.?@VP? at a Black History Month celebration at the White House:
“Black history is American history.”
“We will not as a nation build a better future for America by trying to erase America’s past.” pic.twitter.com/RdQqZLqPg4
— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) February 27, 2023
Puck‘s Tara Palmeri is a journalistic botfly, but I find it reassuring that Vice-President Harris has strong, outspoken supporters & strategists:
Eight months before the 2020 election, when Joe Biden was looking for a running mate who would solidify his coalition, the Democratic strategist Karen Finney and a small group of prominent Black political savants (Minyon Moore and Leah Daughtry, among others) pushed him to choose a Black female running mate. One month later, they specifically made the case for his one-time foe, Kamala Harris.
Finney, who is also a CNN commentator, remains a friend of Harris and a member of her kitchen cabinet. She reliably defends the vice president in the wake of stories about turnover in her office, say, or other political challenges. She’s also among a group of powerful female strategists who have met in D.C. to deeply ponder how to rewrite the narrative that Harris is underperforming in her historic role.
As Biden prepares to embark on a re-election campaign, Harris will enter uncharted territory: She’s on the bottom of the ticket, sure, but she will also be understudying the oldest commander-in-chief in history. Unlike in 2020, she’ll be very much in the political foreground, the subject of scrutiny within her party and brutal attacks from her opponents. I spoke to Finney about the Harris narrative, and how it might be revised before Biden hits the stump.
Tara Palmeri: Greg Craig, White House Counsel during the Obama administration, wrote an op-ed in the Times arguing that Biden should let the delegates at the Democratic convention pick his running mate. He suggests it’s the best way to address fears about Biden’s age and succession.
Karen Finney: It’s ridiculous. I chalk this up to the sort of inside-the-Beltway parlor chatter we always see. Remember when they talked about if Trump was going to drop Pence? There are always these machinations. President Biden has made it clear he’s running, he’s running with Harris, full stop. All of the rest of this is noise. Having been in this business for 30 years, I’ve seen this movie before…
The vice president’s approval rating is tied to the president’s and the administration. I would remind people inside the Beltway that the conventional wisdom when Joe Biden was vice president was that he would never run for president and couldn’t be elected. They said Barack Obama couldn’t be elected. And people said there’s no way Donald Trump is elected. Oh, and the Red Wave—that was supposed to happen. Of course, with the Red Wave people were not paying attention to women and people of color and young people, who felt very strongly about democracy and reproductive freedom. Everybody was banking on the old way of thinking, and it turns out they were completely wrong.
Harris is extremely popular with the base of the Democratic party. That’s why Karen Bass had her come to Los Angeles several times to help rev up Democratic turnout. That’s also why they had her come to New York several times. To my mind, I won’t entertain [removing Harris from the ticket]—Black voters would read it as Well, you don’t value what we bring to the table. As Black women, we bring our community out to vote. Are you really going to tell Black voters you’re not interested?…
Throughout history, the role [of Vice-President] has evolved. I see Kamala Harris evolving the role. On the other hand, she’s completely different, and she’s bringing her own expertise and experience to the role. She’s a historic first.
How is she redefining it?
Some of it is in the issues. Some of the issues that were in the bipartisan infrastructure bill around lead pipes, electric school buses, and clean water. With Al Gore, it was climate and government. Each person brings in an issue portfolio. It’s why she wanted to take on voting rights, housing, for-profit colleges, and maternal health. For a whole week, the administration talked about maternal health which is a crisis in the country but has never been raised to that level.
She’s using her platform to raise up voices that you don’t normally see elevated by a vice president. She did an event with disabled Americans and reproductive rights.
It feels like it’s not breaking through, though.
We don’t always see that in the national press, but in the local press. And that matters. The national press doesn’t always focus on the substance, on her work. It’s all the palace intrigue, instead of talking about her work on the housing crisis or access to capital for small businesses.
The challenge of the role traditionally is that you don’t hear a lot about what the vice president is doing. Both the White House writ large and our friends in the press, we should be talking more about the substance so that we are feeding that interest and that excitement that people have. Look at what happened around reproductive freedom after the Dobbs decision: she convened leaders around the country and real women, reinforcing this as an issue around freedom and democracy. It dovetailed perfectly with the president’s message on democracy and freedom. You had a real one-two punch.
You saw it last week, when she went to Munich and delivered this very tough and important message about Russia, speaking to our allies while the president was in Poland. The White House did a briefing talking about that one-two punch. It was a successful week for the administration and an effective delivery of messaging to our allies. Her speech got a bit of lift from the White House. Her voice was a part of the strategy…
… But Dick Cheney was the national security brain, Al Gore was climate change, Mike Pence was Trump’s conservative alter-ego, the adult in the room. What is Kamala?
It’s less just-issue focused. In each of those instances, the person brought something different to the table than the president. She brings different relationships with Congress, she’s a former member of the Congressional Black Caucus, and having been an attorney general, she brings a different experience around how policy in Washington impacts people on the ground. I think she and Joe Biden complement each other. It’s very different to be one of two daughters of a single mother. Her career is around children, women, and working people. She’s doing work on the home mortgage process, environmental clean-up, women’s rights, protecting working people…
I don’t think people really cover Biden’s announcements, either.
I disagree. Early on when she was working on the reproductive rights issue after Dobbs fell, and it was clear that she was going to take it on, I was talking to a reporter on the V.P. beat, who did not know that she was recognized as person of the year by NARAL California. That’s a big deal. There has to be a bit more.
