But all I can focus on right now is Casey Desantis’s eyebrows. I know it is 2023 and we are not supposed to talk about physical appearances but this shit is weirding me the fuck out:
Her eyebrows look like they are about to launch a surprise attack on her face. And when she is standing next to her husband in his lifts and ill tailored suits, they look like a total freak show.
zhena gogolia
I have somehow managed to avoid seeing her close up. Shades of Joan Crawford in Mildred Pierce. She probably has a similar relationship with her daughter.
kindness
You are right John, we aren’t supposed to be talking about people’s looks.
Having said that I’d bet she’d have a unibrow if she didn’t own tweezers.
zhena gogolia
God, in that last one she looks like him!
Michael Bersin
It’s not how they look, it’s the evil that they do.
That’s what keeps me up at night.
zhena gogolia
I do wonder if she lost her brows via chemo, and these are painted on?
zhena gogolia
@Michael Bersin: That’s why I’m kind of vague on what they look like.
Alison Rose
It looks like she does them herself, which doesn’t surprise me because a lot of makeup artists are queer and obviously none of them are gonna lay a finger on her. The first pic isn’t bad but she seems to have a tendency to go a bit HAM with the filling-in part.
lige
@zhena gogolia: I’ve been thinking that every time I see the two of them together – they’re like brother and sister!
zhena gogolia
@lige: Yeah. I thought she was supposed to be the pretty one.
Jeffro
Cole, I think this may be at least part of what trollhtttan was warning me about in the thread below, LOL.
Given that the GOP ‘base’ is already used to looking at a 77-year-old man with a tremendous combover , glowing orange makeup, and an extra 100 pounds and seeing “supernaturally awesome presidential material”, those eyebrows are probably catnip to them.
I mean, compared to HorrorShow Guillifoyle, Casey DeSantis almost looks human.
raven
Fried, dyed and laid to the side!
jsled
1/ Any drag queen would give her good tips on how to properly paint eyebrows.
B/ *something something* performance of gender *cough cough* Destantis florida *ahem
Elizabelle
Now I understand the Eddie Munster references.
dmsilev
@Jeffro: What, are you saying those Trump/Rambo composites are fake? I’m shocked.
Shalimar
@zhena gogolia: They look painted on to me, but by a 7 year old coloring within the lines.
SiubhanDuinne
If I recall correctly, the inner edge of the brow should align vertically with the inner corner of the eye. Especially in the second picture, she’s come in a good 1/4”-3/8” too far on each brow. Also, she used some greasy kind of pencil, and of course she drew them on much too thick. Probably used one of those eyebrow stencil things, which have never looked remotely natural.
In the third picture, WTF is going on with her mouth? Her teeth and lips look like they belong to two separate faces.
Chris
“I don’t like it.”
“What?”
“Your face.”
“Well I don’t like it either. It’s all right up to the eyebrows. Then it just goes haywire. Look at the eyebrows! Those are attack eyebrows! You could take bottle caps off with these!”
“They are mighty eyebrows indeed, sir.”
“They’re cross! They’re crosser than the rest of my face! They’re independently cross! They probably want to secede from the rest of my face and set up their own independent state of eyebrows!”
Betty Cracker
[Screams, slams laptop lid shut, runs to kitchen to make a margarita.]
emmyelle
@kindness: My 20 year old daughter has a unibrow and she is very insecure about it. She has been since she was about 16. She keeps her eyebrows impeccably neat, but the insecurity worries me. Not having a unibrow myself, I can only imagine how awful she feels, like always anticipating that people will make fun of her for this.
I love this site. I don’t appreciate this particular thread.
Delk
Hmmm… do the capes draw your eyes away from the brows or do the brows draw your eyes away from the capes?
Jeffro
@dmsilev: the one of him in the blue Speedo actually made me bust out laughing.
oh OK wingnuts, you’re ABSOLUTELY not a cult, fer sure!!! LOLOL
Sister Golden Bear
@zhena gogolia: I’m sure there are no wire hangers in the FL governor’s mansion (yeah I know, different movie).
hells littlest angel
I’m just glad to see that Divine’s make-up artist is still working.
