Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

The willow is too close to the house.

Bark louder, little dog.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you don’t.

I was confident that someone would point it out and thought why not me.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Ah, the different things are different argument.

The Supreme Court is corrupt. Democrats must win in November and force court reform.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith.

ha ha ha! Nice try weird people.

Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

Republicans are radicals, not conservatives.

I really should read my own blog.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

…and a burning sense of injustice to juice the soul.

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  1. 1.

    Nukular Biskits

    Not making the Zoom tonight.

    Been up/down in the attic, organizing that and the garage, not to mention up/down ladder pulling down and reboxing all the Christmas decorations. I’m about to grab a shower and I doubt I’ll make it to 9 pm my time.

    Tell Watergirl, et al, I’ll try to make it tomorrow.  Saw where Cole was gonna make an appearance.  My loss.

    ;>)

    All have a happy and safe NYE!

  2. 2.

    Another Scott

    Ooof.  That’s quite a collection of tweets AL!  ;-)

    Fingers crossed for a good 2024 for everyone.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  5. 5.

    HumboldtBlue

    If you start playing In The Air Tonight at 11:56:40 the drum break will drop as the clock strikes midnight.

  6. 6.

    Urza

    @Alison Rose: Stupid enough to not get a variety of news sources they can actually trust, that admit when they’re wrong and don’t reuse the same narrative a year later that was already proven wrong.

  8. 8.

    eclare

    Yes, I follow pop culture, I am watching the Ryan Seacrest NYE show.  I am looking forward to performances by Janelle Monae and Megan Thee Stallion.

    Ryan just had a live call with Joe and Dr. Jill.  He was respectful, only calling her Dr. Jill, not Jill.  Good to see.

  10. 10.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    That Jan 6 failed because Trump tried to have it both-ways and sat on his ass until if failed is pretty much the distillation of Trump’s entire career.

  11. 11.

    Raoul Paste

    We knew that the brazen lies were going to get more egregious going into 2024.  It’s all they’ve got

    Still, I’m very hopeful about 2024.  I think there will be a disgust with Trump’s increasingly frantic ravings that will flush these lunatics.
    So, be of good cheer, persevere, and Happy New Year

  12. 12.

    Dan B

    Happy New Year everyone!  I’m off to nap and then to a big party.  Whee!

    It was interesting to have two posts on BJ this weekend.  They were supposed to be a couple weeks apart but it was just fine this way.

    We had a single big boon.  It scared the grey cat a bit.  Now he’s back asleep.

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    From CNN and others.

    In a surprise move Denmark’s Queen Margrethe II has announced she will abdicate her role early in 2024, after a reign lasting more than five decades.

    Margrethe, 83, will hand over the throne to her son, Crown Prince Frederik, she said in her traditional New Year’s Eve speech broadcast on Danish television.

    She cited a back surgery in February 2023 as giving her thoughts about the future.

    Now that is how you kick off the New Year. I think her son is in his early 50s. The changeover will be low key.

  19. 19.

    Alison Rose

    @frosty: No, Elizabeth was Queen for longer than Victoria.

    Queen Elizabeth II became the longest-reigning monarch in British history on 9 September 2015 when she surpassed the reign of her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria. On 6 February 2017, she became the first British monarch to celebrate a Sapphire Jubilee, commemorating 65 years on the throne. On 6 February 2022, Elizabeth II became the first British monarch to reign for 70 years, and large-scale celebrations for her Platinum Jubilee occurred on 2 to 5 June. Later that year, Elizabeth II died at the age of 96, after reigning for 70 years and 214 days.

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    No question, things are more symmetric now than they were a year or a year and a half ago. Whatever economy patricians may think, the American people are very unhappy with the state of the economy.

    Isn’t Summers an economy patrician? He has been attacking the Biden administration from the moment President Uncle Joe was elected. It’s almost ridiculous how much airtime Summers has been given to slam the Democrats. His opinion ain’t worth worrying about.

    That’s manifest in how they see confidence in institutions.