Is that her team?
They were talking about it. Part of the reason she’s an effective messenger for the administration is because she had a real history with women’s organizations. I remember also having conversations with some of the Washington reporters. I said women are very critical to the Democratic party, and it was sort of dismissed. My intention is not to blame the media. We want to see more on the substance. Your audience is curious about her. I think the White House is recognizing that they need to use more of their resources to focus on what she’s doing and to have that intentionality…
There’s always the fear of overshadowing the president. No one will forget when Biden slipped and announced the Obama administration’s reversal on gay marriage. Does the West Wing have to forget this concern and promote her more than the boss?
That’s an old concept. She’s not going to overshadow him, she just strengthens his messaging. America is in a different place as a country that is divided. To build a winning coalition, you want all of your best players on the field. In 2024, young voters could outnumber older voters. Who is your audience? Who is your electorate? I do not want to be in this piece saying anything disparaging about the president. I’m a full believer. He has a winning record. I don’t think we would have been able to accomplish the things we’ve been able to accomplish without his experience and wisdom. I put all of this stuff about his age aside. Embrace the strength of this partnership and its ability to deliver for America. Don’t worry about overshadowing…
One of the criticisms of the vice president is that she’s very cautious.
I see this as someone who is conscious of the weight of the office that she’s in. They took office just weeks after an insurrection. I don’t think there’s a right answer, because if she was doing it differently she would be criticized. There’s a different level of scrutiny…
On The Road – lashonharangue – Namibia – Part 1
OzarkHillbilly
Unlike her wet towel predecessor.
rikyrah
Good Morning Everyone 😊😊😊
Baud
I wonder what’s she’s talking about.
Baud
@rikyrah:
Good morning.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
Yeah, I’ve never seen so much hand wringing about a Veep.
Cheney is probably the most powerful Veep we’ve ever had. Most of the others have always been side kicks, if that.
Kristine
QFT
WereBear
This entire post illustrates that we managed to dodge actual monarchy, but our corporate press went ahead to be courtiers ANYWAY.
Showing us who really has the power around here, you buncha slobs.
Cliosfanboy
@OzarkHillbilly: more of a damp rag than wet towel I think. :)
Baud
Not sure how Fox got the debate prep stuff in advance.
WereBear
Gee, what is DIFFERENT about this one? Let me look at all the VPs in order and see if my fluffy ladybrainz can figure that out :)
Betty Cracker
Quote from the OP:
I mentioned that thunderingly dumb piece by Craig in yesterday’s morning thread, just to remark on how absurd the idea is. In a TPM post yesterday, Josh Marshall said of the column’s premise, “this is such a spectacularly bad idea that it’s barely possible for me to understand how this piece even got published let alone how Craig came up with the idea.”
But as we know, this is how issues get “out there” and thus become fodder for discussion. Finney is asked about Craig’s dumb idea and responds to it (ably). These are the shaky-ass foundations on which narratives are built. It’s tough to counter them.
rikyrah
Which is absolute bullshyt. The MSM doesn’t report on all that the VP has been doing. They don’t cover her foreign trips.
Changing the rules when a Black woman gets into an office.
Nobody knew anything about what Pence did, except for gaze at Dolt45, and be the lackey/flunky for the COVID response.
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
I don’t buy that Kamala Harris is underperforming as VP. I see no sign of it. She has never been a makeweight in this administration. She has never dropped the ball. She has never carelessly undermined Joe Biden. If she ever did any of these things, the media that has largely ignored her so far would be all over it. They’re resentful that she hasn’t given them that opening.
Princess
Good article about transphobia at the FTFNYT. It doesn’t quite come out and *say* Ryan is at the centre of it but it strongly suggests it.
https://xtramagazine.com/power/what-went-wrong-at-the-new-york-times-246409
WereBear
@Baud: I am pleased Dominion wants not just blood, but vital organs.
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
1000x. The silence speaks volumes.
Sanjeevs
@Baud: Remember Hilary being told about a likely debate question in 2016?
Hugest scandal ever.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: “The vice presidency is worth no more than a warm bucket of piss.” or something like that.
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
I googled and apparently Craig was one of the people caught up in the Durham probe and acquitted. So props to him on that.
But this idea is dumdum, and I see nothing in his legal career that tells me why his opinion on the Democratic party process is entitled to any weight.
OzarkHillbilly
@Cliosfanboy: That was what first came to mind but a damp rag can at least be used to cool down a fevered head. What good is a wet towel?
Baud
@Sanjeevs:
Every Hillary “scandal” was manufactured outrage. People who fell for it should feel shame.
BruceFromOhio
‘Botfly’ is far too kind.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Well, “let’s squander the incumbency advantage, splinter our coalition and tell voters we’re not confident POTUS will make it through a second term” is undeniably a take…
Dorothy A. Winsor
I think columnists get desperate for something to say under the pressure of churning out a regular column. I can’t even manage a twice a month blog
Amir Khalid
@OzarkHillbilly:
In fairness, Mike Pence didn’t underperform against TFG’s expectations. All TFG ever expected him to be was an adoring puppy.
Kay
Regen Stahl – who works for Sherrod Brown’s (upcoming) senate campaign – met with our county Dem group last night. She comes to us from Michigan, where she worked on Governor Whitmer’s (Big Gretch) campaign. Regen is from Branch County MI which is a rural-ish, red county so she’ll be just fine in rural Ohio.