PsiFighter37
Hope she enjoys getting back to her full-time job as Florida’s First Lady soon enough.
zhena gogolia
@emmyelle: I’m sorry. I’m sure your daughter is beautiful. My eyebrows are no prize. I’m just so disgusted by the DeSantises.
artem1s
I remember back in Art History classes how we would all laugh at the Rubenesque figures and mile high Louis IV hair and men in tights and wonder how they couldn’t see how ridiculous they looked. I’m betting the American Classic Country Club style is not going to age well and will get it’s share of pointing and laughing.
Suzanne
Her eyebrows are very on-trend.
That said, I hate the trend. Bring back 90s skinny eyebrows.
zhena gogolia
@Sister Golden Bear: Actually, that one’s more appropriate, since Mildred was more sinned against than sinning.
Baud
Now I’m wondering what people will say about how I do my pubes.
becca
Well, if you can’t say anything nice about Casey DeeS, come sit right here next to me! I have read multiple articles that say she’s the brains of the operation, so I cannot work up a bunch of sympathy for her health issues, although I do feel for her kids. I always thought she looks ready to shoot a remake of Beach Blanket Bingo as Annette Funicello. Ronnie as Frankie Avalon?
Jay
@emmyelle:
I have a unibrow. Worse yet, I have eyebrow hairs that can reach out an inch and a half, with eyelashes that don’t need any false eyelash enhancements.
And I am an old white guy with more hair in my ears than on my head.
Just try to remind your daughter that beauty standards vary.
I just keep trimming away. It’s a full time job.
Suzanne
@SiubhanDuinne: She definitely used a stencil. There is a trend of using powder shadow to fill in one’s brows, and I find it looks odd. Filling in a few with a pencil, or brow gel, looks less fake.
Tokyokie
At least when Groucho Marx painted on eyebrows, it was for comedic effect.
Jay
@Baud:
if you put some pants on, we wouldn’t have to comment,…….
Antonius
In fairness, theatrical makeup is purposely exaggerated, and she is photographed by distant cameras a lot.
Baud
@Michael Bersin:
👍
CaseyL
A little bit of Sarah Palin, a large bit of Katie (Mrs. Stephen) Miller, and a whole lotta Eva Peron.
Women who get off on being cruel, including to their “friends.”
Captain C
The last two photos in particular have some serious uncanny valley shit going on.
Boris Rasputin (the evil twin)
@zhena gogolia:
I do wonder if she lost her brows via chemo, and these are painted on?
Yes, by Groucho Marx.
West of the Rockies
I’m sure if she were a woman in my life (and not Casey), I’d think her beautiful. But knowing Ms. DeSantis’s heart and mind as we do, I find her repellant. The avarice and meanness and vanity flow from her like a busted main.
Tom Levenson
She looks to me as if she was doing that greasepaint thing to reduce glare for football players and just missed which side of the eye she was supposed to be painting.
West of the Rockies
@Baud:
Tell us you don’t sport a red, white, and blue merkin…
Tom Levenson
@Betty Cracker: Kindergarten rules! You have to make enough for everyone, dear.
MomSense
Eyebrows are either lamination or micro blading plus Botox for that hawk look.
eclare
Like Meghan McCain’s hairstylist hates her based on her awful hair on The View, Casey’s hair and makeup person must hate her.
Tony Jay
@zhena gogolia:
That’s what I thought!
The only question is which is the original and which is the clone?
Amy!
I dunno. Am I the only one who can’t help thinking that she’s cosplaying as Stormfront from The Boys? Presumably out of admiration, given each’s politics.
cope
@emmyelle: This is an article that concerns the concept of the unibrow by a former critic, now fan. Maybe your daughter might appreciate it.
https://www.salon.com/2023/07/01/the-bear-claire-unibrow-great/
FastEdD
More Groucho Marx than Andy Rooney. I am approaching Andy Rooney.
Frankensteinbeck
WHAT WAS SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN.
eclare
@Suzanne:
Yes, very thick eyebrows are in right now.
scav
I suspect too there’s a culture of people that prefer the more, well, plasticized application of beauty products. They don’t want any of the messy, fleshy, animal showing through. Aiming for a machined, standardized, non-individualized (let alone individualistic) “beauty”. (See most yearbooks.) Rather like gardeners that machine-clip everything in their yard to a spherical lump.
H.E.Wolf
I’m reminded of something I read recently: When we disparage a famous person’s appearance, that person is unlikely to hear or read our comment… but the people we *do* know, will. And they’ll know that we’re willing to be mean to people, based on their looks.
