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Hayes Brown, at Buzzfeed, on a speech “Filled With Dog Whistles And Unbridled Nationalism”:
… President Donald Trump… in his third appearance at the annual opening of the UN General Assembly was more forceful than ever in declaring the importance of not just nationalism, but a devotion to country and history, in a speech that repeated tropes used by the white nationalist and anti-Semitic portions of his base.
“Like my beloved country, each nation represented in this hall has a cherished history, culture, and heritage that is worth defending and celebrating and which gives us our singular potential and strength,” Trump said. “The free world must embrace its national foundations. It must not attempt to erase them or replace them.”
“The future does not belong to globalists,” he continued, “the future belongs to patriots.”
And in an extended section about the dangers that unchecked immigration represents, he provided “a message for those open-border activists, who cloak themselves in the rhetoric of social justice. These policies are not just. Your policies are cruel and evil.”
“When you undermine border security, you are undermining human rights and dignity,” he said. “Many of the countries here today are coping with the challenges of uncontrolled migration. Each of you has the absolute right to protect your borders. And so, of course, does our country.”
While the words may have been wrapped up in the patina of an international address, the rhetoric at its core has gained a certain familiarity in recent years. Members of the so-called alt-right and white supremacists in the dark corners of the internet have targeted Jewish public figures as “globalists” with increasing volume since the run-up to the 2016 election…
While he did cover some of the more traditional issues that the US tends to bring up at the UN — he spoke about trade, upholding the rights of women and LGBTQ people, and North Korea’s nuclear program during his time at the podium — Trump shifted back into his emphasis on nationalism toward the end of his speech, leaning into the criteria of just who gets to be a citizen and who does not.
“The true good of a nation can only be pursued but those who love it, by citizens who are rooted in its history, who nourished by its culture, committed to its values, attached to its people, and know that its future is theirs to build or theirs to lose,” Trump said…
"Globalism exerted a religious pull…"
Dogwhistle to air-raid siren.— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) September 24, 2019
Righteous fisking by Mr. Pierce:
Let me sum up the speech delivered by El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago in New York Tuesday morning, for those of you who dozed off as quickly as Wilbur Ross did. The president* explained to, you know, the United Nations that it’s pretty much every country for itself, as far as he’s concerned. The audience was an oil painting throughout. The text was lugubrious, dispirited, distasteful, and altogether Stephen Miller. He pretty plainly was seeing the speech for the first time as he was delivering it. The address was the rhetorical equivalent of a tranquilizer dart.
(WAKE UP, WILBUR!)
Much of it also made no sense…
Globalism exerted a religious pull over past leaders causing them to ignore their own national interests. Those days are over.
A “religious pull.” And what religion do these international economic puppet-masters follow, I wonder? He went on to accuse immigration activists of being in league with “vicious coyotes.” He sleepily accused Iran of all manner of international perfidy and gave China a few whacks. In what may have been an attempt to wake his audience up through sheer incoherence, he somnambulated his way through some anti-abortion rhetoric. It was at that point that I began to envy Wilbur Ross…
* ASMR
Steve in the ATL
I’m starting to have some concerns about this trump guy
Spanky
@Steve in the ATL: Who?
jl
“The true good of a nation can only be pursued but those who love it, by citizens who are rooted in its history, who nourished by its culture, committed to its values, attached to its people, and know that its future is theirs to build or theirs to lose,”
The younger Benjamin Franklin was right. Those German immigrants never really assimilated. Thy cling to their strange ways.
Jeffro
Can anyone on the right tell me why, if it was so hunky-dory and appropriate and awesome, the president*s personal attorney was running around Ukraine trying to squeeze them into coming up with something – anything – that would damage the president*s political rival?
If there was some sort of corruption to be investigated…why not have our law enforcement contact their law enforcement, and leave it at that? To follow the facts, wherever they lead? (Oh wait..that already happened, and there was nothing there)
Where did the extra $140M offered to Ukraine come from? Why? What was expected in exchange for all that extra ‘sugar’?
