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You are here: Home / Past Elections / 2020 Elections / Open Thread: That’s Some Fine Trolling

Open Thread: That’s Some Fine Trolling

by TaMara|  August 28, 20202:18 pm| 220 Comments

This post is in: 2020 Elections, Biden-Harris 2020, Open Threads, Politics

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Donald Trump promised to be the greatest jobs president God ever created.

Instead, tens of millions of Americans are out of work and we're facing the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. #PromisesBroken https://t.co/JzjZu7KKRr

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) August 28, 2020

Joe Biden’s campaign has purchased the web domain that spells out President Donald Trump’s re-election slogan “Keep America Great” and filled the site with what it says are Trump's broken promises. https://t.co/TvGWrAgaHl

— Karine Jean-Pierre (@K_JeanPierre) August 28, 2020

Meanwhile, 2020 broke Jim Gaffigan and we’re all better for it.

hope y’all are happy you broke Jim Gaffigan pic.twitter.com/oOC2Qm87Ti

— Alice Hamilton (@AliceRHamilton) August 28, 2020

I already loved Jim Gaffigan long BEFORE he ran entirely out of fucks during trump's RNC.

Now I feel the need to go grab me some Hot Pockets. https://t.co/rSGIGZrLoh

— BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) August 28, 2020

His wife’s response ?

Okay fine

— Jim Gaffigan (@JimGaffigan) August 28, 2020

All of his NFLTG can be found here

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  1. 1.

    MJS

    August 28, 2020 at 2:25 pm

    I’m with Brooklyn Dad – loved Jim Gaffigan before (I can watch his specials repeatedly and still laugh at jokes I’ve heard numerous times), but now love him even more. I especially loved his takedown of Lou Holtz. Of all Trump supporters, I probably hate Catholic Trump supporters the most.

  2. 2.

    TaMara (HFG)

    August 28, 2020 at 2:28 pm

    @MJS: I just added his wife’s response to the Lou H. tweet. Priceless.

  3. 3.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 2:30 pm

    How perfect is the incompetence and lack of imagination of the Trumpie reëlection team that it never even fucking occurred to them to secure the “Keep America Great” domain name. I mean, how much could it cost — couple of million, tops, am I right?

    And how sprinkles-on-top perfect is it that the Biden team had the imagination to do a quick search, find the name was available, and snatch it up for their own use.

    I’m kind of in awe of both teams, for different reasons  

  4. 4.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    @MJS:

    Here’s how old and out of touch I am.  When I saw the name Lou Holtz, I thought it was this guy.

  5. 5.

    TaMara (HFG)

    August 28, 2020 at 2:32 pm

    Okay, I’m not allowed to surf the web anymore until I write 500 words. So I’ll check back in a week or two ?

    Writer’s block is real, my friends.

  6. 6.

    MJS

    August 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm

    @germy: Not a football fan, I take it. : )

  7. 7.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    @MJS:  Nope.

  8. 8.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 28, 2020 at 2:41 pm

    @MJS:

    @germy:

    I didn’t even know who he was. The guy’s 83 and he pretty much tarnished his reputation (hopefully) for nothing. I read he’s been active in GOP politics for some time; he also endorsed Trump in 2016, but I doubt most people know this about him. He just should’ve kept his mouth shut. Now everybody knows what an asshole he is and Notre Dame is distancing itself from him

  9. 9.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 2:42 pm

    Meanwhile, 2020 broke Jim Gaffigan and we’re all better for it.

    I want a high-res, framed print of that Twitter exchange.

  10. 10.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 2:46 pm

    I am clearly missing something important here, because all y’all are talking about Lou Holtz in connection with Jim Gaffigan, and I’m not seeing Lou Holtz anywhere in any of the Gaffigan tweets and I have no idea what you guys are talking about. What should I be looking for, and where?

  11. 11.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 28, 2020 at 2:47 pm

    Don’t tell Donny.

    More people watched @KamalaHarris speech last week than Trumps speech yesterday. https://t.co/nFra1UKZak— Bakari Sellers (@Bakari_Sellers) August 28, 2020

  12. 12.

    TaMara (HFG)

    August 28, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Here you go:

    Fuck Lou Holtz. Biden is Catholic in name only? Compared to who? How many abortions did trump pay for? How many women has he raped? How many times did pull the shit he did in Ukraine. Wake up. He’s a crook and a con man.

    — Jim Gaffigan (@JimGaffigan) August 28, 2020

  13. 13.

    MJS

    August 28, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: About 13 tweets in at the link provided, Jim takes issue with Lou Holtz’s description of Biden’s Catholicism. Jim’s a Catholic, too.

  14. 14.

    Percysowner

    August 28, 2020 at 2:52 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: That’s what is really going to leave a mark!

  15. 15.

    debbie

    August 28, 2020 at 2:55 pm

    Love all of this!

    I didn’t watch last night and didn’t stay up to watch Colbert, so all I know is what NPR and BBC have reported since then. My favorite is the image of Trump floating down the stairs to make his speech. I can’t help but be reminded of Disneyland’s Haunted House where the ghosts float down the staircase. Trump can’t join them soon enough for my liking.

  16. 16.

    MazeDancer

    August 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    Even though it is an Open Thread, slightly off topic. Was just rereading the, of course, now dead, Morning Thread – to get all the posted Voting Plans to illustrate – and learned some dreadful news. Which I missed when it came out in 2014.

    Marion Zimmer Bradley, a favorite author, wrote Mists of Avalon, was a horrible sexual abuser. To her daughter. And others. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jun/27/sff-community-marion-zimmer-bradley-daughter-accuses-abuse (Sorry, couldn’t get hidden link to work)

    Throwing away her books tonight.

    On topic: Way to troll ’em, Joe!

  17. 17.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    @TaMara (HFG):
    @MJS:
    Thanks to you both. I obviously didn’t dig down far enough, because none of it was making much sense to me.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    August 28, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I read that the Trump campaign did the same thing to our side in 2016.  Fool me once…

  19. 19.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 3:01 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: I’m actually a little surprised at the ratings.  I assumed enough people would tune in just for the spectacle of the thing.  Pleasantly surprised.

  20. 20.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 3:02 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    Yeah, I remember when that story first broke years ago. Horrific. I divested my library of MZB shortly thereafter. Wonder why the story has suddenly taken on new life.

  21. 21.

    Jinchi

    August 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: How perfect is the incompetence and lack of imagination of the Trumpie reëlection team that it never even fucking occurred to them to secure the “Keep America Great” domain name.

    Oh it probably occurred to them. Brad Parscale probably thought, ‘Hey I should secure that KAG domain’, but then he got distracted and got the gold plated mirrors for his Range Rover instead.

  22. 22.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    August 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    Good god that, she was totally fucked up. She even tried to help Breen to get access to a child he was interested in by adopting. What the ever living fuck?!

  23. 23.

    LuciaMia

    August 28, 2020 at 3:07 pm

    @Baud: In gathering ratings, do they simply go by someone initially tuning in, or they take into account the duration ?

  24. 24.

    Gravenstone

    August 28, 2020 at 3:08 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: In the thread being referenced, she was mentioned in a post for her history in being a founder of the Society for Creative Anachronisms. Her history of abuse and condoning abuse was brought up included in the same post.

