Karl Rove’s backup dancer (DGregory) goes straight for the bogus “character” issue…
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Oh, lovely, in an attempt to lie about Warren’s record, Brown outs himself as a real estate attorney. All the blue-collar guys he’s courting love real estate attorneys. But he’s a JAG! You love that show, guys!
Warren’s doing really well on her response, IMO…. “going to the Supreme Court to try and ensure there’s a system to protect the [asbesto victims]… they are the one who are being attacked… “
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Brown’s going for the full-frontal, flat-out lies. Must’ve gotten Rove to prep him.
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Gregory: Would you be a reliable vote for President Romney?
Brown: Stop trying to trap me into admitting that I’m a Republican, you meanie!
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Brown says he will “stand up” to Mitch McConnell. Sure you will, Scotty.
Warren: When Sen. Brown talks about being ‘bipartisan’ and independent here in Massachusetts, that’s sure not the way he talks when he’s flying around the country collecting money for his reelection….
Senator Brown voted in lockstep with all of the other Republicans against President Obama’s job bills!
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Brown’s actually making a nnnngggh whining noise when Gregory cuts him off on one of his pre-canned bullsht responses. Not attractive.
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If this is, as the Conventional Wisdom has it, a “preview” of Wednesday’s presidential debate, the problem is that Scott Brown can at least fake the know-nothing blue-collar bhoyo running over the eeee-leete professor convincingly. Kinda hope Romney is dumb/desperate enough to try that, because he’ll look fake as well as obnoxious.
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First question from the student audience: I’m graduating in May. What are you gonna do to help me find a job?
Warren: We need to create more jobs, to support our fantastic creative work force, and we need a reliable ‘federal partner’ to help us move forward into the future.
Brown: The debt, the huge national debt will crush you all!
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Brown just got booed for coming out against the DREAM Act (good stance in effin Lowell, jagoff), because TERRISTS! ! !
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Gregory: Professor Warren, why do you think Massachusetts has never elected a female senator?
Warren: I don’t know, but I’m trying to do something about that right now!
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Gregory: Tell me something you admire about the other person.
Warren: Brown has a lovely family, and I’m sooooo happy he voted for DOMA to end DADT. Zing!
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Closing statements:
Brown: I’ve always voted 50% for my party, 50% for the opposition! Bipartisanship! (for about the dozenth time) Shorter: Scotty’s completely given up on Romney; he’s signalling that he’ll be happy to work with President Obama for another four years.
Warren: Happy talk is lovely, but we need a senator who’ll actually support President Obama’s agenda when it counts, not just when it’s convenient. Vote for me, or get the same Republican obstructionism we’ve had for the last four years & counting.
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My (obviously prejudiced) opinion — Brown locked down his “parochial arsehole” demographic, but he had them before the debate started. He was pushy, disorganized, obnoxious, and a little too proud of his pre-planned zingers. Warren did a good job of pointing out that he’s a lockstop TeaParty voter, that he hasn’t got the balls to own up to his own party affiliation, that he voted against a lot of bills that are popular in Massachusetts (jobs bills, the DREAM Act), and in favor of ending one (DOMADADT) whose ending was deeply unpopular with his beloved Talibangelicals. She played the Best Teacher You Remember Fondly Even When She Wouldn’t Take Your BS role to perfection — the Boston Herald will give it three thumbs down, but there’s nothing she could’ve done to get their endorsement regardless.
Any genuinely “independent” voter who watched those 55 minutes and still votes for Brown, deserves all the grief he’ll get as a result. The rest of us semi-sane Massholes, not so much.
beltane
More like Karl Rove’s lap dancer.
WaterGirl
Brown basically just called Warren a liar.
JPL
She’s handling it. He’s being the normal ass.
JCT
@beltane: Wow, thanks for THAT imagery.
SFAW
Good to see Fluffy doin’ the “Is you a Injun?” thing right out of the gate. Fucking clown.
On the plus side: my high-school-age daughter is watching it, and she flipped Fluffy (and Pick Up Truck Guy) the bird. Yet another reason I’m proud to be her father.
JPL
Now he lied..
the Conster
Every woman in Mass. should be chomping at the bit to vote for Warren. 2 accusatory men against 1 woman reminds me of Salem.
WaterGirl
@JPL: Brown completely lied about the list he said he released, but he obviously did not release a list.