Kamala Harris now on MSNBC calling trumpov the ‘least patriotic president we’ve ever had’, and tying it together with “he (trumpov) takes the word of [Putin, Kim, MBS] over the word of the American intelligence community”
Gin & Tonic
I could have sworn that the USA was founded on the basis of ideals and shared values, not ethno-national identity.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: also surprised no one is stating the obvious: if Hillary’s or Obama’s personal attorney was running around trying to get a foreign country to “investigate” (ie, drum up charges against) her/his upcoming election rival, and using hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes/extortion to do it, we would already be done here.
Ronno2018
I know if we have a Democrat win next november the republic-rats will pretend t-dump was an anomaly and not a real rat, but holy cow I think less of the voters who turn out and vote in this country now. I guess there is some solace in the popular vote result, but still I think less of the country now. Hope it gets better. Maybe I move to Sweden…
Jeffro
@Gin & Tonic: that was the idea, once upon a time
Mary G
This nationalism shit is what leads to world wars.
TS (the original)
@Ronno2018: I cannot think of one country in the world which does not think less of the USA since trump was elected president* There may be a few sycophant Presidents/PMs who want to be friends of trump but the people of any country you would like to mention – just no.
NotMax
Sadly obligatory.
Spanky
@Mary G: Yep. Maybe we’ve turned the corner here and Britain, but Modi and Pakistan could be a problem.
japa21
@TS (the original): Israel, Russia and Saudi Arabia think more highly of the US now then before. That’s about it.
Kay
It’s such an ungenerous and mean-spirited ideology, the far Right. What a horrible, pessimistic speech.
Why do we all have to suffer because Stephen Miller.was unpopular in high school? God. Couldn’t someone have befriended him? Take one for the team?
Dan B
@Mary G: It also leads to countries like Japan not having enough young workers to pay enough taxes to support the elderly and the government.
Robmassing
This term it’s the globalists. Next term, if we can’t stop him, it’s the Jews
Anne Laurie
@NotMax:
Chetan Murthy
@Ronno2018:
Move to California! We’re all colors of the rainbow, and proud of it. And we fucking hate Shitler and his feculent hordes. And frankly, it’s cheaper than Sweden!
Bonus: you don’t know where Sweden’s heading: maybe it’ll stay diversity-friendly, maybe it’ll go Nazi. but California? We’re already diverse and open and successful.
Anne Laurie
@japa21:
The (majority) of Israelis who aren’t in Bibi’s party think less of the US now. Russia & Saudi Arabia may be happier with the current US leadership, but only because they think less of it than of its predecessors.
dmsilev
Downside of updating the iPad to the newest version of the OS: The ‘act like a real computer’ mode for Safari is so good that I have to refresh this thread six times to see the latest comments. The authentic computer experience!
BC in Illinois
@jl:
Said by a man who has followers — “very fine people” — who wave the flag of the Slaveholder’s Rebellion.
Yeah. Love for something, rooted in someone’s history, nourished by someone’s culture, committed to someone’s values, attached to some people. But I’m not interested in their future.
ETA — And apparently for some of them, their goal for the future can be expressed in 14 words.
West of the Rockies
@Chetan Murthy:
If you come to Cali, do choose the right county. My red county has beauty (and Camp Fire devastation), but progressives are in the minority at present.
mad citizen
Ukrainegate is certainly a gift, who knows how many other things trumpov has done like it? The stupid part is that there are, like 5 other viable D candidates running for President, and certainly no guarantee Biden is going to be the nominee. Anyhoo, it seems bad for trumpov but he still hasn’t worn a tan suit, so…
Raven Onthill
Now that seven conservative House freshman have called for impeachment, Nancy Pelosi is willing to lead the House in impeachment proceedings. I don’t know whether to be horrified, amused, or admiring of Pelosi’s political acumen. Now that she has both wings of her caucus on board, she is willing to act.