  25. 25.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 3:10 pm

    Gaffigan bringing the heat. We stood backstage at Critics Choice doc awards show last Fall and I told him about Trump’s drug abuse as well. Jim is as smart as he is funny. And he has opened for the Pope which gives authority to say these things under Catholic law. @JimGaffigan https://t.co/1g2amK2GHc

    — NoelCaslerComedy (@CaslerNoel) August 28, 2020

  26. 26.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    @Baud: A lesson for the Baud!2024! campaign.

  27. 27.

    dmsilev

    August 28, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    How perfect is the incompetence and lack of imagination of the Trumpie reëlection team that it never even fucking occurred to them to secure the “Keep America Great” domain name. I mean, how much could it cost — couple of million, tops, am I right?

    If nobody else has registered the domain, a few tens of dollars tops.

  28. 28.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 3:11 pm

    @Baud: Trump’s popularity also dropped sharply this week, according to Rasmussen.  Possibly people did watch part of the Republican convention, hoping to hear the word “pandemic” (ideally somewhere near “plan”), and didn’t.

  29. 29.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    What we saw last night sums up so much of the Trump administration:

    A law-breaking convention on your dime, on the lawn of your house, to celebrate a president like a king for overseeing the needless deaths of 180,000 Americans—and counting. pic.twitter.com/qmoxmOLe4w

    — Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) August 28, 2020

  30. 30.

    dmsilev

    August 28, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    @Ken:

    hoping to hear the word “pandemic” (ideally somewhere near “plan”)

    Does “Plandemic” count? Asking for conspiracy theorists everywhere.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    @LuciaMia: I have no idea how they do it.  I’m just glad our numbers beat theirs because it’ll piss Trump off.

  32. 32.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    I see that http://www.makeamericagreatagainagain.com is taken, but it’s by a squatter.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 3:14 pm

    @germy: I’m starting to think America should have listened to her.

  34. 34.

    Frosty Fred

    August 28, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    @dmsilev:  I suspect you’re replying to an Arrested Development reference.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m canceling my order for the lions and elephants as we speak.

  36. 36.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 28, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    Pro-Life Lou, who is all about the Baybeez (like my fundie Catholic aunts) has no problem with children being tortured for being brown.

  37. 37.

    oatler.

    August 28, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    “A spoonful of butter helps the bugmeat go down.”

  38. 38.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 3:16 pm

    NEW: Judge voids 50,000 absentee ballot requests in Iowa county https://t.co/kIAXjq5K1A

    — Geoff Bennett (@GeoffRBennett) August 28, 2020

  39. 39.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    Rs probably tried to register the domain but became frustrated and gave up when it didn’t go through because they kept typing the suffix as .con.

    ;)

  40. 40.

    tokyokie

    August 28, 2020 at 3:19 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think Lou Holtz’s first big college coaching job was at North Carolina State, and in the capacity, he got to know Jesse Helms. Anyway, a few years down the line, he was the head coach at Arkansas, and he asked athletic director (and former head coach) Frank Broyles for permission to cut a campaign ad for Helms. Broyles forbade him from doing so, saying that Helms was a notorious racist and having a football coach so closely associated with him would damage the school’s chances of recruiting Black athletes. Holtz basically said, “Fuck you, I’m going to do the spot anyway,” and Broyles fired his racist ass. Broyles, being a gentlemanly sort, allowed Holtz to resign rather publicly face the ignominy of being fired for sucking up to racists, but Holtz was fired.

     

    I had always liked Broyles before then; he’d played for Don Faurot at Missouri (from which I graduated) and he was the college coach of Barry Switzer (the great coach at Oklahoma, for whom I’ve always rooted), but firing Holtz for being a racist POS really boosted him in my view. I’d disliked Holtz before then, other than his occasional upset of texass, but I’ve actively loathed the s.o.b. since learning of his association with Helms.

  41. 41.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 3:20 pm

    @Baud: The viewer numbers:

    • Biden 23.6 million
    • Harris 22.8 million (just 3.4% less than Biden)
    • Trump 21.6 million (5% less than Harris)
    • Pence 17.3 million (20% less than Trump)

    I’d say cue the pundits with their “drag on the ticket, who will replace Pence” columns, but only Democrats can be in disarray.

  42. 42.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    @germy: 
    That is really bad because of this – they had already sent them out.
    so you have a large number of people who have ballots that cannot be processed.

    Judge Ian Thornhill issued a temporary injunction ordering Linn County Auditor Joel Miller to notify voters in writing that the forms should not have been pre-filled with their information and cannot be processed. Instead, they’ll have to either fill out new requests for absentee ballots or vote on Election Day.

  43. 43.

    sdhays

    August 28, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    @Baud: When Dump makes every single day about himself, the spectacle value degrades. We have been inundated with Dump content for 5 years now. It’s boring now. Boring and awful.

    It’s well passed time to cancel the series.

  44. 44.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    Breaking News: Jacob Blake's attorney just told WISN-12 News Terry Sater the felony warrant against Blake has just been vacated, handcuffs removed in his hospital bed, and the deputies have left his room at Froedtert Hospital in Wauwatosa. @WISN12News #jacobblake pic.twitter.com/u7Bps247PJ— Terry Sater (@noozdude1) August 28, 2020

  45. 45.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 3:24 pm

    @tokyokie: but firing Holtz for being a racist POS really boosted him in my view.

    although he actually fired him for not obeying orders from his boss.

  46. 46.

    tokyokie

    August 28, 2020 at 3:31 pm

    @catclub: True, but the raison d’être for the order that Holtz defied was the damage to the program that could result from Holtz’s associating with a well-known racist. So it still comes down to Holtz being a racist POS.

    I might also point out that Arkansas hasn’t been worth a crap in football since dick-swinging alums forced Broyles out as A.D. (Broyles has since died, but Razorback football preceded him in death.)

  47. 47.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:38 pm

    @Baud: I’m actually a little surprised at the ratings.  I assumed enough people would tune in just for the spectacle of the thing.  Pleasantly surprised.

    The spectacle?  The spectacle of fascism?

  48. 48.

    Mike in NC

    August 28, 2020 at 3:42 pm

    My wife adores Jim Gaffigan and we’ve seen his Netflix shows. He famously used to say he didn’t want to touch on politics, but I guess nobody can be neutral about Fat Bastard.

    Has anybody asked how much the Washington Monument extravaganza last night cost us taxpayers?

  49. 49.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    @mrmoshpotato

    How went it with the ribs?

  50. 50.

    sdhays

    August 28, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: It worked for John Roberts of Fox. He was gratifying himself over the possibility of it becoming the norm for the incumbent President.

  51. 51.

    Jeffro

    August 28, 2020 at 3:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

     

    @dmsilev: nickel bet that trumpov’s team goes and buys a couple dozen juvenile anti-Biden site names (bidensadouche.com, etc) this weekend and then beats its collective chest about it.

    You know they will.

  52. 52.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    the Viewership stats don’t include stats on who was hate watching,…..

  53. 53.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    @sdhays: November 8, 2016 was the day to shitcan this series.

    “Sorry, test audience of 65,853,516 + 133,000 in MI, WI, and PA said to throw yourself into a volcano, Donnie Dipshit.”

  54. 54.

    waspuppet

    August 28, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    Gives No Fcks Richard Marx is also worth a follow.

  55. 55.

    Chyron HR

    August 28, 2020 at 3:46 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Isn’t that the only thing fascists are good at?

