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Make the republican party small enough to drown in a bathtub.

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Second rate reporter says what?

You cannot shame the shameless.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

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Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

This really is a full service blog.

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American history and black history cannot be separated.

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Welp, here we are. Tomorrow is the big day, and I have been informed that since the election has officially underway in a few hours in Maine or NH or one of those fucking places, we are now operating under airport rules. Nothing is off limits. Want a cocktail at nine am? Go for it. 1600 calorie Cinnabon at 11pm tonight. Knock yourself out, kid. No one is going to judge.

My dinner was a 10mg edible and I dipped a half a bar of baker’s chocolate into a jar of peanut butter. I have no real appetite. I’ve tried watching tv but can’t focus so I’m just gonna play video games all night and troll twitter.

I’m now just thinking about the potential we could have with a blowout. How many good things we could do. How we could potentially lose Ted Cruz and Rick Scott forever. It’s kinda like the political equivalent of me thinking about how I am going to spend the winnings from my Powerball jackpot I am going to win with my two dollar ticket. But it’s getting me through this.

I know they say this is the most important election ever, and it is. More so than 2020. More so than 2016. Trump is worse even than he was in those, and surrounded by truly awful people.

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Part of the reason my dinner was baker’s chocolate and peanut butter is I packed up my pantry and am taking all my dried goods, canned goods, expirable spices, and frozen goods to the soup kitchen and so there’s not much left but a bunch of tins of kippered snacks and sardines which I am not even going to bother trying to give to the soup kitchen. Damn near every person that comes to my house and sees those items makes a snide remark so I am not going to try to foist them on homeless people who already have it rough enough.

Speaking of packing up, I am in trouble with my mom and dad because apparently I forgot to tell them I am leaving on Thursday. I’ve told everyone. You all know, everyone at work knows, my siblings know, my neighbors know, the lady at the post office knows, Harry at the general store knows, but apparently I neglected to tell them. Oops.

So mom was a little agitated when she found out from my neighbor down the street. The good news is I have spent 54 years prepping her for this kind of disappointment, so she’ll get over it quickly.

That’s it for me. You do what you gotta do to keep sane. I think we got this. I hope.

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  2. 2.

    lowtechcyclist

    A question, Math Guy: what’s yellow and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice?​

    Also, what’s purple and commutes?

  3. 3.

    Steve Holmes

    I’m a poll worker on Election Day, it’s the best way for me not to obsess about the election on Election Day.

    at least until around 9pm.

  4. 4.

    👻David 🎃Booooooo🎃 Koch💀

     CNN correspondent Steve Contorno reported Monday that a crowd waiting to see former President Donald Trump in Pennsylvania was “quite thin” with “a lot of empty seats.”

  9. 9.

    Steve Holmes

    @Steve Holmes: when we are done reconciling the precinct votes we post the results on the precinct door.  That’s when I find out how any of my neighbors have disappointed me.

  10. 10.

    Chet Murthy

    In the spirit of “the potential we could have with a blowout. How many good things we could do”, I thought maybe we could talk about what we’ll do if Harris wins?  I mean,  in our personal lives, not so much for the country.  I’ll start: I’ve needed to

    • replace my mattress
    • replace my 25yr-old couch
    • buy a car
    • find a new apartment

    All things I’ve wanted to do for at least a year, but deferred until I knew whether I’d still be here.  On Wednesday morning, hopefully I can start.

  11. 11.

    SpaceUnit

    I think we’ve got this.

    My biggest worry about a month ago was that there would be some sort of bullshit Russian sourced October surprise.  And I figured the MSM would jump all over it, however lame and sketchy it was, because of course they would.  But nope.  I guess Putin doesn’t have the time or resources.

    The trump campaign has been the worst I’ve seen in a lifetime while the Harris campaign is probably the best.

    Trump hasn’t had a good day since the Harris campaign launched.  Even the “assassination attempt” stunt was a total fucking dud.  He’s got nothing.

    I’m going to sleep pretty well tonight.  Hope everyone else here does as well.

  13. 13.

    HumboldtBlue

    Georgia will not count thousands of absentee ballots.​ 

    ATLANTA (AP) — Thousands of voters in Georgia’s third-largest county who received their absentee ballots late will not get an extension to return them, the state’s highest court decided on Monday.

    Cobb County, just north of Atlanta, didn’t mail out absentee ballots to some 3,400 voters who had requested them until late last week. Georgia law says absentee ballots must be received by the close of polls on Election Day. But a judge in a lower court ruled last week that the ballots at issue could be counted if they’re received by this Friday, three days after Election Day, as long as they were postmarked by Tuesday.

    The Georgia Supreme Court ruling means the affected Cobb County residents must vote in person on Election Day, which is Tuesday, or bring their absentee ballots to the county elections office by 7 p.m. that day.

    The high court ruling instructs county election officials to notify the affected voters by email, text message and in a public message on the county election board’s website. And it orders officials to keep separate and sealed any ballots received after the Election Day deadline but before 5 p.m. Friday.

  14. 14.

    trnc

    The good news is I have spent 54 years prepping her for this kind of disappointment, so she’ll get over it quickly.

    Proper training always pays off.

  16. 16.

    Chet Murthy

    @sab: haha, I thought the same thing!  Heck, I used to make herring salad sandwiches with ’em  (but ran out of herring).  I forget what one does with sardines, but I’m sure there are yummy snacks you can make with those too.

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    Taking a cue from the Gideons, you could leave an (unopened) tin of sardines in the drawer of a nightstand in each hotel room on the way.
    :)

  18. 18.

    3Sice

    Cruz is complaining about the lack of support from McConnell. Who went all in to win the Senate and…. uh oh.

  20. 20.

    Math Guy

    Three men come to an inn seeking a room. The innkeeper says they can share a room for $30. They agree and each pay him $10. Later that evening the innkeeper decides he charged too much for the room so he gives his assistant $5 and asks him to go give it to the three gentlemen. The assistant decides  to keep $2 for himself and gives each of the men $1. So now each of the three men has paid $9 and the assistant kept $2, for a total of $29. What happened to the other dollar?

    NB: It doesn’t matter. Kamala and Tim are going to win in a landslide.

  21. 21.

    khead

    I think we got this. I hope.

    Remember, Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.

  23. 23.

    3Sice

    Kippers are too smokey. Give me the sour cream packed. Sardines are fine. Salmon salad is better than tuna, Smoked Whitefish salad for the win.

  24. 24.

    Mousebumples

    @SpaceUnit: big Harris/Walz “scandals” this cycle –

    • Harris maybe didn’t work at McDonald’s
    • Her current husband (Doug) was unfaithful to his former wife, before he met Harris
    • Walz romanced a woman in China who still thinks of him to this day (Timmy’s got game!)

