Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Spilling the end game before they can coat it in frankl luntz-approved dogwhistles.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Second rate reporter says what?

Somebody needs to explain to DeSantis that nobody needs to do anything to make him look bad.

I’m just a talker, trying to find a channel!

When the time comes to make an endorsement, the pain of NYT editors will be palpable as they reluctantly whisper “Biden.”

Cole is on a roll !

Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”

Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Today’s gop: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

I really should read my own blog.

Shut up, hissy kitty!

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

My years-long effort to drive family and friends away has really paid off this year.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Tide comes in. Tide goes out. You can’t explain that.

There are a lot more evil idiots than evil geniuses.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

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Barry Loudermilk, caught lying red-handed about giving a Capitol tour by the 1/6 committee (full video here):

Concerned John Cornyn beginning the slow back-away from the gun compromise:

I’m sure there are many others but they haven’t been discovered.

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  1. 1.

    Parfigliano

    Of course he is backing away its all theatre to seem reasonable on guns. Naturally the media fell for it. Again.

    First ?

  3. 3.

    Martin

    It’s like Louis Gohmert said: “A Republican can’t even lie to Congress or lie to an FBI agent or they’re coming after you.”

    He’s not wrong.

  4. 4.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Channeling Tom Lehrer there?

    These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard
    And there may be many others but they haven’t been discovered    .

  5. 5.

    joel hanes

    Note that the Capitol Police also lied about this tour reconnaissance operation.

    Yesterday.

    Heads should roll.

  6. 6.

    Baud

    It’d be good if the GOP walls away now. Dems weren’t crazy about the compromise and many wanted the GOP to be portrayed as out of step on guns.

  8. 8.

    Kay

    The committee are not going to ask a question they don’t already know the answer to – if they say there were tours, they have video, if they say there were pardon requests, they have proof of that. They’re not bluffing. They’re presenting the results of an investigation.
    It’s riveting though, watching this unfold.

  10. 10.

    Elizabelle

    @Baud: 

    Agreed. Let the GOP walk away. It was a fig leaf, anyway.

    And then hammer even more: elect more Democrats to keep your kids and teachers safe in school.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    @joel hanes: 

    Someone linked to the Police letter in the prior thread. It was all factual about Loudermilk’s movements. It didn’t say anything about whether the tour was normal or the motives. I’m confused.

  12. 12.

    mistermix

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yep!

    @Baud: I’m really torn on this one.  I see your point, but I also thought that if something (almost anything) passed that even slightly limited gun access, that was also a win.

  13. 13.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    It’s just hugely fucked up they oppose closing the boyfriend loophole. Affirmatively supporting violence against women now.

  16. 16.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    Sadly I think the answer is the NYTimes did some of their great reporting and added some “exoneration” that wasn’t there.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    @Kay:

    Ah, that explains everything.  The exoneration must be next to the hollow rods from Nigeria or whatever the fuck that was in 2002.

  19. 19.

    Immanentize

    @Baud: At the very end of the letter on page 2, the Cap. Police Chief Manger concludes: “we do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious.”

    That is worrisome.

  29. 29.

    Kay

    @Immanentize:

    Is it maybe just ass covering though? They’re the Capitol police. The Capitol got attacked. Were they likely to say “this activity the day before we had video of but missed is very suspicious”?

  31. 31.

    Baud

    @Kay:

    Good point.

    ETA: it’s like the Uvalde police saying the were working hard during the hour kids are getting shot.

  33. 33.

    Benw

    Hey, at least we are negotiating with Republicans who are operating in bad faith, instead of members of our own caucus who are operating in bad faith. Progress!

  34. 34.

    germy shoemangler

    @Benw:

    Republicans seem to have learned from manchinsinema, where they say “we’re close to a deal!” and then at the last minute murmur “or maybe not.”

    Or did republicans play that song first, and manchinsinema are the tribute band?

  35. 35.

    Immanentize

    @Kay: in retrospect, maybe yes he should notice it was suspicious. How can members trust the Chief if he is unwilling now to see what’s what? I would want a some what less credulous leader of the force protecting me. It brings all of his judgments into question, no? He is a low quality hire.

  37. 37.

    Kent

    I’m ambivalent about this gun stuff.