  56. 56.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 3:47 pm

    @Jay:

    Well, that’s good and all, but is the lawyer just going to let it sit there? That whole episode was horrifying in so many ways. Don’t just say “Okay, it’s over now.”

  57. 57.

    TaMara (HFG)

    August 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    @waspuppet: NFLTG Mark Hamill is still my most favorite.

  58. 58.

    mad citizen

    August 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    Lou Holtz: Not to mention his serial cheating while coaching: from Bleacher Report (2011) via googling: “Lou Holtz is typically not thought of as a dirty coach, but has left every program he coached at just before they were hit with NCAA probation.  NC State, Minnesota, Arkansas, Notre Dame, and South Carolina were all found to have violated NCAA rules while under the leadership of Holtz.”

    Holtz is and has been the biggest horse’s ass for decades.

  59. 59.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    @NotMax: They’ll be excellent.  (Cooking now, I was lazy.  And I’ve done the recipe before.) :)

  60. 60.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Sure. Hitler was evil, but he knew how to put on a show.

    As an aside, how lucky are we that the U.S. didn’t host an Olympics during Trump’s term.

  61. 61.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 28, 2020 at 3:50 pm

    The justice system fails people of color in so many unfathomable and unseen ways. This story, which I spent the last few weeks reporting, reveals a few of them.

  62. 62.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 3:50 pm

    this is a big set of polls for the politically addicted  I noticed at the bottom it included source code and data sources.  wow! wonderfully important if accurate.

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:50 pm

    @sdhays: Well, John Roberts can fuck himself with a running chainsaw.  Any questions?

  64. 64.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 3:51 pm

    New: Data shows right-wing vigilantes & paramilitaries have confronted or attacked anti-racist protesters about 500 times since cops killed George Floyd in May. This includes at least:

    64 assaults
    38 attacks by car
    9 shootings
    3 deaths

    https://t.co/NHn1cbbx3f#Kenosha— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 28, 2020

  65. 65.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 28, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Which would be so stupid. Nobody on our side is going to search for a site calling Biden or Kamala derogatory names, so the only people they might appeal to are their own true believers.

    But it’s highly probable that a Trump-inclined or Trump-curious person might google “Keep America Great” and see our messaging. And maybe we can change a few minds that way, or at least make people uneasy. I think it’s brilliant.

  66. 66.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    @Chyron HR: Spectacle and mass murder.

  67. 67.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    @Jay: how many arrests of the victims?

  68. 68.

    Redshift

    August 28, 2020 at 3:53 pm

    @Baud: I figure there’s some word of mouth involved like movie openings. Since people didn’t know exactly when the speech was going to start, they may have seen reports that it was a boring low-energy rehash of every campaign speech for months, and skipped it.

  69. 69.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 28, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: The spectacle?  The spectacle of fascism?

    What do you think are the parades, flags and  young men in totally NOT gay tight uniforms are about? Fascism sells itself threw spectacle.  Turns out Trump is less a Mussolini and more of a Mouselini.

  70. 70.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and an almost fanatical dedication to the pope.

  71. 71.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2020 at 3:54 pm

    JUST IN: House Majority Whip James Clyburn just confirmed that there will be a floor vote on a bill to federally legalize marijuana next month.https://t.co/xnjSIwdiNv pic.twitter.com/srbwu828mB

    — Tom Angell ??ⓥ (@tomangell) August 28, 2020

    Something something the parties are the same something something

    But if cops can’t hassle people for pot, what will they hassle them for? Having TikTok on their phones??

    (via Popehat)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  72. 72.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 3:55 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):I didn’t even know who he was. The guy’s 83 and he pretty much tarnished his reputation (hopefully) for nothing. I read he’s been active in GOP politics for some time; he also endorsed Trump in 2016, but I doubt most people know this about him. He just should’ve kept his mouth shut. Now everybody knows what an asshole he is and Notre Dame is distancing itself from him

    He’s always been an asshole, even back when he was coaching at Notre Dame or before that at Arkansas.   The asshole old white coach routine is just more tired and annoying today than it was a couple of decades ago when coaches like that were revered.

  73. 73.

    Obvious Russian Troll

    August 28, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    @tokyokie: I’ve hated Holtz for years, and I didn’t even know that.

    He was a terrible analyst after he retired from coaching, too. He was always blatantly promoting either Notre Dame or later his son Skip in various coaching jobs.

  74. 74.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 28, 2020 at 3:56 pm

    @Baud: True. My mother always said he was the most spellbinding public speaker she ever saw.

  75. 75.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    probably not. Bullshit charges quietly withdrawn are a standard Police/DA tactic to try to taint/slant the end result.

    As time rolls on, Kenosha will face millions upon millions of dollars in lawsuits, which will be settled with Taxpayers money, which will be taken from the school budget.

  76. 76.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    @Baud:

    As an aside, how lucky are we that the U.S. didn’t host an Olympics during Trump’s term 

    I live in Chicago.  We know.

  77. 77.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    @tokyokie: Thanks for that piece of history that I didn’t know about Holtz.  I’m just your average west coast football fan of a certain age who didn’t really notice Holtz until Arkansas.

    But my oldest daughter recently graduated from Arkansas and I attended a few football games there during her time when I visited on parent’s weekends.  It’s sort of surprising to me how much they suck recently give how enormous the facilities are and how nice the school actually is.  I actually happened to have taught their most recent QB Ben Hicks when he was in my HS physics class back in Texas.

  78. 78.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    “There just isn’t anything else to compare it to,” @areidross said. “I’ve never seen anything like this in my life.” Ross said the data includes abt 2 dozen instances of cops supporting or collaborating with right-wing vigilantes & paramilitaries. https://t.co/NHn1cbbx3f— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 28, 2020

  79. 79.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: The spectacle? The spectacle of fascism?

    Certainly not by this cut-rate crew.  Ivanka’s Chinese-made knockoffs don’t hold a candle to Hugo Boss, to begin with.  And there’s already been enough discussion of the wrinkled flags.

    @Gin & Tonic: My mother always said he was the most spellbinding public speaker she ever saw.

    Oh, don’t get me started. I don’t think half of those RNC speakers even looked at their speeches in advance, much less rehearsed in front of cameras like Hitler did to refine their gestures, tone, and delivery.

  80. 80.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm

    Triple grrr. Message left on answering machine from robocall scam scum. “Your credit card has been charged $399 for PC protection. Call this number if you want to dispute this charge.”

    Jackals, of course, will recognize this as bogus. If you have elderly relatives though, wouldn’t hurt to contact them to forewarn them about the revival of this criminal practice and tell them hang up if such a call is received.

  81. 81.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    lgm has an article  that referred to another article on what is really in the GOP platform that is here,

    by David Frum.  It lists what the GOP really believes but does not advertise too heavily.

    I would argue that at the moment, number 12 should be number 2. Number one is of course lower taxes for rich people.

    12) The country is gripped by a surge of crime and lawlessness as a result of the Black Lives Matter movement and its criticism of police. Police misconduct, such as that in the George Floyd case, should be punished. But the priority now should be to stop crime by empowering police.

  82. 82.

    Calouste

    August 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    @Baud: Well, the 2020 Olympics have been postponed until 2021, if they take place at all. So they wouldn’t have happened during this presidential term.

  83. 83.

