, but the Republicans have hollowed our the FEC anyway.
satby
@ruemara: exactly. My father always was reluctant to draw his weapon; he told me not just because he didn’t want to kill anyone, but because it always made a bad situation worse. When he was in the police academy in the 1950s they were trained that deadly force was the last alternative. I think he’d be as appalled as we are by the militarized police of today.
rikyrah
@The Dangerman:
Yep.
Dolt45 had NEVER met Tillerson before he appointed him SOS.
Uh huh
Uh huh
joel hanes
somethings changed in the military in the last 45 yrs
Should have been apparent by Abu Ghraib at the latest.
The Army I was in mandated yearly explicit training for adherence to the Geneva Convention, and prisoner abuse was Right Out, an illegal order.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
yes…..
YES….
Ruckus
@The Dangerman:
I’m not so sure about that.
That they all might be as bad as this one, we sort of agree. On would they be minimally successful, IOW much if any better but mostly just differently bad? That’s a different and much larger number of applicants who also might think they could do the job in a heartbeat, and be just as wrong.
Of course if the shitgibbon is the bar for possible candidates then yes, most any actual human could do a better job. His family, friends, current and past members of his maladministration, lawyers, any employees of his or family who stayed more than six months, anyone who wears a maga hat, anyone who still supports him, and others to be named to the list, they are not qualified.
The Dangerman
@Ceci n est pas mon nym:
Well, he’s already said we had “Fake Election Results” to go with the “Fake News”; without the FEC, he could say “invalid” election or some such nonsense if the Wave hits.
Yeah, interesting typo on Shits/Shuts. I have Cup #2 in my hand this time.
Another Scott
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Bill McBride at Calculated Risk used to make the point that the GOP was burned by the shutdown during an election year under Clinton, so they would never do another one in an election year again.
I haven’t yet noticed him make that point this time…
McConnell has said that there will not be a government shut-down.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
rikyrah
@LAO:
uh huh
uh huh
Yet….he owed some Russian Oligarch HOW MANY MILLIONS?
Ruckus
@Gin & Tonic:
Someone has to stamp out those federal license plates. I understand they get something like a nickel a plate. That could be a high estimate. Would 3 dollars a day get his ass out of bed?
The Moar You Know
Frankly, the second the guy made the grab for the gun, I’d have shot him. I wouldn’t have thought twice about it (speaking as someone who went toe-to-toe with a roid raged idiot who was trying, no other words, to rape a friend of mine and I almost got my ass killed in the process).
She is all kinds of awesome but she’d better be ready for some questions as to how she handled this.
Julia Grey
@rikyrah:
*Treasury Secretary Steve Mnunchin told reporters during G-20 meeting of Finance Ministers last week, that the department may remove sanctions on Rusal, an international aluminum company that controls an estimated 6 percent of the global market that has long been controlled by Oleg Deripaska.*
I’m sorry, this is just fking OUTRAGEOUS. Why isn’t there more screaming about this??
Steve in the STL
@ruemara:
Yes. The giveaway is this language: “opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia”
Roger Moore
@LAO:
My gut feeling is that this is wrong, but not in a way that matters from a criminal justice standpoint. Manafort may have been paid $60+ million, but a big chunk of that money was really for business expenses. His problem is that his business isn’t legal, so the simplest approach for him is to lie about his income rather than to try to justify writing off his expenses on his taxes. The net result is that he’s deep in debt and in trouble for unpaid taxes on his massive income.
piratedan
@rikyrah: they’re right, he should wrap it up…
so indictments for….
McConnell
Ryan
Scalise
Nunes
Rorhbacher
Preibus
Lewandowski
Manafort
Sessions
Pence
Trump (Eric, Jr, Dad, Ivanka)
DeVos
Kushner
Mnuchin
Gates
Bannon
Flynn
Prince
Pruitt
should be forthcoming and we can start discussing what President Hatch believes should be done next.
JPL
@Another Scott: It wasn’t an election year, but they did shut down the government under Obama, just because they could.
Mnemosyne
@The Moar You Know:
So if the guy already tried to grab her strapped-down gun, it would have been totally safe for her to pull it at close quarters because he surely wouldn’t have tried to grab it out of her hand where it was much more accessible?