OK…
JanieM
@Jeffro:
hundreds of millions of dollars of our (tax) money, no less…….
Chetan Murthy
@BC in Illinois:
A long time ago, I thought that that was Gospel. When I was 11, I won an essay contest with 1st prize being a visit to the Freedom Train. And I was a rabid “patriot”. Used to believe that “hyphenated-Americans” were wrong, b/c we should all be “Americans, full stop”. And then, I grew up.
Trayvon, Michael, Sandra, Philando, Tamir, Oskar, Stephon, John Crawford ….. *sigh*
I’m still proud that I’m an American, still proud that English is my native tongue, still proud of that Freedom Train prize. And still angry that Americans who have been children of our soil longer than most of these fucking Fascists, are treated as if they’re interlopers and furriners.
cain
Holy shit –
Is this fucking true? I have no idea if these sources are true or not. If he did burn all of our intelligence assets the man needs to go post-haste
Chetan Murthy
@West of the Rockies:
[asking seriously] I grew up in Texas, and have rarely left the Bay Area in the last decade. I’ve heard stories that some parts of CA are like Alabama, and I wonder if they’re they’re true. I mean …. there are stories, but then the stories I heard from my friends about parts of Texas ….. well, they’d make you want to buy AR-pattern rifles to protect yourselves from the rednecks (or move out-of-state).
Anyway, just wondering how it compares. Obviously, I mean “move to CA, and to a majority-minority area”. For the taco trucks, of course. And the Soondobu. And the Mapo tofu. And the …… (sorry, I have to stop, to wipe up the drool …..)
Ohio Mom
@Raven Onthill: No one here is interested in your cynicism or your snide remarks about Pelosi.
Kraux Pas
“The free world must embrace its national foundations. It must not attempt to erase them or replace them.”
You. Will not. Replace us.
“The future does not belong to globalists,” he continued, “the future belongs to [me] patriots.”
The dog whistles are deafening.
Major Major Major Major
Yikes!
Kay
They really do sound like criminals.
Mary G
Mr. Cool under pressure:
Wait til Adam Schiff and Mr. Berke get hold of him.
jl
@BC in Illinois: I was making a cheap crack about Trump having German ancestry and they were once considered not rooted in our history. I think there is some truth in the quote, and some dog whistles. But the more truthful parts are better accomplished by the good old fashioned welcoming attitude toward immigrants. So, let pick out the good, bad and the ugly.
“those who love it”
“who nourished by its culture”
“committed to its values”
“know that its future is theirs to build or theirs to lose”
OK, but we did that before Trump or Miller came along, we don’t need their help.
“attached to its people”
That’s a dog whistles.
Does ‘attached to its people’ mean healthy mutual national community of shared values, or belonging to some arbitrary racial or cultural tribe?
“by citizens who are rooted in its history”
A more sinister dog whistle. Does it mean shared civic values, or nativism and jingoism?
But, that is how dog whistles work. Those who have ears to hear, hear them the right way.
Fair Economist
@Robmassing: We’re already there. “Globalist” is frequently used as a slur against Jews.
jl
@Fair Economist: Yeah, I noticed that. Another dog whistle.
Edit: shortly after Trump announced and the antisemitic stuff started, I thought it was trolling the libs. But didn’t take long to realize, though hard for me to believe at first that a lot of people are still very much into this sick garbage, many center their lives around it, and Trumpsters wanted their votes.
dmsilev
@Kay: Just ‘sound like’?
Also, the phrase ‘no honor among thieves’ is bubbling up in my mind…
Frankensteinbeck
@Raven Onthill:
It sure would have done a lot of good if she’d launched an impeachment her caucus didn’t support. Instead she just sat around twiddling her thumbs, setting up investigatory committees that are ready to go official now and starting the law suits that will become a big part of this.
Redshift
Fuck Donald Trump and fuck Stephen Miller.