    Obvious Russian Troll

    August 28, 2020 at 4:07 pm

    @mad citizen: Holtz also ranted about coaches leaving schools for new jobs before their teams played in bowl games. Predictably, though, Holtz had done exactly that when he left Minnesota for the Notre Dame job before Minnesota played its bowl game.

    But that was different because it was his dream job (eye roll, wanking motion).

  84. 84.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 4:08 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: The Chicago Olympics bid was for Obama’s term. Or did you mean that any city should be grateful for not playing host to the Olympics, given the horrendous costs and inconvenience?

  85. 85.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 4:09 pm

    @Ken:  …rehearsed in front of cameras like Hitler did so he could refine his gestures and tones.

    Adolph used that trick where he would begin the speech very quietly, with lots of pauses.  Audience would lean forward trying to get every word, and then he’d get louder and more dramatic until he was yelling and arm waving at the end.

    Off topic, but I notice when Rose McGowan gives a speech, she pumps her fist up and down the way the 1920s/30s fascists did.

  86. 86.

    gene108

    August 28, 2020 at 4:12 pm

    @tokyokie:

    I’m an NCSU alum. Holtz coached there for 3 years in the early to mid-70’s, before taking up a head coaching job in the NFL (I think with the Jets) for a couple of years.

    I did not know he was such a big Helms supporter.

    Really changes my view of him.

  87. 87.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    @catclub:

    if you include those who experienced the fear and trauma of not only the violent attacks, but also the Cop Riots, then the numbers are in the thousands.

    most of the charges get eventually dropped or the victims acquitted, (1st Amendment), but only after,

    – a period of detention, ( now with Covid exposure)

    – usury bail conditions,

    – surrendering their freedom of association and 1st Amendment rights until the State drops the charges or they are acquitted.

    it’s a form of punitive punishment exacted by the State but is selectively applied.

  88. 88.

    raven

    August 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    @tokyokie: God, I flew down there from Champaign when we played at Faurot Field in 83. Remember Shorthose?

  89. 89.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    @NotMax:

    Triple grrr. Message left on answering machine from robocall scam scum. “Your credit card has been charged $399 for PC protection. Call this number if you want to dispute this charge.”

    Jackals, of course, will recognize this as bogus. If you have elderly relatives though, wouldn’t hurt to contact them to forewarn them about the revival of this criminal practice and tell them hang up if such a call is received.

    The past couple days I have gotten two text messages from 667 area code (Maryland) stating the following:

    Kent, we found a parcel from May pending for you.  Please assume ownership and schedule for delivery here: [weird looking URL]

    I’m convinced they have to be scam text messages and I just blocked the number.  Nothing I ever ordered from May never arrived, and any legit company would identify itself in the text message if they even sent one.

  90. 90.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 28, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    Thread: one of the reasons I love covering House races is that analyzing things at a district level can reveal a lot of micro-trends before they show up nationally or even statewide…

  91. 91.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    A report from @BrennanCenter's Mike German also details extensive ties between cops & fascists “In a time when the effort to defund police is getting some salience, the police are behaving in such a way as to justify that argument” German told @samtlevin https://t.co/subgfuu4Z5— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 28, 2020

  92. 92.

    raven

    August 28, 2020 at 4:16 pm

    Has anyone noted that the three people shot in Kenosha were white?  I don’t mean here but it doesn’t seem to be of note.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 28, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:  Because of course his lawyer can do everything in one day…..

  94. 94.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:19 pm

    @Ken: The 1984 Los Angeles Olympics ran a profit.  We didn’t build a whole new set of facilities.  We’ll probably do it the same way for 2028.

  95. 95.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:20 pm

    Gaige Grosskreutz, who it seems won't die and will probably keep his arm—after major surgery and without his bicep—is a 26 year old trained paramedic. https://t.co/xaHJLA13Q2— Eric Rauchway (@rauchway) August 28, 2020

  96. 96.

    Baud

    August 28, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    @Calouste: Trump would not have postponed the Olympics.  Team USA would have won every medal!

  97. 97.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 28, 2020 at 4:21 pm

    DESUS & MERO We’re not saying everybody at the RNC was on something…but we’re not NOT saying that either.

  98. 98.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 4:23 pm

    @Kent

    The area code (and number) is likely bogus. That can be spoofed. They’re going for entry to your computer.

    Have read that in some sections of Canada, as there can be a 5 to 10 second delay after one hangs up before the line is cleared that some of these villains play a recording of a dial tone so the unwary who immediately try to call their credit card company on its legit number out of worry are redirected to another scam number instead.

  99. 99.

    The Thin Black Duke

    August 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    @raven: I think that’s on purpose. It would negate the narrative they’re trying to construct of this punk being in fear of his life of the savage black mob.

  100. 100.

    Calouste

    August 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm

    I love the plan of the NBA to open their arenas as polling stations (and hopefully other leagues will follow). Obviously the arenas are good locations, large, tend to have easy access etc. But also the teams and the players have massive audiences, so anything that happens at those polling places that is out of order will get a lot of attention. And I assume players will be there and people will go to vote just to meet them in person.

  101. 101.

    Calouste

    August 28, 2020 at 4:26 pm

    @Baud: Nah, the Russians would still have shown up.

  102. 102.

    Redshift

    August 28, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    I am so infuriated by this both-sides article from the Post this morning, “U.S. political divide becomes increasingly violent, rattling activists and police”

    Violence cited involving progressives: property damage, “clashes between opposing protesters in scattered cities,” and a truck driver got beaten up, all of which happened weeks ago, so not “increasing.”

    Violence cited involving right-wingers: shooting people dead, hundreds of armed counter protesters showing up and threatening or assaulting protesters, claiming that they are angry because of things “shown on the news”. (Article includes no questions about which news, which might have revealed how Fox has become Radio Rwanda.)

    Anti-police brutality protesters didn’t die of “political divide.” Grrr…

    Plus sympathetic reporting of police saying the “don’t have the manpower” to protect protesters from armed yahoos.

  103. 103.

    raven

    August 28, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Best traffic in modern LA history, Uberroth  scared people into closing so many businesses it was a breeze. When the russians bailed they had a ticket fair at the Forum. My brother was in law school in Sacramento and I was getting ready to move down here. We both called my mom in Hawthorne and had her go and buy tickets to everything we could get. Third row in the Coliseum for Moses gold medal, basketball, boxing, swimming, soccer, baseball. . .it was awesome! This was Joanie Benoit getting her gold medal for the marathon that they ran that morning!

  104. 104.

    raven

    August 28, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: Guess you are right.

  105. 105.

    Kay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:28 pm

    @Calouste:

    Politics can be so grim and miserable now, too. When people say they “hate it” they mean it- they really do hate it. This is just plain positive.

  106. 106.

    Fair Economist

    August 28, 2020 at 4:29 pm

    @MazeDancer:

    Marion Zimmer Bradley, a favorite author, wrote Mists of Avalon, was a horrible sexual abuser. To her daughter. And others.

    Oh, fuck. I knew she had associated with some sex abusers, but I didn’t know about direct accusations against her. How awful. Fortunately I’d cleaned out all my MZB years ago because I’d basically had my fill of her writing

    Edit, dang, she’s been dead 20 years? Where does the time go?

  107. 107.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:32 pm

    @raven:

    Protestors have a “system” set up where once the Cops declare a riot, unlawful gathering, blocking the street, blocking the sidewalk, blocking the entrance to a public building,

    BIPOC protestors, who face much greater risks, who don’t want to stand in front, move to the back and white protestors move to the front, on the assumption that the Cops are much less likely to murder them.

    eg: The Portland Suburban Moms and the Portland Lawn Order Leafblower Brigaide.

