Trump shits on NBC at length and Chuck Todd and Savannah Guthrie in particular just ahead of his town hall on the network tonight pic.twitter.com/6Sjl3ttsX3
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 15, 2020
My guess is all of it, with a smile.
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Nicole
All of it, Katie.
VeniceRiley
I saw that and cackled. Okay meanwhile, a new 1 minute antibody test gets a CE (that’s Europe, because we cannot have nice things I guess.) https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/10/15/2109349/0/en/bioLytical-Laboratories-Announces-Launch-of-INSTI-1-Minute-COVID-19-Antibody-Test.html
Joe Falco
Edited because it is a Gutherie and not a Chuck we have to ask if a Gutherie could chuck shit.
download my app in the app store mistermix
Oops, it’s Savannah Guthrie who’s moderating the debate – I updated the headline. I guess Trump was just shitting on Toddler on general principle.
MattF
Also, Trump brags about ordering an extra-judicial killing by US Marshals. No link.
Major Major Major Major
For some reason I thought the town halls were yesterday and nobody noticed. I guess I have hot takes to… look forward to… tonight.
Lofgren
Getting shit on by somebody as cool as Trump just proves to Chuck Todd how important Chuck Todd is.
Villago Delenda Est
@Lofgren: The sad thing is that this is not snark.
donnah
NBC deserves what it gets for allowing Trump to get free time during the same time slot as Handsome Joe. Just as the ink dried on this dirty deal, Trump mocked and insulted NBC and Guthrie. Trump shits on everyone and so NBC deserves the humiliation. Too bad their execs are incapable of feeling shame for promoting this a-hole.
Gin & Tonic
Talking about eating shit, here’s a good analysis of the forensics around that “Hunter Biden” Mac.
JPL
@donnah: this.
dr. bloor
I doubt she’ll be able to eat much at all with Chuck Todd aggressively elbowing her away from the shit bowl.
Villago Delenda Est
@Gin & Tonic: Shit. This thing is falling apart on multiple levels in less than 24 hours. Way to go Murdoch minions of the New York Post.
JPL
@Gin & Tonic: haha Well next we’ll find out that Hunter wasn’t in the country that week.
Mary G
Margaret Sullivan isn’t a fan – at WaPo:
JPL
Hope Hicks is back, hoping this time he won’t shame her.
Kay
It’s a game, though, right? He’s been playing it with them for 50 years. He insults them which is a kind of backhanded compliment- means they’re tough on him- and they then give him whatever he wants.
He would have done less damage in the cable news industry. I wish they had given him a show.
Yutsano
Going OT but don’t want to lose this in the bloated thread below.
The Lincoln Project just aimed both barrels at Dan Sullivan. Again, not our friends but we’ll take it.
geg6
She’ll eat every bit of it and say, thank you sir, may I have some more?
James E Powell
@Lofgren:
For Villagers, it’s like when Rickles did it at the Dean Martin Roasts.
Gin & Tonic
@JPL: That girl ain’t right.
pamelabrown53
@Mary G:
I am apoplectic that NBC not only rewarded Trump for backing out of a debate but scheduling it as the exact time as Biden’s. Fucked to the nth!
I hope NBC gets hammered for this travesty.
PPCLI
The president of the United States just announced that he successfully ordered Federal Marshals to kill a suspect without trial.
That should be the top headline on every news feed right now. And it isn’t. I’ve got nothing more to say.
geg6
The evening lineup on MSNBC was absolutely furious about this last night and let it show. It was pretty amazing to see them talking about how angry they were about it and not be yanked from in front of the camera.
James E Powell
@Mary G:
Is there a more damning indictment of the American ruling class than that nearly all of them want Trump to be re-elected?
Gin & Tonic
I’m wondering what the reaction of the high-priced media Twitterati would be if MSNBC ran with screencaps from a vid of Ivanka having sex.
MJS
I’m curious how NBC threw a town hall together on such short notice. Will it be virtual, or in-person, meaning filled with dopes itching to get infected by Trump? How were the attendees, virtual or in-person, selected?
pamelabrown53
@Yutsano:
I think that Lincoln Project anti-Sullivan ad will appeal to Alaskans. Do you know if LP made an Alaska media buy to air it?
JPL
Washington Examiner has a tape of Ben Sasse telling the truth about the president. Rumor has it that Sasse wanted to run for president in 2024. I assume someone wants to discourage him. I’m not going to provide a link, cuz it was the Washington Examiner.
Villago Delenda Est
@PPCLI: Night of the Long Knives, American Style.
RobertDSC-Work
@Gin & Tonic:
It would only matter if the other person in the frames was her father.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
As the Trumptanic sinks, Rupert puts on a dress and gets on a life boat
Villago Delenda Est
@JPL: Yet Sasse voted to acquit Donald.
