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Cold Grey Pre-Dawn Open Thread: Sow the Wind, Reap the Whirlwind

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Per CNN, “Kansas City shooting may have stemmed from personal dispute, police say; 2 juveniles detained”:

Two juveniles have been detained in connection with Wednesday’s shooting following the Kansas City Chiefs’ Super Bowl celebration rally, which left one dead and more than 20 wounded, police said.

At least 23 victims have been identified, including a 43-year-old woman who died, police chief Stacey Graves said at a news conference Thursday. The other 22 victims range in age from 8 to 47, Graves said, adding that half are younger than 16.

The shooting appears to have been a “dispute between several people that ended in gunfire,” Graves said, noting there is no indication of a “nexus to terrorism or homegrown violent extremism.”

On Wednesday, Graves said three people had been detained and an unspecified number of guns recovered by police. On Thursday, a Kansas City police spokesperson told CNN one person who was in custody was “determined to not be involved.” Two juvenile teens remained in custody for further investigation, police said.

Several law enforcement officials similarly told CNN the shooting was believed to have been the result of a personal dispute in the area, and not an attack on the celebration itself…

Wednesday’s was at least the 48th mass shooting in the United States so far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive, which like CNN counts those in which four or more are shot, not including a perpetrator…

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  3. 3.

    Baud

    I hope they figure out which side of the dispute was the good guy with a gun, or an innocent person could end up in jail.

  4. 4.

    trnc

    noting there is no indication of a “nexus to terrorism or homegrown violent extremism.”

    Yup, nothing extreme about some kids walking around with guns and shooting people.

  6. 6.

    Balconesfault

    @Baud:  right … extremism implies ideology.

    “You’re dissing me” isn’t an ideology

    The ideology here is that the police should have no options except to wait until that adolescent with a gun actually opens fire.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    I love Schatz’ Twitter game, but here he sadly doesn’t realize that the people prefer complaining about problems than solving them piecemeal.

  8. 8.

    Patricia Kayden

    Unfettered and unregulated access to guns is what you get when you vote for Republicans. They have become the Party of Death. They’re perfectly okay with gun violence and want the rest of us to just shrug away mass shootings. Stop voting for them.

  9. 9.

    brantl

    @Baud: Jesus, Baud, they’ll try that next, the malevolent banal little shitwads. (I left out the commas, as I felt it should be read at full steam.)

  10. 10.

    trnc

    @Balconesfault:

    @Baud:  right … extremism implies ideology.

    “You’re dissing me” isn’t an ideology

    The ideology is the insistence on easy access to guns regardless of the consequences seen daily.

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Missouri Governor Mike Parson, last seen running from gunfire at the Chief’s celebration in Kansas City, signed into law last August a provision that would nullify federal gun laws in the state.

    Putting the Misery in Missouri.

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    Jake Tapper.  What a tool.  I doubt he has the self-awareness to realize what a huge part of the problem he and our other hack journalists are.  “Both sides!”

    They are such liars and courtesans.

    Although:  yep.  Jake Tapper is certainly one adult who is failing our children. And paid handsomely for it.

  13. 13.

    Mo MacArbie

    I’m wondering at the distinction made between “terrorism” and “homegrown violent extremism”. I think I know the answer, but I’d like to hear them elaborate.

  14. 14.

    LiminalOwl

    Media reporting that Alexei Navalny has died in prison. “Lost consciousness while tak8ng a walk.”

  16. 16.

    satby

    @Mo MacArbie: Brown people. That’s the distinction. Brown people are terrorists, and white supremacists are the home grown violent extremists, unless it’s “antifa”, which are whomever they need to blame something on.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Mo MacArbie:“Terrorists” are dark middle eastern Muslims while “homegrown violent extremists” are patriotic white Americans defending our way of life against all the woke subversive communist gays.
    @satby: beat me to it but only because I wanted to fully describe the differences.​

  22. 22.

    Princess

    @Elizabelle: It feels like another thumb in the nose to Tucker Carlson and by extension, us. Have Tucker of the land of the free press come fellate him and look like a fool, then kill Navalny.  I suspect the two events are linked.

  26. 26.

    LiminalOwl

    @Baud: I wonder whether there are any windows high enough in a Siberian prison?  My understanding is that building on permafrost limits the height (or mass, but related) of structures.

  27. 27.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @LiminalOwl: Sinkholes are opening up all over Siberia from the thawing permafrost and resulting release of methane. Maybe he fell into one of those while he was “taking a walk.”

  28. 28.

    Princess

    @Baud: from Putin’s pov though, which must be a bit like one of those old New Yorker cartoons showing the viewof the world according to New Yorkers

  30. 30.

    Bupalos

    The timing is interesting. Putin is campaigning for the show-election. The Kremlin had been allowing anti-war semi-fake candidate Boris Nadezhdin to gather signatures to qualify, but had to pull the plug on that project last week as there was too much genuine organic political response, which became too noticeable. Nadezhdin petitioners were drawing big crowds and lines in public.