    For serious, Trump has more actual scandals by 1030am most days.

    I remain nauseously optimistic. I think she’s got this. Hopefully, there will be some good surprises to make for early calls…

  25. 25.

    ssdd

    My mother left me one piece of advice I’ve always found useful. Ssdd, she would say, always expect the worst. That way, you can only be pleasantly surprised.

    So re tomorrow, hoping for the pleasant surprise.

  30. 30.

    laura

    Low level anxiety thrumming, last solid meal cooked and consuming (pan fried, oven finished chicken thighs with sage, rosemary, thyme pan sauce over a mashed tater and steamed fresh broccoli and carrot veg). My late Mother’s best friend checked in and she’s planning on staying up all night Tuesday. We’re both staying in our defensive crouch and plan to check back in on Wednesday. I’m holding firm to Baud’s am missive like Dumbo’s feather about accepting the outcome and crediting the Harris campaign and all our efforts, and rejecting any burden of shame or failure, should the election go ‘that way.’

  31. 31.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @3Sice: Smoked Whitefish salad for the win.

    Alas, quality of whitefish salad is highly variable. Once in a while you can find whitefish packages but rarely. Le sigh.

  34. 34.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    We’ll win the popular vote easily.  Winning in GA might come down to voter suppression.

    The base of our party will be there, thank you again black women.  Here’s hoping the squishables have been reached and see the light.

    PS: Mmmmmmm, kippers.  Trader Joe’s carried some for a while that were to die for but like always, they stopped offering them…one of the many infuriating things about that store outside of the obvious parking issue.

  43. 43.

    Math Guy

    @Jess: Just answering lowtechcyclist’s questions.

    Dealing with stress my usual way; do some math, cook a nice meal, sit and read with a cat asleep on my lap.

  46. 46.

    sab

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: No anchovies for me. I had a jar of them once. A jackal told me I could get rid of them by sneaking one anchovy into any stew that I made. That worked nicely. A little anchovy goes a long long way. Too salty.

  48. 48.

    Poe Larity

    @Chet Murthy:

    replace my mattress
    replace my 25yr-old couch
    buy a car

    You make that sound so simple. First, that old Serta factory lady you could call in NC and get a surplus Hotel Mattress sent to your local dealer from retired. Second, we’ve been arguing for 5 years how we got it into the apartment after 3 hours of trying so it’s probably not ever leaving. And third, I’ve called the Honda dealer the last three days to ask when a good time is to come in and nobody answers.

    Thanks Obama.

    Also, too, y’all are losers. I’m buying caviar tomorrow.

  51. 51.

    SuzieC

    @Steve Holmes: Same.  Also, operating under airport rules, I continued my tradition of election day baking with a ricotta cheesecake.  It is already gone, so will have to fall back on a healthy meal of pizza and ice cream for tomorrow.

  55. 55.

    Jess

    @Poe Larity:

    Second, we’ve been arguing for 5 years how we got it into the apartment after 3 hours of trying so it’s probably not ever leaving.

    Chainsaw into pieces, then toss out the window (preferably into the dumpster you positioned there ahead of time). Same as bodies. Easy peasy.

    (Toilets are more difficult, I’ve found. They shatter into billions of sharp splinters when you yeet them out the window.)

  57. 57.

    sab

    @Poe Larity: In NE Ohio we have Original Mattress Factory that makes mattresses locally without all that venture capital money that ruined the famous makes. The original owner retired and sold the company to his employees.

  59. 59.

    Chet Murthy

    @Poe Larity: how we got it into the apartment after 3 hours of trying

    200-2003 I lived in a 2nd floor apartment in Beacon Hill with a narrow, winding staircase entry. Hooboy that was a tight one.  But moving companies in Boston knew what was what.  They didn’t bother with schlepping stuff up-and-down the stairs: they just moved a truck up with an extensible ramp that they sent right up to the window and everything came out that.  It was quite amazing watching a single guy manhandle a 7foot sleeper sofa in (and years later, out) the window.  Single guy.  Boy howdy strong guy.

  60. 60.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @NotMax:

    Eight, sir; seven, sir;
    Six, sir; five, sir;
    Four, sir; Three, sir;
    Two, sir; one!
    Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tension, apprehension,
    And dissension have begun

  61. 61.

    MobiusKlein

    The family is making pot brownies tonight, in prep for tomorrow.  Just sad that I wanted normal ones, and you can’t just add the pot at the end.

    Tomorrow evening, we have our regular DnD game – and by pure coincidence, we are raiding the Prison / Torture block of the Set Cultists – red robed assholes all – and have been slaughtering them with wild abandon.     Best part is when we glued their temple door shut with magic glue.

  63. 63.

    sab

    @Kristine: Proving once again that this is a full service blog. My sister lives in La Jolla and she had never heard of them. She needs to get out more.

  64. 64.

    Kayla Rudbek

    @Chet Murthy: I have such a long list of things to do to the house…not sure whether I should have the place repiped first or painted first. Replacing the awful gray plastic pipes that fail from the inside out should probably be the first step…

  65. 65.

    Ohio Mom

    Wait — if you, Cole, are in Arizona, who will be driving Mom and Pop to the beach? Or are they staying home this winter?

    Over the years I’ve become invested in their welfare.

    On another note, there are a bunch of things happening here in Ohio Family (nothing bad) and that is distracting me from too much anxiety about the election. Or at least I am forcing myself to be distracted.

  67. 67.

    Ramalama

    @laura:

    We’re both staying in our defensive crouch

    At first I thought you said defensive couch. Like every living room has an offense and defense of settees.

  68. 68.

    Kristine

    @eclare: I like skipjack, too. Pretty much any canned fish except anchovies.

    OTOH, I make salmon loaf with the cheap pink stuff, skin, bones, and all. Leftovers make great burgers.

  69. 69.

    scav

    @Kristine: The pro canned little fishies list is growing.  I’ll be good and queue properly and not grab.  Herring in bottles also count, for the record.

  70. 70.

    J.

    Went to supposed to be solid Blue Hawaii so I wouldn’t see political ads or obsess about the election. Ha! On the flight over I had two Trump supporters yammering behind me for 6+ hours. And yesterday we passed a Trump convoy and keep seeing Trump signs and hats. WTF? (We are on the Big Island, which is or was the hippie island. But according to friends here, lots of older white Trumpers moved here during the pandemic.)

  74. 74.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @Other MJS: yes I know. [ETA probability seems to be counter-intuitive; I was lucky, learned it playing bridge — “restricted choice”]

  75. 75.

