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House Judiciary Committee Hearing

by Cheryl Rofer|  June 24, 202012:52 pm| 90 Comments

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  1. 1.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 24, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    Louie Gohmert is throwing a temper tantrum and banging on his desk in an attempt to disrupt the hearing pic.twitter.com/iNI4amJ2dg

    — Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) June 24, 2020

  2. 2.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 12:57 pm

    “There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”

    (Gohmert)

  3. 3.

    JPL

    June 24, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: That was disgusting.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    June 24, 2020 at 12:58 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer: Can taking a dump on the table be far behind?

  5. 5.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    @Baud:  Depends.  Will he fling it?

  6. 6.

    Anya

    June 24, 2020 at 1:01 pm

    @germy: what a demented, racist asshole. No self respect or integrity.

  7. 7.

    bemused

    June 24, 2020 at 1:02 pm

    Most 3 year olds are more mature.

  8. 8.

    oatler.

    June 24, 2020 at 1:04 pm

    Have Gohmert ejected with extreme prejudice (“bum’s rush”).

  9. 9.

    Cheryl Rofer

    June 24, 2020 at 1:05 pm

    Statement from Ayers and Zelensky, the whistleblowers.

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:05 pm

    Thank you, Cheryl.  Have this on in the background.

    Big news day, eh?  I guess they all are, these days.

  11. 11.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 24, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    @germy: Fling what, his Depends?

  12. 12.

    The Moar You Know

    June 24, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    “Mr. Chairman, will you please have Gene Krupa removed?”

    Oh my, someone’s a drummer.  Would love to know who made that comment.  I laughed my ass off (you gotta be a drummer or familiar with them to get it)

    Gohmert’s no Gene Krupa.

  13. 13.

    Ruckus

    June 24, 2020 at 1:15 pm

    @bemused:

    More intellectually advanced as well.

    What’s the old saying? If you don’t have anything positive to say, yell and scream like an infant, at least then the attention is away from the discussion. Of course it also shows how much you’ve developed since you were a snotty brat – none.

  14. 14.

    gene108

    June 24, 2020 at 1:16 pm

    @Baud:

    None of them are flexible enough to squat. It will be far behind.

  15. 15.

    hells littlest angel

    June 24, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    Fatal drinking game: Take a shot every time Gym Jordan says, “Guess what?”

  16. 16.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:21 pm

    @hells littlest angel:   Hard pass.  Sound off as soon as Jordan started his tantruming.

    They cannot compel our attention.  Same policy with Trump.

  17. 17.

    hueyplong

    June 24, 2020 at 1:25 pm

    @The Moar You Know: My imbed wouldn’t play.  Did he seriously call him Krupa?  1938 Carnegie Hall Krupa?  Seriously?

  18. 18.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Someone should tell Nadler to speak into his mic.

  19. 19.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:29 pm

    Gym Jordan is maskless?

  20. 20.

    Immanentize

    June 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    @hueyplong: What’s the alternative?  To call him Eric “Stumpy” Joe?  I can wish, however, for the same fate for Gohmert.

  21. 21.

    feebog

    June 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    Louie Gohmert reestablishing his claim on dumbest congressman.  Ever.

  22. 22.

    wvng

    June 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm

    I tried to watch.  I really wanted to watch. But then gym Jordan started his stream of lies so I had to turn it off. Later turned it back on only to find Gohmert having a tantrum. It’s simply appalling.

  23. 23.

    JPL

    June 24, 2020 at 1:33 pm

    @wvng: I mute when a republican is up..

  24. 24.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 24, 2020 at 1:34 pm

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    Jesus fucking Christ….

    “There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”

    I assume his whining about the supposed “hypocrisy” of the Dems letting Ayer go 2 mins over is BS

  25. 25.

    rikyrah

    June 24, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    are they having a hearing?

    cut off their phucking mics- the GOP

  26. 26.

    Luciamia

    June 24, 2020 at 1:35 pm

    @Elizabelle: Funny how Summer used to be a slow news time, even in a campaign. year.  And I’m not even going back that far.

  27. 27.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    Think of the November election as a chance to end a crime spree. https://t.co/5Tfhrp5m0c

    — Roy Edroso (@edroso) June 24, 2020

  28. 28.