They think it will be a difficult race so are starting early and will build out team later, but Regen will remain a team lead.
Tony Jay
Other than bunsen burning the hang-lows of any so-called journalist who insists on pushing that narrative through a thicket of inconvenient facts, how does one go about making you people in the Press let go of a narrative? Kidnap your kids? Ban you from your favourite cocktail bars? What would work?
And while you’re at it, define ‘historic role’, because to these ears it sounds a lot like you’re the ones shoving her into a box marked Obama With Ovaries and complaining she’s not making you feel the feels of 2008.
And that went ever so well, didn’t it? Witness my works, ye mighty, and buy Halliburton shares. Self-reflection on the role of journalists in shitting the national bed? No? Maybe later.
And you people not only sneered at him for it, you went all in with the musky manliness of climate-change controversy until half the world’s nicest real-estate went on fire. Got time for that ‘look back in regret’ session now, huh? Still no?
That’s not how you spell Talivangelical Armageddon-fluffers, you daft person. Trump didn’t need any help with ‘conservatives’ as long as he brought them the proud racist ignorance and sleezy sex-pestery they craved in a leader. Pence was never anything more than a grey-white tabernacle the Godbotherers could use to obscure his boss’ horrendous litany of secular sins from view simply by standing there exuding all the vigour and enthusiasm of a music critic with tickets for a James O’Keefe one-man show.
Like, literally two paragraphs after the person you’re interviewing already answered this question? Go home, you’re drunk.
Steeplejack
@OzarkHillbilly:
But, but—according to Palmeri, Pence was “Trump’s conservative alter-ego, the adult in the room.” As if. 🙄
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
He underperformed by stopping short of sedition.
Steeplejack
@WereBear:
Be careful—don’t strain yourself!
Anne Laurie
Murphy the Trickster God forfend anyone should get the idea that I agreed with Palmeri, but she has a professional parasite’s skill in obsessively probing for weak spots. We need to know what ‘many people are saying‘ if we’re to counteract Tha Narrative before it can set like cement.
OzarkHillbilly
@Amir Khalid: You have a point.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Have the Republicans settled on a walking horror show to oppose Brown yet? How about Josh Mandel again?
WaterGirl
@WereBear: Won’t it be hard to decide between race and gender?
OzarkHillbilly
@Steeplejack: There was never an adult in any room trump was in. I know this because nobody ever put trump in time out.
hueyplong
It’s impossible to dump on Biden at the moment and Pelosi isn’t the Speaker anymore. Nothing is happening in the Senate so they can’t complain about how Schumer can’t corral 60 votes for whatever.
They literally have to write something negative about some Dem every day. What to do?
OMG, look over there, a non-white female is the vice president. We can use our Obama AND Hillary Clinton material.
They’ll be listening closely for anything they can call an uppity cackle.
Princess
@Dorothy A. Winsor: and they’re too lazy to do actual reporting — report on what she’s saying/doing, figure out the issues on both sides (not the politics, the issues), write a critical but fair appraisal. Much easier to sit at their desks and bloviate.
NotMax
@Dorothy A. Winsor
“Objective journalism and an opinion column are about as similar as the Bible and Playboy magazine.”
– Walter Cronkite
.
jonas
@Baud: I’m old enough to remember when a CNN pundit (forget which one) supposedly gave Hillary some debate prep, it was the worst crime in the history of the universe. I’m sure there won’t be any double standards in this case, tho.
lowtechcyclist
@OzarkHillbilly:
You clearly have never read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
WereBear
@WaterGirl: I do think that’s a clue.🤣
Sanjeevs
@jonas: Donna Brazile.
CNN fired her for it.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
I wish! I love him. As an opponent. But no- so far it’s Matt Dolan who is a state senator but there will be others. Republicans think it’s a pickup. Dolan ran in their last primary and lost to Vance. We talked about how Marcy Kaptur runs successful campaigns in northern Ohio but Sherrod is a very good politician so he’ll have a plan of his own.
We have a Florida Democrat now! He moved up here to retire because his wife is from around here and SHE spent 30 years in Florida, where he’s from. Her elderly parents are here and she wanted to spend time with them before they die. He joined and immediately got very active. He’s great- funny. He introduced me last night to Regen as “the Luca Brasi of the local Democrats” – guffaw. Regen is around 25 – I don’t think she got the joke.
WaterGirl
@jonas: As I recall, they gave her general topics, not questions. Like she couldn’t have figured out that they would ask about her vote on Iraq, or abortion, or whatever
And for all we know, CNN gave that general subject matter areas to both candidates.
The only standard is the double standard.
OzarkHillbilly
You just keep on digging Rupert.
rikyrah
@Betty Cracker:
How many offices does he get to run for?
OzarkHillbilly
@lowtechcyclist: Parts of it and that was a long long time ago.
lowtechcyclist
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
When they’ve written columns addressing the actual substance of all the current issues – well, if after they’ve done that, they draw a blank on column topics, I’ll have some sympathy. But I’m pretty certain that no FTFNYT or WaPo columnist in this century so far has gotten to that point.
WaterGirl
@Kay: I didn’t get it, either, but then I never saw The Godfather.
NotMax
@OzarkHillbilly
CREAM personified.
Baud
The one thing I’ll give the columnists is that there seems to be a market for blather more than substance. I just wish there were a better market for pro-Dem blather.