El Cid
Clearly she’s not…
WaterGirl
@the Conster: I think Fluffy’s doing better than I expected. That’s a pretty low bar, though.
He has challenged Brown on some stuff, and revealed Brown to be a liar.
? Martin
Sounds like Brown is afraid of Warren to be going after her so soon. Good sign. There’ll be more implosions.
Nathaniel
Jesus, this guy just cannot stop lying.
WaterGirl
@? Martin: I thought Brown was in a panic when Fluffy pressed him about whether there’s really a released list of his clients.
PeakVT
Brown just admitted he’s union member. Oh-kay.
ETA: Brown’s looking out for the union guys…. who all endorsed Warren.
Well, I’ve seen all I can stomach.
burnspbesq
@WaterGirl:
Lovely. That’s approximately like me saying the Mets exceeded my expectations because they’re going to lose less than 90 games this year. It’s true, but they still sucked.
JPL
Great question about Romney and Brown evading it.
WaterGirl
Rock throwers. Scott Brown has obviously memorized some zingers.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@the Conster:
You should try attending one of our City Council meetings. Spirit of 1692.
Really not liking David Gregory’s tack here.
But you do get the sense that these are two lawyers, talking at a table.
Peregrinus
@burnspbesq:
Whoa. That’s offensive to the Mets. It’s more like the Bills. (And this from a Bills fan!)
JPL
what a fucking asshole…
WaterGirl
Are people booing or cheering in response to “I’m not a student in your classroom, let me respond”?
the Conster
I half believed that Brown would take some of his last debate performance criticism to heart, but that’s who he is and he’s doubling down on the attitude. What a huge sucking mendacious asshole.
JPL
@WaterGirl: his folks cheered but I think it hurts him overall. What do I know though..nothing.
snetzky
Brown is an enormous ass. Not answering the questions. Preview for Wednesday night?
Anne Laurie
@WaterGirl: Both. Supporters are pumped; I suspect there will be fist-fights in the parking lot afterwards.
JPL
omg.. can he answer one question please.. it’s all i ask.
Linda Featheringill
I tried to tune in to the debate but that man is such an asshole. I can’t stand his voice. I can’t stand how he wants everybody to shut up and listen to him.
Respect and gratitude to you who can weather this. Thank you.
Life is short and I don’t need this shit. I’m off to find some chocolate.
Shrillhouse
I wasn’t aware that DG was going to moderate this one. The horror…
? Martin
@WaterGirl:
You think Romney will memorize the same ones?
WaterGirl
@Linda Featheringill: I am eating chocolate while I watch the debate. It helps.
I think Warren is terrific tonight.
Peregrinus
Please tell me he didn’t just seriously tell Liz Warren “I’m not a student in your classroom, let me respond.”
WaterGirl
@? Martin: Romney’s probably taking “zinger” notes as we speak.
Edit: I am seeing an old Ross Perot on my TV as they take a break in the debate, and he was on while I was waiting for the debate to start. I wonder if that will influence the folks who want to throw their vote toward a third party.
burnspbesq
@Peregrinus:
I’m allowed. I’ve been a Mets fan since 1962.
Anne Laurie
@Peregrinus: Brown thinks being an obnoxious know-nothing douchebag is his Masshole selling point. Sadly, it may be!
SFAW
@? Martin:
Perhaps. The tell will be when he calls the President “Professor Warren … uh, I mean Obama, for Pete’s sake!”
Peregrinus
@burnspbesq:
Past statement retracted in honor of your longer-standing tragedy.
@Anne Laurie:
“Masshole” just says everything about him, doesn’t it?
BarbCat
@Peregrinus: “I’m not a student in your classroom, let me respond.”
The crowd did not like that.
I had no idea he’s such a smug bastid.
Gregory seems to give Scott the final word. EVERY TIME.
JPL
How long is this debate?
burnspbesq
@Peregrinus:
Of course he’s not. He didn’t have the grades or the LSAT score to get into Hahvahd.
Linda Featheringill
@JPL:
How long is the debate? Too long.
JPL
well fuck now he is reading about diane henry
WaterGirl
@Linda Featheringill: The debate will last maybe 10 or 15 minutes more.
scav
No, you’ll have to worry about receiving your failing grade from elsewhere.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Dueling ads.
For Congressman, too.
This is weird.