    A great example of Summers’ stupidity. Jumping from claims about how people view the economy to bland nonsense about confidence in institutions is asinine. But this is what counts as conservative punditry these days.

  24. 24.

    zhena gogolia

    I just watched PeeWee’s Christmas special from 1988 on YouTube — fabulous! Grace Jones, Charo, kd lang, and more! Zsa Zsa!

  25. 25.

    Brachiator

    Earlier I was out on Colorado Boulevard in Pasadena, walking part of the route of the upcoming Rose Parade. We watched as a loose caravan of Volkswagens cruised down the street. Beetles, vans, all kinds of VWs. And they were not all mint condition restoration jobs. One particularly banged up VW van appeared to be driven by its original hippie owner and his old lady.

    Cool doings.

    I don’t watch the ball drop or other celebrations. I will may watch Oppenheimer and call it a night.

    Happy New Year.

  27. 27.

    SpaceUnit

    Most Americans won’t be happy about the economy unless it literally rains 100 dollar bills for a month.  And when high inflation inevitably ensues they’ll be unhappy again.  There’s no way to win.

    Happy New Year everyone!

  30. 30.

    Matt McIrvin

    @SpaceUnit: There is one way to win: be a Republican. The hack organ of 40% of Americans will kick in automatically and convince them the economy is great, and then you only need a fraction of the rest of the country to get a majority believing it.

  31. 31.

    MagdaInBlack

    I had plans to go to an old friends for a 2 person pizza slumber party. That did not work out, so she and I are now eating pizza separately and swapping youtube music. I’m good with this 😊

    Happy New Year 🪷

  33. 33.

    artem1s

    just realized it’s less than 2 hrs to the NY and I have not heard a single firework. very odd for my hood.

  35. 35.

    Splitting Image

    Congratulations to everyone for surviving the year and outliving Henry Kissinger.

    Drive safely. Outliving Trump will be worth it too.

  36. 36.

    cain

    @MagdaInBlack:

    We are having a party or rather our daughter is and we are making home made pizza and bunch of all other stuff.

    It’s nice that the kids would rather hang out with the olds instead of going out.

  37. 37.

    Citizen Alan

    Perhaps off topic comma but I have been watching a replay of the london 2024 fireworks display. And they had a brief bit about the high lights of 2023, of which they only mentioned 3 items: the coronation of king charles, the seventy fifth anniversary of the founding of the NHS, and the tenth anniversary of legalized gay marriage. This made me inordinately happy. Well the letter to anyway.  I am ambivalent about king charles.

  40. 40.

    Brachiator

    @Alison Rose:

    The NYT confused me because they referred to her as “Europe’s longest-serving monarch” — but I guess they meant current? Because QEII was on the throne for longer.

    Yeah. Must be current. And living.

    There is a lot of Australian news coverage on the abdication because the new Queen, Mary, was born in Australia. She somewhat resembles Kate Middleton.

  43. 43.

    HumboldtBlue

    @satby: ​ 

    My son, the pizza place owner, says it’s his best night of the year

    Huh, never thought of that, makes perfect sense.

  44. 44.

    MagdaInBlack

    I was hearing lots of explosions to the southeast, toward Chicago proper, and now, they have arrived in my nw suburban hood. Oh yay.

  47. 47.

    Wag

    Happy New Year to everyone.  I’m off to bed because the spouse and I are meeting a fried for an early morning winter 14,000 foot summit.  Play nicely and be safe!

  48. 48.

    frosty

    @HumboldtBlue: ​I had pizza too! Our college son said he wanted pizza for NYE so we ordered takeout. I was the only one who stuck with the pizza plan – wings for him and cheeseburger for Ms F. It was good, though, cauliflower crust. Thin and crispy the way I like it.​

  51. 51.

    Alison Rose

    @frosty: She’ll probably remain the longest for a while. I mean, Charles sure isn’t going to surpass her, LOL. And William wouldn’t either, he’s only a couple years younger than me. There would have to be something kind of crazy (someone abdicates) or bad (someone dies) for a future monarch to have a chance of besting Elizabeth.

