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Monday Night Open Thread

by John Cole|  January 20, 20258:17 pm| 108 Comments

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Monday Night Open Thread 19

This is Jack, aka the farting bandit. Last night, as I was going to bed, he came in, came over, made me scratch his ears, then turned around, passed gas, and left the room. Other than that, he is a very, very good boy, and he loves car rides and dinner and never once has given a nazi salute.

Trump has already done a number of unconscionable things. I intend to discuss none of them. It’s not going away, and there is no point spiraling on day one.

Off to watch some fantasy tv- the West Wing.

And I really can not say this enough, this is the first inning and we have not even been up to bat. Nothing is served if you spiral or self-harm or burn out. We need healthy soldiers, so take care of yourself.

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  1. 1.

    Elizabelle

    January 20, 2025 at 8:19 pm

    Jack has more honor and executive skills.  And more handsome too.

    Have a good evening, jackals.

  2. 2.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    January 20, 2025 at 8:21 pm

    Counting down the days… 1,461…

  3. 3.

    mali muso

    January 20, 2025 at 8:25 pm

    Hugged my kid goodnight and am going to have to ignore as much of the external world as much as possible for the near future.  I can’t keep it together for her sake if I spiral out.

  4. 4.

    Elizabelle

    January 20, 2025 at 8:27 pm

    Jack has a soulful face. Expressive.

  5. 5.

    Another Scott

    January 20, 2025 at 8:34 pm

    Thank you.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  6. 6.

    eclare

    January 20, 2025 at 8:36 pm

    What a cutie!

  7. 7.

    John Revolta

    January 20, 2025 at 8:36 pm

    @Elizabelle: Probably smells better, too

  8. 8.

    SpaceUnit

    January 20, 2025 at 8:39 pm

    Jack has never given a nazi salute that you know of.…

    It’s 2025 and I don’t trust anyone.

  9. 9.

    Shalimar

    January 20, 2025 at 8:39 pm

    At least with the nazi salutes they aren’t trying to hide who they are.

  10. 10.

    brantl

    January 20, 2025 at 8:45 pm

    I hope they keep the Stump / Nazi paraphernalia right out front, so we know who we have to watch for treachery.
    Simpler, that way. We should get our flags made with 49 stars; they’re too dumb to see it.

  11. 11.

    oldster

    January 20, 2025 at 8:47 pm

    Yup. I refuse to be the cat that chases the laser-pointer of scandals and outrage.

    Fuck ’em. I have been doing good work all day on an obscure piece of scholarship. It won’t matter to many people, but it’s solid work. And they can’t take that away from me (yet).

  12. 12.

    ArchTeryx

    January 20, 2025 at 8:49 pm

    All I got to say today is the same thing I said before.

    All kinds of horrible shit is going to happen for the next four years, possibly the rest of my life. There is nothing I can do about that at this point. Whether Baud is being sarcastic, fatalistic or a mix of both, I’m with him. I will not spend my days doomscrolling. Nazi salutes? That old chestnut? They’ve been doing that shit for decades and the media’s been studiously ignoring it since Reagan. Hell, they ignored and sanewashed it – led by the FTFNYT – when the American Bund held a rally in the 1930s for the Nazi Party. Why should anything change now?

    Keep my eye out for when actual threats to the life and person of my family and I appear. When the American Schutzstaffel start going door to door, we put our plans into effect and go dark from the Internet outside of the secure channels we’ve arranged. Before that, I refused to get “owned.” They can troll all they want. When shit gets real, then we release the Black Lion.

    And that’s all.

  13. 13.

    hitchhiker

    January 20, 2025 at 8:57 pm

    My four year old granddaughter has learned, in the last week, the pleasure of bestowing a kiss on the cheek to her favorite people, of whom I am blessedly one.

    Nothing in my life prepared me for that kind of gift. Her shy approach. Her eyes afterward, making sure I got the message.

    I also still know the difference between right and wrong, which is worth a lot in these weird times. I don’t need the details of the weirdness, or the wrongness; thank dog I’m not someone obliged to earn a living by discussing any of it. Pretty sure that exercise would corrode me in some permanent way.

    Thanks to those of you doing the heroic work of taking notes on our present for the benefit of whoever — some distant day — will have the job of reading, wide-eyed, about what we did to ourselves once, for a while.

  14. 14.

    AJ of the Mustard Search and Rescue Team

    January 20, 2025 at 8:57 pm

    Is this environment, resilience is resistance.