Mrs. DeSantis and her husband are ugly on the inside; and that’s what matters.
Tony Jay
@Baud:
They will say the same thing they’ve been saying all along.
“Not at the dinner table, Mister President!”
Suzanne
@scav: It’s called “Instagram face”. It’s how everyone spends a lot of money to all look the same!
Old Dan and Little Ann
At least she’s not a man like Obozo’s wife. -every nutter everywhere
rikyrah
trying to be the Dollar Tree Jackie O
scav
@Suzanne: Ooo, I think it’s pre-Instagram, although that very well may be a current hotbed with additional tools. There really are some old yearbooks that are eerie.
seaninclt
She reminds me of Joe Pesci in JFK
MomSense
@Baud:
Considering you are sans pants, you definitely want them on trend!
dr. bloor
She’s going for Anne Archer but nailed Lon Chaney instead.
raven
BREAKING: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is hit with devastating news as dozens of massive, high-profile conventions pull-out of Florida over the “unfriendly political environment” that DeSantis created by attacking Black and LGBTQ+ residents.
But it gets WAY worse for DeSantis…
Experts and Florida tourism officials are “in a panic” because they say that this will devastate the Florida economy given the fact that these conventions bring hundreds of thousands of tourists to Florida each year — and now they will be taking their business elsewhere.
Even worse, experts are warning that Floridians “will lose their jobs” over DeSantis’ fascist policies scaring away tourists and large conventions.
More than half a dozen planned large conventions in South Florida “have been scrapped in recent months,” and when asked for a reason why they were scrapping plans, one organizer wrote simply: “Governor DeSantis.”
One massive convention that recently pulled out, the 2024 National Family and Community Engagement and Community Schools Conference, canceled “over 2,000 hotel rooms” that it had booked and announced, “We decided to pull out of Florida due to concerns about what the Governor is doing in the education/schools and that he will likely run in 2024.“
The American Specialty Toy Retailing Association had planned a 3,000-person conference in Florida, but is now instead headed to Milwaukee because of the “unfriendly political environment in Florida.”
Another large convention that recently pulled out of Florida, the Supreme Council of America Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite Masons, canceled over 855 hotel rooms it had booked and announced, “We lost this program due to the political climate.”
laura
Despite the ‘strong brow’ she’s still uglier on the inside.
HeleninEire
@Baud: TMI!!!!!!!!!!!
Leto
She looks like Great Value Casey Wilson.
Me: “Can we get Casey Wilson?”
Mom: “We have Casey Wilson at home.”
Insert Casey DeSatan.
Shakti
@Alison Rose: As people here now, Gaetz learned how to contour his face from Ron DeSantis who learned how to do it from Casey.
I don’t know why she made herself up like a blow up doll. The local news anchors do not look that that and neither did Jackie O.
Suzanne
@scav: Instagram face is the current incarnation, yes. Tacky O definitely has it.
Josie
@raven:
How could they not know that this would happen? How can it be such a surprise?
sab
I have eyebrow issues finally under control in the last couple of decades.
If your early unibrow made you tweeze overenthsiastically, you need to resist drawing the damn things back again. Once they are thinned ( dont’t overdo that) you need to accept that they are thinned. That was the point, after all.
Don’t overthin. Penciled in eyebrows will never be the same as furry eyebrows.
All the teen fashion magazines of my youth were right. Only pluck from below. The top line determines the natural shape and location of your eyebrows. Do not mess with either.
I cringe when I watch classic movies and what they did to those women’s eyebrows. Brook Shields mom was right.
Ryan
And she’s the ambition of the couple.
HeleninEire
OK. I love you all but I think I may need to defend her – ish. I hate the both of them but if the reporting is true she just survived breast cancer. If she had Chemo she lost her hair (eyebrows included) to it. Thinking that she tried to get them painted back on and it was a massive FAIL.
That being said. Both of them are Fucking Fascists.
middlelee
I just checked out the eyebrows on Brooke Shields and they are thick and gorgeous. She does fill in a little with pencil (literally a black art pencil). Her eyebrows are naturally thick and gorgeous, not painted on. She never went with the skinny brows when they were in, thank dog.
sab
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes. There are fashion rules one ought to follow when messing with one’s eyebrows.
mrmoshpotato
LOL! I think it’s ok to make fun of the physical appearance of fascists. Also, assholes with casseroles!