    Princess

    @Math Guy: In 2008 I door-knocked for Obama in Michigan City Indiana on Election Day. We were supposed to be campaigning only for Democrats but we got one Republican and he asked us a version of this question. It was late afternoon, we were exhausted, and I couldn’t be faffed to puzzle it out for that asshole. Evidently that was a sign Dems would be bad for the economy or something. Anyway, Obama took the state so sucks to be him.

  77. 77.

    dmsilev

    Tomorrow is a big day. Inbox liberation day. No, the requests for money won’t stop, but they’ll drop way down. I gave, and continue to give, a lot, but getting literally hundreds of begs a day gets really annoying.

  79. 79.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    More so than 2020. More so than 2016. Trump is worse even than he was in those

    I do wonder time time how someone can look at Trump, see the plainly obvious brain rot setting in, and say “That babbling lunatic, the one the cosplays as a cheap inflatable sex toy; that’s the guy I want with his hands on The Button!”, and then I remember, I have relatives like this, and they are just idiots and think voting for Trump makes them super clever.

  81. 81.

    mrmoshpotato

    Took 4 hours on the north side of Chicago to punch the GrOPers in the scrot with my vote.  But I VOTED! – for all of those shitstains to lose.

    And, no, NFL players, we aren’t one country.  Some of us believe in democracy and inclusion, and Trump trash are racist, sexist, fascist shitstains.

  82. 82.

    Jinchi

    Final prediction:

    • Harris defeats Trump by 6-8 %
    • Democrats keep the Senate
    • Democrats retake the House
    • Victories on abortion rights referenda across the country
    • In his final act of bipartisanship, Joe Manchin decides to join with Republicans to shut down the government over Christmas.

    …. Stretch goals

    • Trump gets sentenced on Friday and vanishes forever from the public eye.
    • Putin declares victory and leaves Ukraine.
  83. 83.

    Chet Murthy

    @Kristine: Yes, some of their varieties are jarred in olive oil.  That’s what I get.  I save the olive oil and use it in cooking.  It’s great stuff, more like tuna steak in a jar.  It’s a little pricey, but I eat, like, one jar a month, so I don’t sweat the price.

  84. 84.

    Sister Golden Bear

    This is just to say

    I have taken
    the Xanax
    that was on
    the counter

    and which
    you were probably
    saving
    for Election Night

    Forgive me
    I’m losing my shit
    so stressed
    and so exhausted

  88. 88.

    Redshift

    @SpaceUnit:

    My biggest worry about a month ago was that there would be some sort of bullshit Russian sourced October surprise. And I figured the MSM would jump all over it, however lame and sketchy it was, because of course they would. But nope. I guess Putin doesn’t have the time or resources.

    There were two fake videos, I think, that the FBI says were done by the Russians. One was of Haitians supposedly voting illegally, and the other was something about Tim Walz that I couldn’t be bothered to look up the details about. Neither fooled anyone but wingnuts.

  93. 93.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Kristine:

    Hey, you’ll avoid tomorrow’s promised rain! 

    We were all inside a local park district gym, but I can always dig watching a thunderstorm. ⛈️

  94. 94.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @SpaceUnit: The trump campaign has been the worst I’ve seen in a lifetime while the Harris campaign is probably the best.

    The absolute incompetence of the Trump’s campaign as been a big comfort to me, the way I figure it, if Donny Dumbass does win , his administration will be such a never ending plastic spork fight that nothing will get done.

  97. 97.

    MobiusKlein

    @Other MJS: People don’t believe it because they don’t trust the premise.    That somebody would offer them the choice to switch the pick honestly.

  98. 98.

    mrmoshpotato

    @eclare: The place was packed.  Snake of people winding through the gym with 15 or so voting machines.

    Happy for the touchscreen voting with the 50+ races on the ballot (lots of judges).

  100. 100.

    Trivia Man

    @Math Guy: that is a fun one. I explain it to people by asking how much $ each individual has. 1+1+1+2+25 = 30. The question misdirects by saying how much the guests PAY and how much the bellhop HAS.

    I wnjoyed very much a siomilar story our debate coach gave us to watch who could explain and persuade. As I recall the story (And I am telling it!) I started out as the only one with the right answer and by class end I had convinced several dozen I was right. A few hld outs just wouldn’t budge.

    Kelly knows their child loves horses. So they buy the kid a horse for $100. Kid loves it… but gets scared and won’t go on it. Kelly sells the horse for $120. Kid cries so much, Kelly buys it back for $130. Kid falls off and breaks an arm. Kelly has had enough so sells the horse for $140.

    Did Kelly make money or lose money overall?

  101. 101.

    sab

    I have some canned sardines in the pantry. I think I’ll eat them tomorrow. On toast.

    And Solomon the basement cat is due for some tuna.

  103. 103.

    3Sice

    Musk had to cancel a digital townhall on account of “technical issues”.

    Founding member, the Guild of Calamitous Intent.

  104. 104.

    CaseyL

    I am diabetic, so I need to avoid sweets and starches.

    But tomorrow, regardless of outcome, I may order in a pizza. Pizza remains my kryptonite; the one food-I-shouldn’t-have that I can’t resist. I can NOT eat just one slice unless I order just one slice. Which you can’t, for delivery.

    A friend of mine is babysitting her niece tomorrow. She will not turn on the TV until the niece goes home in the evening.

    Tonight I am reading a new collection of space opera short stories. So far it’s quite good.

  105. 105.

    Trivia Man

    @Eolirin: it distracts by adding up how much the guests PAID to how much the bellhop KEPT.

    How much does everyone have in their pocket at the beginning? 10+10+10+0+0 = 30 (g,g,g,bh,owner)

    At the end? 1+1+1+2+25=30 (g,g,g,bh,owner)

  107. 107.

    Gvg

    @Chet Murthy: I think finding the apartment should be first, then couch/mattress. Save moving what you want to get rid of and sometimes door sizes and entranceway curves and angles severely limit the size couch you can get in the house. Even mattresses can be a problem. I like nice soft memory foam and they flop so much they are difficult to maneuver. I should probably pay someone next time. Pick out the mattress and couch but maybe don’t buy till you have possession of the apartment?

  109. 109.

    JoyceH

    I love anchovies, have them on crackers. I cut them into tiny bits – one small can of anchovies flavor a lot of crackers!

    But tonight I’m having deli stuff from the grocery store. I’d already decided to Grubhub for Thai tomorrow, but I intended to be “sensible” tonight. But on the way home from physical therapy, I decided “it’s Election Eve, there are no rules!” And that’s how I’m living it.