  108. 108.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 4:32 pm

    Recent FYWP update is playing hob with the front page. Mucho annoying.

  109. 109.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 28, 2020 at 4:32 pm

    @TaMara (HFG): To assholes like Holtz, anyone who isn’t actively trying to drag the One Holy Catholic And Apostolic Church back to the 15th century is a “Catholic in Name Only.”

    I fear for Pope Frankie.

  110. 110.

    WaterGirl

    August 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm

    @Another Scott: I really hope that people are smart enough to watch what everybody DOES and not just believe what they SAY.

    edit: By “everybody” I meant political parties and their representatives.

  111. 111.

    Kay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm

    @Redshift:

    police saying the “don’t have the manpower”

    I don’t believe them. I think they’re deliberately not intervening in the looting/property damage because they’re pissed off and they think the looting/property damage harms the cause of the protesters, which it does. They’re policing this very selectively.

  112. 112.

    BruceFromOhio

    August 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm

    @SubaruDiane:

    I’m kind of in awe of both teams, for different reasons.

    That’s what I was thinking, too. Some intrepid staff thought to look, I can imagine the elation when GoDaddy or ICANN or whatever came up all cherries. All it takes is an email address and a credit card, and the stupid fascist rubes couldn’t even handle that.

  113. 113.

    raven

    August 28, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    @Jay: Didn’t work out so well.

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    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 4:34 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:@Ken: The 1984 Los Angeles Olympics ran a profit.  We didn’t build a whole new set of facilities.  We’ll probably do it the same way for 2028.

    You are building them now with your tax dollars.  They just hide it by using tax rebate schemes rather than direct subsidies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoFi_Stadium (private funding but massive tax subsidies from Inglewood and Federal taxpayers)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banc_of_California_Stadium  (more tax breaks)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum ($300 million recent remodel funded mostly by USC with tax-exempt donations)

    And so forth.

  115. 115.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:35 pm

    @raven: Business didn’t close they went to flex hours, so it staggered the commute.

  116. 116.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:36 pm

    Joseph Rosenbaum, shot in the head, is survived by his fiancée and a two year old daughter https://t.co/sZyHTvpkgt— Eric Rauchway (@rauchway) August 28, 2020

  117. 117.

    hueyplong

    August 28, 2020 at 4:38 pm

    Holtz has been, is, and ever shall be a repugnant POS.  Of course he’s a trumper.

    Next you’ll be telling me there is something not quite right about Sean Hannity.

  118. 118.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    @Kent: They are being built for other purposes and will be used for the Olympics.  What we did not do in 1984(or will do in 2028) is build massive facilities JUST for the Olympics.

  119. 119.

    WaterGirl

    August 28, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    @NotMax: What WordPress update?

  120. 120.

    MattF

    August 28, 2020 at 4:39 pm

    @Kent: I just got a call with a recorded message saying my electricity would be shut off in 45 minutes because of an unpaid bill. ‘Recorded message’ because I only pick up the phone to answer calls from people I know.

  121. 121.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    @raven:

    when I go to protests here, as a Street Medic, I know full well that the Red Cross on my back and Yellow Hardhat is seen by Cops and Nazis as an alluring Target.

    Still I go.

    Heather Hayer’s murder only came as a “surprise” to people not in the Movement. Every time we take to the streets, we fully expect to be murdered, by either the Cops or the Nazis.

  122. 122.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    On the lack of social distancing or face masks at Trump’s #RNC2020 acceptance speech in the middle of the deadly coronavirus pandemic, a senior White House official tells @Acosta: “Everybody is going to catch this thing eventually.” ? pic.twitter.com/0T5e6r3BSx

    — Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) August 28, 2020

  123. 123.

    Miss Bianca

    August 28, 2020 at 4:42 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Oh, Jesus Christ, that might be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen. Those two guys are KILLING it, I am DEAD!!

  124. 124.

    Jeffro

    August 28, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I didn’t say it was a good strategy… =)

  125. 125.

    RobertB

    August 28, 2020 at 4:44 pm

    @raven: My brothers and I all ate free McDonald’s for a month off of their Olympics promotion (I was a college kid then, I was allowed).  A Gold for the US gets you a Big Mac, etc.  Since the Warsaw Pact countries sat that one out, the US won just about everything.  Towards the end we’d just give them three random tickets for a Big Mac, fries, and Coke.

  126. 126.

    James E Powell

    August 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    Just out of curiosity – because he was trending on twitter – I read Andrew Sullivan’s rant about how Democrats have walked into a trap and Biden needs a Sister Souljay moment of clarity. I knew it was a bad idea, but I did it anyway.

    Apart from being an a hole, that guy is really stuck in a “Forever 1998, Democrats have to reach out to religious people, quotes from undergrad philosophy classes make me an intellectual” frame of mind.

  127. 127.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    @WaterGirl

    Probably version 5.5 “Eckstine” which rolled out beginning August 11.

  128. 128.

    Redshift

    August 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    @Kay: I don’t believe them either. I read the quote as intended to say “how can anyone want to defund us when we clearly already don’t have enough manpower?” which made the credulous reporting all the more infuriating.

    And also in light of the wingnut “these people risk their lives, so we should not question anything they do,” here they’re refusing to act against armed groups because it would be too dangerous.

  129. 129.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: By the way.  We just got back from a road trip through your part of the world to visit some colleges with my daughter.  We stayed for a few days in Pasadena and visited:  USC, Occidental, LMU, and the Claremont Colleges.  Daughter liked Occidental the best of all the campuses we visited on DIY self-directed tours with no students present.

    I never actually spent time in the greater LA area doing anything more than passing through or flying out of LAX.  I must say I was pleasantly surprised at how urban much of the suburban areas are and how nice it is.  I thought the Eagle Rock neighborhood around Occidental was especially interesting and looked like a cool place to go to school.   By contrast, Claremont out in the suburbs reminded me of Plano TX, which is not a good thing.

    If she doesn’t stay here in the Pacific Northwest for college, I think Occidental would be her first choice for CA schools.  She liked it more than any of the bay area schools we visited (Santa Clara, USF, Stanford).  I personally thought that part of LA was very cool and not a place I had ever visited before.

  130. 130.

    dmsilev

    August 28, 2020 at 4:49 pm

    @germy: The “herd immunity” people tend to gloss over the few million dead people needed to get there.

  131. 131.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:49 pm

    @Kent: Also note the Mausoleum remodel is to optimize the facility for FOOTBALL with luxury boxes and such, actually making it less useful for the Olympics.  The opening and closing will be at SoFi, not at the Mausoleum like they were in 1932 and 1984.

  132. 132.

    germy

    August 28, 2020 at 4:50 pm

    @James E Powell:

    Sullivan was arrested for possession of drugs and in danger of being deported. He evidently pulled some strings and evaded legal consequences. Fascists think they are above the law but everyone else is not. https://t.co/uO819PEbzQ— Susan of Texas (@SusanofTexas) August 28, 2020

    Law and Order

  133. 133.

    Redshift

    August 28, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    @James E Powell: I’m so glad I first encountered Sullivan in reference to The Bell Curve, so I never started taking him seriously.

  134. 134.