Aleta
She also stands out for being so tough and committed to her message that she can write about coming close to defeat, with pictures. The other kind won’t risk that level of honesty. Another kind is so compulsive about looking tough on the internet they’d rather attack her again than hear her point: she trained enough to stay in control until backup arrived.
Roger Moore
@? Martin:
No. The final stage will be “collusion is awesome, and the Democrats are just upset they didn’t manage to do it”.
Ruckus
@satby:
I believe today the line is that it’s taken a lot of money to train you and having you killed is a waste of all that money. So shoot first and save money.
I’m not actually kidding all than much. I believe a lot of this stems from a bank robbery, now a few decades ago in LA where the robbers had a lot of weaponry and body armor. The cops had 6 shot .38 revolvers and shotguns with no body armor. It didn’t go well for the cops. They have been “gearing up” ever since. Including military tactics for when actually in a fire fight rather than trying to deescalate situations like this woman did. BTW Rodney King was a situation where the cops did exactly what this woman did, right up to the time he stopped fighting, at which point they then beat the ever loving fuck out of him. How many of you know there was another gentleman in Rodney’s car who was arrested peacefully by one woman cop?
This woman and her fellow cops did their job properly. She will be off work for a bit, recovering, the subject will most likely spend time in jail for assault and possibly drug charges, possibly in a hospital bed for a while, which is preferable to a coffin, even for a moron like him.
LAO
@Roger Moore: I agree with you — the tweet could have been better worded. I’m agog, though.
Adam L Silverman
@MisterForkbeard: They have no obligation to even try. Combine that with the Law Enforcement Officers’ Bill of Rights that have been adopted in a lot of states and being a police officer basically places one completely outside of the law and all liability – civil, criminal, and/or administrative.
Steve in the STL
This is becoming a magazine/clip public discussion. It’s true that collusion isn’t a crime, but it’s also true that conspiracy is a crime. The RWNJs are the ones using the term”collusion” and we have gotten drawn into that, just like with “pro-life” to mean “anti-abortion” instead of, you know, pro-life.
The RW media whizzes are going to claim moved goal posts or something when indictments for conspiracy are handed down.
Adam L Silverman
@Amir Khalid:
In many parts of the country it is the only way they can afford to be cops. Joining the Reserves or the Guard, in addition to working as much overtime as possible, is the only way they can live even remotely close to the jurisdictions that employ them.
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: Deripaska is who runs Manafort on behalf of Putin.
TenguPhule
@BGinCHI:
What happens if they sing “My Way”?
Ruckus
I have a question for y’all.
How many of you have been in a situation where you were a person of authority, like a cop and had to deal with a person who was doing something he/she shouldn’t have been?
I’ve been in a couple while in the Shore Patrol. No body armor, a nightstick and whatever wits you might possess. Neither of those ended in anyone getting hurt in any way, partially because I didn’t want to hurt them but also because defusing the situation wasn’t taken out of the equation by either of us. One of those the other side did want to escalate but realized that he wouldn’t fare well because of the situation, not necessarily me. The other time alcohol was involved but I seriously doubt drugs were involved either time. PCP/angel dust, this stuff is nasty, unpredictable and from what I understand not even a good high but can it release your inner asshole or what.
rikyrah
Jim Jordan, Team Player
He denies that his Ohio State colleagues knew about sexual abuse. The evidence says they did.
By WILLIAM SALETAN
You can’t accuse Jim Jordan of modesty. Last week, in defiance of the legal and political storm gathering around him, the Ohio congressman announced that he’s running for speaker of the House. Jordan and several other Republicans also filed articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Jordan says Rosenstein is covering up a conspiracy in the FBI and the Department of Justice to frame President Donald Trump for colluding with Russia. His accusation is fraudulent, and it’s richly ironic: Jordan—one of the most sanctimonious ideologues in Congress—is wading ever deeper into a cover-up of his own.
Jordan’s story centers on Ohio State University, where he worked as the assistant wrestling coach in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Former students say that during those years, OSU coaches and administrators ignored reports of sexual abuse and harassment by the wrestling team’s doctor and other faculty members. For weeks, Jordan has denied that he knew about inappropriate sexual behavior of any kind. That contradicts statements from former students who say he was directly informed. But now Jordan is going further. He’s denying not just that he knew about abuse, but also that other coaches or administrators did.