Fuck you, Ben, and the horse you rode in on.
Skepticat
As I believe was suggested by a jackal, I’ve encouraged friends to turn on NBC until the rotting mango appears and then immediately switch to ABC. Rump thinks ratings are all, so I’ll do what I can to chip away at his.
Kent
Biden should just postpone his town hall by an hour and then they can sit there with his audience watching Trump’s town hall together and commenting, mocking, and fact checking extemporaneously “Mystery Science Theater” style on live TV, and then after they’ve all watched Trump lie, they can move on to Biden’s town hall in response.
Kent
What does that accomplish unless you happen to be Nielson Family? Live cable TV doesn’t track viewership like say YouTube.
Kay
@PPCLI:
I agree. Everything should stop and the marshal’s involved should be called in and questioned. This is the Trump red line that can’t be crossed.
Mary G
DiFi is dead to me now, and I apologize for defending her here in the past. You all were right and I was wrong. She told Lindsey the Barrett hearings were the best evah and THEN SHE HUGGED HIM, A MAN WHO REFUSED TO BE TESTED, WITHOUT A MASK ON.
Wtaf? Tweeted at her to resign immediately, called her office, writing a postcard, Way not to role model Senator.
p.a.
“… flirted with…” FFS ??
Kay
@PPCLI:
Where are the civil libertarians on both the Left and the Right, I wonder? Where oh where have they gone these last 4 years?
The President is bragging about executing a protester. They have to call the shooters in and question them. Now.
Martin
@MJS: The town hall attendees are all Chuck Todds. Just hundreds of Chuck Todds.
BruceFromOhio
@PPCLI: not clicking on the twatter, and I don’t expect the Marshals to act as assassins. Any source or corroborating details? I expect preznit shitwhistle to lie his ass off.
Just One More Canuck
@Gin & Tonic: Clearly Hunter Biden borrowed Obama’s time travel machine
PsiFighter37
@Mary G: Well, she definitely isn’t running next time around, so CA Dems – make sure you get a good senator. Embarrassment of riches to choose from IMO…
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
Staggering long lines to vote in Virginia (photo) These are the ratings that count.
hueyplong
@Mary G: You know, it’s possible some good could come from the hug.
Sincerely,
COVID
gene108
@JPL:
Depending on how much loser stink Trump gets, this may well workout for Sasse for separating from Trump.
@PPCLI: I wonder why the same folks who became violent after Ruby Ridge are silent about this use of excess force by US Marshals
Danielx
@MJS:
You will know which if they cheer for every syllable of gibberish he spews.
MattF
IMO, giving Trump air time will not help his campaign. Trump did what he wanted to in the first ‘debate’ and thereby persuaded most of the viewers that, yes, he really is a blustering, lying asshole. Getting him in front of an audience outside the Trump cult and in the real world is unlikely to help him. But we shall see.
Hoodie
Trump will provide an ample buffet of excrement. Now, a real troll move would be NBC saying at the last minute that Savannah has tested positive for COVID and has to be isolated and Joy Reid will be standing in for her. Seriously, Trump will no doubt make an ass of himself and that can occupy the Villagers for another couple days of the news cycle. He doesn’t seem to get that his presence doesn’t make things better.
Steeplejack (phone)
Must-see pictures at the link.
I’ve been out all afternoon; sorry if this is a duplicate.
This is Emma-Jo Morris, bylined on the bogus NY Post Hunter Biden story yesterday. “Deputy politics editor.” Since when? Yesterday. Previous jobs: Hannity, CPAC.
“Author archive” has three (Biden) stories from yesterday, one from today. That’s it.
PPCLI
@BruceFromOhio: It’s certainly possible that he’s lying. Likely, even. But that is what the President of the United States said.
Danielx
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:
“Attention all rats: please don your life jackets.”
JPL
@Villago Delenda Est: You’re too kind, because my wish would be for trump to go on a tirade about him on TV tonight.
geg6
We’ll be watching Joe in our house while having taco Thursday (I have a local high school financial aid workshop on Zoom until 7 and then make the tacos) and then turning to MSNBC to see Rachel’s take on the shitshow on her network. Hopefully, it will be the three amigos, Rachel, Joy and Nicolle. They are very entertaining together.
Mary G
Another Trumpster admits he’s a crook:
Bill K
@Kent: Yes! That’s genius. Please FSM, make it happen.
A Ghost to Most
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: Sorry, but hang in there.
Automatic vote-by-mail should be nationwide, as it is here.
gene108
@Kay:
There are a lot of people, who want the next AG to go hammer and tongs after every bit of suspicious activity related to Trump, but as we’ve seen actually nailing him for something tangible is hard.
But this is probably worth going over with a fine toothed comb to make sure no President even thinks about joking about it in the future.
JPL
@Kay: Those lines have been crossed so often, and no one stops him.
jl
@Bill K: That is a good idea.