  32. 32.

    Matt McIrvin

    Putin also just made some remarks about how he’d prefer a Biden win over Trump, which were immediately interpreted as Putin doing Trump a favor by un-endorsing him with backwards psychology–that may well be, but I think my reaction is more that Putin can go fuck himself and nothing that comes out of his liar mouth should be taken as an indication of anything.

  33. 33.

    Tony Jay

    Republicans = Unrestricted Gun Violence and Open Season on America’s Streets.

    Should be easy enough to run on that in most parts of the country. Republicans have turned every corner of the US (other than the spaces their VIPs actually congregate) into expies of RoboCop’s Detroit or the LA of Predator 2.

    I wonder how annoyed most voters are about that and how hard they’d swing towards a Party promising to make the streets safe again.

  34. 34.

    Another Scott

    On the lighter side…

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    GeePawHill

    Here’s a lovely thing.

    “By and large”, as in, “by and large, pizza is good”, is a *nautical* expression, dating from the 18th shading back into the mists of the 17th century of English sailing ships.

    “By” means “tending opposite the prevailing wind”, and “large” means “tending with the prevailing wind”.

    So, “by and large” means “no matter which way your ship is headed relative to the wind”.

    I’m a poly-dork, and one of my dorkeries is language.

    I cherish this fact.

    Also, I cherish pizza.

    Feb 16, 2024

    +1

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  36. 36.

    Elizabelle

    Before we leave this thread:  There was a wonderful woman who died for attending a sports team’s victory celebration.  Don’t want to just focus on the shooters and their “adult” enablers.   NBC has this post up under their “Guns in America” tag.

    Woman shot dead at Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl celebration was a popular radio DJ
    Lisa Lopez-Galvan co-hosted a weekly radio show on local station KKFI 90.1 called “A Taste of Tejano,” played local weddings and promoted charity fundraisers.

    [She was a mother of two.  Turns out her son, Marc, was shot in the leg, but already released from the hospital.]

    [Per a friend] “She was the most wonderful, beautiful person. She was a local DJ. She did everybody’s weddings. We all know her. She was so full of life.”

    On her own Facebook page, Lopez-Galvan, a Chiefs fan, showed how excited she was for the Super Bowl by posting pictures of red and yellow snacks and shirts.

    In November, the Kansas City Hispanic News newspaper published a feature on Lopez-Galvan and her father, Beto Lopez, 79, a locally famous mariachi musician.
    “My daughter Lisa enjoys music just as much as I do, except I play a trumpet with Mariachi groups and Lisa plays music at the KKFI community radio station,” Lopez told the paper.

    “She also DJs for different events throughout the metro, whether that be a private party or a fiesta. What we have is special, and it is all for the love of music.”

  39. 39.

    Matt McIrvin

    By the way, while I don’t know the kind of weapons that were used in this particular shooting, this kind of “argument that got out of hand” shooting is an example of why just banning assault rifles isn’t going to make a big dent in gun violence. These are usually done with the kind of handguns that people carry for personal “defense”. It’s a good example of how insane that is, but it’s sometimes hard to convince even liberals of that.

  40. 40.

    Geminid

    @Matt McIrvin: No one piece of gun safety measure will make a big dent in gun violence. They make small dents, and even a state with a strong array of firearms restrictions like California still has gun violence. But I think California’s system would be a good template for my own and other states to follow. We might only cut firearms deaths by 20% over five years, but then we can go after the next 30%. It’s kind of decarbonizing the world economy; it will be done one step at a time.

  42. 42.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @Geminid: Well I can think of one piece of gun legislation that would do about 90% of the trick (banning all private gun ownership, period), but it would require an entirely different SCOTUS and could never be passed in this universe.

  45. 45.

    Geminid

    @UncleEbeneezer: You are correct. That’s why gun safety groups do not campaign for a total ban on guns but rather more mundane restrictions and regulations. They do not have the luxury of proposing unrealistic solutions; they are busy fighting for what can be done and needs to be done.

    But it’s not just the courts that keep us from banning guns. I think you would find a lot of Democratic voters who would oppose that. In fact I know some, and others have spoken up here.

    But I think it’s fine for people to talk about these seemingly comprehensive solutions, as long as they don’t dismiss more practical efforts that can be made and are being by people and organizations who want to reduce gun violence. And I do not take the people who dismiss them seriously.

  46. 46.

    dirge

    @Balconesfault: “You’re dissing me” isn’t an ideology

    By itself, maybe not, but to the extent republicans have anything resembling an ideology, that’s the lynchpin.

  47. 47.

    dirge

    @Matt McIrvin: this kind of “argument that got out of hand” shooting is an example of why just banning assault rifles isn’t going to make a big dent in gun violence. These are usually done with the kind of handguns that people carry for personal “defense”

    The reports of lots of injuries, not so many deaths, immediately suggested to me that this didn’t involve assault rifles.  Less severe injuries isn’t enough, but it still counts as a dent.

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