    I’m not sure all that much is gained when Dems agree to such a watered down compromise proposal that will basically do nothing and then it inevitably becomes a “failed” Democratic policy and excuse why gun control doesn’t work.

    That is the trap of this fetish for bipartisanship. You then end up owning extremely shitty policy.

  41. 41.

    pat

    @Kay: Affirmatively supporting violence against women now.

    It strikes me this is pretty similar to the anti-abortion movement.

  44. 44.

    Kent

    @Baud: Well, Republican obstructionism is a narrative too.  Obviously there are no wins when you don’t get good shit done.

    Which is the easier narrative?

    Your kids are dying because Republicans are obstructing needed policy?  Or

    Your kids are dying because WE did a really shitty job.

  46. 46.

    Scout211

    Another point to remember: Capitol tours were not allowed until April of 2022 due to COVID protocols.  Source.

    March 28, 2022, 7:00 AM PDT / Source: Associated Press
    By The Associated Press
    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Capitol will reopen to the public on Monday for guided tours for limited groups of people who have registered in advance, congressional officials said, two years after the coronavirus pandemic prompted the cessation of such visits.

  47. 47.

    Baud

    @Kent: 

    Which is the easier narrative?

    Your kids are dying because Republicans are obstructing needed policy?  Or

    Your kids are dying because WE did a really shitty job.

    Well, the second is much easier because it is already dogma among the vast majority of media and social media.

  49. 49.

    Immanentize

    @Kay: not only that, but McConnell put his big imprimatur on the deal, which included closing the boyfriend loophole.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    @Baud:  JPL linked to an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

    Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger signed a letter outlining his agency’s review of security footage from that day after conducting an investigation requested by U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis, the ranking Republican member of the House Administration Committee. Davis’ request was filed after the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot asked Loudermilk for information about the tour.

    The two congressmen both criticized the committee’s request. Loudermilk has called the committee’s investigation a “political circus,” and he faulted the panel’s members for releasing its letter to the public before he had received it.

    He and Davis both said the tour in question was innocent. Manger’s letter appears to confirm that.

  53. 53.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Agreed, which is why Dems needed to get caught trying one way or another, and they did. I think Murphy thought and perhaps still does think something will get passed. We’ll see.

  54. 54.

    Kay

    @Immanentize: 

    They don’t always win. They fuck up a lot. I think this hurts them. It was all over the news as a done deal. Now they’re going to take all the crime prevention out of it? VERY slick.

  56. 56.

    sdhays

    @Kent: The counterpoint is that there has been a logjam in any legislation that reigns in guns for decades now. Stepping away from “only more guns”, even in a tepid way, breaks that jam.

    I’m reminded of how the Civil Rights Act of 1957 was trashed as a joke in 1957, but it was part of the path to the much more consequential acts in the 60’s. Congress proving to itself that it can do “something” helps it get to the place where it does “more”.

  59. 59.

    Central Planning

    @Elizabelle: It’s not just safe at school. People should want to be safe going grocery shopping, church, a sporting event, or work. Only Ds want that and it should be easy to paint all Rs as against basic safety and security.

  60. 60.

    Kent

    @sdhays: Like I said, I’m ambivalent.  I understand the arguments both ways.  The ACA is probably another example of a half-good policy that broke the logjam and lead to better things.  But don’t think this proposal is in that league.

  61. 61.

    Kay

    @pat:

    There’s another huge study:

    We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death. An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female. It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.

  62. 62.

    sdhays

    @Kent: I get it. I’m ambivalent too, although I think I come down on the side of “take a win, if we can get it”, even if it’s a tepid win.

  63. 63.

    J R in WV

    @Baud: ​
     

    ETA: it’s like the Uvalde police saying the were working hard during the hour kids are getting shot.

    I think that was mostly the most exhausting work any of those cops have ever done, sitting on their hands while little kids were being murdered right in front of them!

  64. 64.

    topclimber

    @Kent: Alternately, gun control advocates score a small victory and are more energized to go further.

    Not to pick on you, but did I miss the memo that incrementalism is now a bad thing for the BJ set–you know, the scourges of the purity ponies.

  65. 65.