Looks like Trump is fired up and ready to go for tonight. Apparently Trump bragged that he ordered US Marshalls to assassinate that antifa suspect, and they did. Took 15 minutes…
God knows how he’ll act tonight.
Biden should try to get the audience that can’t resist watching a train wreck. People thought Trump was high on something before his covid, but look at him go now!
JPL
@gene108: That’s true nationally, but trump has a hard base that won’t forgive Sasse. He can’t win the republican nomination without some of them.
gene108
@Mary G:
Along with Steve Wynn (alleged rapist), Michael Cohen (convicted criminal), and Louis DeJoy (Postmaster General/Trump stooge), Mr. Broidy was part of the 2016 RNC Finance Committee leadership.
Why no one in the MSM questions the RNC about this den of corruption is not surprising, but is annoying
JPL
@Mary G: Geez, I wonder why he is going ahead with this plea, rather than wait for a jury of his peers.
Villago Delenda Est
@Hoodie:
Donald needs attention. He can’t think things through, that more exposure hurts him with the electorate. Because he needs attention NOW!
Villago Delenda Est
@gene108: My nym, over and over again.
Wipe them out. All of them.
gene108
@JPL:
I do not know how large that base is, after 2020. Are there more disaffected Republicans voting for Biden, than his diehard base?
If Trump gets crushed, will any Republican voter want to still associate with him?
Bush, Jr. had strong support among their base until he didn’t anymore.
jl
It would be fun if Trump had Rudy come with him to confirm the bogus Hunter Biden NY Post smear. They could explain and elaborate the story, and we could watch it evolve in real time. It’s already evolved substantially, but the story arc had endless possibilities.
Like, Hunter Biden, who the owner never met because he had to leave for awhile, could have actually bumped into Hunter Biden staggering down the street, and Hunter Biden said “I left some computers at your shop because I want to recover criminal emails that I want to hide”
And then, like, the owner realized something was wrong, and wrassled Hunter to the ground, but the owner fainted from the Hunter Biden drug fumes and ran off. And then a little old lady said… to the owner… that was that bad Hunter Biden, I bet he’s up to no good with that pizza basement buried out in the Ukrainian woods, I bet he’s trying to hide emails about that… on computers!
The Moar You Know
@MattF: I’d normally be upset about this save that it’s a fucking lie.
The Marshals so far as I can tell just did that all on their lonesome. Which is a wholly different kind of outrage.
Hilarious upshot: Trump just threw them under the bus by shining a spotlight on their criminal conduct so as to boost his “cred” with his violence-worshipping death cult.
geg6
@jl:
That is the current version of the story, isn’t it? /
jl
@JPL: “Geez, I wonder why he is going ahead with this plea, rather than wait for a jury of his peers.”
Broidy’s jury was going to be a bunch of crooked GOP billionaires? What is he thinking? I wouldn’t plea if I were him.
zhena gogolia
Hope Tom is right here.
bluefoot
@PPCLI: WT actual F?? I just checked the major US news outlets and it’s nowhere. Not that the US government hasn’t carried out extrajudicial killing before, but usually the president maintains plausible deniability AND it’s considered morally wrong. Or used to be….
Jesus wept.
Mary G
Justice Democrats put out a pretty good ad for Biden, with many bleeps:
ETA: Tag line is “for the love of God, vote Joe Biden.”
matt
‘he noticed me!’
JPL
@jl: He wouldn’t go to trial until next year, and hopefully at that time we have a new president.
Immanentize
@bluefoot: There is broad agreement that the Trump statement going around is taken out of context and with the full word salad considered, it looks more like he was complaining about the Portland police. See Jeet Heer:
BruceFromOhio
@PPCLI: OK, thank you for clarifying. May all their criminals souls rot in the lowest depths of the filthiest hell for all eternity.
Patricia Kayden
A Ghost to Most
Sometimes, Savannah, you have to work with real assholes.
But enough about Choke Toad.
prostratedragon
@bluefoot:
It’s starting to show up at online news sites.
Huffpost now, where it’s the top story
It’s at rawstory under a headline that doesn’t make it clear that that’s what the story mainly is about. I doubt that it will get the same kind of msm play, but it’s going to get some.
SiubhanDuinne
@geg6:
Oh, yeah. Rachel was steaming. She was nice about it, but you could tell.
Asking for help from the much-savvier* Jackaltariat: I am hoping beyond hope there will be some way for me to see Biden’s town hall. The TV provider where I currently live is Dish TV, and at the moment (actually since June or July, I think), Dish has been in a fight with ABC (actually with the private equity company Apollo, which owns the ABC channel in Atlanta). Until now, it hasn’t been an issue for me, as I can’t think of a single show on that network I yearn to see. But I really wanted to watch Joe’s town hall tonight. This particular Dish package doesn’t offer C-SPAN, so don’t suggest that.