    Kay

    August 28, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @Redshift:

    They absolutely do selective policing and always have. They’ll tell you they do. They are mightily pissed off because they think they are being disrespected and they have decided which parts of the job to do.

  135. 135.

    Uncle Cosmo

    August 28, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @catclub: @germy:
    That is really bad because of this – they had already sent them out.
    so you have a large number of people who have ballots that cannot be processed.

    Wrong. What “they had already sent out” were requests for absentee ballots. There is no evidence that anyone has returned such a request and been sent a ballot.

    So they send out new requests for absentee ballots, along with a note:

    The courts have said we can’t accept the requests that we originally mailed to you, with all the information filled out. In order to receive an absentee ballot, you would need to fill out the blank request enclosed with your information and return it to us.

    PS. You might check the information filled in on the original requests against your records, and if it turns out to be correct, you can just copy those entries into the corresponding blanks on the enclosed form. Yes, it’s a pain in the neck, but the court requires it.

    I don’t know if they could get away with that PS, but it would be a satisfying way to shove a huge middle finger into the face of that “judge.”

  136. 136.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:52 pm

    @Kent: Oxy is about 5 miles from the world HQ of BillinGlendaleCA.  I’ve never been to the campus, though I’ve thought I might try and do some shots there.  You know who went to Oxy, right?

    I’ve been to Plano, Satan had a big facility out there.

  137. 137.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 4:54 pm

    @dmsilev: It’s a small price(more that ALL of the US war dead) to pay for FREEDUMB!

  138. 138.

    gene108

    August 28, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    @Kent:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Memorial_Coliseum ($300 million recent remodel funded mostly by USC with tax-exempt donations)

    Why should the donations to a not-for-profit university be taxed?

  139. 139.

    Brachiator

    August 28, 2020 at 4:55 pm

    @raven:

    Best traffic in modern LA history, Uberroth  scared people into closing so many businesses it was a breeze.

    A lot of people went on vacation or stayed away from Olympic venues. Some businesses decided to close. Bad decision.

    There was good public transportation to many venues. Most creatively, some major streets became one-way, so you could just zoom from work to home or to various sites.

    The area around the Coliseum, in particular, was very well used. I was able to go to a lot of track and field and swimming events. The 1984 games were a delight and hassle free.

  140. 140.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    @Uncle Cosmo: Thanks for the correction.

  141. 141.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 4:56 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Yep.  Dedicated football fields are narrower than soccer fields and especially narrower than Olympic size tracks for track and field.   So when you bring those sidelines closer to make the stadium more intimate for football you eliminate the ability to do track and field.

    UW did the same thing recently with their remodel of Husky Stadium which used to have a running track and forced the sidelines back.  They dug out the playing field another 20-30 ft so they could bring the sidelines down closer to the action and sacrificed the track.  So they had to build a new track stadium nearby.

    People are also getting fatter so when they replace the bench seating built in the 1930s with box seating with arm rests and drink holders they lose 10-20% of the seats.

    I don’t know exactly what they did with the Coliseum but I expect it was similar.

  142. 142.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 4:59 pm

    @Ken: I’ve become fascinated by Billy Sunday as a speaker.  Especially his hands:

     

     Billy Sunday — Take the Pledge

  143. 143.

    dmsilev

    August 28, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: 

    You know who went to Oxy, right?

    The answer to these sorts of questions is always ‘Hitler’, right?

  144. 144.

    Another Scott

    August 28, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/poll-projection-biden-has-88-chance-of-winning/

    Pretty graphs. :-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  145. 145.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:01 pm

    @gene108:Why should the donations to a not-for-profit university be taxed?

    When they go to actually providing education and serving a non-profit public objective then fine.  Don’t tax them.

    But when it is rich boosters getting huge tax breaks to fund sports palaces for quasi-professional sports teams I’m not sure what public good is being served.  If a billionaire booster gets a $1 million tax break when donating to the construction of luxury sky boxes at the LA coliseum, what is the public good being served?  These are public dollars and the rest of us have to pick up the slack

    USC spent $315 million remodeling the Coliseum.  How much of that was covered by taxpayer subsidies via tax deductions?  30%?

  146. 146.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @Kent: They lowered the field at the Mausoleum shortly after the Olympics, this renovation is for luxury boxes and amenities.  One good thing is they’re getting rid of the huge jumbotrons on each side of the  peristyle that ruins the sight lines.

  147. 147.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @raven: I just discussed the fact that the Kenosha victims were white in my classes today!  I first asked if anyone had seen pictures.  And if they had, I asked them not to answer.  Then I asked what race the students thought the victims were.

    I love my students. In both classes someone spoke up and said, until you started this convo., I thought they were AA…. But the two killed were white red heads — I always have some Irish boys in my classes to point to. It shocks them!

  148. 148.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 5:04 pm

    @Redshift:

    they’re refusing to act against armed groups because it would be too dangerous.

    At Charlottesville, the Police Helicopter crew who later crashed and died, were caught on mike saying how great it would be if they had a chance to murder some of the anti-Facist counter protestors.

  149. 149.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:05 pm

    @dmsilev: I’ve been told he’s like Hitler*, but a portion of the 134 is named for him.

    *At least that’s what Republicans say.

  150. 150.

    VeniceRiley

    August 28, 2020 at 5:08 pm

    @germy: Sullivan needed weed because it helped him with his HIV.

  151. 151.

    Raoul Paste

    August 28, 2020 at 5:09 pm

    Late to the thread, but I had to mention a Trump ad that I just saw claiming that donations would be matched by a factor of 600

    Everything is a scam with these people

  152. 152.

    catclub

    August 28, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    @Kent: But when it is rich boosters getting huge tax breaks to fund sports palaces for quasi-professional sports teams I’m not sure what public good is being served.

    combing out charitable donations that go for ‘good’ charity versus

    donations that mostly  benefit rich people is tough. Nobody wants to bother with saying that donations to the opera are not tax deductible.

  153. 153.

    Mike in NC

    August 28, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    Nobody should ever forget that one of Trump’s first appearances in 2017 was before some police group, where he said of suspects, “don’t be afraid of roughing them up a little”. As a rich prick, Trump has been protected by the cops his entire life.

  154. 154.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    @Kent: Oxy is about 5 miles from the world HQ of BillinGlendaleCA.  I’ve never been to the campus, though I’ve thought I might try and do some shots there.  You know who went to Oxy, right?

    I’ve been to Plano, Satan had a big facility out there.

    Yep.   Daughter got the requisite selfie at the Obama plaza that commemorates the spot where he gave his very first public speech, which if I remember the plaque, his first public speech was on college divestment from South Africa.

    I found the campus to be one of the prettiest we have visited.  It’s hilly with views of the city and has lots of little natural area niches where students can hang out.  It’s the requisite mission style architecture that all CA universities apparently must follow by law.  But they did a nicer job of it than most of the others.  I’d like to go back after the pandemic and try some of the breweries there in Eagle Rock that looked pretty cool.

    I bet you could get some great shots around campus right now.  It is technically closed and they have signs up, but people from the community were still out strolling through campus, walking dogs, etc.  I emailed the school beforehand to ask and they said we were free to walk around if we socially distanced and didn’t enter any buildings.  The landscaping and trees are immaculate.

    I was expecting her to like the Claremont colleges more.  But Occidental was definitely the winner based on what you can see of the campuses without students present.  I think it kind of flies under the radar compared to Pomona and the big schools like USC and UCLA.