    JPL

    Loudermilk has released a statement stating that the Capitol Police agreed with him there wasn’t nothing suspicious about the tour.  Also, the committee did not let him know he that they were releasing the video, and it’s a witch hunt.  He and his family are also getting death threats and if true then I feel bad.   Maybe they should wear bullet proof backpacks.    Maybe he should watch the entire video again just to remind himself what a death threat sounds like.

  66. 66.

    JPL

    Another thing Loudermilk said is that the committee is undermining the Capitol Police.   hahahah

    The entire statement is here,  link

  69. 69.

    ian

    Saw this gem from Florida’s governor

    “I’m focused on 2022, but with @elonmusk what I would say is you know I welcome support from African-Americans. What can I say?”

    The day before Musk signaled he intends to support DeSantis in 2024.

    Pretty f*ed up to compare White South African migrants to African Americans

  70. 70.

    JPL

    @Kay: The January 6 committee, interviewed the one with the camera.  There’s more to the story.  I wonder if the FBI took the cell phone to see who received the pictures.

  73. 73.

    gene108

    @Scout211:

    I believe members could still meet constituents in the Capitol, so members could show constituents around and not violate any rules.

  74. 74.

    Kay

    @JPL:

    I’m also wondering where the kids went. They may have been there on a different portion of the tape – Loudermilk says they were – but where did they go?

  76. 76.

    Ksmiami

    @Kent: agreed. Call the GOP the real baby killers and they are coming for your kids. Message the fuck out of this because the Republican party is a monster

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    @ian: This type of shit is how DeSantis created his own MAGA-dope cult among Florida Republicans. He does these “press conference” events almost daily and has an entourage of sycophants to stomp and holler at every word. I’m not at all sure he wouldn’t beat Trump in a head-to-head Republican primary contest in Florida, and Fox News is working hard to endear him to MAGA-dopes nationwide.

  78. 78.

    trollhattan

    @ian: He’s high-larious. Bet if you asked him, Death Santa would claim to be the funniest man in Florida and like Trump, surrounds himself with people who tell him that when he asks.

  79. 79.

    Steeplejack

    Re “normal” tour:

    The tour route sticks out to me. I’ve given many tours, and I don’t understand why he showed them both the Rayburn and Cannon Tunnels. Separate routes from different places into the Capitol, which is where your tour group always wants to get. Why did Loudermilk take them to both?
    pic.twitter.com/O3UDl5OV9G

    — Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) June 15, 2022

    Part of a good thread.

  80. 80.

    Steeplejack

    @ian:

    Pretty f*ed up to compare White South African migrants to African Americans.

    It’s a well-known Twitter joke to pwn the libs. Not original to DeSantis.

  81. 81.

    gene108

    @ian:

    Pretty f*ed up to compare White South African migrants to African Americans

    It’s pretty much par for the course with conservatives. They’ve been mocking the term African Americans for as long as I can remember.

  83. 83.

    JPL

    @Kay: Previously Loudermilk said the gift shop, but his story has evolved overtime.  At one point he mentioned that he thought tours were okay since the gift shop was open.   I appreciate his concern for the Capitol Police.  (not)

  84. 84.

    Paul in KY

    @ian: Boy, I bet they really giggled when whatever lickspittle of his typed that up in his twitter feed.

  86. 86.

    Steeplejack

    Re “But the Capitol was closed!” and/or “The gift shop was open!”

    Conducting a tour that doesn’t go into the Capitol is suspicious in itself! “Here are the stairs. Here’s the security checkpoint at the entrance to the tunnel to the ceremonial spaces, but we won’t be going into it. Here’s where we get more toner.” ?

    — southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 15, 2022

    I haven’t been to the Capitol, but in a lot of buildings the “gift shop” is also the snack shop for office workers. “Open” doesn’t necessarily mean “totally business as usual.”

  87. 87.

    Immanentize

    I am waiting to see which Republicans in the House will make a statement supporting Loudermilk. Until and unless McCarthy makes the political decision that it is safe to utter Loudermilk’s name, the Dude is guilty.

  90. 90.

    Scout211

    @gene108:

    I believe members could still meet constituents in the Capitol, so members could show constituents around and not violate any rules.