    Or at least a necessary precondition.

  15. 15.

    geg6

    January 20, 2025 at 8:59 pm

    Yup.  I’ve paid no attention to that asshole all day until now and even then, only in the most cursory way.  Nothing I’ve heard shocked or surprised me.  It is what it is.  My only goal now is to get my family and friends and any strays I think I can help through this.  For now, going back to binging The Traitors.  Alan Cumming is everything.

  16. 16.

    Bard the Grim

    January 20, 2025 at 9:00 pm

    Trump has already done a number of unconscionable things.

    I assume one of them is that he, like Jack, passed gas and left the room?

  17. 17.

    eclare

    January 20, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    @geg6:

    That is a great show.

  18. 18.

    Theron Ware

    January 20, 2025 at 9:01 pm

    I send a BOOP! To jack.

  19. 19.

    Suzanne

    January 20, 2025 at 9:02 pm

    As a kid, I always wondered about Germans who supported Hitler at one point, and if there ever came a point at which they had a crashing realization. Like, what is the thought process? Was there anyone who thought he was acceptable at first and then changed their minds?

    I don’t wonder about that anymore.

  20. 20.

    WaterGirl

    January 20, 2025 at 9:05 pm

    Jack looking right at each of us.  He will not be denied!

  21. 21.

    Betty Cracker

    January 20, 2025 at 9:06 pm

    I’ve seen a number of think pieces on how the “resistance” feels different this go-round. A thing that feels different to me: I’m finding jingoistic displays of fake patriotism on display at sporting events unbearable. I always found them mildly annoying, but now they make my skin crawl.

  22. 22.

    geg6

    January 20, 2025 at 9:07 pm

    @eclare:

    Finally broke down and got Peacock, mainly to watch that show, which, knowing my love for Survivor, all my friends have been touting, and the upcoming SNL docs.  I know one of them will be about the music, which I am very much looking forward to.

  23. 23.

    ArchTeryx

    January 20, 2025 at 9:08 pm

    @Suzanne: I think a certain scene in the movie Fury, about a tank crew fighting the European war shortly before Hitler killed himself, says it all.

    One house the Fury crew comes across in a newly freed village in Germany has an upper middle class family in it, the sort of small town businessmen you saw a lot of in 1940s. Their dining room was loaded with Nazi symbols, and every single member of the family was dead. Murder-suicide by the pater familias, when Hitler was on his way out.

    That generation never gave him up.

  24. 24.

    Another Scott

    January 20, 2025 at 9:08 pm

    I see the Dead Kennedys are going to be on tour again. Hmm…

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  25. 25.

    John S.

    January 20, 2025 at 9:09 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Sadly, understanding how Hitler rose to power and committed such horrible atrocities is no longer an academic exercise.

    But I really do not expect the outcome to be even remotely similar here. Even with Musk flashing the fascist salute on day one.

  26. 26.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:10 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m finding jingoistic displays of fake patriotism on display at sporting events unbearable. I always found them mildly annoying, but now they make my skin crawl.

    Same. I never want to hear the phrase “land of the free, home of the brave” ever again. If I’m ever at an event where I’m expected to stand for the national anthem, I’ll keep sitting. It’s clearly bullshit as far as I’m concerned

  27. 27.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 20, 2025 at 9:10 pm

    Jack!

    You adorable fartasaurus!

    Fart on, dude!  Fart!  On!

  28. 28.

    KatKapCC

    January 20, 2025 at 9:10 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Like, what is the thought process? Was there anyone who thought he was acceptable at first and then changed their minds?

    No. They hated Jews and were perfectly content with what was being done. It’s not like everyone was all kumbaya before Hitler showed up. Recall all of the “we had no idea!!!!” BS from citizens. Oh really? Where did they think all the Jews went? They all decided to take very long vacations?

  29. 29.

    Gvg

    January 20, 2025 at 9:11 pm

    Correct. I bought fresh bird seed today before the cold wave hits Florida hard. I need to stock some milk ones for the neighbors barky dogs. I have always been able to calm down neighbor dogs who think they are supposed to guard. This family leave the dogs outside and bored too much in hot and now cold weather IMO. Privacy fence so it’s a little harder to make friends, but I always manage with bribery, but I am out. This is a plan I have control over.