  52. 52.

    Soprano2

    @Alison Rose: I think it’s also partly because the headlines everywhere this year have been about how inflation is bad and no one can afford anything. Seriously for awhile NPR was doing a story every day about it! One of the replies on that Larry Summers thread said everything doubled in price since 2020, which is obviously not true.

  54. 54.

    Layer8Problem

    Not seeing any of the twittage up above because of my fussy browser blockage add-ons and extensions, so I’m assuming it’s all puppies and kittens, which I like much better than Larry Summers and suchlike anyway.

    We just watched Maestro on the Netflix and are considering sauntering over to the local public house for the big year change.

  55. 55.

    scav

    @Citizen Alan: Wasn’t some anniversary of Windrush also mentioned  at the London do?  Quite enjoyed the general tenor of things mentioned all in all.

    Happy New Year!

  56. 56.

    Timill

    @Alison Rose: Charles has a shot at longest-lived British Head of State. He’s 75, and ahead of him are his mum, plus George III, at 81, and Richard Cromwell, at 85. There may be others in the 75-81 range.

  59. 59.

    Alison Rose

    Something good in CA:

    A federal appeals court on Saturday allowed California’s ban on the carrying of firearms in most public places to take effect in 2024, halting a lower court judge’s ruling that had blocked enforcement of the law.

    The state law, Senate Bill 2, sets several restrictions on gun ownership, and Gov. Gavin Newsom approved it in September. But Judge Cormac Carney of the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California blocked enforcement of the law in December, saying that the ban on guns in most public places would unconstitutionally “deprive” citizens of their right to bear arms.

    Judge Carney wrote in his ruling to grant an injunction that the ban “is sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment, and openly defiant of the Supreme Court.”

    But the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals paused the injunction, allowing the law to go into effect on Monday while the court takes more time to decide on the constitutionality of the law.

    Mr. Newsom, a Democrat, hailed the appeals court’s ruling in a statement, saying it will “allow our common-sense gun laws to remain in place while we appeal the district court’s dangerous ruling.”

    Along with banning the carrying of guns in most public places, the law sets the minimum age for obtaining a gun license at 21 and adds more requirements for gun safety training before receiving a new license.
    The public places covered by the law are divided into 26 categories with various locations, including playgrounds, public transportation, stadiums, amusement parks and museums. The law also prohibits people from carrying firearms on the grounds of private businesses unless there is clear signage indicating that they are allowed.

    Sure is a GREAT LOOK when people are arguing for the right to carry weapons in PLAYGROUNDS.

  62. 62.

    HumboldtBlue

    We had two booms earlier, nothing since, but as the night goes on the assholes will start with the noise.

    Been watching The Bear, and for all the praise, it’s a world of toxic, toxic, people. The camera work is interesting, very in-your-face, as is the dialog, Carmy is a brilliant character, but man, assholes abound, making it much closer to real life than I think I want to admit.

  63. 63.

    Geminid

    @Alison Rose: California’s “permit to purchase” law is worth noting. Generally, states with the permit-to-purchase requirement have fewer murders. Besides the training mandate, the extra step seems to inhibit purchases. If I could add only one more gun safety law in Virginia, it would be a permit-to-purchase system.

    California also requires firearms to be registered. That would be the next step here. Bans on large capacity magazines and an assault weapons ban would be 3rd and 4th. This seems like a stretch for Virginia, but Democrats could make it happen by 2030.

  65. 65.

    hrprogressive

    @Alison Rose: ​
     

    Yes, but also, the shareholder-owned media lies to them and tells them what they want them to believe, because they hope it will bring in more Republicans, and thus “lower taxes” and “deregulation” and “the fascist trump reich” and so forth.

  66. 66.

    Spanky

    I can tell by the gunfire that it’s New Year’s. May everyone’s 2024 be better than their 2023!

  67. 67.