    That’s right.  That is his constituent  “family with young children”  version of his ever-changing story. But I think that was the version he tried out in May.  He seems to have moved on to defending himself about the tour now. The Capitol police said he did lead a tour, but that it wasn’t suspicious. So “tour” is now the new description of his many versions defending himself.

  91. 91.

    JPL

    Rosanne Boyland died after losing consciousness in the crush of a pro-Trump mob as it surged against the police.  from nytimes  

    Rosanne would have been one of Loudermilk’s constituents and she died trying to storm the capitol.

  93. 93.

    Kay

    @JPL: 

    He’s just saying “gift shop” a lot. It’s weird that the guy is taking photos of the stairs and security checkmarks and Nadler’s name plate!
    I’m glad that they released the footage because the Capitol police description of what was in it is wrong and it’s a good and fair question why they lied about this.
    If they really viewed that tape and saw nothing suspicious then members of congress should be very concerned about security in that building.

  94. 94.

    germy shoemangler

    @Kay:

    I was under the impression that all the bad eggs in the capitol police had been fired or retired after the first Jan. 6 investigations.  There were some heroes that day and some who were… not so good.  I thought the latter were gone now.

  95. 95.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    The release of the security footage and the clip Liz Cheney released earlier keep the committee’s narrative going on a day when the hearing had to be postponed. I don’t know if that’s a deliberate strategy, but I wouldn’t be surprised

  97. 97.

    Soprano2

    @Kay:  I like the way they’re releasing information. It’s being done deliberately to keep the press writing about it. You have to give them new things every day to write about, or they lose interest. That’s something TFG understood about them

  101. 101.

    Soprano2

    @Kay: But Kay, you know they think women lie about abuse all the time! I guess they’re terrified their GF will lie about them being abusive just so the police can take their penis extensions away!

  102. 102.

    Immanentize

    @Kay:
    This is precisely my take on this affair. The Chief is not going to protect members because he can’t see danger. My guess is he himself never viewed the viddy feeds, but that’s on him.

  104. 104.

    Soprano2

    @Immanentize: OH geez, so they don’t consider taking pictures of stairways and police checkpoints suspicious? Sure, that’s what tourists usually take pictures of!

  106. 106.

    sdhays

    @Kay: At this point, I don’t think it’s wise to believe police statements on any subject without corroborating evidence.

    If the police department in your jurisdiction says it’s a sunny day outside, look out the window before drawing any conclusions on whether or not you need an umbrella.

  107. 107.

    Immanentize

    @JPL: That is why this is media perfect — the J6 Cmmt did not just throw Loudermilk under the bus. He opened his stupid pie hole and they merely responded.

  109. 109.

    MazeDancer

    The two provisions which Cornyn wants to “discuss” – supporting red flag laws and closing the boyfriend loophole  – are not nothing. They could actually save lives.

    It is like being pro-COVID, the GOP just wants to kill people? Cannot understand why they like killing people. Is it like hunting prairie dogs with AR rifles, do they just enjoy seeing living things explode and die?

  111. 111.

    JPL

    Tonight’s episode of Ingraham lies will feature the January 6 committee throwing the Capitol police under the bus.

  112. 112.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Soprano2:

    Willing to be clarified or corrected on this, but I have a vague memory of one of the J6 rioters saying something about knowing where the stairwells and tunnels were so they could seal them off and release gas. Presumably when they were full of (Dem, RINO) members and staffers.

    Can’t remember now if it was in a deposition transcript or an early video release or what.

  113. 113.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Kay:  Did ANY Republicans vote to restore VAWA? These are people who opposed making lynching a Federal crime until only this year. So nothing surprises me.

  114. 114.

    Subcommandante Yakbreath

    I found this yesterday through File770.com, an sf fandom website and thought it might be of interest:

    NOT QUIET ON THE BOOKSTORE FRONT. Sergej Sumlenny tweeted a long thread about “How [the] Russian book market prepared Russians for a full-scale war against Ukraine, NATO, the West, and promoted stalinism and nazism, and how this was ignored by the West.” Thread starts here.

  116. 116.

    Brachiator

     

    @Kay:

    It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.

    I guess I am not entirely surprised. Still, the degree to which women are at risk is staggering.

    The sad thing is that gun humpers would react to this report by saying that more women should buy guns and learn to shoot.

  117. 117.