    I put away my ladders for the winter. Ordered some gardening books and a few plants which are on hold because of the weather and browsed plant catalogs. Cleaned house a little. These things made me feel calm. Tomorrow I get to work from home and don’t have to leave my warm house. My sister is dropping off her dog in case the weather really is as bad as predicted. Then she can stay at the hospital if the roads are icy. And I get a dog for a few days.

  30. 30.

    RevRick

    January 20, 2025 at 9:13 pm

    I have a few simple words for all of you:

    You are beautiful.

  31. 31.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:18 pm

    @KatKapCC:

    I recall, maybe I’m wrong, but didn’t the Nazi government claim that Jewish families were being “relocated”? I suppose they bought that line of BS

  32. 32.

    Melancholy Jaques

    January 20, 2025 at 9:20 pm

    I really did not need a special appearance by that asshole in the middle of my wonderful football game. I may just get rid of DirecTV after the Super Bowl. I watch NBA & MLB on their apps. I don’t otherwise watch what was known as television back in the day.

  33. 33.

    Betty Cracker

    January 20, 2025 at 9:23 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: That pissed me off too — it felt like a fucking ambush. I’m muting this garbage channel until the players retake the field.

  34. 34.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:25 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques:

    @Betty Cracker:

    What game are you watching?

  35. 35.

    Dangerman

    January 20, 2025 at 9:25 pm

    What happened? I did feel a disturbance in The Farce today but really all I did was sleep. It’s my Saturday so sleep on Mondays is normal; today I just said, fuck it, not getting out of bed unless absolutely necessary.

    I don’t think I’ve ever had a noticeably farting dog (likely have a farting President right now; he must have staff that follows him around with Air Freshener).

    Today was a sad day. We will have a lot of sad days for a while. I’m skipping it as much as possible. Elon Mush can Nazi salute all he wants; I don’t care. Go impregnate another half dozen women. Don’t care. Karma’s a bitch; he’s not Iron Man and, for the love of all that is decent, can we get off this Mars shit? I saw Star Wars (the Reagan version) up close (Leslie Abramson, I hope I have the name right, once visited a lab I was in); wanted to go over and knee him in the nads but I liked my job at the time. Anyway, Mars is so NOT possible in the foreseeable future. Sorry, Guys.

  36. 36.

    Another Scott

    January 20, 2025 at 9:26 pm

    @RevRick: Thank you.  And thanks for all you do.

    I don’t know if you saw Bishop Barber’s sermon at the MLK Day events in Atlanta today. Here (starting around 1:50:00). I thought they were on point and very powerful.

    Hang in there.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  37. 37.

    sab

    January 20, 2025 at 9:27 pm

    Cleveland’s classical music station has a request hour every night at seven. Tonight it was a William Grant Stills piece. Martin Luther King  Day, nothing whatever all day about that other thing going on.

    Husband and dog are watching The Ohio State/Notre Dame game. The Spellman College chorus did America the Beautiful and it was really beautiful. I don’t know why they would be at that particular game, but I am glad they were.

  38. 38.

    Professor Bigfoot

    January 20, 2025 at 9:28 pm

    @Suzanne: “If we don’t make it dangerous to be a Nazi, they’ll make it dangerous to not be one.”

    At some point the German people, even if they did wake up, did not want to have GeheimeStaatsPolizei banging on their door at 2 am.

    People have no idea how nasty this can get.

  39. 39.

    Old School

    January 20, 2025 at 9:30 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    What game are you watching?

    Probably the college football championship game.

  40. 40.

    Betty Cracker

    January 20, 2025 at 9:31 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): College football championship, Ohio State vs Notre Dame.

    ETA: I dislike both teams but am half-assed rooting for ND because I like their coach. It’s not going well for them though.

  41. 41.

    John S.

    January 20, 2025 at 9:31 pm

    @Another Scott:

    I love Dr. Barber. I can literally listen to that man speak all day long.

    That was a powerful sermon.

  42. 42.

    Dangerman

    January 20, 2025 at 9:33 pm

    James Abrahamson. My apologies to the JD. No apologies to the General.

  43. 43.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:34 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    At some point the German people, even if they did wake up, did not want to have GeheimeStaatsPolizei banging on their door at 2 am.

    People have no idea how nasty this can get.

    Would it have made a difference if they had been armed? The US does have the Second Amendment after all and conservatives aren’t the only ones who have guns or can get their hands on them

  44. 44.

    Poe Larity.

    January 20, 2025 at 9:39 pm

    2A vloggers are upset with Pam Bondi and her pro age and red flag laws.