Peregrinus
@BarbCat:
I did, but not firsthand. I don’t know anyone who likes the guy, but then I don’t know a lot of MA voters who actually vote in MA.
Off-topic to a degree: I was told over the summer, by a Democrat, that Gwen Ifill was an unfair moderator of the 2008 VP debate. The only other person I’d ever heard evince an opinion on the subject was my sophomore year roommate who was a birther. (I don’t think I need to say anything else about his politics.)
Peregrinus
@BarbCat:
I did, but not firsthand. I don’t know anyone who likes the guy, but then I don’t know a lot of MA voters who actually vote in MA.
Off-topic to a degree: I was told over the summer, by a Democrat, that Gwen Ifill was an unfair moderator of the 2008 VP debate. The only other person I’d ever heard evince an opinion on the subject was my sophomore year roommate who was a birther. (I don’t think I need to say anything else about his politics.)
ETA: So is that general consensus? Also, FYWP!
zmullls
Warren actually wanted to respond to Brown’s BS and Dancin’ Dave wouldn’t let her…a “debate” is each person giving their little speech and moving on
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
Me, too.
Yeah, I remember being in the left field stands when Cleon caught that last out in ’69. (Sorry, but seeing as how we were also talking about Scott Brown, I figured I’d try to match the truthfulness of his answers.)
It has certainly been disheartening to watch them these last NN years. Even the 2000 Series. (I knew Piazza and Benitez would choke, as usual, and I never thought Valentine was anything special.)
You a New Yorker, past or present?
Peregrinus
@burnspbesq:
Oh, snap. Shit just got real.
burnspbesq
@BarbCat:
But I’ll bet Boyo Nation loved it. “Yah, he fookin’ showed her, dinnhe?” “Fook her, she looks like fookin Sister Mary Cecilia who gave me a D in fifth grade English.” “Moah beah heah!”
Agoraphobic Kleptomaniac
Finally got an answer out of Brown, and he doesn’t support the Dream Act, which he got booed over.
Here’s news republicans, you’re asshole policies are why everyone hates you.
JPL
she, she, she… omg make him go away
Bob In Portland
Liked when Warren ran off a list of jobs bills that Brown voted against, in lockstep with Mitch McConnell. When the camera flashed on him he was withering.
WaterGirl
@JPL: I have heard all the “she”s as well.
Not helping.
burnspbesq
@SFAW:
Born in Albany, grew up in North Jersey. My grandfather, who was a beat cop in Albany for 34 years, was a Giants fan, so I come by my hatred of all things Yankee and Dodger honestly. My first baseball game was in June of 1962, the first time the Giants came back to play at the Polo Grounds.
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
Fookin’ snaaahhb. You sayin’ BC Law ain’t as good as Hahvahd? Yer a fookin’ snaaahhb.
Peregrinus
@burnspbesq:
The nun/teacher dynamic must be particularly fucking with the Irish Catholics.
WaterGirl
Who is your fole model for supreme court justice? All of them, Fluffy.
Love Elizabeth Warren’s answer to the question about no elected female governor’s and senators.
Edit: and another memorized zinger from Brown: She’s such a great professor, I intend to make sure she gets to stay in that position.
What a dick.
dr. bloor
@burnspbesq: Doesn’t really matter. That segment is voting for him no matter what happens; it’s going to come across like a shithead comment to a lot of people whose votes he hasn’t locked down yet.
dr. bloor
@SFAW: You’re still aiming too high. Think Suffolk.
BarbCat
@burnspbesq:
And he finishes the ‘questions’ with a strong non-commitment & a “I am white” proclamation!
Augmentation Phrase: I need a Tagmet.
burnspbesq
@SFAW:
Fookin A, if I can get into BC Law, you know it’s shite.
JPL
All I want is for Warren to say if he wanted to be an independent than why is he a Republican.
1badbaba3
I thought he was just being ‘guys’, but he’s terrified of her. It’s Bobby Riggs level false bravado. He’s fuckin’ toast.
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
Yours is a noble history, for sure.
I grew up on the Island, about 10 minutes from Shea (may it requiescat in pace). Never made it to the Polo Grounds, but used to drive by the apartments/projects it became.
I’m still pissed about Tom Seaver.
the Conster
@WaterGirl:
He was probably told to stop the sneering “professor” shit. He can’t even say “she” without making it sound like he’s a total fucking asshole.