    Immanentize

    @Soprano2: in the video, Loudermilk makes this odd hand gesture — holding his arm out and flicking his wrist down. I immediately thought of the security doors that the insurrectionists breached during the coup. We will know someday, because the Cmmt. and the feds know by now everything that Loudermilk discussed. Hell, that dumbo probably recorded the whole thing for the great future after the revolution.

  118. 118.

    JPL

    @SiubhanDuinne: 
    Pretty sure that they found pictures on either the leader of Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers. Not sure which. I want to know if the pictures match those taken by Loudermilk’s friends.

  120. 120.

    sdhays

    @Soprano2: Seems unlikely if he was the one deciding where they should go. Why would he think that security checkpoints and dull office corridors would be what constituents wanted to see when visiting their Congressperson? And if he was just taking them where they said they wanted to go, he didn’t think that all of the dull bits and photos of police weren’t strange?

  121. 121.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @ian: Just listened to one of my fave Black comedy podcasters joke about his “favorite African-American…Charlize Theron.”  But obviously who says it and the context matters.

  125. 125.

    JoyceH

    @UncleEbeneezer: 

    Their constant-drip method of releasing info has been VERY effective!

    Hasn’t it, though? I’m impressed. Headlines every day. And I especially like when they wait until a Repub indignantly denies something, and then release the proof. Whoops. Hope there’s lots more like that.

  126. 126.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @MazeDancer: They’re a death cult.  They feed on death.  They’re Death-Eaters.  Look who the chair of the GQp Senatorial Campaign Committe is!  The Dark Lord himself!

  127. 127.

    JPL

    I asked USCP about the discrepancy between Chief Manger’s letter a couple days saying the the Loudermilk group was benign – and the 1/6 committee’s interpretation. They largely declined to comment:  link

  129. 129.

    Old School

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I have a vague memory of one of the J6 rioters saying something about knowing where the stairwells and tunnels were so they could seal them off and release gas.

    It was in charging document of some Oath Keepers:

    Another message Caldwell received during the attack said: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas.”

  131. 131.

    Kay

    @JPL:

    He can’t make a statement while the investigation is ongoing yet he released a letter saying there was nothing suspicious. He has to choose one of those. Too late for the no statement dodge!

  132. 132.

    Tony G

    @Kay: At this point the GOP doesn’t even try to hide the evil that they are.  They have calculated, perhaps correctly, that being openly repulsive helps them with their base more than it hurts them with the dwindling number of independent voters.  They are letting their freak-flag fly, as the old saying goes.

  137. 137.

    piratedan

    I assume that we’re going to have one of these very painful days of testimony where we discover the details on the breaching of the Capitol on just how the decision making process took place to leave it lightly defended. Who made those calls, which officers and administration officials were sympathetic to those attempting to assault legislators (i.e. who stood by and watched them flood the building) and stop the certification.

    Has anyone attempted to perform any dot connection with those on the tour and if they were also present the next day?

  140. 140.

    cain

    @lowtechcyclist: ​

    I couldn’t give two shits about her and what she’s done as an adult – we’ve been fighting for people like her to do exactly that. Touching and fondling Ted Cruz though should probably be a crime against humanity.

    I’m happy to see both Ted and Lauren head off to the sunset. Feel bad for her kids though.

  141. 141.

    sdhays

    @lowtechcyclist: For those who aren’t aware of the recent accusations (I wasn’t):

    American Muckrakers PAC claims Boebert worked as an unlicensed paid escort and met clients through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com.

    “According to our investigation, Boebert was hired by a wealthy male client in Aspen, Colorado, who was a Koch family member. Boebert’s rich client subsequently introduced her to U.S. Senator [Ted] Cruz to run for political office,” a press release from the PAC read.

    The group also accused Boebert of taking at least $136,250 from Senator Cruz for her campaign for Congress announced in 2019, and failing to disclose a $70,500 donation noted in Cruz’s Federal Election Commission filings.

    The PAC said Boebert has had two abortions, one of which was at Planned Parenthood—a claim that, if true, would contrast with Boebert’s proclaimed strong opposition to abortion rights

    ETA: Apparently, this is the same outfit behind the demise of Madison Cawthorn. So it seems Maddy isn’t the only one in their crosshairs.