  45. 45.

    Jackie

    January 20, 2025 at 9:42 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Last night’s Buffalo/Ravens  game included FFOTUS news during the halftime. I hit the mute button, but was pissed that normal halftime broadcasting was preempted with political Trump BS.

  46. 46.

    Suzanne

    January 20, 2025 at 9:42 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Yeah, I know. As I said above…. I don’t wonder about this as an adult.

    I went to Dachau in 2009. It was as heartrending as I expected. One thing, however, that I absolutely did not expect was that there were houses so close to the camp. In some places, houses had a small backyard with a five-foot-high block fence, and the camp was immediately on the other side of that block fence. Literally just feet away, no further away than my next-door neighbor is from me right now. In all of the images and footage I had ever seen…. I had not realized how close the houses were. I tried to imagine living like that. Utterly failed.

  47. 47.

    different-church-lady

    January 20, 2025 at 9:43 pm

    @Suzanne: I bet a lot of them changed their minds when the Russian army took Berlin.

  48. 48.

    Professor Bigfoot

    January 20, 2025 at 9:44 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): They were! They took guns away from Jews, but German Christians were allowed— even encouraged to have guns.

    As someone said higher up, the German people wanted their Trump, they wanted the lebensraum, they really thought themselves übermenchen, and any of them who realized what they really were… well, between the SA before Hitler took power and the Gestapo later, who wants to put himself in the way of violence?

    They have the Proud Boys & such (Trump’s SturmAbteilung) and they have the police unions (FOP, Border Patrol union, etc) for their Geheime Staats Polizei.

    One more thing- they had control of the media, so when some Jew decided to meet the authorities with gunfire, nobody else would hear about it, preserving the idea of the “invincibility” of the State.

  49. 49.

    2liberal

    January 20, 2025 at 9:45 pm

    I’m on board with ignoring the felon.  this site makes me feel like I’m in good company.

  50. 50.

    TBone

    January 20, 2025 at 9:45 pm

    Although the vets at animal hospital are very wonderful, I met more MAGA today in the waiting room there by accident.  An older lady with a small fox terrier. “Cute dog,” I said because she looked upset and very alone.  “Who’s a good boy?!” to the terrier and she immediately stepped in with “Girl!” a little too quickly, so my red flag warning went up.  Yup, I shouldn’t have tried to be friendly and empathetic here in Pennsyltucky, I know.  I went silent but remained smiling.

    Her, after a few moments of silence: “Glad you didn’t try to approach, she’s very timid. Except with my sister and her kids.  Oh, she looks small but she’s really sporty!” So I said one word which I immediately regretted: “Feisty.” Her:  “No, sporty! She teams up with my Shepherd and they kill racoons and possums and squirrels together in my yard!” all proud, as if bloodsport is a normal, everyday thing little old ladies are into.  Which I guess they are, here and now …

  51. 51.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:51 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    But did they have the gun culture of the modern US? And Trump is already underwater in terms of approval after an election he narrowly won. There’s no reason to believe that an armed, organized resistance composed of multiple groups wouldn’t rise to oppose Trump if it came to that. The US is not Nazi Germany and Americans are not the Germans of that era

  52. 52.

    Starfish (she/her)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:52 pm

    @TBone: How can you know she is a Trumper if you did not apologize to her for misgendering her dog and offering to use the correct pronouns to see if she would immediately lose her shit?

  53. 53.

    Professor Bigfoot

    January 20, 2025 at 9:55 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): When death squads come to the United States, they will be recruited from the police departments

    edited to add: Of course, you’re absolutely right. I think what we’d see is “conservatives” doing to everyone they hate the same that Europeans did to Jews- oppression and violent pogroms. I believe they will be supported by individual police, if those cops aren’t the actual ethnic cleansers.

    The thing is— no matter how well armed, the cops are MORE armed, and after they’ve shot up a few homes of “others,” people are naturally gonna try to keep their heads down.

    Even if they’ve got lots of guns.

  54. 54.

    mayim

    January 20, 2025 at 9:56 pm

    I’m in self-care mode ~ that and sticking to what things I can do and do well. Librarian professionally, which is likely to be seen as a subversive field over the next few years ~ and my co-workers and I plan to do our best to deserve that reputation. Otherwise, I foster kittens/do TNR, teach English to refugees, and sew blankets for kids in foster care and/or who are medically fragile. None of those things will change the state we’re in ~ but they make me feel better about my little corner of the world. In 12 to 18 months, I should have the energy to fight again on a larger scale.