No lie told.
jonas
Have you seen the kind of women who all pose with Trump at Mar-a-Lago? They all look like this, except maybe with more fake bronzer makeup, just like their man-idol.
Shakti
@jsled: No. I mean, they could give her tips on properly doing her eyebrows, (and wig tips) but would they?
She and her husband have decided drag queens are public enemy #1, and I think Hamburger Mary’s here has been fighting in court, so it’s more likely they’d outright refuse or engage in some makeup fuckery.
M31
@emmyelle: I had an old high school friend with a unibrow and if anyone ever made a comment about it she’d say “yeah, I used to have 2 but I shaved the top one off”
hysterically funny woman and hot as hell
bbleh
Her eyebrows look like they are about to launch a surprise attack on her face.
No John, they’re not coming for her; they’re coming for you.
AxelFoley
Who said that?
CarolPW
@HeleninEire: If you look at the last 2 photos it is pretty clear the hair on her head is attached to her scalp and not a wig (pretty clear around her widow’s peak and temples). One does not lose ones eyebrows without losing ones scalp hair. Raskin is starting to have his eyebrows back – since he is still wearing his do-rag I don’t know how his hair is doing yet.
bbleh
@Jeffro: there was WHAT?! @Betty Cracker: this
sab
@H.E.Wolf: Young girls and women are learning makeup now. If we don’t be critical, they will make the same mistakes. It’s brutal, but that is the world we live in.
suzanne
I draw a distinction between commenting on one’s body/genetic and immutable characteristics (not okay) versus presentation, including style/fashion and makeup and various modifications. Those are parts of imagecraft and should be talked about, IMO. They’re an important part of visual culture.
Her eyebrows are not chemo eyebrows. She spent a lot of money to look that cheap, y’all.
mrmoshpotato
@Betty Cracker:
Making enough for everyone? 😁
Miss Bianca
@emmyelle: eh. I have a unibrow myself. Or did. Turns out that 40 + years of relentless tweezing/waxing have had their effect. Most of my body hair seems to be getting sparser with age (except on my head, yay, and…my mustache, which seems to be getting darker and more noticeable with age.)
So, I get the insecurity about the brow(s) as a general rule, but it’s Casey DeSantis we’re talking about here, so I am pointing and laughing myself, personally.
HeleninEire
@Betty Cracker: Make me one too!!
Jay
@HeleninEire:
If you zoom in, (god forbid), the eye brow hairs are still there.
It used to be that mascara would be used to darken and highlight the eyebrows, or an eyebrow pencil lightly dragged across the hairs.
It looks like she colored hers in with a magic marker all the way down to the skin, pressing hard.
I get that it’s a trendy look for Instagram and TicToc for “influencers” using basic video tools to stream on line, but like “nightclub” makeup back in the day, it’s not a good look to my eye in daylight.
Martin
@Betty Cracker: I’m with you. See you in the next thread.
sab
@Miss Bianca: Old age does weird things to the body. I never in my life had boobs. Every ounce I gained went to my hips, and top had nothing. Now I am a D cup and I hate them.
Don’t need to shave my legs at all ( I used to be a monkey) but face hair is an issue.
HeleninEire
@Jay: NOT.ZOOMING.IN!! 😆
Mai Naem mobileI
Because I like wasting time on Cruella’s freaking eyebrows, I googled up her wedding pics(gawd knows what that’s going to do to what ads google is going to serve me now) and I don’t think they’re cancer brows. The wedding pic ones aren’t as prominent but similar. She probably overtweezed them when she was an anchor and now has to fill them in.
geg6
@zhena gogolia:
Based on my experience with my mom, sister and brother undergoing chemo, you don’t just lose your eyebrows. You lose your hair, too. And that’s definitely her hair and not a wig. My sister’s eyebrows grew back before her hair did. Can’t remember if it was the same for mom and big brother, but they definitely lost both. Plus their eyelashes.
geg6
@Suzanne:
My oldest niece is an aesthetician and she would be horrified by those brows.
Renie
My 29 year old daughter wears her eyebrows like the first picture and I try not to cringe every time I see her. But what do I know I’m 66 and from the generation that plucked our eyebrows so much I barely have any
sab
@sab: Makeup is a skill that girls/women learn to do or choose to neglect/avoid.