Any chance a kind front-pager could put up a viewing link tonight? You would have at least one grateful viewer.
*EDIT: Much savvier than me, not much savvier than geg6. She’s one of the savviest around!
BruceFromOhio
@geg6: This made me LOL. Dr. Maddow had Senator Harris on her show last night, and the chemistry was evident. Haven’t seen the three anchors together, so this will be a treat.
Some Townhall Joe is just what I need these dark days.
Immanentize
This is actually worrying:
MisterForkbeard
@Patricia Kayden: I can’t believe NBC is going ahead with this.
All they have to say is “Because Trump has not furnished us with the independent test results we asked for and spent the morning talking about how awful he was going to treat us and the audience, we cannot in good faith pretend Trump will take this town hall seriously or safely and have withdraw our invitation. Our deepest apologies to all the Americans who wanted to have an actual, honest discussion tonight, but President Trump has made clear that this will not happen.”
Because really, they just keep rewarding him for being evil. Every time. You’d think they might learn their lesson once or twice.
Quinerly
@hueyplong: ?
zhena gogolia
@Immanentize:
She and her husband have tested negative. I know it’s not conclusive, but good.
Immanentize
GOOD Puppy! You will like this 10 second viddy.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: fyi If you haven’t voted yet, see if they have senior centers for early voting. My son Steve voted at one near his house, and it was in and out. The centers are still not open for classes and events, so it’s just as convenient for seniors to vote at near their home. In Fulton County, you can vote anywhere that is open for early voting.
Immanentize
@zhena gogolia: She postponed her meetings/travel until Monday, which is also the right thing to do.
jl
@MisterForkbeard: I really don’t understand why these big very rich corporations and well funded campaigns can’t solve the problem.
You just show up in a full hazmat isolation suit. Simple, One and done.
Seriously. I’m not joking. If it was a debate, the candidate would have to get a suit with a helmet that allowed people to see your face. But no one really wants to see the faces of pathetic corporate news hack flunkies.
This country is so decayed, people have become stupid and can’t solve the simplest problems.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
Fucking Trump mentioned that in his rally this afternoon. Had the unmitigated gall to offer (snarkily, IMO) good wishes to Kamala, and then claim that nobody on the Biden-Harris team offered him get-well wishes when he got Covid. Fuck that. All the prominent Dems immediately sent wishes that he and Melania would have a speedy and full recovery.
I know he lies with every breath he takes, but this just fucking infuriated me.
Immanentize
@SiubhanDuinne: Well we know Trump cannot read….
BruceFromOhio
@JPL: One of my staff members apartment complex did the same thing – the “common room” off the gym is being made into a polling station on Election Day. We’ve been pushing people to go vote, and if it takes a long time don’t worry about burning PTO, it’s a “freebie.” My staff member laughed and said, “it’s across the courtyard from my apartment, I don’t even have to put on a coat.”
jl
@SiubhanDuinne: Trump’s either high as a kite on drugs he needs to counter the after effects of covid, or he is cracking under the pressure of facing a wipe out of historic proportions, or both.
I wonder how much of a trainwreck Trump’s townhall will be.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
It would be a real shame if Chuck Todd and Guthrie contracted Covid from Dump
Ian
@JPL: I have always liked the way Sasse talks about Trump, in 2016 he called the RNC a dumpster fire.
It’s a really pity that he doesn’t have the authority or agency, of say for example a sitting US Senator, to do anything about his feelings regarding the Trump administration.
Martin
Just watched a few clips. He’s leaning ever harder into the dictator formula. Gonna be a hell of a lame duck period.
JPL
@SiubhanDuinne: They also removed negative trump ads.
Quinerly
@Immanentize: I checked in on the Trump Greenville, NC rally. Pitt County. Where I am originally from and went to undergrad at East Carolina University. As I recall HRC carried Pitt County. Anyway, the clips I saw on line of Trump… He’s pretty jacked up and crazed. Mocking Kamala’s people for getting Covid, mocking Joe for how he raised his hand for something. Did his dance to YMCA. Mocked Fauci. Said everyone knows Fauci is a Dem and really close to Cuomo. Said he could fire Fauci but he’ll kept him around for awhile. No telling how this townhall will go tonight.
Catherine D.
How much shit could a dipshit dip if a dipshit could dip shit?
SiubhanDuinne
@jl: Honestly, that’s the only thing that would tempt me to watch at all. I assume Daniel Dale and Aaron Rupar are both putting in for overtime tonight.
Anonymous At Work
How did Guthrie handle the Lauer era? If she ate his shit with a smile, she’ll do the same. Once you run away from a fight, you’ll always be running.
jl
@Catherine D.:
” How much shit could a dipshit dip if a dipshit could dip shit? ”
How much shit will the dipshit dip since the dipshit does dip shit.
dmsilev
@SiubhanDuinne:
Here’s what ABC says:
Going to ABCNews.com in your browser is probably the easiest option; no apps or anything like that, just the link.