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
Matt Dolan is a billionaire – family money:
Baud
@Kay: A real working class hero.
ETA: The Comcast candidate.
Gin & Tonic
@lowtechcyclist: Anthony Lewis used to write about actual issues.
ETA: Sorry, you said this century.
NotMax
@Baud
Blather, wince, repeat.
//
OzarkHillbilly
He says while commenting on a liberal top 10,000 blog. ;-)
Kay
@WaterGirl:
Our new Florida member was part of The Giant Fight with the Steelworkers Local that I started. He was amused by the whole thing -apparently they don’t have giant fights among the local Democrats/unions in suburban Miami. Anyway. It’s all patched up and we’re all friends again.
Kay
@Baud:
Sherrod’s father is a physician and in one of Sherrod’s races this person came forward and said Sherrod’s father had removed AN ARROW from his body on an emergency basis when the person was a kid. Child struck by errant arrow, Sherrod’s father runs to rescue.
What a testimonial, right? Better than a cable mogul, I would think.
Shalimar
@Amir Khalid: Pence was an adoring puppy for thousands of hours over 4 years and Trump didn’t give a damn. All Trump wanted was that 1 minute overturning the election on January 6th and Pence fucked it up.
tobie
I had a crazy day yesterday. I was walking to work and an elderly woman came up to me in a state of panic but couldn’t speak a word of English. I recognized she was speaking Farsi but don’t know the language at all. I call every Persian restaurant I can think of. No answer…it’s Monday. After an hour and with the woman now crying hysterically and holding on to my arm as if it’s a life raft in a flood I get a Persian caterer on the phone.
Long story short: it turns out the woman got separated from her son at a hospital, went for a walk, lost her way and landed in my neck of the woods.
We go to the hospital, get a hospital translator and thanks to that good woman and the Baltimore Police we locate her son. After 3 hours they were reunited. Mother melted in her son’s arms.
3 cheers for translators!
Betty Cracker
@tobie: Three cheers to YOU too for helping that poor woman. A lot of people would have brushed her off and went on their way. Glad there was a happy ending.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
The Press Corpse is firmly in the GQP camp. It doesn’t matter WHY they are, it only matters THAT they are. This means that in the next election we will have to align against:
Same as it ever was.
Betty Cracker
@Kay: Luca Brasi, LOL! Well, at least the FL Dem knows what futility is like, which will have prepped him for OH politics! ;-)
Amir Khalid
@tobie:
The old lady was lucky that you were there and made the effort to help.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@tobie: Well done!!
Baud
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️:
Yes, the only difference is that more people realize it now, IMHO.
Baud
@tobie:
👍
WaterGirl
@Kay: For a second, I thought you had started the union. Then I realized you had started the fight! Either way, it works!
Kay
@Betty Cracker:
He writes letters to the editor of the local paper and his wife’s family is a big, local farm family – they would not generally write letters to the editor because it’s too “showy” and not stoic and German enough – so he’s shaking things up a little himself, I imagine.
WaterGirl
@tobie: Three cheers for tobie, also! Yours must have been the friendly face in the crowd.
tobie
@Betty Cracker: sweet of you to say that! Never did I feel so ill-equipped verbally to help someone.
Given all the talk of AI replacing people, I’ll add that Google Translate was no help. The woman didn’t understand you had to speak into the phone and explaining that via Google translate would have taken quite a bit of time with no guarantee of success.
Nelle
@Princess: Thank you for linking this; I would never have seen it otherwise.
WaterGirl
@tobie: My second thought is that somewhere, some other good person did that on the way to a job that they desperately needed, and they got fired for being late because their boss either wouldn’t let them explain or didn’t give a shit.
John Edwards was right about one thing. There are two Americas.
Matt McIrvin
For the past couple of years Harris had a lot of her time taken up with tie-breaking votes in the Senate. There was some hope that that workload would lessen with the new Congress but I don’t know if it has.
Ken
@OzarkHillbilly: I wonder if Murdoch is planning some CYA underbussing of on-air personalities. “See, wasn’t the corporation, it was these few people who have all now been fired.”
Steeplejack
@Kay:
“The Luca Brasi of the local Democrats.” Perfect! 😹
tobie
@WaterGirl: This is so true. I choose my hours at work. Most don’t have that luxury and would face dire consequences if they punched in late. The gospel of efficiency has no room for community. Did business school make this the model or has it always been there?
Kay
@WaterGirl:
They have a new leader at their local who is a Trumpster wingnut and he and I got into it over using their meeting hall. I knew I had the support of the quieter (and larger) local Steelworkers group because they told me I did. I was pissed. We have done so much for them, including helping to fund the Labor Council wihich is a group that includes all the local unions. I told them we would never help them again. I wanted to say “you’re dead to us” but even I have limits on how embarrassingly dramatic I will be :)
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl: IIRC, the debate was taking place in Flint, MI, and Donna Brazile alerted HRC that there would possibly* be questions about Flint’s water quality.
* /s/s/s
WaterGirl
@tobie: I think there was a time when it was different.
My best friend’s father got polio (a million years ago). He worked for Kimberly Clark (paper company) and he could no longer do his job. He was in a wheelchair, with very weak arms, even with braces.
What did Kimberly Clark do? They sent him to school so he could learn Russian so he could keep up with the research coming out of Russia, so they could stay on top of the competition. He continued to work for them for his entire adult life.