    Starfish

    June 24, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): That was actually something that was said and not just Juicers making fun of Republicans? ?

  29. 29.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:40 pm

    “Any member who refuses to wear a mask will not be recognized.”

    WTG, Chairman Nadler!  Every committee should follow that rule.

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    Doug Collins is so damn loathesome.  Mute.

  31. 31.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    @Elizabelle:  He’s not recognizing Gym Jordan?  I turned it off.

  32. 32.

    JPL

    June 24, 2020 at 1:42 pm

    I muted Collins, but I want to mention that he is running against Loeffler to finish Johnny Isaakson’s term.    BTW He’s the more moderate of the two.

  33. 33.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 24, 2020 at 1:43 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    The asshole talking atm says he doesn’t have that authority apparently. And he’s trying to attack the credibility of Elias

  34. 34.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 24, 2020 at 1:45 pm

    @Starfish:

    He literally did. I had the same thought you did at first

  35. 35.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee up now.  Skewering Neomi Reo for hypocrisy now.

  36. 36.

    waspuppet

    June 24, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    What’s the old saying about law, facts and pounding the table?

    Also, I can’t be bothered to watch because we all know everything the Republicans will say is a lie and everything the Americans say will not go nearly far enough, but I do have one question: Are the Americans wearing masks and the Republicans not?

  37. 37.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 1:48 pm

    Ah, Michael Mukasey is a witness.  Came to this knowing nothing about this hearing …

  38. 38.

    Wag

    June 24, 2020 at 1:49 pm

    I wonder how Gohmert will react when the Dems start banding on their desk when he tries to badger the witnesses?

  39. 39.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Senate confirms 200th judicial nominee from Trump, a legacy that will last well beyond November

    (WaPo headline)

  40. 40.

    Zinsky

    June 24, 2020 at 1:55 pm

    Democrats should be drafting new articles of impeachment and begin hearings immediately – Trump and Barr!

  41. 41.

    tokyokie

    June 24, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    @germy:

    “There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”

    (Gohmert)

     

    Somebody should remind Gohmert that before Preston Brooks’ literal beat-down of Charles Sumner, neither house had an explicit rule forbidding bludgeoning an opponent.

  42. 42.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    Gym Jordan might have other things on his mind:

    In a monumental decision on Tuesday, a federal court ruled against Ohio State University to unseal the deposition and the complaint in the lawsuit in which hundreds of men were sexually abused by late Ohio State team doctor Richard Strauss. https://t.co/Kr6OrVY0Xx

    — NBC4 Columbus (@nbc4i) June 23, 2020

  43. 43.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 24, 2020 at 1:59 pm

    Wish I had realised there was a thread up. I’ve been watching since first gavel.

    Jordan, Collins, and Gohmert are really something else, aren’t they?

  44. 44.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    I could never be in Congress because if I had a Mueller prosecutor under oath in front of me, the last thing I’d want to do is read a speech.

    — southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 24, 2020

  45. 45.

    Kelly

    June 24, 2020 at 2:02 pm

    @germy:

    “There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”

    (Gohmert)

    Listening while others speak is just another norm

  46. 46.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Nadler realizes he forgot to call on the HJC's star witness Aaron Zelinsky who is testifying via video.— Darren Samuelsohn (@dsamuelsohn) June 24, 2020

  47. 47.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:   I am thinking about their high school teachers, specifically Jordan’s.  And how he/she might be saying:  I shudder at what I am seeing from a grown man.  Oh well, at least there were other students …

    Jordan is a bully, as is Collins.  Cannot address Gohmert because missed that, thank dog.

  48. 48.

    Zinsky

    June 24, 2020 at 2:05 pm

    Roger Stone should be re-sentenced and get the death penalty.

  49. 49.

    germy

    June 24, 2020 at 2:06 pm

    Rep. Louie Gohmert has three daughters. Caroline, the middle child, is a musician who lives in California under the artist name BELLSAINT. And her latest single is called “Much Like My Father.”

    “Everybody loves you / But there’s poison in the water / You get away with everything / Much like my father,” BELLSAINT begins.

  50. 50.

    p.a.

