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A Couple of Abortion-Related Items

by @heymistermix.com|  July 29, 202210:41 am| 284 Comments

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For anyone who hasn’t seen it, Matt Gaetz decided to body shame a 19-year-old woman (or, as Gaetz would call her, “a geriatric woman”). She fought back:

Olivia Julianna, the 19-year-old reproductive rights activist who this week turned an insult from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) into a fundraiser, has raised more than $1.3 million for women seeking abortions — after taking just 72 hours to hit the $1 million mark.

The donations inspired by Olivia Julianna, a political strategist for the nonprofit Gen Z for Change, happily surprised abortion rights advocates. The $1.3 million raised by the group by early Friday is more than 10 percent of what the National Network of Abortion Funds — which includes about 90 abortion funds in the United States and Mexico — distributed in an entire year. It is also enough to fund thousands of abortions, which cost on average $550 per service.

In local (to me) news, under Kathy Hochul’s leadership, New York is going to be a safe haven for women who need abortions. We’re putting millions into clinics, and we’re in the process of passing a constitutional amendment to make abortion a right. I just got an email from Planned Parenthood saying that they’re increasing their hours in their Western New York abortionplexes. I’m proud that some of my tax dollars are going towards providing life-saving healthcare to women from red states.

On the subject of taxes: one of the constant, tedious refrains of the dwindling number of New York Republicans is that people are leaving our state because of high taxes, and taking refuge in tax havens like Florida and Texas. I wonder how that equation will change once those states require that women have an abdomen full of blood from an ectopic pregnancy, or a uterus full of pus from an incomplete miscarriage, before doctors will perform life-saving surgery.

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  1. 1.

    Another Scott

    July 29, 2022 at 10:55 am

    Great for Julianna and her supporters.  Here’s hoping that Gaetz is thrown out of office and into prison (after a fair trial) soon.

    Jerb creators leaving “high tax” states is just the “nobody goes there – it’s too crowded” meme.  As countries and economies advance, taxes go up because services and the benefits of modern society (clean air, water, efficient transportation, efficient communication, safe banking and investment markets, fair courts, legal protections for property and human rights, stable and safe food supplies, etc.) go up.  Burundi probably has pretty low taxes…

    (groucho-roll-eyes.gif)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  2. 2.

    The Moar You Know

    July 29, 2022 at 10:57 am

    On the subject of taxes: one of the constant, tedious refrains of the dwindling number of New York Republicans is that people are leaving our state because of high taxes, and taking refuge in tax havens like Florida and Texas.

    I hear it in California all the time.  I show them the census numbers.  It’s not true.  More people move to CA than leave, period.

    To which they are left to howl that it’s illegal aliens.  To which I reply that illegal day laborers are not driving the prices of the homes on my street towards the 2 million mark.  They have nowhere left to run to at that point and always walk away and leave me alone, which is what I wanted in the first place.  Don’t start an argument you can’t finish.

  3. 3.

    catclub

    July 29, 2022 at 11:03 am

    @The Moar You Know: California is so crowded, nobody lives there anymore.

  4. 4.

    The Moar You Know

    July 29, 2022 at 11:06 am

    Burundi probably has pretty low taxes…

    @Another Scott: I had to look.  You would have done better with Bahrain.  Burundi is pretty high for Africa.  Higher than Brazil for that matter.

  5. 5.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 11:08 am

    On the subject of taxes: one of the constant, tedious refrains of the dwindling number of New York Republicans is that people are leaving our state because of high taxes, and taking refuge in tax havens like Florida and Texas. I wonder how that equation will change once those states require that women have an abdomen full of blood from an ectopic pregnancy, or a uterus full of pus from an incomplete miscarriage, before doctors will perform life-saving surgery.

    From California I can only say that this trend should be nurtured and encouraged, because with each grumpy conservative departure New York improves some small amount. “How can I miss you if you won’t go away?” was never more apt.

    They, of course, believe that their departure will be unbelievably devastating. Turn out, nope.

  6. 6.

    Jertian

    July 29, 2022 at 11:09 am

    The Albany, NY subreddit is occasionally flooded lately with posts from people migrating or looking to migrate to the area.  Usually from Texas.  All anecdotal evidence, but maybe we can get more and better BBQ.

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 11:09 am

    @The Moar You Know: What you said.
    Although I’ll add the population has plateaued, perhaps apt given our water supply and air quality issues.

  8. 8.

    RaflW

    July 29, 2022 at 11:09 am

    It will take some time for the trend to become fully apparent, but I do wonder how all the tech companies that moved (or at least opened significant satellite ops) in Austin, TX, will do in job recruiting.

    I know tech is still male-dominated, but they’re not all incels and hopeless bros. Will these often nominally progressive firms fail even harder at hiring women, trans, and queer workers? What does the guy whose wife says “no fukin’ way I’m moving to Texas” do with his job offer/transfer?

    Same, frankly, for American Airlines HQ’d in the DFW metroplex. Energy big biz in Houston. They all need talent. Saddling a state with a horrendous “spy on your neighbor and collect $10K” law is not in any job recruiters Top 10 reasons to relocate list.

    (Also, TX was always hot as hell. I fled in 1995 and it is so much worse now. Just mystifies me that anyone still moves there!)

  9. 9.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 11:12 am

    @RaflW: ​
     Sun Belt? More like Sun Belted, amirite?

    I won’t be surprised if places like Arizona become uninhabitable.

  10. 10.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 11:13 am

    Oregon is the only state I believe that has no restrictions on abortions at all. It’s constantly under attack. Of course, we also allow you to die by your own hand.

    As for these low tax seekers -they want all the conveniences of modern society, but don’t want to pay for it. They can fuck off and go to east Texas or some other lower tier American society. They won’t be making much business though or attracting younger people. Of course, then the complaint would be “nobody wants to work hard anymore” :eyeroll:

  11. 11.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    July 29, 2022 at 11:14 am

    mistermix @ Top:

    In local (to me) news, under Kathy Hochul’s leadership, New York is going to be a safe haven for women who need abortions.

    That’s not surprising. Abortion was legal in New York even before Roe:

    Abortion, also known as pregnancy termination, was legalized up to the 24th week of pregnancy in New York (NY) in 1970, three years before it was decriminalized (then recriminalized) for the entire United States with the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade in 1973.

  12. 12.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 11:14 am

    @RaflW: They will definitely be at a disadvantage. They’ll have to start getting involved in state government and wrench control away from the sadist Christianists.

  13. 13.

    RaflW

    July 29, 2022 at 11:15 am

    @Another Scott: “Jerb creators leaving ‘high tax’ states”.

    I like to remind folks that yes, ‘high tax’ Minnesota has a progressive income tax. But our real estate taxes are about half what they are in Texas. (But do people really notice once their escrow add-on is figured on their mortgage?)

    We also don’t tax groceries – exceptions for some junk foods, since we’re communists! – or even clothing. We go back to visit family in Houston and I’m always stunned when there’s like an 8.5% bite piled onto the grocery receipt. What?!

    So Texas isn’t low tax. They just dribble it out of you year round in less noticeable ways than a state income tax return. And, naturally, often regressively so the working class funds the no-income-tax crap.

  14. 14.

    The Moar You Know

    July 29, 2022 at 11:22 am

    I work right by Qualcomm.  The number of Texas license plates I see around here tells me all I need to know about what an awesome place Texas is to live.  Those that can leave for better work are leaving.

  15. 15.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 11:25 am

    Yep, property taxes are astronomical in Texas.   We lived there for over a decade.  Strangely it is MUCH easier for local school districts to pass property tax levies in TX than it is here in the Pacific Northwest because there is no supermajority requirement that was put into law in both OR and WA through initiative and referendum which was supposed to be a progressive measure that TX doesn’t have.

    But I think the tech companies will keep flooding into TX as long as TX keeps offering them free money and more importantly, virtually unregulated ability to build on cheap raw suburban land.  This is a male dominated industry.  And if enough American engineers don’t want to move there from silicon valley they will just hire more from India.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 11:29 am

    @Kent: California’s still saddled with Prop 13 and the desiccated corpse of Howard Jarvis makes it damn near impossible to break apart, despite the exit of the core conservative cohort who worship dead Howard and dead Ronnie.

    We also like the death penalty.

  17. 17.

    Another Scott

    July 29, 2022 at 11:31 am

    @The Moar You Know: Yeah, Burundi was a poor choice.  It’s an extremely poor country, but is trying to get its act together with a lot of historical baggage.

    Sudan might be a better example.

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  18. 18.

    Ken

    July 29, 2022 at 11:41 am

    @Kent:  Strangely it is MUCH easier for local school districts to pass property tax levies in TX

    “The Battling Armadillos need a new 25,000 seat football stadium!”

    “Isn’t that a middle school?”

    “Silence, heretic!”

  19. 19.

    Paul in KY

    July 29, 2022 at 11:41 am

    @RaflW: I would love to move to Austin if I could get a salary high enough to live there comfortably (make the house pmt) AND work from home.

    Edit: And pay my property taxes!

  20. 20.

    Matt McIrvin

    July 29, 2022 at 11:44 am

    @The Moar You Know: I know why I don’t live in California, and the main one is expensive real estate. Which is not a typical characteristic of a shithole that everyone is fleeing.

  21. 21.

    RaflW

    July 29, 2022 at 11:45 am

    @trollhattan: My partner and I were just talking about eventually, maybe, retiring to high up in the CO rockies. Our condo up there is near a major tributary to the Colorado River.

    We were kinda joke-speculating on the notion of what happens if Arizona goes really red-state-rogue: At least we could then void the Colorado Compact, and in good Republican fashion say “the water all belongs to us in CO, because here is where the rain fell. Suck on a dry creekbed, wingers.”

    It’s an ugly fantasy, I readily admit.

    But when I see anything other than absolute indigenous xeriscaping in AZ, NV etc, I do get a bit apoplectic (I feel that way about Denver lawns, too. Get rid of all of them! Only limited lawn in public parks and ballfields. That’s IT.)

  22. 22.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 29, 2022 at 11:47 am

    @Paul in KY: I like Austin, but if I or a family member was capable of becoming pregnant, I’d hesitate to live in Texas. It’s too risky

  23. 23.

    RaflW

    July 29, 2022 at 11:49 am

    @Paul in KY: And your a/c bill! (Though Texas really could have an incredibly robust rooftop solar distributed grid. The robber barrons haven’t figured out how to monetize that sufficiently so far.)

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: I adored Austin. I went there all the time 83-88 while I lived in Ft. Worth and then Houston. Living there 89-95 was (mostly) amazing. But g-d damn it grew so much after I left. It’s been loved to within an inch of it’s ecologically precarious life. Which so bums me out when I go back to see friends. TX also changed a lot from the salad days of Ann Richards and Molly Ivins. :/

  24. 24.

    bbleh

    July 29, 2022 at 11:56 am

    I don’t think the abortion laws will matter much.  The ones who are moving to Florida and Texas likely are well past childbearing age &/or are good obedient wives doing as their husbands say.