I have trouble imaging that happening anywhere today.
BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️
@Baud: Agreed.
I can promise you that receipts will be kept.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: I think it was ‘warm bucket of spit’. About the same, I guess.
WaterGirl
@Kay: He doesn’t sound too bright. How do these people get elected? You vote in a Trumpist who probably doesn’t even think unions should exist?
Baud
@Kay: So you were cancelled? How ironic.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: That’s a shocker!
OzarkHillbilly
@tobie: Well done good sir/madame.
rikyrah
@tobie:
Awe…that is a good story
Matt McIrvin
@rikyrah: The great thing about meta-reporting on “the narrative” is that you don’t have to do anything to investigate whether the narrative is based on truth–the narrative itself is the story; all it takes is to consume other media pushing the narrative.
Sometimes I think that this hall-of-mirrors effect is the worst thing about modern political media. It’d be better if it were more critical reflection, like the work of an ombudsman or public editor, but it’s not.
rikyrah
If you want some entertainment, go over to TikTok and put in
Hogwarts as an HBCU into the search engine, and just enjoy the videos.
They are hilarious!
Black people….never change…
Splitting Image
@NotMax:
This is true. There is hardly any sex or violence in Playboy.
OzarkHillbilly
@tobie: It’s always been there for the lowly hourly workers.
rikyrah
UH HUH
UH HUH
Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) tweeted at 3:28 PM on Mon, Feb 27, 2023:
Rupert Murdoch gave Trump son-in-law/aide Jared Kushner access to “Fox confidential information about Biden’s ads,” apparently showing them to him before they were public. https://t.co/NqOsIw1yJe
(https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1630319070393270280?t=OrZtJVozGaa-38JSPKUArQ&s=03)
OzarkHillbilly
@Paul in KY: I think you are correct.
narya
@tobie: Lovely it worked out, and good on you for helping!
As a note, all community health centers have to provide translation services, as do most hospitals
ETA: By which I mean, that could possibly be a first call, especially if you’re not sure what language someone is speaking. Also, in answer to your other question, business school/management is all ABOUT efficiency.
Kay
@WaterGirl:
They did vote him in- well, they didn’t show up and vote so voted him in that way- but there was a “peace” group who told me to just wait him out- that he was already unpopular and would be gone next cycle. But I took it personally. I love the local Democrats. I have known these people forever and I don’t want them treated poorly by this swaggering. loudmouth douchebag.
Union politics are complicated. The only stat I have ever seen came from the Obama 2012 campaign where they told us the unions in NW OH were 55/45 D. I attributed that 45 R showing to the fact that we have a lot of UAW and they are more R, in my experience.
The most liberal and Democratic union locally are the Teamsters followed closely by the skilled trades unions. Teamsters are transportation- UPS are Teamsters – but locally they have two (large) food production plants so are the largest local union.
rikyrah
I REMEMBER
Ragnarok Lobster (@eclecticbrotha) tweeted at 7:53 PM on Mon, Feb 27, 2023:
Remember when President Obama said FOX was not a legitimate news channel, Jake Tapper lost his mind and most major news outlets circled the wagons to defend FOX? Good times.
(https://twitter.com/eclecticbrotha/status/1630385660656857089?t=Xd03hA5HbWI0v53OKkkIYw&s=03)
rikyrah
Queens R. Made (@QueenRMade1) tweeted at 8:32 PM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:![]()
to associate May 6th w/Charles’ coronation instead of Archie’s existence.
Charles likely chose May 6th for 2 reasons:
1) To force Harry to choose his father over his son, Archie &
2) For the
It’s about symbolic annihilation of Meghan & her children & control over Harry.
Queens R. Made (@QueenRMade1) tweeted at 9:40 PM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:![]()
as such ea. yr, thus diminishing the symbolism of Archie’s birth in the BRF.
Charles knew what he was doing when he & Camilla chose Archie’s birthday for their coronation. If they are successful in getting Harry to participate in an all day coronation at the expense of missing his 1st child’s 4th bday, they kill 2 birds w/1 stone: 1) they still have a
Queens R. Made (@QueenRMade1) tweeted at 9:47 PM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:
level of control over Harry & can make him choose them over his nuclear family, & 2) that date will be symbolically associated in the history books as Charles & Camilla’s crowning glory & celebrated by
Queens R. Made (@QueenRMade1) tweeted at 9:25 PM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:
My mom describes “Symbolic annihilation” as a very subtle form of violence utilized to erase or disregard the legitimacy of another person’s identity. It utilizes tools of alleged social norms to negatively portray someone as not fitting into said norms. Ex: breaking “protocols.”
Queens R. Made (@QueenRMade1) tweeted at 9:37 PM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:
The attempt to symbolically annihilate Meghan & her kids has not ceased & it will not stop. Camilla & Charles have had great successes trying to do same to Diana. Even now, some who cried when Diana died, praise Camilla while faulting Diana. Even William calls Diana paranoid.
Amir Khalid
@Paul in KY:
As I recall, it was said by one of FDR’s VPs, and in quoting him the media bowdlerised the warm substance from piss to spit.
Steeplejack
@OzarkHillbilly:
Almost top 10,000 blog.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: John Nance Garner.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: Pedanticism is a Balloon Juice hallmark :-)
Geminid
President Biden will fly to Virginia Beach later today and speak about health care. He is scheduled to land at Oceana Naval Air Station at 1:45 pm.