    On an earlier thread someone mentioned both Dr Phil and Dr Oz going MAGA and I had the craziest thought- Dr Rick goes MAGA. (You know Dr Rick? He’s the guy who helps young homeowners who are turning into their parents.) Wouldn’t that be a hoot? In a horrifying way of course.

  110. 110.

    eclare

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Ahhh…yes, that many races will cause a massive slowdown.  Luckily our muni elections where all the judges are up are in August, for some reason.  Tomorrow I expect four races to be on my ballot.

  111. 111.

    Melancholy Jaques

    I think we got this. I hope.

    There is a widespread consensus that if we don’t have this, then the white people in this country are even more fucked up than we thought.

    Okay, that’s a lie, that’s just what I think. I have no idea if there is any consensus.

  112. 112.

    Eric S.

    @Kristine: Dropped Dad’s and my ballots at the ward early voting sight 2 Fridays ago. I’ve got a busy enough work day to keep me distracted tomorrow and I’m seriously leaning towards binging TV (The Penguin) tomorrow evening. Barring truly unexpected results one way or the other we won’t know much until Wednesday. And I can’t change it at 5pm tomorrow anyway.

  113. 113.

    KrackenJack

    @sab: ​
     Used to be a store named Norka in Ohio that made futons and frames. Slept on one of those for a number of years. (Norka is Akron spelled backwards.)

  115. 115.

    sab

    We already voted, so what to do tomorrow? Feed cats. Clean litter boxes. Bake brownies. Bake cheesecake ( potted meyer lemons are ripe.) Blow leaves away. Pay bills. Walk dog. Feed dog.

    I love being retired.

  116. 116.

    NotMax

    The Italian canned tuna sold at Costco is darn good. Only thing is saltiness can vary greatly between cans so I’ve learned to dump the contents into a strainer and rinse.

  119. 119.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @Sister Golden Bear: so much anxiety. It’s hard waiting for the end, for relief; it’s hard to go through.

    Later, most people will remember it, and have the deeper knowing of how ptsd plays out, daily for folks w ptsd, cptsd, or generational ptsd. Some people literally go through this much on edge brittle about to break down anxiety really a lot, or often, and sometimes unpredictably. It’s a big cohort of people with those different kinds of ptsd.
    it will lessen with the election, as a finalist is known.
    maybe it won’t go away for most of the electorate, as we find ourselves more attentive and involved than ever, after this close call. ( please, kamala wins)

  125. 125.

    sab

    @KrackenJack: They aren’t around anymore. I bought a futon from them, but futons are no longer in fashion. I loved my futon but my new husband hated it. He has a bad back so he is picky and apparently it didn’t work for him.

    We still have Norka pop.

    My RWNJ brother in California used to be Norka West on twitter, until he realized that the whole world including me could read his comments.

    ETA He was never an asshole. He just hadn’t been aware that we share similar interests so I had been reading his comments on blogs and figured out who he was.

  126. 126.

    BigJimSlade

    @Chet Murthy: I just eat them right out of the can, over the sink, as the first part of lunch, once a week. I usually get the mediterranean style, or in olive oil. In water is just too plain and, well, watery.

  129. 129.

    Eric S.

    @CaseyL: Tonight I am reading a new collection of space opera short stories.

     

    What collection? I’m looking for an easy-ish read next.

  130. 130.

    KrackenJack

    @MobiusKlein: Split the batter in parts. Add the contentious ingredient (pot, walnuts, kippers) to one. Put an aluminum foil divider into the pan and Bob’s-Your-Second-Cousin-Twice-Removed!

  135. 135.

    BigJimSlade

    @Jay: 👍 I’ve done that kind of thing (crackers and some goat cheese is another route), also with smoked salmon or mackerel.

  136. 136.

    mrmoshpotato

    All this canned fish talk is making me jones for some of Aldi’s anchovies!  But they’ve been closed for over 30 minutes!

  137. 137.

    Eolirin

    @Trivia Man: I get that part. I’m just trying to work out why they aren’t equivalent. I know they’re not, but I’m struggling to work out why they’re not. Intuitively, they feel like they should be, which is why the whole thing works in the first place.

    I think Bemused Senior’s post @45 is the actual answer to my question, but I’m being a little thick and not quite following.

  138. 138.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @CaseyL: what about high protein pasta, like a lentil pasta, and cheese on it, meatballs, stuff w protein, so you don’t run the numbers up too high? Top w sautéed veggies you’d want on your pizza…

    jus5 a thought. If it’s the texture and hand-eating part of pizza, then this idea is totally useless.

  141. 141.

    karen marie

    @eclare:   Let me put in a recommendation for Genova.  It’s so good you can eat it straight from the can.  For the longest time I didn’t like tuna salad.  Then I discovered it’s tuna packed in water that I don’t like.  After testing a bunch of different tunas in oil, for me Genova is the tastiest.

  143. 143.

    Trivia Man

    @Jess: Paid out: 100+130, took in: 120+140

    -230 and + 260 for plus $30. As I recall, the most common argument was “They paid $100 for the horse at the beginning! That means they are out AT LEAST $100!”

    It was a fun exercise to use logic and process each step. Fun for me, I like that stuff.

  148. 148.

    Ramalama

    All this fish talk is making me lie back on my offensive couch, Mars bar in hand.

    The candy translation: Mars bars in Canada = Milky Way in the US…except that the Canadian Milky Ways still use the original ingredients? Just guessing. I haven’t inspected the wrappers to compare. It just tastes much better than Milky Ways and America has earned my scorn wrt candy.

  151. 151.

    Jackie

    Other than uplifting threads, I plan to lurk for my sanity. Ignoring any threads with negativity.

  152. 152.

    NotMax

    If ya can find ’em, the olives stuffed with anchovies (best ones say Product of Spain on the label) are wickedly addictive. Chill the entire can or jar in the fridge for several hours before snacking on them. Zero fishy taste.

  155. 155.

    karen marie

    @Miki:   Oh, yay – another fan of my favorite tuna!

    When I’m in that aisle at the grocery store, if I see someone looking anywhere near the canned tuna, I insist they try it.  Hahaha.  I should get a commission for the number of cans I’ve convinced people to buy.

  156. 156.

    Kent

    Was talking to my 18 year old social justice warrior daughter today (the one who got her ballot burned) about the election and how over half her extended family are rural MAGA.

    And what I came to realize  is that at age 60 I’ve reached my limit.

    I could agree to disagree and still respect people for voting for Reagan.  For voting for Dole.  For voting for either Bush or McCain or Romney.

    But at this point in 2024, knowing everything we know about this vile person.   If you still think that Trump is the best person to lead the country into the future then I have zero use for you anymore.   Period.  I’m done

    And the fact that we are still having this discussion as nation is just an unbelievable indictment.   My wife who is Chilean is on group chats with all her friends from school back in Santiago.  And they are just in complete disbelief that the election is even close.  And these are mostly wealthy conservative women who would vote conservative in Chile.