    June 24, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    Is there a parliamentarian present or available in committee, or just gen’l session?

  51. 51.

    oatler.

    June 24, 2020 at 2:08 pm

    “I’m going to ask you to turn off your radio when you’re on the phone.”

  52. 52.

    Aleta

    June 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm

    Rep. Mike Johnson, LA “We would love to have hearings about the origins of the collusion thing species.”  (rage edit) (sorry)

  53. 53.

    Kropacetic

    June 24, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    @Elizabelle: Jordan is a bully, as is Collins.  Cannot address Gohmert because missed that, thank dog.

    Didn’t see any of it, but may I suggest class clown?

  54. 54.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 24, 2020 at 2:11 pm

    @germy:

    Woah if true.

  55. 55.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    June 24, 2020 at 2:13 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Jordan is a bully, as is Collins.  Cannot address Gohmert because missed that, thank dog.

    Hopefully, the new unsealed testimony in the OSU Strauss scandal destroys Jordan. He had to have been involved in the cover up

  56. 56.

    Fraud Guy

    June 24, 2020 at 2:16 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): If the truth won’t set us free, at least it may put him in jail?

  57. 57.

    bemused

    June 24, 2020 at 2:17 pm

    @Ruckus:

    I think most 3 yr olds, we have 2 grandchildren that age, have a better sense of fairness, sharing, caring about others, manners, etc than R’s. Too bad we can’t force R’s to go back to basics and attend preschool before they go out in the adult world.

  58. 58.

    Kropacetic

    June 24, 2020 at 2:19 pm

    @bemused: I think most 3 yr olds, we have 2 grandchildren that age, have a better sense of fairness, sharing, caring about others, manners, etc than R’s.

    Probably worked hard over their adult lives to forget those things for ideological reasons.

  59. 59.

    Sebastian

    June 24, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    @waspuppet:

    “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” –Carl Sandburg

  60. 60.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 24, 2020 at 2:28 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    By the way, and this is very shallow and apropos of absolutely nothing, but I think John Elias is pretty cute.

  61. 61.

    Benw

    June 24, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    @bemused: my cat has a better sense of decency than these assholes, and my cat spends most of it’s awake time trying to kill birds and chipmunks in my yard

  62. 62.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 2:40 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:   He is.  And one of the good ones, too

    Yer friend,

    Shallowbelle

  63. 63.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 2:45 pm

    Uh.  Matt Gaetz.  On the positive side, he’s dressed in an outfit that would look great on a villain in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?  It’s positively cinematic.

    He just dragged Hillary Clinton’s name into this.  Mute.

  64. 64.

    JPL

    June 24, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    @Elizabelle:  I turned it off.

  65. 65.

    Steeplejack

    June 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    @germy:

    A-fuckin’-men! Too many Dems wasting precious time.

  66. 66.

    patrick II

    June 24, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    I’m going to guess that two of those judges were anxious to render a decision before the evidence was presented at the hearing today.

  67. 67.

    bemused

    June 24, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    If only we could send them, all of them, to preschool to learn the basics of fairness, sharing, manners and more. However, they’d all probably be the first preschool group to be expelled for incurable, permanent incorrigibility.

  68. 68.

    Roger Moore

    June 24, 2020 at 2:53 pm

    @Benw:

    my cat has a better sense of decency than these assholes, and my cat spends most of it’s awake time trying to kill birds and chipmunks in my yard

    Killing small animals is a cat’s job.  If only the Republicans in Congress were as dedicated to the job of being legislators as your cat is to its job.

  69. 69.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 2:57 pm

    @bemused:   And they’d drink the paint on purpose.  Because they can. So there.

    I cannot believe this level of misbehavior does not make it to campaign ads.

    We need a Lincoln Project for the states.  Just put up their ridiculousness.  Troy, Ohio:  is this really what you want to send to Congress?

  70. 70.

    Steeplejack

    June 24, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    @Sebastian:

    Carl Sandburg? The poet Carl Sandburg?! Source or GTFO.

  71. 71.

    burnspbesq

    June 24, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    @Anya:

    The perfect representative for his shithole of a district.

  72. 72.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 2:58 pm

    @germy:   Missed it.  Who did that?