An AP article says the speech is part of the broader fight over the debt ceiling in general and protecting Medicaid funding in particular. The Biden administration will release its own budget next week, and is pressing Kraven McCarthy to release his Republican plan.
The article also noted that Virginia Beach is the center of VIrginia’s 2nd Congressional District. That looks to be Virginia’s only swing district for the rest of this decade, and freshman Republican Rep. Jen Kiggans’ seat will be a top target for Democrats in 2024.
OzarkHillbilly
Can you say chutzpah?
So in other words, her lawyer is scamming the scammer. (I assume s/he gets paid first from any $ McBride might be awarded, maybe I am wrong about that)
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: Why thank you, Amir. I can see VP Garner saying ‘piss’.
OzarkHillbilly
@Paul in KY: That’s alright, I don’t mind having my mistakes pointed out to me. If I did, I never would have gotten married. ;-) ;-) ;-)
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: To be fair, all of your mistakes pale in comparison to the one your wife made. ;-)
Amir Khalid
@Paul in KY:
Pedantry.
gvg
@tobie: Bosses always made the rules, and a lot of them from the beginning wanted employees or slaves or serfs to be there no matter what. Nothing to do with business schools, it’s petty tyrant who will never be that important making it seem like he is, or something. I am not a psychologist.
catclub
Me, too.
Kay
@WaterGirl:
Food production in the upper midwest is heavily unionized – processed food, so everything that comes in a can or box. It’s half women and has a large Latino group. National pundits don’t understand unions. They have this archaic “white male lunchbox” model that has nothing to do with how complex it is.
For example- the carpenters local headquartered in Toledo is quite Latino, which I don’t think people would expect because OH does not have a large Latino pop as a percentage of people. It was 99% white 20 years ago and now I bet it’s 30% Latino. It’s a fluid situation, but the way media ignores union WOMEN is just a crime. The people producing canned food and candy are Teamsters but half of them they are women. Our ridgidly traditional and stodgy media still treat this whole issue like it’s 1971.
Eyeroller
@Amir Khalid:
John Nance Gardner, from Texas. Yes, the original was “piss,” but it would be more accurate to say the press “sanitized” it, since they were not allowed to print naughty words back then.
Kay
@WaterGirl:
It can get deliciously complicated- the sort of thing I love. During Fight for Fifteen one of our local D’s wanted to boycott our Wendys but then the Teamster ladies told all the food that GOES INTO Wendys is union-made (so hamburger buns etc.)
We have to get out our yarn and pushpins to keep it straight.
tobie
@rikyrah: i remember too! Ruth Marcus said Obama threw a “hissy fit.” I never forgave her for that.
Eyeroller
@Eyeroller: Lost my edit window…yes, it’s “Garner.” There is a very nice state park named for him in….Uvalde County.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: That is exactly what all of my friends said on the big day and remind her of every chance they get.
OzarkHillbilly
Is that like a pantry for the storing of pedants?
Another Scott
Kamala needs a version of that old Obama gif of him brushing off his shoulders.
Eyes on the prizes.
Cheers,
Scott.
OzarkHillbilly
So most carpenters.
I exaggerate but only a little.
Kay
The Michigan Republican Party has a “cancel culture hall of fame” and half of them are the idiot ninnies who are supposedly “liberal” and signed on to the cancel culture panic.
Good work! Your names and likenesses are now central to the Michigan GOP message!
Also- “math” has been cancelled by the Oberlin Student Council, according to the warriors against woke. They’re embarrassing. I can’t fucking believe these people successfully passed themselves off as “public intellectuals”. They’re in there with Piers Morgan.
Paul in KY
@OzarkHillbilly: That is a feature of marriage!
rikyrah
I love receipts.![]()
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And never forget, opened his campaign in PHILADELPHIA, MISSISSIPPI
Maurice W (@iamMauriceW) tweeted at 11:33 AM on Sun, Feb 26, 2023:
Reagan, the GOP hero, opposed 1964’s Civil Rights Act and 1965’s Voting Rights Acts, openly defended housing segregation by arguing that property owners had the right to “discriminate against Negroes,” and opposed the creation of Martin Luther King Day. https://t.co/zgtoz37I5c
(https://twitter.com/iamMauriceW/status/1629897459395710982?t=zNrQWw5zgC_SWsuzuRxNIQ&s=03)
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: I was creating a new English word, I’ll have you know!
Kay
@OzarkHillbilly:
No, it’s true. I tell my middle son to get involved in IBEW leadership because he’s young and open minded and he tells me “or I could just beat the shit out of them when they’re obnoxious”.
NOT SURE if he’s joking :)
Betty Cracker
@OzarkHillbilly: What the heck? IIRC, McBride didn’t find the dogs at random like she claimed. She was the girlfriend of one of the robber’s relatives and lied about running across the dogs at random, so she was a party to the crime. She should be grateful she didn’t receive jail time and STFU. Good lord, the chutzpah! Also, I don’t understand the lawyer’s angle at all.
WaterGirl
@Kay: You are right that unions are complicated. How long is the term for this awful person?
kalakal
@Paul in KY: Good for you.
We need to close the vocabulary gap!
glory b
@WaterGirl: The question was that they would ask about clean water and infrastructure at an event in Flint Michigan.
Like Hillary couldn’t have figured that out.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: A good friend of mine is a tinner and has been working on getting elected to Secretary of her local. I’m not sure how she is going to wrangle those cats but I have seen her in a number of leadership roles and expect her to not just be good, but very good at it.