What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Yutsano: They’ve been hammering Earnst too. I don’t know whether they’re our friends but they’re going after enough non-Trump Republicans that it’s at least starting to resemble friendship.
jl
From now on, any Democrat meeting in same room with a possibly infected GOPer wears a full hazmat isolation suit.
Yutsano
@SiubhanDuinne: You can’t pay me enough to listen to his voice. I limit my exposure to it as much as my abilities allow. I might miss it because of timing, because I have an appointment then a shopping trip I have to do around the time of the town hall. But I’ll try to catch up on both Unca Joe and the train wreck later.
danielx
@Steeplejack (phone):
This isn’t even semi-competent ratfucking.
SiubhanDuinne
@Immanentize:
This is so.
JPL
@BruceFromOhio: My son walked to the location, since his neighborhood backs up to the senior center. The library at the end of the street is also early voting, but had long lines.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack (phone):
High-larious!! Wish a motherfucker would ask Trump about it tonight, but they won’t. Still, I’d love to see him questioned on the sheer ineptitude of his surrogates.
SiubhanDuinne
@Quinerly:
Like a feral cat that shows up on your back porch?
Anotherlurker
@Mary G: I just emailed her, too. I told her she was a traitor to every Democrat who supported her . I also suggested that she resign, immediately.
She is way past her shelf life.
SiubhanDuinne
@dmsilev:
Thanks; I’ll give it a try.
WaterGirl
@Immanentize: Is this the right timing for her staff to have gotten it from Pence’s staff?
Quinerly
@SiubhanDuinne:
At the Greenville, NC rally today.
“Someone said to me the other day, ‘you’re the most famous person in the world by far.’ I said, ‘no I’m not’ … they said, ‘who’s more famous?’ I said, ‘Jesus Christ'” — Trump
WaterGirl
@MisterForkbeard: Did they even ask for independent test results?
JPL
@Quinerly: ha Wait until he finds out what Ben Sasse says about that.
JMG
By the time the dueling town halls go on the air tonight, roughly 20 million Americans will have already voted. Who’s gonna watch either one? I mean, there is baseball.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Here ya go.
jl
@Anotherlurker: Looks like she decided it was a good idea to give Graham a free media political ad to reward him for his disgraceful conduct.
Seems to be a polling bump for Graham, that is way out of line with recent ones showing a dead heat. I’m guessing either an outlier or low info voters saying Graham because they noticed his face on the TV machine. Hope there is time left before the election, and Harrison can highlight Graham crap, to counter that.
Too much of the Democratic leadership are just too entrenched, been there too long, too complacent, too comfortable getting paid while losing again and again. DiFi has been a mess for years. Now I wonder if she is just totally out of it.
Quinerly
@JPL: good one.
raven
@Quinerly: Instant Karma’s gonna get ya. . .
Catherine D.
@jl: Ha! Me like!
Quinerly
@raven: ??
jl
@Anotherlurker: “I just emailed her, too.”
You can email her all you want, you can call, you can write paper letters. Doesn’t make any difference. You get arrogant condescension from her office. Form letters that say nothing. You are scolded with BS, just like a group of school kids showing up to her office concerned about global warming.
I guess people could organize and call for her to resign.
Aleta
@PPCLI: They (meaning HSD, certainly Tr, perhaps some in the FBI) decided to equate what they call antifa** with terrorists. This simplifies so much (all those rights and things) // especially since most in the US have ignored what happens to accused terrorists.
** and they apply the term broadly and dangerously; in Oregon, Tr and HSD and that CBP-associated group labeled or assumed protestors as antifa at first w/o bothering to prove anything at all
Pre 2016 election, I remember a court case (SC iirc, not sure) about a US citizen’s accused association with a terrorist-associated group (by sending a donation to a group overseas that did welfare work). It seemed dangerously close to application to civil liberties. I mentioned here that Trump and his SC court nominees could do serious harm to our freedoms of speech and association, but was told it wouldn’t happen. (weak bitter laugh)
JPL
Mediaite has the entire Sasse interview up now, so I assume Biden, Lincoln Project or another democratic pact can take clips and make ads.
Aleta
From same Aaron Ruper thread, NC rally video clips for each:
BruceFromOhio
@Catherine D.: after brief analysis of four years of preznit shitwhistle, the answer to that appears to “quite a bit.”
SiubhanDuinne
@Quinerly:
Now he’s ripping off John Lennon.
MisterForkbeard
@WaterGirl: Evidently that was an original condition of the event.