Not commenting is leaving them on their own to make uninformed choices.
Women every generation have all been around this. You can choose to opt out, or opt in, or be uninformed and to do it badly.,
trollhattan
We’ll hit Peak…Something when she grants an interview to
Tammy FayeKimberly Guilfoyle.I will regret having that 4K teevee, believe me.
WaterGirl
@Sister Golden Bear: That’s the movie I thought of!
sab
@Renie: Yes. She needs a choice. Do you want those eyebrows? And once you pluck them they may never come back. When you pluck you need to realize that. Possibly bye bye forever.
WaterGirl
@HeleninEire: Oh my gosh, when Baud has lost HeleninEire…
Jean
@zhena gogolia: That’s just what I thought! Mildred Pierce/Joan Crawford
sab
My eyebrows are like upside down Vs. Left to my own devices I would have plucked the top of the v away.
My face otherwise is utterly unremarkable. If I had plucked away the only interesting feature my face would now be extremely unremarkable. Boring. Dull bone structure. The only thing that lights up my face is my eyebrows, and if I had had more traditional bone structure every makeup artist in the world would have had me tweeze away the only distinctive feature on my face.
Every young girl who has issues with her face needs to think about that. Don’t pluck away what makes you different.
trollhattan
These guys need to slap on the Bell & Howell badges, what with all the projection.
schrodingers_cat
They don’t look real, they look like they are drawn with a brow pencil.
Ksmiami
@raven: FAFO you Fascist asswipes..
Sister Golden Bear
@raven:
Sucks to be them.
While I feel for the workers who will be affected (unless they voted for DeSatan), this was entirely predictable. NC and “bathroom laws” anyone. They should’ve spoken up when it would’ve made a difference.
Sister Golden Bear
@trollhattan:
More projection than an 20-theater IMAX multiplex.
Raoul Paste
Just another indicator of bad judgement. Which is the exact opposite of what you want in a public servant
mrmoshpotato
Say it with me everyone!
NOT A DRAG QUEEN!
RSA
Yes. This is beneath you, John Cole.
ETA: This is not to shame anyone, but to speak out against celebration of going low.
Mel
@SiubhanDuinne: That’s exactly what I thought, as well: ye olde stencils, and some scarily big ones, at that!
Mel
@sab: So very true!
I have a bump on the bridge of my nose that I love, because it is a mini- version of my grandfather’s aquiline beak. I loved him so dearly, and every time I look in the mirror my nose is a reminder of him and all the joy and kindness that he brought into my life when I was a child. I wouldn’t change it for anything!
Gvg
She doesn’t look that bad. I wouldn’t even notice without ya’ll pointing it out compared to all the other things wrong with people appearance including mine. What you are seeing is what you know about her character and you are projecting it onto her appearance like a cartoon over image.
Thats fine in a way. She and her husband are viciously mean. However I do think we should concentrate more on attacking him. He is the elected official and the one actually responsible. Even if she is influencing him, he chose to go along and he is the responsible party. I have noticed in the past people including liberals tend to lash out at female spouse and relatives of powerful people and blame them, in a way they don’t do to women executives. I think it’s foolish. I also think his campaign is using her to spin blame always from him, and was originally using her to sell him. She is not elected. The story keeps changing and it’s always trying to get an advantage. Ignore her. Ron DeSantis did all the things that make us mad.
JaneE
Are you sure those are pictures of human beings and not mannequins or waxworks? They don’t look like pictures of people to me, just badly done impressions in wax or plastic. Real or touched up, they look like they were released to get exactly the reaction you had.
It is fairly close to a look some girls in my high school seemed to prefer. The “tough” girls in the early 60’s.
Another possibility is that it is for a theatrical performance.
I really don’t want to pay attention to them just to check out her makeup.
scav
@raven: Especially enjoying the twist delivered in two of the named conferences pulling out involve “Family and Community Engagement and Community Schools” and Toys. So much for the self-appointed crusading leaders of fixing education for the perfected safety of children, the holy children — and the toys furthermore underline that the war on Disney is not going so well.