GrannyMC
Kamala hate and Joe Is Too Old are 110% about “We don’t want a black female president.”
Fake Irishman
@Kay:
Fun coincidence for the group:
Sherrod’s father was Charles Brown.
He is married to a Schultz.
No word on what his favorite comic is…
(The Schultz is Pulitzer prize winning journalist Connie who also wrote a solid and hilarious campaign autobiography about her experience in her husband’s 2006 run)
Steeplejack
@OzarkHillbilly:
More like a monastery.
glory b
@rikyrah: Yes. In the mini docuseries about Reagan, Jonathan Alter said every adult in Reagan’s crowd that day would have been alive when Goodman, Schwerner and Chaney were murdered, they would have known exactly what he meant by states’ rights! His horrific pandering went unnoticed by the mainstream media at the time. Why would a CA governor have felt the need to announce in Philadelphia MS?
SiubhanDuinne
@rikyrah:
I had noticed that coronation date coincided with Archie’s fourth birthday, but hadn’t considered the “symbolic annihilation” aspect. I do think there’s a difference between deliberately selecting a date calculated to cause the most consternation for H&M, or simply hitting on May 6 as an appropriate time and then noticing h “Whoops! Archie’s birthday. Well, Harry will just have to deal.” And I suppose the Palace could even argue that selecting that date is actually a beautiful tribute to Archie, although that would be one hell of a stretch! Anyhow, thanks for this fresh (to me) perspective.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
The other thing I thought is that an event like this (royal coronation) is so huge and complex that they might not be able to just pick a random date on the calendar. There might be logistical or other considerations that limit which dates work.
Which is not to say that Charles and Camilla aren’t venal, calculating twits.
Kristine
@tobie: Three cheers for you for not brushing her off/thinking she was demented/etc.
Fake Irishman
@Kay:
I’ve had a lot of experience with union politics in SE Michigan, so I totally understand your statement that “it’s complicated” Somehow our lefty graduate instructor union and the local building trades managed to make things work and help each other out in really concrete ways over the years despite big differences in world views.
mvr
@Tony Jay: Yes to all this.
That interviewer really got under my skin. Just determined to push a narrative by just repeating it and adding random supporting points, many of them contrary to the facts and some of them undercutting the very narrative they were cited to further.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
Also, I started reading Whose Body? yesterday, prompted by Sunday’s “Medium Cool” discussion. I’m liking it fairly well, although so far (four chapters in) Lord Peter is coming across as even more of a fop than Ian Carmichael’s portrayal, what with droppin’ every g in sight, etc. And there was a long, slightly discomfitting comment by his mother in Chapter III about Sir Reuben Levy’s marriage and Jews in general. Supposed to be part of the sophisticated humor, I think, but it hasn’t aged well.
(Note to all: Give me no spoilers.)
mvr
@tobie: 3 cheers for tobie.
Your resourcefulness at figuring out the problem is admirable.
schrodingers_cat
@rikyrah: Most of the horrible economic stuff that we decry today like unaffordable college tuition, deregulating capital markets and other economic entities to benefit investors and not consumers also started with Reagan.
But he is beloved by our MSM and many white people. I think its mainly because he threw them racist red meat like your example above.
Geminid
Some neat Navy news: the Navy will change the name the guided missile cruiser Chancellorville to the Robert Smalls, honoring the savvy ship’s pilot who played a key role in Union Navy operations in and around Charleston Harbor.
schrodingers_cat
The Royals are racist and have always been racist. Even the dead Queen. She was the figure head of a vile evil Empire for decades. The British along with their brethren on this side of the Atlantic practically invented racism to justify their ill-gotten Empire and slavery respectively. It had the benefit of keeping the have-nots back home in their proper place too.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
I’ll save the “spoilers,” such as they are, for the next Medium Cool in two weeks (generally on the lingering and often devastating effects of the Great War, even years after the Armistice).
Glad you decided to read Whose Body? For all its flaws as a first novel, it’s a good introduction to Lord Peter and his milieu.
Betty Cracker
@Geminid: That’s fantastic! Ever since reading about Smalls’ derring do a few years back, I’ve thought everything currently named after Robert E. Lee should be named after Robert Smalls instead. The latter had the courage, skills and honor often falsely attributed to the former.
J R in WV
@OzarkHillbilly:
My Wife was Sec-Treasurer pof her national local for many years, several terms. Was an active organizer and participated in contract negotiations many times. Got a personal phone call from a Reagan appointee at the Dept of Labor, to threaten her early in Reagan’s first term.
Was proud, still is, of that phone call, if she had recorded it
wouldmay have been the end of the caller’s career. Or they may have gotten an award from the President, who was a bucket of warm feces.Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I’m hard-coded to read series in order. And I am keeping in mind that this is a first novel and there may be some rough edges that will get sanded down later.
Your mention of the next installment is reminding me of Paul Fussell’s The Great War and Modern Memory, which I read decades ago and might want to revisit. Also maybe Vera Brittain’s Testament of Youth.
Geminid
@Betty Cracker: Robert Smalls has been getting a lot of attention lately. His story would make for an exciting movie, and I won’t be surprised if one is made before too long. Maybe Will Smith will produce it and play the title role.
cain
@Kay: You’d think the UAW would be more Dem considering how much the Dem party have worked to save their jobs – more than once.