    Florida’s going to be an interesting place when sea level starts rises starting getting really serious…

  25. 25.

    Marmot

    July 29, 2022 at 11:58 am

    Y’all already made the point about folks not necessarily leaving NY (or CA) for lower taxes elsewhere, and better than I could.

    I wonder how that equation will change once those states require that women have an abdomen full of blood from an ectopic pregnancy, or a uterus full of pus from an incomplete miscarriage, before doctors will perform life-saving surgery.

    This should be a big concern for the right wing loons who (temporarily) run Texas. Bad news like above is just going to get worse and more frequent because right wingers can’t think through medical issues.  Or be bothered to care.

  26. 26.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:00 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:
    @RaflW:
    The Immp was born in San Antonio, my wife was from the Houston area and I lived in Austin, then San Antonio, from 1989 to 2001. There is so much I loved about Austin and San Antonio; but both are sadly surrounded by Texas.

    I just told the Immp last month before he went back to Rice that if he was a woman, I would be seriously opposed to his return. He agreed (but was happy to be able to finish his education there). It’s a tough question about how States like Arizona and Texas will end up. Will the environment get them? Or will they hate themselves into oblivion first?

  27. 27.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:01 pm

    @Ken: Exactly so.

    But school districts are smart about such things and usually wrap a popular stadium expansion project together with things like new science labs.  Generally speaking the facilities across the board (not just football) were better at the suburban Waco HS where I taught than the suburban Vancouver high schools here north of Portland.  Even though this area is probably more affluent.  And it is almost entirely due to the laws making it easier to pass bond levies in TX compared to WA.

  28. 28.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:02 pm

    @Marmot: You seem to be in the news these days — I just read that I’m not supposed to adopt you as a pet?

  29. 29.

    Redshift

    July 29, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    On the subject of taxes: one of the constant, tedious refrains of the dwindling number of New York Republicans is that people are leaving our state because of high taxes, and taking refuge in tax havens like Florida and Texas.

    Never assume that conservative articles of faith like that are true. They’re generally BS, and if any “evidence” for this one is presented, it’s a cherry-picked pair of states for a time period when there are other pairs that “prove” the exact opposite.

  30. 30.

    Barbara

    July 29, 2022 at 12:03 pm

    @Jertian: ​ Access to water and lower air conditioning bills – and now, unbelievably a working power grid – may have soured a few people on Texas.​

    Also — good for Olivia Julianna.

    Is body shaming teenagers considered manly?

  31. 31.

    Spanky

    July 29, 2022 at 12:04 pm

    Since this thread, she is open, I want to point to a Fidelity.com article that bucks the msm narrative.

    This is not what a recession looks like
    Signs of economic growth are everywhere, says Jurrien Timmer.

    • BY JURRIEN TIMMER, DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL MACRO FOR FIDELITY MANAGEMENT & RESEARCH COMPANY (FMRCO),
    • FIDELITY VIEWPOINTS
    • – 07/28/2022

    Key takeaways

    • Although there’s a sense of dread in the air that a recession is imminent, this sentiment isn’t necessarily a reflection of the economic reality.
    • Unemployment is low, consumers are spending money, and earnings continue to grow—all of which are positive economic signs.
    • Earnings reports, which can give insight into companies’ hiring and staffing plans, may offer a clearer sense of what’s ahead than the latest GDP report.

    Full article is at fidelity.com and doesn’t seem to be paywalled. In fact, click the link above to read it.

  32. 32.

    geg6

    July 29, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    I just love her. Sent some cash her way the other day.

  33. 33.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:06 pm

    What I would love to see is for college rankings like USNWR to start including access to reproductive health as a factor in their rankings.

    Watch Alabama, UT, TAMU, Vanderbilt, Rice, Notre Dame, etc. plummet in the college rankings and see blue state universities leap ahead of them all because their female students no longer have access to reproductive health care.

    That would certainly light a fire under some rich white conservative booster types.

  34. 34.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:08 pm

    @Ken: Case in point about football in Texas (although a private school): Rice U. stadium seats 70,000, which is just over 10x the number of enrolled students. Go OWLS 🦉!

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    July 29, 2022 at 12:09 pm

    Naturally, those tedious refrains from lockstep GQp idiots have absolutely no basis in any empirical reality.

  36. 36.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:09 pm

    @Spanky: On marketplace yesterday they had on a commentator who explained that most of the past quarter’s shrinkage was due to retailers who overbought during the pandemic and now have to shrink their inventories and so cut back on wholesale orders.  But that consumers are spending same as before.  So it is mostly just a pandemic-related burp and not a systemic problem with the economy.

    Made sense to me the way he explained it.

  37. 37.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    @trollhattan: just when it’s turning blue? Dang it!

  38. 38.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 29, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    @Kent: I think you’re (mostly) right about this. My large multi-nat tech company moved a lot of operations to Texas in 2019, and they’re getting a lot of pushback from employees and having some difficulties hiring there now.

    Interestingly enough, they appear to still be able to hire a lot of college grads, but people in their mid-20s who have more options and a bit of work history (and are closer to starting families, I’d guess) are much more reluctant to be there.

  39. 39.

    scav

    July 29, 2022 at 12:10 pm

    So, TX will be the natural home of techbros with traditionally obedient (oresumably god-fearing) wives — techbros baffled by the switch of under what guise taxes are pulled from their wallets — techbros hired by bleeding edge tech companies frantic to get to a place with a dodgy electrical supply in both summer and winter.  Oh, and old people.  That’ll make for an interesting John Wayne movie.

  40. 40.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:11 pm

    @Kent:

    shrinkage was due to … cold water.

    FTFY

  41. 41.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: My question from this morning thread — you are a Marshall Crenshaw fan, yes?

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    @Immanentize: ​The entire state seems to be a CTE factory. Friday Night Lights Out

  43. 43.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:14 pm

    @Immanentize:@Ken: Case in point about football in Texas (although a private school): Rice U. stadium seats 70,000, which is just over 10x the number of enrolled students. Go OWLS 🦉!

    Yeah, but Rice Stadium was built 70 years ago and was subsidized by the city to be the main municipal stadium.  The Houston Cougars also played there in the 1950s as did the the Houston Oilers until the Astrodome got built.  I don’t think Rice has averaged more than 20K people in their to see a football game in decades.  They have tarped off all the endzone seats to reduce stadium capacity.  Plus, back in the 1950s, Rice was in the SWC along with Texas, TAMU, Arkansas, etc. and was actually competitive so they had a bigger fan base.

    The better example of Texas football excess is Kyle Field, home of TAMU.  Which has been expanded to over 100K.

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 12:15 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: ​
    I’d call the outcome baked in but that seems to easy.

    Mark Kelly and a hopefully sane Sinema replacement are good signs for better outcomes from Arizona politics. Nevada seems similar, if not actually ahead. In both, the party that best engages the Hispanic population will prevail, and that begins with understanding they are far, far from uniform in their beliefs and political leanings.

  45. 45.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    @Immanentize: yes.  He even played W&L when I was there!  And my band covered “Someday, Someway”.

  46. 46.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:16 pm

    @Immanentize: see also: Matthew Sweet

  47. 47.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:17 pm

    @trollhattan: Ha! When I lived there, the grid would fail in the poorer parts of San Antonio (mostly the near-rural south, heavily Mexican American neighborhoods.) When the outages his Austin, Houston and Dallas suburbs — hell to pay! And the Republicans just cannot — ideologically — fix the problems.  SAD!

  48. 48.

    catclub

    July 29, 2022 at 12:17 pm

    @Kent: That explains the lower GDP.  You just cannot have a recession when unemployment is at record low levels.  Also when discretionary spending – aka travel and restaurants, are at high levels.

  49. 49.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:19 pm

    @MisterForkbeard:

    @Kent: I think you’re (mostly) right about this. My large multi-nat tech company moved a lot of operations to Texas in 2019, and they’re getting a lot of pushback from employees and having some difficulties hiring there now.

    Interestingly enough, they appear to still be able to hire a lot of college grads, but people in their mid-20s who have more options and a bit of work history (and are closer to starting families, I’d guess) are much more reluctant to be there.

    Everyone is having difficulty hiring now.  But I have faith that the Fed and corporate America will figure out how to end that unfortunate state of affairs and get us back to the more normal situation of labor surplus where employers hold all the cards.

  50. 50.

    Ruckus

    July 29, 2022 at 12:19 pm

    @catclub:

    This damn it, this! There are too many people not living here, in the hell hole that is CA.

    I’ve traveled all around this country in my 2 gigs ago life. Been to 46 states, lived in the east, lived in northern CA, when I decided to open a new business, in a new state, back in 04/05 I sat down with a map and spent hours thinking about where I wanted to live, to enjoy, I came back to CA. It’s where I was born, I’m second generation Angeleno, mom was born in the same hospital, over 100 yrs ago. And that makes me unusual, in that most people I’ve known most of my life, were born somewhere else. And as crowded as it is, it is a good place to live. In my travels around this country I’ve met good people, seen amazing places, but some place that has decided that living is better than stifling, restricting, demanding. I have a friend where I live, who like me was born here 73 yrs ago. She’s had a rich life, she’s friends with most everyone here, in this old farts complex/home. Her family, 3 generations, most has moved to Kansas, wants her to come live there, she’s not having it. This state allows/encourages human beings to live, to enjoy, to revel, in life. We pay high taxes, gas is a couple of dollars a gallon more, everything costs more – and it’s worth it.

  51. 51.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:21 pm

    @Kent: I know, Rice was a powerhouse at one time. I do think they get big crowds when they play UT. When I lived in Austin, by an act of some michievous diety, the Owls beat the Longhorns. And the Austinites we’re kind enough to light up UT tower to look.like an Owl. Also, remember the infamous game in which a guy on the bench went onto the field and tackled the break away runner (late 50’s?) The tackled guy was playing for Rice.

    Hootie Hoo!

  52. 52.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 12:22 pm

    @The Moar You Know: we’e been seeing a LOT of Florida license places here in P-town (Portland) Even more than California license plates.I do see some Texas from time to time.

  53. 53.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:22 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I knew it because you are drawn to a jangly guitar like a moth to flame.

    Re: Sweet. Boyfriend?

  54. 54.

    Ruckus

    July 29, 2022 at 12:23 pm

    @cain:

    Some humans seem to live to complain. They never help fix crap, they just complain, and wonder why the world is so shitty.

  55. 55.

    Ken

    July 29, 2022 at 12:24 pm

    @scav: techbros baffled by the switch of under what guise taxes are pulled from their wallets

    Speaking of baffled techbros, I want to again thank the BJ commenter who recommended Molly White’s web3-crypto-NFT blog. Where else can you find (unintentional) comedy gems like this request from a hacked company to the thieves in hopes the stolen funds will be returned:

    “You have not taken money from VCs or large funds—the treasury you have taken represents the collective hopes of everyday people.”