…………………………
Jordan concedes nothing. He brushes off his accusers as pawns in a political plot. The “lies” against him are “sequenced and choreographed” by “the left,” Jordan told Fox News, ignoring several accusers who have said they supported and contributed to his campaigns. In fact, Jordan takes pride in being targeted. “I view it as a compliment,” he told WMAL.
Maybe Jordan thinks he can brazen it out because Trump did. Trump, facing credible abuse accusations from multiple women, attacked them all as liars and got elected. But scorched-earth denials didn’t work for Roy Moore, Bill Cosby, or Harvey Weinstein. At Penn State and Michigan State, and in the Catholic Church, the wall of lies eventually collapsed. The wall will collapse at Ohio State, too. And Jordan will be under it.
jimmiraybob
@Mnemosyne:
And they all assume that in unholstering her weapon that she would be the one to maintain control of the weapon. Doesn’t sound to me as if that would have been a safe bet.
TenguPhule
@? Martin:
“How many divisions does your court’s judge command?”
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
This feature seems to be a bug,
The Dangerman
Fun little story about a formerly missing (now found) python.
MisterForkbeard
@rikyrah: I mean, what this all comes down to is that Dems don’t want to be represented by sexual assaulters, or someone who enables that shit. Republicans are perfectly fine with it and are unwilling to punish their own members. Dems don’t like it, and will vote out or demand change in their politicians.
Hell, Roy Moore still nearly won despite being an obvious pedophile with multiple corroborated accounts.
Adam L Silverman
@The Dangerman: Let me take this in order: Giuliana stated on CNN this morning that there was a 7 JUL 2016 planning meeting in advance of the 9 JUL 2016 with Ms. Veslenitskiya and her GRU and SRV handlers. This indicates that the campaign didn’t just wing it, which was a previous explanation for why the President wouldn’t have been notified, nor that it wasn’t very considered very important. Additionally, later that day was when the President made an announcement at an impromptu press conference that he’d be holding a press conference at the beginning of the following week where he’d have all sorts of important information about HRC to share with the news media and the American people. That meeting never happened, but I think that Josh Marshall is correct in his assessment that Trump called that impromptu press conference to tease releasing all the dirt on Clinton because he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut about what the Russians had dangled.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rudys-big-admission
As to your question regarding the elections: the elections are run by the states and administered county by county within the states. If the Federal government shuts down on 1 OCT 2018 and stays shut down all the way through election day, I do not think that will prevent the elections from happening. It may effect Republican efforts to get elected/reelected, but that is a different story.
The Dangerman
@Adam L Silverman:
Oh, that is new ,,, and pretty damning. Rudy is an odd duck these days.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
What could possibly go wrong? //
Ruckus
@joel hanes:
May I refer you to Mỹ Lai?
Just because the military officially said one thing doesn’t mean people always do what they are supposed to do or that the military wasn’t lying. The military said that Agent Orange caused no heath problems. It’s taken decades for the government to acknowledge that many servicemen have suffered from this poisoning and treat them accordingly.
TenguPhule
@The Dangerman:
Is it still considered a duck when it quacks like an asshole?
dnfree
@The Dangerman: Rudy has been an odd duck for a very long time, even before 9/11 made him a “hero”.
rikyrah
I’ll say it again – Kelly Ain’t Shyt.
Trump’s daily agenda shaped by what he’s seen on television
07/30/18 12:30 PM
By Steve Benen
……………
Politico published an interesting report overnight on the rise and fall of White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, who was brought in to instill a sense of discipline in the president’s operation, but who gradually found himself marginalized by a boss who didn’t care for the constraints. The article included this unsurprising gem:
dnfree
We can tell from what she’s written here that there is more to the story. The presence of the K=9 dog probably made a difference in her reaction, such that she tried releasing the dog before shooting. If there hadn’t been a dog, she might have shot sooner.