  142. 142.

    Subcommandante Yakbreath

    @pat: It is. Even if Sumienny is exaggerating, it’s still a lot of mind rotting propaganda over a decade. Helps to understand why average Russians might be more supportive of the war than we’d like to believe.

  144. 144.

    CindyH

    @Tony G:  They don’t need to – thanks to their wins in 2010 and therefore the power of redistricting, they are gerrymandered to ensure continued control.

  145. 145.

    Gretchen

    @Kay: closing the boyfriend loophole was the reason a lot of people thought this was a good bill even if it didn’t go as far as we would have liked.  70% of mass shooters have some history of domestic violence or a member of their family is one of the victims of the shooting.  Sandy Hook and the Texas shooter both shot female family members before their shooting sprees.  Cornyn doesn’t want to close the loophole.

  146. 146.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I guess Conwoman Kyrsten couldn’t schmooze Conman Cornyn into a gun safety bill.  I am shocked! Shocked I say!

  147. 147.

    Kay

    @Gretchen:

    I objected to the bill because of the “school hardening” billions. I think “school hardening” is a scam and the security companies are GOP donors. Lafayette, Indiana public schools paid 400k to a “security company” who also make body armor. They’re profiting on both gun nuts and fear of gun nuts. I refuse to turn schools into detention centers because gun nuts refuse to either regulate their own behavior or accept regulation. I think school hardening is a negative but with the mental health funding that’s a wash, so I would need the boyfriend loophole closed and red flag to get to “positive”.

    But I do think Murphy has them between a rock and a hard place. If they back out they’ll get blamed for killing it.

  148. 148.

    StringOnAStick

    @MazeDancer:

    It is like being pro-COVID, the GOP just wants to kill people? Cannot understand why they like killing people. Is it like hunting prairie dogs with AR rifles, do they just enjoy seeing living things explode and die?

    Yes, they do.  My late nephew (thanks to brain cancer linked to his Iraq war service) loved to go out and shoot prairie dogs for exactly that reason.  He thought it was fun.  That’s who gun nuts are.

  149. 149.

    Kay

    @Gretchen:

    I just don’t want to give 5 billion dollars to these bullshit “security experts” to harden schools. It’s an enormous amount of money. If they’re worried about the mental health of students they can spend it on music and sports and swimming pools and beautiful green spaces around schools. I hate bad investments. This is one. I don’t know why US children have to have such grim, joyless, narrow public policy. They never get anything “good” or “extra”. Did you see that Uvalade campus? It had already been “hardened”. As someone who spends a lot of time in juvenile detention centers I’ll tell you it looks like one. It’s a low income district. That’s why it looks like that.

  150. 150.

    StringOnAStick

    @Subcommandante Yakbreath:  Wow, that’s quite a thread and sure shows how years of propaganda can turn citizens into drones for Putin.  Putin’s project has been decades in the making and I feel like our intelligence services missed this stuff because too many agents are also conservative to revancist in their own outlook.  Scary.

    Almost like how years of FOX made drones for tRump! But surely decent Americans would not fall for such stuff.  s

  151. 151.

    Brachiator

    @sdhays:

    American Muckrakers PAC claims Boebert worked as an unlicensed paid escort and met clients through a website called SugarDaddyMeet.com.

    Is it better to be a licensed paid escort?

  152. 152.

    Gravenstone

    @joel hanes: Or, that they didn’t have an issue with Congress critters running recon ops. In either case, your statement holds true.

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    Scout211

    The Seefried verdict is in:  one felony, four misdemeanors each. Source.
    So a bench trial is not a free ride.

     

    CNN — 
    The man who was captured parading through the US Capitol with a large Confederate flag during the January 6, 2021 riot, was – along with his son – found guilty by a federal judge on Wednesday of obstructing an official proceeding, a felony.

    Kevin Seefried, with his wife, son Hunter and son’s girlfriend, drove from Delaware to attend the “Stop the Steal” rally that day. Kevin and Hunter Seefried followed the crowd to the Capitol and helped storm the building, climbing in through a broken window and coming close to the Senate chambers while inside.

    The two men were found guilty by Judge Trevor McFadden on four misdemeanor charges as well, including entering and remaining in a restricted building and disorderly

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