    They are also assuring their customers that their tokens will be fine, as soon as the money is returned — but until then don’t trade the tokens as they have no guaranteed value.

  56. 56.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    @Kent:

    But I think the tech companies will keep flooding into TX as long as TX keeps offering them free money and more importantly, virtually unregulated ability to build on cheap raw suburban land.  This is a male dominated industry.  And if enough American engineers don’t want to move there from silicon valley they will just hire more from India.

    There is going to be a day when politics will make the Indians a rather unseen race in U.S. society as a new target.

    They indians they get are the people coming from rural areas – bringing their social/societal conservative views with them. I suppose that’s great since they can have a better life – but I feel sorry for the kids afterwards.

  57. 57.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    @Immanentize: ​
     I live for jangly guitars!

    Girlfriend, Sick of Myself, Time Capsule, lots more.

    I’ve Been Waiting may be my favorite.

  58. 58.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:25 pm

    @Ruckus: your theme song, I suspect, from The man in black.

  59. 59.

    Kelly

    July 29, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    My first job interview my senior year of BS in CS degree was some IT temp firm in Dallas, TX. It was fall term 1979. I hadn’t written a resume and only had superficial thoughts about finding a job. The recruiter called me said he had interview openings that afternoon. We have a Dallas in Oregon. Pleasant town just west of Salem, tucked up against the Coast Range. About 5 minutes into the interview it dawned on me he was from Dallas, TX. Interview went a little further and finally I told him I thought the job was Dallas, OR and there was no way would move to Dallas, TX. Too hot, no mountains covered in forests, no skiing. He cracked up. We finished with a nice talk about job search stuff.

  60. 60.

    jefft452

    July 29, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    @RaflW: Also User Fees

    Here in New Hampshire there is no income tax, but it cost me ~$500 to register my car

    In CT or NY I dont think I ever paid more than $25

  61. 61.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Did your group play all those? Was it a Mathew Sweet cover band? Please tell me “no.”

  62. 62.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 12:30 pm

    This fuckin’ guy. I mean seriously, what is the role of SCOTUS today, because politics has become front and center.

    A conservative member of the US Supreme Court has mocked world leaders who criticised last month’s ruling that overturned American abortion rights.

    Justice Samuel Alito, who wrote the ruling, dismissed criticism from a host of prominent figures, including UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

    He joked that Mr Johnson, who leaves office in September, had “paid the price” for arguing against the verdict.

    Mr Alito, a devout Catholic, was speaking at a conference in Rome.

    “I had the honour this term of writing I think the only supreme court decision in the history of that institution that has been lambasted by a whole string of foreign leaders who felt perfectly fine commenting on American law,” Mr Alito said.

    “One of these was Boris Johnson, but he paid the price,” he said, drawing laughter from the audience. Mr Johnson, who announced his intention to resign earlier this month after a string of scandals, had called the ruling “a big step backwards”.

    Mr Alito also referenced French President Emmanuel Macron, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Duke of Sussex, Prince Harry, who had condemned the “rolling back of constitutional rights” in the US during a speech to the UN earlier this month.

    “What really wounded me was when the Duke of Sussex addressed the United Nations and seemed to compare the decision whose name may not be spoken with the Russian attack on Ukraine,” Mr Alito said.

    Prince Harry appeared to be referring to the abortion ruling when he said in his address to the UN: “From the horrific war in Ukraine to the rolling back of constitutional rights here in the United States, we are witnessing a global assault on democracy and freedom…”

    Mr Alito’s previously unannounced speech was delivered to the Religious Liberty Conference on 21 July and emerged after the University of Notre Dame, who hosted the event, posted footage online on Thursday night.

    Referring to religious liberty, he said it was “under attack in many places because it is dangerous to those who want to hold complete power”.
    -BBC

    Whoever it was that first quipped “Scalito” was an insult to Scalia was spot on. Alito is a monster, and proud of it.

  63. 63.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:31 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: By the way, did I ever tell you one of my closest friends was Dean at W&L Law — after you but before the khaki and polo riot.

  64. 64.

    Marmot

    July 29, 2022 at 12:31 pm

    @Immanentize: Definitely bad pets. Really good looking, though. :)

  65. 65.

    ian

    July 29, 2022 at 12:31 pm

    @catclub:

     You just cannot have a recession when unemployment is at record low levels.

    I don’t claim any special economic knowledge- but isn’t a recession 3 quarters of negative growth?  You could have one when unemployment is low and consumer spending is high.  A better question would be why the official designation of recession/growth is so damn important to so many (probably a media driven phenomena).  If things are going well in terms of employment, household finances, and consumer purchases, does it really matter to people if overall GDP goes down a little?

  66. 66.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 29, 2022 at 12:31 pm

    Matt Gaetz decided to body shame a 19-year-old woman (or, as Gaetz would call her, “a geriatric woman”)

    Haha.

     

    Also, even as someone with a fairly large melon (but mine doesn’t look like a big toe), I’m all for head shaming that pedo bastard.  Also, he’s a pedo.  Bastard.

  67. 67.

    mrmoshpotato

    July 29, 2022 at 12:32 pm

    @Immanentize: Hahaha.  Well done.

  68. 68.

    Tony G

    July 29, 2022 at 12:33 pm

    @Another Scott: The “Wall Street” financial industry exists in lower Manhattan (plus in its spillover across the Hudson River in Jersey City) because the highly paid Masters of the Universe do not, in fact, want to live and work in a low-tax “red” state.  Improvements in network technology over the past 35 years means that they could, in fact, live and work in Kansas or Kentucky or some other low-tax part of the Real America.  They have not moved to those states and they will not do so, because they like hanging out in New York City (and the Hamptons) with their well-paid peers.  If they did, in fact, move out that would be a net benefit for the rest of us because rents and other prices would go down.  But they’re not going anywhere.

  69. 69.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:34 pm

    @jefft452: And because of New Hampshire, MA has a vehicle value tax which reduces year over year. Because too many Massholes we’re going up to buy cars in NH “tax free.”

  70. 70.

    Tony G

    July 29, 2022 at 12:34 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Big head with nothing inside of it.

  71. 71.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:35 pm

    @Immanentize: lord no!  Those are just some songs of his that I like.

    Also, he plays on “BBC” at the end of the first Austin Powers movie.  The video shows Susannah Hoffs playing the guitar solo, but you can tell by the sound and style that it is clearly Matthew Sweet.

  72. 72.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Did not know that! Another reason to rewatch Austin Powers.

  73. 73.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    @Immanentize: you have mentioned that before.  Lexington is a great town.

  74. 74.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:37 pm

    @Marmot: very cute indeed!

  75. 75.

    Tony G

    July 29, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    @Another Scott: There’s a certain type of man who despises any woman who does not look like a plastic Barbie doll.  Basically, this type of man hates women.  Based on my Psychology-101 training, I conclude that it’s no accident that Gaetz is more attracted to young teenage girls than he is to adult women.  A very sick little man.

  76. 76.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    @trollhattan:

    As someone said on Twitter: “oh yeah, the framers of the constitution definitely wanted a bunch of Catholics on the Supreme Court who would go to Rome to report on their accomplishments.”

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    July 29, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    @Kent: I think the cheap land in Texas is a big advantage, especially over California. There is an almost unlimited amount of flat, easily buildable land, with sufficient rainfall. Texas also has a decent higher education system that can support modern industry.

  78. 78.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:42 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Very pretty, really serene. But Lee’s tomb is a bit creepy.

    ETA my friend just took on a job as President of a really interesting (read effed up but super well endowed) college. Her travails in the few months she has been Pres make “The Chair” look like an episode of Arthur.

  79. 79.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 29, 2022 at 12:43 pm

    @Immanentize:

    The sea, the snotgreen sea, the scrotumtightening sea.

  80. 80.

    Cameron

    July 29, 2022 at 12:44 pm

    I think Yankees who move to Florida are mostly old farts like me, and we come here for a variety of reasons.  Not all of us are right-wing nuts (well, OK, maybe most of us are).

    Young families contemplating a move here encounter insane housing prices (I just read in today’s Bradenton Herald that land values in Manatee County are averaging 18% higher than last year) and a public education system on a rocket sled to the Stone Age.  I haven’t looked for the numbers, but would not be surprised if there’s a net outflow of people under age 35.

    Native Floridians who post here would be more familiar with this than I am; I’m just relating my general impressions

    ETA:  It’s not my fault that I share the same birth date (not year) as Mattie Gaetz.

  81. 81.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:45 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Isn’t it too early for Joyce? I mean, in this decade?

  82. 82.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 12:46 pm

    @Geminid: Houston has amply demonstrated that allowing tens of thousands of homes to be built within a high-risk floodplain is a surefire way to keep land costs down.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/28/16211392/100-500-year-flood-meaning

    I write this from what’s considered the US’s second-most floodprone city behind New Orleans.

  83. 83.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:46 pm

    @Geminid:@Kent: I think the cheap land in Texas is a big advantage, especially over California. There is an almost unlimited amount of flat, easily buildable land, with sufficient rainfall. Texas also has a decent higher education system that can support modern industry.

    I think people underestimate this.  And it isn’t just that the land is cheap.  It is quick and cheap to build.  You can probably have a warehouse or suburban tech factory up and running in suburban Texas before you even get through the environmental review process in CA.

    And yes, there are a LOT of universities in TX that are pushing out computer science and other STEM majors.  Many that people outside of TX have barely ever heard of but that are still big and decent.  Like UT-Dallas or Texas State.

  84. 84.

    Ruckus

    July 29, 2022 at 12:46 pm

    @jefft452:

    It costs about the same to run a state/county government in most places. Sure it’s more in the highly populated states, like LA county, which has a larger population than 39 states, but still it’s often the way the money is collected that makes one place better or worse than another. And people usually don’t see that unless they move. What that does most often is determine who pays the most, not what gets done.

  85. 85.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:48 pm

    @Cameron:I think Yankees who move to Florida are mostly old farts like me, and we come here for a variety of reasons.  Not all of us are right-wing nuts (well, OK, maybe most of us are).

    Yep. My impression is that most folks stay in NY during their peak earning years and don’t leave until they retire.  The wage delta between NY and Florida is to high to attract many mid-career types.

  86. 86.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:51 pm

    @Immanentize: ha! Tell her to keep a close eye on that troublemaker DW….

  87. 87.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:51 pm

    @Geminid:

    with sufficient rainfall

    This has really been a serious problem since the 90s, but they have managed to keep it under wraps. The central acquifer is poorly managed and shrinking, arid places are expanding and the Rio Grande is carrying less water (in part because of up-river use) than ever before. Likewise other Texas interior rivers. Do you know how many natural lakes there are in Texas? One. Sure they are getting a lot of excessive rain in parts, like off the Gulf, but it comes so fast and hard that it is mostly lost almost immediately. Water in Texas is a big problem for the State’s future.

