Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

T R E 4 5 O N

Second rate reporter says what?

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

All your base are belong to Tunch.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

When your entire life is steeped in white supremacy, equality feels like discrimination.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Within six months Twitter will be fully self-driving.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

Hot air and ill-informed banter

When do we start airlifting the women and children out of Texas?

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.

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Thursday Evening Open Thread: Fun With Polls

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Too early for polls to mean much about who will be our Democratic nominee next year, but there’s a certain entertainment value in seeing how people chose to interpret them. New poll from YouGov/the Economist, which was published online under the headline “Elizabeth Warren is now among Democratic front runners”…


You’ll have to click on the poll picture to see the full image… but I would never have guessed there were almost as many ‘Biden or bust’ fans as, well, you know.

I suspect the Biden-or-bust people will change their minds if their guy doesn’t end as the front-runner, though. Call me a starry-eyed optimist!

Speaking of optimists:

Reader Interactions

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  1. 1.

    Gozer

    Glad to see Sen. Warren moving up. Her and Sen. Harris are my top 2. I’d love to see a Harris/Warren or Warren/Harris ticket.

  2. 2.

    Dan B

    Great to see Warren and Harris moving up this early! Sanders among males is baffling….. Oh, I’m male but not “normal”. The gay blogs seem to favor Harris and Warren. They also love Pete but it looks like his nimbers have plateaued, as I’d expected.

  3. 3.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Gozer: Why the fuck would you want one of them as VP? Moreover, why would either of them take the job? They would each have more power and influence in the Senate than they would as VP. I don’t mean to pick on you, but I am getting really tired of people on our side trying to find an executive branch job for every Dem politician that they like. We need good people in all levels and and branches of government.

  4. 4.

    Mary G

    The man who Twitler loves is a nasty piece of work:

    JUST IN: North Korea envoy executed over failed Trump-Kim summit (Chosun)— David Ingles (@DavidInglesTV) May 30, 2019

  5. 5.

    arrieve

    I think Warren’s numbers are only going to go up after the debates. It’s a crowded field — and a lot of really good candidates — but she does have a gift for explaining issues in a cogent easy to understand way. And she’s got a plan for that!

    Also, although I have made small donations to several of the campaigns, hers is the only one that reached out to me and invited me to volunteer. There are already a lot of campaign activities happening in New York, including a pre-debate picnic in Central Park. I’d be happy with most of the Dems, but the fact that she’s already so organized impressed me.

  6. 6.

    raven

    @Mary G: “The article is from April 25 and no one has verified it since. At the time, Chosun warned that “it is possible the regime is deliberately spreading misinformation.”
    “

  13. 13.

    Baud

    A “considering supporting” poll will be even more of a name recognition poll than a regular poll.

  14. 14.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Looks like a general purge of North Korean diplomats working on the US talks. But a worthwhile caveat.

  17. 17.

    dr. bloor

    Most satisfying have been the MSM stories suggesting that We’re Over Bernie, Already. He’s going to hate not getting the kid gloves treatment this election cycle.

    Are any pollsters doing ranked choice polling? With everyone and my Uncle Sid running, it would be very interesting information. It would also kill the inevitability narrative for Biden, as he’s in the 30’s but not picking up much of anyone not already for him as the field thins.

  19. 19.

    Cheryl Rofer

    @debbie: It could just be that Kim felt that the Hanoi summit was a failure and needed scapegoats. That would be my first guess.

    Next would be that Kim is probably as hard to figure out as Trump is, and they just didn’t get it right.

  20. 20.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Here’s something from North Korea’s official newspaper, FWIW:

    North Korean state newspaper Rodong Sinmun said in a commentary on Thursday that “Acting like one is revering the Leader in front (of others) but dreaming of something else when one turns around, is an anti-Party, anti-revolutionary act that has thrown away the moral fidelity toward the Leader, and such people will not avoid the stern judgment of the revolution.”

    “There are traitors and turncoats who only memorize words of loyalty toward the Leader and even change according to the trend of the time,” the commentary said.

  21. 21.

    debbie

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Scapegoating sounds like the logical reason, but I’d bet Trump will take this to be proof that Kim really, really likes him.

  26. 26.

    Felanius Kootea

    @debbie: He already fell in love with Kim, he said. Maybe this will get him to propose at their next meeting.

    @TenguPhule: Bolton is so lucky he works for someone too chicken to do his own firing.

  27. 27.

    Chyron HR

    Well, congratulations to everyone who quite literally burned down the country so that Messiah Bernie wouldn’t have to wait until 2024 to run again. Was it worth it?

  29. 29.

