What’s the old saying? If you don’t have anything positive to say, yell and scream like an infant, at least then the attention is away from the discussion. Of course it also shows how much you’ve developed since you were a snotty brat – none.
@hueyplong: What’s the alternative? To call him Eric “Stumpy” Joe? I can wish, however, for the same fate for Gohmert.
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feebog
Louie Gohmert reestablishing his claim on dumbest congressman. Ever.
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wvng
I tried to watch. I really wanted to watch. But then gym Jordan started his stream of lies so I had to turn it off. Later turned it back on only to find Gohmert having a tantrum. It’s simply appalling.
He literally did. I had the same thought you did at first
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Elizabelle
Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee up now. Skewering Neomi Reo for hypocrisy now.
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waspuppet
What’s the old saying about law, facts and pounding the table?
Also, I can’t be bothered to watch because we all know everything the Republicans will say is a lie and everything the Americans say will not go nearly far enough, but I do have one question: Are the Americans wearing masks and the Republicans not?
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Elizabelle
Ah, Michael Mukasey is a witness. Came to this knowing nothing about this hearing …
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Wag
I wonder how Gohmert will react when the Dems start banding on their desk when he tries to badger the witnesses?
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germy
Senate confirms 200th judicial nominee from Trump, a legacy that will last well beyond November
(WaPo headline)
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Zinsky
Democrats should be drafting new articles of impeachment and begin hearings immediately – Trump and Barr!
Somebody should remind Gohmert that before Preston Brooks’ literal beat-down of Charles Sumner, neither house had an explicit rule forbidding bludgeoning an opponent.
42.
germy
Gym Jordan might have other things on his mind:
In a monumental decision on Tuesday, a federal court ruled against Ohio State University to unseal the deposition and the complaint in the lawsuit in which hundreds of men were sexually abused by late Ohio State team doctor Richard Strauss. https://t.co/Kr6OrVY0Xx
Nadler realizes he forgot to call on the HJC's star witness Aaron Zelinsky who is testifying via video.— Darren Samuelsohn (@dsamuelsohn) June 24, 2020
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Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne: I am thinking about their high school teachers, specifically Jordan’s. And how he/she might be saying: I shudder at what I am seeing from a grown man. Oh well, at least there were other students …
Jordan is a bully, as is Collins. Cannot address Gohmert because missed that, thank dog.
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Zinsky
Roger Stone should be re-sentenced and get the death penalty.
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germy
Rep. Louie Gohmert has three daughters. Caroline, the middle child, is a musician who lives in California under the artist name BELLSAINT. And her latest single is called “Much Like My Father.”
“Everybody loves you / But there’s poison in the water / You get away with everything / Much like my father,” BELLSAINT begins.
I think most 3 yr olds, we have 2 grandchildren that age, have a better sense of fairness, sharing, caring about others, manners, etc than R’s. Too bad we can’t force R’s to go back to basics and attend preschool before they go out in the adult world.
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Kropacetic
@bemused: I think most 3 yr olds, we have 2 grandchildren that age, have a better sense of fairness, sharing, caring about others, manners, etc than R’s.
Probably worked hard over their adult lives to forget those things for ideological reasons.
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” –Carl Sandburg
By the way, and this is very shallow and apropos of absolutely nothing, but I think John Elias is pretty cute.
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Benw
@bemused: my cat has a better sense of decency than these assholes, and my cat spends most of it’s awake time trying to kill birds and chipmunks in my yard
Uh. Matt Gaetz. On the positive side, he’s dressed in an outfit that would look great on a villain in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? It’s positively cinematic.
He just dragged Hillary Clinton’s name into this. Mute.
If only we could send them, all of them, to preschool to learn the basics of fairness, sharing, manners and more. However, they’d all probably be the first preschool group to be expelled for incurable, permanent incorrigibility.
@SiubhanDuinne: Jordan, Collins, and Gohmert are really something else, aren’t they?
There’s a reason the GOP leadership put their loudest, stupidest, and most disruptive members on Nadler’s committee — to basically pull shit stunts like this any time someone brings massive criming by Trump to light. By the time they’re done with their tantrums, the hope is that everyone has forgotten who was there to testify or why.