Scary to read about and to see the condition she’s in, and I hope she recovers physically and mentally. Medical professionals have to deal with people like this also.
rikyrah
When these people noticed a mama duck freaking out, they realized all of her babies were trapped in a sewer. So they all worked together to reunite the family ?? pic.twitter.com/Jt3lFgw8Qg
— The Dodo (@dodo) July 28, 2018
Roger Moore
@LAO:
Within its own context, the tweet is accurate. They’re reporting the prosecutors’ allegations, and it’s accurate that Mueller’s team is claiming Manafort earned over $60 million. It’s up to Manafort to contest that and AFAIK he hasn’t yet. Also, what I said is hard to fit nicely into a tweet.
Starfish
@MisterForkbeard: There was a case in New York. I think the transit police were there watching him get stabbed.
rikyrah
Anyone think a drug kingpin defendant should get to pick his own Judge after determining who among his choices doesn’t think drug kingpins can be prosecuted? Trump can’t either. https://t.co/TX47KSwrWf
— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) July 30, 2018
LAO
hehehehehe:
ETA: Fucking Andrew Weissman
Ruckus
@dnfree:
9/11 didn’t make him a hero, he got Rudy 9/11 repeated often enough by putting himself in front of the cameras that it just stuck. Can you remember anything he did which was in any way heroic or out of the ordinary for a mayor? Me neither.
dnfree
@Ruckus: He thought the mayoral election should be postponed after 9/11 so that the indispensable Guiliani could remain mayor. That was pretty heroic, right?
He managed to escape much-deserved blame for the location of the emergency operations center right in the area of the Twin Towers, which had already been attacked in 1993.
Tokyokie
@JPL: And, by the same logic, buying stereo equipment that fell off the back of a truck in a shopping-center parking lot isn’t a crime because the buyer didn’t personally hijack the truck from which it fell.
Shana
@Adam L Silverman: I think you’re right. Also, it would be considered an “essential service” – I would hope – and therefore the money and personnel would be funded even though it’s states’ responsibilities not Feds’.
Mnemosyne
@Tokyokie:
Pfft. Everyone knows that receiving stolen goods isn’t a real crime like having a private email server. What are you, some kind of communist?
Ruckus
@dnfree:
So my me neither still stands?
Yeah rudy is of a kind with the shitgibbon. Whatever gets him ahead, bad press is better than no press. Bad press he can always complain about, and get more press. People remember reading about the subject, they often forget the details, such as they are usually poorly presented in any event. shitgibbon may be an outlier here, he’s so bad that the only people not to remember the details are his fans. rudy is just a washed up nobody that used to be just a bad photo op.
LAO
Well, I’m sure this is a good idea — rudy probably thought of it:
The Ancient Randonneur
@LAO:
Whoa.
When this is all over any chance Rudy gets disbarred?
Ruckus
@LAO:
Has there ever been another clusterfuck of such epic proportions?
Can they find any more completely clueless people than already signed on?
Are they fucking insane?
OK out of rhetorical questions for now.
LAO
@The Ancient Randonneur: Zero chance, I suspect. But, I’d be shocked if a white shoe firm would “hire” him after all this. His days of doing nothing and making big money are gone. And, that’s certainly something.
TenguPhule
@Ruckus:
Yes.
Gravenstone
@The Moar You Know:
Until or unless you know exactly what her department guidelines regarding deadly force are, and how she did or did not adhere to them, your statement is pure Monday morning quarterback bullshit.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
“The Pope!? How many divisions does the Pope got?”
-Stalin
That’s a paraphrase of Stalin, isn’t?
Mike in NC
@LAO: Another tasker for Jared. How can he possibly broker peace in the Middle East with so many assignments?
chopper
@LAO:
it’ll be titled NO COLUSION and make numerous mentions of the ‘special council’.
Immanentize
@LAO:
Well, this proves Giuliani is not completely wrong about everything. Weissman is indeed a complete scoundrel….
TenguPhule
Soybean farmers are surviving Trump’s trade war — even without his $12 billion aid package
Next year is when the pain comes. And its gonna come hard. But don’t count on farmers turning on Trump and his enablers this year.
LAO
@Immanentize: LOL. Last night at the meet up I told an Andrew Weissmann story that included the FBI knocking on my door in the middle of the night. Good times!