SFAW
@dr. bloor:
You saying he went to Suffolk, or that BC Law isn’t as good as Suffolk Law?
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
Scott Brown’s superpower: He can hold both Scalia and Sotomoyor in his heart at the same time. And not explode.
Another Halocene Human
SCOTTIE YOU FUCKING TOOL. SCALIA? FUCK UUUUUUU. NO ON THE DREAM ACT? FUCK. YOOOOOOOOOOOU. AND YOU WON’T EVEN COMMIT ON BOBBY VALENTINE.
PUSSY!
YEAH, I SAID IT COSMO BOY.
YOUR GRIFTING DAYS WILL BE OVAH SOON, YA BIG LUMPY COWARD. OH YEAH, FUCK EWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
opie jeanne
@SFAW: What was her response to the “is you a Injun?” question? I found the live-feed a bit late, only got to see the last 15 minutes.
Another Halocene Human
wow. fywp. and I had comment #69 too.
shorter: i told scottie to fuck himself.
burnspbesq
@Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God:
Unpossible. He’s lying about one of them. And we know which one.
WaterGirl
@the Conster:
Seems like he picked up on the “advice: don’t sneer when you’re saying professor”, so now he sneers when he says “she”. Brown doesn’t seem very bright.
I thought he looked terrified. I thought Warren was really together and did a stellar job tonight. And I say this as someone who cringed at a couple of her answers at the last debate.
Edit: I thought she was pitch perfect on pretty much every answer.
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
Ya know, while I was typing that comment, a little voice (no, not one of THOSE voices, I took my meds tonight TYVM) said “I wonder if Burns went to BC Law. Nah, what are the chances?”
My whole fucking week has been like that.
burnspbesq
@SFAW:
I got my acceptance letter from USC the day before I was going to have to send a deposit check to BC.
Calouste
So, time for our joke competition. Please complete the following:
Q: What is the difference between Scott Brown and goatse?
A: One is a gaping asshole and the other is ….
PreservedKillick
@Another Halocene Human:
Bingo. That rang out across the state. Big screw up by Brown, right there.
SFAW
@opie jeanne:
Honestly, I didn’t listen to her response. I gave Fluffy a “Fuck you, you fucking asshole” and walked away, because my BP is high enough without having Fluffy or Pickup Guy causing it to spike.
Remember me writing that my daughter flipped Fluffy and Brownie the bird? Well, she’s like a younger, tamer version of her old man. But, thank FSM, she hates Rethugs almost as much!
Another Halocene Human
Oh yeah, WBZ can go fuck themselves, too. I wasted ten minutes and turned on every evil script ever trying to get wbz live feed to load. Finally I found the live feed through a facebook page on the elizabethwarren site, didn’t need to turn on any scripts at all.
WBZ: go fuck youse-selves
SFAW
@burnspbesq:
OK. So I didn’t TOTALLY screw the pooch on that one, only MOSTLY.
Gee, things are looking up for me!
WaterGirl
I had no idea Scott Brown was such a suck-up.
Thank you SO much for that question! Congratulations on your upcoming graduation! Thank you for this debate, Fluffy!
Way beyond politeness, well into suck-up brown-noser land.
Liquid
Welcome to Worcester, a dollar twenty-five please.
weaselone
Unforced error by Brown.
Dancing Dave: Who is your favorite Supreme Court justice?
Brownoser: Scalia, umm, I mean Kennedy, no Roberts, uhhh Sotomayor.
It’s a face palm moment. This was a perfect pitch to him by Gregory. All he had to do is answer Roberts, vomit out some platitudes about how Roberts was all bipartisan and independent just like Brown and he would have been golden. Instead it’s a Casey at bat moment ending with Brown knocked unconscious gagged with his own jock strap.
Saying Scalia was bad enough. Then he compounded it by caving to the crowd’s disapproval. Revealed himself as a wingnut and gonadless with 30 seconds.
idiots
You are all a bunch of idiots who probably don’t pay taxes, have a job, or are US citizens. And most important, won’t bother to vote. THANK GOD. Really, I was looking for an insightful blog, but stumbled upon the trailer trash site. Do you have to use profanity in every post. As I’ve been taught, those who swear have nothing intelligent to say.
MoeLarryAndJesus
What’s this bullshit about Scotty voting 50% of the time with the Democrats?