  88. 88.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 29, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Isn’t it too early for Joyce?

    yes I said yes I will Yes

  89. 89.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 12:52 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: @Immanentize: FYI the food at the James Joyce Pub in Prague is godawful.  Good drinks, though, and dog friendly!

  90. 90.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 12:53 pm

    @Ruckus:It costs about the same to run a state/county government in most places. Sure it’s more in the highly populated states, like LA county, which has a larger population than 39 states, but still it’s often the way the money is collected that makes one place better or worse than another. And people usually don’t see that unless they move. What that does most often is determine who pays the most, not what gets done.

    Except that it does cost more to make places actually liveable.  We moved back to the PNW after a decade+ in Texas.  All the little things like sidewalks, street lights, bike trails and bike lanes, green space, etc. all take money.  And if not money, the political will to REQUIRE them of developers.  You add up decades of this stuff and it makes a huge difference.

    My kids could actually walk to school on safe streets here in WA.  That was inconceivable in TX even though we lived in a suburban area with roughly the same level of income.  It is about priorities but also spending.

    A big part of what makes Texas a hellhole is the cumulative impact of decades of decisions not to invest in public infrastructure other than massive highways.  The only cities that I found a little bit tolerable were Fort Worth and San Antonio which had the best bones in terms of that sort of thing.  Not Austin.  And definitely not Dallas or Houston.

  91. 91.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I think my friend is D.W.

  92. 92.

    Ruckus

    July 29, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    @Tony G:

    As someone who has actually made molds for Barbie dolls I can tell you that most women do not look like Barbie, including the woman that Barbie was supposed to look like. And yes I have met her as well.

  93. 93.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 12:55 pm

    @Kent:

    That would certainly light a fire under some rich white conservative booster types.

    Sucks to be them. They’ll also not get the best pick of athletes either. Certainly in women sports – female athletes will be looking for other pastures. Sports teams will collapse and those universities will lose a major part of their funding.

  94. 94.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Just a Public Service Announcement:

    “I love your comments and allusions.”

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled fussing and fighting.

  95. 95.

    Nettoyeur

    July 29, 2022 at 12:58 pm

    @Immanentize:  University aged heterosexual males tend to have girlfriends or wives who can get pregnant. So they too can suffer the consequences of abortion restrictions.

  96. 96.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    @Immanentize

    effed up but super well endowed

    Context is all, ain’t it?

    ;)

  97. 97.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 12:59 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Hmmm, A Bohemian Czech take on Rathgar, Irish food — what could go wrong?!

  98. 98.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    @Immanentize: yeah, I was definitely contributorily negligent in selecting it, but I wanted to try the lamb burger.  Subsequently, I can no longer say “I’ve never had a lamb burger I didn’t like!”

  99. 99.

    Nettoyeur

    July 29, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    @Cameron: Read a story about a non degreed former waitress in FL doing three weeks of training by observation before taking up her new job as a 3rd grade teacher. She didn’t know what “phonetics” is.

  100. 100.

    Ruckus

    July 29, 2022 at 1:03 pm

    @Kent:

    I said the cost to RUN the government, not that taxes were the same. Sure it costs more to have a better place to live, improvements/repairs, etc, but the governing part isn’t a lot different on a per person basis. The way the money is collected can have a huge difference on what it feels like it costs, if the costs are not distributed reasonably.

  101. 101.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:04 pm

    @Nettoyeur: Oh both my son and I know that. But after his recent near-fatal experience at the Houston medical center, my particular fear of a daughter or any woman moving to Texas who needs health care is death by policy.

  102. 102.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:06 pm

    @NotMax: It certainly is. I kinda was expecting a “phasing!” From someone.

    By the way, you offer to act as crumudgeonly caretaker is accepted. Pending closing.

  103. 103.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: You took a comic risk.

    Re: lamb. How come in the US, almost all Shepherd’s Pie is made with ground beef? Wouldn’t that be Cowherd’s Pie?

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 1:08 pm

    @Immanentize: All the best people are.

  105. 105.

    Miss Bianca

    July 29, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    @Immanentize: Wasn’t it just 60 years ago that JFK was forced to say he wouldn’t be reporting to the Vatican as President? Actually out-loud say it?

  106. 106.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:10 pm

    @Nettoyeur: I read that in Florida(?) They are now making teaching an open profession for veterans regardless of education or training? Nothing like training to kill on command without question  better suits a grade school teacher.

  107. 107.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 29, 2022 at 1:10 pm

    @Immanentize: I get to do an AKSHULLY!

    AKSHULLY, when it’s made with beef, it should be “cottage pie”.

  108. 108.

    Paul in KY

    July 29, 2022 at 1:12 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: My wifey can become preggers, so maybe not so good a choice now.

  109. 109.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:12 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: tru dat

  110. 110.

    Jinchi

    July 29, 2022 at 1:13 pm

    @cain: Of course, we also allow you to die by your own hand.

    I’d take that over Florida and Texas which give you numerous options to die at somebody else’s.

  111. 111.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:13 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know, but I like the homophone aspects of “Cowherd”

  112. 112.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    @Miss Bianca:@Immanentize: Wasn’t it just 60 years ago that JFK was forced to say he wouldn’t be reporting to the Vatican as President? Actually out-loud say it?

    Of course. But that wasn’t a nod to secularism.  That was a nod to mainstream white Protestantism.  You NEVER saw any Protestant candidates promise to set THEIR faith aside when governing.  Not in a million years.

  113. 113.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:15 pm

    @Paul in KY: ALL reproductive care is effed up beyond peradventure in many states now. Pregnancy is just the most prevalent of the problems with health care.

  114. 114.

    Layer8Problem

    July 29, 2022 at 1:17 pm

    @Immanentize:  Every day is Bloomsday if you think about it, and squint a bit.

  115. 115.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    @Miss Bianca: I know. The Church waxes and wanes here and there, but it is universal? Seriously, that was a disgusting speech. Both for a justice but also for ANY high ranking government official abroad. This is actually close to the first impeachable thing Scalia has done — aid and comfort to our enemies, mostly a recap of Putin talking points about the West.

  116. 116.

    Rusty

    July 29, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    @Kent: I was in a group conversation last night, and one of the women is a college counselor (she helps students with selecting colleges, etc.).  She was stunned that she already has parents crossing schools off her prepared lists that are in states that are enacting abortion restrictions.  There are parents that do not want to send their daughters to Texas, etc.  It will be interesting to see if it’s a one time response or continues.  I suspect that all it will take are a few articles about the deaths of young women from lack of access to healthcare because of abortion laws, or criminal charges against women for seeking an abortion,  and it will be permanent.

  117. 117.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    @Layer8Problem: I live that reality, but without enough absinthe.

  118. 118.

    Baud

    July 29, 2022 at 1:20 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Alito.

  119. 119.

    raven

    July 29, 2022 at 1:21 pm

    @Immanentize: Fuckin mackerel snappers, burn em at the stake!

  120. 120.

    Cameron

    July 29, 2022 at 1:22 pm

    @Nettoyeur: “Phonetics?”  What’s that, some sort of woke critical race theory groomer talk?  Yes, indeed, from what I’ve seen they’ve dropped all qualifications because there are way too many unfilled teaching positions.

  121. 121.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:23 pm

    @Rusty: I have a friend who is also in the college counseling world in the DC area — and she has had the opposite problem, fathers who want their daughters to go to schools in such a State, but the kids who know better. Her job is to side with the student against the status insane parent.  I think this trend is just starting to get rolling. And I intend to make it roll along quicker.

  122. 122.

    Amir Khalid

    July 29, 2022 at 1:25 pm

    @Immanentize:
    Yeah, you’d think a restaurant owner/operator would know stuff like that. Proper shepherd’s pie is made only with ground lamb, an obviously more appropriate meat for the name. The version made with ground beef is of course cottage pie. (Which sounds weird, because as far as I know cattle are not housed in cottages.)​

  123. 123.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:25 pm

    @Baud: Freud is strong in me.

    I actually like Scalia way better than Alito and I apologize for besmirching his good name.

  124. 124.

    catclub

    July 29, 2022 at 1:26 pm

    @ian: I don’t claim any special economic knowledge- but isn’t a recession 3 quarters of negative growth?

     

    No.

     

    Usually it is two quarters of negative GDP growth, but ONLY IF it also includes high unemployment and lower consumer spending.  Those are not happening.

  125. 125.

    catclub

    July 29, 2022 at 1:27 pm

    @Amir Khalid: The version made with ground beef is of cottage pie.

     

    Maybe cottage fries are made with beef tallow.

  126. 126.

    Soprano2

    July 29, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    @trollhattan: Between the heat and lack of water that will probably happen eventually.

  127. 127.

    Layer8Problem

    July 29, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    @Immanentize:  My one-stop absinthe shop in Midtown closed its doors a few years back, and Ricard and Pernod just don’t cut the mustard.

  128. 128.

    Spanky

    July 29, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @Miss Bianca:  “Just” 60 years ago? Fifteen (!) Presidential elections.

  129. 129.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @cain:

    Only if the taliban wing of the Supreme Court doesn’t strike down title 9 for some bullshit reason.   Not one Republican in a 1000 would give a shit if women’s colleaguis women’s collegiate sports ceased to exist.  Hell, most of them think women shouldn’t even be allowed in college because it distracts them from having babies.

  130. 130.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @Rusty:@Kent: I was in a group conversation last night, and one of the women is a college counselor (she helps students with selecting colleges, etc.).  She was stunned that she already has parents crossing schools off her prepared lists that are in states that are enacting abortion restrictions.  There are parents that do not want to send their daughters to Texas, etc.  It will be interesting to see if it’s a one time response or continues.  I suspect that all it will take are a few articles about the deaths of young women from lack of access to healthcare because of abortion laws, or criminal charges against women for seeking an abortion,  and it will be permanent.

    I’m a HS teacher so I advise a lot of young students about college.  I also have three daughters, one in HS, one in college, and one graduated.

    My guess is that this will have a HUGE effect on the willingness of blue state girls to move to red states for college.  Even the bullshit like the recent Montana decision to allow open carry of firearms on college campuses left a mark on the willingness of girls from here in WA to go to Montana State, which was a popular choice and a school that heavily recruits here.  I also expect Boise State to decline in attractiveness in this region as a result.  It might also hurt their chances to join the Pac-12 if UCLA and USC leave.  I expect UNLV and San Diego State to be the two front runners for those spots if Idaho keeps making itself a pariah state to the rest of the west coast.

    I doubt it will have all that much effect on decisions by southern or red state girls to stay home.  That is sort of the lobster in the pot phenomenon.

    There are schools like Alabama which have greatly ramped up their wealth and selectivity by offering generous  pricing to rich out-of-state kids from the north.  I expect that to tail off somewhat.  And some southern “Ivies” like Vanderbilt, Rice, and Washington U will probably lose some students as well.

  131. 131.

    Baud

    July 29, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Alito is the worst justice of the modern era, which is saying something.