By last night, Trump hadn’t provided them so they just caved and said “fuck it you can show up anyway”.
jl
In her closing statements Feinstein should have asked whether Graham should be investigated for violating campaign finance laws against soliciting funds on public property and in the midst of conducting official business. Calmly talk and tell the truth with no cuss words until Graham cut you off, then go outside and hold an impromptu press conference and yell the truth from the rooftop.
Call up Harrison and ask whether some appearances in SC would help.
trollhattan
@JPL:
Let us savor.
Lots of love in the room.
StringOnAStick
@Villago Delenda Est: Hey, you helped me win a “say something in latin” contest last weekend! I even beat a guy who did time in all boys private Catholic schools!
BruceFromOhio
@jl:
Yes, it’s called “an election.” Four years should be plenty of time to organize.
sdhays
I don’t really believe this. I mean, it could be true, but no one has actually tried so far. We now know that Mueller was told, perhaps not in so many words, that he would be shut down if he subpoenaed the President’s financial records. And he blinked. As soon as they actually started looking at the Dump Foundation, it was shut down in months.
Certainly, he may be actually difficult to nail. But I wouldn’t just assume that.
Mary G
Oops!
germy
@Skepticat:
Wait… They can tell who tunes in and out of their program?
I thought you had to be a Nielsen family.
Surely they won’t know when you change the channel.
WaterGirl
@JPL: I missed it. What did he say? Surely he didn’t actually take a stand, did he?
Mary G
(Warning – link goes to Velveetamort’s tweet)
Tom Nichols (yes, I know, not a real ally) has an interesting theory – everyone should watch Twitler’s town hall because he will be so bad:
Jay
@BruceFromOhio:
what is known, is that the Marshalls fired with out warning, from ambush, with out making any attempt to identify themselves, they did not try to arrest him, or give him a chance to surrender.
and Dumph has been boasting that he gave them the order to murder him.
WaterGirl
@MisterForkbeard: wow. stupid stupid stupid. I hope the audience isn’t live, but it probably is, right?
Why do people not understand? You do not make rules unless you intend to enforce them.
David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch
at least 17.3 million voted in the 2020 general election
(link)
germy
Comity!
NotMax
FYI.
Baud
@Mary G:
Was that ever the claim? I thought it was used to reduce the severity of symptoms, not increase survival.
Mary G
When you’ve even lost the white people:
Gravenstone
@Mary G: Well if Graham is asymptomatic but actively carrying covid, she might be dead for real in a few weeks.
JPL
@WaterGirl: Look at comment 29
PPCLI
@PPCLI:
@BruceFromOhio:
My apologies. On re-listening to this, I should have been a bit more careful. Trump has told the same story a bunch of different ways in recent days, but in the instance today that I was referring to, though Trump is bragging about what happened, he appears to be saying that the US Marshals decided on their own to extrajudicially kill the accused, and Trump is evidently glad of it. Trump says “We sent in the U.S. Marshals and in 15 minutes it was over…They knew who he was, they didn’t want to arrest him and 15 minutes that ended.”
Still absolutely shocking, but not exactly the absolutely shocking thing I took it to be. A different absolutely shocking thing
ETA: Eyewitnesses at the scene don’t exactly contradict Trump’s version of the story.
germy
@Mary G:
The main thing is that they’re all friends.
Never mind what happens to the court, or this country.
“It’s a big club, and we’re not in it.”
Baud
@Mary G:
I thought it wasn’t since 1964.
JPL
@germy: It’s not the way that I wanted to solve our Feinstein problem, because a resignation would be better, but………..
planetjanet
@David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch: The question is why does Virginia’s largest county have only one early voting location? I am in the second largest county and we have three. I drove up to my closest location and dropped of my absentee ballot in less than 5 minutes.
germy
@WaterGirl:
It was a live audience for Biden’s town hall. It was on NBC a few weeks ago (?), moderated by Lester Holt. Distancing was observed, no one was close, and I noticed the microphones were covered in clear plastic.
JPL
@WaterGirl: This is cool, because it insures that trump finds out.
The Washington Post now has a story on it. link
BruceFromOhio
@Mary G:
I have a competing theory, that I will be eaten by wolves, and that it will be a far preferable experience.
WaterGirl
@Mary G: What I like best about those numbers is that they are just 2 and 3 points away from 100. It’s all the undecideds who can turn things upside down in a heartbeat.
MCA1
If the powers that be at NBC has any spine at all, they’d absolutely fill the crowd with people of color and strident Biden fans, and then print up pointed questions, with followups, for those people to memorize and ask Hair Furor in retaliation for his shitting all over them at his infection event this afternoon.
They don’t have any spine, though, obviously, so as everyone else has pointed out, they will eat everything put in front of them, with a smile on their face.
I do hold out some level of hope that a town hall questioner gets medieval on him, calls him a liar to his face, or dials up the shaming that Dotard spends every waking moment trying to avoid.