He’s actually voted 76% of the time with the Republicans.
It’s just another lie, like his basketball scholarship and his secret meetings with kings and queens.
WaterGirl
@opie jeanne: I watched on TV and wish I had recorded it so I could go back and listen and give you a good answer to your question.
What I recall, and if you watched it, jump in on this…
I thought it was a much stronger answer than in the last debate. That’s what I heard from my mom from the day I was born until the day she died. I don’t believe my mom lied to me. I don’t consider myself a minority, but I am proud to think I have native american ancestry.
When Brown said she lied about it: said she lied in saying she didn’t know why/how harvard had her classified that way, brown said she lied about this in multiple ways, but I don’t recall how.
Her reply is that she misheard a question in a noisy event, and so she answered what she thought had been asked. As soon as she figured out what really had been asked (later that day or the next day) she put out a statement with the answer.
I thought her answers about this in the first debate were kinda weak. I thought her answers were very strong on this tonight. (And on everything else!)
My gut feeling is that she was much more comfortable sitting down having a discussion/debate at a table than standing at a podium at the first debate.
burnspbesq
@MoeLarryAndJesus:
He actually said that? Fuck, Tufts is Division 3, there are no athletic scholarships.
WaterGirl
@weaselone: Completely agree! One word: weasel
He looked like a fucking cowardly weasel with that answer.
What was it Michelle said about being president revealing your character? Well, I think this debate clearly revealed Scott Brown’s character, and it’s not pretty.
burnspbesq
@SFAW:
I’m getting ready to be pissed when fucking Gio Gonzalez wins the Cy Young.
Anne Laurie
@Another Halocene Human:
Uh, WHDH, Ch7, this time. I think it’s Fox next one and Ch5 for the last debate, but don’t quote me. Quad-partisonship, for the networks!
WaterGirl
Anne Laurie, really enjoyed your live blogging. And thanks for the thread!
After the debate tonight, I really have the feeling that Elizabeth Warren will win. If she doesn’t, can someone here come find me on election night? I’ll be the one rocking in the corner.
Comrade Mary
I’m confused. Warren said that she was glad Brown voted for DOMA, which I read as “You’ve shown yourself to be a biased jerk and I’ll bring that to the attention of the audience.”
But how does Brown’s vote for DOMA = pissing off the Right?
muddy
@WaterGirl: Hi WaterGirl! I am still curious about why you were so surprised a while ago that I am a she? I was saying to my son about it and he said, Why don’t you just ask?
ETA sorry to be OT
C Bun
David Gregory really has no business moderating something like this. He’s bad enough on Meet the Press, but is totally out of his depth here. I hope they get someone competent for the next debate. On the up side, at least they managed to televise this one in western Massachusetts.
Soonergrunt
@idiots: You’re Goddamn right. Fuck these fucking fuckers! Canadians, all of ’em. Not just Canadians, but French Canadians! Fuquers!
Sparrowgal
@WaterGirl: Replay is already on CSPAN, if you are interested (shudder!!) in re-viewing:
Warren/Brown Debate redux
Kadzimiel
Warren is much improved since the first debate and she reduced Brown to ducking and weaving about a third of the time by hammering him on facts and refusing to back down. How that plays with your resentful white Southie male, I don’t know, but probably not well. That said, I think she’s going to win this thing reasonably comfortably. Overall, a solid win for the Professor.
ThresherK
David Gregory did this event?
Geez, I hope my state’s Senate race never gets so important.
Felanius Kootea
@idiots:
Are you saying that US citizens are not idiots or idiots are not US citizens? I’m truly intrigued by your first sentence and would like to suggest that you volunteer for the Romney campaign. They could use your obvious wordsmithing talents.
WaterGirl
@Comrade Mary: I could be wrong, but I thought it was the repeal of DADT (Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell), not DOMA.
Davis X. Machina
@WaterGirl: Go stand by the checkouts at the Christmas Tree Shoppes in Pembroke, or the Lowes in Taunton, and just listen for a while. All will become clear.