    At least that’s my plan. For the moment, I’m getting my news reading here <usually a day’s worth late in the evening, as I take being as impartial as I can be at work seriously and don’t check in here, so most threads are long dead by the time I see them> and a carefully curated Bluesky feed.

    Now, having read through today’s posts, it’s ice cream o’clock. Usually confine desserts to the weekend, but even with not seeing any of today’s events, I deserve it ~ even if the weather outside is flirting with zero degrees <actual temperature, not wind chill>. And you deserve a treat, too.

  55. 55.

    TBone

    January 20, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    @Starfish (she/her): hahahaha thank you for the LOL!  I stay very polite while the people there have my cat in a cage. His life is precious to me and some of the staff there are, shall we say, suss.  But when he’s home, I have more stories!

  56. 56.

    Bettencourt

    January 20, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    One way I’m trying to maintain my good nature is by spending much less time at Lawyers Guns & Money, which I’ve lately come to think of as the abusive boyfriend of liberal blogs.

  57. 57.

    The Thin Black Duke

    January 20, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    @Suzanne: The Zone of Interest goes there. In some respects it’s one of the most horrifying holocaust-themed because it examines how easily people can compartmentalize genocide into just another day at work.

  58. 58.

    bluefoot

    January 20, 2025 at 9:58 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: Yep. It will all be under the color of law with the Proud Boys etc supporting.

  59. 59.

    Starfish (she/her)

    January 20, 2025 at 9:59 pm

    @mayim: Thank you for all the work that you do.

  60. 60.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 10:01 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    The thing is— no matter how well armed, the cops are MORE armed, and after they’ve shot up a few homes of “others,” people are naturally gonna try to keep their heads down.

    Even if they’ve got lots of guns.

    It can also lead to mass outrage and uprisings

  61. 61.

    Professor Bigfoot

    January 20, 2025 at 10:02 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): Yeah, then you’re talking about CWII.

    Only it won’t be “North VS. South,” it will be a lot more like the Argentine Dirty War.

    Disappearances.

    Torture.

    Murder.

  62. 62.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 20, 2025 at 10:05 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Go Domers!  Fuck the Bucks!

  63. 63.

    mrmoshpotato

    January 20, 2025 at 10:06 pm

    @Melancholy Jaques: We watched Jeopardy during halftime.

  64. 64.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    January 20, 2025 at 10:06 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot:

    I was thinking more along the lines of Vietnam, still horrible, but the US military was ultimately defeated by the guerrillas

  65. 65.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 20, 2025 at 10:06 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

     And Trump is already underwater in terms of approval after an election he narrowly won.

    I expect his approval to rise if it becomes dangerous to disapprove of him.

  66. 66.

    Jackie

    January 20, 2025 at 10:11 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I expect his approval to rise if it becomes dangerous to disapprove of him.

    I know you’re joking/not joking. Sadly more truth than fiction.

  67. 67.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 20, 2025 at 10:12 pm

    @John S.:

    Sadly, understanding how Hitler rose to power and committed such horrible atrocities is no longer an academic exercise.

    But I really do not expect the outcome to be even remotely similar here. Even with Musk flashing the fascist salute on day one.

    Yeah, it could be worse. The Allies eventually banded together to invade Germany and stop the Nazis. Nobody is going to do that to us.

  68. 68.

    different-church-lady

    January 20, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: It will just become illegal to report his disapproval.

  69. 69.

    different-church-lady

    January 20, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: My money’s on South Korea.

  70. 70.

    Professor Bigfoot

    January 20, 2025 at 10:13 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): I don’t think so much “defeated” but “proved to be such a pain in the ass that the Americans decided it wasn’t worth the effort.

    I don’t think we’ll have that kind of leverage here… again, we’re talking about local police forces, and I’d wager there are more cops in America now than there were American soldiers in Vietnam.

  71. 71.

    different-church-lady

    January 20, 2025 at 10:16 pm

    @Bettencourt: Amazing how they just keep burbling along seemingly without a single bit of self-awareness regarding how big a part they were of the damage.

  72. 72.

    Quinerly

    January 20, 2025 at 10:17 pm

    Highly recommend LOD tonight. First few minutes were on how the WH press corps treats Trump with kid gloves (my words).