  157. 157.

    Trivia Man

    @Jess:

    As someone pointed out, comment #45 has the simpler answer.

    3 x -9 = -(25+2)

    The guests are out $27 (9*3) and it went to the BH and desk man (2+25).

    the $2 is a positive number (cash in hand) so it doesn’t get added to the -$ spent (cash out of pocket), it gets added to the +$ in the till.

  160. 160.

    sab

    In the process of acquring the cats from satby manyakitty steered us to an old well established Indian restaurant within walking distance of my old house. Excellent food.  25 years I lived near there and never went there. What was I thinking?

  161. 161.

    Salty Sam

    @sab: Kippers with english muffins and marmalade.

    Learned from an old sea captain- best breakfast for offshore sailing:  Kippers mashed into well cooked grits with plenty o’ butter, salt and pepper to taste.

    He was not wrong!

  171. 171.

    RevRick

    @JohnCole So, you’re leaving WVA on Thursday. There’s a certain irony to that, because that state, like the rest of them in the Appalachian-Ozark arc, has been leaving the rest of us since God knows when. It seems to me that the one animating belief of that region can be summed up: “Agin it.” Whatever it is, they’re agin it.
    Perhaps part of that stems from the claimed place of origin: Highland Scotland, which had a history of resistance and belligerence and a touchiness about honor. They took pride in being “agin it.”
    When I moved in 1975 to serve a church in Western PA, which is definitely Appalachia, I felt like I had stepped into a time warp. It was a working class congregation, and, by and large, they were “agin it.” Even after I established what would become one of the largest food pantries in the county, I heard complaints about the overwhelmingly white recipients as lazy or shiftless or not really deserving. Even though this pantry gained that church a lot of respect in the community, a substantial number were “agin it.”
    Appalachia has a lot in common with communities in the southern Black Belt, often economically and culturally left behind. But instead of aligning with the Black Belt, they have aligned with their oppressors. They see themselves as “real Americans” who have been left behind by sinister forces of the modern world, and they are “agin it.”
    The fact that the geography of Appalachia stacks the economic chips against them, because their pride of place and fierce independence won’t let them see it. Leaving Appalachia behind feels like a betrayal. So, they see the world moving swiftly away, and they are “agin it.”
    It would be easy to dismiss them, except that the most Appalachian state is Pennsylvania. The reason the Commonwealth is a swing state with outsized influence is the two thirds that lie within Appalachia, which is captured by a conservative worldview of being “agin it.”

  172. 172.

    scav

    And, if we’re going into minutia, how much was spent on horse room and board.Any vet visits?  Acquisition and disposal of tack will be presumed to be a separate account.

  178. 178.

    KatKapCC

    @Jinchi:

    • Putin declares victory and leaves Ukraine.

    Much as I wish this, Putin will not even leave Ukraine after he croaks, because whomever follows in his wake will undoubtedly continue his murderous bullshit.

  181. 181.

    sab

    @Salty Sam: Kippers in grits. I never even thought of that.

    I grew up in Florida but Mom was from Ohio and her people were Canadian, so grits were only at other peoples’ houses. I love grits.

  185. 185.

    Trivia Man

    @Jess: I learned a fun finger counting trick as a kid and some adults NEVER figured it out despite me showing it dozens of times. In the silly spirit of this thread (and because I have ZERO interest in kippers or sardines!) I will try to describe it without showing you my fingers.

    Point to one finger at a time and say: “one, two, skip these three, four, five, six, seven, eight… and 9, 10, 11.”

    Point to thumb, index, the three you are skipping, then the other hand one finger at a time, then back to the three you skipped one at a time.

    “I have 11 fingers!”

  187. 187.

    danielx

    Voting tomorrow since we didn’t get it together to vote early. BUT with two hour lines in the offing, going to take folding chairs.

  188. 188.

    scav

    @Trivia Man: I’ll accept your preferred alternatives of  “Hang Loose” or “I love you” as numbers only if they’re sung and possibly danced. :)

  191. 191.

    Citizen Alan

    @Trivia Man: an easier way to explain it, IMO,  is that when the innkeeper gave the five dollar refund, the the price of the room dropped from thirty dollars down to twenty five dollars. After receiving their one dollar refund, each of the three men actually paid nine dollars for a total of twenty seven, of which twenty five dollars went to the hotel and two dollars were stolen by the bellhop.

  194. 194.

    danielx

    @scav: ​
    Saying I’ve heard: Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, 400 miles of Alabama between.
    ETA: sorry, was addressing RevRick.

  196. 196.

    Comrade Scrutinizer

    @Eric S.:  Don’t know what @CaseyL had in mind, but have you tried any of the Sector General stories by James White? Huge multi-species medical series, started in the very early sixties. The early stories are full of the casual sexism of the times, but that excepted, they are well constructed, and a pleasant read.  His later short stories and novels are more acceptable to modern tastes.

    It’s not space opera, but still a nice diversion.

  202. 202.

    ssdd

    @Kristine: German, but her mom’s name was Ina, which I am given to understand was more common to the East and Baltics, so we are in the same ballpark.

  205. 205.

    Trivia Man

    @Eolirin: shhh! don’t tell my uncle

    Super fun to teach kids cause then they can fool adults. Takes practice to get smooth!

    Bonus version to DOUBLE PROVE you have 11

    Start on one hand “ten, nine, eight, seven, six” go to the second hand and say  “and five is 11”

  215. 215.

    Kristine

    @ssdd: I only asked because I associate that saying with Slavic fatalism. I may be misinterpreting, but to me it’s the utter certainty that Something Bad Will Happen if you don’t worry about every possible bad thing that could happen.

    My mom was aces at that, bless her emmory.

  218. 218.

    lgerard

    Oddly, just watched the Fawlty Towers episode “The Kipper and the Corpse”

    DJT for the (figurative) corpse!

  219. 219.

    Noskilz

    Safe travels!

    I’m feeling pretty optimistic about tomorrow, really.

    I’m sure there will be some weirdness, some obnoxiousness, and probably the odd idiot doing something really stupid, but I suspect things will turn out basically OK.

    Not that I expect we will necessarily have the results finalized by end of election day, but most people are probably already expecting as much.

  221. 221.

    H.E.Wolf

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: ​Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tenser, said the Tensor.
    Tension, apprehension,
    And dissension have begun

     !!!!
    Do you know Randall Garrett’s verse review of that novel?