JPL
So pleased that trump saw the Sasse ads. According to the Washington Post
WaterGirl
@JPL: thank you!
sdhays
@planetjanet: That was just for early-early voting. A lot more opened up yesterday, I believe. We’re planning to early vote at our local precinct in the next few days.
germy
@JPL:
That’s from last August, the last time Sassy talked shit about cheeto.
BruceFromOhio
@Jay: Thank you for clarifying. I was aware of the Marshals behavior, and that it was an out & out hit job. shitwhistle bleating that he ordered it is the new thing, and is obviously a lie, he’d a been bleating about it the moment it happened if it were anything resembling the truth.
Add it to the list of US institutions tainted by these two-bit soulless ratfuck criminals that will require mucking out when the dust settles.
germy
@MCA1:
NBC is Trump’s former business partner. They wanted him to win in 2016.
Baud
@JPL:
DiFi and Sasse should form their own party!
WaterGirl
@JPL: It would be a shame if the Sasse thing threw Trump off his game.
germy
NotMax
re: the Dolt 45 event today
If you listen very carefully, off in the distance you’ll be able to hear the ghost of Newton Minow intoning “Told you so!”
//
debbie
@germy:
Can you remind me what Loonves’s famous quote was?
Jeffro
@JPL: rooting for injuries, Part 87
germy
@debbie:
Something about Trump being bad for the country but good for CBS.
Redshift
The thing is, I don’t think the worst thing about this is that NBC is rewarding Trump for refusing to follow the rules, and basically making it a replacement debate where he doesn’t have to face the other side. The worst thing is that the purpose of his town hall is the same as his purpose in making the first debate unwatchable — to try to keep Biden from getting any message out at all. In this case, he’s doing it by demanding that his event be opposite Biden’s, which there is no legitimate reason to agree to.
Yeah, it’ll probably hurt him in the polls like it did the first time, backfiring because so many people are voting against Trump instead of for Biden. It’s still wrong and infuriating.
Geminid
@BruceFromOhio: the man whose killing Trump brags about was named Michael Reinoehl. He was charged with second degree murder for killing a right wing winger in Portland, and was shot in Washington by local cops acting as part of a U.S. Marshall’s task force. Reinoehl gave an interview to a Vice News reporter the day he was killed, and said he was defending a friend. Both shootings got a lot of coverage, and the local and national reporting is worth checking out.
Redshift
On the general subject of television personalities, I greatly enjoyed this article in the Post this morning:
Fox News veterans face a hurdle in the job market: Having Fox on the résumé
I posted a one-word comment: Good.
I especially liked the part where some of them find themselves with few options and go to Newsmax or OAN.
sdhays
@germy: According to his tax returns, “The Apprentice” was the only real money he’s made for pretty much his entire life (since pretty much everything else either was a disaster or essentially converting Daddy’s money into his own). The Apprentice could have been made without Donnie Dump. He didn’t make it a success.
For some reason, they chose a guy who was actually hemorrhaging money and had just gone through a long list of bankruptcies and they not only paid him over $400m, they revived his brand so that he could scam some more.
StevetheWeave
How about at the last minute, NBC pulls Savannah Guthrie and substitutes Rachel and Ari Melber? Does Trump pull out because he’s scared?
JPL
@Baud: Will hugs be allowed, if so then most definitely.
Anotherlurker
@jl: I figured she just doesn’t care. I would get the same responses from my g.o.p. Senators and Rep. when I lived in Fla.
However, she is my elected Senator and it is my right to contact her and let her know how I feel.
If a petition or some other organized pushback arises, I will be onboard with signing it. I will also be onboard with showing up at her office, with a group of constituents and letting her know how we feel.
sdhays
@StevetheWeave: That would be funny. Have Savannah Guthrie there so that he comes in and gets on camera, and then have her leave and get replaced.
They’ll never do it, but watching him seethe and maybe even trigger a tantrum would be awesome.
NotMax
Olbermann is all over the Sasse sass today.
Jeffro
@Redshift: it really is the ultimate talking-over-Biden, them letting him have a ‘dueling’ town hall of his own.
Everyone be sure to write/email/tweet at NBC and tell them they suck; other than that, just let it go – almost no one is watching, and we just need to run up the score where it actually counts.
(Personally I hope trumpov crows about higher ratings tomorrow and once again takes his eye off the ball about what’s really important)
germy
Sasse has positioned himself as the “sane” republican who will arise from the ashes of trumpism, win the republican presidential nomination, and guide this country to a bright new conservative future.
JPL
@germy: There’s a little glitch, since he didn’t vote to impeach. When it comes down to it, he’s a coward.
germy
@JPL:
Well, I put “sane” in scare quotes.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
FWIW, Newton Minow is alive and kicking at age 94.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_N._Minow
trollhattan
@MCA1:
Trump will bitch about them no matter how they handle it so they might as well stack the deck in a way he’ll find displeasing. (This is not a prediction, but if I ran the railroad….)