  73. 73.

    catclub

    January 20, 2025 at 10:18 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    I bet a lot of them changed their minds when the Russian army took Berlin.

    Whenever they realized he was getting them all killed.
    They could have bought in when he said he was getting the world’s respect and lebensraum.

  74. 74.

    Jackie

    January 20, 2025 at 10:18 pm

    We’ll soon see how the Supremes respond:

    “An executive order President Donald Trump signed Monday night vows to end birthright citizenship in the U.S., despite broad legal consensus that the Constitution guarantees American citizenship to nearly everyone born on U.S. soil,” Politico reports.

    “Trump’s order directs federal agencies to refuse to recognize U.S. citizenship for children born in the U.S. to mothers who are in the country illegally or here legally on visas, if the father is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident.”

    “The order would deny U.S. citizenship, including passports, to those children born in the U.S. starting 30 days from now, if at least one parent isn’t an American citizen or green card holder.”

    This pertains to ALL mothers in the country illegally, right? European or…?

  75. 75.

    different-church-lady

    January 20, 2025 at 10:20 pm

    @Jackie: “Nobody is a US Citizen except Donald J. Trump” — Alito, for the majority

  76. 76.

    Jackie

    January 20, 2025 at 10:22 pm

    @different-church-lady: I edited, but your point still stands.

  77. 77.

    Another Scott

    January 20, 2025 at 10:23 pm

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): It was more than guerrillas.

    Wikipedia – Viet Cong:

    The movement fought under the direction of North Vietnam against the South Vietnamese and United States governments during the Vietnam War. The organization had both guerrilla and regular army units, as well as a network of cadres who organized and mobilized peasants in the territory the VC controlled. During the war, communist fighters and some anti-war activists claimed that the VC was an insurgency indigenous to the South that represented the legitimate rights of people in South Vietnam, while the U.S. and South Vietnamese governments portrayed the group as a tool of North Vietnam. It was later conceded by the modern Vietnamese communist leadership that the movement was actually under the North Vietnamese political and military leadership, aiming to unify Vietnam under a single banner.

    Nobody knows what a modern civil war in the USA would look like (especially given the rapid pace of evolution in warfare (as we see in Ukraine)). We really don’t want to go there, and I don’t think we will even with all the bad times ahead. But, nobody knows the future.

    Hang in there.

    Best wishes,
    Scott.

  78. 78.

    Josie

    January 20, 2025 at 10:26 pm

    @Suzanne: ​
     That was what struck me about Dachau–how close to the town it was. There was no way that people could have avoided knowing what was happening there. Just a horrible thought.

  79. 79.

    catclub

    January 20, 2025 at 10:30 pm

    @Jackie: ​
     

    “An executive order President Donald Trump signed Monday night vows to end birthright citizenship in the U.S.,

    How does an EO ‘vow’? I wonder how crazy the actual text is.

  80. 80.

    Quinerly

    January 20, 2025 at 10:31 pm

    Have any police unions weighed in on these J6 pardons? I’m reading about the the guy with the baseball bat who was bashing cop’s heads being pardoned.

    Plenty of video of him with his bat.

  81. 81.

    Quinerly

    January 20, 2025 at 10:34 pm

    @catclub:

    And, the WH press corps was there in the Oval when he signed it. No questions asked. Everyone pretty jovial and chummy.

  82. 82.

    Another Scott

    January 20, 2025 at 10:44 pm

    @catclub:

    Text.

    Seems to be a lot of sleight of hand going on there, in my quick skimming, but IANAL.

    I’m sure it will be litigated quickly.

    HTH a little.

    Best wishes.
    Scott.

  83. 83.

    Starfish

    January 20, 2025 at 10:54 pm

    @Jackie: This will leave some women trapped in abusive relationships with passport bros or destitute.

  84. 84.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    January 20, 2025 at 10:55 pm

    I would urge everybody to read “Goodbye to the Mermaids” for an account of growing up in an anti-Nazi household during Hitler’s rise to power.

    I’ve been to Dachau.  It’s telling that modern day Germany, despite it’s post-war recognition of it’s past, does nothing to “advertise” Dachau if you’re in Munich.  It’s telling that people in the vicinity for 50-60 years after the Holocaust would go all “Sgt Schultz” when it came to what went on there.

    I just recently visited the only German concentration camp in Italy with a crematorium, the Risiera di San Sabba in Trieste.  It processed Jews for transport to Auschwitz-Birkenau but most of it’s state-sponsored murders were resistance.