I couldn’t recall the exact phrasing and had to google, this was one of the first hits. Obviously not a source but I copy-pasted it shamelessly from there
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” – quoted by an Illinois native, Carl Sandburg, in The People, Yes (1936)
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” – quoted by an Illinois native, Carl Sandburg, in The People, Yes (1936)
Your link certainly says that Carl Sandburg came up with that line…but your source is wrong. The People, Yes is a book-length poem by Carl Sandburg, and the very-much-NOT-poetry statement about facts and law exists nowhere in it. (I just did a complete electronic scan of the text to check that. It ain’t there, nor any component of it.) The attribution to Sandburg is apocryphal. There is no evidence he ever said it, anywhere. The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.
The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.
When in doubt, give it to Lincoln.
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debbie
@germy:
Someone needs to ask Gym Jordan what he thinks about the document release showing that OSU covered up for Dr. Strauss for decades and whether he thinks there might be some “interesting” information about his own role in the cover-up. It only seems fair. //
My money thinks Gym Jordan won’t be in the House by election time, once all this information is absorbed by the public. What a loon that guy is. He seems to think that the fastest talker is automatically the correct person with the best facts!
Not so, Gym!!!
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dirge
@Connor: The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.
My father, an attorney, related it to me some time in the 80’s in the form: “When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. When the law is on your side, pound on the law. When you have neither, pound on the table.” IMHO, much snappier than the other variations I usually see going around.
Carl Sanburg wrote a multi-volume biography of Abraham Lincoln (read it while researching for a history paper in college like a billion years ago). The quote sounds like something Lincoln would have said, so I can believe it’s associated with Sanburg.
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Rex
@The Moar You Know: I had the same question. I want to know the rep who has those music chops.
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Cheryl Rofer
germy
“There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”
(Gohmert)
JPL
@Cheryl Rofer: That was disgusting.
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer: Can taking a dump on the table be far behind?
germy
@Baud: Depends. Will he fling it?
Anya
@germy: what a demented, racist asshole. No self respect or integrity.
bemused
Most 3 year olds are more mature.
oatler.
Have Gohmert ejected with extreme prejudice (“bum’s rush”).
Cheryl Rofer
Statement from Ayers and Zelensky, the whistleblowers.
Elizabelle
Thank you, Cheryl. Have this on in the background.
Big news day, eh? I guess they all are, these days.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@germy: Fling what, his Depends?
The Moar You Know
“Mr. Chairman, will you please have Gene Krupa removed?”
Oh my, someone’s a drummer. Would love to know who made that comment. I laughed my ass off (you gotta be a drummer or familiar with them to get it)
Gohmert’s no Gene Krupa.
Ruckus
@bemused:
More intellectually advanced as well.
What’s the old saying? If you don’t have anything positive to say, yell and scream like an infant, at least then the attention is away from the discussion. Of course it also shows how much you’ve developed since you were a snotty brat – none.
gene108
@Baud:
None of them are flexible enough to squat. It will be far behind.
hells littlest angel
Fatal drinking game: Take a shot every time Gym Jordan says, “Guess what?”
Elizabelle
@hells littlest angel: Hard pass. Sound off as soon as Jordan started his tantruming.
They cannot compel our attention. Same policy with Trump.
hueyplong
@The Moar You Know: My imbed wouldn’t play. Did he seriously call him Krupa? 1938 Carnegie Hall Krupa? Seriously?
germy
Someone should tell Nadler to speak into his mic.
germy
Gym Jordan is maskless?
Immanentize
@hueyplong: What’s the alternative? To call him Eric “Stumpy” Joe? I can wish, however, for the same fate for Gohmert.
feebog
Louie Gohmert reestablishing his claim on dumbest congressman. Ever.
wvng
I tried to watch. I really wanted to watch. But then gym Jordan started his stream of lies so I had to turn it off. Later turned it back on only to find Gohmert having a tantrum. It’s simply appalling.
JPL
@wvng: I mute when a republican is up..
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Cheryl Rofer:
Jesus fucking Christ….
“There’s no rules about when you can make noise.”