    It’s got an absolutely wacky metre scheme:
    “In the Far & distant future – you can pick the d8 2 suit your-
    Self, the author, Mr. Bester, doesn’t specify the year – ”

    And it ends with a coda [BIG SPOILER]:

    “There’s a part of the plot I completely forgot;
    I’ll insert it down here, if you like.
    Craye D’Courtney & Barbara, respectively, are
    The (ter of Reich.”

    😎

  222. 222.

    kwAwk

    Right wingers who are having a conniption fit about women lying to their husbands about who they vote for are going to have an absolute stroke if somebody tells the about women faking orgasms.

  223. 223.

    Trivia Man

    @Eolirin: i don’t math above a trivia level, I am wicked at arithmetic! No idea if “f” is a digit. Let us stipulate “we agree ‘9’ represents the highest single ‘digit’ in whatever base we are working in”

    Shocking how enormous that number is: 9^(9^9) is so much bigger than measly 9^99.

  224. 224.

    Chet Murthy

    @Math Guy: Uh, no, “^” is not associative.  So 9^(9^9) != (9^9)^9.  Though,  now that I come to think of it, at least in some computer languages “^” is right-associative, so 9^9^9 = 9^(9^9) in those languages.

  229. 229.

    divF

    @lowtechcyclist: Just for the record, before looking past your post:
    (1) Zorn’s lemon

    (2) Abelian grape

    Now I’ll go back and see how many more math geeks are on the channel tonight.

  231. 231.

    Trivia Man

    Sunday Evening Cool: Favorite trivia questions

    (Spoiler: I am hosting a work event in december, if I see any good ones I will file off the serial numbers and steal them for my event)

  233. 233.

    frosty

    @CaseyL: Cauliflower crust pizza. It’s my first choice now; tastes just like thin crust. Bonus: it doesn’t have the same load of carbs as a regular pizza.

  234. 234.

    KrackenJack

    @MobiusKlein:C’est la vie. Marble your brownies with some cream cheese mixed with an egg, a 1/4 cup of flour and 1/2 cup sugar. Some vanilla if you like. Revenge is best served warm from the oven…

  235. 235.

    barbequebob

    @Math Guy:

    30 minus five is 25, split 3 ways equals 8 1/3 each

    once each got a dollar back they had each paid 9 1/3, not 9

    There was no missing dollar, just bad accounting

  237. 237.

    divF

    @Mr. Bemused Senior: I’ll see your doggerel and raise you a Stanislaw Lem:
    A Poem of Love and Tensor algebra.

    Come, let us hasten to a higher plane,
    Where dyads tread the fairy fields of Venn,
    Their indices bedecked from one to n,
    Commingled in an endless Markov chain!

    Come, every frustum longs to be a cone,
    And every vector dreams of matrices.
    Hark to the gentle gradient of the breeze:
    It whispers of a more ergodic zone.

    In Riemann, Hilbert or in Banach space
    Let superscripts and subscripts go their ways.
    Our asymptotes no longer out of phase,
    We shall encounter, counting, face to face.

    I’ll grant thee random access to my heart,
    Thou’lt tell me all the constants of thy love;
    And so we two shall all love’s lemmas prove,
    And in our bound partition never part.

    For what did Cauchy know, or Christoffel,
    Or Fourier, or any Boole or Euler,
    Wielding their compasses, their pens and rulers,
    Of thy supernal sinusoidal spell?

    Cancel me not―for what then shall remain?
    Abscissas some mantissas, modules, modes,
    A root or two, a torus and a node:
    The inverse of my verse, a null domain.

    Ellipse of bliss, converge, O lips divine!
    The product of our scalars is defined!
    Cyberiad draws nigh, and the skew mind
    Cuts capers like a happy haversine.

    I see the eigenvalue in thine eye,
    I hear the tender tensor in thy sigh.
    Bernoulli would have been content to die,
    Had he but known such a 2cos 2Φ!

  239. 239.

    sab

    @frosty: Really? Our sensible foods grocery has it and husband needs it. I might sneak it in, because making pizza dough is a pain.

    I went to Whole Foods for the second time in my life and it freaked me out. (My marital family thinks I am on the autism spectrum.) Narrow aisles, obnoxiously loud music. Mostly junk or easy prep food. Meant to be fun but I found it to be horrifying. Thank god they didn’t have the one item I was looking for. I will never go back. What a zoo.

  241. 241.

    Kent

    @danielx:@scav: ​
    Saying I’ve heard: Philadelphia at one end, Pittsburgh at the other, 400 miles of Alabama between.

    My people are from there.  The dead center of the state.

    It’s really more like West Virginia or eastern Kentucky.  Lots of Appalachian mountain folk, former coal mining towns, etc.

    Geographically speaking Pittsburgh is the biggest city in Appalachia.

  242. 242.

    ssdd

    @Kristine: oh yes that sounds familiar! Mom’s purse contained her pocketbook, cigarettes and lighter, a stock of first  aid supplies that would make a WW2 medic blush and the basket of crackers from the last restaurant we were at that she’d dumped in before we left. If there was an invasion we were golden.

  244. 244.

    sab

    @Kent: My family is from very western PA. More like WVA than Alabama. Dairy farmers. The wild girl  (grandpa’s sister) ran away by joining a Presbyterian mission to southern Sudan. She spent twenty years there and loved it. Only came home when Nazis moved into Africa. Spent the rest of her career teaching in Pittsburgh schools.

  245. 245.

    Mai Naem mobile

    @frosty: Trader Joe’s carried a really good cauliflower pizza crust but ofcourse they stopped carrying it. It used to be in the perishable area of the store not with the frozen food.

  246. 246.

    Kent

    @sab:@Kent: My family is from very western PA. More like WVA than Alabama. Dairy farmers. The wild girl  (grandpa’s sister) ran away by joining a Presbyterian mission to southern Sudan. She spent twenty years there and loved it. Only came home when Nazis moved into Africa. Spent the rest of her career teaching in Pittsburgh schools.

    My family are dairy farmers from Mifflin County which is the next valley south of State College and the heart of Amish country.  The family farm where my mother grew up has been in the family (now run by the son of my cousin) since before the Civil War.  Those who aren’t dairy farmers do things like own roofing businesses or trucking businesses.   The actual small town where my kin are from went 90-10 for Trump in 2020.

    They love them some Trump.  When I’m not getting farm life memes or deer hunting memes on Facebook it is either evangelical anti-abortion shit or Trump propaganda.

    The kids who get college educated all get out and mostly settle in suburban Philly with normal professional jobs.  The kids who don’t get college educated stay and grow increasingly bitter in crappy low paying rural blue collar jobs.

  247. 247.

    Melancholy Jaques

    I’ve seen this elsewhere but not here.