    I’ve mentioned recently, I’m watching “Shoah” which is something else anybody wanting a serious understanding of the Holocaust should watch.

    One thing that’s happened over the last 20 years is the deliberate change of nomenclature.  Instead of referring to *German* activities related to the Holocaust, it’s now always *Nazi*.  Watch “Shoah” and read anything that’s not been done more recently and you see just how people who lived during that time frame don’t try to absolve *Germans* from culpability by using the label *Nazi*.

  85. 85.

    Jackie

    January 20, 2025 at 11:01 pm

    @Starfish: The next four years are not going to be positive for women, young ladies, or girls.

  86. 86.

    comrade scotts agenda of rage

    January 20, 2025 at 11:02 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    “Zone of Interest” is easily the best dramatized portrayal of the Holocaust which one would hope people here will take the time to watch.

    Drill down into the commandant’s family post-WWII, the boys remained steadfast Nazis and anti-Semites to the end.

    There’s another film that’s a dramatic portrayal of the rounding up and massacre of Ukrainian Jews, it’s gripping.  Can I figure out the name?  I’m ashamed to say I can’t but it’s another on the “much watch” list for anybody doing any reading/looking into on the Holocaust.

  87. 87.

    MobiusKlein

    January 20, 2025 at 11:13 pm

    I wonder if it’s time to go onto the 2000 person slack channel and ask upper management what they will do to support the rights of the H1-B visa workers with children in the US? And the other family members here legally.

  88. 88.

    Ohio Mom

    January 20, 2025 at 11:14 pm

    @mayim: Yes, you definitely deserve ice cream.

  89. 89.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 20, 2025 at 11:14 pm

    @Another Scott: I’m not a lawyer either, but:

    That “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” has something to do with your parents being the right kind of immigrant is an insane moon logic argument that I first heard from an Internet crank and wondered WTF he was smoking, and that has gradually become mainstream among conservatives. So mainstream that SCOTUS may well uphold it even though even a non-lawyer can tell it makes no sense.

    “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means the US can enforce its laws on you. In practice, that means that people born on US soil with diplomatic immunity, such as family members of foreign diplomats, don’t get citizenship. It actually makes sense, unlike this interpretation.

    There’s been some historical discussion of a second, hypothetical case, in which people traveling with an invading army have a baby on land that the invaders control and where the US therefore has no practical jurisdiction. And this, by my understanding, is where the insane moon logic typically gets traction: by defining undocumented immigrants as an “invading army” controlling swathes of America. It’s pure stupidity.

  90. 90.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    January 20, 2025 at 11:14 pm

    @geg6: if you have access to the Peacock network, you have access to international versions of the show.  You may already be aware of them, but if not, they’re worth seeing too

  91. 91.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 20, 2025 at 11:21 pm

    (…But treating people on H1B visas as if they were an invading army is a new one on me.)

  92. 92.

    Ohio Mom

    January 20, 2025 at 11:21 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: Years ago I sat through all gazillion hours of the movie Shoah — it was so long they broke it in two and I went two days in a row — and one of the scenes that stuck with me was an interview with a railroad conductor.

    Before the war, the trains he worked on were full of various types of cargo, during the war, Jews and others on their way to concentration camps, after the war, back to cargo.

    Another day, another dollar. All the same to him. He explained all this in n his living room. His nonchalance was chilling, as you said,”compartmentalizing genocide into just another day at work.”

  93. 93.

    Ohio Mom

    January 20, 2025 at 11:30 pm

    @Professor Bigfoot: That sounds about right to me, our next Civil War being like the Argentinian Dirty War. Somewhat like the Jim Crow South as well.

  94. 94.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 20, 2025 at 11:31 pm

    @Suzanne: Basically WWI happened to Germany, France hated Germany and there was Stalin to the East.

    The stabbed the back myth was started by the German Army in 1914 to excuse why they didn’t beat the French army in weeks like they had promised the German people.

    On top of it all, the conservatives wanted bring Kaiser William III back into power, the idiot who’s big mouth got Germany into the mess in the first place.

