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You are here: Home / Politics / An Unexamined Scandal / If that is what you say it is, I love it this summer

If that is what you say it is, I love it this summer

by David Anderson|  March 5, 20195:06 pm| 57 Comments

This post is in: An Unexamined Scandal, Open Threads, All Too Normal, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome

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The New York Times reports on the ongoing exhumation of the festering boil of fraud that is Trump and the Trump administration:

New York State regulators have issued an expansive subpoena to the Trump Organization’s longtime insurance broker, the first step in an investigation of insurance policies and claims involving President Trump’s family business, according to a person briefed on the matter.

The subpoena was served late Monday on the company, Aon, one of the largest insurance brokerage firms in the world, as part of an inquiry by the New York State Department of Financial Services.

The most important thing here is that state regulators are the ones who are wading through the muck. Presidential temper tantrums can’t touch them. And Presidential pardons are irrelevant. It might “just” be an investigation of the corporate entities but if the state is following the money to the highly probable lies, it will get some meat in its teeth very quickly.

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  1. 1.

    karensky

    March 5, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    Great news

  2. 2.

    hells littlest angel

    March 5, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    No doubt insurance fraud has long been one of The Orange Better One’s more lucrative criminal schemes.

  3. 3.

    misterpuff

    March 5, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    How sweet it would be if the whole crime family is taken down by Insurance Fraud, the landlord’s best friend.

  4. 4.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    March 5, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    Jeez, I wish everybody would just hurry the fuck up. This guy is a cancer. We need to be plowing ahead much faster here. I know the Democrats are gearing up in the House, and that’s great, but we’ve already lost two years. This needs to end, while we still have a country.

  5. 5.

    tobie

    March 5, 2019 at 5:16 pm

    Good to hear this. Thank you, Tish James. A subpoena this broad doesn’t emerge overnight. I wonder if staff in the NY AG’s office coordinated with AOC’s staff to bring up this issue in Cohen’s hearings last week. I gather the Ways and Means committee will also be requesting Trump’s tax returns. Tick tock.

  6. 6.

    Lyrebird

    March 5, 2019 at 5:19 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):

    This needs to end, while we still have a country.

    I guess I’m just a Mumphrey-Pumphrey ditto head, because….
    DITTO!

    I switch channels (well switch websites is more like it) when I hear people getting too caught up in which primary candidate is gonna be the most likely to pull votes away from Trump… If that disgusting, lying bigot is still in office in Oct 2020, I’m not sure what’s gonna be left of the USA by then.

    People got all shocked when Rep. Tlaib said “impeach the BLEEP” because they wanted to make more outrage. Really if I tried to describe this Manchurian actually Russian president we have with okay for radio words, I could be much much harsher than she was.

    Onward.

  7. 7.

    Ian G.

    March 5, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    Frankly, I think losing everything to lawsuits and RICO is a fate worse than a few years in club fed for these clowns. I don’t think Ivanka is built to survive the next 50 years in a one bedroom co-op in Queens, buying her own food from Key Food and her own clothes from TJ Maxx.

  8. 8.

    Roger Moore

    March 5, 2019 at 5:24 pm

    @Ian G.:
    If they don’t have enough money to hire fancy lawyers and buy off the DA, I don’t think Jarvanka are going to be able to stay out of prison.

  9. 9.

    PaulWartenberg

    March 5, 2019 at 5:27 pm

    My first thought was “insurance fraud”. It’s not only the most likely type of fraud trump used to enrich himself, it’s the most likely to get a lot of large corporations PISSED at him real fast.

  10. 10.

    A Ghost To Most

    March 5, 2019 at 5:33 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Pie don’t work unless you let it. /K

  11. 11.

    West of the Rockies

    March 5, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Ya know, if you took Obama’s five worst days, five worst “scandals”, and five worst hires, you would have an average few weeks in the Clump administration.

    Only mental illness, mental deficiency, racism, homophobia, and misogyny combined can explain the enraptured adherence Trump’s supporters maintain for the man.

  12. 12.

    Yutsano

    March 5, 2019 at 5:48 pm

    Some time either tonight or tomorrow I go to physical rehabilitation for about two weeks. Then it’s testing things/making sure things are survivable so at the very least I can arrange a commute, Driving gets cöordinated in last. This will set me back some goals in some ways but be good for others.

    But rhabdomyolysis SUUUUUCKS!!!!
    https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/rhabdomyolysis-symptoms-causes-treatments

  13. 13.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    And then, we have this to brighten our mood.

    Judge Amy Berman Jackson has scolded Roger Stone over his new book that criticizes Mueller and demanded Stone explain his efforts to comply with a gag order that bars him from bad-mouthing the Special Counsel. https://t.co/iHrEWIvbte— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 5, 2019

  14. 14.

    Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)

    March 5, 2019 at 5:51 pm

    @West of the Rockies:

    Shit, if you took his five worst “scandals”, his five worst days and his five worst hires and dropped them into the middle of this shit show, you’d have the Tяump administration’s best week.