The singular strength of my country, its values, are that anyone can become an American, that the good of the nation most certainly cannot “only” be pursued by those “rooted in its history,” it has often been best pursued by those inspired by what we claim to stand for.
NotMax
Scene not televised:
Dolt 45 scans the room from the dais, whispers to Secretary General, “You spelled Normay wrong.”
Miss Bianca
@Raven Onthill: “Now that Nancy Pelosi has finally done the thing that I and all the other purity ponies have been bitching for months that we wanted her to do, I…I have to find *something else* to bitch about?”!
OK…
Mary G
delk
I bet everybody that had to sit through that speech is laughing their asses off tonight. The rest of the conference should be interesting.
Ruckus
@Kay:
They had to attend the same school. Wasn’t that enough suffering?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Raven Onthill: so you confirm my theory that BernieBots and Jacobin subscribers would prefer a righteous loss to a victory that takes (checks watch) two months longer than you thought it should?
also, trump still hasn’t been impeached, still probably won’t be convicted and removed, much less resign, and the medium-term politics of Pelosi’s move are still pretty hard to predict
joel hanes
@Gin & Tonic:
Persons of Native American or African ancestry may have a somewhat different take on that.
That is to say, in terms of aspirations, we (or at least some of us) seem to have improved.
Jeffro
@Mary G: Anything that gets the rats gnawing at each other is ok in my book.
@Kay: ditto here. Get them worrying about who will rat out each other, Dems!
joel hanes
@West of the Rockies:
But you still have the Madison Bear Gardens, while it’s been decades since St. James Infirmary burned down and was never rebuilt.
So, tradeoffs.
Kay
@Ruckus:
So many of them just seem damaged. Angry, bitter, bent on vengeance. They really have had pretty privileged lives, these people. You’d think they would be happier than they are.
West of the Rockies
@Chetan Murthy:
I’m in Butte County, 90 miles north of Sacramento. Chico has a university and is purply-blue. The other towns are solidly red. Not Alabama or Oklahoma red, but definitely conservative. Paradise burned down. It was pretty damn red and religious (probably 65:35 red to blue). Reports are that about 10,000 Paradisians now live in Chico. Aggressive homeless people have definitely increased markedly.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
West of the Rockies
@joel hanes:
Yup, the mighty Bear abides.
pattont
@Steve in the ATL: Hi Susan!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I watched as many seconds as I could stand of Ingrahm’s adenoidal sneering and Rudi’s yelling, but long enough to hear Rudi threaten to sue some guy for libel. IANAL but I’m pretty sure Rudi would stand up to discovery about as well as he would to a full and candid discussion of his finances, or his marriages.
ETA: forgot the link, with video clips.
Chetan Murthy
@West of the Rockies:
It’s hard to discern. My own belief is, the only real way to measure racism, is to look at the children. B/c (setting aside trumpism and it’s outriders) adults know how to hide their racism when people are looking. But children? They don’t know to hide it ….. so they act it all out in public. I wonder what it’s like for children in your area.
Sigh. I totally believe you about the racism of various “heartland” parts of CA. Just …. I “want” to believe that even still, they’re not as bad as where I grew up. B/c …. well, that’d be pretty awful. Pretty. Awful.
Ruckus
@Frankensteinbeck:
Come on man, she should have announced impeachment proceedings the day after the election so that dickhead would never have taken office and we could have appointed a true leader in his place, maybe some guy from Vermont or an ex mayor of NYC, or that plumber guy, the one with his head in the toilet. Because you just know that would have been, what’s the word, amazing……
Chetan Murthy
@Ruckus:
IIUC, that’s what Hillary should have done, in-between donning sackcloth-and-ashes, and knitting somewhere in the woods. Since Hillary did not, no other Dem is allowed to do it now.
J R in WV
In the mail I picked up today coming back from the weekly grocery run, I got a kind personal letter from nice guy named Donald J Trump. He wanted me to contribute to his Make America Great Again Committee, and told me I could contribute up to $41,500 if I could be that great an American.