  132. 132.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:29 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Ahhh, now I get to do an AKCHEWLY… Families with only one or two cows would often house them in the lower floor of their cottage, in part as heaters in cold weather, if they could afford to build a two level place. (Also useful for shift-blaming one’s own smells?)

  133. 133.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:31 pm

    @catclub: Maybe a cottage industry is made with tanned hides?

  134. 134.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 1:31 pm

    @Immanentize

    If you’re more than half serious about that we may need to chat. My situation here is currently stable but nebulous future-wise since landlady died last fall.

    The very thought of packing and moving after coming up on 40 years of residence here, though, is enough to spur me on a quest for the nearest panic room, preferably one with a copious supply of pacifiers and blankies. Martinis an acceptable substitute.

  135. 135.

    ian

    July 29, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    @Amir Khalid: well sheep aren’t housed in shepherds either.

  136. 136.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @Immanentize:

    Because except around Easter, lamb is rather hard to come by in most of the country. My sister is 58 years old, and I was shocked last week when she mentioned in conversation over dinner that she had never tasted lamb.

    Side note:  The dinner was, in fact, an all Indian dinner which I cooked for them because it was my nephew’s birthday and he had never tried Indian food.. They were all visibly nervous when we sat down to eat, but I was pleased that they all seemed to thoroughly enjoy it. My brother-in-law wants the recipe for tandoori paste, which shocked me given his normally limited palate.

  137. 137.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @Baud:Alito is the worst justice of the modern era, which is saying something.

    Not just the modern era.  He is competing with Taney (Dredd Scott) and Brown (Plessy v. Fergusson).

  138. 138.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @Baud: Why confine it to the “modern” era. Was Justice Taney really any worse? Just different language of his era, which might even be mitigating for old man Dred.

  139. 139.

    glc

    July 29, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @ian: Current definitions as I’ve seen it.

    • 2 quarters GDP decline; or
    • that, + gov’t calls it

    2nd is considered more accurate as it allows other factors to weigh in.

    On the other hand, there are various long-term rates that tell you what the market thinks, which is kind of 3rd lurking definition of something.

    The market currently thinks the Fed overshot and will be correcting before the end of the year. Meanwhile some more modest hikes expected.

    Not an economist. Not even a pretend one, like most of them.

  140. 140.

    Baud

    July 29, 2022 at 1:35 pm

    @Kent:

    @Immanentize:

    I’m less up to speed on the awfulness of more historical justices.

  141. 141.

    Soprano2

    July 29, 2022 at 1:35 pm

    @Kent: Unfortunately that won’t matter, as the press got their “two quarters of negative GDP growth=recession” talking point, and they’ll be like  dog with a bone with it. Also R’s got their “Biden recession” talking point, and they won’t give that up either. It won’t surprise me if this quarter is eventually revised enough that it shows either zero growth or a small percentage of growth, but it’ll be way too late to correct the narrative by then. The press is happy that now they can say “recession” thousands of times a day for the foreseeable future.

  142. 142.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:35 pm

    @Citizen Alan:

     

    except around Easter, lamb is rather hard to come by in most of the country

    Costco and Sam’s Club carry it year-round!

  143. 143.

    pluky

    July 29, 2022 at 1:36 pm

    @jefft452: And Jersey Turnpike jokes notwithstanding, you haven’t experienced toll roads until you’ve been to New Hampshire.

  144. 144.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    @The Moar You Know: This actually not true anymore.  California population growth has plateau-ed and has recently started to decline, per Census estimates and CA DOF:

    Link

    This has been long time coming.  Our domestic population growth in California has been in decline for awhile and our overall growth has been supported by foreign-born immigration for years.  That growth engine (which we sorely need) started getting chocked off during Obama years (he was actually pretty bad on immigration) and turned into a almost fully blocked pipeline during Trump’s reign of terror.   And then we got Covid, which shut-down a lot of global immigration everywhere.

    Meanwhile, we have the #1 reason our domestic growth (domestic births minus deaths) keeps shrinking – housing costs – being unsolved for.

  145. 145.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    @Baud:  Nope. Clarence Thomas is still worse. There may be other justices who want to reinstate lockner, but hes the only one who’s been salivating for it since the 1990s.

  146. 146.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:37 pm

    @NotMax: Ha! Finally got Island Fever? Or is it Mainland Fever?

    I am serious — if you are looking, then we should talk when this is settled. You do know they have winters in Central NY? But you would be mostly free to ramble about a beautiful part of the State.

  147. 147.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @Citizen Alan

    “What, no curried grits?”

    :)

  148. 148.

    Soprano2

    July 29, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @jefft452: A long time ago I had a BF who moved here from Nebraska. I asked him why he still hadn’t changed his plates to MO, and he said he couldn’t afford it. I said what do you mean, it’s about $25 to get plates. His eyes bugged out and he said “What? In Nebraska it costs over $300!”. You had to pay a “wheel tax” for every wheel your vehicle had! He licensed his car in MO that week.

  149. 149.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @trollhattan: We do not have a water supply issue as far as supporting more urban growth.  We have an ancient & unworkable water rights system and out of control agricultural water use issue.

    BigAg consumes 80% of California’s water and does so in the most wasteful fashion possible.  Our most efficient per capita water use is urban.  In other words, we need to grow less alfalfa and almonds in the dessert, and build more housing in cities.

  150. 150.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:39 pm

    @Immanentize: ​
     “mostly free”? I’m picturing you as Kathy Bates and NotMax as James Caan.

  151. 151.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    @Immanentize:

    TBH, despite having a law degree, I don’t know any but any opinions associated with Roger the with Roger Taney other than Dred Scott. OTOH, that opinion was so suffused with a visceral hatred for black people that it is sickening to read.  A note, not just slaves, but black people. Taney literally thought thought that the Constitution gave absolutely no rights of any kind to black people that white people were obligated to respect.

  152. 152.

    Cacti

    July 29, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    @Kent: Not just the modern era.  He is competing with Taney (Dredd Scott) and Brown (Plessy v. Fergusson).

    Alito is in line with the historic norm of SCOTUS being a heavy handed, oppressive, and reactionary institution.

  153. 153.

    Spanky

    July 29, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    @Immanentize: I don’t know if there’s an extensive catalogue of Taney speeches that demonstrate a contempt of opposing opinions and those who hold them. Alito’s, of course, get magnified through the puke funnel and bounced around 24hr media so we’ll never be rid of that meddlesome justice.

  154. 154.

    Repatriated

    July 29, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    @ian:

    well sheep aren’t housed in shepherds either.

    Well, after being made into pie, they could be…

  155. 155.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:42 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:  Nearest Sam’s club is 40 minutes away. Nearest Costco is an hour and a 1/2 away.

  156. 156.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:44 pm

    @Kent: great minds and all. BTW, I generally put the modern era as post- civil war amendments, although I know others consider it starting with the Taft Court. So for me, Brown would be in, for others, not. BTW, I think Taft was a legal genius who really steered this country into legal modernity. But he didn’t live long enough to really make all that happen (only 9 years on the Court and died before FDR got in). But in those 9 years he wrote 1/6 of all the Court opinions! Busy!

  157. 157.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:44 pm

    @NotMax:

    That actually might be pretty good. I have found that grits actually taste good provided you added enough stuff to them so that they don’t taste like grits anymore.  Black Eyed Peas are the same as far as I’m concerned.

  158. 158.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    @Baud: Well, that is a vast body of knowledge best left to others, I admit

  159. 159.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: Expensive real estate is the core problem of blue run states and blue run cities.   Its finally getting national attention: our blue states and blue cities get LOT of things right: secular, pluralistic approach to democracy, concern for rights of racial & other minorities, cultural diversity, 21st century economies leading to job growth & high wages, social welfare support systems, etc.

    What they massively screw-up is housing.  Bad land use, restrictive zoning, endless red tape of 1970s “Little NEPA” public comment environmental reviews, NIMBYism run amok, prioritizing the concerns of single family homeowners over everyone else, etc.   All leading to drastic under-supply of new housing in our most desirable – and blue-est – markets.

    That more than anything is driving out-migration to red states where, while everything else is mostly worse, at least has cheaper housing & a cheaper cost of living.

    California – as always – leads the nation.  What happens here, happens everywhere else 10 years later.   And we have been bleeding lower- and middle-income residents for years and replacing them with higher-income residents, as our housing costs (and lack of new building supply) filters for those who can most afford the costs.

  160. 160.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:47 pm

    @Citizen Alan: ​
     easiest way to make BEP palatable is to saute with a diced red pepper, then add some Creole seasoning

  161. 161.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:48 pm

    @Citizen Alan: ​Dear god man, you’re not in a food desert, you’re on food Mars.

  162. 162.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:49 pm

    @Spanky: Hmmm. That would be an interesting research project. Those guys were always writing or giving speeches about “the law.”

  163. 163.

    Spanky

    July 29, 2022 at 1:49 pm

    @Soprano2: Et al, actually.

    From the article I linked to up above …

    Timmer: This is a good opportunity to set the record straight. So the first-quarter GDP number was negative. And as we saw this morning the first estimate of second-quarter GDP came out at negative 0.9%. Because we’ve now had these 2 quarters in a row, many people may jump to conclusions and say, “We’re in a recession.”

    But I don’t believe that is correct, because having 2 quarters of negative GDP growth doesn’t necessarily mean we’re in a recession. The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) is the official arbiter of when we are in a recession, and it’s based on a number of indicators. It’s not, as is commonly believed, defined as a succession of 2 quarters of negative GDP. Most recessions include 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth, but not all 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth include a recession.

    Viewpoints: But still, isn’t 2 quarters of negative GDP growth an ominous sign?

    Timmer: The second-quarter GDP numbers can likely be explained by exports versus imports and by inventories. Many companies double- and triple-ordered stock during the supply-chain bottleneck days, and now they have too much stuff. So companies are stuck with too much inventory—there’s an inventory overhang.

    We can technically have a contraction just from that, because if companies have too much stuff already then they may stop making stuff. The NBER at some point will come out and either say we’re in a recession or they won’t. And who knows, if they do, then by the time they say that, any recession might already be over.

    But this type of technical contraction is a very different situation than one in which consumers are losing their jobs and therefore not spending money. The labor market has rarely been tighter than it is today. The most recent nonfarm payroll report still produced close to 400,000 new jobs. And if you look at the travel stats, they’re the highest they’ve been in years.

    • The US consumer is employed, has money to spend, and is spending it. When around 70% of the economy is consumer spending, it’s hard for me to connect the dots between that and recession.
  164. 164.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:49 pm

    @Citizen Alan: 40 minutes away is next door in Atlanta!

  165. 165.

    Redshift

    July 29, 2022 at 1:50 pm

    @glc:

    Current definitions as I’ve seen it.

    • 2 quarters GDP decline; or
    • that, + gov’t calls it

    2nd is considered more accurate as it allows other factors to weigh in.