JPL
@idiots: Scott calm down..just because you couldn’t answer a yes or no question isn’t relevant. Thanks for visiting the site though.. take care
stratplayer
@idiots:
Welcome to Balloon Juice, home of some very, very smart, very insightful, lowlife, trailer trash pottymouths. You may not know it yet, and you may never know it, but you’re way out of your league here, pal. Good luck and happy trolling! And if you life being made a fool of, do visit Roy Edroso’s place and try your hand at trolling in that shark tank. Show us how intelligent and insightful you are. http://alicublog.blogspot.com/
Cindra
WORST MODERATOR EVER….HE WAS IN THE DEBATE…WARREN VS BROWN VS GREGORY!!!
D0n Camillo
@idiots:
Take care lest yon door strike thine ample buttocks as thou parteth.
There, is that clean enough for you? No? Fuck!
1badbaba3
@idiots: Fuck off. And your little God too.
WaterGirl
@muddy: I’m really not sure, but I can speculate!
The first post I associate with you was about you doing guerrilla dog rescue, which I would never in a million years be brave enough to do.
This is as far as I got before my sister called just now with a computer problem. Will pick up again after the call.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
Awesome.
Warren kicked CosmoBoy in the nuts, and I find out Burnside is a fellow NNY.
D0n Camillo
@Felanius Kootea:
I hear they’re paying up to $20 a zinger now. Idiots will be rich beyond all his or her wildest dreams.
Anne Laurie
@Comrade Mary:
I screwed that up (as pointed out above). Brown voted to end Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, which the hardcore Christianists will hold against him. But it was typical of Brown’s “bipartisan” record — voting to end DADT in the first state to approve gay marriages was like voting in favor of puppies and cupcakes.
maya
@idiots: You were seeking an “insightful blog”? Well, here you go then.
Enjoy. And, if you look very, very closely you might be able to find a Unicorn in there, somewhere. Then you can shove the spike up your ass.
Comrade Mary
@WaterGirl: Thanks! I wasn’t watching, and I can now see that Anne Laurie’s made an edit to show “ending DADT” instead. Thanks, AL!
Davis X. Machina
@Anne Laurie: It’s the functional equivalent of Snowe and Collins voting for the Family and Medical Leave Act and against impeachment and opening ANWR for drilling.
And they’ve lived high politically off of that meager diet for years now — Collins continues to do so.
The man’s not a stupid politician, even if he’s a stupid man.
different-church-lady
I didn’t have the stomach to watch this so-called “debate” but I can tell you that I’ve gotten two bits of printed campaign material from Brown where he identifies himself as an INDEPENDENT (caps are his, not mine).
Brown is currently a known quality to Mass. voters. He can only hurt himself or hold his ground. Whereas the debates are Warren’s chance to sell herself to an attentive audience. I hope she’s doing well (since I can’t look) — you guys can tell me what you think in that sense.
SFAW
@1badbaba3:
And his little God, otoT?
Be that as it may: I, for one, consider myself properly chastised by “idiots,” so much so that I will have to rethink my entire ethos – nay, my raison d’etre – and if found wanting (vis-a-vis the perfectly reasonable standard set by “idiots”), my honor (such as it is) will require me to commit seppuku. And it would only be right to ask “idiots” to be kaishakunin.
So, all you motherfuckers leave “idiots” ALLOOOOONE!
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
The Market Basket at the Woburn Mall, also too.
Judas Escargot, Acerbic Prophet of the Mighty Potato God
@Soonergrunt:
Just can’t trust those herring-choker bastids.
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: I don’t know why so many people find the Commonwealth having sent that bozo to Washington in the first place so very surprising….
SFAW
@Davis X. Machina:
Because all Massholes are soshulists, and would never send a right-thinking ‘Murican to the Senate?
James E. Powell
@Davis X. Machina:
I also think that once someone can convince the press/media to call him moderate or bi-partisan, he can live off of it for years. How meager was the evidence that McCain was a ‘maverick’ and how long has the press/media called him that?
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
Because we’re not talibangelical culture warriors, so the rest of the country thinks we’re tolerant. But, there is the leftover Reagan Democrat t-bone eating young buck strain from the Irish/Italian immigrant wave that assimilated, but don’t want to “pay for those other people”.
WaterGirl
@muddy: Okay, computer problem solved and my sister is happy. Picking up where I left off…
I looked for the thread where you talked about guerrilla dog rescue, and I see a comment in there: “I work with my hands and do not have slim fingers!” By the time I finished reading that paragraph, my image of you had formed as male.