  15. 15.

    hells littlest angel

    March 5, 2019 at 5:52 pm

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): We didn’t lose two years; they were stolen by Republicans in Congress and elsewhere.

  16. 16.

    SFAW

    March 5, 2019 at 5:55 pm

    @West of the Rockies:

    Ya know, if you took Obama’s five worst days, five worst “scandals”, and five worst hires, you would have an average few weeks in the Clump administration.

    No, you’d have the best (for America) days/scandals/personnel of the Traitor-in-Chief’s maladministration. Because everything he said, done, and hired is far worse than Obama’s worst.

  17. 17.

    gene108

    March 5, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    I just want to make sure, if a Democrat is President in 2021, and the Mueller / related Trump inquiries are not over, we will keep looking backwards.

    I know Republicans will retaliate, once they have the Presidency and Congress again, by probably arresting, jailing, and trying to criminally prosecute the previous Democratic President for e-mail practices or charitable donations, but I’m willing to live with that risk, if it finally means we can get a glimpse of the epic level of corruption in the Trump White House and Republican Party.

  18. 18.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 5:58 pm

    @West of the Rockies:

    Only mental illness, mental deficiency, racism, homophobia, and misogyny combined can explain the enraptured adherence Trump’s supporters maintain for the man.

    You left out “religious followership”, which is very important. Evangelicals are the core of his base, because their pastors and professional “Christians” on TV tell them he is The Man, because abortion kills baybeez.

  19. 19.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    @plato:

    scolded

    Unsatisfying. When does he go to jail ? He’s earned it.

  20. 20.

    West of the Rockies

    March 5, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    @SFAW:

    Sadly, you are correct.

  21. 21.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Glad to year from you, even if the news is mixed.
    Godspeed

  22. 22.

    West of the Rockies

    March 5, 2019 at 6:01 pm

    @joel hanes:

    Fair point… Maybe such religious fervor, however, is itself explained by my list?

  23. 23.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    @joel hanes: Sorry, should have added sarcasm tags. I call her pillows amy.

  24. 24.

    Another Scott

    March 5, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    And of course Donnie’s latest tweet is about …

    you guessed it …

    Hillary.

    He’s brain damaged. He needs to go.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  25. 25.

    bemused

    March 5, 2019 at 6:04 pm

    A lot of stuff is happening. All I can think is wahoo and what if Dems hadn’t gotten the House. Shudder.

  26. 26.

    Roger Moore

    March 5, 2019 at 6:06 pm

    @joel hanes:

    You left out “religious followership”, which is very important.

    I think “religious fellowship in an Evangelical church” is a shorthand for “mental illness, mental deficiency, racism, homophobia, and misogyny combined”.

  27. 27.

    debbie

    March 5, 2019 at 6:07 pm

    Aon is fucking the hell out of retired first responders in Ohio. I hope they self-combust.

  28. 28.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    Former officials of the military academy where Trump went to high school say that wealthy alumni directed them to retrieve, remove and hide Trump's academic records.The request came in 2011, days after Trump challenged Obama to "show his records." https://t.co/ec6ohUa4bS— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 5, 2019

    It’s always fucking projection with this scummy thug.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    March 5, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Did they figure out what was going on with the numbness and tingling?

  30. 30.

    Kathleen

    March 5, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    @Yutsano: Thanks for checking in. Still holding you in light!

  31. 31.

    Mike in NC

    March 5, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    The odds that the Trump Organization was involved in multiple instances of insurance fraud must be very close to 100%.

    Add that to money laundering, witness tampering, bank fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, hush money payments, illegal campaign contributions from overseas, and the numerous scams the family has pursued over the years. Plus the conspiracy with Putin. No wonder Mueller is still digging. The final report might have to be written by one of his children.

  32. 32.

    Kay

    March 5, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    @samstein
    Obama vets have a message to 2020 candidates preaching their ability to forge post-partisan compromise: Don’t be idiots. We tried it. It doesn’t work

  33. 33.

    jl

    March 5, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    Would be just awful if Trump’s properties mysteriously changed value depending on the circumstances.
    Trump, all-knowing and infallible, foretold this new persecution. No one understands his jokes, and it is because they hate him.
    if it was that important, they wouldn’t have let him do it. He is a victim! Just like his persecution from them damn bankers, who always cheated him.
    The Base will understand.

  34. 34.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 6:18 pm

    Former officials of the military academy where Trump went to high school say that wealthy alumni directed them to retrieve, remove and hide Trump's academic records.The request came in 2011, days after Trump challenged Obama to "show his records." https://t.co/ec6ohUa4bS— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) March 5, 2019

    And this gif in the reply tweet nailed it.

    He has NO PRINCIPLESand NO …. pic.twitter.com/cL2wFMmjth— Marko Silberhand (@MarkoSilberhand) March 5, 2019

  35. 35.

    debbie

    March 5, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    @jl:

    You refer to the cosmopolitan bankers, of course. //

  36. 36.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    @plato:

    I call her pillows amy.