Roger Moore
@Ruckus:
Just remember– all of the people Trump has right now are the best he’s been able to find and keep. If he replaces Giuliani, it’s likely to be with somebody worse, or at least somebody Trump himself perceives as worse. I’m not sure how that would be possible, but I’m intrigued by the possibility we might find out some day.
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: A Today in Rudys Giuliani post is up. The Institute for the Study of Infinite Rudys Giuliani Institute for the Study of Infinite Rudys Giuliani Institute thanks you for your support!
Gravenstone
@LAO: Fifty pages of “No Collusion” scrawled in crayon may not have the sort of effect he’s hoping for.
J R in WV
@Ruckus:
They manufactured Agent Orange just across a railroad spur and two chain link fences from the old previously abandoned office building I worked in from 1991 til 2003 or so.
There is contamination from buried old barrels of methyl-death all over that countryside from those chemical plants, who also manufactured “stuff” for the DOD from before WW II.
Don’t drink the water, don’t swim in the river, don’t even catch the fish!
Adam L Silverman
@Gin & Tonic: Exactly. Though I’m sure if he’s being paid not to cooperate, the Fin-CEN folks working for Special Counsel Mueller are aware of it.
TenguPhule
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Yep.
Republicans have gone all in on the kool aid. Its why I’m so pessimistic about all this all the time. There is no scenario that ends well for them if they do the right thing.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@chopper:
I imagine the “special council” is like one of the supar sekret ebil villain groups like the “Legion of Doom” that’s trying to destroy Donaldo and his goody-goody swamp-draining Superfriends buddies.
Mandalay
@Ruckus:
I can’t think of anything heroic, but this comes to mind as “out of the ordinary for a mayor”: Giuliani trying to suspend NYC’s term limits law, even though Giuliani firmly supported term limits.
His justification?….
Back then, while Trump was still groping his teenage daughter, Giuliani had already become an opportunistic legend in his own mind.
TenguPhule
@Roger Moore:
Actually, given the current rate of turnover, these are the people replacing the people who replaced those people.
MisterForkbeard
@Starfish: I read that one as “the cops didn’t know the guy was dangerous until after he’d already stabbed the other guy”, but I’m not sure.
@LAO: It’s basically going to say “Democrats are awful and Mueller is a Democrat, so therefore I win and lock Hillary up.”
More seriously, it will probably refer to a bunch of debunked propaganda like Uranium One, the fact that Chris Steele talked to sources in Russia, and to things that don’t actually matter (like Strzok not personally liking Trump).
efgoldman
@J R in WV:
Is Monday indictment day? I Lose track
TenguPhule
Is Rudy on drugs? I can’t tell the difference anymore.
TenguPhule
@efgoldman:
Friday.
Monday is Shitgibbon’s day to fling poo at us all and rage tweet.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@TenguPhule:
A year or so ago I commented here wondering if the Executive Office of the Presidency would organizationally collapse due to the high turnover and dysfunction emanating from Trump. I’m sad to see that day hasn’t come yet.
Roger Moore
@TenguPhule:
That’s where the “and keep” part fits in. But yes, he’s on the third or fourth string of people who would consent to work for him, which already severely limited his choices. The key point- that whoever replaces Giuliani will somehow manage to be worse- still stands. Of course, this also applies to his cabinet and staff.
efgoldman
@The Dangerman:
No.
And if you think Granny Starver and McTurtle are going to allow a shutdown in the fall of an election year where they’re already looking at a wipeout…. just, no.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@efgoldman:
I may be showing my ignorance but does any continuing resolution require a signature from Trump? I imagine Congress would override any possible veto.
Amir Khalid
@Adam L Silverman:
@TenguPhule:
This once, I agree with TenguPhule.
Fair Economist
@Steve in the STL: “Collusion” is an informal term which can refer to legal or illegal activities. Trump’s collusion includes at least campaign contribution laundering, espionage, and bribery, all felonies. Very much the illegal sort.
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: I give it 50/50 that once they do the formal review she’s terminated for 1) losing control of her duty sidearm and 2) placing herself and the other officers at risk by refusing to escalate to deadly force.