So… thinking you were a guy, I thought you were especially interesting when you posted because you seemed to have a different perspective on things than a more typical male would. Which, of course, makes perfect sense now that I know you are female. :-)
Does any of that make any sense?
WaterGirl
@JPL: I love your reply to the idiot.
the Conster
@the Conster:
Also, as a caveat to Brown’s election, that January special election was just after the third Democratic Speaker of the House in a row was just indicted and Diane Wilkerson caught stuffing cash into her bra, so everyone was fed up with Democrats right then. It was a perfect storm of Brown’s dogged campaigning, his looks and that fucking truck, his great ads, Coakley’s absence, diffidence and missteps, and the election held on a snowy Tuesday in January with the energy with the challenger.
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: There are days visiting my brother in wildest interior Plymouth County when the only evidence that I’m not back in North Carolina is the lack of widely available Mr. Pibb and Goody’s Powder.
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
Where do they go to the beach?
WaterGirl
@muddy: Also, if forced to pick a gender for “muddy”, I would probably choose male over female. It may just be that simple.
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: White Horse. Where else?
muddy
@WaterGirl: Ah, yes, thank you. I’m a potter, and do a lot of other work with my hands, I guess that’s why they are burly (that’s not pretty, dear!). No one else in my family has hands like this.
There are some pottery pics here (tho mostly it’s the dog)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mudpix/page3/
SIA
@muddy: Nice work! And LOVE the puppy in the pool.
RedKitten
@idiots:
And yet, even without swearing, you manage to write a post that is utterly devoid of intelligence (not to mention the fact that it is also devoid of proper sentence structure and correct punctuation). So not only are you stupid, but you’re boring as well. Congratulations.
muddy
@WaterGirl: I am always happy when I am muddy. I become one with the mud.
muddy
@SIA: Thank you! There is an espresso mug on one of the other pages, I make them mug-like, but tiny. The dog is Sawyer, named after the character on Lost, as he is blond with black whiskers. He will be 2 tomorrow! Puppy party!
PurpleGirl
@muddy: Your animals are really neat.
The pottery is great. I love the glazed plate and the surface texturing on the bowl and utensil jug. Do you sell your work?
SFAW
@WaterGirl:
Fixed, so as not to disappoint “idiots.”
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
Driving the F250 out on Duxbury?
C Bun
@Cindra: Word!
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: Yep. Gotta go shopping at the big Walmart at 44 and Rte 3 on the way home… Southie to Swamp Yankee in two generations.
muddy
@PurpleGirl: The waving lines on the that red ware are meant to invoke mountains. I do sell it, but not online. I also used to do a line that had celtic knotwork carved into it in black patterns on bare clay outside, black glaze on the inside. I don’t have any pics of that right now. I did it for a long time when no one seemed to know what the word “knotwork”meant, then it became ubiquitous, so I left off. It was awfully labor intensive anyway.
WaterGirl
@muddy: I am the exact opposite! (mud-wise, that is).
Dirt, I’m okay with. Mud, I want to wash off immediately.
Although in college, we did make a movie called something like “The Mud People vs. The Freaks”, which was pretty fun. I wonder if anyone still has that movie…
I like the textures on your pots. Loved all your photos, really, especially the dogs and the outdoor scenes, and your captions!
NewHavenGuy
@Comrade Mary: It was the DADT repeal vote that pissed off the Right. Misstatement corrected in orig. post. Easy to flip those acronyms whilst liveblogging.
WaterGirl
Does anyone local know the politics of PolicyMic
http://www.policymic.com/articles/15635/warren-vs-brown-debate-live-polls-show-warren-up-ahead-of-monday-showdown
Yutsano
@Soonergrunt: Feux toi aussi marpon. :)
opie jeanne
@WaterGirl: Thanks.
Now I’m trying to find out about this law license nonsense.
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
I live in Frank Sargent and Leverett Saltonstall’s neck of the woods. I’m not a Brahmin, but I can see them from my house. I actually prefer the Sears, Peabodys, Cabots and Saltonstalls to the Tierneys, Lynches, Finnerans and DiMasis.
NewHavenGuy
@JPL: Aqua-something and the other guy seem like a standard good-cop/bad-cop AFP trolling operation. They pay people for this. They should pay higher wages or something, because the quality of this trollery is pathetic.(Aqua-something and the Freeper’s, not JPL to be clear.)