    Chetan Murthy

    @hrprogressive: [and it occurs to me that] all of this happening during a banner year for stocks, so it isn’t *money* that driving these dirtbags to lie to the public.  It’s their desire to increase inequality, increase control, and increase oppression.  B/c status is a zero-sum game.

  68. 68.

    frosty

    Some minor booms here in South PA. Doesn’t sound like gunfire, surprisingly, but I remember that from Baltimore.

    Anyway, Happy New Year, Jackals! And remember, no matter how bad it seemed, we all saw the end of 2023 and Henry Kissinger didn’t!

  70. 70.

    frosty

    @Alison Rose:You’re right, she was crowned at 25 and stuck it out until she was 96. That combination isn’t going to happen again for awhile.

    Plus, truck driver and mechanic in WW2!!

  72. 72.

    mrmoshpotato

    @frosty:

    Anyway, Happy New Year, Jackals! And remember, no matter how bad it seemed, we all saw the end of 2023 and Henry Kissinger didn’t! 

    Rush Limbaugh, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, and Ken Starr also in Hell.

  73. 73.

    RaflW

    To the abhorrent question in that one Xit “Is race mixing bad?”, like holy shit we’re not having that ‘debate’ again. “In the 2020 United States census, 33.8 million individuals or 10.2% of the population, self-identified as multiracial.”

    In 1960, all racial minorities combined (mixed or single race, ie: any non-whites) were only 11.4% of the total population.

    I know there’s a lot of racist-ass, p.o.s. white people in this country freaking out about reaching the tipping point where being white will just be a purality not a majority. But so fucking what?! Christ on a saltine, I’m so sick of this from fellow white people.

  74. 74.

    Leto

    @frosty: lot of fireworks here. The Pagoda was shooting fireworks but due to it being overcast we can’t see them.

    Happy new year everyone!

  75. 75.

    RaflW

    BTW the 7pm fireworks over at Keystone resort in CO were really nice, and I’m glad my buddy and I went and we were each in our respective condos by 8:02 pm. Ahhh. (Private fireworks are pretty dang illegal up here where forest fires are a genuine risk).

    Just had the NYE call with the BF, who had an early dinner with his parents and seems to be doing fine with missing out on the general lack of fresh snow to slide on (I’m kinda not).

    Anyway, Happy New Year!!

    eta: Damn. Someone is shooting bottle rockets right now. Probably some Texans.

  76. 76.

    DarbysMom

    Happy New Year from a west coast Jackal!  Not gonna make it much longer here. Spouse and dog are already snoring. My best wishes to all!

  77. 77.

    hrprogressive

    @Chetan Murthy: ​
     

    If it were truly just about cash, the records have shown that America has been far more prosperous under Democratic administrations than Republican ones, so you’d think the shareholders would actually not want the GOP in power, so that tells you it really is all about the subjugation of the non-elite, and not just about their Earnings Per Share for that next quarterly call.

  78. 78.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Alison Rose:

    @Urza:

    @SpaceUnit:

    Is there evidence a majority of Americans believe this?

    I do have to say, I dealt with a moron doomer on YT comments a few days ago who brought up an “economic crisis” we’re supposedly in and I argued that wages have increased in the last two years, inflation has eased, and unemployment remains low, and the UAW has made significant gains, for example for workers. You know what they came back with?

    “It’s incredible to me how someone could be in so much denial about the current state of the world, you are literally the embodiment of the “This is fine” comic, I don’t really care what you think, you can continue to keep your head in the sand for all I care, doesn’t change reality.”

    Unbelievable, yet believeable at the same time. Person was totally invested in their doom and gloom worldview and refused to engage meaningfully with anything I said. Got to love the condescension too!

  79. 79.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I’m reminded of all those people who believed that the economy was in the shitter during the 2016 election, only to turn on a dime and extol the Great American Economy just as soon as TFG was installed.

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    I’m taking a quick break from dancing at a NY event my kid’s band is playing.  Happy new year jackals!