    Dress warmly tomorrow The forecast is for -45.

  248. 248.

    sab

    @Kent: We were Lawrence County, almost Youngstown Ohio.   Grandpa went to Newcastle High School and played football at Penn State

    ETA Family joke was that my mother could never drive straight to Youngstown. She always had to go to Newcastle and then backtrack.

  249. 249.

    Wave Function Collapse

    @Eolirin:

    So how many fingers do you have to chop off to be able to count up to f?   :-)

    All these silly powers of 9. instead of 9^99 or all of the other submissions above, may I humbly suggest 999! as an alternative?

  250. 250.

    Nettoyeur

    Joe Rogan’s 3 hour interview with a rambling , weaving , dodging Trump (who reportedly did not take any pee breaks, guess he peed in his diaper) resulted in a Rogan endorsement. I wonder how much Rogan was paid.

  254. 254.

    sab

    @Kent: Weren’t your family Mennonites? Lawrence County were more Amish.

    ETA But my family was Scots Irish. They knew there were Amish around but they didn’t go to school together or ever actually meet.

  258. 258.

    Mai Naem mobile

    Dixville Notch voted. 3 a piece to TFG and Harris. Jeebus. What is wrong with these people?

  260. 260.

    Tony G

    @Eolirin: That’s right.  During my “career” in mainframe software support I looked at many storage dumps of hexadecimal numbers.  0 through 9 then A, B, C, D, E and F.

  262. 262.

    Jay

    @Nettoyeur:

    Nope, wrap a cheap fresh fish in damp rice paper, takes about 72 hours for the corrupt rotting fish to burst through the rice paper, like a time bomb.

  263. 263.

    RevRick

    David Plouffe of the Harris campaign was asked, “can you win all seven swing states?” He answered “yes.”

    In 2020, there were 155 million votes cast. 79 million have early voted, and indications say they have broken 58-42ish for Harris. Meanwhile, Election Day forecasts have Trump that vote by 53-47ish. Do the math. He still loses even if 90 million turn out.

  265. 265.

    Chet Murthy

    @Trivia Man: Oh,nicely done. Except that you can continue adding factorials….. so I guess the problem is ill-posed: it should have specified a character limit too.

  266. 266.

    sab

    I just realized Echo the cat is sleeping on a pillow next to me and Ponyo the pitbull has no idea cat is there.

    Ponyo likes cats, but  not cats that are afraid of her. Smack her in the face with your claws out and she will respect you. Run from her and she will think you are a wimp. That is Echo and Solly’s problem. They are new to dogs. Solly is huge. He shouldn’t be afraid of dogs.

  271. 271.

    J. Arthur Crank

    @Wave Function Collapse: 999! (nine hundred ninety nine factorial) is actually less than 9^(9^9). Using Wolfram, 9^(9^9) is on the order of 4.2 × 10^369693099. 999! is on the order of 4.0 × 10^2564.

    If we are allowed to use 2 operators, a set of parentheses, and our three (base 10) digits, then (999!)! is probably the largest you can get.

  273. 273.

    wjca

    @H.E.Wolf: Do you know Randall Garrett’s verse review of that novel?

    Randall was a brilliant guy.  And a great writer.  Too bad he was such an utter scumbag in person.

  278. 278.

    J. Arthur Crank

    @Chet Murthy:

     

    Except that you can continue adding factorials….. so I guess the problem is ill-posed: it should have specified a character limit too.

    Yes indeed. A few more factorials and you break Wolfram, Sterling’s approximation, and probably the fabric of spacetime.

  281. 281.

    Salty Sam

    @sab: But I eat them like Scots eat oatmeal. No molasses. Butter only

    Dear gods, a bowl of well cooked grits, judiciously salted and peppered to taste, slathered with butter?… Nothing better.

    But kippers in there are great!

  283. 283.

    Salty Sam

    @NotMax: Cheesy grits (parmesan or, in a pinch, gruyere) are da bomb.

    You are correct, sir.  Although I am partial to a well aged cheddar myself.

    ETA- especially with roasted garlic!

  288. 288.

    Jay

    @Salty Sam:

    Fish and brewis,

    Oatmeal, cod cheeks, bacon, lard.

    That will cement your stomach for the waves.

    Better yet, sleep on the boat the night before heading out.

  289. 289.

    Melancholy Jaques

    @Nettoyeur:

    I don’t think he needed to be paid. He is pandering to his audience. They expect loyalty and they are not a forgiving bunch.

  291. 291.

    Randal Sexton

    @Eolirin: If we get to use 3 numbers, but any number of other characters then what about stuff like:

    (9)!^((9!)^9!)) or some crap like that.

    I mean this is silly – fyi the ! character means factorial.

  292. 292.

    Randal Sexton

    @Tony G: deadbeef is what we used to preload memory with to chase bugs :)

    ( a hex number). Also B and a 0 anda  0 and a B was used before we got a bit more enlightened.

  295. 295.

    GunagDean

    I am a long time lurker and have posted 1/2 a dozen times.  I have appreciated your commentary and journey as I, also, pulled away from Andrew Sullivan junk conservatism.  As we go into this last day, last chance to save democracy, I stand here in appreciation of the message shared here.  You and all of your contributors, commentators, members, and  lurkers have pulled me, as well as a good chunk of America, thru some dark times, and hopefully towards tomorrows promise.

     

    I am GungaDean

  296. 296.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    Dump is an hour and thirty five minutes into a rambling, very low energy closing rally, mangling words, at 1:45 AM in Grand Rapids.

  298. 298.

    Salty Sam

    @Jay: Fish and brewis

    I’d be guessin’ that that was what me’ old skipper was goin’ for with his “Kippers ‘n’ Grits breakfast.
    As for stayin’ a night aboard before departure, well, ya could just as well pass up your portion o’ grog!

    ETA- Your Fish and Brewis sounds right tasty!

  299. 299.

    Splitting Image

    @David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch:

    Dump is an hour and thirty five minutes into a rambling, very low energy closing rally, mangling words, at 1:45 AM in Grand Rapids.

    Someone ought to kick him in the nuts so he can honestly say he ended the campaign on a high note.

  303. 303.

    Jay

    Fish and Brewis is a Newfie staple.

    Sleeping on board the night before gets the body used to the boat’s movement.

    When I owned a sailboat, T always had horrible seasickness.  Tried the ginger, the wrist patches, the ear patches.

    Then, a long weekend trip across the Salish Sea, winds were all wrong, we only made it to Shelter Cove the first day and tied up to a log boom. The next day, she was fine and for the rest of the trip.

  307. 307.