I assume his whining about the supposed “hypocrisy” of the Dems letting Ayer go 2 mins over is BS
rikyrah
are they having a hearing?
cut off their phucking mics- the GOP
Luciamia
@Elizabelle: Funny how Summer used to be a slow news time, even in a campaign. year. And I’m not even going back that far.
germy
Starfish
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): That was actually something that was said and not just Juicers making fun of Republicans? ?
Elizabelle
“Any member who refuses to wear a mask will not be recognized.”
WTG, Chairman Nadler! Every committee should follow that rule.
Elizabelle
Doug Collins is so damn loathesome. Mute.
germy
@Elizabelle: He’s not recognizing Gym Jordan? I turned it off.
JPL
I muted Collins, but I want to mention that he is running against Loeffler to finish Johnny Isaakson’s term. BTW He’s the more moderate of the two.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Elizabelle:
The asshole talking atm says he doesn’t have that authority apparently. And he’s trying to attack the credibility of Elias
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Starfish:
He literally did. I had the same thought you did at first
Elizabelle
Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee up now. Skewering Neomi Reo for hypocrisy now.
waspuppet
What’s the old saying about law, facts and pounding the table?
Also, I can’t be bothered to watch because we all know everything the Republicans will say is a lie and everything the Americans say will not go nearly far enough, but I do have one question: Are the Americans wearing masks and the Republicans not?
Elizabelle
Ah, Michael Mukasey is a witness. Came to this knowing nothing about this hearing …
Wag
I wonder how Gohmert will react when the Dems start banding on their desk when he tries to badger the witnesses?
germy
Senate confirms 200th judicial nominee from Trump, a legacy that will last well beyond November
(WaPo headline)
Zinsky
Democrats should be drafting new articles of impeachment and begin hearings immediately – Trump and Barr!
tokyokie
@germy:
Somebody should remind Gohmert that before Preston Brooks’ literal beat-down of Charles Sumner, neither house had an explicit rule forbidding bludgeoning an opponent.
germy
Gym Jordan might have other things on his mind:
SiubhanDuinne
Wish I had realised there was a thread up. I’ve been watching since first gavel.
Jordan, Collins, and Gohmert are really something else, aren’t they?
germy
Kelly
Listening while others speak is just another norm
germy
Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne: I am thinking about their high school teachers, specifically Jordan’s. And how he/she might be saying: I shudder at what I am seeing from a grown man. Oh well, at least there were other students …
Jordan is a bully, as is Collins. Cannot address Gohmert because missed that, thank dog.
Zinsky
Roger Stone should be re-sentenced and get the death penalty.
germy
p.a.
Is there a parliamentarian present or available in committee, or just gen’l session?
oatler.
“I’m going to ask you to turn off your radio when you’re on the phone.”
Aleta
Rep. Mike Johnson, LA “We would love to have hearings about the origins of the
collusion thingspecies.” (rage edit) (sorry)Kropacetic
Didn’t see any of it, but may I suggest class clown?
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
Woah if true.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Elizabelle:
Hopefully, the new unsealed testimony in the OSU Strauss scandal destroys Jordan. He had to have been involved in the cover up
Fraud Guy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): If the truth won’t set us free, at least it may put him in jail?
bemused
@Ruckus:
I think most 3 yr olds, we have 2 grandchildren that age, have a better sense of fairness, sharing, caring about others, manners, etc than R’s. Too bad we can’t force R’s to go back to basics and attend preschool before they go out in the adult world.
Kropacetic
Probably worked hard over their adult lives to forget those things for ideological reasons.
Sebastian
@waspuppet:
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” –Carl Sandburg
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
By the way, and this is very shallow and apropos of absolutely nothing, but I think John Elias is pretty cute.
Benw
@bemused: my cat has a better sense of decency than these assholes, and my cat spends most of it’s awake time trying to kill birds and chipmunks in my yard
Elizabelle
@SiubhanDuinne: He is. And one of the good ones, too
Yer friend,
Shallowbelle
Elizabelle
Uh. Matt Gaetz. On the positive side, he’s dressed in an outfit that would look great on a villain in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? It’s positively cinematic.
He just dragged Hillary Clinton’s name into this. Mute.
JPL
@Elizabelle: I turned it off.