  81. 81.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Chetan Murthy:

    The person didn’t strike me as a right winger. They also complained about the threat of “AI” coming for all of our jobs. Reactionaries tend to like “AI” for some reason, I’ve noticed. I told them it was overhyped, basically, and even provided examples of SAG, WGA, etc getting protections put into their contracts. Didn’t matter. The person didn’t have anything, so they noped out, while passive-aggressively insulting me to make themselves look/feel smart. That comment I quoted? It was literally his first response to my reply.

    Anyway, I wouldn’t be in Trump’s shoes when it comes to abortion

  82. 82.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I think the US population breaks down about like this:

    40%: Republican hacks for whom “is the economy good?” is a synonym for “is the President a Republican?”

    10%: left-leaning people who aren’t going to regard any economy with the gross long-term fundamental inequities of ours as “good” under any circumstances

    50%: everyone else

    And that kind of puts a ceiling on perceptions of the economy under any Democratic President.

  83. 83.

    AnotherKevin

    I don’t have any educated views on whether we should or should not provide Pakistan its requested aid, but I am quite certain that they have no right to be aggrieved if we decide NO.  Significant parts of their security establishment have at least loosely worked with (or in more cases looked the other way on) Taliban and similar groups/activities.

  84. 84.

    Chetan Murthy

    @AnotherKevin: Oh heh indeed.  Any aid we give them needs to be in trade for the severed heads of basically every single ISI agent who ever set foot in Afghanistan or the NWFP, and everybody in their chain of command.  All of them.  Pile them up in front of the American Embassy.

  88. 88.

    Soprano2

    @AnotherKevin: They probably helped Osama escape Clinton’s missle strike in 1998. We deliberately didn’t tell them we were doing that until the missles were in the air because their intelligence service was riddled with Taliban sympathizers. Fuck them.

  89. 89.

    Yutsano

    @Soprano2: And we only had to tell the Pakistani government because the missiles had to go over their airspace. But it was just enough word to move him in time. The moles weren’t all ISI. There were tribal networks that were also involved in making the Clinton strike a failure.

  90. 90.

    Soprano2

    @Yutsano: Richard Clarke was pretty adamant about that. He said we missed bin Laden by less than an hour. How different would things have been if we had gotten him. I’m not going to boohoo for them.

  92. 92.

    NotMax

    Near constant chorus of crackles outside punctuated with flashes of bright, bright white and big boomies.

    I know what an M-80 sounds like. These are more like an M-800.

    Went out about an hour after sunset to wheel the trash bin down to the street. Practically had to slice through the pervasive noxious haze.

  93. 93.

    Yutsano

    @Soprano2: The only positive in that situation (and it’s a dumb one but go with me) is that the blah guy got to take him out. It was one of the gutsiest calls of his presidency and I’m glad he made it. It just sucked that he had to.

  97. 97.

    HumboldtBlue

    @SFAW: ​ 

    Have a great forking time!

    I just watched the Xmas episode of The Bear, and it featured a lot of fork-throwing.

  99. 99.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    There’s still another hour or so of 2023 to go here but a Happy New Year to all, whether or not you want it!

    I’m going to note here that I believe that the TFG ‘strategy’ going into the election this year is that The Orange Menace is going to push for his supporters to go to liberal areas to ‘secure the vote’, with the real goal being to disrupt and discourage turnout and sow confusion and fear on a nationwide scale.

    That’s my prediction for the next election. Cheers! 👀

  100. 100.

    ColoradoGuy

    Mountain Time Zone calling in. Booms and crashes for about fifteen minutes … a bit quieter than previous years. May 2024 be good for all of us!

  102. 102.

    Redshift

    @Matt McIrvin: Krugman covered this a few months ago. There’s always been a tendency for Dems and Republicans to rate the economy better when one of their own is president. But in recent years this effect has grown larger on the Republican side, but not in the Democratic side, distorting the “how is the economy doing” responses in favor of the the GOP. (But notably doesn’t represent any real shift of voters.)