Amir Khalid
@Adam L Silverman:
I am so dismayed by this stupidity that I do not have enough palms to put on my face. So whose bright idea was it to absolve a class of public servants, authorised to use lethal force, of legal responsibility for their actions?
Adam L Silverman
@Amir Khalid: Police unions and the politicians that cater to them in exchange for endorsements.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Wasn’t there a deputy in WV who got fired for not immediately killing a mentally ill man?
TenguPhule
@Amir Khalid:
5 corrupt as shit Republican justices combined with our country going completely off its rocker after 9/11.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
Yep.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Because everyone knows drawing your gun when already in close hand to hand combat is the best thing to do, amirite? //
I blame movies and tv cop shows for convincing people that the solution to every problem is to shoot the suspect.
father pusbucket
@skater314159:
Straight our of Chappelle’s Show??
Thanks for sharing this.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Yep. Army veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Can’t recall for sure, but I seem to remember he was a Ranger. Anyhow, he decided that between his military and law enforcement training he had enough capability to deescalate the situation down, rather than escalate to deadly force. He was terminated for placing himself and his fellow officers at risk by failing to escalate to deadly force.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Reach out and touch someone!
https://pics.onsizzle.com/50-caliber-handgun-for-when-there-is-a-burglar-behind-7638430.png
Immanentize
@Adam L Silverman: I swear to Dog there must be a not-so-secret society of cops with “kills” somewhere considering how these confrontations — and their aftermaths — go down….
Roger Moore
@Adam L Silverman:
I have heard of people hunting bears with handguns, so a .50 caliber revolver is just a logical choice for an idiotic activity.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Which convinced more people that police are the problem, not the solution.
TenguPhule
@Roger Moore:
Crazy people. Stupid People.
Bears have thick skulls and all that mass means a body shot is probably the last thing you do before the bear mauls you to death and eats you.
J R in WV
@Mnemosyne:
“Wasn’t there a deputy in WV who got fired for not immediately killing a mentally ill man?”
I think it was a rookie city cop in Wheeling or Weirton, formerly steel cities up in the N panhandle. Strange to me too. Perverse.
What are they gonna do when they get sued for killing a pregnant woman calling for help? That wasn’t us who fired that guy for not killing right off!
sukabi
@The Dangerman: yeah, Giuliani is burying them work by word, one interview at a time. Avenatti’s encouraging this behavior…
In other wtf Russia??!! news… They are dumping US Treasury bonds
Adam L Silverman
@Immanentize: Actually it’s this guy who created his own, unaccredited PhD course of study, then parlayed that into creating a research institute with opaque funding that bills law enforcement agencies to train their officers to immediately escalate to deadly forced based on bogus, debunked research. He then turns around and charges through the nose as an expert witness defending cops who follows his training recommendations.
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/expert-in-deadly-force-training-criticized-for-record-on-police/article_20a0f770-c507-5312-90b4-dc5d291a377b.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/us/training-officers-to-shoot-first-and-he-will-answer-questions-later.html
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/columnists/andreatta/2017/09/06/rochester-backpedals-controversial-police-training/639216001/
sukabi
@TenguPhule: pretty sure EVERYDAY is rage tweet sling shit day in trump world.
Adam L Silverman
@Roger Moore: Stupid thing to do. Carrying a large caliber handgun when in bear country as a precaution is not a stupid thing to do.
Uncle Cosmo
@Adam L Silverman: And the most significant thing he did for the campaign was to recruit Mike Dense for VP – & when Agolf Twitler had second thoughts, persuade him he couldn’t back out.
IMHO the real endgame Vlad the Paler is aiming for is to have Trumpolini do all the damage he can manage & then dump him – convincing the USAn public that (whew!) democracy has been saved, when in fact his sleeper agent (& “Mother,” his controller) are firmly ensconced in the White House. I only hope Bobby 3Styx has dug deep enough into the background of the Formerly Stupidest Member Of The House in order to reveal & destroy him before he has a chance to succeed to the office of POTUS.
I
Gravenstone
@TenguPhule: Well, the definition of “handgun” in those instances tends to be rather strained. Things like the T/C Contender which is basically a large pistol in a selection of rifle cartridge calibers.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
nice work, if you lack a soul and all human decency.