Steeplejack
@germy:
A-fuckin’-men! Too many Dems wasting precious time.
patrick II
I’m going to guess that two of those judges were anxious to render a decision before the evidence was presented at the hearing today.
bemused
@Elizabelle:
If only we could send them, all of them, to preschool to learn the basics of fairness, sharing, manners and more. However, they’d all probably be the first preschool group to be expelled for incurable, permanent incorrigibility.
Roger Moore
@Benw:
Killing small animals is a cat’s job. If only the Republicans in Congress were as dedicated to the job of being legislators as your cat is to its job.
Elizabelle
@bemused: And they’d drink the paint on purpose. Because they can. So there.
I cannot believe this level of misbehavior does not make it to campaign ads.
We need a Lincoln Project for the states. Just put up their ridiculousness. Troy, Ohio: is this really what you want to send to Congress?
Steeplejack
@Sebastian:
Carl Sandburg? The poet Carl Sandburg?! Source or GTFO.
burnspbesq
@Anya:
The perfect representative for his shithole of a district.
Elizabelle
@germy: Missed it. Who did that?
bemused
@Elizabelle:
Ha, ha, true. Eating glue, bullies in the sandbox, etc.
Steeplejack
@Elizabelle:
I believe it was Sheila Jackson Lee.
jonas
There’s a reason the GOP leadership put their loudest, stupidest, and most disruptive members on Nadler’s committee — to basically pull shit stunts like this any time someone brings massive criming by Trump to light. By the time they’re done with their tantrums, the hope is that everyone has forgotten who was there to testify or why.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Elizabelle:
Of course, she has supplanted Carter and Obama as History’s Greatest Monster.
jonas
I think they are running some ads against Mitch McConnell.
Sebastian
@Steeplejack:
I couldn’t recall the exact phrasing and had to google, this was one of the first hits. Obviously not a source but I copy-pasted it shamelessly from there
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/when-shouting-replaces-substance
Sebastian
@Steeplejack:
Found it. Here you go.
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” – quoted by an Illinois native, Carl Sandburg, in The People, Yes (1936)
https://blawgreview.blogspot.com/2005/05/previewing-blawg-review-7.html?m=1
Elizabelle
@Steeplejack: Thank you. Will check that out later.
My slogan for the ads against the GOP idjits: “Send an adult to Congress. Please. Ohio can do better.”
Connor
Your link certainly says that Carl Sandburg came up with that line…but your source is wrong. The People, Yes is a book-length poem by Carl Sandburg, and the very-much-NOT-poetry statement about facts and law exists nowhere in it. (I just did a complete electronic scan of the text to check that. It ain’t there, nor any component of it.) The attribution to Sandburg is apocryphal. There is no evidence he ever said it, anywhere. The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.
Sebastian
@Connor:
fair enough and thank you for verifying. I was, as I stated above, merely copy-pasting from the Brennan Center :)
James E Powell
@Connor:
When in doubt, give it to Lincoln.
debbie
@germy:
Someone needs to ask Gym Jordan what he thinks about the document release showing that OSU covered up for Dr. Strauss for decades and whether he thinks there might be some “interesting” information about his own role in the cover-up. It only seems fair. //
J R in WV
@debbie:
My money thinks Gym Jordan won’t be in the House by election time, once all this information is absorbed by the public. What a loon that guy is. He seems to think that the fastest talker is automatically the correct person with the best facts!
Not so, Gym!!!
dirge
@Connor: The quote itself, with variations, has been bouncing around courts and the legal profession for more than a century and no one knows where it actually started.
My father, an attorney, related it to me some time in the 80’s in the form: “When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. When the law is on your side, pound on the law. When you have neither, pound on the table.” IMHO, much snappier than the other variations I usually see going around.
debbie
@J R in WV:
He’s head for a major public humiliation. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.
The Lodger
@The Moar You Know: He isn’t even Todd Rundgren.
I don’t want to work
I just wanna bang on the drums all day
debbie
@Connor:
@Sebastian:
Carl Sanburg wrote a multi-volume biography of Abraham Lincoln (read it while researching for a history paper in college like a billion years ago). The quote sounds like something Lincoln would have said, so I can believe it’s associated with Sanburg.
Rex
@The Moar You Know: I had the same question. I want to know the rep who has those music chops.