    The other important feature, as I understand it, is that recessions are identified retrospectively. In particular, GDP numbers are often revised in future reports, so an economist who doesn’t have an axe to grind would never declare a recession based on numbers for the most recent quarter, much less an advance estimate.

    (See also the economics joke, “Economists Have Predicted Nine Out Of The Last Five Recessions.”)

  166. 166.

    Amir Khalid

    July 29, 2022 at 1:50 pm

    @Immanentize:

    I need a judge’s ruling on this: if it has a lower floor and an upper floor, does it still count as a cottage?

  167. 167.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 1:51 pm

    @Immanentize

    Don’t relish returning to the bluster of winter but realistically if things should go sour here I couldn’t afford to rent a corner of a Roach Motel based on Maui prices now with what I currently pay in rent.

    BTW plan to be in NY late August/early September and would not be at all averse to making a day trip upstate.

  168. 168.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:51 pm

    @GoBlueInOak: Broken Margins at 144!

    Is there a guardian angel who can fix that?

  169. 169.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 1:52 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Sure, the quintessential English cottage is usually 2-floors.  For example:

    https://www.mydomaine.com/english-cottage-decor-5087529

  170. 170.

    Origuy

    July 29, 2022 at 1:54 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Which sounds weird, because as far as I know cattle are not housed in cottages.

    Traditionally, in the British Isles, they were. A longhouse is a single-story structure, usually of stone with a thatched roof. Livestock lived at one end and the people lived at the other. Typically, the livestock were on the downhill side so that the effluent drained away.

    ETA. OK, a longhouse is not a cottage as we know them today.

  171. 171.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 1:54 pm

    @Citizen Alan: Not to give PTSD flashbacks to 1L Con Law, but from what I recall, the cases during the Taney Court era were in keeping with the Jacksonian Era, and were mostly deferential to state plenary power and police power, with a few exceptions.

    Taney Court was also the court that heard the Amistad Case.  Taney was in the majority for that one (I think)

  172. 172.

    jnfr

    July 29, 2022 at 1:54 pm

    I love that the women around this effort are on Twitter framing it as Gaetz being helpful on abortion. He’s pro-choice!

  173. 173.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Hmm, I am certain cottages can have more than one floor as long as they are small houses. But perhaps any cottage built with animals on the first floor could best be considered a hovel?

  174. 174.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    @Immanentize: ACK!  Lemme try again:  https://dof.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/Forecasting/Demographics/Documents/E-1_2022PressRelease.pdf

    That work?

  175. 175.

    Booger

    July 29, 2022 at 1:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid: So what’s Cottage Cheese then? Do I want to know?

  176. 176.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 1:56 pm

    @GoBlueInOak:

     

    Not to give PTSD flashbacks to 1L Con Law

    AAAAAUUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH!!! Too late!

  177. 177.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:56 pm

    @NotMax: We shall communicate.

  178. 178.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    @GoBlueInOak: ​
    To a point, yes, water can be shunted away from ag to urban so long as it’s a viable source. Farms that have gone from row crops and grazing to almond orchards have intentionally stymied their flexibility for irrigating one year and fallowing the next. That nonsense needs review and revision.

    Separately, the Colorado River system is close to shutting off California’s share, on which SoCal relies for a portion of their water. Meanwhile, continued drought and rising sea level threaten our ability to ship water south from the Delta via the CVP and SWP.

    It’s going to be an interesting next few decades.

    Locally, we’re seeing thousands of infill apartments going in downtown, which is all kinds of good WRT adding a lot of housing units and population who will not be clogging freeways commuting in from the exurbs. Not a lawn to be seen.

  179. 179.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    @Immanentize

    Although we never saw where it led, Miss Marple’s cottage had a staircase. That’s good enough for me.

    ;)

  180. 180.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 1:59 pm

    @GoBlueInOak: My goal in life is to create trauma worthy of PTSD in my 1L Con Law students. #IamKingsfield

  181. 181.

    MisterForkbeard

    July 29, 2022 at 2:00 pm

    @Immanentize: Not only for veterans but also for their spouses.

    You’re required to get something like 12 hours of instruction/observation and take a 4-day course to qualify.

  182. 182.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 2:00 pm

    OK Jackals, it’s zoom time!

  183. 183.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    @Redshift: I think all sensible professional economists  (i.e. the ones not running around with hair on fire) are struggling to fit the current situation into models built around a certain past set of facts, in particular the wage-price inflation spirals of the mid-20th century as well as the stagflation era of the 1970s/early 80s, given that:   (1) percentage of workforce that is unionized is WAY lower than it was in the past, greatly weakening demand-side wage-price inflation connections, and (2) the turn the economy off, turn the economy on pandemic situation is likely WAY more akin to the twin boom-busts that occurred in the late 1940s immediately following the end of WW2 and the return of waves of GIs stateside, creating a boomlet of demand meeting supply shortages as a wartime manufacturing economy shifted to a peacetime manufacturing economy.

  184. 184.

    Rusty

    July 29, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    @Kent: I hadn’t realized that some states like Montana have done open carry on campus.  Drunken college students and guns?  No thank you.  Our third daughter is off to Ohio in a few weeks to start college.  Her comment was that she was glad she already got an IUD since she would be unlikely to able to get one now in Ohio.  We also ended up discussing period tracking apps, we agreed they probably aren’t safe since no matter how good the privacy protections, the company would have to turn over the data if subpoenaed.  Finally, I told her that if she or someone she knows suspects they are pregnant, don’t use a credit card to buy a pregnancy test, it could be tracked, pay cash.  What a crazy world we are now in.

    For the colleges, we are only 3 years away from the start of the decline in the number of graduating high school seniors.  The 2008 recession drove down the birthrate and it’s stayed down.  Schools are going to need to compete harder for students, add abortion restrictions (and open carry laws etc.) and smaller schools in red states my find themselves at a severe disadvantage.

  185. 185.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:01 pm

    @Kent:

    Now, what, technically, is a shotgun shack?

  186. 186.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:03 pm

    @Rusty: ​
    I wouldn’t attend one and wouldn’t send my kid to one. Damn, that’s so stupid.

  187. 187.

    Immanentize

    July 29, 2022 at 2:05 pm

    @trollhattan: I know, as I found myself living in one.

  188. 188.

    Amir Khalid

    July 29, 2022 at 2:05 pm

    @Booger:
    I think it’s a cheese traditionally homemade rather than made in a dairy, presumably by a resident of a cottage, but I could be wrong.

  189. 189.

    Geminid

    July 29, 2022 at 2:06 pm

    @Immanentize: The Hunt Country Store calls their beef version of Shepherd’s Pie “Cottage Pie.”

  190. 190.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 2:06 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I liked Con Law.  It was a fairly easy A.

    ETA: Torts can fuck off though.  And the less said about Property the better.

  191. 191.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 2:09 pm

    @Immanentize: I mostly want to go back in time and give two middle fingers to my “libertarian” leaning, FedSoc Con Law prof who prattled on about originalism and textualism & couldn’t go two days without slobbering all over Rehnquist and Scalia.

    (That his father was a former SEC chairman and mother former HUD Secretary & USTR under Nixon-Ford, doing the Establishment Republican thing on leave from working with Charlie Munger at his eponymous firm, was all just chef’s kiss)

  192. 192.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 2:09 pm

    @trollhattan:

    because with each grumpy conservative departure New York improves some small amount. “How can I miss you if you won’t go away?” was never more apt.

    They, of course, believe that their departure will be unbelievably devastating. Turn out, nope.
     

    There’s a lot of people who don’t understand this. I think back to the Colin Kaepernick ad for Nike, and all those neckbeards posting pictures of their cut-up Nike gear, blathering about how Nike will never get another dollar from them. And Nike was like FUCKYES NOW THOSE UGLY UNWASHED COUNTRY MUSIC FANS WILL STOP BESMIRCHING OUR BRAND.

  193. 193.

    Ohio Mom

    July 29, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    Off topic: This comment is a test to see if changing my email sends me to moderation.

  194. 194.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    @Rusty: Actually it is concealed carry on Montana college campuses:  https://www.ypradio.org/montana-2021-legislature/2021-02-25/campus-conceal-carry-polarizes-students-at-montana-state

  195. 195.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:  Funny – I enjoyed Property.  Mostly as our prof was an ancient partially off his rocker Brit who’d periodically teach class using a little sock puppet & had researched into what particular Anglican parish each of the parties in Hickeringill had attended.

  196. 196.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    July 29, 2022 at 2:13 pm

    Speaking of the law, will it apply to these people?

    Yet another astounding “coincidence”:“Text messages for former President Trump’s acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf and acting deputy secretary Ken Cuccinelli are missing for a key period leading up to the Jan. 6 attack,” reports @washingtonpost tonight.— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) July 29, 2022

  197. 197.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    My usual recipe is to saute onions and garlic garlic and add them to The Black Eyed Peas in a crock pot with chicken stock, Kayden sees an income a cumin,  Louisiana heart sauce, and whatever other spices seem like a good idea. Oh and a fairly large ham hock.  Then slow cook for about 7 hours.

  198. 198.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    @Suzanne: All that happens when MAGA retirees flee NY to FL is that it opens up more housing for working class people. Win-win.

  199. 199.

    Ohio Mom

    July 29, 2022 at 2:15 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Nope, I’m good.
    Thanks being sent through tne ether to WG.

  200. 200.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:17 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: you didn’t find Pierson v. Post scintillating?  Who gets the fox that both hunters were pursuing?  I can’t think of a better way to get 1L’s fired up about their next three years.

  201. 201.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 2:17 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor

    That Rose Mary Woods sure does get around, huh?

    //

  202. 202.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:18 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

     

    easy A

    Great movie

  203. 203.

    Geminid

    July 29, 2022 at 2:18 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: Ken Cuccinelli’s an asshole’s asshole. Worst Virginia Attorney General in my lifetime. I hope he gets criminal charges for this.

  204. 204.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 2:19 pm

    @GoBlueInOak: Mine was ancient and her claim to fame was that she had the highest ever score on the Ohio Bar Exam.

  205. 205.

    FelonyGovt

    July 29, 2022 at 2:19 pm

    @Marmot: These kinds of things- ectopic pregnancies, inability of women to get medication for conditions unrelated to pregnancy, etc.- may sneak up on women in these restrictive states who think they would NEVER have an abortion.

  206. 206.

    frosty

    July 29, 2022 at 2:19 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Jangly guitar fan here, too. Bangles and Sarah Borges are at the top of the list.

  207. 207.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:20 pm

    @Citizen Alan: sounds delicious, but mine still wins as “easiest”!

  208. 208.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 2:20 pm

    @Kent: For sure.

    I will note, tho, that we really do need more new housing everywhere. Including replacement of structures. We’re not going to get where we need to get by having the olds move to Florida and Arizona.

  209. 209.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:20 pm

    @Immanentize: ​Taking inventory:
    *my beautiful house? Nope
    *my beautiful wife? Nope
    *my large automobile? Nope

  210. 210.