The Thin Black Duke
@germy: As I said last night in another thread, lightweights such as Sasse don’t worry me. Charlie Baker does. Which is why, to my mind, it’s important to hold onto the Senate longer than four years, especially if Baker runs for President in 2024. I really don’t see Biden doing two terms, and I expect to see the toxic presence of misogyny rearing its ugly head again when Harris announces her candidacy.
trollhattan
@germy:
He’s a smarmy fraud, Sasse. Mittens for a new generation. “Come work in the corn fields and find enlightenment!” How about come kiss my butt?
germy
@SiubhanDuinne:
This is nice:
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
Why is everybody hating on Savannah Guthrie? I liked her on Today when I used to watch it
trollhattan
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):
I don’t actually know who she is. But since Trump is insulting her, that’s a plus mark out of the starting gate.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Thanks. Downloaded the ABC app to my phone. Hope it does the trick. Thanks.
germy
@The Thin Black Duke:
Baker is ambitious. You’re right, he’ll most likely run.
Gin & Tonic
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Because she agreed to moderate, or whatever the word is, this Trump appearance. And because she is a lightweight who will predictably get completely rolled by Trump.
prostratedragon
@NotMax: Or Minow himself, who’s still with us (96).
debbie
@germy:
Thanks.
prostratedragon
@prostratedragon: (SiubhanDuinne‘s math is better than mine.)
Bill Arnold
@PPCLI:
This was clear as soon as he started bragging about it; the language was odd and oddly timed. But good that he finally boasted[1] that he ordered an extrajudicial domestic assassination.
[1] Sort of at least; is there a transcript yet or a video link to that point in his rally?
debbie
@Bill Arnold:
Once again, I am lost. Has anyone named the suspect?
Bill Arnold
@The Moar You Know:
If they’re squeezed hard, they might talk about orders, if they exist. Doubtful that anyone in that chain of command would take the fall for murder. Barr? Hah.
jl
@BruceFromOhio: “it’s called “an election.” Four years should be plenty of time to organize.”
With all due respect, a citizen’s duty to advocate for good governance does not stop after the election. I think that kind of passive, and overly obedient attitude towards democracy and our elected officials in this country is one of the reasons we are at the point of losing it.
I’m contacting her office to complain and demand that she resign, even if that signals an unfortunate lack of deference and decorum on my part. I guess I just don’t know my place.
Geminid
@debbie: The man killed by law enforcement Sept. 4 was Michael Reinoehl. He was wanted on a second degree murder charge for a shooting in Portland August 29. There is plenty of available reporting on both shootings if anyone is interested and wants to Google Reinoehl’s name. Reinoehl also was interviewed by a Vice News reporter the day he was killed, and he spoke about the earlier shooting.
jl
@Geminid: Apparently Trump’s many crimes are ‘old news’ now, not worth reporting.
News actors like Todd think it is more important to challenge Democrats with incoherent babble in order to fish up a ‘gotcha,’ get something ‘hot’ out there for balance, or some sort of posturing dumb show to pretend he is a journalist.
Wyatt Salamanca
Savannah Guthrie will eat so much shit it will make your head spin like Linda Blair in the Exorcist.
Ken
Repeating myself from earlier today, my preferred “twist” tonight would be for NBC and ABC to merge their programs and hold the two-candidate town hall originally scheduled. Ideally they enforce time limits and mute the candidates when it’s not their turn to speak, including when the town hall participants are asking their questions.
Geminid
At the time both killings were big news in the Portland area, and got some national coverage. They are back in the news now because trump claims credit for something he did not do. He’s bragging, and possibly trying to bait the anti-fascists.
WhatsMyNym
Let’s set the record straight…
the members of the task force that shot Reinoehl were only deputized marshals. They were from other other local/state police forces –
From Propublica
Lofgren
@Villago Delenda Est: Snark? It’s not even a metaphor.
WhatsMyNym
@WhatsMyNym: So, unmarked cars/suvs, no uniforms, questions about if they identified themselves, and civilians/children nearby.
BruceFromOhio
@jl: I was being facetious.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@PsiFighter37:
I’ve not heard her state that, I’ve always thought she want’s to break Strom Thurmand’s record.
Keith P.
@Quinerly: I can envision Trump doing that bit from “The Three Amigos” where they talk about how the “infamous” El Guapo is “more than famous”
OGLiberal
@MisterForkbeard: Many lunatics will watch and advertisers don’t care who the fuck is seeing their ads. And NBC wants that money. Despicable but entirely predictable.
Lofgren
@Mary G:
Twist: Diane Feinstein has a monster case of covid, hugs all republicans on the judiciary committee, takes them down with her as her final act.