That’s not Megan McArdle playing sock puppet up there, is it? Not that it’s hard to find…uh, “talent” on that level, but Aqua Lady’s bullshit smells real familiar.
‘Responded’ to this post instead of directly so as to feed the trolls less, at least.
muddy
@WaterGirl: Thank you, always so gratifying when people like your babies (clay babies, fur babies etc). I should put more recent pics up.
ETA: mud and dirt are fine, but not stickiness.
opie jeanne
@idiots:
What are you, 12?
Of course we vote. We also pay taxes, and some of us have earned more in our lifetimes than you will ever see. Trailer trash indeed.
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: NASCAR put its NE outpost in Laconia, NH because Kingston — or Carver, or Middleborough — refused planning permission, is my theory.
SFAW
@Davis X. Machina:
Well, it’s not as if Carver has the same drawing power as Winnipesaukee.
WaterGirl
@opie jeanne:
First I’ve heard of that… what’s that about?
the Conster
@opie jeanne:
Here’s what you’re looking for, I think.
WaterGirl
@muddy: Post a link after you put up more pics.
I am a big fan of the “i need water” photo.
PeakVT
@WaterGirl: I’m not local but from scanning the headlines the site appears to be basically liberal, though it is putting some effort into looking balanced. YMMV.
NewHavenGuy
@NewHavenGuy: Misinterpretation or two on my part; out of context some of the commentary fit RW messaging about Warren creepily well.
Apologies for doubting anyone’s good faith here without good reason to do so. To paraphrase a bad line from a worse movie, sometimes I’m kind of a big asshole. Apology meant quite sincerely.
WaterGirl
@PeakVT: Well, whoever they are, the live blogger is no fan of Fluffy!
Davis X. Machina
@the Conster: My parents retired to a condo in Hingham, where the Great back into the Good in the parking lot at Stop and Shop.
She’s still laughing. After all those years shopping at the Bargain Center in Quincy Center, and Roxie‘s, she’s now one of Brian McGrory’s ‘Hingham Ladies’
the Conster
@Davis X. Machina:
Ha ha. Brian McGrory’s rants against Hingham is one of my most favorite things evah. Weymouth v. Hingham makes Palestine v. Israel look like schoolyard taunts.
Hingham: pretending to be Cohasset since 1635
opie jeanne
@JPL: I’m with WaterGirl, I love your reply to this idiot.
Another Halocene Human
@the Conster: Thirded. There’s so much to hate there… the $100million commuter rail subway they’re now bitching about, the very serious concerns about crime and traffic with HfH built one house…
TheMightyTrowel
@the Conster: Christ. I grew up in Dedham and I had no clue about any of that. Ha. How funny – we just tried to pretend we were, you know, ACTUALLY from Boston.
Ash Can
@idiots: This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen on this blog. :)
Another Halocene Human
@idiots: Hunh. Guess yer not from BAWWWWWSTON. We fucking drop f-bombs every other work. Fuck. Seriously? Get the fuck owwwwt.
Eta: I mean every other word. at work also, too. I’m drunk, so sue me. YANKEES SUUUUUUUCK.
Another Halocene Human
@Anne Laurie: No, I mean I went to their website since it placed high in the google. Big mistake.
Another Halocene Human
@TheMightyTrowel: Well, I guess if you’re from Dedham, you would…
lolol…
(Yeah, I’m from Newton. Dedham redlined and it didn’t result in anything positive. Newton got rid of its historical African-American neighborhood in a passive-aggressive way by running the MassTurnpike through it… but we didn’t flip out when Blacks started moving back in, so … winning?)
Another Halocene Human
@the Conster: Ugh, Lynch. Fuck that guy.
As an Ethnic-Ex-Catholic-American I am disturbed by your remarks, but if the shoes fits…
(((hating self now)))
Another Halocene Human
@Davis X. Machina: AAAAAAAAAA, no, not the Christmas Tree Shops, stuff of my nightmares! (imagine more ! here, because FYWP will delete them) eleventy billion and two!
Another Halocene Human
@weaselone: I loved Elizabeth’s smile during that whole thing. First “watch him flub this” then “ooo, that’s gonna hurt,” then the gleeful “keep talking Scotty, nothing I say at this point even matters, you have just lost the moment/morning/week”.
that was the facial expression of sweet, sweet Schadenfreude