    Anotherlurker

    July 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    @trollhattan: A Shotgun Shack is a 1 story structure that has a central corridor.  In other words, you can fire a shotgun at one end and it won’t hit an interior wall.  A clear shot from one exterior wall to another.

  211. 211.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    @FelonyGovt:@Marmot: These kinds of things- ectopic pregnancies, inability of women to get medication for conditions unrelated to pregnancy, etc.- may sneak up on women in these restrictive states who think they would NEVER have an abortion.

    And when they sneak up you generally need care NOW and don’t have the time to book flights to some blue state to arrange for out-of-state care.

  212. 212.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    @NotMax: I understand she invented Pilates.

  213. 213.

    Captain C

    July 29, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    @trollhattan:

    I won’t be surprised if places like Arizona become uninhabitable.

    If their allotment from the Colorado River gets reduced, they may be in for a world of hurt, at least the far-too-large golf industry.

  214. 214.

    Paul in KY

    July 29, 2022 at 2:22 pm

    @Immanentize: True dat!

  215. 215.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 2:22 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I had a dude in class who argued that P v. P could be analyzed on the basis of class since one person was hunting on horseback and the other was on foot.

  216. 216.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:23 pm

    @Anotherlurker: ​
    Thanks! Guessing the neighbors would prefer you only load rock salt in the shotgun.

  217. 217.

    Old School

    July 29, 2022 at 2:23 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    It’s hard to know where to begin with the inaccuracies in this reporting. @mariasacchetti @CarolLeonnig gave me just hours to “respond” while I was traveling. Had they actually attempted to reach me this is what I would have said…

    Chad Wolf (@ChadFWolf) July 29, 2022

    —

    Chad, I don’t see you citing any inaccuracies. Please let us know what you believe they are and we will be happy to review. We reported the facts, as documented in correspondence with your former agency. 1) Your texts are missing.2) DHS said the reason is they reset your phone.

    Carol Leonnig (@CarolLeonnig)July 29, 2022

  218. 218.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:24 pm

    1. @trollhattan:  Indeed.  There is a fairly well stocked kroger in Oxford and Tupelo (Mississippi),  And I have reason to visit one or the other of them every 2 weeks or so. That’s when I stock up on the “exotic” stuff like tandoori paste or spinach tortillas.
  219. 219.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 2:25 pm

    @Captain C:If their allotment from the Colorado River gets reduced, they may be in for a world of hurt, at least the far-too-large golf industry.

    Arizona is still doing ridiculously stupid stuff like farming water-intensive crops such as alfalfa in the desert.  They are still a long way from coming to grips with the reality of living in a desert.  But that time will eventually come, probably sooner rather than later.

  220. 220.

    Anotherlurker

    July 29, 2022 at 2:26 pm

    @frosty: You want jangly guitar?  2 names: Roger MaGuinn and Leo Kotke.

    I rest my case, your honor!

  221. 221.

    Baud

    July 29, 2022 at 2:26 pm

    @Old School:

    It’s hard to know where to begin with the inaccuracies in this reporting

    “So I won’t.”

  222. 222.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 2:27 pm

    @Suzanne: Agreed.  I’m just pointing out that there is a net benefit in a lot of ways when MAGA retirees leave as soon as their productivity declines to zero.

  223. 223.

    geg6

    July 29, 2022 at 2:27 pm

    @Rusty: ​
     
    We have a very high number of students coming to my campus from TX this year. Not all have come to an in-person summer orientation session, but several that have told me that they were getting their daughters to a place that felt “safe.” I knew what they meant. We are also getting a higher number than usual of Black and Hispanic students from TX and FL, of all genders. Several of those parents have mentioned “safety” as a concern for why they were sending them here.
    My heart aches for them. They are willing to spend big bucks and send their kids thousands of miles away to make sure they are in what they consider a “safe” place. It’s very sad.

  224. 224.

    JaneE

    July 29, 2022 at 2:30 pm

    @catclub: A recession isn’t official until the National Bureau of Economic Research says so. Their criteria include multiple factors.  This is not the first time the rule of thumb and the official criteria have diverged or diverged temporarily, and every time we have to go through all the reasons GDP can be negative without the US being in recession.  The pandemic and its continuing fallout will be messing with the economy and its metrics for quite a while.

    If the Fed rate hikes bring a halt to new residential construction as seems to be the case where I am, we may get a jump in unemployment very quickly.  Just in time for the midterms of course, almost as if it were designed that way.

  225. 225.

    trollhattan

    July 29, 2022 at 2:31 pm

    @geg6: ​OOS tuition for state universities can be very high, on par with exotic private schools in some cases. It’s a huge commitment for middle and lower income families.

  226. 226.

    WaterGirl

    July 29, 2022 at 2:31 pm

    @GoBlueInOak:  Edited your link because the URL was wrong and because it was breaking the margins on phones.

    All better now, on both fronts.

  227. 227.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I love it when people brag about scoring high on pass/fail tests

  228. 228.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 2:33 pm

    @Immanentize

    Just checked. There’s a Costco in Rome, NY!

  229. 229.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:34 pm

    @frosty: ​
     I concur. You have excellent taste!

  230. 230.

    geg6

    July 29, 2022 at 2:34 pm

    @Citizen Alan: ​
     
    Agreed. I have some traveling to do if I want to go to a Costco or Sam’s Club. Thankfully, our local Giant Eagle and Aldi’s often have lamb of various cuts.

  231. 231.

    Cacti

    July 29, 2022 at 2:35 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I didn’t think Torts was all that bad.  But agree that Property can fuck right off.  And the Rule Against Perpetuities can fuck off in perpetuity.

  232. 232.

    Steve in the ATL

    July 29, 2022 at 2:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     future insurance defense lawyer?

  233. 233.

    Paul in KY

    July 29, 2022 at 2:38 pm

    @Layer8Problem: The last good absinthe I had originated in Turkey & was brought back by a USAF officer many years ago. I was friends with his son & we had a memorable evening sampling it.

    He took it up to New York when he left to take a job & a roommate surreptitiously drank it all!  The fucker!!

  234. 234.

    Cacti

    July 29, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    <blockquote><a href=”#comment-8575596″>@Kent</a>: Arizona is still doing ridiculously stupid stuff like farming water-intensive crops such as alfalfa in the desert.  They are still a long way from coming to grips with the reality of living in a desert.  But that time will eventually come, probably sooner rather than later.</blockquote>
    Lake Mead is already at Tier II crisis level. The the drought in its 22nd year shows no signs of abating, so Tier III is just a matter of time.

    We’re probably in the final decade of people in the lower basin states having broadleaf trees, backyard swimming pools, and grass lawns.

  235. 235.

    Spanky

    July 29, 2022 at 2:44 pm

    @geg6: But as an alumni it makes me proud! And you should be, too.

  236. 236.

    geg6

    July 29, 2022 at 2:45 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Yes, the tuition is very high.  OOS students here generally pay similar costs to the local privates.  One good thing they did this year was to use some University funds to offset the tuition increase for families with $75K AGI or less, whether in-state or OOS.  Also, a few years ago, we began a program of scholarships for students from contiguous states + DC that brings their tuition down to in-state rates.

  237. 237.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 2:49 pm

    @Cacti

    And the discovery of bodies in Lake Mead continues apace.

  238. 238.

    Tony G

    July 29, 2022 at 2:52 pm

    @Captain C: That’s right.  As I understand it, Arizona was essentially a desert with a small population until they got ahold of the Colorado River water (and until air conditioning was invented). If that water diminishes, Phoenix and it’s suburbs will become giant ghost towns.

  239. 239.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 2:52 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Do Greatful Dead fans do that?

  240. 240.

    frosty

    July 29, 2022 at 2:56 pm

    @Anotherlurker: Yep! I will note that Susanna Hoffa played a Rickenbacker, albeit with 6 fewer stings than McGuinn used.

  241. 241.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 2:57 pm

    @Kent: You want to see the stupidest thing in Arizona and possibly the country? Here you go.

    There’s a city twice the size of Tucson out in the desert south of Apache Junction. It houses 900,000 people in thousands upon thousands of homes.

    But it just hasn’t been built yet.

    The area is 276 square miles of empty desert called Superstition Vistas. It stretches from the southern border of Apache Junction, down the edge of San Tan Valley, all the way down to Florence, then across to the US 60 and beyond.

    —-

    As of now, there is no plan to supply water to all 900,000 people.

    But also, as of now, there’s only a four-square-mile area of Superstition Vistas that’s under construction.

  242. 242.

    Paul in KY

    July 29, 2022 at 3:00 pm

    @Anotherlurker: I thought it was long & rectangular with each room having 2 exterior walls (minimum) & doors leading from one room to other. No central corridor.

  243. 243.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 3:01 pm

    @Suzanne

    Kind of interesting in its own way: The Rise and Fall of Bisbee, Arizona.

  244. 244.

    Gravenstone

    July 29, 2022 at 3:04 pm

    @Soprano2: Ran into that when I took a job in Michigan a few decades back. Got the MI driver’s license but kept my OH plates because it cost big bucks and I was making small dollars. The police were none too pleased by that combination when I got popped for speeding a few months into my somewhat brief return tenure up there.

  245. 245.

    O. Felix Culpa

    July 29, 2022 at 3:06 pm

    @Suzanne:

    My parents live in Prescott. The amount of new home construction in that area, especially around Embry-Riddle and beyond, is ridiculous. No way there’s enough water to sustain that kind of growth, but I get the sense that real estate and construction interests have captured Arizona government.

  246. 246.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 29, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    @Immanentize:

    If I recall correctly rice stadium was built and 55 or 56 when rice was a member of the Southwest conference and played Major Powers such as Texas a&m Arkansas smutcu Baylor and rice itself was a major power.

    Bryce Rice went to the Cotton bowl in Dallas in 57 where we played Navy and two the sugar bowl in New Orleans a year or two later. I think in a 3 years I was a student where I went to a bowl game three times.

    Of course the stadium was a big joke since it was so much larger than the student body. The student joke was that when Rice played Texas or Texas A&M there were more local Houston people rooting for the team we played than were rooting for Rice

  247. 247.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    @GoBlueInOak:  I actually loved Con Law.   It was Contracts I hated with a passion. To to this day, hearing someone mention the UCC causes my eye to twitch.

  248. 248.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 3:15 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: Homebuilding is Arizona’s largest real industry. It is the most development-friendly place I have ever worked. Land-use law consists of paying an expensive attorney to put in a call a friend. The consequence of this is that it has to keep growing in order to maintain financial survival. But that is, of course, unsustainable.

    It increasingly fills me with panic. There is not enough water, the place is hot and getting hotter, they have a nuclear power plant there with no good way to escape, and it’s on fire every year.

  249. 249.