Geminid
@cain: I wonder what that number regarding UAW voting was in 2020, and what it will be in 2024. Ohio looks out of reach for Biden, but the Senate race will be close and union support for Sherrod Brown may make a difference.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
Me too.
I expect you know that Vera Britain and DLS were contemporaries (both born in 1893) and were at Somerville (Oxford) together.
Have not read Fussell, though I know his name. Will remedy that omission instanter :-)
ETA: Just ordered and downloaded Fussell to Kindle app. $9.99.
Baud
@Geminid:
He’s an example of someone who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more.
Kay
@cain:
You would. But the economy is good ( I know I’m not supposed t say that but the economy is good) and they are doing well. They got 8 to 15k year end bonuses in 2022. I myself would “dance with the gal who brung me” but white men apparently don’t agree with that kind of solidarity.
They forget that they were on the ropes 10 years ago. Now that they’re flush they can indulge in hating immigrants and women and trans people.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
LOL. I was too lazy to look up the exact phrasing. Another missed opportunity.
kalakal
@SiubhanDuinne:
@Steeplejack:
Graves’ Goodbye to All that is another good one
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I didn’t know that Brittain and Sayers were at college together. Thanks.
Sometimes we (or I) forget that the population of Britain was much smaller then and the population of the ruling class, intellectual class, literary world—whatever you want to call that amalgamation—was much smaller still. And it was all largely concentrated around London, Cambridge and Oxford. So of course people knew people.
Steeplejack
@kalakal:
Yes!
Dorothy A. Winsor
Wait. The coronation date is May 6? My new book comes out that day. Something tells me people’s attention will be elsewhere.
Paul in KY
@kalakal: Thanks. I thought you’d comprestand.
Steeplejack
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
How did you get on Charles and Camilla’s bad side?!
Paul in KY
@schrodingers_cat: Ronald Reagan was a complete POS. That said, he was 50 times better than Cheetolini.
Soprano2
@Kay: The press hasn’t updated their idea of what unions are since Reagan’s presidency. They still think of all those factories with white men as what “union” means.
Paul in KY
@Geminid: Wow! That is so cool. I hope Mr. Smalls has some descendants who can revel in this. Way too late, IMO.
Paul in KY
@Betty Cracker: That is a great idea!!!
delphinium
@Kay: Good news-glad Sherrod Brown’s team has recognized it may be a difficult race and are working on strategies now.
Soprano2
@schrodingers_cat: There are other factors. Many people saw Jimmy Carter as an extremely weak and feckless president who couldn’t get the Iranian hostages back; they think once “strong” Reagan was elected the Iranians got scared and gave them back. We know that’s not what happened, but a lot of people thought that. The economy here was incredibly bad when Reagan was elected – unemployment over 10%, interest rates were 15-20% or even higher. I graduated into that, which has affected my whole career. By 1984 the economy was much better, and lots of people gave Reagan credit for that. I agree that some his popularity was racism, but it’s a lot more complicated than that.
SiubhanDuinne
@kalakal:
Yes! As is his The Long Week-End about the interwar period.
schrodingers_cat
@Paul in KY: Even W the complete fuck-up was better than the Orange Error.
schrodingers_cat
@Soprano2: I agree with what you say. However, even for those whose main attraction of Reagan was not racism, they overlook his abundant racist dog whistles and policies
Even I have heard of the welfare queen trope and I was a child during Reagan years.
Geminid
@Steeplejack: Siegfried Sassoon was part of that amalgamation. He was one of the “War Poets,” an infantry officer who made news in 1917 with a public protest letter calling for a negotiated settlement to the European war. That earned Sassoon a stay at the Craiglockhart Army Hospital, where he befriended fellow poet Wilfrid Owen.
After the war Sassoon became a Labour Party supporter and took great pleasure in seeing some of his many Tory acquaintances go down in the election of 1922(?). Later that decade he published a novel, Memoirs of a Fox-Hunting Man (1928), that described the privileged pre-War life of an English gentleman. Sassoon followed that up with Memoirs of an Infantry Officer (1930) and Sherston’s Progress (1936). The novels are known as the Sherston Trilogy.
Sassoon wrote an actual autobigraphy later in life, in three volumes ending with Siegfried’s Journey.
Sassoon was an early friend and patron of composer William Walton. He was also a great admirer of the Welsh poet Henry Vaughan. Sassoon’s poem “At the Grave of Henry Vaughan” is one of his best known peacetime poems.
@SiubhanDuinne:
Geminid
@Paul in KY: Hopefully some descendents of Robert Smalls will witness the ship’s formal renaming. Right now the Chancellorville is deployed to Yokosuke, Japan as part of Carrier Strike Force Five. The Navy values ceremony, so maybe they will find a way to bring the cruiser back to San Diego and stage a proper rechristening.
evodevo
@rikyrah: Hey! He stared REAL HARD across the DMZ in NK when he was there…intimidated the hell out of Kim, I remember…
Steeplejack
@Geminid:
Sassoon figures bigly in Fussell’s book.
Sister Machine Gun of Quiet Harmony
@Baud: I’d totally tie him to the stereotypical ‘cable guy’, who is totally insensitive to your needs and overcharges you.
Ruckus
@WereBear:
The vital organ that Dominion wants is a rather large bank account. That and the keys to the rethuglican party so they can drive it off a cliff.
Paul in KY
@Geminid: Hope so too!