We have contributed a lot to Democratic candidates over the years, more in 2016 and 2018, and never a dime to a Republican of any sort, ever. I thought about writing them a $0.13 check, hoping that it would cost more than that to account for the check, process the donation, etc. Then I thought, nope, not a Fuckin Cent!
Also, we’re getting two new puppys tomorrow. They’re 3 months old, or so, and have been getting all the goat milk they wanted to drink, as they were lucky enough to be born on a goat dairy friends of ours have near by.
I hear they go through 50 pounds of kibble for 6 dogs, and all the milk they want… We’ll not be providing all the goat milk they want, so will go for puppy chow, all they want. Wish Us Luck!!
joel hanes
@J R in WV:
I have two fundraising letters from Judicial Watch.
Unfortunately the return envelopes aren’t postpaid.
I’m waiting for a rage peak to do a little research and write a one-page response to send them.
I’ll start out civil and bland, but it won’t end that way.
jl
@joel hanes:
“Unfortunately the return envelopes aren’t postpaid”
You were going to put a baggy full of pennies in it and mail it off?
Chetan Murthy
@jl:
Generous kind-hearted person you are, aren’t you? That’s not at all what I thought of, when I read it. *heh* *heh* *giggle*
[ Is mailing dog-poo a federal crime? I wonder? How about if it’s in a plastic baggie? How about a biodegradable corn-plastic baggie?]
mrmoshpotato
@jl: @Chetan Murthy: Stuff to the gills with their own trash and other junk mail. Drop in mailbox.
Ruckus
@Kay:
They are unhappy because they have been told for their entire lives that they are the best, the wealthy, the chosen ones. But it’s a false worship, this worship of mammon. They have to be better because something, something, bullshit. They have money, they think that makes them better and if they are better then more money should make them even better. But they have nothing else other than a demented idea that money and always more money will make them happy. But all they can do with that is buy stuff and more stuff. It doesn’t buy them a personality or a real purpose. Hell even a bad career choice can give a person a purpose. And notice that their ideal, that money is everything and because they have some they don’t need to do anything else, like learn any history or economics, or even maths, let alone any thing creative. They buy their way into supposedly great schools and fuck off the entire time, still getting a diploma. Their lives are filled with bullshit. trump is just an extremely bad example of the type. On a earlier post there was a discussion about MBAs and what they and the economists who gave the world their lack of talent and concept have given us. A somewhat shitty economy, people with meaningless jobs and no security or actual career path, only the concept of the next moment matters, nothing down the road or in the past. If you can make money, in any fashion, even destruction of the entire company, over the next month/quarter then you will continue to make more. It’s bullshit, just like the wealthy that have to fuck over everyone to become that way. Someone the other day said that Jeff Bezos could give everyone of his employees a million dollars and he’d still be a billionaire. But he won’t even treat them well or pay reasonably, let alone give them a million.
This whole next quarter profits, fuck everything else is a pyramid scheme. It’s all based on bullshit and lies, just like donnie.
Ruckus
@joel hanes:
I never bother with the civil and bland, they are going to throw the letter away anyway so I always just use enlisted naval speak right off the bat. If they send another, I use enlisted lifer naval speak. Only once got anything more. A letter from the candidates wife, pissed off about how everyone was treating her scumbag republican husband who lowered himself to serve and save CA from ourselves. She got no quarter from me. Never heard another peep.
Mnemosyne
@Raven Onthill:
Uh, yeah. That’s how people act when they’re actually trying to win rather than uselessly flinging themselves onto the ground in a tantrum.
It’s also why Warren is leaving Sanders in the dust. She’s doing the things she needs to do in order to win, not just what sounds good to a dwindling group of cultists.
But I realize that you guys think that setting and accomplishing goals is a sign of moral failure, so I get why you’re so confused that Pelosi actually did what she set out to do.
Amir Khalid
Some would say it takes balls of steel to say that at the UN. I would argue that what it really takes is brains of shit.