  103. 103.

    David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch

    @Alison Rose: You’ve got to remember that these are just simple people. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

  105. 105.

    prostratedragon

    @Brachiator:

    Source:

    He was the son of two economists, Robert Summers (who changed the family surname from Samuelson) and Anita Summers (of Romanian-Jewish ancestry), who were both professors at the University of Pennsylvania. He is also the nephew of two Nobel laureates in economics: Paul Samuelson (brother of Robert Summers) and Kenneth Arrow (brother of Anita Arrow Summers).

  108. 108.

    Geoduck

    Here in western Washington state, lots of people are shooting off stuff, but it’s so foggy, you can’t see anything. The Space Needle display in Seattle is suffering from it as well this year.

  109. 109.

    scav

    @HumboldtBlue: And look what just dropped, he’s left his studio for a series.

    For the next several months, I’ll be leaving my studio and visiting the galleries, workshops and factories of people who make the world art possible, sharing their dedication, craft and expertise as we take a look Behind The Canvas.

    This new 8-part series will explore a side of the art world that often goes unseen, from art handlers to linen factories, frame guilders and paper conservators, join me as we meet the dedicated, hard-working people who rarely receive credit and explore their work that’s so essential to making the world of art we love possible.

    Especially fun for those familiar with his work.  Or, at least, it will make perfect sense for such!

  110. 110.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    Some chucklefuck is firing off rounds into the air here so I guess that means that another year of guns going off has started. Here’s to the rounds finding their owner or their house. IMO boomerang bullets would be a brilliant invention.

    Hit your target or else…lol!

  111. 111.

    Jay

    Fireworks central here, and people out on their balconies clanging pots and pans, a kid with a kazoo, cheers,

    and laughter, lots of laughter.

    Previous years have been pretty joyless,

    It’s good to hear joy.

  114. 114.

    eclare

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    A three year old in his apartment with his family was shot here today by random gunfire.  He survived.  I hope the police catch whoever did this and send them to prison.  Actions should have consequences.

    Gunfire has recently picked back up.

  118. 118.

    NotMax

    Sick to death of fireworks noises. All but non-stop for 5 hours now. And it’s only 11:25 p.m.

  119. 119.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @eclare:

    Innocent bystander shot during celebrations. What an American way to start the year! The words of our brilliant founding fathers are killing and wounding people to this very day.

  120. 120.

    David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch

    @Baud: ​
    How can that be, I was assured by our media betters that the Silicon Valley bank failure in March would usher in a great depression and cats and dogs living together?

  124. 124.

    opiejeanne

    @Baud: The baby formula crisis was real, and it was partly caused by Trump’s tariff on milk imported from Canada as well as contamination at an American producer’s plant that killed at least two infants. It was a big problem for parents of infants who needed a special formula for their babies.

  126. 126.

    opiejeanne

    @Baud: Yes, it was solved while the Republicans screamed that formula was readily available to migrants’ babies, and the Biden administration moved too slowly, yada yada.

    I thought it came to a head in 2021, but I checked and the peak was in 2022, not long before I became a grandma.

    The banking crisis, wasn’t it limited to that one failure of the Silicon Valley bank? I don’t remember being very worried about it at the time.

  128. 128.

    opiejeanne

    @opiejeanne: The banking crisis of 2023 probably didn’t phase me after watching bank after bank being seized, starting in 2009-ish,  caused by Republican policies. Reading about the method used to secure those seized banks and their assets was fascinating, while the crisis itself was shocking.

  129. 129.

    opiejeanne

    @Baud: They quashed that pretty quickly, if only 3 banks were affected. I do remember the “be panicked” noises coming from the media.

    I’m awake because my blood sugar alarm went off for being too low, and then I couldn’t find my glucose tablets and now the cat is trying to walk on my keyboard.

  130. 130.

    different-church-lady

    Fuck it, tech bros and corporations want to turn all of life into a big Skinner box we’re all in. And if we don’t keep pushing back it’ll keep getting worse.

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