  95. 95.

    kalakal

    January 20, 2025 at 11:31 pm

    @Another Scott: A different possibility is Algeria or Northern Ireland. In NI it was never stand up gun battles. If you were a cop/Judge/politician/prominent in your local community etc you had to guard yourself and your family 24/7. And always check your car before driving. It became very dangerous to for you and your family to support/oppose* the government/opposition. And god help you if you were on a jury – in the end they had courts without juries for terrorist trials

    *Terrrorists/freedom fighters/loyalists , call them what you will, on both sides PIRA, UVF, UDF – very, very scary people

  96. 96.

    kalakal

    January 20, 2025 at 11:39 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    The old historians joke is that the only plan of the German General Staff in WW1 that was completely successful was their blaming other people for losing the war

  97. 97.

    geg6

    January 20, 2025 at 11:41 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Yes!  Absolutely horrifying film.  Very hard to watch even if it’s not graphic like so many Holocaust films.  The banality of it all.  Horrible.

  98. 98.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    January 20, 2025 at 11:51 pm

    Here is the think that you all ignoring about Germany in WWII; Germany can’t feed itself and it was only a matter of time before German starved to death once the British started their blockade.  Here is bunch of historians talk about how five obsolete British Cruisers defeated Germany in WWI. Keep in mind all of what they talking about applied in 1939, which means Hitler and company knew this was going to happen because they all starved in 1919

    youtu.be/18nCZvOlRLs?si=YT6PJHXfL4Upneg6

    One can view the Death Camps as pure crab bucket politics at it’s worse.

  99. 99.

    Melancholy Jaques

    January 20, 2025 at 11:59 pm

    For those who want to see it, Zone of Interest is streaming on Max, fka HBO.

  100. 100.

    RevRick

    January 21, 2025 at 12:03 am

    @Another Scott: Thank you for the link. One day! One day! One day!

  101. 101.

    Gloria DryGarden

    January 21, 2025 at 1:20 am

    A pleasing joke on Colbert tonight.

    He *was* going to put his hand on the Bible, but when they moved the ceremony indoors, the fire marshall wouldn’t allow it.

  102. 102.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    January 21, 2025 at 2:41 am

    @Quinerly: What is LOD? Usually I can figure out acronyms but this one has me mystified. Thank

    ETA: As soon as I posted this, I though Ah ha, Lawrence O’Donnell?

  103. 103.

    FelonyGovt

    January 21, 2025 at 2:45 am

    @Betty Cracker: I was at a hockey game tonight and I stood and applauded the first responders and then sat for the National Anthem. I just couldn’t pretend.

  104. 104.

    rikyrah

    January 21, 2025 at 3:39 am

    Jack is so cute 🥰 🥰

  105. 105.

    Chris Johnson

    January 21, 2025 at 5:45 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): The big reality there is that armed rightwingers are into infighting. They’re big into ‘militia means we can also go to war against Bob’s crew over there who are secret commies or H1B advocates’.

    And they’re better than we are at covert behavior. They clam right up. And they’ve been groomed to be MORE conspiracy brained than before, by Putin.

    And they’re not gonna sit down for being ruled by the likes of Vivek Ramaswamy… or anybody who sides with him and behaves like their jobs need to be given to H1Bs because they suck too hardcore to be employable.

    And they’re not smart or employable…

    And the last thing Putin wants is for Elon to seize power personally and then go to war AGAINST RUSSIA just when Russia is most exhausted and weakened.

    Trust me on this. Elon seizing power and Sieg Flailing all over the place is better than if it’d been Trump doing it, because Trump (and likely what’s his name, the veep) is spectacularly weak and compromised. Elon is not, and so Elon is personally a threat to Vladimir Putin, and is just as unmanageable and hopelessly fucked up as Trump is. And a lot younger.

    Expect a Russian-fueled backlash. This has to present the specter of Putin’s ‘ally’ turning and backstabbing him so the USA becomes the giant imperialist monster taking over the world and not Russia. There is no way Putin’s Bannon wing won’t respond. They didn’t elect THAT guy. Elon needs a lesson in obedience. Or worse.

    If it gets bad enough Russia will be funding and arming OUR tankie left wing the better to wreck the Trumpists. That’s been the real plan all along. At no point were Trump and his people meant to actually have power, they are there to kneecap the US!

  106. 106.

    Kayla Rudbek

    January 21, 2025 at 7:52 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): the National Championship, are you completely out of it or what?

  107. 107.

    Kayla Rudbek

    January 21, 2025 at 8:07 am

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): and you say that you live in Ohio?

  108. 108.

    pluky

    January 21, 2025 at 8:47 am

    @comrade scotts agenda of rage:

    Babi Yar

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babiy_Yar_(film)

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