TenguPhule
@Gravenstone: Anything big enough to punch through a bear’s natural armor is probably going to break the shooter’s wrists and miss the charging bear to boot.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
So instead of a hungry bear, you have to deal with a hungry angry injured bear instead?
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: I’ve got a PhD that is joint in criminology and have taught/trained Federal, state, and local law enforcement in both university and in service settings and I, along with a close friend who is a former SWAT sniper and SWAT team leader and who does law enforcement training for his own department, are unable to crack into this market and provide decent training that isn’t going to get a department’s name on the front page of the paper for the wrong reasons.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Shot placement and the right caliber and type of ammo is necessary.
The Moar You Know
@Adam L Silverman: Some folks here seem to be under the impression I feel she handled it wrong. I did not and would not say that. I’m not a cop.
But I was thinking exactly the same thing. She faces some pretty good odds of being fired, based on what we have been told. Hence my remark: she’s going to have to answer some tough questions. Legitimate questions. And those answers are going to determine whether she remains a cop.
That, and her medical. She might not be able to go back to work regardless, she’s pretty messed up.
Ruckus
@Roger Moore:
Really? I’m not intrigued with finding stupider people, or more venal people, or people with lessor skills as humans.
I would like to figure a way to not bother giving these vile people higher educations because there are a lot of far more worthy people that could use them and all they do is fuck up the world.
Adam L Silverman
@The Moar You Know: I didn’t think that was what you were advocating for. It will depend on what the rules of engagement are for her department, as well as to what standard she was trained to.
Ruckus
@J R in WV:
This is true. A small aside, we used white lead mixed with machine oil as a taping fluid. Worked the best of any thing I’ve ever used since. Of course we got lead exposure from it but still it was great. Now we have several other products that don’t work as well and who knows what the future will look like, but my hair might even decide to grow back. Who knows where but still, Hair!
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
If this was Pasadena, CA I’d give her 60/40 she’d be fine. Given it’s WV I’d give her no better than 40/60. But a lot depends on the department and the chief.
Ruckus
@Adam L Silverman:
I think someone did a post here about this jackass a while back. You?
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
That old adage about how well one shoots in a crisis situation comes to mind.
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Again, soul and human decency. You guys lack the most important qualification of the business model which requires being complete monsters.
Another Scott
@sukabi: I can’t find a link at the moment, but (IIRC) there was a time under Obama when Vlad withdrew some tens of billions of dollars in Treasuries from his account at the NY Fed (IIRC) because he was worried they would be impounded as part of the sanctions for stealing Crimea, shooting down MH-17, the war in eastern Ukraine, and all the rest. Vlad put the money back less than a month later (IIRC).
IOW, one news story doesn’t mean much without the broader context.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Ruckus: I think I was planning to when I got a chance and either AL or BettyC did it after that NY Times story I linked to in the comment.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: Actually we lack connections. Or, rather, the right connections.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Well, except for the part where the guy was calming down until the rookie’s backup drove up and shot him before the car came to a complete stop.
But, sure, having cops fire on a suspect before pausing to assess the situation is a terrific way to handle mentally ill people. //
TenguPhule
@Adam L Silverman:
Soul, Human Decency, Complete Monsters. Look at the top contractor companies in the field and tell me I’m wrong.
JAFD
@J R in WV: Also manufactured Agent Orange at the old Diamond Shamrock plant on the Passaic River in Newark. Mega Superfund site, digging up all the earth and barging it out. Someday we should put a historical marker there, warn the future.
Warning ‘don’t eat fish or crabs from this river’ plaques on new boardwalk at Riverbank Park, in three languages.
New Red Bulls Stadium is right across river. Looks like ‘alien mothership flying saucer’. Saying round here is “If the alien babies emerge and creep into the river, we’ll welcome them. As long as they can metabolize Dioxin into something harmless…”
jonas
@TenguPhule: Any farmer who runs his business halfway competently knows the issue isn’t this year’s crop, which was sold a long time ago, it’s the next several years going forward. If the Chinese figure this dispute is going to last for a while and go out and lock in contracts with the Canadians, Russians, and Brazilians for the next several seasons, US farmers are totally screwed. You can get a bailout one year. Two or three years in a row? No way. Bye-bye farm.