  155. 155.

    James E Powell

    August 28, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Sometimes it’s Babe Ruth.

  156. 156.

    Jay

    August 28, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    The Kenosha shooter's actions are his own, but he wasn't acting in a vacuum. Right-wing voices exploited Facebook's lax standards and successfully incited violence – and with people already praising the actions of this killer, it's just a matter of time before it happens again. pic.twitter.com/WuPFRUK6pX— Guns Down America (@GunsDownAmerica) August 28, 2020

  157. 157.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    @Jay: You really need to give us a link to a credible source for that shit.  Now

  158. 158.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:14 pm

    @catclub:

    combing out charitable donations that go for ‘good’ charity versus

    donations that mostly  benefit rich people is tough. Nobody wants to bother with saying that donations to the opera are not tax deductible.

    That’s not my point.  I’m not even advocating that.  Although I do question how schools like Harvard with a $40 BILLION endowment really deserve continued tax breaks.   My point was that tax payers have spent billions on the construction of athletic facilities in LA in advance of the Olympics, even if technically none of it was direct subsidies.  They have learned it is easier to feed from the public trough through the back door rather than up front where it gathers more notice.

  159. 159.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    @Kent:

     It’s the requisite mission style architecture that all CA universities apparently must follow by law.

    Not UCLA.

  160. 160.

    Jeffro

    August 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    @germy: Reporters really should have some basic math facts and Covid-19 death rates handy.  Should this ‘senior White House official’s judgment come to pass, we’d be looking at anywhere from 3-9 million dead Americans.

    Ah well.  “Let them eat hydroxychloroquine”

  161. 161.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    @James E Powell: “Loudest boos, cheapest seats.”

  162. 162.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    August 28, 2020 at 5:16 pm

    Speaking of website trolling, if you type in the orange menaces name and add a bunch of random letters after .com it takes you to a “you’re as confused as Biden” page.  I don’t like it but it’s clever for those douchebags.

  163. 163.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 28, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    @Immanentize: I’ve found my blood pressure is lower if I just scroll past the pearls dropped by our Canadian friend.

  164. 164.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    @Kent: My point is the facilities were planned and in some cases under construction before LA bid for the 2028 Olympics.  The facilities may be used for the Olympics but they were constructed independent of the Olympics being in LA.  The same is true of the Mausoleum for the 1932 Olympics.

  165. 165.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 28, 2020 at 5:20 pm

    @Another Scott: and informative.  It also inline out with a lot of what I’ve seen.

    What the heck happened to 538? The website looks like modern art were you have to be among the initiated to understand it.

  166. 166.

    Doug R

    August 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    @Ken: 

    The Chicago Olympics bid was for Obama’s term. Or did you mean that any city should be grateful for not playing host to the Olympics, given the horrendous costs and inconvenience?

    Hey, we got a train to the airport and Richmond in 2010, plus a ….speed skating oval?
    Someone did the math and it would have been cheaper to fly speed skaters to Calgary every day of the Olympics rather than build the oval. But Richmond turned it into an athletics place
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Olympic_Oval

  167. 167.

    dmsilev

    August 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    @Raoul Paste:

    Late to the thread, but I had to mention a Trump ad that I just saw claiming that donations would be matched by a factor of 600

    This matching thing just keeps escalating, doesn’t it? How long until ‘we’ll match ONE MILLION TIMES’ shows up? Late September, probably.

  168. 168.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Really?  You don’t call this Spanish Mission style?  https://equity.ucla.edu/ucla-aerial-view/

  169. 169.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 5:21 pm

    @Gin & Tonic

    This.

  170. 170.

    natem

    August 28, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    I’m a Bruin through and through, but Oxy is a pretty campus that integrates well into its neighborhood. The Eagle Rock community overall has gone through some interesting changes in the last 20 years, most of them for the better. The only problem is limited public transit. Which is an LA problem, really.

  171. 171.

    natem

    August 28, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    @Kent: It’s supposed to be Italian Renaissance.

  172. 172.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    @James E Powell: Shorter Sullivan as pre-imagined by Gang of Four:

    Discipline, is his passion
    Now, he says there’s none
    Order, his obsession
    Order, his obsession
    Now, he says there’s none

    Outside the trains don’t run on time
    He believes it’s no coincidence
    He thinks sunblock will track him down
    Home, it’s no castle
    He wants his wife, to run, and fetch
    Order
    The trains don’t run on time

  173. 173.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:23 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:@Kent: My point is the facilities were planned and in some cases under construction before LA bid for the 2028 Olympics.  The facilities may be used for the Olympics but they were constructed independent of the Olympics being in LA.  The same is true of the Mausoleum for the 1932 Olympics.

    Oh, I’m agreeing with you.  I’m just pointing out that the public is still helping pay for for all those new sports palaces.  Except that none of those costs will be counted on the future ledger for the 2028 Olympics when LA tells us how they made a profit or broke even or whatever.

  174. 174.

    Hoppie

    August 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    @Brachiator: 1984 was also when they invented car-pool lanes.  For the win!

  175. 175.

    Immanentize

    August 28, 2020 at 5:25 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: Tru Dat.  And words to actually live by.

  176. 176.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 5:26 pm

    @natem:@Kent: It’s supposed to be Italian Renaissance.

    OK, I stand corrected.   I’m not an architecture expert.  I just see all these CA schools with red tile roofs and Catholic-looking structures and think Spanish Mission.  I guess the true Spanish Mission look is like Santa Clara University which has the adobe style beige walls with red tile roofs:  https://www.scu.edu/

  177. 177.

    satby

    August 28, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Oh hell no, they’re going to sue the shit out of Kenosha.

  178. 178.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 5:29 pm

    @Raoul Paste: a Trump ad that I just saw claiming that donations would be matched by a factor of 600

    “Every dollar you donate will be matched by 600 kobo thanks to a wealthy foreign prince who contacted us by e-mail!”

  179. 179.

    natem

    August 28, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    @Kent:

    Spanish mission revival is popular in SoCal. And yes, a little too ubiquitous for my taste. I am much more inclined toward the Arts and Crafts architecture, which is also fairly common, but mostly in the pre-WWII developed areas.

  180. 180.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 5:34 pm

    @Doug R: Someone did the math and it would have been cheaper to fly speed skaters to Calgary every day of the Olympics rather than build the oval.

    I could see the next Olympics being distributed across the globe, depending on the pandemic.  Each sport in a different city, with a bubble that includes the venue and the athletes’ hotel, arrive two weeks early for quarantine.

  181. 181.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 5:35 pm

    @Ken

    Matched by whom? From where? What mechanism is there to confirm it occurred? There’s a limit on the amount which can be donated by any single entity.

    Whole thing doesn’t pass a cursory sniff test.

  182. 182.

    Bluegirlfromwyo

    August 28, 2020 at 5:35 pm

    @dmsilev: Not to mention the tens of millions flooding the hospitals. Funny since the overlap between the we only shut down to keep from overwhelming hospitals and the herd immunity crowd is a near perfect circle.

  183. 183.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    @Raoul Paste:

    Trump ad that I just saw claiming that donations would be matched by a factor of 600

    *donates $10 to Biden, waits for orange fuckface’s 6K donation to Joe

  184. 184.