    David 🐝KHive🐝 Koch

    2 hour and 5 minutes in and he’s now gyrating on stage to The Village People at 2:10 AM.

     

    The people in the arena are gonna be too tired to vote tomorrow.

  309. 309.

    Salty Sam

    @Jay: understood the Newfie ref.  I really do think the Kippers’n’Grits that my old skipper loved was probably a “make do” version.

    My first wife could not handle a seaway.  I have a favorite picture sequence of us sailing out of the harbor: first pic, I’m at the wheel, we’re both smiling.  Second pic, taken a few minutes later, I’m still at the wheel smiling, she’s over the port rail, feeding the fish.  Bless her heart.

  312. 312.

    TBone

    @sab: 😁 he’s such a mensch also too!  I’m glad they’re both here to see this with us.  I love that Dick reached back into his past to help bring us into our future.

  313. 313.

    Jay

    @sab:

    Here, it is more about stores carrying the products. A big driver of what they carry is customer demand.

    Locally, we have Spot Prawns, there is even a festival, but sadly, they are a little bland.

    Do a google search in your area.

  315. 315.

    Salty Sam

    @sab: @Jay:   I feel very fortunate to be able to get wild caught Gulf shrimp most of the year.  I haven’t noticed any effect from BP.

    Jay, are the Argentinian shrimp you get really wild caught?  I was under the impression that most imported shrimp were farm raised.

    ETA- seen your explanation at 312

  317. 317.

    Jay

    @Salty Sam:

    Ocean Wise Certified.

    Years ago, we made a trip to South Padre Island, the bridge was out, so nobody was there. The local prawns and snapper were amazing, all caught that day.

  319. 319.

    Salty Sam

    @Jay: o yeh!  In my neck of the woods (Port Aransas, Tx), we have a “retired” shrimper (he doesn’t bother with commercial work anymore) who sells right off the boat.  I’ve bought shrimp from him early in the morning that were still twitching.

  320. 320.

    Bruce K in ATH-GR

    glrble.

    It’s quarter of 10 in the morning here, just another working day in the termite-chewed cradle of civilization. October ended with a national holiday celebrating the day the Greeks told the Fascists to go to hell, and late November will see a commemoration of the day the students at the Athens Polytechnic told the ruling military junta to go to hell.

    Neither ended well in the short term (Mussolini called Hitler for help, and that crushed the Greeks; the junta sent in tanks to break up the Polytechnic protests), but ultimately the resistance prevailed, what with Mussolini strung up from a lamp post by his heels, Hitler experiencing a mouth full of cyanide and a bullet in the brain, and the leaders of the Colonels’ coup dying in prison after being convicted of treason.

  321. 321.

    Salty Sam

    @Jay: The “effect” is all the dispersant chemicals BP dumped in the water, all of which are nasty and enduring

    Understood, and really, I’m not picking an argument here, but I was just pondering this today while I was caught in traffic, breathing the diesel fumes from the trucks delivering fresh seafood.

    I truly wish there was a better way.

  322. 322.

    Jay

    @Salty Sam:

    Well, it’s not the Deplorean, just the residual salt from the shrimp on that 304 stainless will cause a mess in no time.

    In BC’s south east, we have some amazing trout fishing streams. Redside cutts, Bull Trout, Whitefish. Up to 6lbs for a Redside Cutt on a dry fly. Up to 40lb Bull Trout on a Redside Cutt fly. 4 lb Whitefish on an Adam’s nymph.

    All catch and release.

    Not to preserve the fishery, but because the decades of mining waste and the Teck Lead/Zinc Smelter had made the fish toxic.

  323. 323.

    Yutsano

    @Jay: ​I’ve had so of those before. Absolutely delicious and not too expensive. They have a nice bouncy texture too.

  324. 324.

    a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)

    @eclare: I had President, US Senator, US Congress, state house & senate, and a ballot initiative (transit funding).

  325. 325.

    JoyceH

    @NotMax: actually if we could extrapolate from such a small sample size, Dixville Notch is a terrible portent for Trump. Because? Well, in the primary, DN cast all six votes for Haley. If Trump can only get back half of the Haley vote, he’s got a stompin’ coming!

  326. 326.

    mrmoshpotato

    @JoyceH: Punch the GOP in the scrot with your vote!

    Tomorrow is a Netflix day.  Can’t watch the pundits jerk off all day.

  327. 327.

    Maxim

    I should be asleep, but my body mostly mocks that notion. I have a regular day at work to keep me distracted, not that I won’t be keeping an eye on things as best I can.

    @JoyceH: I like the way you think.

  328. 328.

    Gloria DryGarden

    @a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio): in Denver we had 24 ballot issues, 5 candidates, and 10-20 judges to retain or not. I usually skip the judges, but research the issues, reading the pro and Con literature, calling people I know to discuss. It takes time. It’s a lot to think about.

    Lost my comment, redoing it

    Joyce, I’ll try this anchovy on crackers you recommended . It sounds strong.

    TBone, I love this Dick Van dyck video. He’s so kind and caring, it really comes through.

  329. 329.

    Central Planning

    @Randal Sexton: I think this started as the largest number you could make with 3 digits. Since !, (, and ) are not digits, none of those are usable.

    I think that means 9^9^9 is the largest number that can be created with 3 digits (only using carats because I can’t do superscripts with FYWP)

  331. 331.

    Shalimar

    @sab: 95% of the shrimp sold in US grocery stores is farm-raised in China.  You’re only getting Gulf shrimp near the coast where it is sold fresh in restaurants.

  332. 332.

    Anne Laurie

    @Kristine: Julia Ioffe, who emigrated from Russia as a child, calls her blog “Tomorrow Will Be Worse” because that’s what her mother always told her last thing before bed.

  333. 333.

    Anne Laurie

    @Mai Naem mobile: Dixville Notch voted. 3 a piece to TFG and Harris. Jeebus. What is wrong with these people?

    They live in New Hampshire, on purpose, and they love attention.  What more explanation would you need? — Signed, a Masshole (by choice!)

  334. 334.

    Chris Johnson

    @JoyceH: Oh, wow. So that’s a 50% move from Republican (Haley) to Democrat (Harris).

    Wonder how many other places will have half the Republican vote switch?

  339. 339.

    Barry

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage: “Trader Joe’s carried some for a while that were to die for but like always, they stopped offering them…one of the many infuriating things about that store outside of the obvious parking issue.”

     

    Are you in Ann Arbor?

  341. 341.

    Barry

    @kwAwk: “Right wingers who are having a conniption fit about women lying to their husbands about who they vote for are going to have an absolute stroke if somebody tells the about women faking orgasms.”

    They won’t believe it; both that they don’t please their women, and/or female orgasms.

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