OzarkHillbilly
Ya know, she could actually be attractive (physically, never emotionally or mentally or intelligently) if she just stopped with all the “beauty” bullshit. No makeup, no high dollar hair salons, no eyebrow treatments, etc etc etc. As is… to me? I would run away.
ftr: my wife uses no makeup, she realized I don’t like it when we first started dating. She cuts her hair, (with help from me) and I really don’t care how it comes out. She is beautiful to me. (large nose and all)(she is very self conscious of it but I stopped noticing it about 10 mins into our first conversation)
Dan B
@Baud: Eeeww! Where’s the brain bleach?
NutmegAgain
@raven: Wowzers When you’ve lost the Scottish Rite Masons for being too right wing, you’re really on a crash course with history. I worked at their museum for a while; some of them are, of course, terrific people. Some are just as wacky as you think they are, and my sense was that nationally they pull hard right. (I was there long before The Orange Menace, or even Obama for that matter.)
Mike in NC
Looks like she used a roller in photo #2
Elizabelle
@Mel: @SiubhanDuinne:
Stencils this week. Decoupage next week.
Keep Florida Weird. But not this way!
hells littlest angel
@Gvg: Of all the comments in this thread that make me feel shame, this is the one that makes me feel it the most.
Betsy
@Antonius: That’s what I was going t o say. — this is operatic makeup, which looks ridiculous up close, but is designed to be seen from a hundred feet or a hundred yards away and in stage lighting.
I still think she’s a tasteless sociopath.
Betsy
@CarolPW: Lace-front wigs do a really, really good job of looking like there’s a natural hairline – not inconsistent wihh these photos.
Mustang Bobby
From “The School for Scandal” by Richard Brinsley Sheridan (1777):
“LADY TEAZLE. O to be sure she has herself the oddest countenance that ever was seen— ’tis a collection of Features from all the different Countries of the globe.
SIR BENJAMIN. So she has indeed — an Irish Front ——
CRABTREE. Caledonian Locks ——
SIR BENJAMIN. Dutch Nose ——
CRABTREE. Austrian Lips ——
SIR BENJAMIN. Complexion of a Spaniard ——
CRABTREE. And Teeth a la Chinoise ——
SIR BENJAMIN. In short, her Face resembles a table d’hote at Spa — where no two guests are of a nation ——
CRABTREE. Or a Congress at the close of a general War — wherein all the members even to her eyes appear to have a different interest and her Nose and Chin are the only Parties likely to join issue.”
I knew that PhD in theatre would come in handy some day.
Albatrossity
I don’t much care about KKKCasey’s looks. She is the face of evil, no matter what.
Tony G
@H.E.Wolf: That’s right. Both Ron and Casey have imperfect physical appearances (as do almost all of us) — but it’s the hatred that corrupts them inside that is really ugly.
Elizabelle
I watched the Mamas for DeSantis video.
I don’t think that one is going to play well with normies. Also, all those images, and not one of their beloved guns (at least that I could see).
A small child was crying on an airplane because of having to wear a mask. Fauci wants us to “believe science.” The horror!
Last, WRT the topic of Casey’s eyebrows: their younger daughter, Mamie, also has very strong dark eyebrows. FWIW. (That showed up in the video too.)
Perilous
The second picture looks like Rams helmets circa 1970. I go out looking like that, but I don’t have makeup artists.
Realworldrj
🤔🤔
is that Megan the doll all grown up?
HeartlandLiberal
A la Pogo, they look like giant caterpiggles!
Geminid
@Tony G: I won’t make fun of the DeSantis’s looks, but I will make fun of the dark blue, short-sleeved and branded DeSantis campaign shirt I saw him wearing: it looked like something you might see on a gas station attendant.
Johannes
@Chris: Peter Capaldi would be proud.
Ella in New Mexico
@Gvg: Yes, she looks that bad.
Eyebrow enhancement is definitely a reasonable thing for women who are in the public spotlight and need to wear full face make up.
But only a woman with some pretty terrible taste or some kind of emotional issue with her looks would block-chunk eyebrows on her face like that.
Or a gang-banger’s 13 year-old girlfriend posing for her Facebook profile photo.
StormyD
I don’t know why you all are picking on her eyebrows of all things. All the women on social media wear them the same damn way, thick, furry, and painted on. Where’s the hateful comments on them? I think most of you have some deep dark issues and say mean things about others in order to feel good about yourselves.
Jackyl McGee
Straight outta 1313 Mockingbird Lane…
maybe Eddie Munsters unknown sister?