Raven Onthill
I’m a Warren supporter and I don’t subscribe to Jacobin. You’ve got the wrong bird. I also am not a white woman, as some Twitter commentator thought; I am a big black bird. I am glad that the House is finally moving on impeachment, but I wish they’d started the week the Democrats retook power.
Isn’t anyone else bothered that it took the conservative wing of the House Democrats so long to come around? We don’t actually know which side Pelosi was on, and she may not even have had one, but isn’t anyone else bothered by the passivity of a major Democratic faction in the face of Trump’s malfeasance? In the decades of Republican malfeasance? One sharp-tongued Twitter commentator observed, “Make no mistake: there was no impeachment when he was destroying the environment, putting brown kids in cages, banning Muslims, encouraging Nazis or letting poor people die from treatable illnesses. All it took was for him to attack a rich white person’s rich white son.” (https://twitter.com/ihateravenholm/status/1176618025979711489)
And maybe this is an oversimplification, but I am not at all certain that it is.
I think cynicism is warranted here.
Mnemosyne
@Raven Onthill:
Once again you have demonstrated that cynicism is the easiest way to avoid having to actually think about anything. Why bother thinking about what the messy politics may have been behind the closed doors of the Democratic caucus or the 200+ different personalities involved, each one of whom wants and expects something different based on their district?
Nope, all you have to do is declare that you’re “cynical” about getting the exact thing you were demanding and you can bypass all of that messy and complicated thinking time.
Sister Golden Bear
@Chetan Murthy: Then don’t go to Bakersfield. Ever.
Fortunately us Coastal Californians vastly outnumber them.
cain
@Amir Khalid:
I wonder where the ADL is on this? Or are they keeping quiet because Trump is good friends with Bibi?
Kathleen
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bernie woulda won impeachment.
rikyrah
@Jeffro:
Yeah…what about the extra $140 million???
rikyrah
Any word about the happenings in the UK?
Chyron HR
My god, it’s Mein Kampf recited phonetically by an illiterate.
JR
@Chetan Murthy: I assume you’re not counting real estate?
JR
@joel hanes: also the hundreds of thousands of British loyalists that “we” forced out of the country following the revolution. Their plight may not be as compelling but ugly all the same.
Jinchi
@Kay:
They tried.
evodevo
@Chetan Murthy: Nooooo…think of the poor postal workers!!! like me!!! (the poo, not the pennies lol)
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: Of course it is true that California is, always has been, and always will be a bastion of progressiveness and tolerance.
Uncle Cosmo
@Jinchi: There’s not much you can do to rehabilitate Reinhard Heydrich’s Mini-Me.
Raven Onthill
@Mnemosyne: As I wrote, “I am glad that the House is finally moving on impeachment, but I wish they’d started the week the Democrats retook power.”
No, I haven’t gotten what I wanted. I want the Democrats to come out unequivocally against crimes against humanity and the earth, not just stupid corruption. While the House Democrats were dithering, Trump and the Republicans had nine additional months to cement their hold on the USA, and to do harm. During that time more children were stolen, more judges were appointed, more environmental regulations were revoked. And yet the House Democrats dithered.
I have been writing about “the messy politics may have been behind the closed doors of the Democratic caucus,” with growing horror and disgust, for over a decade, since the right wing of the Democrats refused to condemn the crimes of the W. Bush administration. Here’s an article from over nine years ago. Mine is not easy cynicism; it is the result of years of attention to actual conduct of the political parties.
I ask again, aren’t you the least bit bothered by the conduct of the Democratic Party for the past decades? I am only an observer and analyst. What I am observing is “the passivity of a major Democratic faction in the face of Trump’s malfeasance and in the face of decades of Republican malfeasance.” Why doesn’t that bother you more than my writing about it?
It is important, if one cares about politics, to pay attention to process. It is clear that despite all faults, that at this time the Democratic Party is far superior to the Republican Party. it is also important to question of the results of process, and and the participants.
See you in the next thread!