    Gravenstone

    July 29, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa: I attended Riddle for a hot minute in the early 80s (belatedly realized I had selected the wrong campus for my preferred major). That campus was several miles outside of Prescott proper at the time. Guessing quite a bit of sprawl in the intervening decades.

  250. 250.

    Ladyraxterinok

    July 29, 2022 at 3:20 pm

    @Ladyraxterinok:

    Sure missed up that post!!

  251. 251.

    Citizen Alan

    July 29, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    @Cacti:

    The rule against perpetuities is one of those things which absolutely infuriates me because I did not understand it at all until the guy on the bar prep video explained it in 3 minutes in a perfectly comprehensible manner.  They should just make everyone watch Barbri videos for the 1st week of law school before handing students over to pompous overpaid professors who spend  a whole Contracts class explaining what consideration and then you still have to go look it up in the law dictionary to actually understand it

  252. 252.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    @O. Felix Culpa

    Feel semi-obligated to link to a phony radio PSA from the 1960s about Arizona’s Nocturnal Defense Laboratories.

    “We’re not allowed to tell you what you do there but rest assured it’s very interesting.”

    :)

    (If you receive a browser warning from the link about risk, it is only because the site predates the implementation of the https protocol and has never been updated, but it’s perfectly safe to continue in this case.)

  253. 253.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 3:24 pm

    @Gravenstone: Riddle is definitely now part of the city.

    I did a few projects up in Prescott. I got multiple projects through plan review with nothing so much as a redline comment. BUILD BUILD BUILD!!!

    I actually really like it there if not for the Republicans and the impending doom.

  254. 254.

    Captain C

    July 29, 2022 at 3:26 pm

    @Anotherlurker:

    You want jangly guitar?

    Don’t forget the Gin Blossoms.  (In keeping with the water discussions, an AZ band.)

  255. 255.

    Gravenstone

    July 29, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    @Suzanne: I find that somewhat humorous that the campus has been integrated into Prescott. At the time I was there, the townies absolutely loathed Riddle and their students because it was only recently a former liberal arts campus, so the obvious stereotypes of what the students were like prevailed. But they were sure happy enough to take whatever money we wanted to spend in town.

  256. 256.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 3:35 pm

    @Suzanne

    Reminded that when Dick van Dyke agreed to do a new sitcom years after the one with Mary Tyler Moore a stipulation of his contract was that the network construct (and foot the bill for) full television studio production facilities in his then hometown of Carefree, AZ.

  257. 257.

    Captain C

    July 29, 2022 at 3:42 pm

    @Suzanne: That seems very, very shortsighted.  Even assuming water, what are all those people supposed to do?  Are they hoping for industry to follow the people there even though there’s no water?  Other than cashing deposit checks, what were the developers even thinking of?

    I love Arizona and think of it as my home away from home, but there seem to be an alarming number of get-rich-quick-and-what-consequences? schemers out there.

  258. 258.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 3:48 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You win.

  259. 259.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    @Citizen Alan: Ha!  I feel ya – Now imagine if your prof wrote White & Summers on the UCC…

    Still got flashbacks…

  260. 260.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 3:50 pm

    @Captain C:

    That seems very, very shortsighted.

    You think?

    In all seriousness, you are asking for a contingency plan and there isn’t one. The place is full of people who just refuse to consider bad outcomes. It’s not denying that bad things could happen. It’s refusal to even consider or acknowledge that bad things happen at all. It’s just not part of that mindset. There’s no careful risk management. There’s just a ludicrous, toxic optimism that everything is great!

    ETA: From that link, on how to supply water to 272 square miles of planned development: “‘There’s a lot of smart people thinking of ways,’ he said. ‘Will it cost more money? Yes.'”

  261. 261.

    GoBlueInOak

    July 29, 2022 at 3:53 pm

    @trollhattan: Multifamily urban development is what we need a LOT more of.  Most efficient use of space.

    As far as folks growing almonds, alfalfa and  sushi rice in the desert – I am frankly of the mind of “goodbye Felicia”.  As in literally no one is going to starve if all of those  cash crop Ag products are no longer grown at all in California.

  262. 262.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 29, 2022 at 3:53 pm

    @Citizen Alan: Oddly, the RAP did make sense to me fairly quickly.  In my study group, you could literally watch people faces and see when it clicked for them.

  263. 263.

    Captain C

    July 29, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    @Suzanne: Physics always wins in the end.  Either they get a clue, or they re-learn the lessons of the Hohokam the hard way.  Given that it’s Arizona developers…

  264. 264.

    Captain C

    July 29, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    @Suzanne:

    There’s just a ludicrous, toxic optimism that everything is great!

    So, Kevin Bacon’s character at the end of Animal House.  ALL IS WELL!!!!

  265. 265.

    J R in WV

    July 29, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    @cain: ​
     

    They can fuck off and go to east Texas or some other lower tier American society.

    Of Texas, the Hillcountry and East TX are the best parts, Cajun and creole style food. West Texas, take plenty of spam with, and canned pineapple, extra gasoline to get the hell out with, nothing in West TX is any good, dunno why people live there!

  266. 266.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 4:21 pm

    @GoBlueInOak: We can even do single-family that isn’t dumb. Reduce setbacks and remove height restrictions and narrow the streets and it can absolutely be done. A simple change to minimum floor area ratio (FAR) can increase density per square foot of land.

    ETA: Also allow ADUs/guest houses/casitas.

  267. 267.

    WaterGirl

    July 29, 2022 at 4:23 pm

    @frosty:

    Susanna Hoffa

    Did you mean Susanna Hoffs?

  268. 268.

    J R in WV

    July 29, 2022 at 4:28 pm

    @trollhattan: ​
     

    Alito is so deranged he actually believes that forcing his peculiar religious beliefs on everyone in a huge nation can be referred to as “religious liberty” instead of the theocratic fascism it really is. Same as most of the other “Catholic” believers on the Supreme Court. Needs fixed in teh worst way.

    And when Alito dies, if he meets Jesus, I hope he is disappointed when Jesus turns his back on him and sends him to the down elevator shaft. No elevator, just the shaft. With smoke and sparks floating up it. So long Sam!!! ;~)

  269. 269.

    Brian

    July 29, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    @RaflW:  It looks like Texas is not that dissimilar to California WRT “grocery” taxes, in that most food items are not taxed. The exceptions in Texas are things like flavored waters, bottle tea, and snack portions of things like cake and ice cream. Things like facial tissue, dish soap, toilet paper etc are taxed in California even if bought at a grocery store.

  270. 270.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    @J R in WV: Someone told me east texas was terrible – maybe I misremembered.

  271. 271.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 4:36 pm

    @Suzanne

    Seen this slim “beauty?”

    All that’s missing is a beam piercing the darkness from behind a Fresnel lens rotating on top.

    ;)

  272. 272.

    cain

    July 29, 2022 at 4:38 pm

    @J R in WV:

    And when Alito dies, if he meets Jesus, I hope he is disappointed when Jesus turns his back on him and sends him to the down elevator shaft. No elevator, just the shaft. With smoke and sparks floating up it. So long Sam!!! ;~)

    Hopefully, Joe wins the toss to push him down the shaft – screaming “lets go brandon!”

  273. 273.

    frosty

    July 29, 2022 at 4:42 pm

    @WaterGirl: Yes, Hoffs. I blame fat thumbs, the a is next to the s.

    LOL I did it again! Glad I proofread it this time.

  274. 274.

    J R in WV

    July 29, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    @Citizen Alan: ​
     

    Taney literally thought thought that the Constitution gave absolutely no rights of any kind to black people that white people were obligated to respect.

    So — Alito is just like Taney, only both black people AND WOMEN have no rights that white men must respect !!!

  275. 275.

    Suzanne

    July 29, 2022 at 4:50 pm

    @NotMax: White people don’t have enough window treatments.

  276. 276.

    J R in WV

    July 29, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    @Amir Khalid: ​
     

    I need a judge’s ruling on this: if it has a lower floor and an upper floor, does it still count as a cottage?

    My paternal grandfather was born to a pair of Swiss immigrants up in Ohio dairy country. They spoke Switzerdeutch at home, granddad learned English when he got into grade school…

    So we had relatives in the old country, and many of them were goat farmers, typical Swiss dairy farming. A Great-g-g-uncle was supposed to have lived upstairs, and his goats spent the winter downstairs, partly to help keep the upstairs warmer…

    Come spring, everyone moved on up the mountain to live (camp out) on the meadows, which no doubt the goats loved. Probably GGGG-uncle died in the mid-1800s… a hard life, but free and wild.

  277. 277.

    Kent

    July 29, 2022 at 5:39 pm

    @cain:@J R in WV: Someone told me east texas was terrible – maybe I misremembered.

    It is terrible.  Some of the shittiest towns in all of Texas are in east Texas.  Like Marshall, Longview, Jasper, Beaumont, etc.  It is the most racist part of Texas by far.

    Having lived for 13 years in TX and having traveled all over the state I concluded that the only two towns I could probably live in are San Antonio and Fort Worth.  Not Austin which has a lot of hipster stuff but is otherwise a suburban sprawl and traffic hellhole.

    West Texas is a huge vast region.  But there are parts that are nice.  I liked the David Mountains and my favorite place to camp was Davis Mountain State Park next to the McDonald Observatory.  https://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/davis-mountains  the landscape around there looks like this:  https://fineartamerica.com/featured/highway-166-davis-mountains-scenic-loop-and-sawtooth-mountain-fort-davis-west-texas-silvio-ligutti.html

    And if you go far enough west you get to the Guadalupe Mountains National Park which is beautiful but there is no place near there to live except perhaps Carlsbad NM.

  278. 278.

    Rocks

    July 29, 2022 at 6:03 pm

    @J R in WV: Permian Basin

  279. 279.

    Liminal Owl

    July 29, 2022 at 7:56 pm

    @Immanentize: And feuding?

    (Seconding the rest of your comment.)

  280. 280.

    Liminal Owl

    July 29, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    @Immanentize: And feuding?

    (Seconding the rest of your comment.)

    @Omnes Omnibus: When I was an undergrad, the student newspaper ran an item about a Property Law final where the instructor wrote on the board, “Property is theft. Discuss.” And that was the whole exam.

    (I took a Con Law elective for social studies, senior year of HS, and loved it. My best friend from HS talked me out of going to law school later on.)

    Oops thread is probably dead by now. Neglected to hit “post” earlier.

  281. 281.

    Liminal Owl

    July 29, 2022 at 9:17 pm

    @Anotherlurker: Add Pete and Maura Kennedy.

  282. 282.

    NotMax

    July 29, 2022 at 9:37 pm

    @Geminid

    And sometimes Texas even has electricity!

    //

  283. 283.

    ExpatDanBKK

    July 30, 2022 at 9:14 am

    @Kent: ​
      Yeah but 3 of the 4 biggest college football stadiums are in the legacy Big 10: Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State…

  284. 284.

    WaterGirl

    July 30, 2022 at 10:31 am

    @frosty: I blame autocorrect.

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