    Calouste

    August 28, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    @Redshift: 
    Police always seems to have the manpower when five or six officers show up to give a black guy a parking ticket. Funny that.

  185. 185.

    Ken

    August 28, 2020 at 5:41 pm

    @NotMax: I was riffing on the Nigerian prince email scams, but I guess I was too subtle. The kobo is the Nigerian equivalent of a penny, and 600 of them would be under half a US cent.

  186. 186.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 5:43 pm

    @Ken

    Didn’t escape notice. Was responding generally to the topic and yours was the most recent to also do so beforehand.

  187. 187.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:44 pm

    @Kent: No, it’s Italian Renaissance, mission style doesn’t use brick.

  188. 188.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 5:45 pm

    @Ken: I meant given what a hose job getting the Olympics is, I’ll be good if we never get them.  (Even long after I’m pushing up daisies.)

    ETA – and that really goes for any city.

  189. 189.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:45 pm

    @Kent: That’s Spanish Mission style.

  190. 190.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:48 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: It’s worked for LA both times we’ve had them here.

  191. 191.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    @natem: Art Deco or GTFO!

  192. 192.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 5:49 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    No argument with your Missionary position.

    :)

  193. 193.

    Patricia Kayden

    August 28, 2020 at 5:59 pm

    Happy 57th Anniversary to the March on Washington. We still have a far way to go.

    This photo taken 57 years ago today at the March on Washington. I watched in awe at a man who had a dream. Unfortunately today, that dream is still a dream. The march today and this election is just as or more important than it was back in 1963.I too have a dream. pic.twitter.com/jJKAOMeu3d— Rita Moreno (@TheRitaMoreno) August 28, 2020

  194. 194.

    mrmoshpotato

    August 28, 2020 at 6:01 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Well, as Aussie skeletons would say, good on ya bones, mate! :)

    I hope anything built for the Games was put to good use for years after.

  195. 195.

    frosty

    August 28, 2020 at 6:01 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: And definitely not Harvey Mudd.

  196. 196.

    Just One More Canuck

    August 28, 2020 at 6:01 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: He should go back to being a video jockey

  197. 197.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 6:02 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    Wonder what would Henry VII think of the Deco-izing of Eltham Palace?

    ;)

  198. 198.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 6:04 pm

    @NotMax

    Left out an I.

    Henry VIII.

  199. 199.

    Kent

    August 28, 2020 at 6:07 pm

    @natem:

    @Kent:

    Spanish mission revival is popular in SoCal. And yes, a little too ubiquitous for my taste. I am much more inclined toward the Arts and Crafts architecture, which is also fairly common, but mostly in the pre-WWII developed areas.

    I just noticed it because every single school we visited on our CA college road trip had buildings with red tile roofs and buildings that looked like Spanish-style churches.

    You don’t see any of that here in the Pacific Northwest.  All the colleges up here pretty much follow the English style and model themselves after Oxford or Cambridge.    Like Reed College  or University of Washington.  I can’t think of a single university or school building up here with red tile roofs.  It’s all mini Oxfords or modern stuff.

  200. 200.

    NotMax

    August 28, 2020 at 6:12 pm

    @Kent

    Wouldn’t the weight accumulation of snow and ice crack the tiles?

  201. 201.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2020 at 6:15 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The subtext is that Lou Holtz gave a long, Trump-slobbering talk at the RNC Wednesday night.

  202. 202.

    James E Powell

    August 28, 2020 at 6:17 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    538’s website has joined the Cult of the Savvy.

  203. 203.

    Ruckus

    August 28, 2020 at 6:19 pm

    @NotMax:

    That is worse than the car warranty scam texts. Which I get 3-4 a month. It’s not a legit number.

  204. 204.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2020 at 6:22 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Holtz’s money quote about “Catholics in name only” here.

  205. 205.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2020 at 6:25 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Wonder why the story has suddenly taken on new life.

    I think that’s only here at Balloon Juice. People were discussing the Society for Creative Anachronism this morning, someone mentioned Bradley’s involvement in that, and then her back-story came up.

  206. 206.

    Steeplejack

    August 28, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    Or what Gravenstone said. ?

  207. 207.

    Hoppie

    August 28, 2020 at 6:30 pm

    @Kent: Real Spanish Mission is down here with us slackers in SD.  LA is just, as usual, fake.

  208. 208.

    tokyokie

    August 28, 2020 at 6:45 pm

    @raven: I don’t remember shorthose, but I do remember the Illini beating Mizzou twice in the mid-’70s while I was there. The Tigers beat Alabama, USC, Nebraska, and Ohio State on the road while I was a student, and lost to Illinois and Iowa State at home. The Al Onofrio era was a wonderment.

  209. 209.

    zhena gogolia

    August 28, 2020 at 6:46 pm

    Brilliant, brilliant Cauvin on Gaffigan:

    Donald Trump Responds to @JimGaffigan! (YouTube link threaded below) pic.twitter.com/a2fxrAihq1— J-L Cauvin (@JLCauvin) August 28, 2020

  210. 210.

    James E Powell

    August 28, 2020 at 6:59 pm

    @Hoppie:

    Phony Spanish Mission is the dominant look in the pricier parts of Orange County.

  211. 211.

    Llelldorin

    August 28, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: @frosty:

    Nor most of the UCs and CSUs—they tend to follow the “1960s California Public Architecture” style. (“Yes, we do have cinder blocks! Ask us how!”)

  212. 212.

    Kay

    August 28, 2020 at 7:09 pm

    Gaffigan went to the same (Catholic) high school as Justice Roberts.

  213. 213.

    Jay Noble

    August 28, 2020 at 7:11 pm

    @catclub: These were not actual ballots but rather REQUESTS for Absentee Ballots.

  214. 214.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    August 28, 2020 at 7:14 pm

    @Llelldorin: I know as far as UCLA goes, they’ve gone back to what they call “campus architecture” which is the Italian Renaissance inspired look.

  215. 215.

    Jay Noble

    August 28, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    @raven: I did. And I’m still trying to figure out why the guy who got shot in the arm had a handgun, let alone having it out.

    And still – why was Rittenhouse wearing gloves??

  216. 216.

    KenK

    August 28, 2020 at 7:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    But it’s highly probable that a Trump-inclined or Trump-curious person might google “Keep America Great” and see our messaging. And maybe we can change a few minds that way, or at least make people uneasy. I think it’s brilliant.

     

    Or better yet – they make a donation.

  217. 217.

    Yutsano

    August 28, 2020 at 7:49 pm

    @James E Powell:  Is this some new talking point going around? Because George Will wrote something very similar.

  218. 218.

    The Moar You Know

    August 28, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    At Charlottesville, the Police Helicopter crew who later crashed and died, were caught on mike saying how great it would be if they had a chance to murder some of the anti-Facist counter protestors.

    @Jay:

    @Immanentize:

    sadly this is bullshit. There were no flight recorders on the helo.

  219. 219.

    EmbraceYourInnerCrone

    August 28, 2020 at 8:08 pm

    @raven: yes I did. I figured possibly they felt they had a better chance of stopping a white man with a gun than a black person.(without getting shot by the cops) Or they might have been the closest people to see him aiming/shooting.

  220. 220.

    Honus

    August 28, 2020 at 10:21 pm

    @Jay: I’ve lived in Charlottesville for fifty years.  Heather Heyer was killed in the street in front of my office door. I’ve never heard that. I suggest you provide a source.

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