  73. 73.

    bemused

    June 24, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Ha, ha, true. Eating glue, bullies in the sandbox, etc.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    June 24, 2020 at 3:04 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I believe it was Sheila Jackson Lee.

  75. 75.

    jonas

    June 24, 2020 at 3:30 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Jordan, Collins, and Gohmert are really something else, aren’t they?

    There’s a reason the GOP leadership put their loudest, stupidest, and most disruptive members on Nadler’s committee — to basically pull shit stunts like this any time someone brings massive criming by Trump to light. By the time they’re done with their tantrums, the hope is that everyone has forgotten who was there to testify or why.

  76. 76.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    June 24, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    He just dragged Hillary Clinton’s name into this.

    Of course, she has supplanted Carter and Obama as History’s Greatest Monster.

  77. 77.

    jonas

    June 24, 2020 at 3:32 pm

    @Elizabelle:We need a Lincoln Project for the states.

    I think they are running some ads against Mitch McConnell.

  78. 78.

    Sebastian

    June 24, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    @Steeplejack:

     

    I couldn’t recall the exact phrasing and had to google, this was one of the first hits. Obviously not a source but I copy-pasted it shamelessly from there

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/when-shouting-replaces-substance

  79. 79.

    Sebastian

    June 24, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Found it. Here you go.

    “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” – quoted by an Illinois native, Carl Sandburg, in The People, Yes (1936)

     

    https://blawgreview.blogspot.com/2005/05/previewing-blawg-review-7.html?m=1

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    June 24, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    @Steeplejack:   Thank you.  Will check that out later.

    My slogan for the ads against the GOP idjits:  “Send an adult to Congress.  Please.  Ohio can do better.”

  81. 81.

    Connor

    June 24, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    @Sebastian:

    “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” – quoted by an Illinois native, Carl Sandburg, in The People, Yes (1936)

    Your link certainly says that Carl Sandburg came up with that line…but your source is wrong. The People, Yes is a book-length poem by Carl Sandburg, and the very-much-NOT-poetry statement about facts and law exists nowhere in it. (I just did a complete electronic scan of the text to check that. It ain’t there, nor any component of it.) The attribution to Sandburg is apocryphal. There is no evidence he ever said it, anywhere. The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.

  82. 82.

    Sebastian

    June 24, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    @Connor:

    fair enough and thank you for verifying. I was, as I stated above, merely copy-pasting from the Brennan Center :)

  83. 83.

    James E Powell

    June 24, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    @Connor:

    The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.

    When in doubt, give it to Lincoln.

  84. 84.

    debbie

    June 24, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @germy:
    Someone needs to ask Gym Jordan what he thinks about the document release showing that OSU covered up for Dr. Strauss for decades and whether he thinks there might be some “interesting” information about his own role in the cover-up. It only seems fair. //

  85. 85.

    J R in WV

    June 24, 2020 at 6:14 pm

    @debbie:

    My money thinks Gym Jordan won’t be in the House by election time, once all this information is absorbed by the public. What a loon that guy is. He seems to think that the fastest talker is automatically the correct person with the best facts!

    Not so, Gym!!!

  86. 86.

    dirge

    June 24, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @Connor: The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.

    My father, an attorney, related it to me some time in the 80’s in the form:   “When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts.  When the law is on your side, pound on the law.  When you have neither, pound on the table.”  IMHO, much snappier than the other variations I usually see going around.

  87. 87.

    debbie

    June 24, 2020 at 6:36 pm

    @J R in WV:

    He’s head for a major public humiliation. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.

  88. 88.

    The Lodger

    June 24, 2020 at 6:43 pm

    @The Moar You Know: He isn’t even Todd Rundgren.

    I don’t want to work

    I just wanna bang on the drums all day 

  89. 89.

    debbie

    June 24, 2020 at 6:49 pm

    @Connor:

    @Sebastian:

    Carl Sanburg wrote a multi-volume biography of Abraham Lincoln (read it while researching for a history paper in college like a billion years ago). The quote sounds like something Lincoln would have said, so I can believe it’s associated with Sanburg.

  90. 90.

    Rex

    June 24, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    @The Moar You Know: I had the same question. I want to know the rep who has those music chops.

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