    Sab

    Has anyone else around here read Suki Kim’s book “Without You There Is No Us” about teaching in North Korea?

  30. 30.

    Felanius Kootea

    @Sab: I haven’t but I should. She was a year ahead of me in college and we had a mutual friend.

  31. 31.

    tobie

    Still rooting for Beto. He hasn’t produced as many proposals as Warren, but the ones he has are very comprehensive on issues I care about a lot (climate change, immigration, reproductive rights). I also like his courage in speaking out about systemic racism in the US even when campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire. This is not a knock on Warren. I’m glad to see how she’s elevated the debate in the Democratic field.

  32. 32.

    tobie

    @Cheryl Rofer: Hoo-boy. I shudder if this is true. Kim Jong-Un is like a walking killer virus. The “like” in this sentence may be inappropriate. The ‘walking killer virus’ description is not a metaphor.

  34. 34.

    karen marie

    @debbie: The Daily Mail (I know, I know) reported that the envoy and others were executed for having “sold” information to the US government at or before the last meeting between Kim and the Fuckwit-in-Chief.

  35. 35.

    Citizen Alan

    Conspiracy theory time: I am absolutely convinced that at some point, Kim Jong Un was replaced by a body double. I really don’t think the present iteration looks at all like he did when he took over in 2011.

  38. 38.

    tobie

    @Citizen Alan: Do you have pictures? I can’t remember what he looked like in 2011, though I recall that even then his haircut was strange.

  40. 40.

    Harbison

    Listen to the women. Listen to blacks.

    Biden has commanding lead among blacks and women.

    Polls this early are meaningless …

  43. 43.

    Bobby Thomson

    I can’t envision a single person who voted for Clinton sitting out if Biden isn’t nominated.

  46. 46.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @tobie: Actually, given what I said above, the VP position or a cabinet gig is a good spot for Beto and/or Mayor Pete.* Being from Texas and Indiana, their chances to move up through state-wide elective office is rather circumscribed. Most of the women running have alternate paths to power if they don’t get the presidential nomination this time around.

    *I think this also has some application to the Castro brothers as well.

  50. 50.

    boatboy_srq

    Notice the “Democrats considering one candidate” item? That’s what Wilmerbots look like. EVERYONE ELSE has taken note of Biden, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg if no more than those four. But Wilmerbots cannot conceive that another candidate will approach Saint Wilmer’s innate popular working-class appeal (much, no doubt, as they cannot grasp the non-whiteness and non-maleness of the libprog electorate). So OF COURSE they’re not looking around the field this year and thinking “Gosh, there are a lot of good people in the running this time around,” because they don’t see anyone but Saint Wilmer.

  51. 51.

    boatboy_srq

    @Omnes Omnibus: There was an interesting bit of Interwebwisdom I saw a few days ago (I forget where). The only way to get the misogynist vote as a woman candidate would be to have a female running mate. Reasoning: a female principal candidate with a male running mate puts the running mate in a subordinate position. Man subordinate to Woman. Sexists can’t stand that. But if both are women somehow that makes it different, and potentially acceptable.

    No, I don’t understand it either. But it makes less non-sense than other theories I’ve encountered. And no, I don’t think Dems should be courting the misogynist vote for any reason other than Everyone Against The Russians GOTea.

  52. 52.

    B.B.A.

    Biden? BIDEN?! If you’ll excuse me I’ll be banging my head against the wall for the next five years.

  53. 53.

    Martin

    @B.B.A.: Black voters don’t have the luxury of voting for a candidate that can’t beat Trump. If they think that candidate is Biden, they’ll vote Biden. It is the job of the other candidates to disprove that assertion. That’s why Hillary was leading Obama going into 2008. Obama had to convince them he could win. He did, and they switched candidates, and that didn’t happen until 6 months from now.

  54. 54.

    BruceFromOhio

    Too early for polls to mean much

    Yes you could have stopped there. Yes I’m quoting you out of context. Yes I did that deliberately.
    My sample set is three. My conclusion is 100% Yes responses. My confidence rating is 95%, there’s a possibility I misquoted you.

  59. 59.

    satby

    @B.B.A.: sure he can. In a choice between Trump and Biden sane people vote for Biden and he wins.
    Insane people will vote for Stein or write in Wilmer or whatever, but the last few years have clarified quite a lot even for non voters.

  60. 60.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @B.B.A.: @B.B.A.: Panic away. It’s a year and a half before the fucking election. It’s more than six months before the first primary. So go ahead and panic about who’s leading in the polls today. Jesus fucking Christ.

  64. 64.

    stan

    Fleabag is brilliant. That and Catastrophe and the best series we’ve seen in a long time.

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