    No one expects the Spanish admonishment.

  37. 37.

    Kay

    March 5, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    @plato:

    Where did they hide them? God, what idiots. Will they do anything they’re told to do?

    Jesus. Pathetic.

  38. 38.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    @debbie:

    cosmopolitan globalist bankers

  39. 39.

    Yutsano

    March 5, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    @joel hanes: Nope. They already told us. You’re way overthinking these things. He pwns sthe libs. They believe every single time the Democrats act badly to whatever it is that he’s doing that means Drumpf got them.It’s a 4Chan world now. All that matters is how bad did he get the libz tonight?

  40. 40.

    Kay

    March 5, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    @plato:

    They can still redeem themselves. Take the records out from under their mattress and show them. I mean, they’re halfway there now that they’ve announced this. Trump and the low quality hires will scream and yell a lot but they’re not competent enough to harm them.

  41. 41.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 6:24 pm

    @Kay: Indeed. As you keep saying, the elites and their enablers are as bad as their ‘base’.

  42. 42.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    I know some rural evangelicals who aren’t inherently bad people, but who aren’t above-average in intelligence of either kind, and who were inculcated with the belief that the religion in which they were raised was the font of all morality, and thus will never ever have an opinion that runs counter to their pastor.

    So when Falwell sold evangelicals to the Republican Party for political power, and Weyrich sold the Republican Party to evangelicals ditto (those two founded The Moral Majority), and then they colluded to make opposition to abortion a central tenet of evangelical “Christianity” (which it had never before been), these religious follower sheep got shorn grievously close.

    Once could almost pity them as victims if they weren’t helping destroy our system of government and the global environment.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    March 5, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    Let’s just have “amnesty day” where everyone who is hiding stuff for Donald Trump and his family releases it, scott free.

    They’ll all feel better when they stop keeping these horrible peoples secrets, and we’ll all thank them. Win/win.

  44. 44.

    bemused

    March 5, 2019 at 6:27 pm

    @Kay:

    This! Across the aisle are bastard people.

  45. 45.

    joel hanes

    March 5, 2019 at 6:29 pm

    @Yutsano:

    With respect, it’s apparent that we know different subsets of Trump voters.

  46. 46.

    Yutsano

    March 5, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    @debbie: No spinal damage that they could find. Their theory is it was stressed somehow by the rhabdo.

  47. 47.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 5, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    @joel hanes:

    Unsatisfying. When does he go to jail ? He’s earned it.

    Agreed. Weary of the judge’s whole “I’m warning you for the last time” routine. Stone should be immediately held without bail until his trial. Fuck him.

  48. 48.

    debbie

    March 5, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    @Yutsano:

    Glad to read this.

  49. 49.

    Caracal

    March 5, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    @misterpuff: And tax evasion. That would be quite awesome.

  50. 50.

    Anonymous At Work

    March 5, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Donnie lives in perpetual fear and terror of disappointing Fred Trump, Sr. from now until the moment of Donnie’s own death. For Donnie to go from riches to rags in one generation, I believe, would literally kill him. Nature laughs last but history is next to last.

  51. 51.

    SiubhanDuinne

    March 5, 2019 at 7:06 pm

    @Yutsano:

    That sounds like a scary symptom, but relieving news on the spinal front.

    Spinal back. Whatever. Hoping for a speedy, comprehensive, and affordable outcome. Or is that one of those “pick any two” set-ups? Wishing you only the best outcomes, regardless.

  52. 52.

    Sloane Ranger

    March 5, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    @plato: These officials didn’t exactly display the courage and personal honour they no doubt claim to inculcate in their cadets by complying. But isn’t Military School the Borstal for the son’s, and now possibly the daughters, of the wealthy?

  53. 53.

    Gvg

    March 5, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    I don’t think a school can ethically release the records anyway so it speaks of his fear and ignorance that he bothered to hide those records. I imagine it’s pretty galling to receive threats not to do something you know is illegal and which you weren’t going to do anyway.
    I think it might not be unethical to let people know you got threatened though, so now people are interested, the threatened are getting a little revenge.
    The records must be embarrassing, or he wouldn’t need to hide them. We can all point this out.

  54. 54.

    TomatoQueen

    March 5, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    @Yutsano:Successful rehab and speedy recovery to you, and no recurrence ever.

  55. 55.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    March 5, 2019 at 8:33 pm

    @plato:

    It’s always fucking projection with this scummy thug.

    Best Twitter comment: “Yep. I’m now convinced Trump was born in Kenya.”

  56. 56.

    plato

    March 5, 2019 at 9:49 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone): Yeah, I saw that.

  57. 57.

    (((CassandraLeo)))

    March 5, 2019 at 10:07 pm

    @plato: With respect, that correction was unnecessary/redundant. Both those dogwhistles mean the same thing.

    Signed,

    A person who is a target of both of them.

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